Most of us know that Pirates of the Caribbean has been scheduled to close for a big renovation as part of the Experience Enhancement Plan. Yesterday some interesting rumours appeared on a DLP Facebook fan page (Wonderful Disneyland).
So, brace yourselves and take everything with a big pinch of salt, because Captain Jack won't be the only big addition to the ride.
First of all, it's been revealed that the ride will close its doors on 9 January 2017 to reopen mid July. When it reopens, the following surprises await us:
- the Black Pearl will take shape on a new screen in the first scenes of the attraction where the moon is currently located. Various special effects such as mist will be added to the scene.
- the lift will receive projection mapping (bats, shadows of pirates, among other things...) for greater immersion.
- Captain Barbossa will be projected on a water screen just before the first descent leading to the attack of the fort.
- 2 last generation Audio-Animatronics of the infamous Jack Sparrow will arrive, one of which with a special effect successfully tested in Shanghai Disneyland.
- the swinging pirate will be permanently removed and be replaced by a screen / projection mapping on the entire length of the scene that represents an attack by pirates.
- the last scene before the caves will receive a projection mapping enhancing the effect of fire. In addition, a second water screen will be installed just before the 2nd descent.
- all existing Audio-Animatronics will be replaced or completely refurbished and Davy Jones will be added to the entrance of the caves replacing the skeleton at the helm.
- the sirens seen in the 4th movie will also be added in the form of projections in the waters of the caves.
- the treasure scene will be enhanced by projection mapping recreating the glitter of the spoils.
- music from the movies will be added to the ride.
- the boats will be refurbished and have security bars added, there will be renovation of some scenery, etc...
- the facade of the fort will be partially renovated and a new entrance sign will be installed mentioning the presence of Jack Sparrow.
- the queue outside will be repaved and various props will be added to strengthen the immersion.
- the Blue Lagoon restaurant will be renovated as well. A new menu will be introduced and new furniture will be added.
- finally, a new Jack Sparrow themed photolocation will arrive in a new area to the left of the Blue Lagoon.
So, what are your thoughts? Call me a purist, but as much as I like new technology being added to breathe new life to old rides, I'm not too keen on seeing so many elements from the movies being introduced. The Paris version of Pirates was the last one to keep the original design of the ride as envisioned by Walt Disney and his imagineers, so I am kinda sad that we're saying goodbye to it! Of course, it's been proved many times already that nowadays Disney Parks are more interested in pleasing casual visitors instead of old romantic fools such as myself.
Ive been on the one in florida after the refurb and it is fantastic! It becomes a longer ride as well! I think its good Paris are doing it because it also gets the younger generation into the POTC saga. Also with the new film Dead Men Tell No Tales coming out next May the park needs to bring the ride up to date. I have friends who work as CM's in Paris , even the guy that plays Jack Sparrow there cant wait for it because now a days so many young kids dont know who jack sparrow is funnily enough!
Quote from: msRavenswood on July 28, 2016, 08:35:15 AM
Most of us know that Pirates of the Caribbean has been scheduled to close for a big renovation as part of the Experience Enhancement Plan. Yesterday some interesting rumours appeared on a DLP Facebook fan page (Wonderful Disneyland).
So, brace yourselves and take everything with a big pinch of salt, because Captain Jack won't be the only big addition to the ride.
First of all, it's been revealed that the ride will close its doors on 9 January 2017 to reopen mid July. When it reopens, the following surprises await us:
- the Black Pearl will take shape on a new screen in the first scenes of the attraction where the moon is currently located. Various special effects such as mist will be added to the scene.
- the lift will receive projection mapping (bats, shadows of pirates, among other things...) for greater immersion.
- Captain Barbossa will be projected on a water screen just before the first descent leading to the attack of the fort.
- 2 last generation Audio-Animatronics of the infamous Jack Sparrow will arrive, one of which with a special effect successfully tested in Shanghai Disneyland.
- the swinging pirate will be permanently removed and be replaced by a screen / projection mapping on the entire length of the scene that represents an attack by pirates.
- the last scene before the caves will receive a projection mapping enhancing the effect of fire. In addition, a second water screen will be installed just before the 2nd descent.
- all existing Audio-Animatronics will be replaced or completely refurbished and Davy Jones will be added to the entrance of the caves replacing the skeleton at the helm.
- the sirens seen in the 4th movie will also be added in the form of projections in the waters of the caves.
- the treasure scene will be enhanced by projection mapping recreating the glitter of the spoils.
- music from the movies will be added to the ride.
- the boats will be refurbished and have security bars added, there will be renovation of some scenery, etc...
- the facade of the fort will be partially renovated and a new entrance sign will be installed mentioning the presence of Jack Sparrow.
- the queue outside will be repaved and various props will be added to strengthen the immersion.
- the Blue Lagoon restaurant will be renovated as well. A new menu will be introduced and new furniture will be added.
- finally, a new Jack Sparrow themed photolocation will arrive in a new area to the left of the Blue Lagoon.
So, what are your thoughts? Call me a purist, but as much as I like new technology being added to breathe new life to old rides, I'm not too keen on seeing so many elements from the movies being introduced. The Paris version of Pirates was the last one to keep the original design of the ride as envisioned by Walt Disney and his imagineers, so I am kinda sad that we're saying goodbye to it! Of course, it's been proved many times already that nowadays Disney Parks are more interested in pleasing casual visitors instead of old romantic fools such as myself.
I do think POTC currently looks a little outdated so if these refurbishments are true, then I welcome them. I think it's high time Paris rivalled International Disney Parks, particularly the American ones. Fingers crossed that they do keep the classic feel and it doesn't become too much like Shanghai's (super cool but not classic at all) but overall I'm glad for the changes :D
At its best, the Paris version was much better than California or Florida - even after their "upgrades". Unfortunately it had been badly maintained and, as with so many rides in Paris, we used to play the "spot what's not working" game.
These rumours seem to suggest that they're replacing good (but often not working) effects with projected films, which sounds a bit of a cop out.
I would rather they just fix what wasn't working.
OMG, OMG, SQUEEEEEEELLLLLLL
this sounds AMAZING. I so cant wait for all the upgrades, and my Captain Jack will finally be in Paris :D :D
I knew it would be closed for at least 6 months, so Im planning my next visit for 2018, so that when I go it will defiantly be open.
Sounds pretty cool.
Sounds good!
Quote from: msRavenswood on July 28, 2016, 08:35:15 AM
- 2 last generation Audio-Animatronics of the infamous Jack Sparrow will arrive, one of which with a special effect successfully tested in Shanghai Disneyland.
Are you talking about where you see the skeleton that transforms into Captain Jack Sparrow?
That's the one they're most probably referring to.
I'm with you Ms Ravenswood, I prefer to keep the original attraction. I don't mind the inclusion of some projection mapping, but I don't care for more 'screenz', to me it makes it feel more like watching video game than being on a traditional dark ride.
As for the addition of Cap'n Jack, I'm on the fence, I liked the films, but I don't want the whole attraction coverted to a "ride of the film" (which is how Shanghai's comes across). It should rather be, an attraction that a film was based on.
