Various fan sites are reporting on a rumour that DCA's and possibly WDS' Tower of Terror is going to be rethemed to a Guardian of the Galaxy attraction.
Via Disney & More and Screamscape:
QuoteSo far the idea is just a proposal... an incredibly insane idea, if you ask me. And this would be done to have a new Marvel themed attraction for Disney California Adventure and the Walt Disney Studios Paris parks.
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According to Screamscape, one theory that he heard "seems to try to use The Collector character (Benicio Del Toro) in a similar fashion to Lord Henry Mystic from Hong Kong Disneyland's Mystic Manor. Guests, passing through a vault of The Collectors' rare artifacts disturb something they shouldn't that sends them on a wild adventure."
Lance also heard that the concept "has been pitched as both a permanent change as well as just a temporary overlay over the existing attraction".
It is insane - I personally don't even see how the retheme would work on that sort of ride into a GotG or any other movie.
Let's hope it's just a rumour.
I've seen this on another forum as well and I really, really, really hope they don't do it!
Terrible idea!
This would actually make me want to go to the Tower of Terror. Guardians of the Galaxy is my favourite MCU film.
April fools is coming early this year. What a terrible idea.
Quote from: mickey1980 on March 23, 2016, 07:06:42 PM
April fools is coming early this year. What a terrible idea.
;D
I did have to check the calendar myself. I do wonder though if this was one of those suggestions that was supposed to be just that. They have no intention to actually do it, but they have to challenge themselves to see if/how they can.
Well here's hoping anyway...
I can see why they'd do it - attract more people to the park and ride itself.
Whilst I can't disagree on that, I think this rumour is more about them 'quickly' adding more Marvel into the parks - particularity the US ones.
DCA doesn't have much more room for expansion, whereas WDS' has plenty of room for all sorts of Marvel based attractions.
No................. Don't mess with one of the best themed rides in the park.
Not a marvel fan, don't like the idea, so as they say on dragons den, I am out
Paul
no... no retheme... thats not a good idea lol
To be honest, if they're going to use The Collector and the same premise as Mystic Manor, then why not build 'Guardians-Mystic Manor' in the Studios?
Quote from: Rocketeer on March 27, 2016, 01:38:06 PM
To be honest, if they're going to use The Collector and the same premise as Mystic Manor, then why not build 'Guardians-Mystic Manor' in the Studios?
Or make a dark Guardians of the Galaxy ride with animatronics telling the story of the first Guardians movie, complete with Awesome Mix Volume 1.
I think this rumour is possible for Disney's California adventure since their backlot is likely to become Marvel Land after Star Wars land is finished construction and Tower of Terror's placement means it wouldn't fit thematically. But here there is no chance of this happening.
Think about it, even before WDSP was opened the Tower was planned to be the centrepiece of the park, much like the castle in the main park, it'd look weird to have a Marvel ride there. ToT fits the theme of the park better, is much more iconic and has much more staying power than Guardians of the Galaxy. Not to mention DLP doesn't have the budget and would rather spend it elsewhere.
I still think marvel is Backlot bound and as such it would be silly to have the Tower also be marvel.
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on April 05, 2016, 02:55:33 PM
I think this rumour is possible for Disney's California adventure since their backlot is likely to become Marvel Land after Star Wars land is finished construction and Tower of Terror's placement means it wouldn't fit thematically. But here there is no chance of this happening.
Think about it, even before WDSP was opened the Tower was planned to be the centrepiece of the park, much like the castle in the main park, it'd look weird to have a Marvel ride there. ToT fits the theme of the park better, is much more iconic and has much more staying power than Guardians of the Galaxy. Not to mention DLP doesn't have the budget and would rather spend it elsewhere.
I still think marvel is Backlot bound and as such it would be silly to have the Tower also be marvel.
Personally, I don't see the Tower as Walt Disney Studio's castle. It doesn't have that iconography to me.
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Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on April 05, 2016, 02:55:33 PM
I think this rumour is possible for Disney's California adventure since their backlot is likely to become Marvel Land after Star Wars land is finished construction and Tower of Terror's placement means it wouldn't fit thematically. But here there is no chance of this happening.
Think about it, even before WDSP was opened the Tower was planned to be the centrepiece of the park, much like the castle in the main park, it'd look weird to have a Marvel ride there. ToT fits the theme of the park better, is much more iconic and has much more staying power than Guardians of the Galaxy. Not to mention DLP doesn't have the budget and would rather spend it elsewhere.
I still think marvel is Backlot bound and as such it would be silly to have the Tower also be marvel.
Personally, I don't see the Tower as Walt Disney Studio's castle. It doesn't have that iconography to me.
People may not see it that way, certainly it isn't as iconic but I do think that is the intention, look at how it looms over the hub for example, not sure about WDSP but I know that Disney's Hollywood studios in Florida has began using it instead of their old hat symbol on merchandise like the Animal kingdom uses that big tree or EPCOT uses Spaceship earth.
Not to mention there are rumours of seasonal projection shows on the Tower coming soon, which reinforces my idea here.
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Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on April 05, 2016, 02:55:33 PM
I think this rumour is possible for Disney's California adventure since their backlot is likely to become Marvel Land after Star Wars land is finished construction and Tower of Terror's placement means it wouldn't fit thematically. But here there is no chance of this happening.
Think about it, even before WDSP was opened the Tower was planned to be the centrepiece of the park, much like the castle in the main park, it'd look weird to have a Marvel ride there. ToT fits the theme of the park better, is much more iconic and has much more staying power than Guardians of the Galaxy. Not to mention DLP doesn't have the budget and would rather spend it elsewhere.
I still think marvel is Backlot bound and as such it would be silly to have the Tower also be marvel.
Personally, I don't see the Tower as Walt Disney Studio's castle. It doesn't have that iconography to me.
People may not see it that way, certainly it isn't as iconic but I do think that is the intention, look at how it looms over the hub for example, not sure about WDSP but I know that Disney's Hollywood studios in Florida has began using it instead of their old hat symbol on merchandise like the Animal kingdom uses that big tree or EPCOT uses Spaceship earth.
Not to mention there are rumours of seasonal projection shows on the Tower coming soon, which reinforces my idea here.
That would be good, so long as they have it last longer than two minutes and it covers all four seasons.
According to MiceAge, the rumour is true. However, this has yet to be officialy confirmed, so for now its best to be thought of as still just a rumour.
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Elsewhere in DCA, a wild rumor got out earlier this spring about a plan to remake Tower of Terror into a Guardians of the Galaxy ride. We can tell you that the Guardians of the Galaxy rumor is true, and TDA's executive suite was furious when the rumor leaked out from Glendale-based sources. The plan is for the original Twilight Zone backstory to be removed entirely, and replaced with an all new show based around the Collector character from the Guardians movie franchise. WDI had been testing and experimenting with the new show in the elevators for months and the Tower of Terror hourly CM's were all aware of what WDI had been cooking up since this winter.
/film are also reporting it as 'true'.
Quote...sadly it seems like there may be truth to this rumor after all. I have since spoken to two separate sources who have corroborated the rumor, and a reliable Disney rumor site is now reporting it's true.
however, they are also speculating on more than just adding The Collector.
