Toy Story PlaylandNow open! - Opened 17th August 2010
Toy Story Playland is a brand new mini-land within Toon Studio themed to the popular Pixar Toy Story films with three attractions, immersive theming and photo locations. It sees you shrunk to the size of a toy, stepping into the thick grass of Andy's backyard to play with some of his most famous playthings.
Since the land is now open, we invite you to share thoughts, comments and discussion on the three main attractions in separate topics:
- Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop
Please continue to use this topic for all general news and discussion about the overall land.
Cool!
Though the Halfpipe Coast scares me abit.
The Children's Parachute Tower (similar to Jumpin' Jellyfish) looks amazing, hope I get to visit DLRP when they are all built!
Scuttle's Scooters has to be the fastest snails (atleast I think they are snails) I have ever seen :mrgreen:
Thanks for posting Kristof :mrgreen:
Oh my gosh i hope it never will see the daylight, this would be the badest thing they can do. after tower of terror and the hollywood blvd. they come up with this pice of crap...
whats wrong with them, to spend money in something that is just temporary and unthemed, money they can spend on a repaint of alice´s labyrinth or to save it for the next big and themed attractions or to begin with the theater district or what ever...
when they bring it up in 2010, it sounds like we will not se any new attraction in 2012 for toon studios.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"whats wrong with them, to spend money in something that is just temporary and unthemed,
If you read the OP, it says they WILL be themed.
QuoteIf you read the OP, it says they WILL be themed.
oops, right im sorry!
But it dosen´t matter if it themed or not that's money down the drain!
They can spend it in other stuff, in more important stuff!!
thats just what i think about it!!
Wow, thank you Raptor... that's the news of the day :) :D/ !!
The halfpipe thing is nothing for me though :D But I'd love such a Scuttle thing, hehe ;)! So there's no info about what the theming will be like?
Quote from: "lil-shawn"Oh my gosh i hope it never will see the daylight, this would be the badest thing they can do. after tower of terror and the hollywood blvd. they come up with this pice of crap...
whats wrong with them, to spend money in something that is just temporary and unthemed, money they can spend on a repaint of alice´s labyrinth or to save it for the next big and themed attractions or to begin with the theater district or what ever...
when they bring it up in 2010, it sounds like we will not se any new attraction in 2012 for toon studios.
I have no intention sounding "brusque" (hey people, I learned a new word not so long ago, I can finally use it! :lol: ), but what are you talking about????? This is EXPANSION with 3 new rides!!! A new miniature land with lots of theming and props??? What is wrong with that??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ratatouille is still a go for 2012!!!!! (will rephrase my message above, might not have been really clear), and Theatre District is going to happen too. See this all in a bigger picture please. The future for WDS is bright!! This is just a very small part of it! :wink:
Well I really, REALLY hope this is just a rumour. The Music Express could look okay, and possibly the paratower, but I can't imagine a halfpipe coaster looking good there at all. It really is a ride designed for Six Flags, not Disney.
Kristof, when you say they will be themed, how themed do you mean? Because it doesn't matter whether it's themed or not, it's how good the theming is. If, say, the paratower was themed similar to Jumpin' Jellyfish at DCA, in my opinion that certainly wouldn't do. WDS needs better than that, otherwise we're heading back to square one.
Also, will the Studio Tram Tour route have to be altered? I can't imagine all 3 of those rides fitting onto that small patch of grass. It will be very cramped if so.
Sounds like great news :D
Quote from: "Kristof"I have no intention sounding "brusque" (hey people, I learned a new word not so long ago, I can finally use it! :lol: ), but what are you talking about????? This is EXPANSION with 3 new rides!!! A new miniature land with lots of theming and props??? What is wrong with that??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I completely agree with you there Kristof, whats so bad about 3 new themed attractions!? WDS is moving forward with this and it can only make things better :D And i know how they theme it they will do a great job theming it. I honestly can't see how people are thinking this is bad news, it's made my day hearing it! :D/ Oh and i'm also not trying to sound "brusque" :lol: :lol:
QuoteI have no intention sounding "brusque" (hey people, I learned a new word not so long ago, I can finally use it! ), but what are you talking about????? This is EXPANSION with 3 new rides!!! A new miniature land with lots of theming and props??? What is wrong with that???
hey kristof, i dont have any problem with the idea itself to make a miniature land, it´s the choise of the rides and that it will be temporary, vor me that's money down the drain!
I tryed to say before they make just temporary attractions and spend a lot of money, they sould spend it otherwise. A Music Express ride and a Children's Parachute Tower with the right themening i think it would be okay but the Halfpipe Coaster, i don´t know, it´s really nothing for Disney.
So when they do it it´s okay for me, i just hope they do it good and find the right theme!!
I hope now u understand what i was try to say :) :wink:
QuoteRatatouille is still a go for 2012!!!!! (will rephrase my message above, might not have been really clear), and Theatre District is going to happen too. See this all in a bigger picture please. The future for WDS is bright!! This is just a very small part of it!
okay than i´m calmed down :D
Quote from: "lil-shawn"it´s the choise of the rides and that it will be temporary, vor me that's money down the drain!
Again, please read the first post! They won't be temporary! Disney doesn't do temporary like this. They're just trying to add a huge amount of extra capacity to Toon Studio for a fairly minimal cost -- expand it into something that can sit well as a cousin of Fantasyland.
The cost vs. final result ratio here will be great for the park. No longer will you get to Cars Quatre Roues Rallye and then "that's it!", you'll have five great flat rides to choose from in the area. These are exactly the kind of walk-on continuous rides we used to always wish for at WDS. Since their last expansion only really brought us Cars (Crush isn't exactly something you can do on a whim), this (and Ratatouille) would complete the land.
I just think they should scrap the half-pipe. That's the only ride of the 3 that I think will look bad. Another roller coaster isn't needed, and it's just too much of a thrill ride for DLRP. It's also a really low capacity attraction - Haven't they learnt from Crush's Coaster that's not a good idea? :|
The Paratower I'm unsure about. It could looks good, but it could look terrible too. We'll have to wait and see. Also, like the half-pipe, it's a fairly low capacity attraction.
I think the music express however could look good. As long as it is themed well - At least as good as Cars Quatre Roues Rallye.
It all depends on the theming for me. If they have a great wonderful gorgeous (making me tears in my eyes cause all that joy) theming it could be a wonderful expansion for toon studios. I hope it will be such a wonderful one.
I´ve also some issues to get how they will make disapear this big U from the half-pipe-thing. For the other two attractions I´m hoping for something special and more elaborate theme.
There are allreade such themed attraction in european theme parks like tripsdrill:
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The theming is ok. But not Disney! So I only can hope that we get something nice. And for me, nice means not to develope a little Toy Story Land to have ONE MORE Toy Story attraction at DLRP. I clearly see some green army man at the tower, a big game box behind it to hint the big U and some woody-horsed to ride on it around.....I love Toy Story...but I find enough of it at DLRP.
So if the theming is right and remarkabel it could be a wonderful little land inside of Toon Studio. But if they just to a run-of-the-mill-imagineering-fast-quick-and-cheapy theming it could be the absolute worst for the steps to better theming inside WDS (which begans with ToT)
By the way: The theater district placemaking is still in mind :shock: :D Do someone (Raptor, yes I use this brusque name) know when this could start? Maybe a little post inside the Theater-district-topic? [-o<
this sounds good!! the half pipe rollercoaster does seem a bit scary though!!
i love the idea of scuttles scooters that sounds exciting!!
glad that it will be themed!!!
i am glad to here that Ratatouille ride is still on track for 2012!
Ok, where to start... I understand your statement, Kristof. I understand they want to add capacity to the WDS. But are these rumoured rides really adding the needed capacity? Wouldn't it be cheaper to copy any of the existing 3D movies from the USA parks (Mickey's Philarmagic for example)?
As for the rides... I can live with two of them, but not the half-pipe. Anyway, this all explains the height tests done some time ago. At least, it now seems logical that it was all for the parachute tower. The parachute ride is still rumoured though.
I don't know... I guess I need to give it some time to get used to it. I'm trying not to bash anything I haven't seen completed, but it's very hard for me to see the rumoured additions work in our WDS.
they all look really good to me, my only concern is capacity, it says the half pipe can handle 1000 people per hour. Will there be 2 half pipes?? Crush can handle about 1000 guests per hour and looked what has happened there. Disney knows Europeans like thrill rides ( thats what led to the quick introduction of the vekoma coaster - indiana jones and the temple of peril - back in the day ) We all know imagineers do a great job so im sure it will be well themed, also if its due to open in 2010 then we wont have long to wait until an announcement as it less than 18 months away :D :D :D :D
Quote from: "Kristof"It seems that a large expansion of Toon Studio is currently being planned out by Imagineers for the grass area behind Art of Disney Animation.
The three smaller, but definitely themed and permanent rides will most likely form a mini-land, similar to "A Bugs Land" at Disney's California Adventure Park and Mermaid Lagoon at Tokyo Disney Sea.
Just to clear things up, is this supposed to become an extension of Toon Studio or will it become a seperated mini-land? Or a mini-land inside Toon Studio? I don't really understand. Maybe they can get rid of the half-pipe coaster idea and opt for Flik's Flyers instead. At least that would be a fun attraction that small children can ride aswell.
Any news on the addition of a simple playground? Although it was announcent back in 2003 (together with the Vinci Parking right?), it never materialised. I think it would be a great addition for small kids. Maybe a filmset version of Pooh's Playful Spot?
I am glad that the new additions won't be temporary and unthemed like early rumours suggested. At least now I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully Disney will have some more budget soon so they can add a real shop to Toon Studio and add restaurant capacity since that would bring in the cash, but that's way offtopic. These new addition are just quick and cheap (hopefully it won't show).
The attraction at TDL works so well, because the surrounding area is soooo richly themed.
I truely believe that the themeing of the Cars attraction in DLP is great. A very simple attraction, but the themeing makes the ride incidental for adults, and the ride perfect for kids.
If we get that level or better of themeing, then im a happy bunny.
That said, I have to say, the half pipe attraction is the one that worries me. That really stands out as a Six Flags attarction, the challenge is there for WDI to make that ride become a themed attraction worthy of a place in a Disney Theme Park. WDS has taken long enough to become a Walt Disney Theme Park, I just hope these attractions bring enough theming to continue this evolution
Hmmmm, I am very nervous. I do not really like the look of the Mermaid Lagoon, and I have been to DCA, and while the theming of Flicks is good, the attractions suck and have very low capacity. I am not optimistic about this at all.
Again, a sign that Disney either does toons or thrills these days, they have lost their way.
Mermaid Lagoon looks wonderful to me. Yes, it has the off-the-shelf rides and a lot of fauxness, but it handles it with attention to detail and whimsy. Tokyo DisneySea is probably the most "immersive" park on the planet, so it can afford one area that doesn't try to convince you with all its might that it is real.
The Walt Disney Studios however is a whole 'nother story, and you just know that whatever is going to fill in that patch of land is not going to match up to the watery peaks of Mermaid Lagoon.
Here is the famous Al Lutz photo tour for anyone who's curious:
http://www.mouseplanet.com/tokyo/tdstour/tdstour9.htm (http://www.mouseplanet.com/tokyo/tdstour/tdstour9.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
It also includes a comparison between DisneySea's Jumpin' Jellyfish and Disney's California Adventure's. Same ride, very different packaging.
Quote from: "RnRCj"I just think they should scrap the half-pipe. That's the only ride of the 3 that I think will look bad. Another roller coaster isn't needed, and it's just too much of a thrill ride for DLRP. It's also a really low capacity attraction - Haven't they learnt from Crush's Coaster that's not a good idea? :|
That's a really spot-on observation. It's automatically going to be a bit of a "weenie" because of its height. Then add in the coaster aspect and you know it's going to draw people in massively. The standard version only takes 16 people per ride. SIXTEEN?!
That's four cars passing by on Crush but in about 3 or 4 times the amount of time.
Quote from: "RnRCj"The Paratower I'm unsure about. It could looks good, but it could look terrible too. We'll have to wait and see. Also, like the half-pipe, it's a fairly low capacity attraction.
But don't assume that because DCA and TDS have two para-towers side by side, there would be the same number in Paris... that's a capacity problem that can be easily fixed.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Again, a sign that Disney either does toons or thrills these days, they have lost their way.
Adding
toon-themed rides to
Toon Studio to me does not seem to be a sign they've lost their way.
Quote from: "pussinboots"The Walt Disney Studios however is a whole 'nother story, and you just know that whatever is going to fill in that patch of land is not going to match up to the watery peaks of Mermaid Lagoon.
Well, now the bar has been set low. If it's as good as the first Toon Studio expansion, I'll be happy. But you've got to remember -- we're talking about a movie studio-themed park here. There aren't really
meant to be any sweeping vistas of natural landscapes. Save that stuff for the more classic parks. Comparing DisneySea with Walt Disney Studios is pretty ridiculous. Chalk and cheese.
And just to answer - I think - Maarten, everything we know suggests the three attractions will definitely be part of Toon Studio but will probably have a common theme and be a kind of sub-land, just like a bug's land as Kristof said.
You're absolutely right about the playground too, it's madness they haven't even added one of those when the DLP ones are so popular and WDS completely lacks things for that age group. Especially when they did announce it, as you say.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Again, a sign that Disney either does toons or thrills these days, they have lost their way.
Adding toon-themed rides to Toon Studio to me does not seem to be a sign they've lost their way.
Well, they only added Toon Studio last year, and considering the park's other big addition, Dave seems to be right on the money. As for toons in Toon Studio; they
could for example opt for something that delves deeper into the world of animation. It doesn't always have to be an existing Vekoma staple with a popular Pixar franchise plastered on it.
But while it is true that the Fantasyland demographic is largely ignored at the park, and perhaps a few more simple, funfair-style rides might actually be a good idea, the patch of land behind Art of Disney Animation is not the place to put them. Isn't the layout arbitrary enough as it is? Will the future Hollywood Boulevard addition really benefit from a set of kiddie rides located two feet from the backs of its buildings, and what kind of a sight is the back of Art of Disney Animation anyway? I just can't see this working out at all.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "pussinboots"The Walt Disney Studios however is a whole 'nother story, and you just know that whatever is going to fill in that patch of land is not going to match up to the watery peaks of Mermaid Lagoon.
Well, now the bar has been set low. If it's as good as the first Toon Studio expansion, I'll be happy. But you've got to remember -- we're talking about a movie studio-themed park here. There aren't really meant to be any sweeping vistas of natural landscapes. Save that stuff for the more classic parks. Comparing DisneySea with Walt Disney Studios is pretty ridiculous. Chalk and cheese.
Well, that's the most depressing thing of all. The thought that attractions in nondescript sound stages is the best we can hope for from a studio-themed park (a thought mercifully if perhaps briefly interrupted by the Tower of Terror). To think there are votes to build the Indiana Jones Adventure at the Studios...
But they darn well should be compared. If a fantastical underwater landscape is too much to ask for from a studio park, that is not to say there can't be an equally thrilling alternative that does befit such a park. And while they're saving up their euros to build such thrills, there are surely better ways to quickly improve capacity than by dressing up half pipe rides.
QuoteAgain, please read the first post! They won't be temporary! Disney doesn't do temporary like this. They're just trying to add a huge amount of extra capacity to Toon Studio for a fairly minimal cost -- expand it into something that can sit well as a cousin of Fantasyland.
The cost vs. final result ratio here will be great for the park. No longer will you get to Cars Quatre Roues Rallye and then "that's it!", you'll have five great flat rides to choose from in the area. These are exactly the kind of walk-on continuous rides we used to always wish for at WDS. Since their last expansion only really brought us Cars (Crush isn't exactly something you can do on a whim), this (and Ratatouille) would complete the land.
okay anthony ure right, i never saw it that way, sorry....
i was thinking lang time about it, now i have to say, im happy they wanna do these rides,
the studios park need something more for kids :) i don´t like the photos of the ride how they look unthemed, thats the reason why i don´t liked the idea.
Now i hope the theming would be huge and great!!
Quotei don´t like the photos of the ride how they look unthemed, thats the reason why i don´t liked the idea.
Can you guess the Disney-ride? :wink:
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*lol* very funny, i dont like these pics either.
with themening from disney the rides looks even better :mrgreen:
first pic: Rock´n´Rollercoaster
second pic: Cars Race Rally
third pic: I think Space mountain or?
fourth pic: Crush Coaster
but after all these pics are ugly and the rides looks not good!!!!!
i know disney will do something good... so now everyone is happy?
I quite argee with all of you now :mrgreen: :P
Quote from: "lil-shawn"*lol* very funny, i dont like these pics either.
with themening from disney the rides looks even better :mrgreen:
first pic: Rock´n´Rollercoaster
second pic: Cars Race Rally
third pic: I think Space mountain or?
fourth pic: Crush Coaster
but after all these pics are ugly and the rides looks not good!!!!!
i know disney will do something good... so now everyone is happy?
I quite argee with all of you now :mrgreen: :P
Lol, glad you got my point. The Third one is actually Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril!
Anyway, the Imagineers working on this
rumoured project are not making the same mistake they made with the original WDS.
QuoteLol, glad you got my point. The Third one is actually Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril!
Anyway, the Imagineers working on this rumoured project are not making the same mistake they made with the original WDS.
oh okay indiana jones i have to save it in mind :P
i hope they will not make the mistakes anymore, we will see how it will come out...
maybe later im ashamed, because they did it so fantastic :mrgreen:
Raptor, I totaly agree, and its a point well made. My only concern, and I really should wait until we get more information, is that the Half Pipe attraction, is just so basic, and really doesnt lend itself to much story/themeing!
What made the coasters in those pics work for Disney is the themeing and back story for each of them. Unless im missing something, the half pipe which is in essence one curve of track, does not give much scope.
Oh, and personally, I have always been let down by Indianna Jones and teh Temple of Peril. I think the thememing, including the que is great, then the actual ride is so small and compact, it doesnt live up to the themeing. Always thought it could of benifited from a longer track, with some straight runs, to add to the illusion of a mine cart lol!
I see a lot of mixed reactions here. But there's one thing that most of us agree about... The halfpipe does not belong to the WDS. But I actually wonder how much of the expansion has been confirmed.
Kristof, in your opening post you somewhat 'confirm' the expansion to be happening. But you still talk about rumoured attractions. So perhaps we're all worried about the wrong choice of rides, while nothing has been confirmed yet.
i was amazed when i found out their was a ride exactly the same as RnRC :p
QuoteKristof, in your opening post you somewhat 'confirm' the expansion to be happening. But you still talk about rumoured attractions.
Technically, when an expansion is not officially announced, it's still a rumour... :wink:
Quote from: "Nicholas-c"i was amazed when i found out their was a ride exactly the same as RnRC :p
The coaster is called Xpress (former Superman the Ride) at Walibi World (former Six Flags Holland). It opened in 2000, 2 years before the Parisian Rock 'n RollerCoaster.
Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "Nicholas-c"i was amazed when i found out their was a ride exactly the same as RnRC :p
The coaster is called Xpress (former Superman the Ride) at Walibi World (former Six Flags Holland). It opened in 2000, 2 years before the Parisian Rock 'n RollerCoaster.
What is it with European parks and name changes?
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "Nicholas-c"i was amazed when i found out their was a ride exactly the same as RnRC :p
The coaster is called Xpress (former Superman the Ride) at Walibi World (former Six Flags Holland). It opened in 2000, 2 years before the Parisian Rock 'n RollerCoaster.
What is it with European parks and name changes?
The park and ride changed names since Six Flags sold it's European parks and so the new owner didn't have the rights to it's original theme.
Quote from: "mehdi5"The park and ride changed names since Six Flags sold it's European parks and so the new owner didn't have the rights to it's original theme.
Actually, the park opened as Walibi Flevo, then changed to Six Flags Holland, to finally change to Walibi World. :P
Let's get it back on-topic again...
Quote from: "Remco K."Quote from: "mehdi5"The park and ride changed names since Six Flags sold it's European parks and so the new owner didn't have the rights to it's original theme.
Actually, the park opened as Walibi Flevo, then changed to Six Flags Holland, to finally change to Walibi World. :P
Let's get it back on-topic again...
Actually, it opened as "Flevohof" before it was taken over by the Belgian Walibi. :wink:
Haha. See?
Quote from: "Kristof"Actually, it opened as "Flevohof" before it was taken over by the Belgian Walibi. :wink:
Oh my gosh... you're right! Isn't the entrance area of the Xpress part of the former Flevohof? I forgot about that! ;)
Ehh, I'm really hoping this doesn't happen.. :( These rides just don't suit WDS, with or without excessive theming!
I am not sure how keen I am on those 3 rides, especially the first one because it looks so scary, however If they do appear in the parks I would love to see the theming and imagine they will probably look great!:)
I would love to see something done with the Studio Tram Tour though. Do they not understand how boring most of it is appart from Catasrophy Canyon? It really needs some money put into it!
Aveen xxx
I find the half pipe a very odd choice, unless it's a smaller version. It depends if they are adding rides simply for capacity, or are aiming for teens aswell as kids.
I'm sure they will pull it off in style, I just hope they don't start cramming when I'm waiting for the day they actually expand.
Themeing wise, I wonder if we will see classic Disney Mickey and pals, Pixar Disney or classic animation Disney. They have a wealth of choice and if Riverbend Mountain-(my Pocahontas Splash) never appears over the road, then I'm gonna wanna see something Pocahontas themed pretty quick! [-o<
I've updated the first topic and topic title with the latest information on the Toy Story Land after the article on Laughing Place yesterday:
Quote from: "Laughing Place"In addition WDI are looking to add a plethora of new attractions in a Toy Story-inspired mini-land that will take its cue from A Bug's Land at Disney's California Adventure Park. The working title for this area is Toy Storyland and the area will reside alongside the new Ratatouille dark ride. This will require a repositioning of the Studio Tram Tour: Behind the Magic as these two additions will be "inside" the tram route. Toy Storyland will provide up to five kid-friendly attractions and a Meet 'n' Greet area. The theme is likely to be Woody's Roundup from the fictional TV show from the two movies. Lasseter is hopeful that Toy Storyland will be ready to greet guests at around the time that the third movie is released in June '10 but it is likely to be later than that due to the significant work that will be required to alter the tram tour route.
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just a thought- you could make the half-pipe coaster toy story themed by making it look like the hot wheels track in andy's room - all it needs is making it look plasticy
but im sure imagineering could do an even better job than that
So, does this mean that Woody will leave Frontierland sometime soon? :wink:
I like the idea of having a uniting theme to these smaller attractions. And, considering what an amazing job they've done with "Cars", why should anyone be worried about the theming of these "carnival" rides? (Yes, I am also talking about that half-pipe rumour :wink: )
Quote from: "experiment627"So, does this mean that Woody will leave Frontierland sometime soon? :wink:
Oh I´m sure they can change the whole resorts name again into:
ToyStoryLands Resort ParisIs that the imagineering theming list?!:
[strike:1yfd77ng]1. Something great never seen before[/strike:1yfd77ng] (noo nooo to expensive)
2. Toy Story I
3. Toy Story II
4. Toy Story III
5. Buzz Lightyear
6. Something with woooooddy (cause everyone loves him)
7. Finding Nemo
8. Cars
9. Copy a theme from the us parks
10. copy a theme from the asian parks
11. make something new
I mean I love toy story! I love the movie! Really I doooo! But I don´t wanna see a Toy Story Attraction in every corner of DLRP.
We have THREE!!! (Buzz, Pizza Planet, Round up) locations that use the Toy Story theme in DLP
Next one: WDS.
Thank you for this great repeating. It´s getting boring now. :(
Quote from: "Riebi"Quote from: "experiment627"So, does this mean that Woody will leave Frontierland sometime soon? :wink:
Oh I´m sure they can change the whole resorts name again into:
ToyStoryLands Resort Paris
Is that the imagineering theming list?!:
[strike:y5c7t3o0]1. Something great never seen before[/strike:y5c7t3o0] (noo nooo to expensive)
2. Toy Story I
3. Toy Story II
4. Toy Story III
5. Buzz Lightyear
6. Something with woooooddy (cause everyone loves him)
7. Finding Nemo
8. Cars
9. Copy a theme from the us parks
10. copy a theme from the asian parks
11. make something new
I mean I love toy story! I love the movie! Really I doooo! But I don´t wanna see a Toy Story Attraction in every corner of DLRP.
We have THREE!!! (Buzz, Pizza Planet, Round up) locations that use the Toy Story theme in DLP
Next one: WDS.
Thank you for this great repeating. It´s getting boring now. :(
Exactly my thoughts... the imagineers JUST finished working on another big toy story attraction... it just feels like such a stupid move for the WDS, they need something unique..not again toy story!
We all know, that WDI is capable of SO much more, than just another T.S.-move. That being said, WDS really needs some further expanding, and this is the type of rides that are deperately lacking in this park. I am mostly looking forward to these new additions, but i would have been EXCTATIC about some original WDI-work uniqe to DLRP... we'll still have to dream (or settle with the rat-ride)
I don't really have an issue with having a Toy Story Land. Rather that than A Bugs Life (for me, Pixar's worst animated). The TS universe is big enough to have a diversity of themes, space, cowboy, toys, etc.
I understand that TSL might not sound as exciting as a big E-Ticket, but this is what WDS needs: more offerings for the kids in an immersive environment.
Besides, the more Pixar at WDS, the less there will be at Disneyland Park. :wink:
Pixar really suits the studios for me. Their version of fantasy land. The studios seem more modern than the magic kingdom, so pixar as the main focus over classic characters is to me a natural fit.
Thesecrides suit toy story. I read that the parachte ride will be themed around the little green men or the toy soldiers from toy story. The other attraction similar to the one at TDL rethemed to the incredibles and elasta girl. I just wonder what the theme is for the half pipe ride? Anyone know?
QuoteThe other attraction similar to the one at TDL rethemed to the incredibles and elasta girl. I just wonder what the theme is for the half pipe ride? Anyone know?
No sorry, Alain got that wrong. The whole land will be themed to Toy Story. :)
Are we sure that its a Half Pipe Coaster?
I would personally think a Disk-O would be a more likely ride choice. If its meant to be aimed at kids a Disk-O is less intimidating than a normal Half Pipe.
Pixar rides in the studios is ok! But it's just another Toy Story ride.. How can you be excited about that? Haven't we seen all the toy story stuff they can have/make for the themepark yet? After all the buzz lightyear rides they made, woody's roundup, toy story floats in parades, blockparty parade, pixar play parade, toy story mania..
You know, with the finding nemo ride we didn't know what to expect from the movie to see in the ride, now we know exactly what to expect..
Quote from: "Kristof"Besides, the more Pixar at WDS, the less there will be at Disneyland Park. :wink:
That's a good argument I think!
I always thought that Woody didn't really fit into Frontierland, or Buzz into a Jules-Verne-Discoveryland.
I think the Pixar stuff fits much better to the Studios and I'm really looking forward to this mini Theme-Land, although I would have preferred a Ratatouille mini-theme-land or so ;)!
I only hope that this skateboard-thing won't get too big, it seems scary and a bit ugly :lol:
Quote from: "Willow"Are we sure that its a Half Pipe Coaster?
I would personally think a Disk-O would be a more likely ride choice. If its meant to be aimed at kids a Disk-O is less intimidating than a normal Half Pipe.
I agree. A Disk-O would be much better than a halfpipe, and it would have more capacity too. The halfpipe is a bit to much for a Disney park, I think, although maybe it will be a smaller version so it's aimed towards families a bit more? That would be a bit better. I just can't imagine how a fully-sized Halfpipe Coaster could possibly work in a Dsney Park. :?
One good thing about the halfpipe coaster though - Disneyland Resort Paris will officially have the most roller coasters of any Disney Park. :lol:
Toy Story Land?? Please let this be a joke. :roll:
(Don't mean to offend anyone, i just hate Toy Story)
the half pipe coaster looks super boss!
The half-pipe looks like fun!
Not sure how to theme this thing to fit Toy Story though..
Quote from: "Kuzco"The half-pipe looks like fun!
Not sure how to theme this thing to fit Toy Story though..
Skateboard ?
Think first movie, rescueing buzz. Woody and the weird toy gang used a skateboard to get out to the garden :wink:
Aw you beat me to it Owain! Thats exactly the thought I had...
After all technically a skateboard is a toy.... so why wouldnt it fit? :?
Ah, ok! I've seen Toy Story once or twice, so that scene was not the first that I had thought of. Good one though.
I was at Legoland Günzburg today and they do have a very small version of the half pipe ride. It's a cute little ride. The board itself was a pirates ship and the base with the tracks was painted with waves. I think Imageneering can handle this easily if they use the small version (or a medium version if available) at Disneyland.
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:wink: I should certainly hope the Imagineers could do a better job, looks really tacky. But I do like the way the boat seems to rotate.
That is a Rockin' Tug, many parks have them, 3 opened this year in the UK alone. I can't see Disney getting one, they are all themed to boats and boats have nothing to do with toy story.
Quote from: "Willow"That is a Rockin' Tug, many parks have them, 3 opened this year in the UK alone. I can't see Disney getting one, they are all themed to boats and boats have nothing to do with toy story.
Boat + Imagination = Buzz Lightyear's Packaging
Pretty much easily done...
Or Even at Push RC would become the veichle if they follow the idea...
However Track theming and that of the main structure needs requires concern in my opinion...
That is actually not the halfpipe that was being reffered to, this it the model that has been talked about actually.
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It's also more intenste than the halfpipe you posted but it was a Zierer Model. This model on the picture was the intamin model being rumored, i think. Does look hard to theme really. However this model does seem easier to relate to Toy Story(the skateboard part).
Has horrible visions of the track being orange like a hot wheels track and a giant Buzz standing in the middle of the car, with the marketing blurb saying some rubbish like "Now everyone can fall with style".
I am really uncomfortable about these proposed new additions. they are the anti Disney to my mind.
I just can't see how something as huge and ugly as that could look good in a Disney park - themed or not. It's a horrible attraction that was specifically designed for thrill parks like Six Flags. :sick: The Toy Story theming just worries me even more.
But what is even worse is it will probabkly get 60 min queues for this dross!
For me: I´m not so much afraid about the new attractions. I´ve got also some problems with the big U but ok, they will theme it and we all know how our Indiana Jones Coaster or Cars would look like without a theming. So I think EVERYTHING can be well themed by WDI.
The park need more little "Fantasyland-Fun-Fair" Attractions (remember fantasyland without Dumbo, Lancelot, Mad Hatters...) They need more capacity and more rides. The question could be: Why haven´t they build this "little" rides in 2002 but ok, that´s the past and we won´t change it.
At the moment it seems to be a fact, that WDS has more guests then ever. They have queues and that for the first time in their life! So it´s a good step to develope WDS and Toon Studios to a real and bigger "land" for the small ones (And that means not that you won´t see myself on the rides :mrgreen: ) So: Yes, they hardly need some small rides to have a more Disney Park ambiance. We can say they haven´t choose the right rides. But as all what we are talking about are just "rumours" we even don´t know this. If they build the 3 rides we are talking about I´m very "excited" about this half pipe think cause it´s BIG. And Big rides need a proper and ...well.... expensive theming. Without this it just would be a simple funfair ride.(but cause we can´t watch into the future (maybe we should ask leota) we even don´t know how they hide it)
The rumoured Toy Story Land is a bigger problem for me then the rides itself. Toy Story is now after toy story-attractions at every corner a bit lame. (and nooo I also don´t wan´t a bug´s land :mrgreen: )
The point is, most families won't even be able to ride the half pipe.
I don't have as much of a problem with dumbo and teacups because we also have a number of dark rides around it. I don't think anyone goes to a disney resort for the Carousel - they go for unique only at disney attractions.
It doesn't have to be an e-ticket, I just can't but think this is not the right direction of travel. something like the Monster's Inc ride in California or Tokyo would make much more sense if they needed to theme it, or Roger Rabbit Cartoon Spin.
I do not want to see steel monoliths in my Disney parks.
I know what you mean.
I think the thing is, that such rides are normaly build from day one. Or they build rides like this beside bigger projects like cars near crush.
But we know: They haven´t build such rides (except les tapis) at opening day. So they must now reverse this mistakes.
It could be a change for the future developement of WDS but it could also be a deep black hole. All depends on the theming for me.
To see only one steel monoliths would be the hardest thing ever. I could go to Europa Park Rust to see stell monoliths with some theming around. I hope for a proper solution.
I have faith that these can all be themed to the max and everyone will love them, the studios need new capacity quick and this will give it to them, it will also look like another rush of new attractions at DLRP. When i talk to my friends about Paris they ask what the latest rides are, much as they do with Thorpe Park and Alton Towers. I cant speak for our continental friends but it seems a theme park to us brits is successful if it keeps adding new attractions.
I don't really like the sound of this half pipe ride,even with theming it will be huge and take away from the great job they have done with TOT,and won't it be very visible from DL and really intrude into the sightlines ?
Out of the three rides, the half pipe worries me, even after comments of heavy theming.
It seems very basic to be able to dress up with theming. I think of indy and crush attractions when I think of Disney taking a basic attraction and plussing it.
Even Dumbo and the carpets. But one u shaped track doesnt fill me with much hope. I really hope though that I have to eat my words.
I just dont want to be able to see two pieces of track sticking up over Hollywood Blv.....
Quote from: "penfold12"Out of the three rides, the half pipe worries me, even after comments of heavy theming.
It seems very basic to be able to dress up with theming. I think of indy and crush attractions when I think of Disney taking a basic attraction and plussing it.
Even Dumbo and the carpets. But one u shaped track doesnt fill me with much hope. I really hope though that I have to eat my words.
I just dont want to be able to see two pieces of track sticking up over Hollywood Blv.....
That's exactly how I feel. It just seems to tall to be able to be themed well. If it was a smaller version, something like a Disk-O Coaster or a Rockin' Tug, then I'm sure it could be themed well. But this will be a huge challenge for the Imagineers and I'm unsure if they will pull it off. :?
I'll remind all those worried that this is still a RUMOUR. :)
I know that there are a lot of negative comments going around this topic, but you've got to keep in mind that if it were as bad as it seems, then EDI probably wouldn't do it. I for one have complete faith that EDI won't screw this up, especially after the last few years the resort has had. And besides, these are just rumors at the minute, it could turn out that there won't be a half pipe coaster after all :wink:
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"I know that there are a lot of negative comments going around this topic, but you've got to keep in mind that if it were as bad as it seems, then EDI probably wouldn't do it. I for one have complete faith that EDI won't screw this up, especially after the last few years the resort has had. And besides, these are just rumors at the minute, it could turn out that there won't be a half pipe coaster after all :wink:
Sorry to correct you, but EDLI (Disneyland Paris Imagineering) is not designing this project. They only do small stuff like lighting and things like those sponsored food kiosks (including the wonderful Coca-Cola truck on Main Street and the toppings bars in Videopolis)... It's Walt Disney Imagineering in Burbank that's behind all the new (and old) projects. :D
Does anyone know when this project is going to be announced by DLRP? Could it be as early as this year? Surely they wouldn't announce it any later than the start of next year if it's scheduled for June 2010.
I know the topic title still says rumour in big capital letters, but with all the recent news and articles it seems that this mini-land is definitely happening. :lol:
Quote from: "Kristof"Sorry to correct you, but...
No worries, thanks for clearing that up :)
I've just made a very quick, very inaccurate expansion map of WDS. I don't have a clue where everything is going to be placed, these are just my guesses based on information we have so far. The main reason I made it was to try and work out how all these expansions would fit into the Studios; it has been bugging me. :lol:
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I love Toy Story therefore I like the idea of a Toy Storyland...come on, whats there to hate..?
Quote from: "DanielCraig"I love Toy Story therefore I like the idea of a Toy Storyland...come on, whats there to hate..?
Its not people hating toy story, its their opinion that there is too much toy story in our resort.
I for one welcome this as i am a number one toy story fan !
Quote from: "Owain"Quote from: "DanielCraig"I love Toy Story therefore I like the idea of a Toy Storyland...come on, whats there to hate..?
Its not people hating toy story, its their opinion that there is too much toy story in our resort.
I for one welcome this as i am a number one toy story fan !
Too much Toy Story? Buzz lightyears laser blast and....ummm...the shop thats in it=? is there anything else toy story related in the parks? (ok, one floater in the parade too...)
edit- oh yeah, the woodys roundup...well is it really that noticeable=? its hidden away far far in the corner of frontierland...so it doesnt count as much..
Quote from: "Owain"Quote from: "DanielCraig"I love Toy Story therefore I like the idea of a Toy Storyland...come on, whats there to hate..?
Its not people hating toy story, its their opinion that there is too much toy story in our resort.
I for one welcome this as i am a number one toy story fan !
I don't think there's too much Toy Story in the Resort. The TS universe is wide enough to have multiple themes and stories without having the feeling its repeating itself. Besides, WDW has the same amount of Toy Story tie-ins as DLRP.
Well, why build multiple toy story rides/themed areas when some other important movies don't have a ride? Like the little mermaid, beauty and the beast (!!!!), 101 Dalmatians, Winnie the Pooh, The Lion King, Wall-E...
They could build excellent new rides with those movies..
Quote from: "RnRCj"I've just made a very quick, very inaccurate expansion map of WDS. I don't have a clue where everything is going to be placed, these are just my guesses based on information we have so far. The main reason I made it was to try and work out how all these expansions would fit into the Studios; it has been bugging me. :lol:
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Very nice, well done. And what's more, I can actually see that happening! :wink: =D>
Quote from: "Japper"Well, why build multiple toy story rides/themed areas when some other important movies don't have a ride? Like the little mermaid, beauty and the beast (!!!!), 101 Dalmatians, Winnie the Pooh, The Lion King, Wall-E...
They could build excellent new rides with those movies..
Well Toy Story is better than those movies you named imho, the only one i have very very fond memories with from my childhood.
And of course its good they do anything at all anywhere. So why whine?:)
that map looks about right, only thing I might add, is the talk of the costume building being moved.....
There has been talk of this, how true it is I don't know. If it is true if makes way for decent expansion of toon studios, but how does it leave the already delapidated tram tour...
Quote from: "Japper"Well, why build multiple toy story rides/themed areas when some other important movies don't have a ride? Like the little mermaid, beauty and the beast (!!!!), 101 Dalmatians, Winnie the Pooh, The Lion King, Wall-E...
They could build excellent new rides with those movies..
I think it depends on the whole themeing. Toy Story fits much better into the Studios than Winnie or the Lion King. These movies fit better into Disneyland Park and its atmosphere.
And - don´t forget the different "generations". People who have our age know and like Winnie and Beauty and the beast... But the young children know and LOVE the younger movies - like TS. Proof is the success of Buzz at DL.
Quote from: "Japper"Well, why build multiple toy story rides/themed areas when some other important movies don't have a ride? Like the little mermaid, beauty and the beast (!!!!), 101 Dalmatians, Winnie the Pooh, The Lion King, Wall-E...
They could build excellent new rides with those movies..
Ariel is swimming to DLRP soon...
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "Japper"Well, why build multiple toy story rides/themed areas when some other important movies don't have a ride? Like the little mermaid, beauty and the beast (!!!!), 101 Dalmatians, Winnie the Pooh, The Lion King, Wall-E...
They could build excellent new rides with those movies..
Ariel is swimming to DLRP soon...
Really?? I loved the original idea for the mermaid ride, it's my favourite film. I would love it if they made an Ariel themed ride, even they didn't go with the original concept :lol: :D :D/
Quote from: "Kristof"Ariel is swimming to DLRP soon...
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Been thinking about the Half pipe coaster/Disk-O/Rockin' Tug/Whatever.
DLRP and Disney in general have a good relationship with Vekoma. Could they be thinking about using the Vekoma version of the Half Pipe? Never been built anywhere else in the world and instead of a launch it uses a chain system.
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This laughing place article speaks of up to 5 attractions. I just believe at the tree mentioned before but what could other attractions for this area be?
so, surely at some point in the future Toy Story Land will get Toy Story Mania right? it seems to have been a massive success in the american parks.
Quote from: "anthony2k6"so, surely at some point in the future Toy Story Land will get Toy Story Mania right? it seems to have been a massive success in the american parks.
I really hope not. Even more Toy Story is baaaaad. :sick:
^Why? If its placed in Toystoryland then there's no problem. Mania is a proven hit that would do WDS the world of good.
I don't think there are any solid plans or proposals to add Toy Story Midway Mania to Toon Studio. As far as we know, the current proposal is a Toy Story mini-land of several (likely three) small flat rides with a large-scale Ratatouille dark ride "anchoring" the land a few years later. Not TSMM.
Quote from: "anthony2k6"so, surely at some point in the future Toy Story Land will get Toy Story Mania right? it seems to have been a massive success in the american parks.
Has it really been a massive success??? I have read that the DCA version hasn't had much of an impact on the park attendance.
Am I the only one who finds the whole TSM concept really boring? It's like going to a theme park and playing arcade games all day, at least Buzz Lightyear is an actual dark ride with a story. I would much rather see the technology used for something more interesting like the Monsters Inc ride being built in Tokyo.
I can't wait for the Ratatouille ride, the more I hear about it the more I think it is going to be something truly special. I just hope that by then they have turned the area into 'Pixar Place' and come up with a more cohesive theme.
Quote from: "Yesitsme"Am I the only one who finds the whole TSM concept really boring? It's like going to a theme park and playing arcade games all day, at least Buzz Lightyear is an actual dark ride with a story. I would much rather see the technology used for something more interesting like the Monsters Inc ride being built in Tokyo.
I agree. TSM doesn't really appeal to me. I like a dark ride where I can get lost and feel like I've been transported into another place, with surprises around every corner. TSM just has a really basic layout and it seems very repetitive.
We've only just got Buzz Lightyear anyway. We don't need another Toy Story themed interactive dark ride.
I just wanted to say that I rode such a skateboard-ride-type last Friday, but in a much smoother/softer way than the example in the video I guess ;)!
When I looked at the video-example on the first page, I thought: THIS thing in a more child-themed land? I'd never go on it!!!
But the wheelride I rode in the Movie Park Germany last week was so amazing, my heart was beating so fast while queueing, when this fast thing rushed for- and backwards next to us, with the people on it screaming :mrgreen: It was already dark, and because of the fact that "our" wheel was pretty big and the ride was more like a wave than a "U", the spinning wasn't bad at all!
Here's a video of it, but it becomes much faster when it's over the little hill in the middle:
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I really hope that WDS will, if this attraction's not only a rumour, prefer the Movie Park type of ride instead of such a big "U" ;)!
are you refering to the crazy surfer nala???
Yes I am.... sorry, the link worked before, but now it doesn't :shock: But yeah, I meant the Crazy Surfer :mrgreen:
DaltonTerror posted a picture on the Themepark.nl (//http://www.themepark.nl) forum which shows certain marks in the Studio Tram Tour. Can these be marks for construction?
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Remco, I merged your topic with the Toy Story Land topic since they are related.
I also want to add this...
A permit to cut 3.9900 ha of the forest...
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The permit is posted on the construction announcement board across the police building.
Quote from: "Kristof"Remco, I merged your topic with the Toy Story Land topic since they are related.
No problem! I wasn't sure if they really were related. :)
Quote from: "Kristof"A permit to cut 3.9900 ha of the forest...
Wow... That's quite a piece, isn't it!? :shock:
Do they need to replace it with new trees at some other location?
QuoteWow... That's quite a piece, isn't it!? :shock:
Do they need to replace it with new trees at some other location?
The permit doesn't state it, so I guess not.
Here we go, here we go!
Let's collectively breathe a huge sigh of relief. The expansion is not dead. The lack of news and the growing financial panic was really making it seem like the rumours for the next 5 years would die before they've even begun. This is really, really good news.
I wonder what they do mean by "défricher" though, whether that literally means "chop down", or if they somehow move the trees to another place. The future Toy Story Land will need to be surrounded by them... But maybe it doesn't work like that for Disney.
Hopefully none of the plans have been scaled back since we first heard about them.
Quote from: "Remco K."Quote from: "Kristof"A permit to cut 3.9900 ha of the forest...
Wow... That's quite a piece, isn't it!? :shock:
this is the complete forest if google earth provides the correct length :shock:
this is going to be a huge expansion, i guess
I thought this forest was protected?
Quote from: "Hathaway Browne"I thought this forest was protected?
It's not going to be cut down completely, it's just a small area. My guess is the outer edge and the small piece next to the costuming building.
And yes the forest is "protected", in a way that DLRP cannot touch it without special permissions, which they obviously got.
Ahh I see. I thought it was a "no chance of touching it" kind of situation.
Glad to hear progress is coming. =D>
Well this is quite exciting! I know I have said quite a few times I don't like the idea of Toy Story Land (and don't get me wrong, I still don't really), but I am quite pleased there will be some sort of construction to follow!
I really enjoyed watching Toon Studio and Tower Of Terror go up from the beginning, but this last year has been fairly dull construction-wise. I am very excited that there will be something to follow again.
I am eagerly awaiting the day this topic says "confirmed" in the title!
Quote from: "RnRCj"Well this is quite exciting! I know I have said quite a few times I don't like the idea of Toy Story Land (and don't get me wrong, I still don't really), but I am quite pleased there will be some sort of construction to follow!
I really enjoyed watching Toon Studio and Tower Of Terror go up from the beginning, but this last year has been fairly dull construction-wise. I am very excited that there will be something to follow again.
I am eagerly awaiting the day this topic says "confirmed" in the title!
Did he just say that? :shock: :o
:wink:
Actually, I must admit that I agree too, I loved watching the construction of TOT and Toon Studio, especially TS as it was unique to dlrp, so the prospect of this is quite exciting too. Besides, I'm sure that DLRP will get this right, and not produce something terrible, when have they ever let us down before? :mrgreen:
Great news to hear, like RnRCj and Butlin i love watching all the construction work at DLRP (i actually find myself sometimes looking at old construction pictures on WDSfans :lol:) so it's great to see Toy Story Land is moving one step closer to being confirmed. Oh and by the way i actually would like to see Toy Story Land, Toy Story is one of, if not my favourite Disney movie so a land it, what's better than that!? :lol: Yeah it's not unique to DLRP but it's great to see DLRP growing, even if it's just something you very rarely go on :)
Quote from: "Kristof"It's not going to be cut down completely, it's just a small area. My guess is the outer edge and the small piece next to the costuming building.
just saying that they have the permission to cut down almost 4 ha, and the forest is almost exactly 4ha big. what does this mean?
edit: the announcement also says june 24th 2008. so its hanging there for quite a while now.
The forest is quite bigger than that actually!
Quote from: "Whoknew?"Quote from: "Kristof"edit: the announcement also says june 24th 2008. so its hanging there for quite a while now.
I was quite shocked at how tatty it is.
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just want to get sure:
area = ((a+c)/2)*h
area = ((205+115)/2)*255
area = 40800m²
40800m²/10000 = 4,08ha
or wich forest do we talk about?
well 4,08 is not much different to 3,99, so your maths looks right, maybe they'll leave a few of the trees standing?
I did hope that they would build on the car park and try to integrate (some of) the forest into the park in some way. I just hope that new area has plenty of greenery rather that the desolate looking backlot.
Thanks for the visual whoknew?, certainly helps. And of course it does bring up the question of the Tram Tour road - I doubt they'll re-route it, so the only other solution is a bridge.
So they've pretty much got a permit to remove the entire forest... crazy. But
will they actually remove all those trees, or did they just want to get permission to do whatever they want with the space?
Quote from: "Hathaway Browne"Thanks for the visual whoknew?, certainly helps. And of course it does bring up the question of the Tram Tour road - I doubt they'll re-route it, so the only other solution is a bridge.
No, they will easily be able to re-route it. The first part will be re-routed a bit closer to the forest anyway for this expansion, and the station was originally meant to be far from permanent.
The new route is supposed to go behind the forest and go in reverse through Catastrophe Canyon and yes the current station as Anthony said has always been intended to be dismantled and removed in a few days.
Quote from: "phantom247"The new route is supposed to go behind the forest and go in reverse through Catastrophe Canyon
Really? Well thats quite cool! I've actually had that idea of it going behind the forest since we first heard this rumour, but I thought it was a bit ambitious for it to really happen. Obviously not! :lol:
The removal of the trees should be great! It will definitely balance out the park a little more. If the forest had to stay completely we would have park with the majority of it's attractions on the left side, and it wouldn't have the lovely symmetricalness (new word!) that DLP has.
(I'm still going :-# at the Toy Story idea, by the way.)
ive just got back and can tell you that the trees that are going to be felled look like they are already marked. i hope my pics have come out but just in case they havent, just as you pull out of the tram station and before the dinotopia set the trees nearest the road have red and white hazard tape around their trunks and there are more green markers and pink ones too which im guessing are marking out the expansion area/s :D
QuoteThe new route is supposed to go behind the forest and go in reverse through Catastrophe Canyon
Source?
Quotethe dinotopia set the trees nearest the road have red and white hazard tape around their trunks
Yeah, the tape was strapped around those trees a few months ago:
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Hey folks,
oh wow really great news, i hope we will see in the near future some works...
DLRP need an expansion as quickly as possible...
and i argee with RnRCj, it´s really better to remove all the trees to palance these park out!!
