Another Asian park is in the make, Shanghai Disneyland, 4 times the size of Hong Kong Disneyland!!!
QuoteThe planned Shanghai park will cover an area of 6 square kilometres, four times the size of Disney's Hong Kong park, Wen Wei Po reported on Friday.
Disney will provide technology and capital for a 51-percent stake in a joint venture with Shanghai's government-backed Lujiazui Group company, which will contribute land near the Pudong International Airport, the newspaper said.
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You're kidding! :shock:
They really have to stop!!!
Yes! Enough is enough, I think now with Hong Kong, they've got all they need. The more Disneylands they build, the less special they become. And not only the new ones are less special - the current ones are made less special as well, since they're so heavily copied.
I think the major problem here is that this area already seems to have enough Disney. HK and Tokyo Disney resorts aren't *that* far away... I feel the only reason why Hong Kong and Shanghai are being built is because of the success of Tokyo. Notice how they won't EVER (in my opinion) build another park in Europe. In some ways I hope HK isn't a success, since then they'll stop building new resorts. For us, as DLRP fans, imagine if they built another resort somewhere in Europe! Even if DLRP was very successful, it would still seem VERY stupid and would be weird to have the two resorts so close.
I hope something can happen to make them change their minds... though I doubt it will. :(
Shanghai Disneyland i will be there :D
Shangai Disneyland seems to be confirmed now!
QuoteWalt Disney Co. plans to open a Disney theme park in Shanghai in 2012, the Hong Kong Economic Times reports.
Citing sources, the report said Disney and the Shanghai government reached an agreement to begin construction of China's second Disneyland in 2008, with a completion date of 2012.
The sources said the park will be four times bigger than Hong Kong's Disneyland, scheduled to open September 12.
However, it is unclear whether the plan will receive regulatory approval from China's central government, according to the newspaper.
The first group of Disney's U.S.-based theme park designers and planners currently in Hong Kong will be moving to Shanghai for preparation of the park, which is expected to begin in mid-2006, the newspaper said.
Disney has said that the company won't rule out the possibility of opening another theme park in China after 2010.
http://www.mickeynews.com/News/DisplayP ... _E_815Park (http://www.mickeynews.com/News/DisplayPressRelease.asp_Q_id_E_815Park)
Stop!!! Stop!!! Stop!!!
They really should stop! :(
Disney chairman says company considering Shanghai park
The Walt Disney Co. is in talks with the Chinese government to open a Disneyland theme park in Shanghai, company chairman George Mitchell told the China Daily newspaper over the weekend.
"Our discussions have been with Shanghai officials, and now they are engaging with the national officials," Mitchell was quoted as saying by the China Daily in Beijing Saturday. "We have an interest in proceeding and we hope that satisfactory terms can be worked out and we can proceed."
Burbank's Disney had said previously that it was in talks with Shanghai authorities about building a park in the city, but that no agreement had been reached.
Mitchell also told the paper he does not think a Shanghai park would hurt Hong Kong Disneyland that opened in September, because of the large number of people in the area. He told the paper that there has been very careful analysis by both Disney (NYSE: DIS) and Chinese government officials.
from http://www.mickeynews.com (http://www.mickeynews.com)
Quote from: "Mickeynews.com"Authorities in Shanghai have started preparing a site for the proposed Disneyland, the second in China after Hong Kong, the Xinhua-run China Securities Journal said Wednesday.
The government of Chuansha town in the Pudong New District, where the Disney theme park is planned, had set up a special office for the relocation of residents on the site.
The Shanghai Disneyland was expected to open in 2010, when the city hosts the World Expo, the report said.
The first phase would occupy an area of 4.25 square km, expanding to eight to 10 square km in the second phase.
Shanghai, China's economic and financial center, is keen to have a Disneyland to ward off domestic competitors and add to its appeal as an international metropolis.
Though Shanghai lost out to Hong Kong in competing for the first park in China, it kept up its campaign to woo Disney.
Robert Iger, Disney's chief executive officer, was reported as saying in March that the Shanghai Disneyland would be 3.7 times larger than its Hong Kong counterpart and would cost 30 billion yuan (3.8 billion U.S. dollars) to build.
On March 15, a spokesperson for the municipal government confirmed that the city had proposed the park to the central government.
Disney chairman George Mitchell was quoted in June as saying Shanghai was awaiting approval of its proposal so the park could be completed before the World Expo.
Disney opened its Hong Kong park in September 2005. It is expected to create 18,400 jobs and boost the island's gross domestic product by six percent.
I'm not that bothered about having *another* Disneyland now... Hong Kong didn't affect things much, and it's likely this wouldn't affect any of the western resorts either. If there's still a good enough market for it, then eh why not. Six Disney resorts seems quite excessive, but then I suppose everything about Disney is excess.
I just hope they make this one more exciting and original than Hong Kong. That park was soooo unbelievably boring. Remember the buzz everywhere when Euro Disney opened? They'd really tried to do something special. In Hong Kong, they didn't really try at all and the whole planning/construction/opening was very boring to follow, even for a big Disney fan like me.
i do hope though it will have far more and different attractions
What a soap opera :lol:
Quote from: "mickeynews"Shanghai claimed on Friday that there does not exist any residents relocation plan for the construction of the Disney theme park.
The government source with the Chuansha Township of the city's Pudong New District denied to have seen "any so-called layout blueprint" and said they have never received any instruction from the higher authorities concerning the relocating of residents.
Earlier reports said the Disney theme park in Shanghai will be located in Chuansha and the government of the township already began relocating local residents.
There would not be any development whatsoever as to the Disney theme park in Shanghai before the Chinese government has approved the project, said the township government.
Building a Park on mainland China is more a matter of when than if.
If the United States can support two Resorts with 200 million people, I think China, with over a billion residents, can afford to have two in the region.
Yes, Tokyo isn't that far away, but it's rather difficult for residents of China to get permission to leave the mainland.
--Mark
Hasnt been a post here for more than one year and now we here more news !
From Disneytheque; Was in french translates on Google Translate
QuoteAbandoned at the end of 2005, the proposed Disneyland in Shanghai is finally relaunched and even already on track. The second Disney park in China will be located in the suburbs of Shanghai, in the district of Chuansha (district of Nanhui) and is expected to occupy an area of 6 km2, or 4.7 times the size of the park in Hong Kong.
Sign Project: expropriations began, and the access roads and public transport are being finalized to allow access almost directly from 50 cities in the delta region of the Yangtse. According to a representative of the Economic Committee of Nanhui District, "local authorities have received the green light from central government." Sesame essential and who had failed between 2002 and 2005, a period of discussions between Disney and the authorities in Shanghai.
Source : China Daily
Well, it's to far away for me.
Quote from: "WaltDisneyFanBoy"Well, it's to far away for me.
stop making these pointless posts. This is your final warning.
Shanghai to resume building Disneyland theme park after 2010 - report
December 02, 2007: 11:35 PM EST
Dec. 2, 2007 (Thomson Financial delivered by Newstex) --
BEIJING (XFN-ASIA) - Shanghai will resume building its Disneyland (NYSE:DCQ) (NYSE:DIS) theme park after 2010, the China Business Journal reported citing sources.
A source was quoted as saying that total investment in the projected theme park will also increase to 40 bln yuan from the previous 30 bln yuan.
The park is expected to be located on Chongming island instead of the original plan to build it in Shanghai's Chuansha district, the source said.
The Disneyland them park project was suspended due in part to fallout from the Shanghai pension fund scandal last year.
Found this on screamscape yesterday.
Quote from: "Haz"The park is expected to be located on Chongming island instead of the original plan to build it in Shanghai's Chuansha district, the source said.
According to the German Wikipedia entry about Chongming (//http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongming), Shanghai wants to develop this Yangtze River island with an emphasize on ecology, sustainability - and tourism... So it sounds logically that they are looking into having a resort destination there...
2010 now... hehe... this is almost getting funny, 'then they build, then they don't...'
As for the idea: I hope their not getting like Starbucks: one Disney resort around every corner! :P
Allthough it sounds that 3 Disney resorts in Asia is a 'tad' much (since Disney is not an Asian company) I also think for the amount of inhabitants and looking at the surface between the Resorts this may be fine though... then again I wonder what will happen to Hong Kong Disneyland with its already low attendance, for the people situated in the middle of HKD and Shanghai... hmm..oh anyway, I guess it will be a while before the Resort gets built... or won't it? :twisted:
From Coaster Force;
QuoteDisneyland Shanghai - Moving Forward?
Submitted By: Hyde244
Published: February 24th 2008
While Disney continues efforts to help improve their Hong Kong Disneyland, opened in 2005 and in short has yet to live up to expectations, word has spread on the construction of a second Disneyland in Shanghai.
The Shanghai Securities Journal cited an unknown source in saying the theme park is due to be built in the southern outskirts of Shanghai's Pudong district and has already received needed government approvals.
However Walt Disney Co.'s spokeswoman in Asia, Alannah Hall-Smith denied the report, and maintains that "There is no agreement and there is no deal."
Hall-Smith reiterated that Disney has been discussing various initiatives in China for years, including theme parks, community programs and business operations.
From IHT;
QuoteA long-anticipated plan to build a Disney theme park in Shanghai is likely to move ahead soon, a state-run newspaper said Friday, though the company denied the report.
The Shanghai Securities Journal, citing an unnamed official, said the park is due to be built in the southern outskirts of Shanghai's Pudong district and has already received needed government approvals.
"In the past it was all speculation, this time it's for real!" the paper said.
However, Walt Disney Co.'s spokeswoman in Asia, Alannah Hall-Smith denied the report.
"There is no agreement and there is no deal," Hall-Smith said.
She reiterated that Disney has been discussing various initiatives in China for years, including theme parks, community programs and business operations.
"China is an important market for (Disney)," she said.
The company, which has set up offices in a sleek new Shanghai commercial complex, has repeatedly emphasized that for now it is focusing on developing its Hong Kong theme park, which opened in 2005 but has not lived up to expectations.
The report lifted shares in Shanghai-based property companies Friday, analysts said, despite the local market's overall weakness.
According to cctv.com, a local Chinese news source, the Shanghai mayor has officially sent an application to the Chinese government for a Disneyland park to be built in the city. If this is true, it means Disneyland Shanghai is getting closer to being built, though that point in time is still a good amount of time away.
Latest news;
QuoteSome news draft of Shanghai Disney Resort. It seems confirmed that the Chinese government has indeed given its approval for the construction of this resort. Covering an area equal to 5 times that of Hong Kong, work could begin in 2010 and last for 3 years.
I think its a bit selfish and risky to build another theme park in china because they already have one park and its failing, another park could be just as bad or worse. Hows about give a grant to australia or india who are not in close distance to a disney park ! :idea:
Source;//http://www.disneytheque.com/index.php?/archives/12-Shangha-Disneyland.html
Jim Hill wrote an article this week about a forthcoming announcement in September.
Highlights from the article:
Quote[...]$3.8 billion project (with its three hotels as well as the largest Magic Kingdom in the world) could be open for business as early as 2012
QuoteShanghai Disneyland will be the most Pixar-centric theme park on the planet.
Quote[...]according to a preliminary listing of rides, shows and attractions that have been proposed for this park (Which are -- of course -- subject to change between now and this project's 2012 opening date), Woody, Jessie and Bullseye will ride herd on Frontierland while Shanghai Disneyland's Autopia will serve as the centerpiece of a brand-new "Cars" -themed part of this park.
QuoteCaptain Jack Sparrow will stagger around a Pirates-centric version of Adventureland while Rapunzel & her tower will ... Well, tower over Fantasyland.
Read the full article
here (//http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2008/07/15/look-for-mickey-to-get-shanghai-ed-come-september.aspx).
Though I moaned a little when you told me this news, it's nice to see they seem to be creating a brand new and unique Castle design for this park, finally.
Le Chateau is safe once again. :mrgreen:
I was going to moan about them having the biggest magic kingdom park and nocking ours down to 2nd..
