To me it seems Mickey and Co. and in-fact most of the other classic Disney films are being forgotten, with the more modern productions such as High School Musical (*Shudders*), Lilo and Stitch (*again*) and Hannah Montana (*yet again*) taking their place. What do you think? Do you think they will all eventually be slowly pushed aside?
James. :donald:
NB: If you hadn't noticed I don't like any of the above.
I feel the same! It's like they are pushing away the classics!
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which is terrible because the classics are the best.
I'd like to think that they weren't going to push aside the classics, but it does feel like its already happening.
Same here, I don't like the whole introduction of playhouse disney, High school musical and stitch live to the parks.... I mean there was even a stitch invasion series of pins...... I don't like how he has started appearing with or even in place of mickey on some of the merchandise either.
Although I have to say Enchanted was a good film... mainly because it was based on the Walt Disney style of story.... Along with Pixar of course... I've yet to see a bad Pixar film.
James. :donald:
I don't mind the Lilo and Stitch stuff much as I do enjoy that film.
But I do agree with all the other stuff...though there is a lot of people that do like it so I suppose it isn't too bad, aslong as Disney is still making people happy.
But they really shouldn't forget the Classics as they started it all.
I loved Enchanted because it had a classic feel to it, and I'm the same I love the Pixar films too.
I'd like to see a ride based upon all the old short animations! Similar to Crushes Coaster.
"it all started with a mouse" disney will never forget this but no matter how much we hope Disney, WDW and DLRP just want to make as much cash as possible from any charector, besides I consider a few moderns (lilo and stitch) as semi-classics
Yeah I'm the same, as I do like Lilo and Stitch.
But stuff like High School Musical and Hannah Montana etc...just aren't something I'd want to see in the parks.
I'm just hoping that The Princess and the Frog will be something connective to the classics
I do like Stitch a lot but I agree that Hannah Montana and Highschool Musical is taking over. Also the Princesses as a group. I don't mind them seperately but I can't stand the princess merchandise where they're all together. They don't belong in the same universe and it's just classic commercialism. They're also doing it to poor Tinkerbell. Reinventing her and creating mass merchandise. The classic Tink is slipping more into the background. Now she's all sweet and glittery and people forget that the real Tink is a jealous little minx.
Thanks for letting me vent. :)
Quote from: "MizzRabbit"I do like Stitch a lot but I agree that Hannah Montana and Highschool Musical is taking over. Also the Princesses as a group. I don't mind them seperately but I can't stand the princess merchandise where they're all together. They don't belong in the same universe and it's just classic commercialism. They're also doing it to poor Tinkerbell. Reinventing her and creating mass merchandise. The classic Tink is slipping more into the background. Now she's all sweet and glittery and people forget that the real Tink is a jealous little minx.
Thanks for letting me vent. :)
I fully agree!
People are forgetting what Tink used to be like and are making her something she's not...or something she was never shown as being.
All the princesses just wouldn't be together at all!
I do like princess merch, but never when they're all together.
Hmm... Maybe there was something I missed when I watched Lilo and Stitch.... Maybe if I see it a second time it might grow on me......
As for everything about the Princesses and HSM etc. I completely agree and I dislike the way tinkerbell has become part of the 'Disney fairies'... There's only ONE disney fairy! and she isn't the same when she isn't with Hook (One of my favorite characters)
James. :donald:
I WON'T LET MINNIE BE FORGOTTON!
It seems to me that the current management is forgettting what started it all.
Mickey, Donald, Snow White.
And what revived the dormant industry.
Ariel, Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, Toy Story.
Frankly, as an older stateman as it were, the current pablium puking nonsense that HSM and Hannah Montana is not Disney as we know it. We are being pandered by tweens who do not hold jobs nor have disposable income whatsoever. If I had children of that age, I would strictly forbid them from watching (or buying) any of their merchandise, go to a concert or even listen to Radio Disney, because it is not Disney to me. And it is unfortunate that the current management believes Mickey Mouse is best suited as a pre-school character, not as an company icon.