Kristof please don't ask silly questions such as source as if you want the people who told me about this to loose their jobs I would say you need to tell everybody your sources as well only gessing but none of us want Eurodisney SCA, TWDC or WDI employees to loose their jobs over a fan forum. All I can say on the new Tram route some of what is planned looks very good but is continuly being tweeked in Glendale CA.
Just an idea: Why don't they replace the 3 fair rides and the whole Toy Story land with Toy Story Mania?
Just as effective, same capacity and a much better 'Disney' attraction!
*really really really hopes they do that :D*
Quote from: "phantom247"Kristof please don't ask silly questions such as source as if you want the people who told me about this to loose their jobs I would say you need to tell everybody your sources as well only gessing but none of us want Eurodisney SCA, TWDC or WDI employees to loose their jobs over a fan forum. All I can say on the new Tram route some of what is planned looks very good but is continuly being tweeked in Glendale CA.
I don't think it's an unfair question to ask when someone posts a major news like that?
Quote from: "Japper"Just an idea: Why don't they replace the 3 fair rides and the whole Toy Story land with Toy Story Mania?
Just as effective, same capacity and a much better 'Disney' attraction!
*really really really hopes they do that :D*
Doubt that would happen to be honest, TSM is too similar to Laser Blast.
And i agree with Kristof, we just want to know what the source is just to be sure it isn't made up. Stops people then posting stuff like "SPLASH MOUNTAIN COMING TO DLRP IN 3 YEARS TIME!!" with no proof ;)
Quote from: "-breeno-""SPLASH MOUNTAIN COMING TO DLRP IN 3 YEARS TIME!!"
Really, awesome I can't wait :mrgreen:
Quote from: "-breeno-"...with no proof ;)
Oh, never mind :oops:
:wink: :P :lol:
Regarding the forest, it will not be cut down completely (obviously). The Tram Route between the Station and Dinotopia will be re-routed to allow more room for Toy Story Land and Ratatouille. The people I spoke with were very proud of the fact that WDS is the only Disney park in the world that has a real forest within its berm, so they think it would be wrong to cut it down completely.
Oh and the forest will be integrated in the design of Toy Story Land.
Quote from: "Japper"Just an idea: Why don't they replace the 3 fair rides and the whole Toy Story land with Toy Story Mania?
Just as effective, same capacity and a much better 'Disney' attraction!
I agree it'd be a better "Disney" attraction, but I don't think it'd be good for the area or the park as a whole to just dump another giant building there. The thing that's getting me excited about Toy Story Land is that it'll all be outside, surrounded by trees (as Kristof just said), loads of props, lots of colour, things to walk around, rides to watch. It'll be a good area just to hang around and enjoy the atmosphere.
WDS really needs more of these little fillers all around the park and walk-around areas that make it more fun to explore.
...And don't forget, we ARE (or ahum should be, provided the world doesn't explode) getting a real and EXCLUSIVE proper Disney E-ticket anyway, Ratatouille! I honestly think that one's going to knock TSM out the park, just from hearing the phrases "Ratatouille dark ride" and "Tokyo's Winnie the Pooh ride system".
There's my flag-waving for Toy Story Land anyway. :mrgreen:
Hm... don't know if I understood correctly *g*: So the Toy Story Land will be surrounded by trees? And will it be a new theme land or will it obviously belong to Toon Studio?!
Really curious how it will look like :)!
Quote from: "Anthony"I agree it'd be a better "Disney" attraction, but I don't think it'd be good for the area or the park as a whole to just dump another giant building there. The thing that's getting me excited about Toy Story Land is that it'll all be outside, surrounded by trees (as Kristof just said), loads of props, lots of colour, things to walk around, rides to watch. It'll be a good area just to hang around and enjoy the atmosphere.
WDS really needs more of these little fillers all around the park and walk-around areas that make it more fun to explore.
...And don't forget, we ARE (or ahum should be, provided the world doesn't explode) getting a real and EXCLUSIVE proper Disney E-ticket anyway, Ratatouille! I honestly think that one's going to knock TSM out the park, just from hearing the phrases "Ratatouille dark ride" and "Tokyo's Winnie the Pooh ride system".
There's my flag-waving for Toy Story Land anyway. :mrgreen:
That is a very good way to look at it :mrgreen:
I've just realised something else as well, I don't think it's already been said, but if Toy Story Land opens in 2010 like it probably will, then it should open at around the same time as Toy Story 3 is released in cinemas. So perhaps some of these mysterious ride concepts, and the land itself, will tie in with TS3 :-k
has anyone any idea of how much forest will go? I know the size was listed, but how much of the forest is that? Half of it? Also, when it's said that the forest will be intergrated intothe new land, does that mean in bits, inside the land, not just the outskirts?
now here's a thought, didn't I read somewhere that toy story3 may have a story line about Andy going to camp? Or am I just making up possible theming here!!
Quote from: "penfold12"has anyone any idea of how much forest will go? I know the size was listed, but how much of the forest is that? Half of it? Also, when it's said that the forest will be intergrated intothe new land, does that mean in bits, inside the land, not just the outskirts?
now here's a thought, didn't I read somewhere that toy story3 may have a story line about Andy going to camp? Or am I just making up possible theming here!!
Toy Story 3';s concept and story Arc follows Buzz and Woody... and others As Andy leaves them behind at a Day Care as he toodles off to college, as the boy has grown up, meanwhile Rex and Hamm go exploring to find their long lost Twins! But then thats for another Part of the forum... and I'm not entirely sure if that be correct! :wink:
We with the forest could be looking at Buzz, Hamm, Slinky, Rex & Potato Head make their way to Al's Toy Barn... going through the hedgerows, which allowed for the Bug's Life 2 spoof! It could be Sid's Backgarden too that Imagineers use to theme the land... or would the sight of Mutalated Kids Toy's Scare the Pants of everyone... I know it w :oops: uld me
So if they do move the actual road, where will the tram go when it comes out of Costuming?
Does anyone know if the tram tour station will be moved during this project? If not, then it's going to have to make a damn sharp left turn out of that station.
Also, is there any idea when we could hear some official news of the future plans?
Quote from: "Hathaway Browne"So if they do move the actual road, where will the tram go when it comes out of Costuming?
I presume it won't go through there anymore. It'll probably go back along a new route.
Talk backstage over the last year had been of a totally new costuming building replacing the existing building so that this building or land could be incorporated in future development.
^That would make sense. Its a big plot of land it occupies - it would be better served for an attraction.
Good point on the sharp turn RnRcj - the trams haven't exactly got a small turning circle.
Quote from: "phantom247"Talk backstage over the last year had been of a totally new costuming building replacing the existing building so that this building or land could be incorporated in future development.
A masterplan does exist for WDS that in fact shows the tram route going behind the forest and the Costuming building taken over by an attraction or restaurant, but that's not going to happen just yet. And things change quite fast over at Imagineering, 'cause that very same plan did not show Toy Story Land at all. :wink:
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "phantom247"Talk backstage over the last year had been of a totally new costuming building replacing the existing building so that this building or land could be incorporated in future development.
A masterplan does exist for WDS that in fact shows the tram route going behind the forest and the Costuming building taken over by an attraction or restaurant, but that's not going to happen just yet. And things change quite fast over at Imagineering, 'cause that very same plan did not show Toy Story Land at all. :wink:
Lol, sounds promising. :P
Anyone got any suggestions as to when this and any other projects may be announced?
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Anyone got any suggestions as to when this and any other projects may be announced?
Well if they're not going to do a "one off" announcement, I'd imagine they'd probably do it at the AGM.
The following pic was released by DisneyActu (//http://disneyactu.canalblog.com):
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Ooo exciting! I shall definitely have a closer look at this tomorrow! :D
Could this be the start of construction?
Quote from: "Remco K."The following pic was released
I used google translate to see what the writing said above the photo;
QuoteYesterday morning, surveyors took measurements at the hill behind the station Studio Tram Tour. This morning, fences took place at exactly the same place!
So coincidence or confirmation of recent rumors?
The future (near) will tell ...
Well all i no is that this is definatly once step closer to the next exspansion :D
Quote from: "RnRCj"Could this be the start of construction?
Yes of course! First phase has started: removal of the trees and the re-routing of the Studio Tram Tour road. :)
Quote from: "Owain"Well all i no is that this is definatly once step closer to the next exspansion :D
Does anyone else remember the "Toilets of Terror"? :mrgreen:
Quote from: "experiment627"Quote from: "Owain"Well all i no is that this is definatly once step closer to the next exspansion :D
Does anyone else remember the "Toilets of Terror"? :mrgreen:
:lol: Hopefully this will be more of a development than the toilets or terror ! :P
Edit; Just saw raptors post and that definatly is a big development !
Quote from: "experiment627"Quote from: "Owain"Well all i no is that this is definatly once step closer to the next exspansion :D
Does anyone else remember the "Toilets of Terror"? :mrgreen:
Yep :mrgreen: Was in them this year too (something i
had to do this year :lol: ), they really should add something to it as a reminder about that incident :P
But i can't see this being more toilets anyway :P As Kristof said the first phase has started. I will be watching this closely :D
I don't know what this work is for but I have recently been told by sources close to the project that the trees will not come down in earnest until at least Feb-March 09.
First job is probably going to be digging out the berm there, isn't it? They can do a lot of work before even touching the trees.
Quote from: "experiment627"Does anyone else remember the "Toilets of Terror"? :mrgreen:
Opening in 2009: Crater Land. :wink:
Oooooooh! How exciting :mrgreen:
I really can't wait to see more development :)
at last, another project tracker for us to watch!!! The trouble with the attraction built in the tv studios building was that there was little visible progress.... Now it's back to the daily Racing home, logging on, and checking for photo updates!
Don't they announce anything anymore? Crush just appeared on concept art, both this and Playhouse on a planning announcement. Why don't they want to tell the world what they are doing :?:
Quote from: "andrewuk"Don't they announce anything anymore? Crush just appeared on concept art, both this and Playhouse on a planning announcement. Why don't they want to tell the world what they are doing :?:
Why spoil the magic? I remember sneaking a peek at my Christmas presents when I was a child. Come Christmas morning I had no surprises, slightly disappointed parents (because my reaction was not the great joy they expected) and a slightly let down feeling.
The whole idea of the green fences at DLP is to hide the work and announce things when they are ready to show you the finished or nearly finished product.
Quote from: "andrewuk"Don't they announce anything anymore? Crush just appeared on concept art, both this and Playhouse on a planning announcement. Why don't they want to tell the world what they are doing :?:
Probably because they want to tell the world to concentrate on what they're doing NEXT year and not 2010, 2011 or 2012...
Parks work in different ways. If Disney tell us now that something is happening in 2010 then it could put people off visiting next year and waiting until the new ride(s) opened.
As Alton Towers they are currently in family marketing mode (like they have been for the last few years) so they do not mention anything thrill related as it wouldn't give a family image.
Those replies make a lot of sense, thanks. If my french is right, according to Disney Central Plaza these new fences are just a new path for castmembers to get to their cars.
//http://disneycentralplaza.englishboard.net/disneyland-resort-paris-f6/autorisation-de-defricher-le-bois-du-parc-wds-t8599-140.htm
...Although, that new path would then allow them to begin work where the old one is... It's the first step. :mrgreen:
As for the announcement of future projects, I agree with you Andrew. You weren't suggesting they advertise Toy Story Land ahead of next year's Mickey's Magical Party, like in the holiday brochures and so on, were you? The problem is that DLRP really should publish a press release, release some concept art, give a gushing account of how great the new project will be, like the other resorts do... but obviously through a different channel - as a news item on the press and corporate websites - again like the other resorts...
Personally I think most people actually just visit whenever they feel like it, I don't believe the public "postpone" trips, they're not as ridiculously well-informed as us, so announcing new attractions properly would actually get more people excited and more people preparing a visit than it would deter from coming for a few short years.
Quote from: "Anthony"Personally I think most people actually just visit whenever they feel like it, I don't believe the public "postpone" trips, they're not as ridiculously well-informed as us, so announcing new attractions properly would actually get more people excited and more people preparing a visit than it would deter from coming for a few short years.
You're sure? When you're thinking about going to DLRP, or WDW, or Tokyo or wherever this year and then you read in your newspaper or in a travel magazine that the following year, this really cool ride is going to open, you wouldn't reconsider postponing your trip?
This year, I thought about giving Europa Park another chance... but then again, they're opening a new rollercoaster next year - so yeah, I can actually wait to return till their new stuff is up and running.
Quote from: "Anthony"...Although, that new path would then allow them to begin work where the old one is... It's the first step. :mrgreen:
As for the announcement of future projects, I agree with you Andrew. You weren't suggesting they advertise Toy Story Land ahead of next year's Mickey's Magical Party, like in the holiday brochures and so on, were you? The problem is that DLRP really should publish a press release, release some concept art, give a gushing account of how great the new project will be, like the other resorts do... but obviously through a different channel - as a news item on the press and corporate websites - again like the other resorts...
Yes, that was exactly what i was thinking that they should do. =D> A press release and a post on the corporate part of the official website.
Quote from: "experiment627"You're sure? When you're thinking about going to DLRP, or WDW, or Tokyo or wherever this year and then you read in your newspaper or in a travel magazine that the following year, this really cool ride is going to open, you wouldn't reconsider postponing your trip?
Well, I visited DLRP many times through the construction of Crush and Tower. DLRP could quietly announce Toy Story Land in January and I don't think it'd have a negative impact on Mickey's Magical Party. Obviously, if they didn't have anything new it'd be different, but they
do have something to market between now and this project opening. Along with the regular crowd-pullers like Halloween and Christmas.
WDW or Tokyo would admittedly be different, you've got me there. I'd actually love to go to California most of all, but probably won't even begin looking into that until the DCA transformation is complete. But that's a huge project, and I'm a fan, what percentage of DLRP visitors are that clued up? I can't count the amount of posts we get just on this forum asking things like "Will x be open yet when I visit?", people having booked their trip for when the price and time is right for themselves and then only retrospectively checked the events schedule.
Concept art and a press release for Toy Story Mania was published in January 2007 - it didn't officially open till May 2008! It also just happened to be one of the most talked and written-about Disney attractions for years.
I'll admit I can't imagine Toy Story
Land would work the same, because it's not exactly going to be revolutionary (though in WDS terms anything still will be), but for Ratatouille, The Little Mermaid... if they happen... I really hope DLRP tell people - tease people. They don't have to give everything away, just tear away a little corner of the wrapping paper.
Quote from: "Anthony"WDW or Tokyo would admittedly be different, you've got me there. I'd actually love to go to California most of all, but probably won't even begin looking into that until the DCA transformation is complete. But that's a huge project, and I'm a fan, what percentage of DLRP visitors are that clued up? I can't count the amount of posts we get just on this forum asking things like "Will x be open yet when I visit?", people having booked their trip for when the price and time is right for themselves and then only retrospectively checked the events schedule.
Information is tricky these days. Anyone who might be interested in going to any Disney resort (and I mean the average family and not us fans who go anyway - and actually think of a construction wall as an attraction it itself...) could do a quick google search, find an article describing the great additions that come to the resort of choice NEXT year ... and well, the decision is made, the trip postponed.
All I am saying is: I understand why Disney is not presenting their novelties too much in advance. They're concentrated on getting people to the resort NOW. Of course, one can debate if announcing new rides two years in advance does much harm. Honestly, I don't know. But knowing Disney, they probably did surveys on surveys about this.
And one aspect one cannot deny: competition is fierce in Europe. And copying good ride ideas is very much common. Just look at what Europa Park has opened over the past two years: an under the sea, interactive dark ride and a Cars-like kiddie ride.
(Overall, European parks are not that open to share plans about future additions, I'd say.)
As much as anyone I'd love to see some official acknowledgement of something new being in the works. But that's just wishful thinking, because in the end: what would purpose would a press release about a ride opening in 2010 / 2011 / 2012 serve?
We 'know' already what's in store for the next few years at the resort. For me personally it is even more exciting if you do not excactly know how things will turn out to be, and even more exciting it is when the construction fences come down.
Quote from: "hostile"ah, cant wait for the Ratatouille ride.
You're going to have a pretty long wait then. Its not related to the Toy Story Land rumours, totally different project.
Quote from: "Willow"Quote from: "hostile"ah, cant wait for the Ratatouille ride.
You're going to have a pretty long wait then. Its not related to the Toy Story Land rumours, totally different project.
Don't worry, we're looking into hostile's posts. If these messages magically disappear, you'll know why.