But like it matters, when ever i tell people that dlrp has the biggest magic kingdom in the world, they tell me "NO! WDW is!". They just cant get it into there heads that im not on about the resort im on about the magic kingdom park itself :?
Seems like a cool idea with a new castle but i dont like the idea of themeing there autopia to cars, where would they put it without it having the be its on land like in DCA :?:
Dear all, I'm from Shanghai. Actually, there is no update information from government.
Maybe it is not the right time to discuss this project during Olympic Game.
And I do believe both Chinese Governemtn and Disney only wants to make more money.
But they really can get much from local people.
Yes, it is still difficult to get visa of foreign coutries for most of the people here (from contry side), they had to come to big cities to look for FUN.
e.g. The population for Shanghai is almost 2,0 M, 1/3 are from other provinces/countries. And still increasing.
Actually, there are lot of opportunities here. :^o
maybe you've already got some update information, below is from one of my friend.
Shanghai Disneyland will be the biggest Disney resort (Magic Kingdom) in the world, total 600 hektares (HK Disneyland is the smallest one, total 200 hektares).
Local government will also build a railway to connect 50 cities among East China. It can send the tourists to Disneyland directly.
Walt Disney will provide the technology support and obsorb 51% of the construction cost. Could be finished on 2012.
Shanghai will focus on the actors in Pixar Movies. The movice Rapunzel will also be a new sight in the land.
Bob Masterson (chairman of certain committee) said they have done the research enough to build 3 theme parks, they won't make any mistake. It will make money in long term. They also built many theme parks in China, India and Korea.
Theme
HK Disneyland: copy CA Disneyland with 43 years history
Shanghai Disneyland: have more new games, include the new movie which will only be shown on 2010.
Main Actors
HK Disneyland: traditional actors, Mickey Mouse, Dun Duck...etc.
Shanghai Disneyland: New actors, Buzz Lightyear.
Seems it could be true.
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "WaltDisneyFanBoy"Well, it's to far away for me.
stop making these pointless posts. This is your final warning.
Well, this is only just talking, right?
:P I only see someone's opinion...
But anyways, They truly have to stop.
I also think, that just like Anthony said the one in that continent wouldn't be that special anymore.
And Disneylands/worlds/kingdoms should be in special places, far away from eachother.
At least, that's my opinion...
Quote from: "MSW"Well, this is only just talking, right?
:P I only see someone's opinion...
MSW, WaltDisneyBoy has received numerous warnings from me, Anthony and Patrick in the past for making off topic comments like these (yes, I can quote them). Besides, that warning was made on 03 Dec 2007. There's no need to bring this back up, unless this is yet another way to bring me in a bad daylight? :wink:
Now back on topic to Shangai Disneyland... :D :mrgreen:
An official announcement for the Shangai Disneyland project seems to be coming closer and closer now.
Here's an article by Reuters today:
Quote from: "Reuters"SHANGHAI, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Walt Disney Co (DIS.N) has completed talks with the Shanghai government on plans to build a Disneyland theme park in the city and the project will be announced soon, the official Shanghai Securities News reported on Thursday, citing people close to the talks.
Senior Disney executives came to Shanghai last December to discuss details of cooperation with the local government and the two sides achieved a consensus on the project, the newspaper said.
The project, however, has yet to receive approval from China's central government, which will be essential if it is to go ahead.
A spokeswoman for the Shanghai government declined to comment. A Disney representative in Hong Kong could not immediately be reached for comment.
The plan calls for Shanghai Disneyland to open to the public in 2013, the newspaper said, citing an expert involved in the feasibility study for the project.
Disney has engaged in on-again, off-again talks for more than a decade with the Chinese government over plans to build a large theme park and hotel complex in the southern outskirts of Shanghai's Pudong district.
Those talks were stalled by a Shanghai government scandal in 2006 and Disney's need to focus on Hong Kong Disneyland, which opened in 2005 to a string of operational problems and lacklustre attendance.
The Shanghai Securities News also said Shanghai Lujiazui Group and Shanghai Waigaoqiao Group would take part in the construction of the project.
Shares in their listed units Shanghai Lujiazui Finance & Trade Zone Development Co (600663.SS) and Shanghai Wai Gaoqiao Free Trade Zone Development Co (600648.SS) rose their 10 percent daily limits in morning trade on Thursday, although by the end of the morning session Shanghai Lujiazui Development had pared its gains to about 4.6 percent. (Reporting by Samuel Shen; Editing by Edmund Klamann)
Source (//http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSSHA30269920090108)
Let's hope its more Tokyo Disney Resort than Hong Kong Disney Resort.
I've just noticed the Associated Press are reporting that Disney have confirmed the project.
QuoteLOS ANGELES (AP) — The Walt Disney Co. said Friday that it was going to submit a plan to build a new theme park in China in a joint venture with the Shanghai government.
The family entertainment giant released a statement confirming its plans at about the same time as The Wall Street Journal released a story on its Web site that said Disney was working with Shanghai to build a $3.59 billion park to open as early as 2014.
A Disney spokesman declined to comment on the Journal story.
"Discussions have been ongoing about the feasibility of a theme park project in China," said Leslie Goodman, a spokeswoman for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, in the statement.
"As part of this lengthy process, we worked on a joint application report with the Shanghai government which will be submitted to the central government for review. No deal has been signed, no project has been approved."
Disney shares were down 35 cents, or 1.5 percent, at $22.55 in Friday afternoon trade.
The Journal said Disney planned to take a 43 percent stake in Shanghai Disneyland, while a holding company owned by the local government would own 57 percent, citing unnamed sources.
The first phase of the project, on about 1.5 square kilometers near Shanghai's Pudong International Airport, would include a theme park, plus a hotel and shopping development and would be built over six years, the paper said.
Another Disney resort?
I think there's too many already. The only Disney resorts that should ever had existed are DLR, TDL, and DLRP in my opinion.
Why can't they improve what they've already got before starting over? It's as if they're bored with the other resorts and want to do something else.
Anyhow, since this looks like it's confirmed, I hope it all goes well and produces a park as good as DLP was at opening.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Another Disney resort?
I think there's too many already. The only Disney resorts that should ever had existed are DLR, TDL, and DLRP in my opinion.
Why only these three locations and not the other two (soon three)?
According to leemac on the LaughingPlace boards, the new Shanghai resort should be operational by September, 2014.
Quote from: "experiment627"Quote from: "RnRCj"Another Disney resort?
I think there's too many already. The only Disney resorts that should ever had existed are DLR, TDL, and DLRP in my opinion.
Why only these three locations and not the other two (soon three)?
In my opinion WDW is too close to DLR, and HKDL is too close to TDL. Then putting Shanghai Disneyland pretty much right in between TDL and HKDL, it's just crazy. :roll:
DLR for people of North and South America, DLRP for people of Europe, and TDL for people of Asia and Australia... that's how I think it should be. Too many Disney resorts will make them lose some of the magic.
That's what I think anyway. :wink:
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "experiment627"Quote from: "RnRCj"Another Disney resort?
I think there's too many already. The only Disney resorts that should ever had existed are DLR, TDL, and DLRP in my opinion.
Why only these three locations and not the other two (soon three)?
In my opinion WDW is too close to DLR, and HKDL is too close to TDL. Then putting Shanghai Disneyland pretty much right in between TDL and HKDL, it's just crazy. :roll:
Well, how about looking at it from this point of view: one Disney resort for half a billion people in Europe, two for 1 billion people in China. Sounds fair to me.
As someone who grew up in the 80's when Disney was so far, far away I'm thrilled for all those children, young and old, who might have never experienced Disney magic if it wasn't for Disneyland Shanghai...
I was probably as against this as any fan when it was first rumoured, but now I've got to admit it makes sense. It's the WDW to Hong Kong's Disneyland. Hong Kong and its surroundings can probably support a Disneyland all of its own whilst everyone else will be drawn to the larger resort. The only problem perhaps being that they're simply going to have opened too close (time-wise) to each other. And that in the US, the model works because DLR has the magic of its history. HKDL doesn't have that, even if it has the same miniature castle.
If they open Shanghai too soon, Hong Kong might struggle. If they wait too long, they might miss the boom.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Why can't they improve what they've already got before starting over? It's as if they're bored with the other resorts and want to do something else.
Well you know, with the billion-dollar DCA expansion, several attractions at WDW, Monsters Inc and more at TDR, possibly 3 new lands at HKDL and possibly Toy Story Playland, Ratatouille, The Little Mermaid, hotel and Disney Village expansion at DLRP, I don't think they're bored.
In fact, a whole new resort (especially one they're aiming to be WDW-esque) is probably a brilliant opportunity to try out a whole load of new ideas, themes, attractions and technologies which will then filter back to the old resorts.
Quote from: "Anthony"If they open Shanghai too soon, Hong Kong might struggle. If they wait too long, they might miss the boom.
Agreed, too long and the ship has sailed. However I think that, thankfully, they've now passed the "too soon" barrier for Hong Kong. If Shanghai does open in 2014, then Hong Kong will be 9, so it should be further down the line of being more established by then.
Jim Hill Media hints today how changed SDL will look & feel compared to the other existing parks...
Quote from: "Jim Hill Media"proposed theme park, hotel & shopping center
Quote from: "Jim Hill Media"this all-new version of the Magic Kingdom will be the largest ever (in sheer land size, anyway). More importantly, that the park itself will feature several noticable departures from the look & layout that one normally associates with a Disneyland-type theme park
Quote from: "Jim Hill Media"You want a hint of what Shanghai Disneyland will look like? Well ... Though these plans will most likely change in the coming months, Main Street U.S.A., Tomorrowland and Frontierland are the parts of this proposed theme park that will most likely be reimagined. Taking into consideration The Walt Disney Company's main objective for this mainland China project (i.e. get the country's 290 million consumers under the age of 14 to really connect with the Disney / Pixar characters), you should expect SDL to have a far toonier take on America's past & future.
Source (//http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2009/01/12/monday-mouse-watch-shanghai-disneyland-begins-its-approval-process.aspx)
Suppose it makes sense in a way. Main St USA will probably end up as Tiananmen Square or something to that affect :? Hopefully they find a nice balance between the 2
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "experiment627"Quote from: "RnRCj"Another Disney resort?
I think there's too many already. The only Disney resorts that should ever had existed are DLR, TDL, and DLRP in my opinion.
Why only these three locations and not the other two (soon three)?
In my opinion WDW is too close to DLR
But it's the only Disney
World and due to its size and number of attractions (including water parks) it's unique to the world. Disneyland and Walt Disney World were both planned by the master Walt Disney, so it's ok that there are 2 Resorts in America. And the company is from the USA, so there should be the largest Resort.
But I agree with the rest although I write it a little different:
There should have only been built one Disney Resort per continent outside of America.
Tokyo, Paris, anywhere in Australia and maybe someday in Capetown.
All that's going on in Asia now is making Disney less unique (like Planet Hollywood, Hard Rock Cafe or Rainforest Cafe) and even the quality of the rides doesn't reach the high standards from the "western world". And there are not many rides in Hong Kong Disneyland.
Generelly I think Disney shouldn't build Resorts in countries that cannot really be compared with democrazies. At least Hong Kong is a liberal corner in China.
Hm. "Democracy" is an interesting term as well - how about Universal Studios Singapore? Is that still acceptable? Or is Singapore already too much of a one-party democracy?
In any case, suggesting to build a Disney resort in Australia or South Africa is quite esoteric, I'm afraid. They're struggling to attract the numbers in Hong Kong, and it's only slowly getting better in Paris. Shanghai is a bit of a gamble because of the potentially unstable economic and political situation in China, but at least there's a huge number of potential visitors. I can't think of any potential region with a similar amount of footfall that Disney hasn't already exploited.