If I owned Disney stock, I would collect a simular like group of people and lead a revolt against current management and, to quote Michael Eisner, "bring the crazies back in charge." I do not believe in the saying "Money talks, ******** walks," I beleieve in the classic stuff, some of the new stuff. However, current management is blinded by the color green. Accounts, bean counters, who gives a Flying Wallenda? Bottom line, as the old saying goes is to "keep the customer (or in this case, the guest) satisfied" and if it means opening up the purse strings to do so (new theme lands, a new park, etc.), then damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead Mr. Christian.
It's a palace revolt in the making with many people getting upset on the naked pictures of Vanessa Anne Hudgens unfortunately. What would cryogentically frozen Walt (and he isn't) do in this situation?
I don't agree with this one.
HSM and HM are very popular but that doesn't mean they are abandoning the classics... the classics are everywhere at Disney! They are used in all the merch, they are all of the parks as characters, rides are still around, shows, etc etc and Lilo and Stitch is a classic hand-drawn animation, I mean, how is it any different from any other classic hand drawn animation??? How's it different from B&TB or Lion King, etc etc?
I think sometimes we get a little crazy about progress and change at Disney...
The one thing I will say is that I wish some of the new stuff was more related to the classic stuff, ie NEW hand drawn animated movies, etc... but we can hope on this Frog Princess or whatever it is (:
Also... it does make sense to use new, successful things in the parks. I do not like HSM at all... and I really hated having to hear it at work LOL. Buuuuuut it is a Disney product, it is popular and a lot of people would expect to see it in the parks. And if we want the parks to thrive they do have to keep making money and it draws people in.
Quote from: "anthonysprincess"I don't agree with this one.
HSM and HM are very popular but that doesn't mean they are abandoning the classics... the classics are everywhere at Disney! They are used in all the merch, they are all of the parks as characters, rides are still around, shows, etc etc and Lilo and Stitch is a classic hand-drawn animation, I mean, how is it any different from any other classic hand drawn animation??? How's it different from B&TB or Lion King, etc etc?
I think sometimes we get a little crazy about progress and change at Disney...
The one thing I will say is that I wish some of the new stuff was more related to the classic stuff, ie NEW hand drawn animated movies, etc... but we can hope on this Frog Princess or whatever it is (:
Also... it does make sense to use new, successful things in the parks. I do not like HSM at all... and I really hated having to hear it at work LOL. Buuuuuut it is a Disney product, it is popular and a lot of people would expect to see it in the parks. And if we want the parks to thrive they do have to keep making money and it draws people in.
I agree with you there anthony's princess, in order to want the public to want and need Animated Classic Disney, and I believe the re releases with Platinum or Special Editions every 3 months of the year to be the way of giving children who have never heard of Pinocchio (and trust me I know children who have never heard of even bigger classics including Little Mermaid and Snow White).
We as a group brought up on Classic Disney are going to have to take the new stuff as Disney aren't going to Abandon its BIG massive money spinning productions... It wants to attract people into the Franchise and watch them take up and pick up more and more of the Disney Culture... and with it the Classics (hopefully)
Quote from: "Barnsey313"Hmm... Maybe there was something I missed when I watched Lilo and Stitch.... Maybe if I see it a second time it might grow on me......
As for everything about the Princesses and HSM etc. I completely agree and I dislike the way tinkerbell has become part of the 'Disney fairies'... There's only ONE disney fairy! and she isn't the same when she isn't with Hook (One of my favorite characters)
James. :donald:
Now the Tinkerbell Movie franchise for me is a great move on continuing the legacy of Peter Pan, even if it does look like she's selling out but for me the story for what's happening with the plot is great, it picks up on the writings of both Peter Pan and Wendy author J.M.Barrie and Peter Pan in Scarlet's Geraldine McCaughrean on what makes and gives the fairies their little quirks!
Quote from: "Captain Pan"Now the Tinkerbell Movie franchise for me is a great move on continuing the legacy of Peter Pan, even if it does look like she's selling out but for me the story for what's happening with the plot is great, it picks up on the writings of both Peter Pan and Wendy author J.M.Barrie and Peter Pan in Scarlet's Geraldine McCaughrean on what makes and gives the fairies their little quirks!
Yeah, I mean I don't really personally like her having a voice now but then again its just a personal taste thing. I can understand that move (the new movies) in a lot of ways and it looks pretty sweet and the character designs are gorgeous <3
It not like thy're ever gonna remove the Classic stuff. I can't see them having Hidden Stitch silhouettes instead of MM. But even kids (like mine) raised on Snow White, Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty are still going to be exposed more to recent productions. If Disney didnt feel there was a market for HSM and HM merchandise, then there wouldn't be any. Suplly and Demand. As for Disney Fairies, if it doesnt prove popular or sell a lot of luchboxes, pretty soon you won't hear tell of it again.
Personally, I dont mind. I love watching my kids sing along and acting out ALL the scenes from HMS cause it makes them happy ( or my son to any film with a sword ). And at the end of the day, that's the most important thing.
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"It not like thy're ever gonna remove the Classic stuff. I can't see them having Hidden Stitch silhouettes instead of MM. But even kids (like mine) raised on Snow White, Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty are still going to be exposed more to recent productions. If Disney didnt feel there was a market for HSM and HM merchandise, then there wouldn't be any. Suplly and Demand. As for Disney Fairies, if it doesnt prove popular or sell a lot of luchboxes, pretty soon you won't hear tell of it again.
Personally, I dont mind. I love watching my kids sing along and acting out ALL the scenes from HMS cause it makes them happy ( or my son to any film with a sword ). And at the end of the day, that's the most important thing.
Yeah exactly. And if you think about it, the classic stuff was new once right?
Quote from: "anthonysprincess"Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"It not like thy're ever gonna remove the Classic stuff. I can't see them having Hidden Stitch silhouettes instead of MM. But even kids (like mine) raised on Snow White, Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty are still going to be exposed more to recent productions. If Disney didnt feel there was a market for HSM and HM merchandise, then there wouldn't be any. Suplly and Demand. As for Disney Fairies, if it doesnt prove popular or sell a lot of luchboxes, pretty soon you won't hear tell of it again.
Personally, I dont mind. I love watching my kids sing along and acting out ALL the scenes from HMS cause it makes them happy ( or my son to any film with a sword ). And at the end of the day, that's the most important thing.
Yeah exactly. And if you think about it, the classic stuff was new once right?
Yeah it's like what I touched on sayin that it does make other people happy.
I just wish that there would be more merch dedicated to the classics, cause sometimes there is more of the new stuff than the old, I'd like a compromise.
Quote from: "burntsienna"Quote from: "anthonysprincess"Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"It not like thy're ever gonna remove the Classic stuff. I can't see them having Hidden Stitch silhouettes instead of MM. But even kids (like mine) raised on Snow White, Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty are still going to be exposed more to recent productions. If Disney didnt feel there was a market for HSM and HM merchandise, then there wouldn't be any. Suplly and Demand. As for Disney Fairies, if it doesnt prove popular or sell a lot of luchboxes, pretty soon you won't hear tell of it again.
Personally, I dont mind. I love watching my kids sing along and acting out ALL the scenes from HMS cause it makes them happy ( or my son to any film with a sword ). And at the end of the day, that's the most important thing.
Yeah exactly. And if you think about it, the classic stuff was new once right?
Yeah it's like what I touched on sayin that it does make other people happy.
I just wish that there would be more merch dedicated to the classics, cause sometimes there is more of the new stuff than the old, I'd like a compromise.
I can agree in that sense... I get annoyd when old stuff which is obivously better gets pushed aside for new, but crummyish stuff (i dont want to start an arguement BUT my examples are Extraterrorestrial Alien Encounter turned Stitch's Great Escape and Mr Toad's Wild Ride turned Winnie the Pooh... :( )
QuoteYeah it's like what I touched on sayin that it does make other people happy.
I just wish that there would be more merch dedicated to the classics, cause sometimes there is more of the new stuff than the old, I'd like a compromise.
I know what you mean. But look at he Disney Sotes as an example. When a new film comes out, they go crazy trying to push all the lastest cup,dress-ups, toys, beach towels, branded pencils etc. and everything else gets pushed to the sidelines. I dont remember anyone complaining that they couldnt find a Snow White pencil case because everything had Wall-E on it.
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"QuoteYeah it's like what I touched on sayin that it does make other people happy.
