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[davewasbaloo]

Agreed. It also makes me nervous about what might happen to Ratatouille. My understanding was they were going to build the Mystic Manor and Rat ride systems at the same time to save money. Scary thought.

About HKDL, this was the main reason I wanted to go. Not so compelling now.

[dagobert]

I just read your comments about the budget cuts and the effect they can have on Ratatouille on Micechat. I really, really hope that you aren't right, that Disney will also make budget cuts on Ratatouille and that the trackless ridesystem will stay.
But wouldn't an omnimoover-system be better, because it can handle more guests, or am I wrong on this?

[davewasbaloo]

Well it is true that an omni mover could handle more people quickly, so that would be a godsend, but Pooh's Hunny Hunt is amazing. I am not sure of it's capacity though.

[CafeFantasia]

Could this have an affect on our Ratatouille ride? What if Disney were doing a two-for-one on the trackless ride system, with Mystic Manor and Ratatouille both using it?

[dagobert]

Could this have an affect on our Ratatouille ride? What if Disney were doing a two-for-one on the trackless ride system, with Mystic Manor and Ratatouille both using it?

That's the reason why I think it doesn't look good for Ratatouille. But at the moment it is just a rumour and hopefully it is really just a rumour.

If you look at other forums, all want to get rid of TSPL in HKDL, but not Disney. Disney wants to create cheap rides with horrible ride capacity. Why does it have to get built in a Magic Kingdom style park? Please Disney axe TSPL, it shouldn't get built in Disneyland, and use the money for the ride system of Mystic Manor. Mystic Manor is the only attraction currently built that gives me hope that WDI can do better than TSPL. Okay the attractions built in DCA are also fine.

After seeing all the concept arts of MM I would be disappointed if it will be another clone of HM, although HM/PM is one of my favorite Disney attractions.

[Malin]

I have to say I am very angry and disappointed to read about possible budget cuts to the Mystic Manor project. Its very difficult to form an opinion on something like this when the rumour originally started by the folk over on LaughingPlace.com and doesn't state what sort of budget cuts are being talked about. If Disney are looking at wanting to cut the trackless system for a omnimover-system that may not be such a bad move. Looking at the train wreck from last weeks opening of TSPL with 120 minutes waits. HKDL may now realise how much of a flawed concept this land actually is on crowds. While I tend to favour the choice of scrapping TSL at Hong Kong. I would imagine the carni rides were ordered in bulk to save on cost and the parts are waiting for shipment to Hong Kong. So it maybe to late to pull back on TSL unfortunately  It may be that the park is needing a ride system that can handle thousands in an hour and not just hundreds. I really hope no cuts are being made on the show scenes or theming.

I do have another fear being that Mystic Point was scheduled to open last out of the three expansion areas. A Imagineer explained to me that Mystic would be last to open because it was the most technically advance attraction out of the three. It could be that Management are cutting back in order to get this attraction open sooner rather than later. Is the park concern with the negative press the Asian Media will give Toy Story Land and want to rush development on Mystic Point. Remember the global media have been far more critical on this park than what European counterparts currently seem to be on Disneyland Paris.

[DopeyDad]

I'm not sure how far concerns over media coverage would influence a decision like this, has there been any particularly negative media coverage of the Paris TSPL?

[Malin]

The European media seem to take a much softer approuch when it comes to Disneyland Paris and its new offerings. Look at the Studios park. It has rarely seen a bad word said against it in the press, despite its poor theming and weak offerings. The same can not be said for Hong Kong Disneyland which has faced harsh criticism over its poor attendance, size and limited attractions. Media coverage has calmed down for now. But all eyes are waiting for the park to finish expansion. Toy Story Land is possibly the most cheap and tacky crap Disney has come up with in a while. And 120 minute waits will not go down well with either Guests or the Media. Especially since attendance at the park is slowly improving, thanks to the special events put on though out the year.

[dagobert]

The European media seem to take a much softer approuch when it comes to Disneyland Paris and its new offerings. Look at the Studios park. It has rarely seen a bad word said against it in the press, despite its poor theming and weak offerings. The same can not be said for Hong Kong Disneyland which has faced harsh criticism over its poor attendance, size and limited attractions. Media coverage has calmed down for now. But all eyes are waiting for the park to finish expansion. Toy Story Land is possibly the most cheap and tacky crap Disney has come up with in a while. And 120 minute waits will not go down well with either Guests or the Media. Especially since attendance at the park is slowly improving, thanks to the special events put on though out the year.

I'm too young to remember the media coverage for opening of DLP in 1992, but wasn't it very bad, especially in France? But you are right the coverage isn't bad at the moment or, like here in Austria, you don't here anything about the resort. If you are lucky you get a small report about the annual report and that's it.

There was a bigger report about the 15th birthday in 2007 in an Austrian Newspaper and it was positive, but there was nothing about TSPL. Maybe that's better anyways, because most people here think that DLRP is just for kids and if the media does an article about the carnival rides, people will never think DLP is for adults, too.

[Malin]

I'm too young to remember the media coverage for opening of DLP in 1992, but wasn't it very bad, especially in France?

Well I was quite young myself back during the early years, about 10-11 years old. But I do recall some very negative press for Disneyland Paris back in those days. Even in the United Kingdom things got quite ugly. But now days the only time the Resort is mentioned is during financial results. And even these are located in the small cuts of the business section. The last piece of negative press involved the recent unfortunate suicide's of some Cast Members. Which both the union and several media sources insinuated it was down to working conditions. Completely in poor taste in my view and disrespectful to both family and friends. Most of the press now days is fairly positive, except for a recent Independant article which I will share a link too in the right section.

[dagobert]

Screamscape.com has posted an interesting picture about the Grizzly Coaster:



I think that this will be a great attraction. It seems the the launch system n the middle of the ride will be similar to Rock'n'Roller Coaster and a part of the ride will be backwards.

http://www.screamscape.com/html/hong_ko ... eyland.htm

[davewasbaloo]

Hmmm, it does sound like fun, though it seems like far more of it is outside then I originally thought it would be. Hopefully it will be more highly themed than the outdoor secions of Expedition Everest.

[dagobert]

I think that the ride will be fun, but I wouldn't expect such a rich theming like BTM. The ride reminds me a bit of Maverick at Cedar Point. Maverick has a lunch system in the middle of the track, too, but it's not going backwards.

I liked EE a lot, it's my favorite Disney coaster. I was lucky enough to see a working Yeti. The Grizzyl coaster seems to have a bigger part of the ride that's going backwards. I can imagine that it us thrilling to go such a long distance backwards. Indiana Jones was a lot of fun backwards.

[dagobert]

The Nightmare Continues!!!!!!

Bennettshiu of Micechat.com has posted some pictures about the construction of HKDL's TSPL:







http://micechat.com/forums/hong-kong-di ... 1056436788

I'm so sorry for HKDL that these structures get built in the Disneyland Park. :shock:

[davewasbaloo]

Grrrrr. It is a bad enough view from Fantasyland, imagine how out if place it might look if you can see it from Mystic Point. Walt would be rolling in his grave.  :evil: