After reading of the expansion of Hong Kong Disneyland with a Marvel Land and a Frozen Land (on top of the three added in '11-'13), it got me thinking......
Just how much can they expand Parc Disneyland? There's land in Frontierland, Adventureland and I think some in Fantasyland so they'd be perfect, but what about after that?
Could they feasably add much 'post-berm' like they have in HK?
And, while I'm boring you all with questions.... would you mind seeing the same model of expansion added in Paris? ie. three small, one attraction lands?
We've had one in the Studios with Remyland, so why not in Le Parc?
I think some sort of expansion would be really beneficial to the park but please god, not a Frozen land! So bored of the hype now, it was good but not THAT good!
I'd like to see a Critter Country added between Frontierland and Adventureland if room permits with a Splash Mountain and an attraction exclusive to Disneyland Paris that would be open all year round, as I'd imagine a Parisian SM would be closed during the winter months.
Wishful thinking!!
Using the 25-year-old available space would certainly be a nice start, though I don't imagine that the attractions would feature anything other than "safe" IPs (as seen in the HK expansion).
The main park cries desperately for new attractions!
I agree with stormflm595 about having a SM, if they can have water attractions at Villages Nature why not at DLP as well. They could also expand Indiana Jones coaster and perhaps add an indoors section with some elements similar to the ones in the US and Tokyo versions. And let's not forget a Beauty and the Beast attraction, one can wonder how a park located in France doesn't have such a ride! Plus it's one of the most popular Disney films and now that the live action movie will be out, it will be a great opportunity to build a dark ride based on the tale.
Some excellent suggestions there.
What if they added another land outside the berm? It'd be unlikely that it'd be non-IP, but let's just use Mystic Point as an example. Not a copy, (as we've already got the Manor), but a non-IP based one-attraction land.... good idea or bad idea? It gets another attraction added, but it is just a one ride town.
Pretty much like Place d'Remy. Can't see them adding anything there, but the attraction that is there is the star of the show.
I'm all for a Beauty & the Beast-attraction. It's one of the most popular animated movies ever, it was even nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards and the story is set in France... The movie itself is still extremely popular, proven by the fact that the trailers of the live action movie are record breaking by most views in one day. Belle has always been one of the most popular princesses. Beauty & the Beast is already 25 years old making it a true classic and not a hype of the moment.
I think a Beauty & the Beast attraction & mini land (with Gastons tavern and Be our Guest-restaurant) would be a hit in Disneyland Paris!
look at the map
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Disneyland+Paris/@48.8653318,2.7835764,3361m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47e61d19ca7ae2bd:0x57faf8cb6310e660!8m2!3d48.8722344!4d2.7758079
I think Disney own (or are responsible for) everything inside that circle. Theres a large plot of land on the right where they could build a new park or a huge amount of land south of Studios where they could expand.
To be honest right now they have spent a large amount of cash bringing the park back up to the expected level and i would imagine they will wait to see how 2017 goes before committing to anything new.
But when they do decide to expand, would like Marvel, especially the Antman ride, in Studios. Some sort of Pixar place in Studios would be great, something like a dark RoboCoaster G2 Wall E ride or Up would be cool. Or in the main park an Expansion of Fantasy Land with Belle featuring (theatre show was cool at Studios Orlando).
Quote from: Rocketeer on November 22, 2016, 08:42:43 PM
We've had one in the Studios with Remyland, so why not in Le Parc?
Actually two, unless you're not counting Toy Story Land for some reason.
Quote from: macca1476 on November 23, 2016, 12:58:09 PM
look at the map
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Disneyland+Paris/@48.8653318,2.7835764,3361m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47e61d19ca7ae2bd:0x57faf8cb6310e660!8m2!3d48.8722344!4d2.7758079
But when they do decide to expand, would like Marvel, especially the Antman ride, in Studios. Some sort of Pixar place in Studios would be great, something like a dark RoboCoaster G2 Wall E ride or Up would be cool. Or in the main park an Expansion of Fantasy Land with Belle featuring (theatre show was cool at Studios Orlando).
Or maybe a Marvel Park (we can wish!), with the Studios and Parc Parks also being developed.
When we had a guided tour a few years ago, our guide told us that they had planned to expand the Parc park to the rear of Star Tours. They had even started to clear an area to tunnel under the railway, which is still vaguely visible. The are behind Star Tours shows car parking and storage, so it could still be possible.