^^
My thoughts exactly!
I'm not really sure where I stand on this. I do love Pirates at DLP! But a lot of the time things don't tend to work as someone stated above me. It definitely needs refurbished but whether adding screens is the right move...well only time will tell!
Trying to stay on the positive side, if these additions do come to pass, it will make our version of the attraction even more unique. It does sound like it will be a sort of hybrid between the updated US versions (with the film characters) and also bringing in elements of the Shanghai attraction.
Although I'm still on the fence about it. I guess its one way to look at it....
My view of the whole POTC upgrade topic has always been that the Paris ride should be left alone, as it's now the last version on the planet that reflects Walt's original design. And that's sacred.
However!
I can't deny that the US versions, and especially now the Shanghai version, take it beyond anything that Paris can hope to achieve. In simple terms, they make our version look more than a little poor!
It's going to happen, so let's all just get on board (no pun intended) and embrace the change!!
I think it sounds brilliant!
My kids and I are huge fans of the movies and I can understand the Jack CM liking the changes - when we were there a few weeks ago he was wandering around and no one was even looking at him until we started squealing and squawking and begging for photos.
He sighed and rolled his eyes and said "be quick" ;D
The Jack CM is soooo good and very overlooked at present.
Don't get me wrong, I love Johnny Depp, the POTC movies are favourites in our home and we watch them quite frequently and from watching online videos I was amazed by the new Pirates ride in Shanghai, but their ride was primarily inspired by the movies with some details added to pay homage to the original ride, whereas the other four versions (Anaheim, Orlando, Tokyo & Paris) were the ones that inspired the movies.
Ideally, they should have kept the rides as they were and have a seperate attraction inspired by the movies. Of course this would cost them more money than just incorporating elements from the movies into the existing rides.
Anyway, we'll just have to way and see. As I said in my original post all these are rumours, not sure which ones will actually happen and what the ride will look like after the refurbishment.
"Disneyland is not a museum".
Quote from: mickey1980 on July 30, 2016, 12:17:52 PM
"Disneyland is not a museum".
Agreed, but I believe some things are better left untouched.
Quote from: mickey1980 on July 30, 2016, 12:17:52 PM
"Disneyland is not a museum".
I agree. Change is good, especially if it makes a ride like Pirates of the Caribbean seem brand new.
A change for changes sake is not always a great thing.
Quote from: Rocketeer on July 31, 2016, 06:52:54 PM
A change for changes sake is not always a great thing.
Is it really that though? I mean I remember my first visit in 2011, I was excited to go on and see Captain Jack and the like and I was only about 11 or 12 then, I was horribly disappointed that they weren't there. You cannot call a ride PIRATES OF THE CARRIBBEAN and then not have the characters from the movies, if the ride has a different name then its more do-able.
I think at the end of the day DLP have to focus on impressing the general public,not hardcore park goers like many on here that go yearly or more often than that even since that is where most of their money comes from, they have to move with the times and do things to impress people. Remember riding say Snow White or Pirates for the first time and having that "WOW" feeling, well that's what they need and for many people the ride as it is doesn't give them that. Shanghai's version DEFINITELY does, the Jack and skeleton effect, Davy Jones, battle scene etc. has that WOW factor for sure, Disneyland is always changing, Walt himself I think would be a little annoyed that some of his original rides (Snow White, Pinnochio etc.) have remained mostly unchanged since the 1950s...
Though I agree it's cool that POTC at dlp is the still like what Disney based the films on and now I appreciate that. I do also agree with mrpiggywinkles. Most people, especially young children don't realise it's actually the original and are upset with the lack of characters. The "captain jack fighting Will turner" (or meant to be) scene wasn't even there.
So I'm on both sides. I should definetely be refurbished and I think captain jack and other characters should be added. But I also think not too much should be done. like, I think they should keep the original music. ( and if it's too technical it will just keep breaking, like ratatouille, it broke at least once a day when I went)
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on August 01, 2016, 04:11:47 PM
You cannot call a ride PIRATES OF THE CARRIBBEAN and then not have the characters from the movies, if the ride has a different name then its more do-able.
But it was the movies that were based on the ride, not vice versa. The ride has been called The Pirates of the Caribbean since the very beginning, it's the rightful owner of the name and it doesn't need characters and elements from the movies to justify it.
^Agreed.
I guess it all depends on when you first went on the attraction - before or after the movies. It then has a bearing on what you think the attraction should include. (Think of it the same as "the best James Bond". We all have an opinion based on who portrayed him when we were growing up.)
As I have opined before (and as MsRavenswood said above me), the attraction is what the films are based on, not the other way around. Therefore it's focus should not be on the film characters. Should they be in the attraction? Reluctantly, yes but with the caveat that they are not the sole focus of the attraction.
I know I'm repeating myself, but does Phantom Manor need a Jim Evers AA? Why no Frank Walker AA in 'it's a small world'?
Trouble is these days, it seems that there is a perception (not soley confined to Burbank) that any attraction must have a character element to be entertaining. That's why 70% of EPCOT is no longer what it was. Same as why DCA's ToT is getting the most ludicrous overlay.
At the risk of sounding like the resident old fart, there were far less characters in attractions years ago and we all still had the most fantastic and magical time.
Quote from: ChipandDale99 on August 01, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Though I agree it's cool that POTC at dlp is the still like what Disney based the films on and now I appreciate that. I do also agree with mrpiggywinkles. Most people, especially young children don't realise it's actually the original and are upset with the lack of characters. The "captain jack fighting Will turner" (or meant to be) scene wasn't even there.
So I'm on both sides. I should definetely be refurbished and I think captain jack and other characters should be added. But I also think not too much should be done. like, I think they should keep the original music. ( and if it's too technical it will just keep breaking, like ratatouille, it broke at least once a day when I went)
All new rides break down a lot though. That's nothing new. When I went to Disneyland Paris in 2007, Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast was always breaking down.
I'm really enjoying this thread!
I read one post and agree with some of the points made, then read the next post with opposing views and also agree with some of the points.
I feel that the comment about the ludicrous ToT Guardians overlay sums it all up - I have concerns that the current Disney heads are taking the park theming down completely the wrong road. Of course, it could simply be that I just miss the point (the big picture, as it were). However, the POTC retheme shouldn't actually have to take place - as said above the films are based on the original ride, not vice versa. The only reason the DLP version now needs the upgrade is because compared to the others around the world it now looks lame (but only in relative terms).
Haha, I've just realised that because of the rumoured massive AP price hikes coming later this year, it's unlikely I'll be able to go again any time soon anyways!! So I'll just shut up now...!
Oh I'm so torn about this. I love the ride in its original form and on one hand think they would be better just ensuring that everything works as it should do. The animatronics have needed work for a while and there are always some missing.
At the same time I love the movies and am excited to see captain jack and the black pearl being introduced.
Overall I think I am quite excited to see the change but just hope it is conducted well, I need to see that the screens are well integrated into the existing set up so it is seamless. If they are not working at any point they may stand out as an eyesore.
If the pirates movie theme tune will be used that's great, it's exciting and will make a fun addition, but don't let it drown the subtle sounds of the original attraction, the quiet hums, the cannonballs, the dialogue - we want the redhead!