I think that as a company, they should focus on getting HKDL up to scratch before planning more Asian parks, but that's just my opinion. There's so much that needs to be done to HKDL to make it a decent park, I feel like it still needs to earn its "Disneyland" name. I've not been, and would love to go one day, but would not consider going until more has been done there to make it worth my while (& money!).
What about a park for the continent of Africa? TDL and HKDL for Asia and Oceania, DLRP for Europe and DLR and WDW for North and South America.
No one is mentioning and are forgetting African fans of Disney. I suggest South Africa or possibly Egypt (no excuse for no Splash Mountain because of bad weather :wink:)
I also found this, supposedly the plans for Shanghai. This is probably not true.
(//http://usathemeparks.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shanghai_disney.jpg)
Quote from: "CentralPlazaPerson"I also found this, supposedly the plans for Shanghai. This is probably not true. http://usathemeparks.files.wordpress.co ... disney.jpg (http://usathemeparks.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shanghai_disney.jpg)
Here's the link where CentralPlazaPerson found that photo:
http://usathemeparks.wordpress.com/2009 ... hai-china/ (http://usathemeparks.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/disney-coming-to-shanghai-china/)
It's probably some Dubai project
I seriously doubt this is the shanghai DL model (or hope it is not). There is a normal outdoor steel roller coaster, and that sort of move has no room in the DIsney Canon.
Also no castle ... at least I don't see any but I do see what looks like Phantom Manor!!! :shock: It is beside the bottom patch of water on the right.
There is no magic in this!!!
I am not sure if these images bare any truth, most things on the net seme to be lies.
Here is a simple layout plan showing where Disneyland willl be built:
//http://www.trueif.com/blog/post/33.html
http://www.trueif.com/blog/upload/Shang ... land_1.jpg (http://www.trueif.com/blog/upload/Shanghai_Disneyland_1.jpg)
(//http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/loaloauk/Shanghai_Disneyland_1.jpg)
very interesting! :-k
What's that....about £5 billion...........mickey is getting very expensive tastes these days :-k
The park could end up massive if they spend the cash in a good way. Building in China is cheap.
It's hard to tell if these are official or not. For all we know it could have been a kid with some felt tips drawing over his father's map.
Take a look at this...
(//http://www.gregpro-artist.com/wp-content/gallery/projects/birdseye.jpg)
It's on the following website http://www.gregpro-artist.com (http://www.gregpro-artist.com) , he's the guy that did the Magic Kingdom Fantasyland expansion painting.
Hmmm :-k
I don't think that these are real plans - sry.
I think it looks like a "MS Paint" work. I can do that a 100% better...
And I don't think that a 5 billion project can't afford a proper plan...
;)
Even Disney & More blog had the picture up a few days ago (long time after this forum), so atleast for now this all there really is on the new park. True or not? only time will tell:)
Released a few minutes ago.
THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY REACHES ANOTHER MAJOR MILESTONE ON SHANGHAI THEME PARK PROJECT
BURBANK, Calif. – November 3, 2009 – The Walt Disney Company today announced that the Project Application Report (PAR) for a Disney theme park in the Pudong district of Shanghai has received approval from the relevant authorities of the central government of China.
"China is one of the most dynamic, exciting and important countries in the world, and this approval marks a very significant milestone for The Walt Disney Company in mainland China," said Robert A. Iger, president and CEO of The Walt Disney Company.
The PAR approval will enable Disney and its Shanghai partners to move forward toward a final agreement to build and operate the park and begin preliminary development work. Upon completion of the final agreement, the project's initial phase would include a Magic Kingdom-style theme park with characteristics tailored to the Shanghai region and other amenities consistent with Disney's destination resorts worldwide.
Having just returned from China earlier this year before finishing in MKHK.. Hong Kong is fine but I just hope and pray that this does not happen..
Believe me its one park I won't be going to, things must be bad in the boardroom if your making deals with China..
Quote from: "ightenhill"Having just returned from China earlier this year before finishing in MKHK.. Hong Kong is fine but I just hope and pray that this does not happen..
Believe me its one park I won't be going to, things must be bad in the boardroom if your making deals with China..
Could you specify your opinion?
Why couldn't this work in China?
And why shouldn't Disney try to make some money from this big a country?
Maybe Disney should dramatically increase the quality of Hong Kong before building another park?
Quote from: "Willow"Maybe Disney should dramatically increase the quality of Hong Kong before building another park?
I agree with your point. Why open another park, when an existing one is so below standard?
Because if they spend time improving Hong Kong, they'll have missed their chance with Shanghai?
They've already announced a big expansion for Hong Kong. It's not like development there will stop because of Shanghai. Disneyland didn't stop when Walt Disney World opened, nor did it lose any popularity. There's room for both.
I just hope whoever Disney deal with in Shanghai they're less pissy than Hong Kong, so they can actually build what they want. In fact, I've not really been following this project much so far, so how do they intend to pay for/manage it? Will the government be so strongly involved again?
I would prefer that they put the $3.5 billion (in addition to the 3 new lands) into Hong Kong to make it into a truely world-class 2 park resort.
I've been trying to find the quote, but I cannot remember where I saw it, it will be something like a 60-40 split.
Quote from: "Anthony".
I just hope whoever Disney deal with in Shanghai they're less pissy than Hong Kong, so they can actually build what they want. In fact, I've not really been following this project much so far, so how do they intend to pay for/manage it? Will the government be so strongly involved again?
And there in lies the root of the problem in China.. They will want full control or nothing.. Toys will be thrown out prams before an inch of soil is turned over on this project..
I'm not too excited with the Shanghai project. I think a Disney resort in Australia would have been a better idea. Geography wise.
Here we go, the stories begin... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 273194.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Spirits-spook-plan-for-Disneyland-near-Shanghai/articleshow/5273194.cms)
Graves being dug up for Disneyland?
I wish they weren't building another Disney in that part of the world.
And building on graves or digging them up seems so wrong and werid!! :shock: That would be a park full of ghost stories!
I don't know if the natives comments against the park should be a major concern or even would be for Disney because the french natives were very against the paris park before it was built and for a while after and now they are probably glad of the money it brings to the country and the jobs it provides.
building on graves though really isn't a good idea, its also disrespectful. that article implies they won't mind when they see what a great magic kingdom they will get..which I don't think is relevant.
I think one in South America (Brazil?) or Africa (South Africa?) would be a good idea. Not another one in Asia.
Most persons in Sweden would never ever even think of going to Disneyland Paris even if they wanted to. Sweden is not poor. It is just too expensive in France and Disneyland. How on earth could a normal person living and working on mainland China afford to take the family to Tokyo Disney Resort? Even a visit to Hong Kong Disneyland by a mainlander is a stretch.
A park in Shanghai is natural part of an expansion plan by a company like Disney. It is a very smart move to build a park that aims at the one billion possible visitors in mainland. China is on the rize.
The bad thing is that Disney and co tend to rebuild the very same park over and over again.
Putting a park in Austrailia that practically is a piece of empty land in the middle of an ocean would be a waste. China is packed with people that could be customers at Disney, if Disney wakes up and realizes that a small world and a bunch of flying dumbos does not make people interested any more.
Disneyland in south africa?... let´s hope not.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Disneyland in south africa?... let´s hope not.
If your talking about people in China making long journeys to the parks what about the people at the bottom of the world like Australia or South Africa? How will they be able to experience Disney without travelling across the world?
Australians have Hong Kong Disneyland.
The people in Africa have other things on their minds than Disneyland. For those few that have the money... they can go to any Disneyland they want. But yes it is a bit far.
Disneylands are placed where there is alot people living and/or where tourists are guaranteed to show up. It wasn´t always like that.
China has over a billion possible park visitors. That is more than anywhere else on this planet.
The most logical next step to expand is in India. That is also a place where economy is growing and the population is over one billion.
Timmy's right. Shanghai makes sense to Disney as a global brand. Not to us as Western consumers. The world aint run from Washington and London anymore! More and more power is in the East. Also more money, and therefore more merch sales for The Walt Disney Company! Let's hope the put some originality into Shanghai. I'd love to see something completely different. But maybe I'm just hoping for too much! They'll do whatever sells!
...and Shanghai Disneyland will open earliest 2015-2016.
Do we already know that Shanghai disneyland will even be smaller than HongKongDL??? Found this on youtube...[youtube:2kc69bbd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqDmklKUp_U[/youtube:2kc69bbd]
Hong Kong Disneyland´s catch phrase is "the smallest place on earth"
...not relly but still... Disney´s signature nowdays is to build small and empty themeparks. WDS, HKDL and next up SDL
Thats a weird choice, i remember a few months back reading it was going to be the biggest !,Taking over DLP for being the biggest Disney Magic kingdom style park.
Im glad our resort will be keeping that record though :)
I was looking through youtube and came across this.. pretty interesting
[youtube:3mu5w78c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_tUCuCPIk[/youtube:3mu5w78c]
An article about SDL was posted on the Shangai Daily website today:
QuoteSHANGHAI has taken a step closer to its Disneyland dream.
The Pudong New Area government has almost completed resident relocations for the city's Disneyland project.
The land for the theme park is expected to be handed over at the end of next month when construction will begin.
About 99 percent of residents living in the 3.9-square-kilometer area planned for the Disneyland project have been relocated, a month ahead of schedule.
Construction of apartments specially for residents relocated due to the project began over the weekend and are expected to be ready for occupancy by August 2012.
More than 2,000 households and 297 enterprises at the site of the planned theme park will eventually be relocated.
The new residential site is in Pudong's Chuansha Town.
The residential project, which covers 324,000 square meters, will have more than 6,500 apartments, according to Pudong's Urban Construction and Communications Commission.
The high-end residential apartments will be equipped with kindergartens, elementary schools and middle schools as well as activity centers for senior citizens, according to district officials.
Last month, Pudong New Area Director Jiang Liang said more than 97 percent of negotiations with property owners were completed.
The Disneyland park will cover about 1.16 square kilometers, while facilities like parking lots and dining areas will take up to 2.74 square kilometers.
Jiang said it may take five or six years for the park to be opened to the public.
A branch route of Metro Line 11, which is now under construction, will link to Disneyland from Longyang Road. Building of the Metroline started in late Marchand is expected to be finished in 2012.
It will connect Longyang Road with Lingang New City, located in the former Nanhui District.
Shanghai announced last November that it gained central government approval for the Disneyland project.
The first phase of the theme-park project has been estimated to cost about 25 billion yuan (US$3.66 billion).
Source (//http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2010/201005/20100531/article_438685.htm)
Quote from: "Kristof"An article about SDL was posted on the Shangai Daily website today:
QuoteSHANGHAI has taken a step closer to its Disneyland dream.
The Pudong New Area government has almost completed resident relocations for the city's Disneyland project.
The land for the theme park is expected to be handed over at the end of next month when construction will begin.
About 99 percent of residents living in the 3.9-square-kilometer area planned for the Disneyland project have been relocated, a month ahead of schedule.
Construction of apartments specially for residents relocated due to the project began over the weekend and are expected to be ready for occupancy by August 2012.
More than 2,000 households and 297 enterprises at the site of the planned theme park will eventually be relocated.
The new residential site is in Pudong's Chuansha Town.
The residential project, which covers 324,000 square meters, will have more than 6,500 apartments, according to Pudong's Urban Construction and Communications Commission.
The high-end residential apartments will be equipped with kindergartens, elementary schools and middle schools as well as activity centers for senior citizens, according to district officials.
Last month, Pudong New Area Director Jiang Liang said more than 97 percent of negotiations with property owners were completed.
The Disneyland park will cover about 1.16 square kilometers, while facilities like parking lots and dining areas will take up to 2.74 square kilometers.
Jiang said it may take five or six years for the park to be opened to the public.
A branch route of Metro Line 11, which is now under construction, will link to Disneyland from Longyang Road. Building of the Metroline started in late Marchand is expected to be finished in 2012.
It will connect Longyang Road with Lingang New City, located in the former Nanhui District.