I just wish that there would be more merch dedicated to the classics, cause sometimes there is more of the new stuff than the old, I'd like a compromise.
I know what you mean. But look at he Disney Sotes as an example. When a new film comes out, they go crazy trying to push all the lastest cup,dress-ups, toys, beach towels, branded pencils etc. and everything else gets pushed to the sidelines. I dont remember anyone complaining that they couldnt find a Snow White pencil case because everything had Wall-E on it.
I think they should push the new films for a certain period of time, and then equalize the merchendise between the old and the new. Though I do understand that some things will sell better than others. I think that some classic stuff would still sell really well, for example the Disney Traditions figures =] which I am very happy to have about.
I always see adverts for Hannah Montana or HSM, but never for something like the Disney Traditions, which makes me think that half the time they don't sell half as well as they would because not as many people know about them.
Probably just laziness on the part of the Marketing department. Although afterall,its a bit hard to push something like Snow White to a mass audience, seeing as how its over 70 years old. Can't really brand it as new and exciting in today's market place. ( which is a shame really)
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Probably just laziness on the part of the Marketing department. Although afterall,its a bit hard to push something like Snow White to a mass audience, seeing as how its over 70 years old. Can't really brand it as new and exciting in today's market place. ( which is a shame really)
Perhaps it's the fact that Snow White is BEYOND advertising. She does not need to be advertised anymore.
Quote from: "anthonysprincess"Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Probably just laziness on the part of the Marketing department. Although afterall,its a bit hard to push something like Snow White to a mass audience, seeing as how its over 70 years old. Can't really brand it as new and exciting in today's market place. ( which is a shame really)
Perhaps it's the fact that Snow White is BEYOND advertising. She does not need to be advertised anymore.
I dont think that's true. The same thing could be said for Coca-Cola, but it doesnt stop them advertising
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Quote from: "anthonysprincess"Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Probably just laziness on the part of the Marketing department. Although afterall,its a bit hard to push something like Snow White to a mass audience, seeing as how its over 70 years old. Can't really brand it as new and exciting in today's market place. ( which is a shame really)
Perhaps it's the fact that Snow White is BEYOND advertising. She does not need to be advertised anymore.
I dont think that's true. The same thing could be said for Coca-Cola, but it doesnt stop them advertising
I see your point, but I also see crazy amounts of little girls wearing snow white costumes and begging their moms for them at work, and wanting to go on the snow white ride because they see snow white's picture on it (:( its a bit scary tho)
I mean coke's more like a whole company, so that would be more comparable to Disney. I dunno if I'm right but from what I've seen Snow White is pretty effectively recognised by almost every kid I see at work (MK)
It was insanely wierd when I went on work experience in the School, the Children could name any Pixar Character I described, or managed to poorly sketch out... and they could do it too with Donald and Mickey... I showed them Chip and Dale and they called them Alvin and Simion... I showed them Lumiere and they Struggled to tell me who he is or the movie he is from... So I had to give them a little bit of education through my sketch pad and the sending them home to youtube to watch the movies or pester the parents to see the Classics!
People are continually commenting on the continual addition of Pixar to the Parks and with my experience of the Older Children in Primary Schools those who were around when Emperors New Groove was released at the latest, Children now associate Disney with Pixar and each child rattled off 7 of the 9 Pixar Movies and gave me a running commentary of them better than the directors of the movies themselves could! Pixar unfortunately is the way forward... The Classics may just need to survive in Special Editions and the Advertisements and trailers for them on the DVD and before the release... and we just hope the WDI don't forget them too and rekindle the Classic Spirit of Disney and Hopefully John Lasseter can do it for Walt Disney Animation too
Quote from: "Captain Pan"The Classics may just need to survive in Special Editions and the Advertisements and trailers for them on the DVD and before the release... and we just hope the WDI don't forget them too and rekindle the Classic Spirit of Disney and Hopefully John Lasseter can do it for Walt Disney Animation too
I dissagree. The classics are re released in a timely manner, every 7 to 10 years, for a purpose....So they can be resold or "discovered" by a new generation.
Its funny to read that several people made comment about Beauty & the Beast or The Little Mermaid as being classics. They are, but they are also not old!