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Parc Disneyland is in desperate need of new attractions.
As this years figures show both attendances for the parks and the hotels are dropping which is so sad after they did so well to start to turn things around.
The sad truth is people are not going to spend large amounts of money to go and see things they have already seen maybe many times before.... people want to be wowed again and again. Disneyland Paris has not had a new parade for 5 years now, when I go I don't watch it any more because I've seen it which is quite sad really as Disney are known for their parades and no new rides in the main park for what is it now?.. 10 years at least? I think I am right on this (but am happy to be corrected). Prices are going up everywhere across the parks and hotels (don't get me started on the breakfast business...) and it is really is almost cheaper to get to WDW in Florida these days than DLP which, especially for us Brits, is right on our doorstep.
Anyway...I personally would love to see a Critter County land added that could be home to a Splash Mountain (ponchos at the ready for that one!) and some kind of Hundred Acre Wood attraction with Winnie the Pooh and friends. DLP is the only Disney park in the world that does not have the Winnie the Pooh ride and based on the popularity of the characters, I think this could be a huge bonus (of course as I love Tigger I could be slightly biased here lol!).
I don't think we need any more Frozen themed attractions in the parks at the moment or Marvel/Star Wars (not really Disney are they??!! they may be brilliant in their own way but Disney they are not).
As others have said being in France it is an ideal place to have some kind of Beauty and the Beast attraction though what kind of attraction I'm not too sure about.... maybe something along the lines of the existing Snow White ride (this badly needs updating too in my opinion).
I love DLP and am sad to think that after my upcoming trip next October, I may not be able to afford to return. DLP is a beautiful place and I think it needs to be treated to a little bit of love from its backers.... let's keep DLP Europe's number 1 tourist spot for the next 25 years and beyond.
TTFN
I really don't understand why Splash Mountain is not in adventureland, and i can't believe because of the weather reasons. There are water rides in other european parks that are open in the winter (Europa Park for instance, which btw is a fantastic park) . Technology exists now where they can adjust the amount of 'wetness' a rider experiences, so can tone it down during the winter months if they are worried about this.
Frontierland needs a new ride, not a 'thrill' ride BTM is enough here, but something around towards the chapparel to utilise that area a bit more. In this day and age of movie IP's I can't think of one that would fit other than the lone ranger (based on the remake a few years ago, but as that tanked...).
Discoveryland and Fantasyland I think are ok.
Mini lands are an interesting topic. I like the idea of them, but they need to be done to compliment the area that they are attached to or accessed through. Star wars land would be great behind star tours, using star tours as a kind of gate and outpost for discoveryland as it is not too much of a distraction from the rest of the land (pre-refurb), but so that it doesn't impact on the steam punk decor of that land. But I think Star tours would form the only ride in that land and it will just be made to look like endor or whatever beyond for shops and restaurants.
Quote from: cyrilthemilkman on November 24, 2016, 01:58:59 PM
Mini lands are an interesting topic. I like the idea of them, but they need to be done to compliment the area that they are attached to or accessed through. Star wars land would be great behind star tours, using star tours as a kind of gate and outpost for discoveryland as it is not too much of a distraction from the rest of the land (pre-refurb), but so that it doesn't impact on the steam punk decor of that land. But I think Star tours would form the only ride in that land and it will just be made to look like endor or whatever beyond for shops and restaurants.
This endorses what many people have been saying - Star Tours should have been moved to the Studios and Star Wars land built there.
Quote from: A&S&O on November 23, 2016, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: Rocketeer on November 22, 2016, 08:42:43 PM
We've had one in the Studios with Remyland, so why not in Le Parc?
Actually two, unless you're not counting Toy Story Land for some reason.
Well, yes it is a mini-land, but it has three attractions whereas Place d'Remy, Mystic Point, Grizzly Gulch only have one.
Quote from: cyrilthemilkman on November 24, 2016, 01:58:59 PM
I really don't understand why Splash Mountain is not in adventureland, and i can't believe because of the weather reasons. There are water rides in other european parks that are open in the winter (Europa Park for instance, which btw is a fantastic park) . Technology exists now where they can adjust the amount of 'wetness' a rider experiences, so can tone it down during the winter months if they are worried about this.