QuoteI has also heard from another source that the ride could be re-themed after the industrial space jail that the Guardians escape from in the first film. The boiler room queue room could be more easily remodeled to resemble this space prison, and remember that the Guardians escaped in a square room that could resemble the ride's elevator vehicle. Again, re-doing a ride to call back to the first film in a series is probably not the best for long-term plans.
http://www.slashfilm.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-ride/
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At the moment, its only for DCA, but given that La ToT is a clone of the Californian one, its not out of the realms of posibility that it'll happen at WDS.
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 03, 2016, 10:00:48 PM
According to MiceAge, the rumour is true. However, this has yet to be officialy confirmed, so for now its best to be thought of as still just a rumour.
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Elsewhere in DCA, a wild rumor got out earlier this spring about a plan to remake Tower of Terror into a Guardians of the Galaxy ride. We can tell you that the Guardians of the Galaxy rumor is true, and TDA's executive suite was furious when the rumor leaked out from Glendale-based sources. The plan is for the original Twilight Zone backstory to be removed entirely, and replaced with an all new show based around the Collector character from the Guardians movie franchise. WDI had been testing and experimenting with the new show in the elevators for months and the Tower of Terror hourly CM's were all aware of what WDI had been cooking up since this winter.
/film are also reporting it as 'true'.
Quote...sadly it seems like there may be truth to this rumor after all. I have since spoken to two separate sources who have corroborated the rumor, and a reliable Disney rumor site is now reporting it's true.
however, they are also speculating on more than just adding The Collector.
QuoteI has also heard from another source that the ride could be re-themed after the industrial space jail that the Guardians escape from in the first film. The boiler room queue room could be more easily remodeled to resemble this space prison, and remember that the Guardians escaped in a square room that could resemble the ride's elevator vehicle. Again, re-doing a ride to call back to the first film in a series is probably not the best for long-term plans.
http://www.slashfilm.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-ride/
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At the moment, its only for DCA, but given that La ToT is a clone of the Californian one, its not out of the realms of posibility that it'll happen at WDS.
I still think that due to its positioning within the park and since it is really the icon of the park that we won't get this, not to mention it'd be hilariously out of place given the area around it is a movie studio, in DCA their backlot is likely to become a Marvel land soon but there is no way Production Courtyard will become Marvelland although our backlot might. I could see them dropping the Twilight Zone from it and making it more like the Hong Kong or Tokyo one, whichever is the Hotel Hightower and has no twilight zone present.
^I agree, the Tokyo version of the plot is very adaptable - even for WDS. Harrison Hightower can easily become a movie mogul of that bygone golden era of Hollywood.
And I guess for once the location of the WDS' Tower has actually proved itself worthwhile. ;)
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 05, 2016, 03:53:49 PM
^I agree, the Tokyo version of the plot is very adaptable - even for WDS. Harrison Hightower can easily become a movie mogul of that bygone golden era of Hollywood.
And I guess for once the location of the WDS' Tower has actually proved itself worthwhile. ;)
Indeed! The only things they'd have to really replace is the Twilight Zone theming, and given paris has no money anyways that'd be much cheaper than Guardians!
According to a recent Disney & More FB post..
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"Don't believe the WDW Guardians rumors. My people involved with the project in California say it's total crap, there was zero talk of doing a Florida version beyond a discussion of "if" it was possible.
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Right now the plan is only for California... And Paris is a maybe, depending on how well film does and how they want to do Marvel in Paris.
What do they mean depending how well the film does? Has Guardians of the Galaxy somehow not been released in Paris yet?
^I'm assuming its referring to Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. - due for release 26th April '17.
The first film didn't do too bad in France, taking US$19m.
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 15, 2016, 10:22:23 PM
^I'm assuming its referring to Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. - due for release 26th April '17.
The first film didn't do too bad in France, taking US$19m.
It'd be so awful in Paris! Other parks have something to block it out in the skyline but we don't really, tower is visible from bloody everywhere even on BTM! The Hollywood theme fits the entirety of the Studios park since its all about movies and it is so iconic but some weird Marvel building...ew...
I just don't see how it can be done without making it seem like a cheep retheme, how do you turn a hotel into anything marvel related without completely tearing it down, Stark Tower maybe but this is GOTG not Ironman, How can they make it not look like some cheap reskin?
I remain sceptical though, still not convinced given how prominent it is in all of Studios that it'd be reskinned.
My understanding is that the DCA Hotel will stay as it is (the Pueblo Deco architecture and all). The Collector uses it as a connection point to other worlds. Therefore it should be the same if - and that's the key part - if they add it to Paris.
Don't forget it took ages to get Cap'n Jack. And then factor in potential park expansion which could feature Marvel characters, they might decide not to change the Hotel.
Nooooooooooooooo don't do it , just let it go and move on.
TOT is a classic attraction that should not be messed with .
If the one in California does become Marvel themed and is successful I am sure they will bring this across to Disneyland Paris.
The only reason they haven't done so in Disney World is due to the contractual agreements in relation to Universal Studios.
My personal thought is that Disney Studios in Paris needs a complete re-theme (a bit like the one at Disney World is having) and as part of that I think a Marvel area is needed.
If the theming is successful then why change it? My kids are already saying they will stop going on the tower if it is rethemed,. I personally don't know why people are going mad over marvel, but that's me, and wanting to change the studios. I agree add a part to do with marvel but personally I don't think it is 'disney' if you know what I mean. I know studios on a whole isn't 'disney' but It just seems to be cashing in on the moment kind of thing, what happens when it all dies down? will it still be as successful? Besides I really didn't think much of the movie, my daughter enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy but she said it wasn't that good to retheme a star attraction.
As much as I love the Marvel movies I really do think this would be a misstep. I adore TOT and think the themeing is wonderful - it's such an atmospheric ride and a real bit of Disney magic. It would be a real shame to lose it. I'mm all for updates and WDS needs one, sure, but the one thing they should absolutely leave intact is tower. Update it and tidy it a little? Sure. But not a reskin.
Quote from: itsadisneywonderfulworld on May 18, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
As much as I love the Marvel movies I really do think this would be a misstep. I adore TOT and think the themeing is wonderful - it's such an atmospheric ride and a real bit of Disney magic. It would be a real shame to lose it. I'mm all for updates and WDS needs one, sure, but the one thing they should absolutely leave intact is tower. Update it and tidy it a little? Sure. But not a reskin.
Guardians of the Galaxy has more relevance than Twilight Zone as of current though. Retheming therefore would make logical sense.
TOT is my favourite ride and I would be so disappointed to see this change happen. In its current form I think TOT has all the features that go into making a ride a Disney ride. It has the excellent theming, great castmembers who interact with the guests and a decent storyline. I suppose all these things could be present if it was rethemed but why change something that, in my opinion, is perfect as it is. This is all before we get on to the fact that I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was a terrible film and I generally don't like marvel films.
I am not a Marvel fan. However, given how Disney have reacted in the past to popularity (the pirates movies are a good example), they will always cater for the masses. For that reason, I can see them wanting to 'make the most' of the Marvel franchise and they would want to do that as cheap as possible.
That's why I could see them re-theming ToT as its cheaper than creating a brand new ride, and we all now how Disney like to save money. ;D
Quote from: giorgio1712 on May 20, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
TOT is my favourite ride and I would be so disappointed to see this change happen. In its current form I think TOT has all the features that go into making a ride a Disney ride. It has the excellent theming, great castmembers who interact with the guests and a decent storyline. I suppose all these things could be present if it was rethemed but why change something that, in my opinion, is perfect as it is. This is all before we get on to the fact that I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was a terrible film and I generally don't like marvel films.
