Up (Pixar 2009)

Started by The Butlin Boy, June 08, 2007, 06:17:39 PM

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CentralPlazaPerson

#105
Quote from: "RnRCj"It also left me with a load of questions about things that didn't make sense: Where did all the balloons come from? How did Russel get on the porch? Where did all the dogs comes from? Why was it that Mr F. could barely walk at the start of the movie, yet by the end he was performing death-defying stunts?

I have to agree with you on that one but the movie is mostly aimed at kids..it doesn't all have to make sense  :P

-breeno-

#106
RnRCj, i'm afraid i'm going to have to disagree with you about something again, because i seen Up not that long ago and it was AWESOME!!

I honestly think you walked into the wrong cinema room when you went to see this movie.  I loved this movie.  I didn't find any of the characters dull, i loved all of them, especially Carl, to me he's one of Pixar's finest characters.  He can be related to in so many ways.

Also, to what you said about all the unanswered questions, it's a Disney movie!!  These things don't need answers, that's one of the beautys of Disney, like the parks they're made for you to have fun and enjoy yourself, not to have a think-fest.  If you're going to question the stuff in Up then why don't you question why toys can talk, bugs can talk, fish can talk, rats can talk, cars are living things, monsters come from another world via the wardrobe, the existance of super heroes and in the future no one will live on the Earth ;)

I loved Up, i can honestly say it went way past my expectations and is officially my 2nd favourite Pixar movie of all time.  The only reason it's not number 1 is because of Toy Story (it's an unwritten law for me, no Pixar movie will ever beat Toy Story, ever).  If TS never existed then we'd be looking at my all time favourite Pixar movie.  I loved it that much =D>
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RnRCj

#107
Quote from: "-breeno-"If you're going to question the stuff in Up then why don't you question why toys can talk, bugs can talk, fish can talk, rats can talk, cars are living things, monsters come from another world via the wardrobe, the existance of super heroes and in the future no one will live on the Earth ;)
I knew someone would come back with that argument, haha. Those are all completely different situations and do actually make sense. I've got no problem with things being unrealistic because they are animated movies, but the things in Up left me confused. How could hundreds of balloons just appear from nowhere? How could a boy just appear on a porch? Is he a ghost?

I didn't like Carl at all. He's a boring, dull, character with no personality.

peep

#108
Carl is boring, dull and has no personality? Yeah, I think Breeno is right, you saw a different film.

I think I remember Russel mentioning at one point that he was hiding under something trying to find the bird. Balloons, don't know where they come from but seriously, who cares? I know I don't (there is an even bigger continuity error in Zombieland), it was just a very very enjoyable film (I haven't even seen one bad official review).
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-breeno-

#109
I'll stick these in spoilers just incase i slip out a plot line or two ;)

Quote from: "RnRCj"How could hundreds of balloons just appear from nowhere? How could a boy just appear on a porch? Is he a ghost?
[spoiler:1o03rsh8]Question 1: Carl's old job was a selling balloons in a zoo so maybe he had a few 1000 balloons just lying about the house, or perhaps a friend that still worked at the zoo that owed him a favour.
Question 2: Maybe Russell was still searching for this "Snipe", and was just out of the camera's sight when he hopped onto the porch to look for it?
Question 3: No, he's a Wilderness Explorer.
;) :mrgreen:[/spoiler:1o03rsh8]

QuoteI didn't like Carl at all. He's a boring, dull, character with no personality.
[spoiler:1o03rsh8]I think the main reason i love Carl is because i see so much of me in him.  Like me he is a very shy and quiet person, we know this from the very start of the movie when he first meets Ellie, this quietness will of course carry on throughout his life (i've been quiet and shy for 15 years and i can't see myself stopping any time soon).

Also i see a perfectly good reason why he is "boring" and "dull", he's just lost his wife, from what we know the only person who understood him and shared his passion for exploration.  After something like that happens it's pretty obvious he's won't want to talk to many people for too long, hense why he lets out a big rant at Russell and Dug, all this came too much too soon for him.  I've seen it happen before in real life, when someone (particually an older person) loses the love of their life the whole world comes crashing down.  I'm a type of guy who likes to keep himself to himself, i'd much rather stay in the house that go out partying or clubing or something.  I could honestly see myself becoming a Carl when i'm old, especially if someone very close to me passes away and i have nothing left.

To me Carl represents all the people who are either shy and quiet, have lost someone they love or someone who has a dream and is yet to achieve it, and i'm nearly all of those things.[/spoiler:1o03rsh8]
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Captain Pan

#110
Well as the forum's dedicated Pixarian/Pixar Planeteer I need to correct questions you have risen... most of which would have been answered if you actually payed attention to the movie...