Well I think they probably would have had a Splash in the park, if the money had not been such an all encompassing issue that it did.
Sure, there is the weather issue, but as you said there are others in Europe. And there's one in TDL's Critter Country, and they get more average snow than Paris.
Quote from: cyrilthemilkman on November 24, 2016, 01:58:59 PM
Frontierland needs a new ride, not a 'thrill' ride BTM is enough here, but something around towards the chapparel to utilise that area a bit more. In this day and age of movie IP's I can't think of one that would fit other than the lone ranger (based on the remake a few years ago, but as that tanked...).
No doubt that would have been the plan at some point. And they'll certainly not use Home on the Range either..... ::)
Quote from: cyrilthemilkman on November 24, 2016, 01:58:59 PM
Mini lands are an interesting topic. I like the idea of them, but they need to be done to compliment the area that they are attached to or accessed through. Star wars land would be great behind star tours, using star tours as a kind of gate and outpost for discoveryland as it is not too much of a distraction from the rest of the land (pre-refurb), but so that it doesn't impact on the steam punk decor of that land. But I think Star tours would form the only ride in that land and it will just be made to look like endor or whatever beyond for shops and restaurants.
Good point, they need to have some sort of coehsive transition. Frontierland and Adventureland do well (as does Frontierland and Liberty Sq.(MK) or Frontierland and New Orelans Sq. (DL)) but then again, Fantasyland and Discoveryland are a bit of an unlikely couple.
Quote from: A&S&O on November 24, 2016, 02:23:34 PM
This endorses what many people have been saying - Star Tours should have been moved to the Studios and Star Wars land built there.
Its a shame that they could not have capitalised on the attraction being shut when updating it to Star Tours II by also moving it to the Studios. Then again, if they did that, you'd have a sizable gap at the rear of Disco-land. What could they have put in its place?
And it looks like that the Star Tours area is the only real "outside the berm" area they can go for. The rest sits quite closley with other buildings.
I doubt I'm the first with this idea, but I'll post it anyway.
Spalsh Mountain was mentioned a few posts above, and Adventureland being an idea setting. Now here's the idea. What if they added Splash, but themed to Moana?
Admittedly, its only just released and there's no way of gauging yet on how popular it'll be, but we can argue about that later. ;)
Anyway, imagine walking from Adventureland to a village on the island of Motunui. It could be a mini-land in its own, with the ubqiutous shop and maybe a small eatery.
Splash itself would be the only attraction, with scenes from the film depicted inside. Much the same way they've done with Frozen at the Norway Paviliion.
That way we get a classic attraction and a new themed land at the same time.
I love your idea, Rocketeer! Although I haven't watched the film yet, I believe a Moana mini land with a Maui themed Splash Mountain would be awesome!
Why thank you! ;D
I was intentionally a bit sketchy with attraction specifics as its such a new film, but you can see from the trailer that there's certainly something they could do with Splash and Moana.
There's plenty of land where Indy was supposed to go, so they could build a reasonable mini-land. And they could import the 'Moana’s Village Festival 'stage show that HKDL is getting. The Chaparral Theatre is a bit out of the way, but they've had Tarzan in there, so no huge issue.
Take note, EuroDisney. simples.
Quote from: Rocketeer on December 06, 2016, 08:38:30 PM
Spalsh Mountain was mentioned a few posts above, and Adventureland being an idea setting. Now here's the idea. What if they added Splash, but themed to Moana?
I'm liking the idea of re-theming Splash Mountain so it fits in Adventure Land but how about this. "The Jungle Book", remember the scene where Mowgli actually rides down the river on Baloo's stomach? Doesn't that lend itself perfectly? Added bonus Baloo already meets and greets in Adventure Land, the current planting/theming supports "Jungle Book", the sound track already exists and we have the classic cartoon and the new live action for material. Change to a management hat, how much merchandise could they sell to support this?
Just a thought.
^Interesting idea. I'd prefer the original version of the Jungle Book (rather than the CG fest recently).
I do agree though, how much merch could they actually shift? Same applies to Moana.. perhaps though the latter would sell more just due to the nature of it being recent.
Quote from: Rocketeer on December 10, 2016, 08:23:11 PM
I do agree though, how much merch could they actually shift? Same applies to Moana.. perhaps though the latter would sell more just due to the nature of it being recent.
