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[Stitch2814]

just seen the new trailer and cant wait to see the film!! pig scene made me laugh to

[peep]

New video from Walt Disney Studios UK youtube channel:

[youtube:2vf6v0yw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hE3Vzhl7B4&feature=sub[/youtube:2vf6v0yw]

Apparently they'll be another video update next Wednesday.

[dagobert]

I can't wait to see this movie! It still annoys me that it's just "Disney Alice in Wonderland", instead of "Walt Disney Pictures presents", even on the posters.

Does the management want to get rid of "Walt"? They did the same with "the Princess and the Frog" and "A Christmal Carol".

I know it is off topic, but Disney annoys me a liitle bit at the moment.

[Anthony]

Whether this will come to anything I don't know, but it's interesting all the same. Disney trying to cut the release window of films from 17 weeks down to 12, and the cinemas aren't happy:

UK cinema chains may boycott Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland

The UK's biggest cinema chains are set to boycott Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland, due out on 5 March, because of a dispute with Disney over the release window.

Disney wants to cut the gap between the theatrical opening and the DVD release to just 12 weeks, down from the standard 17 weeks. The big exhibitors refuse to book any film that doesn't have a guaranteed four-month theatrical run.

If neither side climbs down, the 3D film will not play at any Odeon, Vue or Cineworld site across the country, representing 95% of the UK's 3D screens.

That means Disney would forfeit a substantial amount of the film's projected £40m UK box-office gross. It will be tricky for the studio to explain that to Burton, who lives in London and shot Alice In Wonderland largely in Devon and Cornwall.

The film stars Johnny Depp, Mia Wasikowska and a largely British supporting cast, including Helena Bonham Carter, Matt Lucas, Stephen Fry, Michael Sheen, Alan Rickman, Christopher Lee and Barbara Windsor.

However, Disney said the royal charity premiere at the Odeon Leicester Square will go ahead regardless, because that isn't a commercial booking.

The studio previously attempted to shorten the theatrical run of Up in order to release the DVD before Christmas, but changed its mind after the exhibitors threatened to pull A Christmas Carol from their screens in retaliation.

This time, however, Disney has given the exhibitors advance warning of its intentions. A studio source described the 12-week deal as a "take it or leave it" proposition that is not up for negotiation.

Disney's distribution chiefs, Bob Chapek and Chuck Viane, have flown in from Hollywood to talk to British exhibitors over the next couple of days.

"We feel that it's important for us to maintain a healthy business on the exhibition side and a healthy business on the home video side... We remain committed to theatrical windows, with the need for exceptions to accommodate a shortened timeframe on a case-by-case basis, such as with Disney's Alice in Wonderland," said Chapek.

But sources say the studio is not offering more favourable revenue-sharing terms to tempt them to accept the shorter window. Odeon and Vue have already pulled all trailers and promotional materials for Alice in Wonderland from their cinemas, and have stopped selling advance tickets. Cineworld, as a public company, is taking a more cautious line and is still promoting Alice in Wonderland on its website, but is understood to be equally robust in its rejection of the shorter window.

Disney is also cutting the theatrical run for Alice in Wonderland in the US and Italy, where most exhibitors look likely to accept the studio's terms.

This is part of a global strategy by Disney CEO Bob Iger to shorten some of its theatrical releases, in a bid to maximise its home entertainment revenues, combat piracy and minimise its marketing costs.

The studio says that films take 97% of their box office in the first eight weeks of release, after which they largely disappear from cinemas. It argues that making consumers wait another two months before they can buy the DVD legitimately just presents the pirates with an "exclusive window."

Exhibitors counter that bringing forward the DVD release will reduce the audience appetite to see films on the big screen, which could lead to cinema closures, particularly in smaller towns.

Disney is using this summer's football World Cup as its pretext for cutting short Alice's theatrical run. It argues that audiences won't go to the cinema during the World Cup in their usual numbers, so it makes sense to pull Alice in Wonderland early.

But UK exhibitors argue that a family film such as Alice in Wonderland is less threatened by the World Cup than other titles.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb ... and-burton

Iger probably has a point, 17 weeks is just a bit too long. Although with this film being 3D and IMAX 3D and therefore not the same experience on DVD, it's strange they'd want to cut any box office time.