Some might have noticed it in the topic title... The current working name for the Toon Studio expansion is: "Toy Story Playland". :)
Quote from: "Kristof"Some might have noticed it in the topic title... The current working name for the Toon Studio expansion is: "Toy Story Playland". :)
I quite like that name actually, I was really hoping that they wouldn't just call it Toy Story Land so I think it could work very well. Of course it all depends on the contents and relevance as well as to how good the name is... :wink:
Interesting choice for the full name of the land. Toy Story Playland to me sounds like just a play park like La Plage des Pirates other than a full area, but then again just Toy Story Land doesn't sound great does it?
Yeah, but like I said it's the current working name, like Cars Radiator Springs Spinout or Crush's Turtle Twister. It will probably be changed for marketing reasons anyway.
As I've said several times before, what I'd really like is for them to scrap the whole Toy Story theme and come up with something new and not Pixar-based! Toy Story Playland isn't the worst name ever, but I'm sure they could come up with something much better.
Whilst I am a little worried about this project, I must admit I am looking forward to a music-express type ride. I find them very fun. :lol:
Is it still likely there will be a half-pipe coaster? *I really hope not*
QuoteIs it still likely there will be a half-pipe coaster? *I really hope not*
Yep! Same goes for the Music Express and Parachute Drop Tower.
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteIs it still likely there will be a half-pipe coaster? *I really hope not*
Yep! Same goes for the Music Express and Parachute Drop Tower.
Darn it! Are you sure it hasn't been mistaken for a Disk-O Coaster or anything? [-o<
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteIs it still likely there will be a half-pipe coaster? *I really hope not*
Yep! Same goes for the Music Express and Parachute Drop Tower.
Darn it! Are you sure it hasn't been mistaken for a Disk-O Coaster or anything? [-o<
I still think it could be a Disk-O flat and not a Halfpipe, it would make much more sense for the Disk-O, they are cheaper and offer the same ride, would probably be a similar capacity.
weve just got back and the blue fences have gone and there is a lovely new path visible, so im guessing the new path for the cast members was correct :? :? :? :?
Yes, the new CM path was correct. It was the first step of many in the coming months. :)
How nice how nice how nice! The construction seems to get reality as we all can read at wdsfans.com:
//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/news.php#newsitemEkkAppuVuVHapIcdoj
(//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/tram_10-dec1.JPG)
(more pics at wdsfans.com)
(kristof, always something up your sleeve! =D> )
Ahh, lovely construction fences. The only ugly thing we welcome at DLRP. :lol:
I'm guessing this is for the forest demolition and tram tour re-route? Or is it something else entirely?
Quote(kristof, always something up your sleeve! =D> )
A big thank you has to go to our member MagicStar who was so kind to take the photos for me during his trip this week! :D
=D> for MagicStar :mrgreen: Have to write him a mail!
Wow, that is one long construction fence :shock: :o
Does anyone know whether or not the STT will close down at any point to allow for construction to progress, or will it remain open the whole time? :)
blimey they went up quick, they werent there monday when we were there, or the tuesday i think :?
Small update, a French website is reporting that the work on the Tram road is not for Toy Story Playland, but for the expansion of a CM parking lot behind the STT Station. This is NOT true. [-( Although I cannot confirm if the CM parking lot will be expanded (which is quite possible), it's not the reason why the works are being done. The new road is being diverted a few meters over the current forest border to allow space for the Toon Studio expansion.
Quote from: "Kristof"Small update, a French website is reporting that the work on the Tram road is not for Toy Story Playland, but for the expansion of a CM parking lot behind the STT Station. This is NOT true. [-( Although I cannot confirm if the CM parking lot will be expanded (which is quite possible), it's not the reason why the works are being done. The new road is being diverted a few meters over the current forest border to allow space for the Toon Studio expansion.
Thanks Kristof :)
And the three attraction themes are.....
Quote from: "WDSfans.com"Disneyland Resort Paris has recently started conducting surveys for its new theme for 2010-2011. A few ideas are proposed revolving around different themes going from Pirates to Disney Classics.
Each theme however includes a description for Toy Story Playland, the big novelty for 2010.
- A spinning attraction in which Slinky chases his own tail (Music Express)
- A 25 meters high Parachute Tower themed to the Green Army Men.
- A Halfpipe attraction based on RC Racer.
(//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/toy_story_playland_attractions.jpg)
25 metres for the parachute tower? I was expecting half that size! I am really struggling to imagine this looking good now.
I know we haven't seen any concept art yet, but I will be surprised if the Imagineers can pull off excellent theming for these Six-Flags type rides. I'm sure the music express will be okay, but the half-pipe and the parachute tower? That will be a huge challenge. :?
Theming on par with Jumpin' Jellyfish in my opinion wouldn't be good enough. It needs to top that at a park like WDS. So far with the additions of the Hollywood Boulevard and Toon Studio we have seen steps forward in WDS' theming, but this project is very risky and I think it could even see WDS taking a step back.
DLRP will really need to impress me with this one.
I agree, these rides don't seem to be very Disneyish. :?
Seems very intresting, tbh im really excited about this development, i also think it has alot of potential :D.
Quote from: "x-charlotte-x"I agree, these rides don't seem to be very Disneyish. :?
Two of the three are already transformed into Disney attractions in California and Tokyo.
And to add, it won't just be these three rides, it will be an entire mini-land with lots of props and theming, similar to A Bugs Land and Mermaid Lagoon.
A lot of Disneyland Paris isn't very Disney-ish though, look at the number of inversions we have on our rollercoasters. I'm not going to make a proper judgement on the idea until I see the final product.
The studios needs another area and more rides, with Toy Story Playland (not sure about the working title yet) 3 new rides will be added as well as a new themed area, its not going to break the bank building it, the rides would be cheap to buy.
I guess i do like having the inversions on our rollercoasters so maybe i will like it once its all been done and themed, im not too sure about the halfpipe though.
What I really want to know is if this is a full-size half pipe we're talking about here (like the one in the picture). That's what I have been presuming all along, and that that's why I am worried about it. Such a huge, ugly ride hasn't got much chance of looking good in a Disney park unless they build 80 foot theming, which I doubt they will.
If it is a scaled down version of the half pipe, that would be much better and easier to theme. It would also be more family friendly, like it should be. I'm really hoping for that. [-o<
Quote from: "Kristof"And the three attraction themes are.....
Quote from: "WDSfans.com"Disneyland Resort Paris has recently started conducting surveys for its new theme for 2010-2011. A few ideas are proposed revolving around different themes going from Pirates to Disney Classics.
Each theme however includes a description for Toy Story Playland, the big novelty for 2010.
- A spinning attraction in which Slinky chases his own tail (Music Express)
- A 25 meters high Parachute Tower themed to the Green Army Men.
- A Halfpipe attraction based on RC Racer.
(//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/toy_story_playland_attractions.jpg)
Well that's interesting, I was wondering how they'd be themed. Thanks for reporting that Kristof :)
The crucial bit now then is how they'll look, how they'll be intergrated into the mini-land, and how the project will look as a whole... :wink:
Six Flags over DLP - Yuck!!!! Please pass the bucket.
I still believe that this project will turn out very well, and will not be a step backwards for WDS mainly because it a new area in the park with new attractions thus filling in the "gaps" in WDS which we've all wanted to happen for years now. Now i may never even go on one of these attractions but i still think they are good, better than nothing aren't they ;)
Also i have a lot of confidence WDI will theme it brilliantly as usual, look at Crush, Cars and Indiana Jones, all "Six Flags" style attractions transformed into brilliantly themed attractions :D
The one i'm looking forward to the most is the half pipe RC one, should be interesting to see how WDI does it :)
Quote from: "-breeno-"I still believe that this project will turn out very well, and will not be a step backwards for WDS mainly because it a new area in the park with new attractions thus filling in the "gaps" in WDS which we've all wanted to happen for years now. Now i may never even go on one of these attractions but i still think they are good, better than nothing aren't they ;)
Also i have a lot of confidence WDI will theme it brilliantly as usual, look at Crush, Cars and Indiana Jones, all "Six Flags" style attractions transformed into brilliantly themed attractions :D
The one i'm looking forward to the most is the half pipe RC one, should be interesting to see how WDI does it :)
Absolutely, that's the correct way to look at it :) =D>
Well, I think Crush coaster and Indy were huge mistakes. And I would rather it were left blank until they build a Disney quality attraction instead. But I have grown up with Disney for over 30 years. This sort of rubbish only started about 10 years ago.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"This sort of rubbish only started about 10 years ago.
There's no reason the Slinky and Army Men rides are any different from the opening day Fantasyland attractions. Yes, they're not huge, lavish, hundred-million-dollar dark rides, but every Disney park needs a good mix, and at the moment WDS still doesn't have enough of these little fillers, rides that are good for kids or places to walk around and explore.
The RC halfpipe will be a tricky one, true, and I can't imagine how they'll hide the ugly WDS backstage from a 25m parachute drop... but I've got confidence in WDI. Crush might not be exactly like the classic Disney rides you remember as a child, but it's far closer than things like Studio Tram Tour or Armageddon that the Studios opened with.
These Toy Story themes are already a million times stronger than the existing Jumpin Jellyfish and Scuttles Scooters. I was guessing Bo Peep's Sheep for the music express, but Slinky Dog is just as cool. Timing all this for 2010 with the re-releases and then Toy Story 3 is finally - FINALLY! - a bit of clever park/movies crossover planning from DLRP.
I'm not overly excited about these attractions, I understand and agree with most peoples concerns. Biggest issue for me it why bother adding another drop ride, virtualy next to the tower of terror?!
To me that is poor to say the least
Disney has to move with the times, they can't be building the same old boring attractions from years ago they need to move with the rest of the world. The rides will be uniquely themed and there are very few Halfpipe coasters in the world.
I personally think Crush is the world's best Maurer Schone Spinning coaster (there are tons of them) and is a quality attractions, the guests love it.
Indy isn't the world's best ride but is still a ride which would look great in any theme park.
"Come to Disneyland Resort Paris in 2010 because Toy Story 3 rocked and so does our new land"
A Parachute drop is a totally different experience than the Tower of Terror.
Hopefully the musical express will have the same level of theming as Cars did, I don't know how Zamperla sell their rides with such terrible theming.
I disagree and am confused how you can say a parachute drop attraction is totaly differnt to tower of terror??
Yes the tower of terror has fantastic and amazing theming, but in it's core it's a drop ride, as is the parachute drop!
Both located close to each other, both recent additions to a park without many attractions. Had there been as many attraction and the park as evolved as other Disney parks, it wouldn't of mattered, but as it's not, putting two drop rides so close together seems lazy to me
i disagree with you penfold
ToT and the parachute ride will appeal to very different age ranges- the parachutes will probably be much tamer in comparison- and is also a much more child-friendly theme- and lacking the twilight zone elements which make up a very big part of ToT.
i also think it is a good idea having them near one another as kids too small or frightened to ride ToT will have an alternative drop-ride- thus not being disappointed
Yep, I can see the age range aspect, I suppose I just think that with so few attractions, more variety would be better. That said, with the exception of the slinky themed attraction, these don't appear overly child friendly.
It will never be totally child friendly but saying that the park is 150% more child focused from when it first opened. I see there to always be a slightly stronger slant towards teenagers and young adults than Disneyland Park and even though this is not exactly what I would have liked to see in WDS Park this may be a step to forcilitate future projects in the long run.
I posted this under the topic of the poll about the Toy story playland and just want to give my opinion again in here for what it's worth...
I am unsure really. Don't get me wrong I like toy story, it's not one of my favourite Disney films but I do like it-however is there not enough Toy story in the parks already?
What about a different movie to base rides and attractions on?
We already have A Toystory area with Woody's roundup in Fronterland, Toy story on the Once upon a dream parade, the characters often appear on the Character express and may continue to when it is changed next year and if I am not mistaken is there not a toy story car in the stars and motor cars experience which will be happening early 2009? We also have the Toy story rstraunt and meet and greet experience in Pizza planet!
In my mere opinion, we have enough of toy story, there are many great unused disney films out there!
Also i am unsure about the halfpipe rollercoaster idea, I don't like the idea of Disneyland Paris just turning into a theme park of scarey rides, we already have Astrex and alton towers etc.
Just my opinion though.
Aveen xxx
It's not about child or teen friendly, in fact the overuse of toons makes me want to vomit too. Disney used to be about building highly themed environments that the family could all enjoy together. Other than maybe Buzz and some of the Studios opening day attractions, there hasn't been much of that ethos in Paris. It's either toons or thrills, or worse still, toons and thrills.
Why is Frontierland or Adventureland so popular? Or PotC and Phantom Manor? Because they are highly emersive themed environments. If I wanted rubbish like Toystoryland, I could just go to Thomasland in Drayton Manor or Beanoland in Chessington World of Adventure.
Nope, I think this is a major step backwards, especially after the Studios has been doing so well lately.
Quote from: "Aveen2008"Also i am unsure about the halfpipe rollercoaster idea, I don't like the idea of Disneyland Paris just turning into a theme park of scarey rides, we already have Astrex and alton towers etc.
I can only imagine the Halfpipe has been chosen so that adults don't instantly see this new land as a no-go area. What would the alternative be? When we were trying to guess what the rides could be a few months ago, Kristof came up with a Gadget's Go Coaster-type kids coaster themed to RC. Something more on the level of Casey Jr. Would that be better, or would it clash with Crush?
I'm still not 100% convinced myself, but for themeing at least compare the original Zamperla Destruction Derby to our Cars (one of the best fairground-style rides WDI has ever done, IMO) and the difference is incredible. If they can wrap up this bare halfpipe in themeing to that same degree, it could be brilliant.
...But yeah, not so much for the kids. Though maybe it's good to have a mixture of age groups in one area? The park does still have only RNRC, Crush and Tower for thrills. Even though we still see it as a more "adult" thrill park, there's not
that much for the guests who aren't willing to sit through AODA.
Quote from: "penfold12"Yes the tower of terror has fantastic and amazing theming, but in it's core it's a drop ride, as is the parachute drop!
I'd describe the parachute drop more like a kind of "floaty/fall-y" ride rather than a sheer drop. It's very very different. You ride to the top and then bounce slowly downward in stages. Can we say they shouldn't have built Casey Jr. because they already had BTM covering the runaway train coaster?
I don't think you can compare this with Beanoland in Chessington, its a dump these days and well deserves a makeover, it was pretty good when it first opened.
In regards to Thomas Land in Drayton Manor it was easily the UK's most popular theme park improvement this year, its nicely themed and has some good little attractions. I'd be happy with something on the scale of Thomas Land in WDS.
Mermaid Lagoon in Tokyo and Bugs Land in California are as much immersive environments as Adventureland or Frontierland its just a different kind of theming.
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If you look at the YouTube video below you can see that the ride is different to TOT, your open to the air which will give you a bigger rush of the air around you. The drops aren't as severe and are more smoother and aren't from as big a height, the airtime will be much less than on TOT. Overall it will be a different experience.
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Quote from: "Willow"Mermaid Lagoon in Tokyo and Bugs Land in California are as much immersive environments as Adventureland or Frontierland its just a different kind of theming.
Clearly you have not been there. While cute, they are nowhere near the same. Bugsland is largely a waste of space with some cute theming - even my 3 year old was bored on tuck and roll drive um buggies.
Calm down boys and girls. We even haven´t seen any concept art to judge. I think it could be horrible but on the other hand don´t forget that most fantasyland rides are nearly the same kind of stuff.
For example Dumbo:
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Wouldn´t be the same without a proper theming.
So the point is theming. If they have a great theming like they have it in Disneyland Park next door or at Cars or at ToT or or or it could be a great land. Let´s wait and see.
Quote from: "Riebi"So the point is theming. If they have a great theming like they have it in Disneyland Park next door or at Cars or at ToT or or or it could be a great land. Let´s wait and see.
Thanks Riebi :P
I guess "fairground" attractions, nor something else based on Toy Story, nor an attraction (the RC Halfpipe) that could stretch what we see as a "Disney" attraction are
exactly what a lot of fans want.
But... I just can't help but be very excited about the possibilities here. I've never cared much for fairytales, so to me a land that makes you feel like you're walking through Andy's backyard, plants completely surrounding you, toys all around, sounds brilliant and actually far more interesting than a bug's land, based on Pixar's most boring feature.
There's no way I can see that this will be such a
bad thing like some people think.
All we have to do is look at TSMM, to imagine what the area's props/themes could be :D
Your monkey idea Anthony :)
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Quote from: "Owain"All we have to do is look at TSMM, to imagine what the area's props/themes could be :D
Your monkey idea Anthony :)
Oh, that's where I stole it from!
Yeah, imagine those props amongst the trees and undergrowth of a bug's land, and that's (probably) our future Toy Story Playland. I guess it's a close cousin of MGM's Honey I Shrunk the Kids Movie Set Adventure too.
The RC Halfpipe (unless plans have changed) will have a giant video game controller "plugged" into it...
Quote from: "Anthony"Yeah, imagine those props amongst the trees and undergrowth of a bug's land, and that's (probably) our future Toy Story Playland. I guess it's a close cousin of MGM's Honey I Shrunk the Kids Movie Set Adventure too.
The RC Halfpipe (unless plans have changed) will have a giant video game controller "plugged" into it...
So there's no plans for amazing architecture and/or superb landscaping? Just props, trees, and the Six Flags rides (yes, I'm calling them RIDES, and not attractions like they should be at Disney).
It seems there is a big lack of ideas at Imagineering...
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "Anthony"Yeah, imagine those props amongst the trees and undergrowth of a bug's land, and that's (probably) our future Toy Story Playland. I guess it's a close cousin of MGM's Honey I Shrunk the Kids Movie Set Adventure too.
The RC Halfpipe (unless plans have changed) will have a giant video game controller "plugged" into it...
So there's no plans for amazing architecture and/or superb landscaping? Just props, trees, and the Six Flags rides (yes, I'm calling them RIDES, and not attractions like they should be at Disney).
It seems there is a big lack of ideas at Imagineering...
We'll have to wait and see won't we :wink:
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "Anthony"Yeah, imagine those props amongst the trees and undergrowth of a bug's land, and that's (probably) our future Toy Story Playland. I guess it's a close cousin of MGM's Honey I Shrunk the Kids Movie Set Adventure too.
The RC Halfpipe (unless plans have changed) will have a giant video game controller "plugged" into it...
So there's no plans for amazing architecture and/or superb landscaping? Just props, trees, and the Six Flags rides (yes, I'm calling them RIDES, and not attractions like they should be at Disney).
It seems there is a big lack of ideas at Imagineering...
thats a bit harsh, we havent even seen the concept art yet, im sure it will be great when it arrives :D
Quote from: "RnRCj"(yes, I'm calling them RIDES, and not attractions like they should be at Disney).
So by this judgement, we should close down half of Fantasyland? Come on, this is exactly what Walt Disney Studios needs - some good plain fun attractions and some good, colourful areas to walk around and enjoy.
Quote from: "RnRCj"It seems there is a big lack of ideas at Imagineering...
I'd say this sounds more imaginative than Rock 'n' Roller Coaster any day... (Oh no he di - n't...) :P
QuoteSo there's no plans for amazing architecture and/or superb landscaping? Just props, trees, and the Six Flags rides (yes, I'm calling them RIDES, and not attractions like they should be at Disney).
RnRCj, do you class the Zamperla's Destruction Derby ride as a Six Flags ride too?
Let's wait until more news and concept art leaks out. The people I know who're involved with the project are really excited and eager to transformer the old WDS into a true Disney themepark. :D
And I have to admit, Toy Story Playland may not be WDI's most impressive idea to roll out Burbank, for that we have to wait 4 more years for Ratatouille that'll open nearby TSPL...
All I can say is... I just hope they put some serious thought into the project's placement, and the way it will affect its surroundings, and not slap something random in an already random park. I can already imagine Hollywood Boulevard and Buzz Lightyear's Super Duper Halfpipe Adventure sitting back-to-back.
Disney has already built to parks that are irreversibly incoherent... (Disney's California Adventure and Disney's Hollywood Studios.) Please let them take advantage of the Walt Disney Studios' relative blank slate-ness and not screw that one up to the point of no return as well.
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteSo there's no plans for amazing architecture and/or superb landscaping? Just props, trees, and the Six Flags rides (yes, I'm calling them RIDES, and not attractions like they should be at Disney).
RnRCj, do you class the Zamperla's Destruction Derby ride as a Six Flags ride too?
Let's wait until more news and concept art leaks out. The people I know who're involved with the project are really excited and eager to transformer the old WDS into a true Disney themepark. :D
And I have to admit, Toy Story Playland may not be WDI's most impressive idea to roll out Burbank, for that we have to wait 4 more years for Ratatouille that'll open nearby TSPL...
To any doubters on the forum, look at it this way, it's got to be good if Kristof and Ant are talking positively about it, just think about how badly they've been slating Mickey's Magical Party, and compare it to how enthusiastic they are about this. Quite a contrast I think you'll agree, so it can't be that bad, surely :wink: :P
Oh and the Fantasyland rides only work because of two reasons;
- The quaint/kitsch/vintage factor (Dumbo and the Teacups are iconic and have "Walt" written all over them);
- They're pleasantly, cleverly dressed up and surrounded by charming architecture and whimsical gardens.
In the same vein, the Pirouettes du Vieux Moulin (R.I.P.) and the Astro Orbiters and Orbitron only work because they're stylish and add to the kinetic skylines of their respective lands.
I think I need only point to the Magic Carpets ride in the Magic Kingdom's Adventureland to prove that carnival-style rides don't always work in that same way.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Oh and the Fantasyland rides only work because of two reasons;
- The quaint/kitsch/vintage factor (Dumbo and the Teacups are iconic and have "Walt" written all over them);
- They're pleasantly, cleverly dressed up and surrounded by charming architecture and whimsical gardens.
In the same vein, the Pirouettes du Vieux Moulin (R.I.P.) and the Astro Orbiters and Orbitron only work because they're stylish and add to the kinetic skylines of their respective lands.
I think I need only point to the Magic Carpets ride in the Magic Kingdom's Adventureland to prove that carnival-style rides don't always work in that same way.
And what's to say that TSPL (oooh, we have an abbreviation now :P ) won't be like that. All we know is what the rides are, we haven't got a clue how they will look and how the land will look.
This is getting a bit controversial now isn't it? :wink:
QuoteRnRCj, do you class the Zamperla's Destruction Derby ride as a Six Flags ride too?
Well it can be, but the Destruction Derby is a ride that can easily fit into a themed park too. The halfpipe and paratower, however, were designed for amusement parks and they are hard to theme because of their size. I will be VERY surprised if WDI can pull of excellent Disney-quality theming for these two rides.
Quote from: "Kristof"Let's wait until more news and concept art leaks out. The people I know who're involved with the project are really excited and eager to transformer the old WDS into a true Disney themepark.
It will be a bit of a relief when concept art is released! I've got loads of horrific images going through my head. :lol:
Quote from: "Kristof"And I have to admit, Toy Story Playland may not be WDI's most impressive idea to roll out Burbank, for that we have to wait 4 more years for Ratatouille that'll open nearby TSPL...
I must admit, I am looking forward to Ratatouille! The only problem is that it's themed to a Pixar movie, but the actual attraction seems like it could make up for that.
Quote from: "Anthony"So by this judgement, we should close down half of Fantasyland? Come on, this is exactly what Walt Disney Studios needs - some good plain fun attractions and some good, colourful areas to walk around and enjoy.
There is a difference. The attractions in Fantasyland are placed within an area full of details, full of stories, and full of wonderful architecture and landscaping. The Fantasyland rides are easy to theme as well. To me it just sounds like TSPL is rides surrounded by trees, along with the props.
Quote from: "Anthony"I'd say this sounds more imaginative than Rock 'n' Roller Coaster any day... (Oh no he di - n't...) :P
*The crowd goes ooooo* I knew someone would throw that back at me. :lol:
But I have to disagree sir! Whilst I do think the exterior of RnRC is repulsive, I think the inside is a fine piece of Disney Imagineering and when all the effects are working it is a quality Disney experience.
Oh, and for that:
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HAPPY UNBIRTHDAY BALOOOOOOand...
for me it´s a normal thing for a Disney park. Similar rides are in every Disney park and you wan´t miss them. The problem is that it wasn´t there from begining. Imagine Fantasyland without Dumbo, Mad hatters and Lanzelots and then the rumour that they would build some rides based on a normal flying-thing-in-the-air-carrousel, a tea-cup-styled ride and a little merry-go-round. What would we say! Where´s the next E-ticket? A tea cup ride???? no thank you! What´s happend to WDI......
But this kind of rides weren´t there at WDS at opening day. And that´s the point. Now they simply built them to get this mistake out of the park.
WDS needs such rides so we are back to point one: the theming.
As I said before I´m a big Toy Story Fan but I don´t like the idea of theming everything like Toy Story. But it seems they made this decission without asking me. So all I can do now is sit and wait. With a cup of tea. And a cookie.
Waiting for concepts arts. To make a first judgment. And with hopes that we don´t get that pussn-vision 3D:
Quote from: "pussinboots"All I can say is... I just hope they put some serious thought into the project's placement, and the way it will affect its surroundings, and not slap something random in an already random park. I can already imagine Hollywood Boulevard and Buzz Lightyear's Super Duper Halfpipe Adventure sitting back-to-back.
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Nice to see some progress in the pictures, but what caught my attention was in the text with the update. It says that the RC ride will be a Disk-O, and not a halfpipe. Please tell me this is true!
Now we know it's an RC theme, I actually can't see a Disk'O fitting that as easily as a Halfpipe, which would probably be themed as a hotwheels track or something? I agree it's going to be a challenge to theme and place it properly, but that only makes me more excited to find out more about this and see it progress.
Quote from: "RnRCj"To me it just sounds like TSPL is rides surrounded by trees, along with the props.
Well, yes. In Disney terms it's probably a cheap, easy fix. It'll add a lot of capacity and a very marketable themed area for relatively little money. That'll be about the thinking behind it.
Disney should never do cheap and easy, NEVER. I do not travel abroad for cheap and easy, and it is annoying how many fans give this behaviour a pass. It makes me sick quite frankly.
You make "cheap and easy" sound like they're building some sleazy fairground! I did say "in Disney terms". We don't even know the budget yet, we haven't seen the concept art, we don't know how these attractions will be placed in the park... that's why I'm personally willing to "let it pass". Because we don't know enough about it.
I think it'd be foolish for Euro Disney SCA to launch straight into another big E-ticket or something here. The park needs this padding to let it breathe, tick a few boxes that they stupidly missed in 2002.
But hey who knows, if the concept art is awful, there's still time for us to call a boycott and stop the diggers yet.
This picture has me worried:
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I can easily see us ending up with something as bad as this. :sick:
QuoteDisney should never do cheap and easy, NEVER. I do not travel abroad for cheap and easy, and it is annoying how many fans give this behaviour a pass. It makes me sick quite frankly.
I agree sort of, but for me it depends whether something LOOKS cheap and easy. If Disney bought a cheap ride but made it look stunning, I wouldn't mind. The problem with TSPL is that it sounds like it will look cheap and easy too. :?
Indeed, having been to Paradise Pier and Flicks Fun Fair at DCA, as well as the Dinorama at DAK, I am very nervous of these sorts of things. Yes, Cars is excellent. Jumping Jellyfish is not.
I am not asking for huge e-tickets. But not the halfpipe or parachutes - yuk.
I bow down to the opinions that the parachute drop is different enough from TOT to warrent its close proximity.
I am totaly excited about the potential of new attractions being added to the resort, and in the grand scheme of things, there are attractions in the main park and all Disney theme parks that dont grab my attention as much as others as they are not aimed at me. What they do however is create a wider spectrum of attractions, and help turn the park into a real full day experience. Location wise, it also begins to add depth to the park, instaed of one long concrete road with attractions either side.
All that said, like a lot of people on here, I am dubious. The recent additions to the park have been so richly themed, TOT and Hollywood Blv just take teh park to another level. I think their "heightened reality" approach is what is so magical.
If these attarctions are themed well, not jsut the attraction itself, but the area, just like the effort placed in the Cars attarction, then it has to be a great move for the Park.
The danger is, and I feel why so many people are a liitle concerned, is that it is three existing standard rides that Disney are placing and adding together at once. When they have taken existing rides in the past and "Disneyfied" them is has been slightly more subtle, in that the ride has been housed and disguised so well.
Three, in a small area, with two of them having height, meaning there is every chance they will change the sight lines, and the heightened reality of the Hollywood Blv area is my concern.
All that said, its simply down to the theming. If that is done well, and not like previous Pixar lands like "Bugs Land", more inline with our Cars attraction, then you know, surely it has to be good?!
From WDSfans:
QuoteNo Music Express for Toy Story Playland
Early concepts pointed out that a Music Express attraction would be part of Toy Story Playland, but it has come to our attention that this will not be the case.
Slinky however, will be the theme of the third attraction besides the Parachute Drop Tower and the Half Pipe coaster, but what kind of ride it will be is not known yet.
Great. The only ride which had some potential to look good. :roll:
Any reason why they decided to scrap it? Surely there are FAR more reasons to scrap the other two rides.
Quote from: "RnRCj"From WDSfans:
QuoteNo Music Express for Toy Story Playland
Early concepts pointed out that a Music Express attraction would be part of Toy Story Playland, but it has come to our attention that this will not be the case.
Slinky however, will be the theme of the third attraction besides the Parachute Drop Tower and the Half Pipe coaster, but what kind of ride it will be is not known yet.
Great. The only ride which had some potential to look good. :roll:
Any reason why they decided to scrap it? Surely there are FAR more reasons to scrap the other two rides.
Ok So We Hit another hurdle on the way to getting something which in my opinion should provide at least something respectable to the Park... But nothing ever goes smoothly in the world, not even at or for Disney... Look back at the History of The Company Altogether all you doubters...
The Little Mermaid was shelved and scrapped continually in its production, like wise Beauty and Jungle Book and Beauty and The Beast... And in the end Beauty and the Beast made something impossible happen, the only ever Animated Movie to be nominated for the best Feature at The Oscars.
OK So in some opinions we've lost what some hypothesize as the Best Attraction in this new frontier, but we are again yet to see concrete concept, somewhere in WDI there are a team of Imagineers working thier socks off to try and give something to the Park, something that will give WDS that will compete with the small attractions in Disneyland.
When The Man Upstairs Closes a Door, He Opens a Window... Every Cloud had a Silver Lining... and from that quote RnRCj I have a Slinky dog to look forward to gazing and Gaping on...
Some of us around here Like Pixar, and with the exception of Frountierland and Discoveryland in Disneyland where would you put the New Classics being brought out by acomplished award winning artists if its not the Studios?
I actually thought Music Express was the most plain, "fairgroundy" of all three proposed attractions, so this is good news to me. It's not as easy to integrate into an environment as the others. RNRCj, I still think the parachute tower in particular will be brilliant fun, brilliantly themed and brilliant to watch as a kind of Green Army Men training camp. The DCA image above looks very mechanical for the reason that it's part of a Victorian fairground. Looks good to me.
Now, what can they theme to Slinky that's not a music express? Unless it actually will be something like Scuttles Scooters (TDS) and WDI just don't happen to class that specifically as a Music Express?
Quote from: "Anthony"Now, what can they theme to Slinky that's not a music express? Unless it actually will be something like Scuttles Scooters (TDS) and WDI just don't happen to class that specifically as a Music Express?
Well if where staying on the Bugsland Area and are thinking of a kids ride then, a slinky version of Heimlich's Chew Chew Train ?
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hey folks,
hmm i don´t know what to say, i just wait til they tell us and show us
the first conceptarts of whats in store...
hopefully they will oben they´re mouth on the shareholders meeting in february,
and don´t begin to dissapoint us again :roll:
Quote from: "Anthony"I actually thought Music Express was the most plain, "fairgroundy" of all three proposed attractions, so this is good news to me. It's not as easy to integrate into an environment as the others.
I thought the music express had the smallest chance of looking ugly. The other two rides are just towers of steel looming above the park, and unless they completely enclose them and do some sort of amazing exterior (yeah, right...) I can't imagine any them looking like quality Disney attractions at all. The Toy Story theme just makes it worse because the film just doesn't offer much for detailed theming. Don't get me wrong, I love the Toy Story films, but in my opinion it just doesn't work in a theme park.
Quote from: "Anthony"RNRCj, I still think the parachute tower in particular will be brilliant fun, brilliantly themed and brilliant to watch as a kind of Green Army Men training camp. The DCA image above looks very mechanical for the reason that it's part of a Victorian fairground. Looks good to me.
How does it look good? It's basically the ride as it comes with a flag on top. I've never understood Paradise Pier. I mean, why theme an area of a
theme park to an
amusement park? It doesn't make sense.
Change of subject; I was just looking at halfpipe coasters on //http://www.rcdb.com, and the smallest model that currently exists is this:
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(Yes, that IS a halfpipe on top of a building :lol:)
This is still too big for a family ride if you ask me. Hopefully the one at WDS will be half the size and won't look like a steel monster. I also don't want to see any of those ugly supports. :sick:
I still don't know how they can build these without ruining the sight lines from Frontierland,I am sure we will be looking across to Phantom Manor with the tops of these rides showing !! We will have to see ! I don't mind that they are Pixar rides (sorry Davewasbaloo !) but would prefer that they were based on older Disney movies,but guess a lot of younger guests wouldn't relate to them aswell ,as they have grown up only knowing Pixar !