I'm not sure how anyone can dislike Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt alone makes it a worthy watch.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on May 20, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: giorgio1712 on May 20, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
TOT is my favourite ride and I would be so disappointed to see this change happen. In its current form I think TOT has all the features that go into making a ride a Disney ride. It has the excellent theming, great castmembers who interact with the guests and a decent storyline. I suppose all these things could be present if it was rethemed but why change something that, in my opinion, is perfect as it is. This is all before we get on to the fact that I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was a terrible film and I generally don't like marvel films.
I'm not sure how anyone can dislike Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt alone makes it a worthy watch.
I don't hate GoG but turning ToT would be a step too far in my opinion and a huge waste of money.
I just don't get the theming in DLP the more I visit other parks the more I don't understand why Paris is so randomly laid out!
Quote from: rebecca20 on May 20, 2016, 03:04:35 PM
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Quote from: giorgio1712 on May 20, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
TOT is my favourite ride and I would be so disappointed to see this change happen. In its current form I think TOT has all the features that go into making a ride a Disney ride. It has the excellent theming, great castmembers who interact with the guests and a decent storyline. I suppose all these things could be present if it was rethemed but why change something that, in my opinion, is perfect as it is. This is all before we get on to the fact that I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was a terrible film and I generally don't like marvel films.
I'm not sure how anyone can dislike Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt alone makes it a worthy watch.
I just don't get the theming in DLP the more I visit other parks the more I don't understand why Paris is so randomly laid out!
Because what's wrong with a bit of randomness?
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on May 20, 2016, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: rebecca20 on May 20, 2016, 03:04:35 PM
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Quote from: giorgio1712 on May 20, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
TOT is my favourite ride and I would be so disappointed to see this change happen. In its current form I think TOT has all the features that go into making a ride a Disney ride. It has the excellent theming, great castmembers who interact with the guests and a decent storyline. I suppose all these things could be present if it was rethemed but why change something that, in my opinion, is perfect as it is. This is all before we get on to the fact that I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was a terrible film and I generally don't like marvel films.
I'm not sure how anyone can dislike Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt alone makes it a worthy watch.
I just don't get the theming in DLP the more I visit other parks the more I don't understand why Paris is so randomly laid out!
Because what's wrong with a bit of randomness?
I like my parks well themed and a layout that makes sense and has some history / link behind it.
Anyone know if GoG did well money wise as a film? I don't really recall seeing a lot of merch around so I wondered why such a big change for the Cali park ToT.
Quote from: rebecca20 on May 21, 2016, 04:46:20 PM
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Quote from: rebecca20 on May 20, 2016, 03:04:35 PM
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Quote from: giorgio1712 on May 20, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
TOT is my favourite ride and I would be so disappointed to see this change happen. In its current form I think TOT has all the features that go into making a ride a Disney ride. It has the excellent theming, great castmembers who interact with the guests and a decent storyline. I suppose all these things could be present if it was rethemed but why change something that, in my opinion, is perfect as it is. This is all before we get on to the fact that I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was a terrible film and I generally don't like marvel films.
I'm not sure how anyone can dislike Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt alone makes it a worthy watch.
I just don't get the theming in DLP the more I visit other parks the more I don't understand why Paris is so randomly laid out!
Because what's wrong with a bit of randomness?
I like my parks well themed and a layout that makes sense and has some history / link behind it.
Anyone know if GoG did well money wise as a film? I don't really recall seeing a lot of merch around so I wondered why such a big change for the Cali park ToT.
Guardians of the Galaxy was one of the most popular Marvel films. I'm not sure about in France but here in the UK it did phenomenally well at the box office.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on May 20, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
I'm not sure how anyone can dislike Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt alone makes it a worthy watch.
Yup. No arguments from me here. I can't imagine Star Lord being played by anyone else.
Quote from: rebecca20 on May 21, 2016, 04:46:20 PM
I like my parks well themed and a layout that makes sense and has some history / link behind it.
I agree there. WDS is very much an ad-hoc layout. They needed to add Tower, and therefore its plopped right in the middle of what should be the entrance/hub. Remyland is no better, just tacked onto Toy Storyland.
Quote from: rebecca20 on May 21, 2016, 04:46:20 PM
Anyone know if GoG did well money wise as a film? I don't really recall seeing a lot of merch around so I wondered why such a big change for the Cali park ToT.
For DCA and WDS, it enables them to add some or more Marvel characters without expanding the park. Both could have a Marvel Land, but that'll take at 2-4 years to add. A refurb could be done as 'quick' as 18 months.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on May 21, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Guardians of the Galaxy was one of the most popular Marvel films. I'm not sure about in France but here in the UK it did phenomenally well at the box office.
Total worldwide gross: US$333.1m
UK $47.3m(£36.2m)
France $19.8m(€17.7m)
"Guardians of the Galaxy has more relevance than Twilight Zone as of current though. Retheming therefore would make logical sense."
I do get what your saying but, for me, TOT is a fantastic bit of imagenering that transcends ideas of relevance. It's a fantastic ride that doesn't really require any knowledge of Twilight Zone to appreciate and enjoy. GOTG ride would be a very different beast, I think. I'm all for Marvel rides but I don't think it's a good idea to do it at the expense of an iconic ride.
Quote from: itsadisneywonderfulworld on May 22, 2016, 03:03:55 PM
"Guardians of the Galaxy has more relevance than Twilight Zone as of current though. Retheming therefore would make logical sense."
I do get what your saying but, for me, TOT is a fantastic bit of imagenering that transcends ideas of relevance. It's a fantastic ride that doesn't really require any knowledge of Twilight Zone to appreciate and enjoy. GOTG ride would be a very different beast, I think. I'm all for Marvel rides but I don't think it's a good idea to do it at the expense of an iconic ride.
I think Guardians of the Galaxy would be more fitting for a dark ride. I could imagine one being like Peter Pan's Flight, with Hooked On A Feeling playing during the duration of it.
I think Guardians of the Galaxy would be more fitting for a dark ride. I could imagine one being like Peter Pan's Flight, with Hooked On A Feeling playing during the duration of it.
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see, that sounds fantastic. That I would go for and would be more fitting for GOTG.
Quote from: itsadisneywonderfulworld on May 22, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
I think Guardians of the Galaxy would be more fitting for a dark ride. I could imagine one being like Peter Pan's Flight, with Hooked On A Feeling playing during the duration of it.
see, that sounds fantastic. That I would go for and would be more fitting for GOTG.
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I also think if any Marvel film was to be used for Tower of Terror, Doctor Strange although yet to be released sounds like it would probably be more fitting.
^Good call. That seems to have a surreal Twilight Zone feel anyway. Although we'll have to wait and see just how it does at the box office first.
I still think that the conversion is a way off, especially for WDS. Firstly there are cost implications, unless its going to be a co-production with DCA to bring down costs. Look at how long its took for Cap#n Jack to arrive in Paris.
Then there's also the location. In DCA it's at one end of the park, in a place where it could happily sit as an entrance point to a Marvel Land. In WDS. we're assuming, that Marvel Land could be added behind the Tram Tour berm. Which therefore creates a separation between one Marvel attraction and the others. Which seems very disjointed - however this is WDS' layout logic, so anything is possible.
However, as I suggested in the expansion thread, if the Production Courtyard becomes all-Marvel, then Tower is very likely to welcome Star Lord and crew.