Where did all the balloons come from?
As breeno has said... [spoiler:ki7p794e]Carl sold Balloons at the Zoo... When Carl returns from the Court House and starts packing as Ellie's "Adventure Book" Drops you can clearly see boxes with Balloons in them[/spoiler:ki7p794e]

How did Russel get on the porch?
As breeno has said... [spoiler:ki7p794e]Russell was looking for the snipe: Actual lines: "I found the snipe, and I flollowed it under your porch, but this snipe had a long tail, and looked more like a large mouse!"[/spoiler:ki7p794e]

Where did all the dogs comes from?
Basic Science tell you that dogs breed [spoiler:ki7p794e]look at the credits[/spoiler:ki7p794e] and in the opening [spoiler:ki7p794e]the television broadcast shows them and Muntz explaining his love on the canine companionship[/spoiler:ki7p794e]

Why was it that Mr F. could barely walk at the start of the movie, yet by the end he was performing death-defying stunts?
Simple word... Adrenaline

Quit bashing an animated film for being unrealsitic. The entire point of animated films is to send audiences to places they can't go, questioning the logical aspects of a work of fiction is just being overly critical. In short, It's a movie. It doesn't have to make sense everywhere.

Up is an excellent feature flm and is well worth my 18 month wait and 5 months of torture! It's Pixar's most emotive feature there is, and those who fail to see the emotion in the movie need their heart checked for a beat, they're temperature and then the colour!

RnRCj

#111
Hmmm... I'm not going to force myself to like a film if I didn't feel I enjoyed it. I didn't leave the cinema with a big grin on my face like I usually do with Pixar movies. It wasn't bad (I've seen loads of much worse movies), just nothing special and not up (excuse the pun) to the usual Pixar standard.

Quote from: "-breeno-"I think the main reason i love Carl is because i see so much of me in him.........
I'm quiet and shy too. In fact going by what you just said you are very similar to me in personality. But I didn't find Carl interesting or loveable at all. What is the point in having someone with hardly any personality as the main character of a movie?

They made it work in Finding Nemo: Marlin lost Coral, yet he was still a great character.

Quote from: "Captain Pan"Well as the forum's dedicated Pixarian/Pixar Planeteer I need to correct questions you have risen... most of which would have been answered if you actually payed attention to the movie...
Well I'm very sorry that I may not have a memory efficient enough to be able to recollect every last second of the movie.

Quote from: "Captain Pan"Where did all the balloons come from?
As breeno has said... [spoiler:261f8r74]Carl sold Balloons at the Zoo... When Carl returns from the Court House and starts packing as Ellie's "Adventure Book" Drops you can clearly see boxes with Balloons in them[/spoiler:261f8r74]
That's not what I meant. I didn't understand how the balloons actually came out of the house. They just rose from nowhere.

Quote from: "Captain Pan"How did Russel get on the porch?
As breeno has said... [spoiler:261f8r74]Russell was looking for the snipe: Actual lines: "I found the snipe, and I flollowed it under your porch, but this snipe had a long tail, and looked more like a large mouse!"[/spoiler:261f8r74]
I didn't see him under the porch... and how could he get under the porch anyway and take off with the house??

Quote from: "Captain Pan"Where did all the dogs comes from?
Basic Science tell you that dogs breed [spoiler:261f8r74]look at the credits[/spoiler:261f8r74] and in the opening [spoiler:261f8r74]the television broadcast shows them and Muntz explaining his love on the canine companionship[/spoiler:261f8r74]
Ah, well I must have missed that part. Sorry!

Quote from: "Captain Pan"Why was it that Mr F. could barely walk at the start of the movie, yet by the end he was performing death-defying stunts?
Simple word... Adrenaline
So he struggled to get out of bed at the start of the movie, yet by the end he was able to:
[spoiler:261f8r74]climb a ladder upside down thousands of feet in the air?[/spoiler:261f8r74]
It's a poorly planned storyline. That's what it is.

Quote from: "Captain Pan"Quit bashing an animated film for being unrealsitic. The entire point of animated films is to send audiences to places they can't go, questioning the logical aspects of a work of fiction is just being overly critical. In short, It's a movie. It doesn't have to make sense everywhere.
As I said, I know that animated films don't have to be realistic. That's what I love about them, and is one reason why I've liked every Pixar film until now. But in this instance you're using it as an excuse for weak areas in the plot.

I was disappointed with the movie. You're not going to change that.

And for what it's worth, I was actually extremely excited about the film. I didn't going into the cinema wanting to criticize it at all. I had been counting down to it's release for weeks. Heck, if I wasn't excited and optimistic about it I wouldn't have seen it on the first day of it's release here!

RnRCj

#112
I forgot to mention that I thought the first few minutes of the movie were good too (the whole story of Carl meeting Ellie and their life). It just went steeply downhill after that. Fortunately it got a bit better at at the end. But the whole middle part... I could've fallen asleep and asked someone to wake me up at the end.