Did we have bats before on the lift, seem to recall them seemingly flying around? Maybe just my imagination from seeing their eyes!
Definately glad the upgrade is seeing better boat safety being prioritised. Jolts from other boats have sent us flying in the past and on one occasion one of the kids in our party got scared and wanted to jump over the top of the bars to sit with someone else - scary moment, has to hold him down sharpish. It was right on the cusp of the big dip!
Super excited about the meet and greet with captain jack, never seen him despite looking all over and would so love to!!!
Well all I know is I'm just super-excited about the anniversary year and we will hopefully all enjoy it whatever the final attraction does have when it re-opens whatever our opinions are, and kids and grown ups alike will also....maybe we are over-thinking it....opinions will differ but the main thing is the "Disney" experience carries on for us all..!
Quote from: disneymagic006 on August 02, 2016, 10:45:13 AM
Definately glad the upgrade is seeing better boat safety being prioritised. Jolts from other boats have sent us flying in the past and on one occasion one of the kids in our party got scared and wanted to jump over the top of the bars to sit with someone else - scary moment, has to hold him down sharpish. It was right on the cusp of the big dip!
Don't you kind of want it to send you flying out of your seat though? That's part of the fun.
Quote from: Holmey on August 02, 2016, 01:38:51 PM
Well all I know is I'm just super-excited about the anniversary year and we will hopefully all enjoy it whatever the final attraction does have when it re-opens whatever our opinions are, and kids and grown ups alike will also....maybe we are over-thinking it....opinions will differ but the main thing is the "Disney" experience carries on for us all..!
If the AP price hike goes ahead we won't be visiting during the 25th anniversary.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on August 02, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Don't you kind of want it to send you flying out of your seat though? That's part of the fun.
I agree! :P
Quote from: msRavenswood on August 01, 2016, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on August 01, 2016, 04:11:47 PM
You cannot call a ride PIRATES OF THE CARRIBBEAN and then not have the characters from the movies, if the ride has a different name then its more do-able.
But it was the movies that were based on the ride, not vice versa. The ride has been called The Pirates of the Caribbean since the very beginning, it's the rightful owner of the name and it doesn't need characters and elements from the movies to justify it.
I understand and I like the sentiment but you just can't do it nowadays, some people getting on that ride will almost certainly be disappointed not to see Captain jack or Barbosa etc. Especially kids who grew up with the movies. If they don't want the characters they could just change the ride name to...I dunno really, Pirates of the Seven Seas? :P Someone could come up with a better name.
IMO though it just can't stay as it is, characters have to go into it, I think the Anaheim version does this very well.
I would much rather see the Disneyland version be installed in the DLP POTC. The Shanghai Disneyland version is too much tech imo.
^And that's part of my worry about these updates. I'd rather see physical effects than some omnisphere screen.
However, I would add that projection mapping is a clever innovention and that can be added to the existing attraction without making too many changes.
Quote from: Rocketeer on August 03, 2016, 08:26:44 PM
However, I would add that projection mapping is a clever innovention and that can be added to the existing attraction without making too many changes.
I agree on that part, but I wouldn't like for them to use as much projection mapping as SDL do. The Jack Sparrow effect is good though.
I love the park and still consider it to be the most beautiful main park ever build.
But it stayed more or less the same since 1992. So these updates are long looong overdue.
Maybe because they never build any modern style additions people don't notice that basically all the rides are outdated.
^I agree for the most part. Some of the older attraction do show their age. However, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with Pirates - its still in top form depite the majority of it being a replica of something that's currently 49 years old.
And yes, perhaps the lack of new attractions with cutting edge tech (save for Remy L'aventure) does mean that they're not in direct comparison. However if an attraction has managed 5 decades without the need for constant renewal, then surely it doesn't need one?
Whilst I appreciate that there are a lot of people who nowadays only associate PotC with the movies, the fact remains that the ride existed first so why should it be changing it's name?
The really sad thing is though is that there are an awful lot of people who want the ride to remain in its original and purest form but nobody is listening to us :'( , Jack Sparrow is coming even though a great many do not want him. I love PotC but hate the movies and am already saddened that I am "losing" a dear friend. I sincerely hope that I can grow to at least tolerate the new version.
I pray that Phantom Manor is not turned into the "Eddie Murphy" show.
I am certainly not having a go at anyone on the forum as we are all entitled to express our opinions.
TTFN
I love the movies & love the ride. I don't mind Jack Sparrow being slotted in but I'm sorry I don't want to see it like Shanghai, that is just a lot of special effects & feel like a ride, refurb it, add some updated things but keep the basic of our POTC like it is :)
Quote from: tigger1974 on August 07, 2016, 08:51:53 PM
I pray that Phantom Manor is not turned into the "Eddie Murphy" show.
Don't worry, that film was nowhere near a hit to warrent that. The Benicio Del Torro 're-boot' (if it ever happens) might be a different story however.
:)
Quote from: Rocketeer on August 07, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
^I agree for the most part. Some of the older attraction do show their age. However, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with Pirates - its still in top form depite the majority of it being a replica of something that's currently 49 years old.
And yes, perhaps the lack of new attractions with cutting edge tech (save for Remy L'aventure) does mean that they're not in direct comparison. However if an attraction has managed 5 decades without the need for constant renewal, then surely it doesn't need one?
Have you been reading my mnd? ;D
Well you know what they say, great minds think alike! ;D
And I should add that I view the Mansion/Manor in the same bracket as Pirates. It's made it this far without chaning for the sake of it.
Of course, small tech upgrades wouldn't go a miss. The Hatbox Ghost is a clever addition - in fact a perfect example of how to add to the attraction without taking away the brilliant simplicity of the attraction effects.
There are so many effects at PM that if upgraded the ride will look even more awesome! Imagine having a Phantom AA using the Hatbox Ghost technology!
Quote from: msRavenswood on August 09, 2016, 06:25:09 AM
There are so many effects at PM that if upgraded the ride will look even more awesome! Imagine having a Phantom AA using the Hatbox Ghost technology!
That does sound pretty good!
Great idea. And it means that something new is added to the attraction without cloning an existing element from elsewhere.
How confident are we that it won't reopen until mid July? All literature I've seen says it will reopen in summer. I'm going to DLP for the very first time next year and was wanting to go in late June. But I will change my plans completely if there is no chance that it will reopen by then.
I so love this ride. I really hope they don't over do it and take the rustic adventure away with too many hi tec stuff added. Really gutted this will be closed though for my next visit in Feb next year, my family will miss this ride.
I hope they don't tech it as much as the Shanghai version.
Via ED92
QuoteTony Baxter (Senior Vice President, Walt Disney Imagineering Creative Development) confirmed at a conference at the "Contemporary Hotel" of Walt Disney World that Disneyland® Paris is currently working on an update on the famous scene Duelists who have been absent for many months in Pirates of the Caribbean.
More generally, the whole attraction will be re-imagined in 2017 for an even more immersive experience to discover in July of the same year.
Interesting...
Havent they previously mentioned water projections like they use in Disney Dreams?