Well it's now official for DCA. Let's hope that it stays over there and is not imported to WDS. Just look at what a mess they're making of that amazing façade!
https://youtu.be/9L9ZAdtNZc0
Quote from: Rocketeer on July 24, 2016, 06:48:11 PM
Well it's now official for DCA. Let's hope that it stays over there and is not imported to WDS. Just look at what a mess they're making of that amazing façade!
https://youtu.be/9L9ZAdtNZc0
is it bad that I actually kinda like the façade? The name is an atrocity though, it just sounds very Universalish?
Regardless I think it stays there, Studios' tower is the castle of the place as I've said before and that has only been reinforced by the projection show being worked on for it, that doesn't look like the sort of thing you can project stuff onto, we have other areas that could be better used for Marvel land and attractions that could have a marvel reskin, like Rock n' Rolelr Coaster, Stunts Moteurs and Backlot in general really. Plus its not like we have the budget anyways.
I reckon the Guardians of the Galaxy theming will come to Disneyland Paris but they won't change the exterior. They'll probably just renovate it inside and change any ride mechanics that need changing for it to replicate this one.
Can't see that myself, it looks pretty much likke a package deal - interors and exteriors.
Hopefully the costs involved will help keep this away from WDS for now. Heck, with a bit of luck the Mouse migh realise its a mistake and not do it at all. We have precedent now - after OLC announced the Frozen Port for TDS but then quitely dropped it in favour of rennovating Fantasyland and a Big Hero 6 attraction.
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Can't see that myself, it looks pretty much likke a package deal - interors and exteriors.
Hopefully the costs involved will help keep this away from WDS for now. Heck, with a bit of luck the Mouse migh realise its a mistake and not do it at all. We have precedent now - after OLC announced the Frozen Port for TDS but then quitely dropped it in favour of rennovating Fantasyland and a Big Hero 6 attraction.
I just can't see it ever happening given Tower is one of the first things you see when you walk into the park. Unless the park itself changes theme I just think the Hollywood Tower Hotel fits too well and I don't think you can project onto the new Tower, random thoughts though:
1. Will ToT have to close for the projection show? You'd assume so but just curious.
2. This goes for DCA but also WDSP how are they going to do it? Tower is HUGE, you can see it from so many places in the park, what if your standing in TSPL or Bug's land and see a big robotic tower, right now its just the Tower hotel and it fits KINDA since in those lands your meant to be tiny and in a garden and you can say its a building on the horizon. But it won't fit at all with the robotic thing.
Quote from: Rocketeer on July 24, 2016, 08:25:26 PM
Can't see that myself, it looks pretty much likke a package deal - interors and exteriors.
Hopefully the costs involved will help keep this away from WDS for now. Heck, with a bit of luck the Mouse migh realise its a mistake and not do it at all. We have precedent now - after OLC announced the Frozen Port for TDS but then quitely dropped it in favour of rennovating Fantasyland and a Big Hero 6 attraction.
They won't. It's Guardians of the Galaxy...and their companion Star Lord. :P
Apparently (not completely verified, but seen on Twitter) the announcement for this was resoundly booed at ComiCon.
And via the OC Regiester:
QuoteComplaints and anger fill @Disney comment pages after announcement that Guardians will replace Tower of Terror #DCA
Although I doubt the Mouse will back down. They ignored the protestations at the closure of Pleasure Island when they didn't have a decent replacement in the works. (Admittedly in hindsight that did lead to Disney Springs - however that incompasses more that Pleasure Island.)
Quote from: Rocketeer on July 25, 2016, 11:47:34 PM
Apparently (not completely verified, but seen on Twitter) the announcement for this was resoundly booed at ComiCon.
And via the OC Regiester:
QuoteComplaints and anger fill @Disney comment pages after announcement that Guardians will replace Tower of Terror #DCA
Although I doubt the Mouse will back down. They ignored the protestations at the closure of Pleasure Island when they didn't have a decent replacement in the works. (Admittedly in hindsight that did lead to Disney Springs - however that incompasses more that Pleasure Island.)
They shouldn't. I don't know why people are being so extreme in their opinions over a theme park attraction. It's pathetic if you ask me.
I am not sure if I like it. I am curious what kind of story they can construct around the actual ride system. The current elevator themeing works so well...
Wonder what Disney Sea will do they never had the Twighlight Zone licence .
Last time I visited the hotel there was dust en spiderwebs everywhere. It looked really run down and old.
Worst thing were the broken elevators :o
Good thing they are refurbishing the place.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on July 26, 2016, 12:21:40 AM
They shouldn't. I don't know why people are being so extreme in their opinions over a theme park attraction. It's pathetic if you ask me.
Maybe because we don't want to see a decent attraction replaced with a thin premise of a retheme that does nothing to add to the park?
What if they rethemed Le Chateau to make it 'Queen Amadala's Helter Skelter' or Pirates of the Carribean becomes 'Jar Jar Binks Wild Ride' ?
Quote from: mickey1980 on July 26, 2016, 06:43:15 PM
Last time I visited the hotel there was dust en spiderwebs everywhere. It looked really run down and old.
Worst thing were the broken elevators :o
Good thing they are refurbishing the place.
;D
Quote from: Rocketeer on July 26, 2016, 08:24:55 PM'Jar Jar Binks Wild Ride' ?
I like that title. Let's do it ;D
^Just like Guardians... it would be better served in its own attraction, and not a retheme of an existing one.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--TmP-5Uoh--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/axvrzp9u0dyzdkw0o7q2.jpg)
io9/Gizmodo article about the ride (http://io9.gizmodo.com/disneys-guardians-of-the-galaxy-ride-is-just-the-beginn-1784215511)
https://youtu.be/9L9ZAdtNZc0
Looks like Disney is actually doing this at California Adventure, so perhaps they could do it as well at DLP?
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Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on July 26, 2016, 12:21:40 AM
They shouldn't. I don't know why people are being so extreme in their opinions over a theme park attraction. It's pathetic if you ask me.
Maybe because we don't want to see a decent attraction replaced with a thin premise of a retheme that does nothing to add to the park?
It's only a ride. Twilight Zone's not even Disney anyway so doesn't make sense as the theme of Tower of Terror.
I read on twitter (I've been doing a lot of that lately!) that there are no plans to incorporate the Guardians of the Galaxy theme into Disneyland Paris, which can be interpreted simply as a lack of money to do so at this time.
I for one think ToT is one of the most successfully themed attractions in both parks & would hate to see it go. The queue + pre-show are so elaborate I feel like the ride experience has begun way before I get in an elevator. The CM's are always amazing on this ride, so talented!
The Twilight Zone isn't Disney, but the hotel fits in with the whole Golden Age of Cinema - old Hollywood Boulevard & Vine Street theme. The Hollywood sign back drop is so iconic to me.
If they bring GotG to the Studios it's not just the Tower that has to be refurbished, that whole central area would have to be scrapped & reimagined leaving Tram Tour totally irrelevant to it's surroundings so that would have to go too. It's sounds like too much trouble to me.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on July 26, 2016, 10:24:47 PM
It's only a ride. Twilight Zone's not even Disney anyway so doesn't make sense as the theme of Tower of Terror.
I can't see how it 'doesn't make sense as the theme' - its pretty much a key part of the attraction. There are references to the television show all over the queue area for starters. Let alone the actual attraction's events.