Quote from: "Timbo"I don't mind that they are Pixar rides (sorry Davewasbaloo !) but would prefer that they were based on older Disney movies,but guess a lot of younger guests wouldn't relate to them aswell ,as they have grown up only knowing Pixar !
I like Pixar, in fact I think they are a quality operation. I am just tired to Disney relying on characters for their attractions. I remember when Fantasyland was the only place for characters and I prefer it that way.
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This is still too big for a family ride if you ask me. Hopefully the one at WDS will be half the size and won't look like a steel monster. I also don't want to see any of those ugly supports. :sick:
I totally agree with you!! I can't think - even of Imagineers - anyone could be able to theme such an ugly thing so well that the steel won't rule the scenery :roll:
Like I've already said, I really enjoyed a similar ride at Movie Park Germany in October, and it really doesn't look toooo bad:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peOzTFQejYc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peOzTFQejYc)
But it needs very much space I think...
I still believe WDI will pull this one off and silence the doubters. The halfpipe will be based on RC yes? Well then if i was an Imagineer i'd have the track as like a hot wheels track (you know it the orange track and maybe hide the gaps in the track if possible so it looks more like a hot wheels track) and as for the supports why not cover them up with boxes, toys etc ;)
As well i'm near certain the halfpipe will not be large at all, probably will turn out to be the small halfpipe in the world and darn i say it i am really looking forward to seeing this (and the other three) in WDS :shock: :mrgreen:
Quote from: "-breeno-"I still believe WDI will pull this one off and silence the doubters. The halfpipe will be based on RC yes? Well then if i was an Imagineer i'd have the track as like a hot wheels track (you know it the orange track and maybe hide the gaps in the track if possible so it looks more like a hot wheels track) and as for the supports why not cover them up with boxes, toys etc ;)
That's exactly what I'm worried about - bright orange track ruining the WDS skyline. Then of course there's the bright green paratower just to make it even more ghastly. If these rides were smaller and were less vibrant, then I'm sure I would be a little more optimistic about this project. Unfortunately though this just sounds like some quick cheap rides to fill in a empty space, and what's more they are huge rides too.
Some people have been comparing the rides to Fantasyland:
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Who here honestly thinks that these rides will look as beautiful and be surrounded by such rich landscaping as this? From what we've heard, this is just going to be 3 rides on a flat piece of land with a few random toys dotted around. No classy Disney attractions.
Huge rides like this only work with top quality theming. Look at every other huge Disney ride:
Space Mountain - e-ticket with quality theming
Big Thunder Mountain - e-ticket with quality theming
Pirates Of The Caribbean - e-ticket with quality theming
Tower Of Terror - e-ticket with quality theming
A few from around the globe:
Journey To The Centre Of The Earth - e-ticket with quality theming
Expedition Everest - e-ticket with quality theming
Now let's look at some huge Disney rides that don't have such quality theming:
Jumping Jellyfish - looks awful
Maliboomer - looks awful
Primeval Whirl - looks awful
Have I proved my point yet? Huge rides like this just
do not work unless they have excellent e-ticket style theming.
Sorry if it sounds like I'm ranting. :lol:
Quote from: "RnRCj"Have I proved my point yet? Huge rides like this just do not work unless they have excellent e-ticket style theming.
Sorry if it sounds like I'm ranting. :lol:
Not ranting, I whole heartedly agree. I hope you and I are proven wrong, but having seen Flik's Fun Fair in person as well as excessively studying pictures of Mermaid Lagoon, I am not hopeful at all. And what does a bunch of giant toys have to do with a studio anyway?
People wonder why I get grumpy about this stuff, but some of the responses show that you can put a Disney overlay on any faeces, and people will still buy it. Faeces coated in gold is still faeces at it's core.
Quote from: "RnRCj"I can't imagine any them looking like quality Disney attractions at all. The Toy Story theme just makes it worse because the film just doesn't offer much for detailed theming. Don't get me wrong, I love the Toy Story films, but in my opinion it just doesn't work in a theme park.
I think you are right. Toy Story is one of the weakest Pixar films when it comes to creating immersive environments in the themeparks. For example A Bugs Life, Monsters Inc, Cars, Finding Nemo and Wall-E are set against a background thats a world on its own and recognisable aswell. I would rather see them building Flik's Flyers surrounded by greenery or Jumping Jellyfish with a Little Mermaid theme like in Tokyo then three rather unthemed (?) Toy Story rides. Wrong theme, wrong rides. Ofcourse we can't judge on how they will theme it, we have to wait on the concept arts for that. I hope I will be proven wrong, I truly do, but just as many other doubters I think its rather difficult to theme these kind of flatrides the Disney way. Its not about decorating here, its about theming.
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On the other hand, I hope the Imagineers have a masterplan for the Studios, and do not just add some random rides. Let's remember this is a Studios park, so I hope they will keep that in mind aswell, and not just throw in as many rides a possible and theme it to a certain film or filmset. Just look at Disney's Hollywood Studios and notice they don't even have one single flatride like in our Toon Studio. A streetset, a filmmuseum or other additions which take the film/studio theme seriously can be fairly cheap aswell and do add capacity to the park. The only problem is that these kind of additions are more difficult to promote then something like Toy Storyland.
And for those who say the doubters are too negative; maybe we are, but we are just being realistic in the first place. Just look at Disney's trackrecord when it comes to these kind of flatrides: Paradise Pier and Dinoland USA. A Bugs Land seems quite immersive to me (I can only judge from pics), but at least the environment creates a true backdrop for these flatrides (Flik's Flyers etc.) in my humble opinion.
Remember that the paris parks have been done great in revenue in the last years, especially in 2008, so they have enough money to turn this idea into something great. Will the toystory playland be a land by it's own, or will it be attached to toon studio? Although I'm not sure what to expect from this project, I think it will work out well
I am reserving final judgement till I see some concept art. I am a bit skepical that these rides will work but I'm kind of picturing this area like a larger version of the honey I shrunk the kids playground in Disney's Hollywood Studios. What am I talking about? well that play area sits behind a well themed street set and is very well themed. I can see this Toystory Playland eventually sitting behind a well themed extension to the Boulevard and becoming it's own enclosed little area.
We must not forget that this is about adding important ride capacity on a very small budget, if we have to put up with some well themed fairground rides until we get a stunning Ratatouille E-Ticket I'm happy.
Like someone else said earlier this must be part of the master plan, I don't think these rides have been picked and dumped into the park, they are part of a strategy.
For those who think that the Toy Story theme doesn't really work in a Theme Park, I have to disagree, while it may not be as immersive as other themes if done well it could be really good. If on the other hand we have 3 lightly themed rides and very little in the way of other area themeing we may have a problem.
I think all this Pixarfication means it's only a matter of time before Toon Studio becomes Pixar Place, I would think this will happen by the time Ratatouille opens.
Finally, is it confirmed that it will be a half pipe coaster? I thought it was going to be a disko? I would be surprised if they built a half pipe coaster. Themeing a disko to a scaletric set would work perfectly.
What if they do the halfpipe inside? as a suggestion
Quote from: "Haz"What if they do the halfpipe inside? as a suggestion
you mean inside a building? wouldn't it have to be a very large building?
Quote from: "RnRCj"That's exactly what I'm worried about - bright orange track ruining the WDS skyline. Then of course there's the bright green paratower just to make it even more ghastly.
I know what you're saying but think back when you were younger, you didn't care if the colour of your toys matched with it's surroundings, you didn't care if things look out of place, you just wanted to play with your toys, right? This is what Toy Story Land will be like, it's suppose to have bright, non matching colours and all over the place, like ever kid's bedroom.
QuoteWho here honestly thinks that these rides will look as beautiful and be surrounded by such rich landscaping as this? From what we've heard, this is just going to be 3 rides on a flat piece of land with a few random toys dotted around. No classy Disney attractions.
Like i said the idea of "3 rides on a flat piece of land with a few random toys dotted around" is good because it's suppose to be like a kid's bedroom, which is what a kids room it like, there isn't any nice plants or water falls or fountains in a kid's bedroom. I don't know about you but when i was a kid all what was on the floor was my toys and as you said other random toys dotted about the place ;)
QuoteHuge rides like this only work with top quality theming. Look at every other huge Disney ride:
Space Mountain - e-ticket with quality theming
Big Thunder Mountain - e-ticket with quality theming
Pirates Of The Caribbean - e-ticket with quality theming
Tower Of Terror - e-ticket with quality theming
A few from around the globe:
Journey To The Centre Of The Earth - e-ticket with quality theming
Expedition Everest - e-ticket with quality theming
Now let's look at some huge Disney rides that don't have such quality theming:
Jumping Jellyfish - looks awful
Maliboomer - looks awful
Primeval Whirl - looks awful
Yes but first of all these aren't suppose to be hugh e-tickets ;) Also if you look at your list you haven't listed one DLRP attraction as "looking awful", and only three in ever Disney attraction as "looking awful", so if WDI have managed to only design 3 bad looking "hugh" attractions i'd be very confident TSPL will look good ;)
Also i'm not having a go at RnRCj :P Just want to get my view through :)
Sorry...but has anyone seen a imagineering masterplan/concept art or are we talking about some bubbles?
If we see a concept art and it looks horrible we can judge that hard but with nothing then our own imagination it seems a bit hard. Calm down a bit boys and girls!
:mrgreen:
The discussion could be:
Is toy story the right theming
Is a characters theming the right thing
Do WDS needs such a small rides addition
Is it the right place
....but this "They do absolute the wrong thing" without seeing any concept art, masterplans or else isn´t very target-oriented. Sure they must create a proper surroundings. A high theme standard. A nice landscape. But nobody said that they won´t do that. It seems to be unbelievable that they do it? well, it seems to be unbelievable to build a park like Disneyland once :wink:
So let´s judge after we know what they will do and not before we know nothing more then a name and [strike:lx3ifp8t]three[/strike:lx3ifp8t] two attractions. This "I don´t know what they exactly do but they do the wrong thing" makes me a bit sad. :(
Quote from: "Riebi"So let´s judge after we know what they will do and not before we know nothing more then a name and [strike:1p5oxxgr]three[/strike:1p5oxxgr] two attractions. This "I don´t know what they exactly do but they do the wrong thing" makes me a bit sad. :(
Exactly Riebi, we still know very little about this project, the fun starts when the concept art is released :mrgreen:
Oh and i think there will be three attractions, just one won't be a music express ;)
Quote from: "-breeno-"I know what you're saying but think back when you were younger, you didn't care if the colour of your toys matched with it's surroundings, you didn't care if things look out of place, you just wanted to play with your toys, right? This is what Toy Story Land will be like, it's suppose to have bright, non matching colours and all over the place, like ever kid's bedroom.
And how exactly is that a good thing? We DO care about colours, and things should never look out of place in a Disney park. Why on earth would we want our park looking like a 3 year-old had designed it?
Quote from: "-breeno-"Like i said the idea of "3 rides on a flat piece of land with a few random toys dotted around" is good because it's suppose to be like a kid's bedroom, which is what a kids room it like, there isn't any nice plants or water falls or fountains in a kid's bedroom. I don't know about you but when i was a kid all what was on the floor was my toys and as you said other random toys dotted about the place ;)
But why theme an area to something that looks bad? It's like Paradise Pier which is themed to an amusement park. :roll: It's just an excuse for not theming too well.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Yes but first of all these aren't suppose to be hugh e-tickets ;) Also if you look at your list you haven't listed one DLRP attraction as "looking awful", and only three in ever Disney attraction as "looking awful", so if WDI have managed to only design 3 bad looking "hugh" attractions i'd be very confident TSPL will look good ;)
It seems you didn't understand what I meant. I know these aren't e-tickets, and that's what worries me. If we were promised e-ticket style theming then I wouldn't be so worried, but because these are probably c/d-tickets, then that is worrying. Like I said, look at those other c/d-ticket attractions like Jumping Jellyfish or Primeval Whirl - they are huge rides and they look dreadful. :sick:
No, I didn't list any rides from DLRP. Why? Because DLRP doesn't have any massive flat rides yet. Also, the 3 "awful" rides I listed were just the first 3 that came to my head. There might be some more that I've forgotten, but Disney haven't made many huge rides that aren't e-tickets.
I'm just saying that most of the huge c/d-ticket rides that currently exist look terrible.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Also i'm not having a go at RnRCj :P Just want to get my view through :)
I know I know! :lol: I'm not having a go at anyone either, even though it may seem like it! :P
Quote from: "Riebi"Sorry...but has anyone seen a imagineering masterplan/concept art or are we talking about some bubbles?
If we see a concept art and it looks horrible we can judge that hard but with nothing then our own imagination it seems a bit hard. Calm down a bit boys and girls!
The discussion could be:
Is toy story the right theming
Is a characters theming the right thing
Do WDS needs such a small rides addition
Is it the right place
....but this "They do absolute the wrong thing" without seeing any concept art, masterplans or else isn´t very target-oriented. Sure they must create a proper surroundings. A high theme standard. A nice landscape. But nobody said that they won´t do that. It seems to be unbelievable that they do it? well, it seems to be unbelievable to build a park like Disneyland once
So let´s judge after we know what they will do and not before we know nothing more then a name and [strike:23r9omej]three[/strike:23r9omej] two attractions. This "I don´t know what they exactly do but they do the wrong thing" makes me a bit sad.
I think we do have enough information to make an opinion actually. Come on, we already know what type of rides will be included and we also know what the theme will be.
My main problem is the Toy Story theme because there's already so much of it, and it's a hard film to create any immersive environments from. Most of Toy Story is set inside a normal looking house - something we've all seen and experienced before. When I go to Disney park, I like to be taken into a completely new world; not back to the house where I've just came from.
Quote from: "Maarten"I think you are right. Toy Story is one of the weakest Pixar films when it comes to creating immersive environments in the themeparks. For example A Bugs Life, Monsters Inc, Cars, Finding Nemo and Wall-E are set against a background thats a world on its own and recognisable aswell. I would rather see them building Flik's Flyers surrounded by greenery or Jumping Jellyfish with a Little Mermaid theme like in Tokyo then three rather unthemed (?) Toy Story rides. Wrong theme, wrong rides. Ofcourse we can't judge on how they will theme it, we have to wait on the concept arts for that. I hope I will be proven wrong, I truly do, but just as many other doubters I think its rather difficult to theme these kind of flatrides the Disney way. Its not about decorating here, its about theming.
I agree, especially with that last sentence. So many people mistake decorating for theming. I would me much more optimistic if this project were our own version of A Bug's Land or Mermaid Lagoon, even though those are still not the best Disney areas ever created. Toy Story is just filled with plastic and cheap-ness, and I'm just afraid that we'll be getting that in our park too.
(Wow, such a long post! :P)
Quote from: "RnRCj"I agree, especially with that last sentence. So many people mistake decorating for theming. I would me much more optimistic if this project were our own version of A Bug's Land or Mermaid Lagoon, even though those are still not the best Disney areas ever created. Toy Story is just filled with plastic and cheap-ness, and I'm just afraid that we'll be getting that in our park too.
Well if we look at the theming of Pizza Planet and Buzz in Discoveryland, the work of Chester and Hesters, Mermaid Lagoon, Paradise Pier (including the redo) and Flik's, and then the theming of Toy Story Midway Mania, I think there is enough evidence to justify my enormous amount of apprehension for this project.
The one thing WDSP does not need are rubbish carny rides. Heck, I even think Crush was a HUGE mistake at WDSP.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Like i said the idea of "3 rides on a flat piece of land with a few random toys dotted around" is good because it's suppose to be like a kid's bedroom, which is what a kids room it like, there isn't any nice plants or water falls or fountains in a kid's bedroom.
If they would like to recreate Andy's room as a filmset (like Flying Carpets for example), then they need more then just some randomly placed toys. But like I said, lets wait and see until they release some concept arts.