Quote from: RockNRoller on November 20, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Havent they previously mentioned water projections like they use in Disney Dreams?
The other PotC rides have this, so wouldn't be surprised.
Something about Barbossa or Davey Jones projected near the first lift section rings a bell.
I suppose its possible something from PotC V 'Dead Men Tell No Tales' could be added.
Then again, when was the last time that Paris was ahead of the game on such things?
EDIT: With the exception of the first Parks appearence of Moana of course.
Quote from: RockNRoller on November 20, 2016, 03:17:43 PM
Something about Barbossa or Davey Jones projected near the first lift section rings a bell.
Yes there is a projection on a water curtain but nothing that adds real value to the ride.
This is a little OT, but I think this can be of some relavence.
I've posted this in the World subforum, but.... if this is the kind of detail in AA that Glendale can do now, what can they do with the Duelling Pirates?
And, the Anna and Elsa AAs in Frozen Ever After are the first electronic ones (not hydraulic) so the times they are a changin'
https://youtu.be/FInYxXpbJMg
Quote from: Rocketeer on November 20, 2016, 07:25:23 PM
This is a little OT, but I think this can be of some relavence.
I've posted this in the World subforum, but.... if this is the kind of detail in AA that Glendale can do now, what can they do with the Duelling Pirates?
And, the Anna and Elsa AAs in Frozen Ever After are the first electronic ones (not hydraulic) so the times they are a changin'
https://youtu.be/FInYxXpbJMg
Oh that is just incredible, whether or not we'd have the budget...who knows. I'd worry though that they'd look out of place if they were this good in comparison to the rest of the ride, if we updated all the animatronics (we'll have to at some point anyways to stay relevant) I'd be all for it
FYI - I have just rung to book in August.
CM mentioned POTC being down.
I said I thought it was going to be up and running again by mid July.
She said there is talk it could be down for the year!
Slightly ::) as family wanted to eat in Blue Lagoon! :'(
Quote from: tubbsy on January 26, 2017, 08:12:03 PM
FYI - I have just rung to book in August.
CM mentioned POTC being down.
I said I thought it was going to be up and running again by mid July.
She said there is talk it could be down for the year!
Slightly ::) as family wanted to eat in Blue Lagoon! :'(
Oh no. I hope that's not the case. We've booked end of July and POTC is one of our favourites. Was gutted that they shut it for our 2005 visit. It's one you really miss! Fingers crossed they stick to the July plan
Quote from: Rocketeer on November 20, 2016, 07:25:23 PM
This is a little OT, but I think this can be of some relavence.
I've posted this in the World subforum, but.... if this is the kind of detail in AA that Glendale can do now, what can they do with the Duelling Pirates?
And, the Anna and Elsa AAs in Frozen Ever After are the first electronic ones (not hydraulic) so the times they are a changin'
What can they do with the dueling pirates? I sadly believe they will be replaced by Jack Sparrow - They probably don't have the time or money to replace them with highly advanced and reliable AA's, and since the Jack Sparrow figures have already been developed, I have no doubt one of them will take a position in their former spot :(.
No!! We went 5 years ago and it was closed then, going again next Month and will be missing it again :'(
Quote from: Beatles on February 07, 2017, 04:06:58 PM
No!! We went 5 years ago and it was closed then, going again next Month and will be missing it again :'(
Sorry you will be missing it again. However, it's been known since forever that it would be closed for a very long tome.
Quote from: Mtlchuck on February 05, 2017, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: Rocketeer on November 20, 2016, 07:25:23 PM
This is a little OT, but I think this can be of some relavence.
I've posted this in the World subforum, but.... if this is the kind of detail in AA that Glendale can do now, what can they do with the Duelling Pirates?
And, the Anna and Elsa AAs in Frozen Ever After are the first electronic ones (not hydraulic) so the times they are a changin'
What can they do with the dueling pirates? I sadly believe they will be replaced by Jack Sparrow - They probably don't have the time or money to replace them with highly advanced and reliable AA's, and since the Jack Sparrow figures have already been developed, I have no doubt one of them will take a position in their former spot :(.
Well, If they are going to do the same as in the American versions The Jack figure will be in the barrel behind the pooped pirate. I don't think they would remove such an iconic element from the Paris POTC then again I never thought they would touch Tower of Terror. Personally, I find it really sad that the last version of the Pirates Ride to be spared from the commercialization that the others have all suffered will now be commercialized as well. Also( assuming there are 3 Sparrow AA's as in America and Tokyo) how are they going to add the Jack Treasure Room Scene due to the reversed structure of the DLP Version.
Quote from: PMF on February 15, 2017, 08:01:36 AM
Quote from: Mtlchuck on February 05, 2017, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: Rocketeer on November 20, 2016, 07:25:23 PM
This is a little OT, but I think this can be of some relavence.
I've posted this in the World subforum, but.... if this is the kind of detail in AA that Glendale can do now, what can they do with the Duelling Pirates?
And, the Anna and Elsa AAs in Frozen Ever After are the first electronic ones (not hydraulic) so the times they are a changin'
What can they do with the dueling pirates? I sadly believe they will be replaced by Jack Sparrow - They probably don't have the time or money to replace them with highly advanced and reliable AA's, and since the Jack Sparrow figures have already been developed, I have no doubt one of them will take a position in their former spot :(.
Well, If they are going to do the same as in the American versions The Jack figure will be in the barrel behind the pooped pirate. I don't think they would remove such an iconic element from the Paris POTC then again I never thought they would touch Tower of Terror. Personally, I find it really sad that the last version of the Pirates Ride to be spared from the commercialization that the others have all suffered will now be commercialized as well. Also( assuming there are 3 Sparrow AA's as in America and Tokyo) how are they going to add the Jack Treasure Room Scene due to the reversed structure of the DLP Version.
Not happy with whole Jack and Co. thing either... As for the treasure room, perhaps they could do a reverse version of the Shanghai effect where Jack from human becomes a skeleton.
Quote from: msRavenswood on February 15, 2017, 08:09:53 AM
Quote from: PMF on February 15, 2017, 08:01:36 AM
Quote from: Mtlchuck on February 05, 2017, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: Rocketeer on November 20, 2016, 07:25:23 PM
This is a little OT, but I think this can be of some relavence.
I've posted this in the World subforum, but.... if this is the kind of detail in AA that Glendale can do now, what can they do with the Duelling Pirates?
And, the Anna and Elsa AAs in Frozen Ever After are the first electronic ones (not hydraulic) so the times they are a changin'
What can they do with the dueling pirates? I sadly believe they will be replaced by Jack Sparrow - They probably don't have the time or money to replace them with highly advanced and reliable AA's, and since the Jack Sparrow figures have already been developed, I have no doubt one of them will take a position in their former spot :(.
Well, If they are going to do the same as in the American versions The Jack figure will be in the barrel behind the pooped pirate. I don't think they would remove such an iconic element from the Paris POTC then again I never thought they would touch Tower of Terror. Personally, I find it really sad that the last version of the Pirates Ride to be spared from the commercialization that the others have all suffered will now be commercialized as well. Also( assuming there are 3 Sparrow AA's as in America and Tokyo) how are they going to add the Jack Treasure Room Scene due to the reversed structure of the DLP Version.
Not happy with whole Jack and Co. thing either... As for the treasure room, perhaps they could do a reverse version of the Shanghai effect where Jack from human becomes a skeleton.
That would undermine the tone and message of the Grotto sequence.
Quote from: tubbsy on January 26, 2017, 08:12:03 PM
FYI - I have just rung to book in August.
CM mentioned POTC being down.
I said I thought it was going to be up and running again by mid July.
She said there is talk it could be down for the year!
Slightly ::) as family wanted to eat in Blue Lagoon! :'(
I doubt they would have it closed for the entire 25th year. That wouldn't make any sense.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on March 11, 2017, 02:23:32 PM
Quote from: tubbsy on January 26, 2017, 08:12:03 PM
FYI - I have just rung to book in August.
CM mentioned POTC being down.
I said I thought it was going to be up and running again by mid July.
She said there is talk it could be down for the year!
Slightly ::) as family wanted to eat in Blue Lagoon! :'(
I doubt they would have it closed for the entire 25th year. That wouldn't make any sense.
There might be problems with the refurb, things can go wrong very easily - having worked in a refurb/building environment I know this from experience. So it not making sense being shut for the entire 25th year doesn't, well make sense!
The usually reliable ED92 said on Twitter today that it is due to reopen on July 14th as things currently stand.
Oh My! Claps hands excitedly - Puts Blue Lagoon back on our dining options ;)
Yes I know we are concerned about the refurb, but I cant wait to see it.
"Not happy with whole Jack and Co. thing either..." quote from msRavenswood on February 15 2017 08:09:53 am
Do people remember when the first film was released it said something along the lines of inspired by the beloved Disneyland attraction? Well the beloved attraction no longer exists! PotC was one of the last things overseen by Walt Disney personally and I think it is so sad that his original vision no longer exists.
The other sad thing is that a lot of people did not want the inclusion of Jack Sparrow into the ride but no one listened.
If PotC is open again when I visit in October I will ride it out of curiosity but I suspect it could be the last time.
I do understand that an awful lot of people are happy about the inclusion but as I said the film was meant to be based on the ride and the ride has, sadly, ceased to be :'(
TTFN
The original attraction turns 50 today.
Just a lil' random fact for you all. :)
Well, Happy Birthday POTC for yesterday!
I will still love you, even with plastic surgery!!
Having ridden the WDW renovation., it was OK, even with the new additions, but do you know what I missed? The drops. I love "Our" drops. You certainly don't get the thrill of that drop in WDW. We came off going, "yep, theming was cool. Can see why they did it as not everyone knows the original ride. In fact, we are probably in the minority. And most people, having seen the films, will wonder what this ride is actually about. But POTC DLP drops are WAY better."
I understand why people are fed up with the renovation, but I see why it was done too.
(BTW -DLP BTM? Way better than WDW BTM too ;) )
DLP just put up hours for July 1st on their calendar and Pirates of the Caribbean does NOT show up as being closed on refurbishment on that day. I wonder if the original July 1st date is back on track for the targeted reopening date?
Unfortunately they have added POTC to the list of closed attractions in July. The calendar only goes up to July 3rd right now, but they have put it back on the list.
Super fingers crossed that it is back open asap. Anxiously waiting the closures list for 27th July onwards.
Pirates is our no.1 family favourite
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on April 06, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Let's get Cinemagique back too:
https://www.change.org/p/disneyland-paris-save-cinemagique-from-disneyland-paris-closure
You're spamming (again). This discussion is about POTC not Cinemagique closing.
OT: Tony Baxter hinted in recent interviews that they are adding some really amazing effects. Fingers crossed for some projection or pepper-ghost effects. :o Although seeing the ride in full operation condition is spectacular enough.
Quote from: mickey1980 on April 06, 2017, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on April 06, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Let's get Cinemagique back too:
https://www.change.org/p/disneyland-paris-save-cinemagique-from-disneyland-paris-closure
You're spamming (again). This discussion is about POTC not Cinemagique closing.
OT: Tony Baxter hinted in recent interviews that they are adding some really amazing effects. Fingers crossed for some projection or pepper-ghost effects. :o Although seeing the ride in full operation condition is spectacular enough.
If things go according to plan it's due to open on the very last day of my holiday so I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
But yes it does sound like they're doing more than just a refurb and add Jack Sparrow. Obviously they can't go a full Shanghai on it but adding some extra effects will really give it added re-ride value. And hopefully they're using the new style animatronics which are amazing in themselves. Looking forward to it!
Saving Cinemagique may be important to you, IMO this attraction is dated. I didn't even bother watching it during my last visits. Every once in a while an attraction has run its course. That's it.
Over and out.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on April 08, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: Slimy yet satisfying on April 08, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Keep to the posted topic please
Sign the petition: https://www.change.org/p/disneyland-paris-save-cinemagique-from-disneyland-paris-closure
Now that's just silly. You don't exactly endear your cause to people by doing such things. In fact, you make them far less likely to sign.
Back on topic properly: more places are reporting it will reopen on July 14th. The closures for that date should be on the site soon enough so I guess we'll see!
I am looking forward to the ride opening again...shame I will have to wait for New Year tho'. Never mind I think that it is worth waiting for.
Quote from: mickey1980 on April 06, 2017, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on April 06, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Let's get Cinemagique back too:
https://www.change.org/p/disneyland-paris-save-cinemagique-from-disneyland-paris-closure
You're spamming (again). This discussion is about POTC not Cinemagique closing.
Indeed, I'm sorry to say this repeated posting of the petition link has done nothing but infuriate people, MickeyAteMyCap. We've given you the benefit of the doubt but it's clear these posts are not about to stop, so I'm going to do some tidying up and remove most of them (including some replies which won't make sense).
If you really want to continue promoting it, I suggest you create a topic in our Weblinks board: https://forum.dlpguide.com/index.php?board=19.0
For what it's worth, and even saying this as the biggest CinéMagique fan - it's a lost cause. It's gone. Let's hope whatever comes in its place improves the park in some way beyond the confines of that once-magical movie theatre.
Well let's hope this new iteration of Pirates manages to balance the old and the new without much issue.
I think I'll remain one of those purists who prefers the original though.
The current reopening date is set at July 24th although it may soft open before this.
So excited they are looking at opening July 24th. We will arrive on 28th and it's our family favourite - all 12 of the travelling party love this one.
Still have fingers crossed the refurbishment doesn't run over as I know what these things can be like.
Brilliant news though, got worried when it was rumoured to open September
Quote from: Rocketeer on April 10, 2017, 04:58:44 PM
Well let's hope this new iteration of Pirates manages to balance the old and the new without much issue.
I think I'll remain one of those purists who prefers the original though.
How do you know that until you've done it? Or are you just determined to prefer the original no matter how good the refurbished version may be?
Saw that Jonny Depp did a surprise appearance at wdw actually inside the ride in full costume...Oooh that would be a nice surprise on opening day!
It would be amazing!
I keep following every thread about this.
Not only am I huge POTC fan but a Blue Lagoon fan! Cant wait for both to reopen
And whatever has been done, I will be happy, just to be back there.
Some details from Disney & More (via FB)
QuoteI've been told that the auction scene in the POTC ride at DLP ( with the auctioneer and the women put in auction ) will be deleted and changed for a new one, most probably for politically correct reasons ( in the days we're living, lt had to happen ). And if the new scene is okay they plan to change the scene too in the POTC rides in the U.S. I think that the pirate auctioneer and the main characters will probably stay but in a different kind of scene.
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DLP confirmed this morning that the great Blue Lagoon restaurant in Adventureland will have its name changed for "Captain Jack's - Restaurant des Pirates" ( "Captain Jack's Pirates Restaurant" ) when the POTC attraction will reopen next month.
Quote from: Rocketeer on June 16, 2017, 07:40:47 PM
Some details from Disney & More (via FB)
QuoteI've been told that the auction scene in the POTC ride at DLP ( with the auctioneer and the women put in auction ) will be deleted and changed for a new one, most probably for politically correct reasons ( in the days we're living, lt had to happen ). And if the new scene is okay they plan to change the scene too in the POTC rides in the U.S. I think that the pirate auctioneer and the main characters will probably stay but in a different kind of scene.
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DLP confirmed this morning that the great Blue Lagoon restaurant in Adventureland will have its name changed for "Captain Jack's - Restaurant des Pirates" ( "Captain Jack's Pirates Restaurant" ) when the POTC attraction will reopen next month.
Both quite disappointing in my opinion!
First of all, why change something that has always been there? After all those years they decide that the auction scene needs to be replaced? It's a ride about pirates for God's sake, who lived centuries ago and that's what their life used to be like, whether some people like it or not! They might as well change the song because the lyrics talk about the sinful life pirates led!
Secondy, Blue Bayou in DL didn't change its name when Jack Sparrow appeared on the ride, why does DLP feel the need to do something so outrageous! Yes, it will attract more people since the movies are so popular, but the restaurant was popular either way! Blue Lagoon sounded classy, not sure about the new name. And most importantly, I don't think Captain Jack would ever own a restaurant, a place serving rum would be more possible, but then again, would Jack abandon his beloved Pearl and the seas to be a tavern owner? I think not! Boo to DLP, they seem to make the wrong decisions lately! Last thing I need to see is Phantom Manor turned into an abomination after its long refurbishment next year! >:(
I feel the same re the Blue Lagoon - it's utter nonsense to change the name, especially as the entire Pirates ride was originally due to be called the Blue Bayou Lagoon; alterations like this are infuriating - in fact they remind me of the scene in Santa Clause 3 where Frost has transformed everything at the North Pole simply because he thought the theming would be better.
Somehow I just can't stomach the idea of booking a romantic table for 2 at "Captain Jack's". Please...<sigh>
As for the auction scene - this IS the Pirates ride! The US parks still had it after their movie upgrades.
Maybe DLP feel it's not French enough to fit the current zeitgeist they're reflecting across the parks?
I am thinking the same thing...
At first I just thought I hope my booking for August for Blue Lagoon stand but now I am wondering if it's going to be a fast food restaurant...
'captain jacks' is a big no from me! It does not fit in with the level of restaurant that the Blue Lagoon is. Why do DLP think that changing what we have is a good thing. If things are working leave them alone.
Quote from: Zee79 on June 17, 2017, 02:15:35 PM
'captain jacks' is a big no from me! It does not fit in with the level of restaurant that the Blue Lagoon is. Why do DLP think that changing what we have is a good thing. If things are working leave them alone.
Obviously they don't think it's working for whatever reason. Maybe they're not happy with how often it's being used or the feedback they're getting about it. Unfortunately they don't make these things public.
I do think the park needs more family friendly restaurant spaces so perhaps this is part of the change - the menu is quite an acquired taste and whilst I would happily eat there, the people I've been with are always a bit put off by the menu. I think they may need to compromise a bit and have some simpler stuff too (particularly for the children's menu - my sister in law teaches 6 year olds and commented that the vast majority she'd met wouldn't eat much off it).
It's a previously unbranded restaurant that now has a pull that can now bring in visitors through the use of character association.
As long as the quality of food is still good then I don't see what the fuss is about!
Hard to disgaree with you there lunekid.
I'll admit, I'm not a fan of them rebranding it - but it does mean the sometimes forgotten restaurant (by Joe Public) will have a bit more prominance.
As for the Auction scene. Sure its not PC - I can't defend it on those grounds, so removing it was probably on the list for a long time. Although its managed to remain for 50 years...
All I hope is that they come up with something that is a worthy replacement. Quite how that looks, I can't answer, but so long as its not some goofy quick-fix scenario - and please... nothing film related in its place. There's enough of that in there now.
Quote from: Rocketeer on June 18, 2017, 11:10:59 AMAs for the Auction scene. Sure its not PC - I can't defend it on those grounds, so removing it was probably on the list for a long time. Although its managed to remain for 50 years...
All I hope is that they come up with something that is a worthy replacement. Quite how that looks, I can't answer, but so long as its not some goofy quick-fix scenario - and please... nothing film related in its place. There's enough of that in there now.
I never really considered it particularly un-pc myself and I'm a very fluffy lefty XD I think mostly because it's obviously accurate to the feel of the time. I will say however that a lot of the animatronics in PotC are very dated now so I won't be too sad to see many of them changed. When you look at the likes of Mystic Manor, you can see what's possible. I'd be happy to see the vast majority of the characters in the ride changed (not all to film characters!) for a totally refreshed ride experience.
Quote from: Rocketeer on June 16, 2017, 07:40:47 PM
DLP confirmed this morning that the great Blue Lagoon restaurant in Adventureland will have its name changed for "Captain Jack's - Restaurant des Pirates" ( "Captain Jack's Pirates Restaurant" ) when the POTC attraction will reopen next month.
Great idea. The restaurant needs to be more Pirates of the Caribbean-themed.
Two new concept art pictures emerged today, confirming the change in the Auction scene and the rumoured Barbossa scene in the skeleton caverns.
The Redhead will become the main character of the Auction scene as seen in the first picture.
As for the Barbossa scene, those of you who have watched the first POTC movie, you can probably guess what it will be about. I expect a spectacular effect, similar to the one used for Jack Sparrow at Shanghai's "Battle for the Sunken Treasure". I guess will find out soon!
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Read more about the new scenes on the official Disney Parks blog: disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2017/06/new-pirates-set-to-join-the-crew-of-pirates-of-the-caribbean-at-disneyland-paris-july-24/
I think all the new stuff sounds great. I agree the Barbossa scene sounds like the skeleton change scene which will be spectacular and obviously we're getting the fog screens too. Tbh both of these things are much more exciting than the Jack Sparrow addition!
I've seen quite a bit of complaining about the auction scene being changed but I don't agree with any of it - the replacement scene sounds and looks great and they're keeping the character in a new role.
Also there's a bit more about Captain Jack's as a restaurant. They've given it a story and apparently it has new decor and new costumes for the waiters. No word on a new menu but I'd be surprised if it didn't change a bit.