And although the Twilight Zone is used under liscence from CBS, it doesn't make it any less of an attraction. Some argue that the younger guests "
do not know what the Twilight Zone is and therefore rendering it unnecessary", well to me that's a poor excuse to remove a decent attraction (Twilight Zone name or not) to make way for a weak re-theme.
I don't see why we have to add characters to traditional attractions (ie. Pirates, small world) just to placate some guests, who seem to think that its not a Disney attraction if they're not there.
Is Phantom Manor (Haunted Mansion) any less of an attraction beacuse there's no Jim Evers (Eddie Murphy) AA?
Quote from: Sugaroo_ on July 27, 2016, 09:07:24 AM
I read on twitter (I've been doing a lot of that lately!) that there are no plans to incorporate the Guardians of the Galaxy theme into Disneyland Paris, which can be interpreted simply as a lack of money to do so at this time.
Good.
Quote from: Sugaroo_ on July 27, 2016, 09:07:24 AM
I for one think ToT is one of the most successfully themed attractions in both parks & would hate to see it go. The queue + pre-show are so elaborate I feel like the ride experience has begun way before I get in an elevator. The CM's are always amazing on this ride, so talented!
Well said. I couldn't agree more - and I've never actually been on the attraction! I just love the style and detail in the attraction and its surroundings.
As for the CM characters, I hear the proposed Guardians CM characters are going to be 'potentially annoying'.
Quote from: Sugaroo_ on July 27, 2016, 09:07:24 AM
The Twilight Zone isn't Disney, but the hotel fits in with the whole Golden Age of Cinema - old Hollywood Boulevard & Vine Street theme. The Hollywood sign back drop is so iconic to me.
If they bring GotG to the Studios it's not just the Tower that has to be refurbished, that whole central area would have to be scrapped & reimagined leaving Tram Tour totally irrelevant to it's surroundings so that would have to go too. It's sounds like too much trouble to me.
Excellent point. Maybe for once the fiscal issues of ED have saved us from a mistake. And add to that the ludicrous location of the attraction in WDS which could also save it.
Given that DCA's Tower is situated to the rear of the park (and the 'entrance' to a rumoured Marvel Land expansion) then these changes, although affecting the rest of Hollywoodland, impact less on the park than it would if it were to happen in WDS.
Not that I'm advocating that it happen in DCA. It's still a stupid idea.
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Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on July 26, 2016, 10:24:47 PM
It's only a ride. Twilight Zone's not even Disney anyway so doesn't make sense as the theme of Tower of Terror.
I can't see how it 'doesn't make sense as the theme' - its pretty much a key part of the attraction. There are references to the television show all over the queue area for starters. Let alone the actual attraction's events.
You completely missed my point. It doesn't make sense as a theme because Twilight Zone isn't Disney.
Quote from: Rocketeer on July 27, 2016, 09:39:05 PM
Well said. I couldn't agree more - and I've never actually been on the attraction!
Noooo you have to go! Even if you're not keen on going on the ride at least queue up with your party and tell a CM you would like to exit before loading, I've seen it done many times. It's so worth it, I promise!
I agree it's a stupid idea, especially for Paris, on so many levels.
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It's only a ride. Twilight Zone's not even Disney anyway so doesn't make sense as the theme of Tower of Terror.
I can't see how it 'doesn't make sense as the theme' - its pretty much a key part of the attraction. There are references to the television show all over the queue area for starters. Let alone the actual attraction's events.
You completely missed my point. It doesn't make sense as a theme because Twilight Zone isn't Disney.
Neither is Aerosmith but Rock N' Roller Coaster is still a huge attraction at WDS.
I love Guardians but even I know changing one of the most successful and loved DLPR rides to please a new generation is stupid.
If they're that intent on bringing Marvel/Guardians into the parks, leave ToT alone and do something with
the waste of space that is Armageddon!!
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It's only a ride. Twilight Zone's not even Disney anyway so doesn't make sense as the theme of Tower of Terror.
I can't see how it 'doesn't make sense as the theme' - its pretty much a key part of the attraction. There are references to the television show all over the queue area for starters. Let alone the actual attraction's events.
You completely missed my point. It doesn't make sense as a theme because Twilight Zone isn't Disney.
Neither is Aerosmith but Rock N' Roller Coaster is still a huge attraction at WDS.
I love Guardians but even I know changing one of the most successful and loved DLPR rides to please a new generation is stupid.
If they're that intent on bringing Marvel/Guardians into the parks, leave ToT alone and do something with the waste of space that is Armageddon!!
Rock n Roller Coaster should be rethemed too.
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Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on July 26, 2016, 10:24:47 PM
It's only a ride. Twilight Zone's not even Disney anyway so doesn't make sense as the theme of Tower of Terror.
I can't see how it 'doesn't make sense as the theme' - its pretty much a key part of the attraction. There are references to the television show all over the queue area for starters. Let alone the actual attraction's events.
You completely missed my point. It doesn't make sense as a theme because Twilight Zone isn't Disney.
Neither is Aerosmith but Rock N' Roller Coaster is still a huge attraction at WDS.
I love Guardians but even I know changing one of the most successful and loved DLPR rides to please a new generation is stupid.
If they're that intent on bringing Marvel/Guardians into the parks, leave ToT alone and do something with the waste of space that is Armageddon!!
Rock n Roller Coaster should be rethemed too.
Why? Just because it's a Disney resort, doesn't mean that EVERY attraction has to be centered around Disney.
I mean, using that logic, It's A Small World, Space Mountain, Orbitron, Autopia, Big Thunder Mountain among many others would need a re-theme. And that's just at DLP and not including the other International attractions such as the Jungle Cruise and Tiki Rooms, Soarin'...
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Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on July 26, 2016, 10:24:47 PM
It's only a ride. Twilight Zone's not even Disney anyway so doesn't make sense as the theme of Tower of Terror.
I can't see how it 'doesn't make sense as the theme' - its pretty much a key part of the attraction. There are references to the television show all over the queue area for starters. Let alone the actual attraction's events.
You completely missed my point. It doesn't make sense as a theme because Twilight Zone isn't Disney.
Neither is Aerosmith but Rock N' Roller Coaster is still a huge attraction at WDS.
I love Guardians but even I know changing one of the most successful and loved DLPR rides to please a new generation is stupid.
If they're that intent on bringing Marvel/Guardians into the parks, leave ToT alone and do something with the waste of space that is Armageddon!!
Rock n Roller Coaster should be rethemed too.
Why? Just because it's a Disney resort, doesn't mean that EVERY attraction has to be centered around Disney.
I mean, using that logic, It's A Small World, Space Mountain, Orbitron, Autopia, Big Thunder Mountain among many others would need a re-theme. And that's just at DLP and not including the other International attractions such as the Jungle Cruise and Tiki Rooms, Soarin'...
Well, why not? Why not just make everything Disney?
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It's only a ride. Twilight Zone's not even Disney anyway so doesn't make sense as the theme of Tower of Terror.
I can't see how it 'doesn't make sense as the theme' - its pretty much a key part of the attraction. There are references to the television show all over the queue area for starters. Let alone the actual attraction's events.
You completely missed my point. It doesn't make sense as a theme because Twilight Zone isn't Disney.
Neither is Aerosmith but Rock N' Roller Coaster is still a huge attraction at WDS.
I love Guardians but even I know changing one of the most successful and loved DLPR rides to please a new generation is stupid.
If they're that intent on bringing Marvel/Guardians into the parks, leave ToT alone and do something with the waste of space that is Armageddon!!
Rock n Roller Coaster should be rethemed too.
Why? Just because it's a Disney resort, doesn't mean that EVERY attraction has to be centered around Disney.
I mean, using that logic, It's A Small World, Space Mountain, Orbitron, Autopia, Big Thunder Mountain among many others would need a re-theme. And that's just at DLP and not including the other International attractions such as the Jungle Cruise and Tiki Rooms, Soarin'...
Well, why not? Why not just make everything Disney?
Because that wasn't Walt's vision. If it was then we wouldn't have attractions like IASW, among many others that he designed himself in the first place. :)
Quote from: Sugaroo_ on July 28, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Noooo you have to go! Even if you're not keen on going on the ride at least queue up with your party and tell a CM you would like to exit before loading, I've seen it done many times. It's so worth it, I promise!
Well I never knew you could do that! Haha I'll have to try that next time. And then pluck up courage to go on Big Thunder too... :P
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And a quote from /film (on the new Muppets attraction coming to Florida)
QuoteAs you may have seen, news of the Guardians of the Galaxy Mission: BREAKOUT! attraction has not gone over well with Disney theme park fans. A Change.org petition has already racked up 30,000 signatures in just a few days, the official YouTube announcement video has five times as many down votes as it has up votes, and the Disney Parks blog has reportedly been deleting negative comments like never before.
Well, I guess it should come as no surprise that they're sticking with this. What is shocking though, is that they Hollywood Tower signage has been removed (before the attraction has closed), and overngiht they have removed the large dome on the top of the tower.
I'm so glad ours is staying the same (for now).
A new video proclaiming how wonderful this re-theme is has been released. I really hope this does not happen to the WDS version.
https://youtu.be/wUc1z2RF9qM
And it seems that on the Parks Blog, they're only allowing positive comments about the attraction.
Why? Just why ruin a perfectly fine attraction to re-theme it to this monstrosity.
The design looks tacky and cheap. Like the designer was pushed to make it work. But it doesn't work. And will never work.
I'm not against retheming or rethinking rides, but this does look kind of weird to be honest.
I think this'll go down as WDI's worst attraction retheme.
I didn't realise how serious this retheme is. I hope they don't change it to this as the tower looks so good as it is. Hopefully people won't warm to it in America and it won't come over.
Quote from: ChipandDale99 on October 04, 2016, 11:58:09 PM
I didn't realise how serious this retheme is. I hope they don't change it to this as the tower looks so good as it is. Hopefully people won't warm to it in America and it won't come over.
You can bet on this being successful. Guardians of the Galaxy is a much bigger franchise than The Twilight Zone and only internet Walt Disney World fanatics care about the retheming.
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I didn't realise how serious this retheme is. I hope they don't change it to this as the tower looks so good as it is. Hopefully people won't warm to it in America and it won't come over.
You can bet on this being successful. Guardians of the Galaxy is a much bigger franchise than The Twilight Zone and only internet Walt Disney World fanatics care about the retheming.
Actually, it's the one in California that is getting rethemed.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on October 05, 2016, 02:57:31 PM
You can bet on this being successful. Guardians of the Galaxy is a much bigger franchise than The Twilight Zone and only internet Walt Disney World fanatics care about the retheming.
Well as they seem to only allow positive comments on the Parks Blog, no doubt they will put a spin on its popularity when it opens.
I don't think the attractions popularity was ever down to the size or recognition of the franchise. It was just an enjoyable attraction that would work fine on its own without the Twilight theme.
Heck until the Mouse decided to make a Guardians film even some Marvel fans had not heard of the Guardians (in the same way we'd not heard of Big Hero 6).
And to add insult to injury, I'm sure it won't be long before the nostalgia merchandise makes an appearance in DCA. They seem to take pleasure in cashing in on attractions that were succeded by poor replacements. For example the Adventurers Club or Dreamfinder & Figment merchandise.
And as for WDS, I've said before that thankfully the fiscal situation in Paris might prevent the convertion of its Tower to this "gaudy monstrosity", but I have a fear that as Burbank seems so stubborn in forcing this on DCA, then WDS might just end up with it.
It looks decent IMO and I think it'll be stunning at night to be honest, the biggest issue I have is that you can CLEARLY tell that it is a reskin, because a power plant/museum would NEVER look like that, you can see the elevator shafts, the bushes outside, the gates and you can clearly see the Tower of Terror in it you know? But as time goes on that'll be less of a problem.
The name is just tacky though. I DISPISE that name.
I think we're safe for now due to the fiscal situation in Paris, as long as WDSP remains Walt Disney STUDIOS park and doesn't take on another name and theme I think it'll stay as ToT and since its the park's version of the castle, if it changes though we're in trouble.
Construction appears to be starting at DCA for the conversion of the tower.
The ride is still operating (and for a limited time you can get some special things at the tower, especially when you ride at night), but they removed the external signage and scrims are going up.
Something else that might save our Tower from this mess, Season of the Force. I know they can project on nearly everything, but I don't see how the "Warehousey-powerplant fortress thing" would be that suitable for the show.
Another WDS win.
Quote from: Rocketeer on October 08, 2016, 07:31:08 PM
Something else that might save our Tower from this mess, Season of the Force. I know they can project on nearly everything, but I don't see how the "Warehousey-powerplant fortress thing" would be that suitable for the show.
Another WDS win.
This is what I've been saying about the Tower being the castle of the park, its too important to change without converting the entire park away from the Studios theme which we currently have nowhere close to the budget to do LOL.
With rumoured changes like this, it feels a bit like my child's nursery has been given to the kids at the local youth club to run.
And they keep doing things that they think are really cool. But it's not quite appropriate!
I watched Doctor Strange on Monday. If they were to turn the ToT into a Marvel themed attraction I thought this would work a lot better with all of the reality and physics warping.
Saying that, I don't mind the idea of a Marvel attraction replacing ToT and if they were to go ahead, I'd really hope that they would ensure that the storyline is exciting, it looks good inside and out and that it makes sense to the location but I would much rather they just leave it alone as it is perfect how it is. No other attraction gives me that nervous feeling upon seeing it as ToT does!
I've not seen Dr. Strange yet, but I can see what you're saying. Certainly seems a better fit than Guardians.
As I've said before, I can't see why they just don't adapt the story of Tokyo's Tower. Just make Harrison Hightower one of those old timey studio heads (from the Golden Era) and have him bring back the idol to make it part of one of his films. Job done.
It just concerns me that GotG is still an option for WDS. Heck, if they're planning to remove and replace the Castle in Hong Kong, then anything is possible in WDS. (money issues aside).
Well here it is, Mission Breakout..
Pre-show with Rocket.
https://youtu.be/tZw8wE_zxU8
Attraction
https://youtu.be/k0F2aLwt2d8
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 26, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
Well here it is, Mission Breakout..
Pre-show with Rocket.
https://youtu.be/tZw8wE_zxU8
Attraction
https://youtu.be/k0F2aLwt2d8
I must admit I like it, but I wish it was a brand new ride and it hadn't replaced ToT!
^I agree, knowing it replaced an perfectly fine attraction takes off the shine on what is probably a decent attraction.
And I know that the Tower used those same screens, it comes across as nothing but 'screenz'.
The only good thing about the GOTGMB is the Rocket audio animatronic. I would not wait in a 300 minute queue for that ride..
Looks pretty spectacular to me :o
Would have no problem with this coming to Paris if they choose to re-theme the left side of the Studios park.