Shanghai announced last November that it gained central government approval for the Disneyland project.
The first phase of the theme-park project has been estimated to cost about 25 billion yuan (US$3.66 billion).
Source (//http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2010/201005/20100531/article_438685.htm)
How big will Shanghai Disneyland be if compared to DLP? 1.16 square kilometers sounds like a fair size for a Disneyland park and has to be bigger than HKDL.
DLP is 140 acres according to my guidebook and according to google 1.16 sq km is 286 acres. Personally that doesn't sound right when Disney themselves have said this will be smaller than HKDL. Perhaps they're not going for hub and spoke and this will make it bigger?
Quote from: "SM:M3"DLP is 140 acres according to my guidebook and according to google 1.16 sq km is 286 acres. Personally that doesn't sound right when Disney themselves have said this will be smaller than HKDL. Perhaps they're not going for hub and spoke and this will make it bigger?
Has Disney really said anything about Shanghai Disneyland?
Yeah, it was Rasulo or Iger in a video about HKDL's expansion
Could the figure refer to estates such as Hotels etc as well as the Mk?
DopeyDad that is more likely, but so many different sizes have been reported, from 6 sq km to smaller than HKDL, no one can be at all sure. I wonder when the first concepts will come out?
EDIT: The whole site is 116 hectares according to the Chinese government/planning commission, see the video below;
[youtube:2been2t0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_tUCuCPIk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2been2t0]
From the last page
I'm still not sure about the Shanghai project. I do understand TWDC to build a park there, because China is indeed a very big market, but I'm not sure if it already is. I mean going to Disney is expensive and I think it will also be expensive to go there in China. So I'm not sure if many Chinese people can afford going to Disney.
The next thing that bothers me is the size. One source tells that it will be the biggest Disneyland ever built and another says, that it will be the smallest. I think that if TWDC is going to build it, it should be bigger than in HK but smaller than Paris for the opening and TWDC should make sure that they will own the majority in the park. Otherwise it will take months to make decisions, like it happened with HKDL with the expansion last year.
Maybe it is to early for a second Disney park in China, but I think TWDC wants to buy the land as long as it is cheap to be ready for the future.
Nevertheless I think Disney should also invest in DLRP,too, because Europe is still one of the biggest markets for the company.
Quote from: "dagobert"I'm still not sure about the Shanghai project. I do understand TWDC to build a park there, because China is indeed a very big market, but I'm not sure if it already is. I mean going to Disney is expensive and I think it will also be expensive to go there in China. So I'm not sure if many Chinese people can afford going to Disney.
The next thing that bothers me is the size. One source tells that it will be the biggest Disneyland ever built and another says, that it will be the smallest. I think that if TWDC is going to build it, it should be bigger than in HK but smaller than Paris for the opening and TWDC should make sure that they will own the majority in the park. Otherwise it will take months to make decisions, like it happened with HKDL with the expansion last year.
Maybe it is to early for a second Disney park in China, but I think TWDC wants to buy the land as long as it is cheap to be ready for the future.
Nevertheless I think Disney should also invest in DLRP,too, because Europe is still one of the biggest markets for the company.
China is the worlds biggest market. It is getting stronger and stronger. If Disney builds a good big park without focus on Dumbo, Jungle Cruise, Astro Blasters and other rides we have seen a million times before or just rides based on a theme that the people of Chine haven´t heard about it will be a great investment. It has been proved that the chinese don´t care at all about the boring things they have built in Hong Kong Disneyland. China and India is where most of the people on this planet live. Even if alot of them are very poor there are more than enough rich to keep 2 or even 3 Disney Resorts going if made well. Today Hong Kong has a Disneyland, not China. Alot of people don´t see Hong Kong as part of China.
Disney would be stupid not to build another Disneyland in China. But the will be even more stupid if they build the same park once again.
I do know that Hong Kong is part of China again, since 1998 or so.
I'm also afraid that Disney is going to build a traditional Disneyland Park again. In my opinion there is nothing wrong to focus on the traditional Magic Kingdom, but Disney shouldn't just copy existing rides. I don't think that the Chinese will have any problems with the the existing Disney attractions found in the parks, but Disney could reinvent these rides like they did in Paris with Space Mountain. WDI could also implement new technologies like they did with the Pooh ride at TDL, or with the PM/HM at HKDL.
Quote from: "dagobert"I do know that Hong Kong is part of China again, since 1998 or so.
I'm also afraid that Disney is going to build a traditional Disneyland Park again. In my opinion there is nothing wrong to focus on the traditional Magic Kingdom, but Disney shouldn't just copy existing rides. I don't think that the Chinese will have any problems with the the existing Disney attractions found in the parks, but Disney could reinvent these rides like they did in Paris with Space Mountain. WDI could also implement new technologies like they did with the Pooh ride at TDL, or with the PM/HM at HKDL.
...and we also know that the people in mainland China don´t have the same culture, the same way of being as the people in Hong Kong. Hong Kong has its own government. You even need to apply for a visa to go to China, but not to Hong Kong, atleast not the same way. Hong Kong even has it´s own flag. China and Hong Kong are in reality not the same. ...and a Disneyland in Shanghai would be the first real aim towards the main population of mainland China.
I also think they need to reinvent the rides. But Disney need to set aside all the princesses and dumbos in China. They are simply not well known there. ...and HKDL has proved that the old storys and rides are simply not enough to make it in China.
But I am sure we will see Dumbo flying over Shanghai Disneyland and I am sure that Space Mountain will be almost the same as in Hong Kong... and so on.
Disney will either reinvent Disneyland as a brand just for mainland China or they will struggle like they are at the moment in Hong Kong.
Hong kong still has a lot of remnants of English culture there! As disney said, HK is targeted towards english speakers too, whereas Shanghai would not be aimed towards english speakers in ANY way!
mmm, can't really see Disney reinventing itself as a brand, that's the heart of their commodity. Without brand they are just a cartoon and film production company. It would seem to make more sense to take the Disney brand to Shanghai and only expose themselves financially to the extent they believe the market can support whilst allowing for future growth. Which looks like their plan if it is a small initial park. Changing the brand for the park would be a backwards way of looking at things and lose their ability to tie in the rest of the brand.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"mmm, can't really see Disney reinventing itself as a brand, that's the heart of their commodity. Without brand they are just a cartoon and film production company. It would seem to make more sense to take the Disney brand to Shanghai and only expose themselves financially to the extent they believe the market can support whilst allowing for future growth. Which looks like their plan if it is a small initial park. Changing the brand for the park would be a backwards way of looking at things and lose their ability to tie in the rest of the brand.
When I wanted to buy tickets for HKDL they told me: "Don´t go there, it´s sooo small, Ocean Park is bigger and has more rides"
Ocean Park has more visitors than HKDL... and it is an aweful park that should have been renovated years ago.
If they build the same park once again but smaller Shanghai Disneyland will suffer just like Hong Kong Disneyland is doing. Not even people involved with the travel industry in China and Hong Kong can recomend tourists to go to Hong Kong Disneyland. It worked once or twice... but another not so Magic Kingdom will only hurt Disney... bigtime. Word of mouth spreads in China. It killed attendence in Hong Kong.
Does HK Disney not make any money then?
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Does HK Disney not make any money then?
I'm not sure, but I think that HKDL isn't making any money at the moment. Maybe TimmyTimmyTimmy knows more.
I'm pretty sure HKDL has been making a loss ever since it opened! Heck DLP had a MUCH bigger construction cost as was making money within 3 years, 5 years down the line and this tiny park with its tiny cost is still losing money!
Hong Kong Disneyland is loosing alot of money each year. It just isn´t tempting enough for the people in the regions around Hong Kong to chose Disneyland over Ocean Park... yet. It has been claimed in a few places that expactations are that Disney will make alot of money from it´s Hong Kong park in about 5-10 years. Hong Kong is gearing up for the future of it´s tourism at the moment. New hotels and easier acces to tourist destinations are just a few things besides the expansion of Disneyland to make more people visit Hong Kong. I don´t know if it is true or not I guess time will tell. That is why this park will get 3 new lands. Just one or two new rides is not enough to get Hong Kong Disneyland on it´s feet. Meanwhile Ocean Park aswell is getting an expansion.
I really think everybody knows that they made two mistakes with this Disneyland: too small and too few rides. At the beginning the only rides in the park was Orbitron, Dumbo, Pooh, Cinderrella Carousel, Teacups, Jungle River Cruise and a cheap version of Space Mountain. Hong Kong Disneyland had many other attractions listed, but most of them where stuff that visitors just walked buy (photo ops).
As it is now Ocean Park is THE themepark in Hong Kong and that is a shame.
I would still tell anyone viseting Hong Kong to check out Disneyland. It is a nice park to just be in, and it is very cheap for being Disney. It has two great shows (Lion King and Golden Mickey´s) and even if Space Mountain is like a cheap version of the one in California it is great to able to ride it over and over. Hong Kong Disneyland is most of the time a very calm place compared to the packed streets of Hong Kong. In most pictures and videos the park almost semes close to empty.
This is Hong Kong how it looks any night of the week: http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=YcBiboe ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=YcBiboe3YTY&feature=related%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
and this is Hong Kong Disneyland during it´s Christmas season (when the park offers exclusive shows and changes for the season to draw bigger crowds): http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=IigZ-DI ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=IigZ-DI0cBg&feature=related%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;).
According to Screamscape.com and Business Week The Oriental Land Company may team up with TWDC to create the new Shanghai Disneyland.
I think that means that the best Disney themeparks will all be in Asia. I can imagine that with OLC behind the project, that the new DL will even be better and greater than DLP. Hopefully OLC will be the majority holder, because than they have higher influence and we can expect a great park. Otherwise Disney will build the park as cheap as possible including the greatest attraction, Toy Story Playland, ever created by WDI.
Maybe Disney should transfere the control of all their non-US parks to OLC.
Here are the links:
http://www.screamscape.com/html/shanghai_disneyland.htm (http://www.screamscape.com/html/shanghai_disneyland.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
The link to Business Week can be found in the article.
Disney does not know how to run a themepark anymore. WDS, the state DLP is in and the terrible Fantasyland expansion in WDW is proof of what being cheap can cause. They should let OLC run their parks. Disney can make up ideaass for rides and lands... but nothing else. OLC puts the D into Disneyland. By the way... DisneySEA is THE BEST themepark in the world. Disney as it is now would NEVER build another DisneySEA.
Let´s hope OLC builds the park in Shanghai. If they do it will be yet another reason to forget all about saving money for a trip to Disneyworld.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Disney does not know how to run a themepark anymore. WDS, the state DLP is in and the terrible Fantasyland expansion in WDW is proof of what being cheap can cause. They should let OLC run their parks. Disney can make up ideaass for rides and lands... but nothing else. OLC puts the D into Disneyland. By the way... DisneySEA is THE BEST themepark in the world. Disney as it is now would NEVER build another DisneySEA.
Let´s hope OLC builds the park in Shanghai. If they do it will be yet another reason to forget all about saving money for a trip to Disneyworld.
I agree to some degree, WDS was a combination of Disney costcutting and EuroDisney SCA, and they are at least starting major refurbs in DLP. However the MK expansion looks pathetic but Disney seem to run the Californian parks very well, yes the DCA makeover is because they got it wrong in the first place but Disneyland looks brilliant. The OLC do know how to run parks, and although TDS is the world's best, TDL is mainly a combination of DL in California and MK in Florida. Shanghai can't be another copy park of the American Kingdom's it has to be unique.
The Walt Disney Family Museum just tweeted this:
QuoteBruce Vaughn and Craig Russell just shared with us what's next for the Disney Parks! So exciting!
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Looks like DLP won't be the only park to have a BTM on an island.
Source: The Walt Disney Family Museum twitter via Clubd23.com
Looks very interesting, I want to see more! I hope there are some more detailed leaks soon [-o<
It looks like a traditional Disneyland park and the design has many similarities with DLP.