Quote from: claire2281 on July 01, 2017, 10:37:51 AM
Also there's a bit more about Captain Jack's as a restaurant. They've given it a story and apparently it has new decor and new costumes for the waiters. No word on a new menu but I'd be surprised if it didn't change a bit.
I saw this aswell changing from an island restaurant theme to more of a pirate tavern.
However I also saw a hint that captain jack may make appearances in the restaurant so another kind of character meal maybe?
I admit I was a big skeptical at first about the Auction scene, but now that more details have been revealed, I have no problem that they're changing it.
^I'm with you MsR, it seems like they plan to do the alterations in a sensible way that keeps with the original attraction raison d'etre without shoehorning in (or out) something just for the sake of it.
I could with less film characters in it though..
A little more information on the changes coming to Pirates, with concept art of the new scene replacing the auction.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/disneys-pirates-of-the-caribbean-ride-will-stop-selling-1796554071 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/disneys-pirates-of-the-caribbean-ride-will-stop-selling-1796554071)
Having Barbossa in the caves will mess up the morality tale Tony Baxter and Chris Tietz wanted to tell with the ride.
Quote from: PMF on July 03, 2017, 10:21:53 PM
Having Barbossa in the caves will mess up the morality tale Tony Baxter and Chris Tietz wanted to tell with the ride.
But he likely shows they're cursed by their actions. Also in the original film he dies in the treasure cave.
Quote from: claire2281 on July 01, 2017, 10:37:51 AM
I think all the new stuff sounds great. I agree the Barbossa scene sounds like the skeleton change scene which will be spectacular and obviously we're getting the fog screens too. Tbh both of these things are much more exciting than the Jack Sparrow addition!
Can't agree with that. I'm much more excited by Captain Jack being added to the ride.
The refurbishment can only be a good thing. It's great to see upgrades and new features instead of the same old stuff every year. Really looking forward to this in November
Quote from: claire2281 on July 04, 2017, 08:13:33 AM
Quote from: PMF on July 03, 2017, 10:21:53 PM
Having Barbossa in the caves will mess up the morality tale Tony Baxter and Chris Tietz wanted to tell with the ride.
But he likely shows they're cursed by their actions. Also in the original film he dies in the treasure cave.
When was the last time someone remained dead in a POTC movie?
I'll be in the park this weekend (July 15) and I'm totally bummed that POTC won't be open then, those changes all sound fantastic, I wish they'd be done with them a few days earlier... *sigh*
And here's the first video of the ride, courtesy of dlrpfans.
"https://www.youtube.com/embed/1BVLZENmHvw"
Ok, ok, first things first. Wow, wow, wow! What can I say about the awesomeness the revamped ride is! From the old animatronics that are working once more, the swinging pirate, the duelists and all those old scoundrels of the sea! The auction scene is cool and I believe it was executed without completely destroying the old scene. The Jack Sparrow animatronics, a-m-a-z-i-n-g!!! There were so many people complaining, when the first pictures emerged, that they look nothing like Johnny Depp. Hello??? They do look like JD and they are so much better than the ones they have in the US and Tokyo parks. The Barbossa animatronic, well that was cool! Totally different from the Shanghai effect and yet so awesome!
I admit I was skeptic at first because I thought the addition of Jack Sparrow would ruin the ride, but I've changed my mind. I can't wait for September to come so that I experience the ride myself.
I truly hope they do something similar with Phantom Manor. If they revamp the old animatronics like the POTC ones and add new effects and last generation AAs, it is guaranteed that PM will be breathtaking!
Just wanted to post the same video, but you beat me to it. Great stuff!
Now I really hope they'll "soft open" the refurbished ride this weekend and not keep it shut for 10 more days. It would be fantastic if we could experience the new ride in person on Saturday. Fingers crossed!
Quote from: andischatz on July 13, 2017, 11:23:28 AM
Just wanted to post the same video, but you beat me to it. Great stuff!
Now I really hope they'll "soft open" the refurbished ride this weekend and not keep it shut for 10 more days. It would be fantastic if we could experience the new ride in person on Saturday. Fingers crossed!
There is a soft opening this weekend for annual pass members. (Infinity, Dream or Magic Plus only)
Glad the swinging pirate is back - thought he'd gone for good. Also, "Monsieur Clickey" (the crab!) seems very animated.
Are the cats back? Does the chain work on the side of the lift hill?
It's the little touches we like.
Quote from: A&S&O on July 13, 2017, 01:47:17 PM
Glad the swinging pirate is back - thought he'd gone for good. Also, "Monsieur Clickey" (the crab!) seems very animated.
Are the cats back? Does the chain work on the side of the lift hill?
It's the little touched we like.
You can hear the cats meowing, I hope they are there. I have read that the lift chain works again. :D
The whole morality play angle has been ruined.
Loving the refurbishment. Capt jack singing is awesome
Not a big fan of change to classic attractions but this was well needed. DLP should be commended for this.
Quote from: PMF on July 13, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
The whole morality play angle has been ruined.
You do have a point here, but at least the biggest part of the ride has remained unchanged and has been enhanced.
Quote from: CentralPlazaPerson on July 13, 2017, 03:18:39 PM
Not a big fan of change to classic attractions but this was well needed. DLP should be commended for this.
"Change... needed" or refurbishment needed?
I'm all for refurbishment and change when it improves things. But some things they change offer no improvements and a good refurb would have been better.
Peter Pan was refurbed and looks terrific, Fantasia Gardens was changed, when all it needed was a refurb (it was much more interesting with the "stones" and without the gaudy lights).
Quote from: A&S&O on July 13, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: CentralPlazaPerson on July 13, 2017, 03:18:39 PM
Not a big fan of change to classic attractions but this was well needed. DLP should be commended for this.
"Change... needed" or refurbishment needed?
Disney apparently cannot do one without the other these days.
Thanks for posting the video MsR.
It looks great. The new auction scene looks like its been done well. In fact, unless you're a big Disney nerd (like us lot) you'd probably think it'd been like that since '67.
My French is rusty this evening, what is it they're shouting in the new scene? It sounds like 'un fois' from the Auctioneer, which is "one time" but that's about all I can get.
EDIT: Found this via CafeFantasia
«On veut des armes, comme la rouquine!»
«Ouais, comme la rouquine!»
"We wants guns, like the redhead!"
"Yeah, like the redhead!"
Hector Barbossa steals the show for me. I'm assuming he'll be unique to Paris?
Cap'n Jack is ok, I think I'd rather just have the one appearance though.
Quote from: A&S&O on July 13, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: CentralPlazaPerson on July 13, 2017, 03:18:39 PM
Not a big fan of change to classic attractions but this was well needed. DLP should be commended for this.
"Change... needed" or refurbishment needed?
I'm all for refurbishment and change when it improves things. But some things they change offer no improvements and a good refurb would have been better.
Peter Pan was refurbed and looks terrific, Fantasia Gardens was changed, when all it needed was a refurb (it was much more interesting with the "stones" and without the gaudy lights).