The Butlin Boy

#113
Well I've just come back from seeing it. It gets 2 thumbs UP from me. It is such an UPlifting film; it really UPpealed to me. There really is no stUPping Pixar, they once again come UP with a fantastic film, keeping UP their flawless reputation (you really have to look UP to them don't you?). But still, UP yours America for getting it 5 months before us (although the film did make UP for it)! :roll:

I'm sorry, all of that was all a bit stUPid wasn't it?! :P

But seriously, it was a really great film, and I'd fully recommend it :)

No-one's been talking about the animated short Partly Cloudy that was shown before the film though. Why not? That was fantastic too :mrgreen:

RnRCj

#114
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Well I've just come back from seeing it. It gets 2 thumbs UP from me. It is such an UPlifting film; it really UPpealed to me. There really is no stUPping Pixar, they once again come UP with a fantastic film, keeping UP their flawless reputation (you really have to look UP to them don't you?). But still, UP yours America for getting it 5 months before us (although the film did make UP for it)! :roll:

I'm sorry, all of that was all a bit stUPid wasn't it?! :P
Haha, it's actually really hard to avoid puns when talking about this film, isn't it?! :lol:

Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"No-one's been talking about the animated short Partly Cloudy that was shown before the film though. Why not? That was fantastic too :mrgreen:
Oh yes! I loved that! Thought it was one of the better shorts.

CentralPlazaPerson

#115
I thought that was part of the film at the start and partly cloudy was some sort of production team or something like that but then I remembered ahh Pixar do shorts before their movies.. ](*,)  #-o  :lol:
Partly Cloudy was excellent in my opinion! :)

Clarebelle

#116
up was a fantastic film definetly one of pixar's finest carl and russel are great but who couldn't love dug.

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Masamune

#117
:D I absolutely loved it. My fave Disney/Pixar movie of all time is Wall-E, but I think Up might just have it beat. I don't think I've ever laughed and cried so much during one film. I loved all the characters, I loved the story, I loved how it looked...I just loved everything about it! :P I want to see it again like NOW.

Anthony

#118
Odeon appear to be giving away a free (and properly boxed) copy of the Pixar Short Films Collection when you're buying three or more tickets. I'd have been happy, except they (or Disney?) chose to miss Partly Cloudy off the film! I paid to see the new film, not buy the old ones! I've got a sneaking suspicion they did it to make the film fit into a 2hr slot and get in more screenings, since there were very few trailers too. Needless to say emails will be sent, haha.

So...

Emotive, as Captain Pan said. I completely agree with that. John Lasseter just said a perfect Walt Disney quote on the Southbank Show special on ITV (hopefully it'll be online, looked like a great programme): "For every laugh, there should be a tear."

UP gets it spot on in every way. Masamune has just posted the exact same thing, but I also don't think I've laughed so much at a Pixar film before, or come so close to tears (Monsters Inc quote: "Keep it together man!!"). And not at the opening montage which has been mentioned in a lot of reviews either -- I'm a sucker for the happier emotional scenes. It also has so much fantastic action, real edge-of-your-seat stuff, as the house flies here there and everywhere and just scrapes past the rocks.

Carl is one of the most interesting movie characters I've seen in years. Fascinating, different, wonderfully designed and funny too (fruit juice in the petrol tank?!). As much personality as any character they've created so far. A real classic. Kevin and Dug are hilariously designed and acted just as expected, and Russell is in fact incredibly sweet - there was me scared he'd come across a bit whiny. Loved every second with them.

I might have to watch the opening again to appreciate it a bit more, it felt slightly too "choppy", even if it was having to put across a lot of information, and as far as negative comments go, I didn't particularly like....
[spoiler:2jweqhfa]the packs of dogs. Maybe there's some thinking behind it, but their slightly photo-real style seemed to clash a bit with everything else, like they'd just wandered in from The Wild or a DreamWorks film, whilst everything around them was very stylised. Or maybe it was just because Dug was so damn cute.[/spoiler:2jweqhfa]
But airships, adventure, South America, a flying house, a Movietone newsreel... in the words of cliché poster quotes, "It has everything!". It was also a truly excellent film for Pixar's first 3D feature. The whole thing looked stunning.

Big spoilers begin here...

[spoiler:2jweqhfa]But I also liked how they didn't create some rainbow fantasy world out of Paradise Falls. It looked beautiful, but also somewhat boring. You could sort of tell it was coming, but Carl didn't feel much when he got there. A lot of the locations and backgrounds are very understated, but it works. It's not about them.

I'd have expected nothing of the sort from Pixar, but I liked that it didn't look down on people for not having these great wild adventures. It'd have been easy to make a film basically saying "why don't you get out more?", showing these characters having adventures and ho-ho having fantastically exciting lives 24/7, but it didn't. Russell said something like "it's usually the boring things you remember the most". The ending, counting cars on a curb, was perfect.

And yes, if anyone ever wants to make me cry (in a happy way), play the scene where Carl touches the words "going to do..." only for the page to flip over and it all to be filled in with everything they did do.

For emotion, just the single image of Ellie sitting the garden after the bad news was perfectly played.[/spoiler:2jweqhfa]
The dirge in the trailers before the film just makes it look even more amazing. Aliens this and hip talking animals that... Some of the themes in UP are things even a dark and serious director would think twice about touching, let alone a family film studio in the first five minutes. Congratulations once again to Pixar for challenging everything and being bloody entertaining at the same time.

I'll be watching this film for decades to come.
...

TowMater

#119
My school was selling UP postcards last week so I brought all four of them who were Carl, Russel, Dug and Kevin.

They look quite good espically Kevin.
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