Quote from: "Kristof"Looks like DLP won't be the only park to have a BTM on an island.
Aaaawww. :(
It's quite hard to make out, but it looks almost as if they've combined Paris' Disneyland Park with Tokyo DisneySea - A combination of Disney's best Magic Kingdom and second gate parks... very interesting ;)
The back of Frontierland looks interesting - giant waterfalls or something? Almost like Western River Expedition. And is that a riverboat link with the hotels, right into the park?
It does look small though. They seem to want to do the same as with Hong Kong, have the railroad slightly within the park, going through the middle of lands, rather than right around the edge.
Do we know whose castle it'll be yet?
I doubt that land on the left really is a Frontierland. It does not look like a BTM on an island at all.
yes it does
:-" oh..no..it..doesn't
Quote from: "Aladar"yes it does
where is the coaster? waterfalls?
doubt it
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "Aladar"yes it does
where is the coaster? waterfalls?
doubt it
TimmyTimmyTimmy, are you being serious or joking? Honestly I'm confused :?
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "Aladar"yes it does
where is the coaster? waterfalls?
doubt it
How can you tell from that small, blurry image if that is a Frontierland Rollercoaster or something like a Pirateland log flume?
One can see the typical Fantasyland rides in Fantasyland. One can see cars on the parking lots, trains on the tracks,lights, small roads, trees... but that thing that alot of us think is BTM might not be BTM at all. There is no sign of anything on there looking like a coaster, and the mountain looks too small.
I´m pretty sure they painted it there just to fill up space and make the concept look better.
Why would a Frontierland have huge waterfalls?
It could be I am wrong. It´s just a blurry image. Perhaps the waterfalls will be there insted of geysers like in Paris.
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Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Why would a Frontierland have huge waterfalls?
Quote from: "Anthony"The back of Frontierland looks interesting - giant waterfalls or something? Almost like Western River Expedition.
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http://www.omniluxe.net/wyw/wre.htm (http://www.omniluxe.net/wyw/wre.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
I'm not saying they'll build Western River Expedition, but they might be inspired by the exterior.
According to Micechat Member WDW1974 and Lee MacDonald of Tales from the LP fanzine Shanghai Disneyland will not be built by WDI. Instead it will be outsourced like Universal is doing that with their parks.
http://micechat.com/forums/shanghai-dis ... d-wdi.html (http://micechat.com/forums/shanghai-disneyland/141708-shanghai-dl-outsourced-wdi.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Maybe this turns out great and Disney will create great attractions again and no Toy Story dressed carnival rides. You just have to take a look on Harry Potter in Florida. WDI of today is really far behind of Universal. The only thing they can do at the moment is creating stupid princess meet and greet areas in the new MK Fantasyland. On the other hand I'm very sorry if this rumour is true, because WDI is part of Disney since Walt.
I really hope that Bob Iger will get kicked out of the company soon, because he is destroying the Company like Michael Eisner did in his last years. Sadly there is no strong member of the Disney Family, like Roy E. was, left in the company.
We Disneyland fans that will go to Shanghai can only hope that an aweful place like TSPL with it´s stupid rides wont ever be built in this new Disneyland. Disney already had a bad start with HKDL. Another or even worse, a WDS would just kill Disney in Shanghai.
According to Screamscape.com and "The Theme Park Guy" construction will start soon.
The theme park guy has taken some pictures of the construction site:
http://www.thethemeparkguy.com/park/sha ... isneyland/ (http://www.thethemeparkguy.com/park/shanghai-disneyland/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
http://www.screamscape.com/html/shanghai_disneyland.htm (http://www.screamscape.com/html/shanghai_disneyland.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
I still can't belive that TWDC wants to be associated with relocation of people just to build a themepark. And the money for this park could be better used for Hong Kong and Paris to improve the quality in the already existing parks.
It's getting official:
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-201 ... 29397.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101104-729397.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
From Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A40DR20101105 (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A40DR20101105%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
(Reuters) - The Walt Disney Co (DIS.N) has signed an agreement with a Shanghai company for the establishment of a Disneyland theme park in the city, bringing its long-planned park in mainland China closer to fruition.
The deal was reached with Shanghai Shendi Group, which was specifically created for the development of the Disneyland project, the official Xinhua news agency said on Friday.
Disney confirmed the Xinhua statement and said it was still awaiting final approval from China's central government regarding the incorporation of the related joint venture companies and the completion of regulatory procedures.
"For quite some time, we have been involved in discussions with the Shanghai government about building a Disney theme park. We can confirm the statement from the Shanghai government that we have taken another step forward in the approval process," a Disney spokeswoman said in an emailed statement to Reuters.
Shanghai's Disneyland is expected to cover around 4 sq km and cost about 25 billion yuan ($3.75 billion), Xinhua said. Disney itself gave no further details.
It was not clear what the ownership structure of the park would be like, but state media reported last year that an investment company controlled by the Shanghai municipal government would own a majority stake in the park.
Disney received approval to build a Disney theme park in Shanghai a year ago, but discussions about the specifics have been ongoing and few details have been released publicly.
Disney has long sought to build in Shanghai, a wealthy city of about 20 million people that is ringed by the prosperous Yangtze River Delta, home to tens of millions more potential visitors.
It was less enthusiastic about building near Beijing, which has fewer large population centers in the immediate vicinity.
Disney's foray into the China market has been mixed so far, with its Hong Kong Disneyland park reporting a loss last year.
(Additional reporting by Sally Huang in Beijing; Editing by Jason Subler)
RandySavage over at Micechat.com has posted an interesting article from Beijing Reviews about Shanghai Disneyland:
http://micechat.com/forums/shanghai-dis ... eview.html (http://micechat.com/forums/shanghai-disneyland/146890-exciting-details-revealed-via-beijing-review.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
http://www.bjreview.com.cn/quotes/txt/2 ... 314762.htm (http://www.bjreview.com.cn/quotes/txt/2010-11/26/content_314762.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Here are some parts of the article:
The article says it will be the biggest Disneyland in the world ( 1.16 square km) and it will be built in three phases.
The first phase will focus on the theme of a Magic Kingdom and it will include five different theme areas.
Water will be one of the main features of the first phase of the Shanghai Disneyland. A 0.39-square-km lake will be built in the first phase, which will take up a sizeable proportion of the entire park. It will be used as a base for water recreation activities and transportation.
The construction will be divided into three phases. The first phase, including a nearly 1-square-km theme park area (1sqkm=250 acres), is to involve an investment about 25 billion yuan ($3.68 billion) and is planned for completion around 2014. After it opens, the number of tourists is expected to add up to 10 million every year, while the total tourists visiting the whole park will be 30 million annually, He said.
Maybe it will be a mix of a MK style park and Tokyo DisneySea. I really hope that it will not be another copy of a MK. This time it seems that Disney will do it right and they are not going to build a small park with just a few attractions.
Hopefully we will see some great attractions and not a bunch of carnival rides.
GOOD NEWS, although it can just be considered as a rumour, but according to Micechat.com member Ummmm, No, there will be no cheap TSPL in the new Shanghai DL. He seems to have some sources.
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According to Screamscape.com Shanghai Disneyland will feature at least two hotels:
According to the details listing for this job opening at Disney, they are looking for someone who will be involved with "the design, development, construction, and turnover phases of the two hotels associated with the Shanghai Disney Resort." So right from the Mouse's mouth... we now know there will be at least two official Disney Resort Hotels in the Shanghai Disney Resort when it opens.
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Today seems to be an exciting day for Disney Parks. First new plans for the Fantasyland expansion and now some news about the future Shanghai Disneyland.
According to disneyandmore.blogspot.com Shanghai official said that the new resort will include three parks when finished. The first will be a Magic Kingdom style park and the others could be EPCOT and Animal Kingdom.
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No Studios? That's telling.
I can't imagine a second Epcot. They probably need to define what the first one is before building a second.
According to Al Lutz of Micechat.com we can expect an official announcement of Shanghai Disneyland in April.
Editor's Note 2/4: The highly anticipated Shanghai Disneyland development, featuring a very kinetic park that will not look like any Disneyland you've ever seen, is finally nearing a public kickoff announcement. Disney is now sending over reinforcements from Anaheim and Burbank to the team already in Shanghai to prepare for a very big media announcement and official groundbreaking ceremony to be held on the property the first week of April. Disney's corporate media machine is pulling out all the stops for this big event to attract as much attention from Chinese citizens as possible. Mark your calendars for early April! - Al Lutz
http://micechat.com/forums/shanghai-dis ... 1056422062 (http://micechat.com/forums/shanghai-disneyland/149809-al-lutz-shanghai-disneyland.html#post1056422062%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
ICe101 over at Micechat.com hast posted a new concept art of Shanghai Disneyland. It was released at the investors conference.
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Credit goes to Jose Castillo.
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To be honest I can't recognize anything on that picture, except for fireworks and a mountain that looks a little bit like Mt. Prometheus at TDS.
Alain Littaye posted the new concept art picture with a higher resolution and he made some guesses about certain things.
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That's interesting, and a beautiful piece of artwork!
Looks to me as if that is a Pirates of the Carribean/Splash Mountain crossover! This park seems to focus very heavily on the idea of water, most of the places where a traditional land would be has a body of water winding through it. I can't wait to see how this progresses!
I may have missed it, does anyone know which Castle the park is getting? Ours it the only that doesn't have a twin at another park.. maybe it'll be the first copy?
Quote from: "Scissorsboi"That's interesting, and a beautiful piece of artwork!
Looks to me as if that is a Pirates of the Carribean/Splash Mountain crossover! This park seems to focus very heavily on the idea of water, most of the places where a traditional land would be has a body of water winding through it. I can't wait to see how this progresses!
I may have missed it, does anyone know which Castle the park is getting? Ours it the only that doesn't have a twin at another park.. maybe it'll be the first copy?
I think I've read on another forum, that Shanghai DL will receive its own unique castle, maybe based on the one seen in Tangled.
That POTC/Splash Mt. crossover was already envisioned for HKDL, but unfortunately it didn't get built.
It looks like where Main Street and Central Plaza would normaly be is a lake or river, intresting!
I can imagine that walking through a beautiful gardens area towards the Castle would be really magical! As if you're uncovering it for yourself. Even better if the Castle does end up as an original one which no one has seen before!
As for the Pirates/Splash ride, I'd love to see that happen! It almost looks like Shanghai will be the next Paris where the Imagineers go really Blue Sky on the project and come up with something beautifully realised!
Disney And More has posted a new article about Shanghei Disneyland.
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/ ... ed_08.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/03/shanghai-disneyland-blueprint-unveiled_08.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Here's an insteresting plan of the new Disney resort:
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It seems that Disney has planed to build four hotels. Hopefully they are not going to make the same mistake and build to many rooms, like the did in Paris.
I really like the layout, because it seems there will be two hotels with views over the new park and it looks like that one hotel will be at the entrance, like DLH in Paris and Mira Costa in Tokyo.
It's a good layout, but there doesn't seem to be much land. Maybe they learned from DLP not to buy too much off the bat.
However, it doesn't look as though driving into the park will be that exciting. It's amazing when you're driving into DLP and you can see the Disneyland Hotel in the distance.
Disney And More has posted a new map of Shanghai Disneyland. Actually it is just a colored version of the map above.
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According to Alain Littaye the blue square is a river that serves as the boarder of SHDL.
Where it says "commercial facilities", I'm assuming that's going to be their Disney Village. It's sticking out into the lake; it could be like a boardwalk or a pier.
Will there only ever be two parks in the future then? Doesn't seem to be much left for a third. I always thought Shanghai would turn into the Disney World of the East.
How big is this compared to say DLP? Would anyone be able to overlay the maps? :)
Anthony, it looks like the land could hold 3 or 4 parks potentially. All the white space with a dotted line are future phase development space. My understanding from a friend on the project is 3 parks are planned in the master plan, just like Paris' masterplan.
The plan shows four hotels. Do you think Disney will build all four? I mean HKDL has two and that's enough at the moment. I know that SHDL will be bigger and will offer more, but I still have my doubts that this resort will attract more people than HKDL.
In Europe Disney is known for decades and DLRP still hasn't enough visitors to earn money. I don't know how well known Disney is in China, but I think there is a possible chance that SHDL will be another failure, even if this park will have fantastic rides.
If they have a third theme park, it would have to be small. I'm guessing it's going to be a water park.
Look again, it is not much smaller than the one for the opening gate. Also bear in mind that DHS is 1/3rd the size of the Magic Kingdom, and WDSP is 1/4 of the size of DLP.
Since Disney purchased Marvel, I can imagine that SHDL will get a movie park where Marvel attractions could be built. Such a movie park will never be a s big as a Magic Kingdom style park.
According to Screamscape.com a Marvel land will not be featured in the new park. I hope this is true, because I think Marvel shouldn't be part of a Magic Kingdom style park, even if it has a completly new design. I don't mind to see Marvel based rides in a Studios park, but I'm also not sure about a whole Marvel park.
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i don't understand why marvel characters, that are from comics, should be into some kind of movie park. just nitpcking, but yet... ^__^'
Have you not seen the Spiderman movies, Xmen, Iron Man, Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra or indeed Ghost Rider? Also Thor and Captain America come out this year. They are all awesome movies.
In my original post i said "just nitpicking", but i spelled it horribly wrong cause i was way too drunk, sorry ^__^"
anyway, looking at marvel characters from that perspective, snow white, alice and peter pan should be in the studio, then. The point is that it would be the cheapest way to face the theme. it's obvious that many of you don't like the idea of marvel-based stuff in disney parks, but i think that would be better for all (since, obviously, they are coming) if it's done in a good and not cheap way. shoving them in a studio just because they made movies from them it's plain lck of imaginaton, i'd be really disappointed. of course, putting them in a "traditional" magic kingdom it's not good either (a là buzz in discoveryland), but we already know shangai it's some kind of different, mysterious beast ;)
(a little OT, i'd love an "heroes" based third gate in paris, where you enter in new york city, then have a distopic future land -with giant sentinels from the x-men - a mythic area with stuff like the olympus and asgard. in Italy we even have disney-branded superheroes, like superpippo -goofy- and paperinik -donald =)
It seems we're going to have the big, official unveiling announcement on 8th April. :D
Great! Will there be a live stream or something so everyone can watch it on the World Wide Web?
I'm not sure. I'm only repeating what was said on Disney and More. :)
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Well, if there is one, he'll post it on Disney and More I guess ;-)
I've found an article on the NY Times, not many infos, they won't release an attraction list (they're learning for their new Apple connections, I think ;), but there's a new concept art, and is not cloudy like the last one.
Here's the article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/busin ... isney.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/business/media/08disney.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Notable quote:
"Shanghai's Disneyland, for instance, will not feature a Main Street-theme entrance, a staple of every other Disney resort. (The Main Street areas are designed to reflect Walt Disney's idyllic childhood in a Missouri town at the turn of the 20th century.) Instead, guests will enter through a lush 11-acre area featuring water and trees, where they will be greeted by costumed characters, Mr. Iger said. The castle will be Disney's biggest."
And here goes the concept art:
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It almost looks like as Fantasyland is in front of the castle.
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Two more artworks from the Disney Parks Blog:
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Ok, my two cents on what i think it's represented in the artwork, then i'm heading to bed for real.
Comparing this:
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to this:
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We see clearly in the front of the area the big entrance plaza that was clearly hinted in the first über-blurry artwork. Right on it left (labeled "commercial facilities") the shopping area, that i think really looks like some kind of "Main Street" style area.
Right of the entrance esplanade there's tht really big woods area with blue roofs that at first i thought was some kind of jungle/adventureland area, but from the map looks like it will be some kind of hotel.
In front of the esplanade there's the non-Main-Street entrance, and from both renderings i think really looks like some kind of Fantasyland, in a set up more similar to WDW's Fantasyland forest, than a traditional "village" Fantasyland. From the first rendering i've posted you can see clearly some kind of Dumbo spinner and a caroussel. Closer to the Castle's entrance there a more village like area. I was looking to locate the Seven Dwarves coaster that was said to be part of the park, but i cannot see anything that may look like it.
Just right of this area (and north of the forest hotel) i think that's Adventureland, with the "Splash Pirates" mountain (the only other thing that was pretty clear from the first concept art). The light brown roofs on its left looks like some kind of african area, but that's just wild guessing.
North of the castle, most hard area to read, it's a lot of green with what looks like wooden roofs. Could this be Frontierland? (far west is popular enought in china? but at least would be a land that's not featured in Hong Kong).
West of the castle, it looks for sure futuristic, so it could be some kind of Tomorrowland, with that big dome being a Space Mountain kind of attraction. In this area, from the map, should be also located the second hotel (anyway, the article talks about 2 hotels, while the map indentifies 4 hotel areas)
Also, looks like no train this time, and since there's no Main Street, looks like there won't be any kind of transportation inside the park, that would be pretty weird i think (but in Tokyo is not much different, since the train is all inside Westernland, am i wrong?)
Comeon, don't be shy and join wild guessing. It's fun m/
Q
Thanks |Q| for the pictures and informations.
Here's the castle:
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It looks like the Cinderella castle at WDW and TDL, but altered a bit. I like the new castle, but I'm glad that it will not be as magical as DLRP's castle.
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It really seems, like |Q| has already mentioned, that the castle will be behind Fantasyland. Since the park will have no Main Street, maybe Disney replaced Main Street and Central Plaza with Fantasyland. It makes sense, because guests will enter the park through an area with water and trees, it will be a perfect transition into Fantasyland.
I'm really excited about the new park and I'm sure HKDL will feel a little bit betrayed by TWDC. SHDL can't be compared with HK, it's so much more elaborate and offers more.
Here's the official press release from TWDC:
DISNEY AND PARTNERS BREAK GROUND ON SHANGHAI DISNEY RESORT
First Disney theme park to be built in mainland China
SHANGHAI (April 8, 2011) - The Walt Disney Company and Shanghai Shendi Group, its joint venture partner in China, have broken ground on the Shanghai Disney Resort following approval from the Chinese central government in Beijing. Both companies marked the start of construction on the first Disney resort in mainland China at a groundbreaking ceremony held earlier today.
"Today marks a significant milestone in the history of The Walt Disney Company," said Robert A. Iger, President and CEO of The Walt Disney Company. "Our Shanghai resort will be a world-class family vacation destination that combines classic Disney characters and storytelling with the uniqueness and beauty of China. Working with our Chinese partners, the Shanghai Disney Resort will be both authentically Disney and distinctly Chinese."
"We're incredibly excited to build a Disney resort in Shanghai, one of the world's most vibrant cities," said Thomas O. Staggs, Chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. "We are hard at work designing Shanghai Disneyland, which when complete will be a special place where guests of all ages will discover a world of imagination, creativity, adventure and thrills."
Today's groundbreaking ceremony paid homage to the culture and people of China. Traditional Chinese drum music, a female soloist singing in Mandarin, a 50-voice Shanghai children's choir and Mickey Mouse dressed in a traditional Chinese costume were on hand to mark this special occasion. Following the entertainment and remarks, Iger and Staggs were joined by Shanghai Party Secretary Yu Zhengsheng and Shanghai Mayor Han Zheng to officially break ground on the project.
The new Shanghai Disney Resort is slated to open in approximately five years.
The Shanghai Disney Resort will be home to Shanghai Disneyland, a Magic Kingdom-style park that will blend classic Disney storytelling and characters with all-new attractions and experiences tailored specifically for the people of China. The park will feature several themed lands complete with exciting, iconic Disney attractions and experiences. At the heart of the park will be an interactive Disney castle that is truly an attraction unto itself with entertainment, dining and performance experiences that will be unique to Shanghai Disneyland. The park will also contain other large-scale entertainment venues, indoor and out, that can be used for various purposes throughout the year.
A beautiful, 11 acre (46,130 square meter) green space at the center of the theme park will differentiate Shanghai Disneyland and reinforce the themes of sustainability and nature that will be integrated throughout the park. The space will also be a place where friends and family can enjoy local cultural celebrations and customs together.
On Opening Day, the Shanghai Disney Resort will be located on a 963 acre (3.9 square kilometer) site in Pudong, Shanghai, with additional room to expand in the future. At opening, the resort will include Shanghai Disneyland, two themed hotels, a large retail, dining and entertainment venue, recreational facilities, a lake and associated parking and transportation hubs.
There will be an initial investment in the project of approximately 24.5 billion yuan (US$3.7 billion) to build the theme park and an additional 4.5 billion yuan (US$0.7 billion) to build the other aspects of the resort, including the hotels and the retail, dining and entertainment area. The investment amounts will be split between Disney and the Shanghai Shendi Group with Disney holding 43% of the shares of the owner companies and the Shanghai Shendi Group holding the remaining 57%. Financing will be proportional to ownership. In addition, a joint venture management company will be formed with Disney having a 70% stake and Shanghai Shendi Group having a 30% stake. The management company will be responsible for creating, developing and operating the resort.
About Shanghai Shendi Group
Shanghai Shendi (Group) Co., Ltd. is a 100% state-owned, joint venture investment holding company formed by three sponsors - Shanghai Lujiazui (Group) Co., Ltd., Shanghai Radio, Film and Television Development Co., Ltd., and Jinjiang International Group Holding Company. Shanghai Shendi (Group) Co., Ltd. is involved in project investment, construction, and operation through two full subsidiaries: Shanghai Shendi Tourism and Resort Development Co., Ltd. and Shanghai Shendi Construction Co., Ltd.
About The Walt Disney Company China
The Walt Disney Company (NYSE:DIS), together with its subsidiaries and affiliates, is a diversified international family entertainment enterprise with five business segments and is a Dow 30 company with revenues of nearly $38 billion in its most recently reported fiscal year. Disney's first animation screened in China in the 1930s and today our long association continues with offices in Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou with over 1000 employees. The Company has a broad range of businesses including publishing, broadcast, mobile, web, retail and its English language program, Disney English, which launched in 2008. Nearly 24 hours of Disney television programming is now available in China every week, reaching 300-360 million people each month. In September 2005, Disney opened its doors to its first theme park in China, Hong Kong Disneyland.
About Walt Disney Parks and Resorts
Walt Disney Parks and Resorts are where dreams come true. More than 50 years ago, Walt Disney created a new kind of entertainment families could experience together, immersed in detailed atmospheres and vibrant storytelling. His vision now includes a collection of five of the world's leading family vacation destinations $#8211 Disneyland Resort, Anaheim, Calif.; Walt Disney World Resort, Lake Buena Vista, Fla.; Tokyo Disney Resort, Urayasu, Chiba, Japan; Disneyland Paris, Marne-la-Vall?e, France; and Hong Kong Disneyland Resort, located on Lantau Island. In addition, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts includes the world-class Disney Cruise Line; Disney Vacation Club; Adventures by Disney, a guided group vacation experience to some of the world's most popular destinations; and Walt Disney Imagineering, which creates and designs all Disney parks, resorts and attractions
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According to the official press release, it seems Disney is going the same way to operate SHDL, like they are doing with DLRP.
TWDC will hold 43% of the owner company, can be compared with Euro Disney SCA (39.8%), but will have a 70% legal ownership in the operating company, can be compared with Euro Disney Associes SCA (51%).
This time Disney is really interested in having a successful resort and it seems they learned from their mistakes in Paris with opening too many hotels.
Here is the official Shanghai Disneyland Resort website:
http://en.shanghaidisneyresort.com.cn/en/ (http://en.shanghaidisneyresort.com.cn/en/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Here you can find a fact sheet:
http://en.shanghaidisneyresort.com.cn/m ... -sheet.pdf (http://en.shanghaidisneyresort.com.cn/media/pb_v0100/downloads/pdf/en-fact-sheet.pdf%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
This is it, then! :)
That castle is massive (if the proportions in the concept art are correct). They say they're going to put a few things inside it, so that will be interesting.