I doubt they'll boycott it, it's had too much advertising and press attention already.

[smurfy74]

I just deleted a topic i set up on another part of the forum as i found the same post here - thank goodness that my local here in Eastbourne is a cineworld, and i think Iger has a good point about cutting the timescales - i can also see it from the cinemas point of view, when they get a big film then it runs for weeks, Avatar is still selling out here and it nearly 8 weeks since it release isnt it???

[MagicKenny]

Dutch cinemas are boycotting it too now...
It includes most of Europe's cinemas and US' largest cinemas.

I think Disney will set the DVD release date for at least 2 weeks later.
I just have to see this movie in IMAX 3D!

[Annet]

I just read on a Dutch site that Alice in Wonderland will be boycotted in cinema's through Europe. I tried to find an english article, and I found this one from the UK that sums up the problem:
http://www.filmshaft.com/uk-cinemas-cou ... onderland/

I really hope they work things out, I want to see it in the cinema!!!

[Masamune]

I can't believe the cinemas have done this. When I went to see Princess and the Frog on Monday at the Odeon, everything was fine. They had AiW banners, posters, massive cardboard cutouts and of course the trailer. Then when I went to see Princess and the Frog again on Saturday, all of it was gone! I'm just praying that either Disney or the cinemas back down.

[MagicKenny]

official comment from Disney:

dutch:

Belang

Distributeur Disney stelt in een reactie voorafgaand aan elke film zorgvuldig te bepalen wanneer een titel in de bioscoop en op dvd verschijnt. ''Ons belang is hetzelfde als dat van de bioscopen, namelijk een gezonde filmindustrie'', aldus een zegsvrouw.

Het bedrijf zegt onder meer vanwege de bedreiging van illegaal downloaden sommige films eerder op dvd uit te brengen. Disney is vooralsnog niet van plan de releasedata van Alice in Wonderland aan te passen.

source: nu.nl

Short english:

Disney says they want a healthy film industry. That's why they chose this release date.
Due to piracy/illegal downloads, they decided to release some movies earlier.
Disney will not change the release date for Alice in Wonderland.


Kenny

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Actually I kind of understand both parts of this dispute. 12 weeks is a small period for the cinemas to make money on a movie, but on the other Disneys DVD and BluRay sale decreases for every week the pirates get to make copies.

My main support goes to Disney due to the fact that they have informed the cinemas about the sitaution a month in advance (or maybe more).

I just cross my fingers that the danish cinemas do not follow the british and dutch ones

[pink_danio]

oh i hope not i really wanted to see this.
I just watched the original one yesterday

[smurfy74]

id like to see a cinema show me which films they are showing 12 weeks after launch!!!!!!!!!!!! near enough none I guess - if you dont get in quick you normally miss it!

[Javey74]

I'd have to agree with Disney about the 8 week revenue boom, a lot of cinemas take films off after about two months anyway for this very reason, sometimes even after a month depending. I'd say most people who want to watch a new film will have seen it within a month of it coming out on the big screen anyway..  :roll:

Seems to me as though it's more the Cinema's panicking about their own revenues on less people being there because of the earlier shut off period to buy those extra side orders and popcorn, not just tickets. Have you seen how much they charge for that stuff, talk about making money elsewhere.  :roll:  :roll:

[Patrick]

I personally believe this would be a great investment on Disney's part and the anti-piracy lot at the BBFC, after all so many people are choosing pirate copies these days, and is it any wonder with cinema prices being so staggering, even wanted to try a new odeon in the north of England on Saturday, £10 for one ticket.  This move should be understood by cinemas, and to be honest I believe it is ridiculous that the major chains are boycotting one of the highest anticipated films of the year.  Oh well, at least here in Aberdeen, I can see it at the extremely cheap independent cinema for £3.70.

[smurfy74]

we have an independent cinema here in Eastbourne but they dont have 3D which kinda sucks as this was the first film my 80+ year old grandparents wanted to watch in 3D. Our local cineworld also has it as coming soon so hopefully they will show it and they have 3D so im keeping my fingers crossed. [-o<  [-o<  [-o<  [-o<  [-o<  [-o<  [-o<