I agree on the merchandise possibilities of Moana, for some reason princess's always seem to generate more.
Indeed. It's easily top 5 in sales for them. (Not sure where if you factor in Star Wars and Marvel now).
Regardless though, I think a "Splash Mountain" mini-land would be great for Adventureland. OK, so it'll take up the area earmarked for Indy Jones Adventure, but they could easily add an EMV attraction to WDS. Which to me is a win-win situation.
Given that Splash doesn't have a huge show building that's hidden by a façade (like Pirates or the Manor), it could probably fit in the spot next to Temple du Peril. Only downside is that the Railroad would have to either close for a bit, or operate a shuttle service (as they did in HKDL when they added their mini-lands).
I know I'm late jumping in on the conversation but please please please no Mini-lands! I don't know why I'm so against them :-X If the main park had reached its maximum potential ok maybe, but it has so much room for improvement.
I think it's such a shame that Frontierland & Adventureland only have 2 main attractions each. I would LOVE to be able to spend more time in Frontierland. As for Adventureland even with it's lack of main attractions you can kill time there with the exploration areas, but still...
I 1000% agree with Splash Mountain idea. If it's strategically placed between Frontierland and Adventureland (there's a big empty space between Indiana & what was Woody's Roundup) I think it would tremendously benefit both lands. I feel they need something else on that side of the park to pull crowds away from the rest of the lands and alleviate the wait time for BTM.
I also intensely agree with the Beauty and the Beast ride, not incorporating a classic like that into Disneyland Paris (of all places!!!) was a big miss.
Quote from: Rocketeer on December 11, 2016, 02:00:43 PM
Given that Splash doesn't have a huge show building that's hidden by a façade (like Pirates or the Manor), it could probably fit in the spot next to Temple du Peril.
Oops didn't notice this before. Yes! This is the area I mean. Also technically it's directly accesible from Frontierland from where Woody's roundup used to be. Even if it's not Splash Mountain they have to put that area to use somehow!
^Agreed. There's a whole chunk of land that is long overdue for an attraction.
As for Splash - another idea sprung to mind today, Zootopia (Zootropolis). There's a lot they could do - Bunnyburrow for one - however that wouldn't fit in Adventureland.
Zootroplis might not fit in Adventureland but it would be a nice addition to the Studios , however Beauty and The Beast would fit nicely in Fantasyland especially with the revival of interest with the new movie approaching . Surprises me how little presence French Disney movies have in the parks . I would love to see an Aristocats themed restaurant and maybe even some subtle Hunchback of Notre Dame Easter eggs in Fantasyland or around the hub
the whole west side of the park could do with something, whether its Splash Mtn or even a few critters to pet :)
Beauty and the Beast all the way and I second the idea above about a tavern and restaurant!
I would also like to see a bit more going on in Adventureland and Frontierland in the way of actual rides that are suitable for all ages - perhaps a Lion King ride or Jungle Book and it would be nice to also see a Brave themed ride.
I just saw Rocketeer's idea for a Moana land with Moana-themed Splash Mountain and I would love that.
Thanks! ;D
Even if its a smaller version of the other three Spalsh, it'd still be a good addition to the park. Heck, they could even put the main drop indoors. The Maelstrom did it for nearly 30 years.
Quote from: Olivus Prime on November 23, 2016, 12:08:50 AM
Using the 25-year-old available space would certainly be a nice start, though I don't imagine that the attractions would feature anything other than "safe" IPs (as seen in the HK expansion).
And pretty much every single attraction made during the last decade
Yes, unfortunately the days of non-IP attractions are long gone.
I maybe wrong, but I think the last new attraction that's non-IP and/or a film tie-in is HKDL's Mystic Manor, which opened in '13.
Speaking specifically for Paris, the last one to fit that bill would be many of the originals in WDS.... in '02.
Would like to see a Splash Mountain or Grizzly Gulch type of attraction in Paris. But please. No more IP's :o
Why not give the attraction a unique storyline linked to the Society of Explorers and Adventurers (S.E.A.).
The deeper underlying storylines and eye for hidden detail is what made me fall in love with Disney parks. Especially Paris. S.E.A. is an excellent example of this. But not yet present in Paris.
Good call, they should add something from S.E.A. - even if its just a prop or two in Adventureland.