But now that Fantasyland has become the Central Plaza, I wonder how this will look... or work, for that matter. There won't be as much retail as people leave the park and whatnot. Then again, I'm sure the imagineers have thought that through.
Overall, it's really exciting. :D
I suppose SDL and HKDL can be thought of as WDW and DL, respectively, but with even greater differences, this time! For the classic Disney park, go to Hong Kong, and for something new, go to Shanghai. :D
SHDL in TV News:
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Does the music sound familiar? ;) (You can also hear the start to Fantillusion right at the end :P )
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Wow the concepts look Brilliant :thumbs:
I would love to go, cant wait to hear more about it :D
Looking (compulsively) at the artwork, there's some stuff i cannot find:
No train?
No Big Thunder Mountain?
No Rivers of the Far West/steamboats?
No Teacups?
No Autopia?
No It's a Small World?
I cannot find even the Seven Dwarves Mine Coaster, that should be there quite for sure.
I don't say "no Space Mountain?" only cause there's that weird dome that looks like some early renderings for HKDL Space Mountain.
Maybe it's "Space Blob"? Either way, I think we should expect something very different from each land. I'm not even sure if they'll have the same name, because it's obvious now that this Magic Kingdom will beat least 80% different. However, we're not meant be able to make out anything, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are there somewhere. :)
Quote from: "|Q|"Looking (compulsively) at the artwork, there's some stuff i cannot find:
No train?
No Big Thunder Mountain?
No Rivers of the Far West/steamboats?
No Teacups?
No Autopia?
No It's a Small World?
I cannot find even the Seven Dwarves Mine Coaster, that should be there quite for sure.
I don't say "no Space Mountain?" only cause there's that weird dome that looks like some early renderings for HKDL Space Mountain.
I think I read somewhere that Disney doesn't want to make the attraction public, because they fear that other parks will copy them. So I wouldn't take these concept arts too serious, there can still change a lot.
Since there is already HKDL in China, I can imagine that this park will not feature many of the attractions found in HKDL. Although it is still a MK style park, I think it will be quite different from what we know from other Disneyland parks. I just hope that Pirate Mountain is still part of the new park.
What do you think, will Shanghai Disneyland be successful or will it be a failure like HKDL and DLRP? Do you think it is too early to build a second Disney park in China? According to the press release negotiations lasted for ten years, that means Disney started to talk to the Chinese government during the construction of HKDL.
Michael Eisner, former Disney CEO, opened six Disney parks around the globe and made WD Parks & Resorts what it is today, the number one in the industry. Maybe Mr. Iger also wants to leave his mark in the disney themepark history.
On the one hand I think Disney has learned from the mistakes they made with DLRP, too many hotels, and HKDL, too small not enough attractions?
Disney entered the Chinese market not long ago and so most Chinese don't know much of Disney. Why should they want to visit a Disney park? Ocean Park attracts more people than HKDL, so I really don't think that carnival attractions like TSPL will not bring more people to the resort. Hopefully Mystic Manor and Grizzly Gulch will help HKDL.
During the next five years HKDL has to try everything to get more people into the park, otherwise they will not have a chance to compete with SHDL. I really think that TWDC lost its interest in HKDL, and in DLRP, and maybe this will be the first Disney park to close.
A very good source tells me your dream may not come true. The reason there is no huge detail though, is this phase is just starting the process, attractions are still to be finalised. Remember, HKDL was to have a Frontierland with Grizzly River Rapids, and Dinosaur was also slotted for Adventureland.
Also, DLP was supposed to have Splash Mountain, Indy, Toontown, a little mermaid dark ride and a Beauty and the beast AA show. Things change, especially 5 years from opening (DL was 1 year from ground break to opening, most other resorts were 3). Much can and will change.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"A very good source tells me your dream may not come true.
Which dream are you talking about? Are you going to say that Pirate Mountain will not be part of the new park? That would be disappointing, because I'm really looking forward to this new incarnation of POTC.
Dave, do you know, or your sources, if the new DL will have a railroad circling the park or at least be part of a land, like in Tokyo?
Sorry, I meant may come true, the new pirates may find a home in Shanghai. I do not know about the train. Because of the political implications of this park, it is very tight. I would simply say that the pirates may come, it may be a small world, and there may be some high speed travel through cyber space or outer space - jury is still out. A yeti may come to china though.
Nothing is confirmed other than a castle and carousel ;)
As for Paris, forget about travelling to other planets other than endor, and do not count on Remy :(
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Sorry, I meant may come true, the new pirates may find a home in Shanghai. I do not know about the train. Because of the political implications of this park, it is very tight. I would simply say that the pirates may come, it may be a small world, and there may be some high speed travel through cyber space or outer space - jury is still out. A yeti may come to china though.
Nothing is confirmed other than a castle and carousel ;)
As for Paris, forget about travelling to other planets other than endor, and do not count on Remy :(
Do you want to say that we may not get Ratatouille as well? ST II not coming and now they are going to axe Ratatouille, what are they doing in Paris? Will we get another bunch of stupid carnival rides for the 20th birthday?
Not even....
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Not even....
Great!! I couldn't be more excited about the future of DLRP. Hopefully our plan to return to the US and visit DL in Anaheim will turn into reality next year. Now we can save the DLRP money for DL.
I am hoping my sources are right on Shanghai and wrong on Paris. But their batting average is very good. Problem is, this character tripe DLP keeps getting is popular, with an audience that largely have very limited experience of what Disney parks are about. It keeps the cost down, and with DLP's issues, they like it. Though the refurbs are costing a fortune (but look at the DLP leadership, they have a very high turnover compared to Disneyland, now they are paying the price).
It makes me wonder what is in store for Shanghai where they have limited experience
Disney And More has posted a video about SHDL:
[youtube:c57v5nnz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwQi6x13-wQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:c57v5nnz]
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/ ... aited.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/04/editors-note-all-about-most-awaited.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Here are some pictures from the official Disney parks blog:
http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2 ... toric-day/ (http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2011/04/shanghai-disney-resort-groundbreaking-ceremony-marks-historic-day/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
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I can't remember where I read it, I think it was Micechat.com, that SHDL isn't designed by WDI alone. It is said that former Imagineers were hired to help to create the new park. One of them should be former Imagineer Tim Delaney, who created Discoveryland and SM.
The following concept art was done by Tim Delaney.
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Concept art found on Micechat.com
I think it looks a bit like the building shown on the left side of the concept art bellow.
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Maybe that's a new version of SM. I hope the rumours are true that SHDL is co-designed by former Imagineers and not by people who "imagineered" TSPL. Disney wants to make sure that the new park will have great attractions and not just carnival rides.
This concept art was also on Tim Delaney's homepage, but it seems it was taken down.
http://timjdelaney.com/home.html (http://timjdelaney.com/home.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
QuoteInstead, guests will enter through a lush 11-acre area featuring water and trees, where they will be greeted by costumed characters, Mr. Iger said. The castle will be Disney's biggest."
Wow i don´t believe it... Welcome to a 11 arce Pixie Hollow...
hope more is coming in the future, maybe the park is going to be good but right now i don´t believe it
Quote from: "lil-shawn"QuoteInstead, guests will enter through a lush 11-acre area featuring water and trees, where they will be greeted by costumed characters, Mr. Iger said. The castle will be Disney's biggest."
Wow i don´t believe it... Welcome to a 11 arce Pixie Hollow...
hope more is coming in the future, maybe the park is going to be good but right now i don´t believe it
I really hope you are wrong on that. Pixie Hollow as the entrance would be terrible.
Quote from: "dagobert"The following concept art was done by Tim Delaney.
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Concept art found on Micechat.com
So the next Space Mountain will be a dome? Or maybe even "Space Dome!" I like that idea! :D I'll have to see it in real life before I can say that it will be as beautiful as our Space Mountain, but you can tell that it's going to end up looking brilliant. It looks like the architectural theme in their Tomorrowland is going to be curves and round shapes.
But more interrestingly, there is a yellow monorail in front of it. We don't know whether that might have been scrapped, but could this mean that there will be a monorail going around SDL?
Quote from: "Meph"So the next Space Mountain will be a dome? Or maybe even "Space Dome!" I like that idea! :D I'll have to see it in real life before I can say that it will be as beautiful as our Space Mountain, but you can tell that it's going to end up looking brilliant. It looks like the architectural theme in their Tomorrowland is going to be curves and round shapes.
But more interrestingly, there is a yellow monorail in front of it. We don't know whether that might have been scrapped, but could this mean that there will be a monorail going around SDL?
The concept art doesn't show a railroad or a monorail circling the park. If Disney is going to use one of them, I really hope they stick with the traditional steam train. Steam trains were such an important part of Walt Disney and that's why they should stay.
I also like Tim's concept art and I really hope that he and former Imagineers are involved to create the new resort.
Alain Littaye from disneyandmore.blogspot.com has posted some high res pictures of the SHDL concept art:
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/ ... s-new.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/04/sdl-artwork-high-res-files-reveals-new.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Take a look, it's really interesting. This park will be amazing.
The entrance:
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Downtown Disney / Disney Village kind of area:
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Adventureland:
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Tomorrowland:
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Fantasyland:
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I saw it this morning. It looks like there's a lot that they've obscured with trees (which I suppose looks better than just blurring it). I like the idea of the little entrance area having shops that open out, rather than going across a street. But what is that grassy area in front of the castle, because I'm doubtful that it's Fantasyland, since that's still behind the castle. What could it be?
One thing is for sure, though: you can tell where the parade route will be. It does a large loop around the grassy area. Where it will start and end, though, I'm not sure.
As for Fantasyland, I've got no idea about that, since the trees are in the way.
Adventureland is going to look brilliant. From the looks of it, they're going to have caves around the pirate cove.
What's really struck me, though, is the Space Dome. It looks slightly transparent, and I think there's a little lake inside it. Could it be the Discovery Mountain that we never had? :)
Quote from: "Meph"I saw it this morning. It looks like there's a lot that they've obscured with trees (which I suppose looks better than just blurring it). I like the idea of the little entrance area having shops that open out, rather than going across a street. But what is that grassy area in front of the castle, because I'm doubtful that it's Fantasyland, since that's still behind the castle. What could it be?
One thing is for sure, though: you can tell where the parade route will be. It does a large loop around the grassy area. Where it will start and end, though, I'm not sure.
As for Fantasyland, I've got no idea about that, since the trees are in the way.
Adventureland is going to look brilliant. From the looks of it, they're going to have caves around the pirate cove.
What's really struck me, though, is the Space Dome. It looks slightly transparent, and I think there's a little lake inside it. Could it be the Discovery Mountain that we never had? :)
Fantasyland will not be behind the castle. In fact it s the greeny area in front of the castle.
Quote from: "dagobert"Quote from: "Meph"I saw it this morning. It looks like there's a lot that they've obscured with trees (which I suppose looks better than just blurring it). I like the idea of the little entrance area having shops that open out, rather than going across a street. But what is that grassy area in front of the castle, because I'm doubtful that it's Fantasyland, since that's still behind the castle. What could it be?
One thing is for sure, though: you can tell where the parade route will be. It does a large loop around the grassy area. Where it will start and end, though, I'm not sure.
As for Fantasyland, I've got no idea about that, since the trees are in the way.
Adventureland is going to look brilliant. From the looks of it, they're going to have caves around the pirate cove.
What's really struck me, though, is the Space Dome. It looks slightly transparent, and I think there's a little lake inside it. Could it be the Discovery Mountain that we never had? :)
Fantasyland will not be behind the castle. In fact it s the greeny area in front of the castle.