I cant see this coming to Paris . Especially if the Disney parks are going to have their own unique marvel universe . Hong Kong have the Iron Man Experience and that's why Iron Man wasn't part of the DCA summer of Heroes event , they even reference him being in Hong Kong during their hero show . Hong Kong also are getting an Ant Man and Avengers ride so I would cross those off the wishlist too , however their are many superheroes in the Avengers movies so I highly doubt many of the big stars will appear in this attraction as this gives Disney more room to play with regarding other superhero rides in other parks . I could see Paris getting a Spiderman attraction possibly down the line considering the states and Asia both have a Spiderman attraction in thier Universal Studios park and there is no Universal competition or rights issues in Europe regarding the MCU .
In my opinion Rock 'n Rollercoaster would be a perfect candidate for a Guardians refit over Tower of Terror. I don't know what the licence is on the Aerosmith branding, but I'm sure everyone agrees by now that the theming feels a little dated. The actual coaster itself is great and seeing as it's in the dark and in a building that isnt a massive tower, a refit would be possible pretty quickly.
This would give DLPR and WDS an entierly unique attraction compared to the American counterpart, and would kickstart the regeneration of the left side of WDS which we so desperately need.
Well there's talk of a Guardians attraction replacing the Universe of Engergy, that will have a large and tall show building. Which sounds to me like a launch type rollercoaster.
Therefore (jumping to conclusions) its not out of the possibility that RnRc at WDS could get some sort of make over along the same lines.
So according to ED92, the change is coming.
Rumoured/tentative start date is March 2018 for preliminary work and then full closure between Sep 2018 - March 2019
Actually gutted :( By far my favourite ride.
I just don't think it's needed. Besides the point that we were told each park would have a unique Guardians of the Galaxy mission ride. Seems DLP is being short changed again.
Out of all of the rubbish that needs to be redone/rethemed in the Studios too... Ugh :(
I think it's a case of:
a - The park is paying a lot of money for the Twilight Zone brand which it wants to understandably remove
and
b - The whole of the left side of the Studios is to become Marvel themed and ToT would be very out of place when that happens.
I love the current theme but at the same time Mission Breakout is extremely impressive so...
Quote from: claire2281 on October 05, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
I think it's a case of:
a - The park is paying a lot of money for the Twilight Zone brand which it wants to understandably remove
and
b - The whole of the left side of the Studios is to become Marvel themed and ToT would be very out of place when that happens.
I love the current theme but at the same time Mission Breakout is extremely impressive so...
I appreciate this, but the Studios is seriously lacking as is. One of the studio's biggest pulls (the biggest for me!) is ToT. Replacing it when they have a solid park is one thing, but when we have what is widely regarded as the worst Disney park out of any Disney park getting this revamp when there are so many other things that the money could be spent on (Stitch, Armageddon, pretty much that whole area!) just seems so stupid.
Besides, I can't help feel that DLP is being short changed -- we were told at E23 that the hope is for all Disney parks to have a unique 'Mission:' ride. Obviously there is one in California and one planned for WDW, so it seems a shame that Paris is being given a copy of what already exists.
I'm actually so gutted </3 :(
Personally I am very disappointed in this too. While I understand the rationale for incorporating franchises, for me I've always had a special place in my heart for the Disney rides that are not associated with a movie, but have their own story (I know obviously ToT is associated with The Twilight Zone, but it still feels different to those with Disney connections). Along with BTM, this is one of my favourite rides and I will dearly miss it in its current incarnation, no matter how good the new one ends up being. Having never seen Guardians of the Galaxy, I can't comment on how well that theme might work. Will ride ToT as many times as possible in January!
Quote from: claire2281 on October 05, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
I think it's a case of:
a - The park is paying a lot of money for the Twilight Zone brand which it wants to understandably remove
and
b - The whole of the left side of the Studios is to become Marvel themed and ToT would be very out of place when that happens.
I love the current theme but at the same time Mission Breakout is extremely impressive so...
I wouldn't be happy with a simple retheme, but as part of a bigger project I could live with it. Does it have to be GOTG? Could they do an Avengers style rescue for example. The ride is a falling elavator so it should be easy to find a story that works.
The ToT is already an eyesore from the Esplanade, it's going to be even worse now. Not impressed.
Quote from: Rocketeer on October 08, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
The ToT is already an eyesore from the Esplanade, it's going to be even worse now. Not impressed.
I don't think it is, it's meant to tower over for a reason. Sure the ToT needs some TLC, that's why a refurb is planned for March 2018 (from ED92). Hopefully our ToT will finally get the "Out Of Order" sign at long last.
Just save the tower, please.
This really would remove any remaining reason to use Studios Park for me. We've already stopped buying annual passes, when we visit this week, we've got single park tickets at about £30. This will be our 60th visit to DLP and I daren't even think how many 1000's of £££ we have spent over the years but every year now there is something less for us and something more they have taken away. Maybe we have been spoiled as we have seen what I would think have been the "glory years" at DLP
So the latest rumour is they're taking this in a different direction - the ToT will still undergo a refurb/retheme but it will remain a horror-esque ride whilst removing all of the Twilight Zone branding (so that the agreement to use this doesn't be renewed).
In the meantime they'll concentrate on replacing other rides in the area with new attractions.
Whether there's any weight to this, who knows, but it would make sense to keep a popular attraction up and running whilst replacing some poor ones *cough* Armageddon *cough*. Also something will definitely have to be done about the Twilight Zone theming as the license is up for renewal soon.
I hope this is true.
Personal feelings aside here (TOT is the best themed Disney attraction ever, along with Phantom Manor), I've never understood, why in a park that is widely and largely seen as the worst Disney park ever, and is regularly voted as the worst by fans, they would want to redo one of their 'star' attractions when there is so much dead weight was always beyond me.
Stitch Live, Disney Junior Live (which still uses old branding, and even Playhouse Disney stuff... a brand which shut down 5 or so years ago!), Armageddon, the stunt show (which I feel is dated and could do being changed, or even a complete rehaul... a Marvel Stunt show could work there) and even Rock n' Roller coaster is just dated and not really relevant anymore.... The tram tour.....
There is just so much that needs to be changed and fixed. Leave ToT alone! (or retheme it, but keep it scary!)
Quote from: claire2281 on January 07, 2018, 11:13:21 PM
So the latest rumour is they're taking this in a different direction - the ToT will still undergo a refurb/retheme but it will remain a horror-esque ride whilst removing all of the Twilight Zone branding (so that the agreement to use this doesn't be renewed).
In the meantime they'll concentrate on replacing other rides in the area with new attractions.
Whether there's any weight to this, who knows, but it would make sense to keep a popular attraction up and running whilst replacing some poor ones *cough* Armageddon *cough*. Also something will definitely have to be done about the Twilight Zone theming as the license is up for renewal soon.
Thanks for sharing this latest rumour - I really hope it is true! Still going to try to ride it a record amount of times when I visit in a couple of weeks, just to say goodbye to the old version :(
We did the same over New Year. I also bought loads or merchandise and took videos of the shop and walk through to the elevators. I'm not keen on Marvel but appreciate others are, it's a shame that another more dated attraction like Armageddon or RnR couldn't have been chosen instead.
Thanks for the updates on this. I would be so disappointed to lose the Tower of Terror as it holds a very special place in my heart, although not for the reasons you might think, as I've actually never been on it!
