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[CentralPlazaPerson]

I was looking through youtube and came across this.. pretty interesting
[youtube:3mu5w78c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_tUCuCPIk[/youtube:3mu5w78c]

[Kristof]

An article about SDL was posted on the Shangai Daily website today:

SHANGHAI has taken a step closer to its Disneyland dream.

The Pudong New Area government has almost completed resident relocations for the city's Disneyland project.

The land for the theme park is expected to be handed over at the end of next month when construction will begin.

About 99 percent of residents living in the 3.9-square-kilometer area planned for the Disneyland project have been relocated, a month ahead of schedule.

Construction of apartments specially for residents relocated due to the project began over the weekend and are expected to be ready for occupancy by August 2012.

More than 2,000 households and 297 enterprises at the site of the planned theme park will eventually be relocated.

The new residential site is in Pudong's Chuansha Town.

The residential project, which covers 324,000 square meters, will have more than 6,500 apartments, according to Pudong's Urban Construction and Communications Commission.

The high-end residential apartments will be equipped with kindergartens, elementary schools and middle schools as well as activity centers for senior citizens, according to district officials.

Last month, Pudong New Area Director Jiang Liang said more than 97 percent of negotiations with property owners were completed.

The Disneyland park will cover about 1.16 square kilometers, while facilities like parking lots and dining areas will take up to 2.74 square kilometers.

Jiang said it may take five or six years for the park to be opened to the public.

A branch route of Metro Line 11, which is now under construction, will link to Disneyland from Longyang Road. Building of the Metroline started in late Marchand is expected to be finished in 2012.

It will connect Longyang Road with Lingang New City, located in the former Nanhui District.

Shanghai announced last November that it gained central government approval for the Disneyland project.

The first phase of the theme-park project has been estimated to cost about 25 billion yuan (US$3.66 billion).

Source

[TimmyTimmyTimmy]

An article about SDL was posted on the Shangai Daily website today:

SHANGHAI has taken a step closer to its Disneyland dream.

The Pudong New Area government has almost completed resident relocations for the city's Disneyland project.

The land for the theme park is expected to be handed over at the end of next month when construction will begin.

About 99 percent of residents living in the 3.9-square-kilometer area planned for the Disneyland project have been relocated, a month ahead of schedule.

Construction of apartments specially for residents relocated due to the project began over the weekend and are expected to be ready for occupancy by August 2012.

More than 2,000 households and 297 enterprises at the site of the planned theme park will eventually be relocated.

The new residential site is in Pudong's Chuansha Town.

The residential project, which covers 324,000 square meters, will have more than 6,500 apartments, according to Pudong's Urban Construction and Communications Commission.

The high-end residential apartments will be equipped with kindergartens, elementary schools and middle schools as well as activity centers for senior citizens, according to district officials.

Last month, Pudong New Area Director Jiang Liang said more than 97 percent of negotiations with property owners were completed.

The Disneyland park will cover about 1.16 square kilometers, while facilities like parking lots and dining areas will take up to 2.74 square kilometers.

Jiang said it may take five or six years for the park to be opened to the public.

A branch route of Metro Line 11, which is now under construction, will link to Disneyland from Longyang Road. Building of the Metroline started in late Marchand is expected to be finished in 2012.

It will connect Longyang Road with Lingang New City, located in the former Nanhui District.

Shanghai announced last November that it gained central government approval for the Disneyland project.

The first phase of the theme-park project has been estimated to cost about 25 billion yuan (US$3.66 billion).

Source

How big will Shanghai Disneyland be if compared to DLP? 1.16 square kilometers sounds like a fair size for a Disneyland park and has to be bigger than HKDL.

[SM:M3]

DLP is 140 acres according to my guidebook and according to google 1.16 sq km is 286 acres. Personally that doesn't sound right when Disney themselves have said this will be smaller than HKDL. Perhaps they're not going for hub and spoke and this will make it bigger?

[TimmyTimmyTimmy]

DLP is 140 acres according to my guidebook and according to google 1.16 sq km is 286 acres. Personally that doesn't sound right when Disney themselves have said this will be smaller than HKDL. Perhaps they're not going for hub and spoke and this will make it bigger?

Has Disney really said anything about Shanghai Disneyland?

[SM:M3]

Yeah, it was Rasulo or Iger in a video about HKDL's expansion

[DopeyDad]

Could the figure refer to estates such as Hotels etc as well as the Mk?

[SM:M3]

DopeyDad that is more likely, but so many different sizes have been reported, from 6 sq km to smaller than HKDL, no one can be at all sure. I wonder when the first concepts will come out?

EDIT: The whole site is 116 hectares according to the Chinese government/planning commission, see the video below;
[youtube:2been2t0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_tUCuCPIk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2been2t0]

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[dagobert]

I'm still not sure about the Shanghai project. I do understand TWDC to build a park there, because China is indeed a very big market, but I'm not sure if it already is. I mean going to Disney is expensive and I think it will also be expensive to go there in China. So I'm not sure if many Chinese people can afford going to Disney.

The next thing that bothers me is the size. One source tells that it will be the biggest Disneyland ever built and another says, that it will be the smallest. I think that if TWDC is going to build it, it should be bigger than in HK but smaller than Paris for the opening and TWDC should make sure that they will own the majority in the park. Otherwise it will take months to make decisions, like it happened with HKDL with the expansion last year.