The introduction of the newer Disney stable is inevitable. The company cannot simply rest on its laurels and expect guests to live on nostalgic memories. HSM, love it or loath it, is a global phenomenom. One that makes money for a blue chip company. To the majority of youngsters, it is as much Disney as Snow White is. They have grown up with it, making it relevent to them.
DLRP or any of the parks would be stupid to ignore these characters, they are needed, and deserve a place in the park. All that said, it is imperitive that what we call "The Classics" are also represented, so they dont become a distant memory. The main reason they are imprortant to us is because we grew up with them, making them relevent to us. Bit like HSM to kids today....
Think of it this way - If there werent any new stuff, youd be complaining because of the lack of new stuff.
Quote from: "penfold12"Quote from: "Captain Pan"The Classics may just need to survive in Special Editions and the Advertisements and trailers for them on the DVD and before the release... and we just hope the WDI don't forget them too and rekindle the Classic Spirit of Disney and Hopefully John Lasseter can do it for Walt Disney Animation too
I dissagree. The classics are re released in a timely manner, every 7 to 10 years, for a purpose....So they can be resold or "discovered" by a new generation.
Its funny to read that several people made comment about Beauty & the Beast or The Little Mermaid as being classics. They are, but they are also not old!
I never said that The Classics weren't re released in acceptable times increments (Except for when you want one and you have to wait 3-4 years Lion King & Beauty and the Beast).
Technically Speaking Beauty & The Beast and The Little Mermaid along with Meet The Robinsons, Chicken Little are classed as Classics, By Disney Themselves look at the front covers of the DVD/VHS to see it and considering Chicken Little and Meet The Robinsons are there and they were brought out not that many years ago.
But then when you consider Beauty and The Beast and Little Mermaid, they are part of the Disney Animated Renaissance that occurred during the 80s through till Emperors New Groove.
This is a very interesting discussion. I don't mind the HSM and HM mercandise and shows at all. The only thing I mind is when they try to re-invent the classic characters as with Tinkerbelle and the big group of princesses. I don't like it when they add something "modern" to a classic story. Tink doesn't talk and that's it! The princesses are from different periods, lands, and adventures and don't belong together. I don't mind new movies, new rides, that Disney evolves. I just don't want them to almost mainly focus on mass merchandise where it all looks the same. The special thing about Disney is that everything is unique. The stories, the heroins and heroes. And when mass merchandise takes over it becomes dull. In 1992 the park had even more classic Disneythemed candy for instance. Everything had the EuroDisney logo and the icecreams were really special. Now it's Ben and Jerry's, a big brand not related to Disney. Much of the candy is still Disney but now also represented by big brands such as Pez. I'm not complaining, I love Disney. I just wish they'd go a little bit back to basics. Both in the parks and also in their global merchandise.
Captain Pan, I agree with what you are saying. What I was trying to say is that as the public, we only associate something as being a "classic" after a period of time. The marketing department at Disney however lauch some titles as classics.
Im not sure when a movie becomes a classic in the publics eye? This thread, bye bye classic Disney, is refering to the original golden age I presume.
I dont thisnk HSM or Meet the Robisons are classics, but are very relevent to kids today. For teh parks to remain relevent, they have to be updated. As for the "Classics", there arent many films over 50 years old that a 8 yer old would not only watch, but know every word to!
The upcoming range of hand drawn animation strike me as fitting the "Classic" tag. But why? Beacuse they are hand drawn, over the CGI of Meet the Robinsons? That said, is early Pixar tagged as Classic?
Quote from: "MizzRabbit""The only thing I mind is when they try to re-invent the classic characters as with Tinkerbell and the big group of princesses. I don't like it when they add something 'modern' to a classic story. Tink doesn't talk and that's it! The princesses are from different periods, lands, and adventures and don't belong together."
First, Tink's going to talk whether some of us like it or not...and second, sometimes, some things like the princess biz needs to be cleaned up.
Tinker Bell is my all time favourite Disney character so I'm petrified about hearing her speak.
My DD has seen most Disney Classic films and she loves them, they are the films I want her to grow up with. Not the likes of HM. We do love HSM though :D