What we as Disney parks fans think is largely irrelevant though. It's the casual audience Disney must cater for. The ride is called "Pirates of the Carribbean", you expect to see Captain jack etc. when you ride if your a casual fan. Look at Shanghai's pirates and compare that to what we had (and what we still have) it is unmistakenly better, That ride is bloody mindblowing!
maybe it isn't as classic but Walt didn't intend the parks to become a Museum. Honestly I'd be OK with them completely overhauling Phantom Manor, Pirates, Pinnochio, Snow White etc. to modernize them. They are dated when you compare them to our newer attractions like Ratatouille or newer Disney attractions like Frozen Ever After. If not the whole rides I believe we should at least upgrade the animatronics to the level found in Frozen. Replacing statues with animatronics too.
Quote from: Rocketeer on July 13, 2017, 08:04:09 PM
Thanks for posting the video MsR.
It looks great. The new auction scene looks like its been done well. In fact, unless you're a big Disney nerd (like us lot) you'd probably think it'd been like that since '67.
My French is rusty this evening, what is it they're shouting in the new scene? It sounds like 'un fois' from the Auctioneer, which is "one time" but that's about all I can get.
EDIT: Found this via CafeFantasia
«On veut des armes, comme la rouquine!»
«Ouais, comme la rouquine!»
"We wants guns, like the redhead!"
"Yeah, like the redhead!"
Hector Barbossa steals the show for me. I'm assuming he'll be unique to Paris?
Cap'n Jack is ok, I think I'd rather just have the one appearance though.
Well, the second Jack Sparrow is a bit confusing, but I have come up with a theory. You're supposed to be dying during the explosion scene. And then you enter the caverns that are full of skeleton pirates, dead pirates, dead just like you. Barbossa is cursed so he's something between dead and living. And Jack Sparrow, well he either has finally found the way to stay alive forever or he is dead, but simply immortalized as the great Captain Jack Sparrow. ;D
I was lucky enough to get a go on the new version of the ride yesterday and I can safely say it's a FANTASTIC upgrade. It keeps the spirit of the original but brings it to the next level with some impressive animatronics and effects. It really feels like a super polish of the ride experience we already had. By far my favourite new bit is Barbossa but seeing the improved versions of the duelling pirates, the swinging pirate working properly, both cats back, the flame effect and the new Red Head is just joyous.
The only bad thing is it makes some of the old animatronics in the like of Snow White look REALLY dated - I hope at some point they get up dated too.
If they can do this to pirates I can't wait to see what they do to Phantom Manor!
Quote from: claire2281 on July 15, 2017, 12:41:28 PM
I was lucky enough to get a go on the new version of the ride yesterday and I can safely say it's a FANTASTIC upgrade. It keeps the spirit of the original but brings it to the next level with some impressive animatronics and effects. It really feels like a super polish of the ride experience we already had. By far my favourite new bit is Barbossa but seeing the improved versions of the duelling pirates, the swinging pirate working properly, both cats back, the flame effect and the new Red Head is just joyous.
The only bad thing is it makes some of the old animatronics in the like of Snow White look REALLY dated - I hope at some point they get up dated too.
If they can do this to pirates I can't wait to see what they do to Phantom Manor!
I agree! It's really a fantastic upgrade, the queue looks better than ever too.
Is there any news on the new menu for Captain Jacks yet?
I asked about the menu as we are going next week and have booked a table. I was told the menu and restaurant information will be online and over the phone from 24th July. Hope this helps!
Thanks Disneyfan 👍 Have a great time 😁
Quote from: BeautyandtheBeast on July 18, 2017, 12:09:28 PM
Is there any news on the new menu for Captain Jacks yet?
Here it is:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFFvqqLWsAElJqf.jpg)
We sat and (probably badly with our 30 year old French O level classes in mind and Google translate!) translated this last night.
I think we've made our choices :)
Son is refusing to call it Captain Jack's. I haven't told him of the changed on the ride ....
Let's not forget that the attraction was changed quite some time ago for PC reasons. The running / chasing ladies scene was changed.
Would love to hear from anyone eating there today? As I believe today is the official opening.
Quote from: A&S&O on July 20, 2017, 12:25:36 PM
Let's not forget that the attraction was changed quite some time ago for PC reasons. The running / chasing ladies scene was changed.
It was changed in Anaheim and Orlando not Paris. I have been trying for days to rationally justify Davy Jones, placement in the ride and the best explaination I can come up with is as in Anaheim that's the portal that takes you back in time. Of course the time travel concept might have been discarded thanks to Jack,s presence in the caves.
This is a very well done clip of the Pirates ride in Cali, it looks more or less like the one in Orlando when it was refurbished some 7 years ago. For those who already did the DLP new ride, is there any difference?
{Youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC61K7esx5w{/Youtube]
We've been at DLP since the Saturday before the official re-opening and first off - the improvements are amazing. Love the new music and special FX at the lift hill and the whole market scene is great.
However, this week the swinging pirate wasn't swinging anymore one day, the two chasing pairs just after the market scene stood still, as did the dueling pirates.
The swinging and chasing ones have been fixed but the dueling scene got closed off with a curtain yesterday.
I understand technology sometimes falters but it is really a shame this happens so quickly after such a long time of renovation.
(Similar: I must have been on BTM over a 100 times since it reopened but have never seen the smoke effect on the third hill).
Quote from: NCC1701Q on August 04, 2017, 09:53:38 AM
We've been at DLP since the Saturday before the official re-opening and first off - the improvements are amazing. Love the new music and special FX at the lift hill and the whole market scene is great.
However, this week the swinging pirate wasn't swinging anymore one day, the two chasing pairs just after the market scene stood still, as did the dueling pirates.
The swinging and chasing ones have been fixed but the dueling scene got closed off with a curtain yesterday.
I understand technology sometimes falters but it is really a shame this happens so quickly after such a long time of renovation.
(Similar: I must have been on BTM over a 100 times since it reopened but have never seen the smoke effect on the third hill).
It's frustrating but I do understand that until it's running 12 hours a day 7 days a week, you don't really know how it will hold up. They just don't test it in such a way that can replicate that. Unless there's a underlying issue (BtM, I'm looking at you), these issues normally get solved fairly quickly as they figure out what's vulnerable under long term use.
Quote from: NCC1701Q on August 04, 2017, 09:53:38 AM
We've been at DLP since the Saturday before the official re-opening and first off - the improvements are amazing. Love the new music and special FX at the lift hill and the whole market scene is great.
However, this week the swinging pirate wasn't swinging anymore one day, the two chasing pairs just after the market scene stood still, as did the dueling pirates.
The swinging and chasing ones have been fixed but the dueling scene got closed off with a curtain yesterday.
I understand technology sometimes falters but it is really a shame this happens so quickly after such a long time of renovation.
(Similar: I must have been on BTM over a 100 times since it reopened but have never seen the smoke effect on the third hill).
I think I read somewhere that new rides or renovations at Disney tend to break down more than old ones, which is interesting because you think it would be the other way round.
The additions are not as numerous as I expected. Everything new ties in very well with the rest. But is it just me or did the second drop become lower? I somehow remember it going deeper down and at a faster speed