Maybe it is to early for a second Disney park in China, but I think TWDC wants to buy the land as long as it is cheap to be ready for the future.

Nevertheless I think Disney should also invest in DLRP,too, because Europe is still one of the biggest markets for the company.

[TimmyTimmyTimmy]

I'm still not sure about the Shanghai project. I do understand TWDC to build a park there, because China is indeed a very big market, but I'm not sure if it already is. I mean going to Disney is expensive and I think it will also be expensive to go there in China. So I'm not sure if many Chinese people can afford going to Disney.

The next thing that bothers me is the size. One source tells that it will be the biggest Disneyland ever built and another says, that it will be the smallest. I think that if TWDC is going to build it, it should be bigger than in HK but smaller than Paris for the opening and TWDC should make sure that they will own the majority in the park. Otherwise it will take months to make decisions, like it happened with HKDL with the expansion last year.

Maybe it is to early for a second Disney park in China, but I think TWDC wants to buy the land as long as it is cheap to be ready for the future.

Nevertheless I think Disney should also invest in DLRP,too, because Europe is still one of the biggest markets for the company.

China is the worlds biggest market. It is getting stronger and stronger. If Disney builds a good big park without focus on Dumbo, Jungle Cruise, Astro Blasters and other rides we have seen a million times before or just rides based on a theme that the people of Chine haven´t heard about it will be a great investment. It has been proved that the chinese don´t care at all about the boring things they have built in Hong Kong Disneyland. China and India is where most of the people on this planet live. Even if alot of them are very poor there are more than enough rich to keep 2 or even 3 Disney Resorts going if made well. Today Hong Kong has a Disneyland, not China. Alot of people don´t see Hong Kong as part of China.
Disney would be stupid not to build another Disneyland in China. But the will be even more stupid if they build the same park once again.

[dagobert]

I do know that Hong Kong is part of China again, since 1998 or so.

I'm also afraid that Disney is going to build a traditional Disneyland Park again. In my opinion there is nothing wrong to focus on the traditional Magic Kingdom, but Disney shouldn't just copy existing rides. I don't think that the Chinese will have any problems with the the existing Disney attractions found in the parks, but Disney could reinvent these rides like they did in Paris with Space Mountain. WDI could also implement new technologies like they did with the Pooh ride at TDL, or with the PM/HM at HKDL.

[TimmyTimmyTimmy]

I do know that Hong Kong is part of China again, since 1998 or so.

I'm also afraid that Disney is going to build a traditional Disneyland Park again. In my opinion there is nothing wrong to focus on the traditional Magic Kingdom, but Disney shouldn't just copy existing rides. I don't think that the Chinese will have any problems with the the existing Disney attractions found in the parks, but Disney could reinvent these rides like they did in Paris with Space Mountain. WDI could also implement new technologies like they did with the Pooh ride at TDL, or with the PM/HM at HKDL.

...and we also know that the people in mainland China don´t have the same culture, the same way of being as the people in Hong Kong. Hong Kong has its own government. You even need to apply for a visa to go to China, but not to Hong Kong, atleast not the same way. Hong Kong even has it´s own flag. China and Hong Kong are in reality not the same. ...and a Disneyland in Shanghai would be the first real aim towards the main population of mainland China.

I also think they need to reinvent the rides. But Disney need to set aside all the princesses and dumbos in China. They are simply not well known there. ...and HKDL has proved that the old storys and rides are simply not enough to make it in China.
 But I am sure we will see Dumbo flying over Shanghai Disneyland and I am sure that Space Mountain will be almost the same as in Hong Kong... and so on.
Disney will either reinvent Disneyland as a brand just for mainland China or they will struggle like they are at the moment in Hong Kong.

[montaguewarner]

Hong kong still has a lot of remnants of English culture there! As disney said, HK is targeted towards english speakers too, whereas Shanghai would not be aimed towards english speakers in ANY way!

[DopeyDad]

mmm, can't really see Disney reinventing itself as a brand, that's the heart of their commodity. Without brand they are just a cartoon and film production company. It would seem to make more sense to take the Disney brand to Shanghai and only expose themselves financially to the extent they believe the market can support whilst allowing for future growth. Which looks like their plan if it is a small initial park. Changing the brand for the park would be a backwards way of looking at things and lose their ability to tie in the rest of the brand.

[TimmyTimmyTimmy]

mmm, can't really see Disney reinventing itself as a brand, that's the heart of their commodity. Without brand they are just a cartoon and film production company. It would seem to make more sense to take the Disney brand to Shanghai and only expose themselves financially to the extent they believe the market can support whilst allowing for future growth. Which looks like their plan if it is a small initial park. Changing the brand for the park would be a backwards way of looking at things and lose their ability to tie in the rest of the brand.

When I wanted to buy tickets for HKDL they told me: "Don´t go there, it´s sooo small, Ocean Park is bigger and has more rides"
Ocean Park has more visitors than HKDL... and it is an aweful park that should have been renovated years ago.
If they build the same park once again but smaller Shanghai Disneyland will suffer just like Hong Kong Disneyland is doing. Not even people involved with the travel industry in China and Hong Kong can recomend tourists to go to Hong Kong Disneyland. It worked once or twice... but another not so Magic Kingdom will only hurt Disney... bigtime. Word of mouth spreads in China. It killed attendence in Hong Kong.