We went as a family of four last February, to celebrate my wife and I getting married. We had a DIY wedding with a Mickey and Minnie theme. She and I couldn't face the idea of going away without the kids so we decided to have a combined honeymoon/family holiday. I am Disney-daft and it's taken hold of the boys too. We don't have a lot of money to throw around so we wanted to keep costs down by going for two nights and staying in Santa Fe (myself and my youngest, 4 y/o at the time, love the Cars movies). I had only ever been once before, when it opened in 1992 so it was very special for me to take my own kids there.
When we were there, my youngest developed this weird fixation with the ToT. He didn't want to go near it, but wanted to look at it whenever he could, it sounds bizarre but he's quite a character! He went on and on about it all trip. When we got home, we thought it would pass but here we are almost 12 months later and he talks about the ToT every ... single ... day ... and that's no exaggeration!
It has kind of become our thing, we have Daddy/son ToT time where we cuddle up and watch videos on it and look at photos on Google, Twitter and Instagram of the Towers in various parks (although we have narrowed it down to Paris and Disneyworld as he cried when DCA changed to GotG and he was freaked out by the monkey in the Tokyo version).
In addition, I made him a complete bellhop costume, painted his bedroom door like service elevator door, made a floor dial for above it, got him a room key and HTH fob, an HTH reception bell, a model of the ToT and a 'do not disturb' door handle sign. As you might imagine, he is totally in his element! Every night before he goes to bed, he says "your room is ready" in a ghostly voice. If we go anywhere with an elevator, even one floor, he insists we go in it so he can be a bellhop and tells people in the elevator to "say goodbye to the real world"!! He even got a Christmas card last month with his picture on it in his bellhop costume. At Halloween, he went as a bellhop. Whenever he hears the words "tower", "terror", "elevator", "thirteen", "floors", "fifth", "dimension", "twilight" or "zone" he gets really excited. At school, he pretends to be Rod Serling and gets the other kids to join in games to do with elevators. Ok, now that I have typed all this and looked back, I can safely say my son is obsessed :P
Suffice to say, I haven't told him about the proposed change, given how upset he was when the one in DCA changed. When this happened, he made me promise to take him back again and that Disney would not change 'his' Tower. As far as he knows, I am saving up to take him back again soon as I promised that the next time we go, we would go to the ToT. He doesn't want to go on it, he just wants to visit it and meet a real bellhop. Unfortunately, I am not going to be in a position to take him back before these changes take place.
I am dreading telling him about this :(
Maybe he could become obsessed with BTM .... maybe, just maybe ....
Removing the Twilight Zone theming then? That's interesting. As far as I can tell, ToT isn't down for a refurbishment anytime soon, so it looks like the Twilight Zone will loom over the hotel for a while to come.
But if the Twilight Zone will disappear, then I assume the only stuff that needs to be rewritten is the pre-show and the elevator ride voice over. Oh and of course the name, probably just being shortened to the Tower of Terror. As long as the theming, the music (apart from the Twilight Zone music), the hotel's look and the ride itself is kept the same then that's fine by me.
Oh and by the by, DCA had a Halloween overlay for Breakout, Monsters After Dark. Story goes that the generator in the Tivan Collection went out on Halloween Night (lightning struck the generator room at the top of the tower?) and the building has gone into lockdown following all of the exhibits being released from there cages. At night, the tower has a ominous dark blue glow and a red light can be seen spinning where the generator room is (which is exactly where the Tip Top Club was before...).
So it looks like the Tower of Terror will always be struck by lightning causing issues, no matter the theming.
Further to claire2281's post - another source is also stating that Guardians has been shelved (thankfully).
QuoteAfter months of speculation about the fate of Disneyland Paris Resorts' Tower of Terror, sources state that the expected re-theming of the ride to Guardians of the Galaxy – Mission: Breakout! has been shelved, in favor of a more subtle renovation and re-theming, including a rumored removal of any connection to the Twilight Zone franchise.
The ride is expected to see scaffolding erected May 21st, 2018, with a themed tarp covering the exterior while work takes place, and it is estimated for work to continue through March 2019. Although the attraction will not fully close, details about the new storyline that the attraction will carry are unclear, with rumors that The Walt Disney Company's license on The Twilight Zone intellectual property is coming to an end, and the company may be choosing not to renew it. As a result, the two remaining Twilight Zone themed Tower of Terror attractions in Disneyland Paris and Walt Disney World may see storylines changes similar to that of the Hotel Hightower theme at DisneySea in Tokyo.
https://wdwnt.com/2018/02/tower-of-terror-renovation-mission-breakout/
Thanks for sharing Rocketeer!!
Hey no problem. :)
Am I the only one surpruised at how long the attraction will be under refurb? That's 10 months..
At least it'll stay operational though.
I think the shell of the building needs a lot of work - it doesn't affect the ride operation but from what I've seen people saying the facade is in a right state.
It'll be interesting to see how this affects the use of the ToT as a projection show back drop - there were mutterings that Goofy's Incredible Christmas wouldn't return this year and this surprised a lot of people as it was deemed a huge success. Maybe it won't be possible to project onto it whilst the works are taking place - depends what they cover it with I presume and how close it matches the normal outline of the building.
I am glad the GotG-makeover is not coming to the WDS. Even though the new pre-show and actual ride looks quite cool, changing the Tower would have ruined the little bit of old-Hollywood-era atmosphere that currently exists at the Studios in Paris.
Now that the Twilight Zone references are going and the Hollywood Tower Hotel staying, I wonder if they still will replace it with some other TV-show or movie theme or just keep it as a haunted Hollywood hotel. The only other themes I could spontaneously think of would be the X-Files or Doctor Strange.
X-Files could become an option with the Fox-acquisition. It is still a popular show about unsolved mysteries with a creepy theme song.
Doctor Strange would fit well with the whole dimensions-theme and if Marvel moves into the Back Lot. Instead of Rod Serling Doctor Strange could appear as the narrator on the TV screen and warn us about what happened in the Hotel. Maybe he could then even save us at the end of the ride and bring us back into the right dimension.
Otherwise I don't think many people in Europe actually know the Twilight Zone TV series anyway and the ride still worked well for them. So maybe no reference to any TV show or movie will be absolutely fine.
What do you think?
Have a nice weekend!
Though i am/will be gutted at loosing the Twilight Zone story i feel like it's been a save by not having a GotG overlay.
The story is great the way it is and it would of needlessly clashed with the look of the area.
Thank goodness!
The hotel theme is just perfect. I suppose the new look will not differ much to the old one. If any of ypu play magic kingdoms on their mobile device, its TOT looks very similar to the paris tower, so that would be lovely
So without the Twilight Zone...
The Hollywood Tower Hotel's mysterious circumstance for being struck by lightning many years ago would need readjusting. Maybe Florida's would adopt the film's storyline with Sally Shine and well, the film was going to have a reboot, so I guess that would be Paris's version of events...
I've been to Tokyo and in my opinion the Hightower Hotel storyline works well, without much change to the layout or experience of the ride. I'm assuming this is a purely fictional story created by Disney (correct me if I'm wrong) so adopting it in Paris could be an option, rather than getting into another expensive franchise.
The gist of the story in Tokyo is that the hotel was owned by an eccentric explorer who gathered mystical artefacts on his travels, there are a lot of cool animatronics and bits of decor as a result. The lift breakdown is explained by a curse being put on the hotel by one of the artefacts. That's what I remember anyway!
No evidence for this, just a theory :)