On the note of Discovery Mountain, they say a good idea never dies at WDI, perhaps the Nautilus could be like this sketch by Tim Delaney, who also first sketched the Space Dome type building. In fact, Tim Delaney not only did Discoveryland, but HKDL Tomorrowland
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EDIT: Wasn't SDL supposed to have only 4 lands, which matches up with D&M saying Fantasyland is in front of and behind the castle, with Adventureland off to the right, Tomorrowland on the left, with Land 4 off to the back somewhere.
Quote from: "dagobert"Fantasyland will not be behind the castle. In fact it s the greeny area in front of the castle.
Look closer at the image, behind the castle. As I said, there are more buildings obscured by the trees, and some of them look like castle elements.
Although nothing is set in stone, but the following picture clearly shows Fantasyland in front of the castle.
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Picture taken from the Official Disney Parks Blog
Maybe Fantasyland circles around the castle. I think Tom Staggs or Robert Iger mentioned that Fantasyland is in front of the castle. But you are right, the buildings behind the castle look like they are part of Fantasyland. I think the castle will not only be the centerpiece of the park, it will also be the centerpiece of Fantasyland and not the entrance.
Quote from: "SM:M3"On the note of Discovery Mountain, they say a good idea never dies at WDI, perhaps the Nautilus could be like this sketch by Tim Delaney, who also first sketched the Space Dome type building. In fact, Tim Delaney not only did Discoveryland, but HKDL Tomorrowland
EDIT: Wasn't SDL supposed to have only 4 lands, which matches up with D&M saying Fantasyland is in front of and behind the castle, with Adventureland off to the right, Tomorrowland on the left, with Land 4 off to the back somewhere.
I really hope that WDI brings former Imagineers, like Tim Delaney, back to design the park. He did a great job in Paris until HIS Discoveryland was messed up by Buzz Lightyear. In Paris you can see what happens when people who don't care about the story create rides.
Unfortunately he had to leave WDI, but rumours say that SHDL isn't designed by WDI alone and that Disney hired former Imagineers to build the park. Maybe he is part of that team. Some of Tim Delaney's Tomorrowland drawings were removed from his website, maybe they are used for SHDL.
If Shanghai gets Indiana Jones Adventure, I would love them to build two at the same time to save money, then give one to Paris! I know it's wishful thinking, but a boy can dream!
Quote from: "dagobert"Maybe Fantasyland circles around the castle. I think Tom Staggs or Robert Iger mentioned that Fantasyland is in front of the castle. But you are right, the buildings behind the castle look like they are part of Fantasyland. I think the castle will not only be the centerpiece of the park, it will also be the centerpiece of Fantasyland and not the entrance.
Well elements of Fantasyland are at the front, yes. Maybe the front is going to be more like the Fantasy Gardens in HKDL, but I think most of Fantasyland will be at the back.
Quote from: "Meph"Well elements of Fantasyland are at the front, yes. Maybe the front is going to be more like the Fantasy Gardens in HKDL, but I think most of Fantasyland will be at the back.
The dark rides seem to be located behind the castle, only the smaller rides, like Dumbo, are in front. I think that's a great move, because these rides will bring some life to that area.
I'm so glad that Disney will not mess up that wonderful park with Toy Story Playland. At least there is nothing in the concept art that indicates TSPL.
Judging from the concept art the building for POTC is huge and I think that this new incarnation of the classic attraction will be amazing and totally different to the current version. Unfortunately I can't see the big drop, like Splash Mountain, that was envisioned for the HKDL pirates ride.
Actually, if you look to the right and a bit lower down to the pirates building there is a building with what looks like a skull and the large drop on top of the building.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Actually, if you look to the right and a bit lower down to the pirates building there is a building with what looks like a skull and the large drop on top of the building.
I think that's the Indiana Jones building, because it looks very similar to the one found in the Tokyo DisneySea Park.
According to Alain Littaye from Disney and More SHDL secured the money for building the resort. Nothing special, but I thought it's worth a post:
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/ ... -from.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/05/shanghai-disneyland-gets-loan-from.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
According to the always fantastic Blue Sky Disney Blog, there will be no Space Mountain. Usually they are always very well informed and so it seems that SHDL will be a totally new incarnation of the MK. Honestly I like that. It's boring to see the same rides over and over again.
There will also be some kind of water ride. like Grizzly River Run:
Take a look at that original overview artwork and you'll see it in the right corner. It's the big mountain you can see there. It's intricately detailed with a great deal of beautiful rockwork. Let's hope that Burbank doesn't make them cut the budget as it's going to cost quite a bit.
http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/2011/ ... anges.html (http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/2011/05/blue-sky-buzz-chinese-changes.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
He is making educated guesses. The line up is still far from agreed and they are still hammering out the details. There is talk of a Space Mountain or a TRON themed launch coaster, and there is even talk of a Marvel themed one.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"He is making educated guesses. The line up is still far from agreed and they are still hammering out the details. There is talk of a Space Mountain or a TRON themed launch coaster, and there is even talk of a Marvel themed one.
A Tron themed launch coaster would be great, but in my opinion that ride would fit better into a Studios park. Although I like that the new park will look different, I think SM is such an iconic attraction so that it should be part of SHDL. SM should be more like the Paris version instead of the lame MK ride. I don't know how the SM in Tokyo, Hong Kong and Anaheim are, but I don't get it why people like the WDW attraction.
Quote from: "dagobert"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"He is making educated guesses. The line up is still far from agreed and they are still hammering out the details. There is talk of a Space Mountain or a TRON themed launch coaster, and there is even talk of a Marvel themed one.
A Tron themed launch coaster would be great, but in my opinion that ride would fit better into a Studios park. Although I like that the new park will look different, I think SM is such an iconic attraction so that it should be part of SHDL. SM should be more like the Paris version instead of the lame MK ride. I don't know how the SM in Tokyo, Hong Kong and Anaheim are, but I don't get it why people like the WDW attraction.
The versions in California, Tokyo and HK are a little different to WDW, but they are also family coasters, and that is what makes them popular. In the US, most coasters are mega coasters, so it is rare to have a good themed family coaster. Also, the original in WDW was a world first - in the dark, computer controlled.
But at least California and Hong Kong have integrated soundtracks and effects.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"The versions in California, Tokyo and HK are a little different to WDW, but they are also family coasters, and that is what makes them popular. In the US, most coasters are mega coasters, so it is rare to have a good themed family coaster. Also, the original in WDW was a world first - in the dark, computer controlled.
But at least California and Hong Kong have integrated soundtracks and effects.
Thanks for the infos. Weren't there plans to add a soundtrack to the WDW version? I do understand the reason you have given, but I'm with Tim Delaney: When you are travelling through space, it has to be more spectacular.
According to the Imagineering book "The Disney Mountains" the SM in the MK has to identical mirrored tracks, while the SM in Tokyo, Anaheim and Hong Kong have only one track. Are these three SM also identical? I know that HKDL and DL Anaheim have the same version, but what about Tokyo? The building looks like the one in Florida.
Quote from: "dagobert"Thanks for the infos. Weren't there plans to add a soundtrack to the WDW version?
They already have. ;) They added speakers last August. But they added them to the track, instead of the trains so apparently it sounds a bit strange. XD
Damn. Toy Story Playland is coming to Shanghai Disneyland. You can see it on this recently leaked map of the park:
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Mickey Avenue? Good lord.
And isn't Toy Story Playland meant to be a Hong Kong exclusive in Asia?
But this version has an extra Hotwheels track and a new showbuilding. Is it too small to be Toy Story Mania?
Also, I'm guessing the parade route is the route in white. It seems like quite a long one. Plenty of room for people to stand. :)
Because they have rows of viewing areas in front of the castle, what are the chances that they're going to have a night time spectacular?
QuoteAnd isn't Toy Story Playland meant to be a Hong Kong exclusive in Asia?
Wasn´t it something like "exclusive to Asia for at least 5 years"? i´m not sure.!
Don´t think the map is to bad, looks very interesting. to bad it´s not High-res to see and read everything better.
the Adventureland area is very interesting as is the Fantasyland area without TSPL.! Tomorowland area looks very small.!
Where does that map comes from? Screamscape cites "european Disney fan sites", but i haven't seen it before it was posted here.
anyway, the first thing i notice, is that it looks the arched Tivoli-like entrance that can be seen in the latest concept arts shown is not depicted here (i may be wrong)
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as is different the distribution of the ponds in the Gardens of Imagination
(and, hey, why all this HATE for TSPL? comeon... ;)
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Then again, this could be an old map, and that concept is still valid. :) But that made me notice something: if there's no train going round the park and there's no big entrance, does that mean there's no tunnel to walk under before you enter the park?
Quote from: "|Q|"Where does that map comes from? Screamscape cites "european Disney fan sites", but i haven't seen it before it was posted here.
I got it from Screamscape, too. :)
Quoteanyway, the first thing i notice, is that it looks the arched Tivoli-like entrance that can be seen in the latest concept arts shown is not depicted here (i may be wrong)
Maybe the green stripes on the street between the buildings is the arch xDD
son´t know but i wondered why the hell is there a green crosswalk..! :D
QuoteBut that made me notice something: if there's no train going round the park and there's no big entrance, does that mean there's no tunnel to walk under before you enter the park?
Don´t look like there will be a tunel to enter the Park, but i wonder if it has to be one. This is a new style of a Magic Kingdom park don´t have to be the same all the time, or does it? I think something fresh is good, keeping part of the old concept and mix it with a new design... It works in EPCOT, ANIMAL KINGDOM, TOKYO DISNEY SEA ect. ect. yeah i know this are no Magic Kingdom style parks..!!
DisneySea has the Venetian hotel to walk under and Animal Kingdom has a forest. :) It doesn't need a tunnel, but it's a good imagineering technique. :)
Quote from: "Josh"DisneySea has the Venetian hotel to walk under
It's not venetian, only one wing (then it has portofino on the harbour front and some kind tuscany on the other side. For the sake of nitpicking. And nationalism. lol.
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Ah, sorry. I just assumed it was because of the gondola rides. XD
It looks like Mickey Avenue is going to be a very truncated version on Main Street. With that name change, I expect there will be a large focus on characters. I wonder if they're going to keep the turn-of-the-century styling, or perhaps turn it into something like Toontown?
QuoteIt looks like Mickey Avenue is going to be a very truncated version on Main Street. With that name change, I expect there will be a large focus on characters. I wonder if they're going to keep the turn-of-the-century styling, or perhaps turn it into something like Toontown?
I think it will have a main street look with the charakters taken over the shops and restaurants. so in my eyes it can be something like a turn of the century main street and the shops/ restaurants ect. have the names of the charakters. Don´t think they will do a Toontown at the entrance.
QuoteDisneySea has the Venetian hotel to walk under and Animal Kingdom has a forest. It doesn't need a tunnel, but it's a good imagineering technique.
Okay didn´t thought of the Miracosta TDS and Oasis AK. Sure it is/was a good technique when done right, like in your examples, not like this ugly concrete cube called Studio 1.
Alright i argee that in a Magic Kingdome style Park they schould do something like the tunel, or a Hotel or something like the Oasis to block of the outside from the inside and other way round.
Quote from: "isani"It looks like Mickey Avenue is going to be a very truncated version on Main Street. With that name change, I expect there will be a large focus on characters. I wonder if they're going to keep the turn-of-the-century styling, or perhaps turn it into something like Toontown?
From what I've assumed from concept art/the limited information we have, it'll be similar to Buena Vista Street, with 'traditional' looking shops, which have names of characters; Clarabelles Ice Cream Parlour, Oswalds Store etc.
I'm liking the idea of this park so far, a little disappointed by the inclusion of TSPL, but I'm wondering if it may get phased out if New Fantasyland is popular at MK? I know the audiences over there are more fans of the second Golden Era and Pixar movies instead of the classics, which is why I don't think Pinocchio, Snow White or Peter Pan will cut it in this park.
But the large show buildings in that area give me hope for Under the Sea and the Be Our Guestaurant. (Why they didn't call it that I don't know!)