Quote from: "Riebi"Sure they must create a proper surroundings. A high theme standard. A nice landscape. But nobody said that they won´t do that. It seems to be unbelievable that they do it? well, it seems to be unbelievable to build a park like Disneyland once :wink:
Although Disneyland Paris is a beautiful park, it wasn't unbelievable Disney created a park like that. Maybe unusual is a better word. Back then Disney had a trackrecord for always pushing the envelope. It was more unbelievable they created a park like Walt Disney Studios or Disney's California Adventure. Thats the kind of Disney we are talking about nowadays, not Disney during the 80s. And although Disney has learned its lessons in the past few years (look at all these placemakings both in California and Paris), I wouldn't be surprised if Toy Storyland turns out to be very minimal. Especially since they seem to have a very small budget and an approach like these additions are a quick fix. I think thats the main concern of most nay-sayers. Ofcourse these flatrides don't have to be themed to e-ticket standards, but if you look at Dumbo, Teacups, Cars Race Rally etc you have to notice that they are not just randomly placed without a fitting landscape. Hopefully the Imagineers will keep that in mind and blow us away (its not a lost case for me). But once again let's wait and see. I hope I will be proven wrong, but like a few others I have my reservations about Toy Storyland.
By the way, if we are not allowed to expres our doubts without concept arts, whats the point of a discussion board then? Disney doesn't have the habit to release concept arts every few weeks you know... :wink: :P
A member on the "SouthParks" forum posted this:
QuoteFun Fact: The army men paratroopers will be the relocated 'Jumpin Jellyfish' from Disneys California Adventure. Scheduled for removal in the next year or so.
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I don't recall hearing about Jumpin' Jellyfish being removed, so is this really true?
Quote from: "RnRCj"A member on the "SouthParks" forum posted this:
QuoteFun Fact: The army men paratroopers will be the relocated 'Jumpin Jellyfish' from Disneys California Adventure. Scheduled for removal in the next year or so.
//http://www.southparks.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=162&view=findpost&p=153627
I don't recall hearing about Jumpin' Jellyfish being removed, so is this really true?
It is quite likely, given it does not appear in the Blue Sky Cellar Disney plans at DCA. And as someone who has been on them at DCA, we do not want them in the Studios. The lines will be crazy and even my 3 and 5 yo were bored.
No thanks, no matter the theme (anyone who has ever been to Legoland, it is not much different than the one you control yourself).
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "RnRCj"A member on the "SouthParks" forum posted this:
QuoteFun Fact: The army men paratroopers will be the relocated 'Jumpin Jellyfish' from Disneys California Adventure. Scheduled for removal in the next year or so.
//http://www.southparks.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=162&view=findpost&p=153627
I don't recall hearing about Jumpin' Jellyfish being removed, so is this really true?
It is quite likely, given it does not appear in the Blue Sky Cellar Disney plans at DCA. And as someone who has been on them at DCA, we do not want them in the Studios. The lines will be crazy and even my 3 and 5 yo were bored.
No thanks, no matter the theme (anyone who has ever been to Legoland, it is not much different than the one you control yourself).
Jumpin' Jellyfish is staying put for the time being - budget restraints.
Just a few things to clarify:
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"It is quite likely, given it does not appear in the Blue Sky Cellar Disney plans at DCA. And as someone who has been on them at DCA, we do not want them in the Studios. The lines will be crazy and even my 3 and 5 yo were bored.
As I've said before, according to the original proposal, the WDS version would have six towers in a circle, not just two as at DCA. Triple the capacity. As for it being "boring", themeing it instead to that famous Army Men shot from Toy Story is very different from a generic jellyfish theme.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Like i said the idea of "3 rides on a flat piece of land with a few random toys dotted around" is good because it's suppose to be like a kid's bedroom, which is what a kids room it like, there isn't any nice plants or water falls or fountains in a kid's bedroom.
Wait wait wait. It's definitely not a bedroom or any kind of environment like that -- the story of the land as far as we know is that you're walking into
Andy's back yard, his garden, shrunk to the size of a toy. All his toys are thrown around amongst the plants and some of them you can ride. I can't imagine it would be open and flat, but very green and interesting to walk around.
Unlike the current park, you wouldn't be able to see the entire thing in a simple glimpse. It should also be a very welcome bit of natural environment in what is currently a too-obviously concrete, man-made park.
Quote from: "RnRCj"That's exactly what I'm worried about - bright orange track ruining the WDS skyline. Then of course there's the bright green paratower just to make it even more ghastly.
I must have missed the concept art that confirms these colours? Don't
make up things to get annoyed about!
Quote from: "Whoknew?"Will the toystory playland be a land by it's own, or will it be attached to toon studio? Although I'm not sure what to expect from this project, I think it will work out well
It will be part of Toon Studio, like Storybook Land in Fantasyland. And I'd bet my final Disney Dollar on Toon Studio NEVER being renamed to Pixar Studio. It just won't happen.
Of course masterplans for WDS
do exist! But like most things at WDI, they seem to be constantly changing.
Quote from: "Maarten"By the way, if we are not allowed to expres our doubts without concept arts, whats the point of a discussion board then? Disney doesn't have the habit to release concept arts every few weeks you know... :wink: :P
Absolutely right. A whole forum of "i'll wait and see" wouldn't be much fun, but equally it's a good thing to look at each project objectively and see what it'll add to the park.
One of the most important things with this will be whether they push to include things like a shop, an eating place of some kind (NOT A VAN!!) and extra toilets. If anything the downfall of the first Toon Studio extension was that they seemed to squeeze their budget for the rides so much that nothing was left for the park infrastructure.
The worst thing would be if they think they can get away with saving the full restaurant for Ratatouille in 2012 or whenever, and just giving Toon Studio a few more hot dog vans until then. Then, knowing DLRP's luck, budgets would be cut, Ratatouille
wouldn't get a restaurant and the land would be stuck with nothing. The park has bigger things to worry about than if a hot wheels track would ruin its "skyline".
I'll try and keep this reply short(er). :P
Quote from: "Anthony"As I've said before, according to the original proposal, the WDS version would have six towers in a circle, not just two as at DCA. Triple the capacity. As for it being "boring", themeing it instead to that famous Army Men shot from Toy Story is very different from a generic jellyfish theme.
6 towers? It just gets better doesn't it. :roll: As for it's theme, I'm not sure. I can't really remember the "famous Army Men shot" - I may have to watch it again tonight so I can recap!
Quote from: "Anthony"Unlike the current park, you wouldn't be able to see the entire thing in a simple glimpse. It should also be a very welcome bit of natural environment in what is currently a too-obviously concrete, man-made park.
Oh yes, I am looking forward to the fact that WDS will no longer be a load of attractions along one strip of pathway! I'm only hoping that it's not "just" trees and rides that will be in this new area. We need immersive themes!
Quote from: "Anthony"I must have missed the concept art that confirms these colours? Don't make up things to get annoyed about!
You didn't see the concept art?!
CLICK! (//http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/jacoaster/TSPL01.jpg)
Quote from: "Anthony"One of the most important things with this will be whether they push to include things like a shop, an eating place of some kind (NOT A VAN!!) and extra toilets. If anything the downfall of the first Toon Studio extension was that they seemed to squeeze their budget for the rides so much that nothing was left for the park infrastructure.
The worst thing would be if they think they can get away with saving the full restaurant for Ratatouille in 2012 or whenever, and just giving Toon Studio a few more hot dog vans until then. Then, knowing DLRP's luck, budgets would be cut, Ratatouille wouldn't get a restaurant and the land would be stuck with nothing.
I agree about a restaurant. In fact, I would actually be pleased to see a restaurant in this new area! Though, if there was going to be one, I think we would have heard something by now...?
Quote from: "Anthony"The park has bigger things to worry about than if a hot wheels track would ruin its "skyline".
They still need to worry about that though. Everything in this new area should be taken into account and thought through thoroughly (try saying that three times). We've just had the amazing Hollywood Boulevard, and right next door to TSPL will be the very detailed and well themed Cars attraction, so this needs to be as good, if not better than those.
Adz (the member who posted the information on Southparks about moving Jumpin' Jellyfish) is constantly posting rumours which never appear, a very poor source of information for Merlin attractions so I doubt he has any "sources" in Paris, I'd wait for someone reliable to mention it before I believe it.
Could we be hearing more information at the Shareholders meeting in February? Would seem like a good time to officially confirm everything.
Quote from: "Willow"Could we be hearing more information at the Shareholders meeting in February? Would seem like a good time to officially confirm everything.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, the only attraction ever that got announced during the annual shareholders meeting, was HISTA back in 1998... so better not hold your breath.
maybe they announce the new attraction in jannuary 28. when the first quartal financial report gets officially, lets wait and see if they will tell us...
Quote from: "Anthony"Just a few things to clarify:
Wait wait wait. It's definitely not a bedroom or any kind of environment like that -- the story of the land as far as we know is that you're walking into Andy's back yard, his garden, shrunk to the size of a toy. All his toys are thrown around amongst the plants and some of them you can ride. I can't imagine it would be open and flat, but very green and interesting to walk around.
Unlike the current park, you wouldn't be able to see the entire thing in a simple glimpse. It should also be a very welcome bit of natural environment in what is currently a too-obviously concrete, man-made park.
I quite like the 'Andy's Backyard' theme, this means it may very well be like the HISTK Playground but with rides!
I have to admit though that the ride which I am most nervous about is the Army men, 6 towers? sounds like a bit of a blot on the landscape to me, I hope they are not very tall.
UPDATE
meeko120103 on the dlp.info forums has posted a very detailed description of Toy Story Playland:
CLICK (//http://forum.mousekingdom.com/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=3&topic_id=82987&mesg_id=82987&page=)
Doesn't sound good at all. In fact, it sounds WORSE than I thought it would be.
35 metres for the halfpipe?! HUGE mistake right there. A combination between toons and MEGA thrills are in no way acceptable. So much for Disneyland being a family theme park.
The Paratower, again is a big mistake. It's just too big and sounds awfully toony.
Slinky Dog could be okay, not great, but nothing more than okay.
I am VERY disappointed with the Imagineers on this one. The whole area just sounds messy and ugly. Honestly, in the back of mind I DID have a little bit of hope that this project could turn out okay. That's all been lost now.
I'd be shocked if some of you guys reply thinking this is all good news.
Quote from: "RnRCj"I'd be shocked if some of you guys reply thinking this is all good news.
:mrgreen:
You're gonna hate me for this, but I still have hope for this project. I think that Imagineering can pull this off, and it does sound like a good step forward for the Studios. To me, it sounds like a place that you'd have great fun walking through, where you'd feel like an excited child again, just what the Studios needs. Therefore I'm still looking forward to seeing how this'll turn out :P
But you still have to keep in mind, that even this description is still a rumour, anyone could have written it! And even if it is based on concept art, these thing can change hugely in a small space of time, you only have to look over the concept art for the Toon Studio to see that :wink:
Quote from: "RnRCj"The Paratower, again is a big mistake. It's just too big and sounds awfully toony.
I hate to say it RnRCj, but they don't call it the
Toon Studio for nothing :wink:
You can't say you like the idea of a 35m halfpipe though... can you? :wink:
Quote from: "RnRCj"You can't say you like the idea of a 35m halfpipe though... can you? :wink:
Errrrrrrrr... next question! :roll: :lol:
Ok, so my initial reaction to the height was probably the same as yours, however, I'm willing to give it, and Imagineering, a chance to prove themselves. You never know, it could look really good together with everything else... :wink:
The thing that I'm looking forward to the most is the look and the feel of the land, and from the description it sounds like a fantastically fun place just to look around and explore. Something like that it what the WDS is missing, the new area of the Toon Studio wasn't to bad at this (with the themeing all around rather than a plain concrete path, the Agrabah Oasis plant area, the shells flying out of Crush, etc), and neither is the new Hollywood Boulevard and Tower of Terror areas, but apart from these (and maybe the entrance area), the Studios doesn't have this, and I'm looking forward to seeing it there :wink:
I 100% agree with Bultin, this news has only made me look forward to this more than less (and i know RnRCj will hate me for saying that :mrgreen: ). It is something WDS needs and as i've been saying since the start, it's filling one of the "gaps", isn't it better than nothing? ;)
As for the 35m halfpipe... well i need to know how tall that is? :P I can never estimate measurements right, what would it be the same hight as in DLRP? I know it's bigger than Studio 1 (as it says the Army Men attraction is that height, and something i'm really looking forward to seeing) but how bigger? Height doesn't really bother me though, like it won't be an eyesore IMO, well it won't hurt my eyes :P
Quote from: "-breeno-"As for the 35m halfpipe... well i need to know how tall that is? :P I can never estimate measurements right, what would it be the same hight as in DLRP? I know it's bigger than Studio 1 (as it says the Army Men attraction is that height, and something i'm really looking forward to seeing) but how bigger? Height doesn't really bother me though, like it won't be an eyesore IMO, well it won't hurt my eyes :P
It'll be very tall. To put into perspective; Studio 1 is 20m, and TOT is 55m, so it'll only 20m short of that. I think the two main problems that people are worrying about are:
1. the difficulties with themeing it.
2. seeing it from a distance (it'll tower over most things in the Studios, except TOT and perhaps the Earffel Tower) and from Frontierland and the Disneyland park as well (e.g. you can clearly see TOT from the Fantasy land Archway near Bella Notre, so you'll probably see this).
I suppose this is, in a way, the ultimate Disney Marmite, you'll either love it or you'll hate it :wink: :P
35 metres is a decent height, Tower of Terror is around 60 metres.
It wont look huge though as it will only be a bit of track up in the air.
I guess it will be the Intamin version. (Vekoma's is a standard size and has a lower capacity). I also guess that Disney will want the 1080 p/h version with 3 gondalas on the board.
The descriptions have made me pretty excited, it looks like its going to be themed nicely and also have some nice touches from the movies which some people won't pick up on.
Sounds good to me!
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Quote from: "RnRCj"I'd be shocked if some of you guys reply thinking this is all good news.
:mrgreen:
You're gonna hate me for this, but I still have hope for this project. I think that Imagineering can pull this off, and it does sound like a good step forward for the Studios. To me, it sounds like a place that you'd have great fun walking through, where you'd feel like an excited child again, just what the Studios needs. Therefore I'm still looking forward to seeing how this'll turn out :P
But you still have to keep in mind, that even this description is still a rumour, anyone could have written it! And even if it is based on concept art, these thing can change hugely in a small space of time, you only have to look over the concept art for the Toon Studio to see that :wink:
Quote from: "RnRCj"The Paratower, again is a big mistake. It's just too big and sounds awfully toony.
I hate to say it RnRCj, but they don't call it the Toon Studio for nothing :wink:
TBB... Perfectly put there lad... Perfectly Put...
If these rumours have
any truth... I would be quite happy to see all of these rides in the Studios... and in Toon Studio... I'm Loving the fact they've filled the land with more than just the rides... Rex is Still in my opinion under used and So is Hamm... Ratzenberger (along with Lasseter) is Pixar... Nice to see the ball too!
Height... well except for my small fear of... I'm daring to give it a whirl.. Although I will admit RC is giving my stomach cause for concern...
But we shall have to wait and see...
Maybe there needs to be more thought towards the "Pre School Toys" As Potato Head would say...
But As Buzz would say...
"To Infinity and Beyond"
I'm not sure what to think of this, I've never been excited about this development. I can't see it fitting with the park well, hopefully I'll be proved wrong. It would be quite nice to see references to Toy Story 3 considering that it is released next year too.
I got confirmation yesterday evening that the description is true. To give you an idea... The Paratower is taking over the entire grass behind AODA, RC Racer will go between the trees of the forest and Slinky somewhere in the middle. There will be props and references everywhere which make the area sound a lot more appealing to me now! I know what I'll be enjoying in 2010 and it won't be another Entertainment misfire taking over Main Street and Le Chateau.
Doesn't sound that bad to me at all :)
So we are going to have constructionphoto's real soon I guess.
Considering these attractions are fairly 'plain' (meaning they do not involve that much actual building construction) this could be all done rather fast.
Let's wait and see in the months to come :)
What's next? :D
Quote from: "Kristof"I know what I'll be enjoying in 2010 and it won't be another Entertainment misfire taking over Main Street and Le Chateau.
You mean there'll be
NO giant visible bolts holding this into the ground? :roll:
Indeed, all these props and references sound brilliant. The monkeys over the walkway, giant walkie-talkies for the Army Men, Rex and the RC photolocation... it sounds like everything we just asked for. An expanded version of the area outside DHS' Toy Story Mania but (hopefully) set amongst a lot of planting. Nice!
Although I still can't quite work out how they're turning Scuttles Scooters into Slinky, and making it look good, since the cars are separate. Unless it'll be very different.
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I just can't picture that one.
Wasn't this type of ride scrapped in favour of another (but still with the Slinky theme)?
Just caught up on this thread and even though i despise Toy Story this place is going to make one little girl very happy.
I'm looking forward to seeing this whole new area come to life though.
Quote from: "Kristof"I got confirmation yesterday evening that the description is true. To give you an idea... The Paratower is taking over the entire grass behind AODA, RC Racer will go between the trees of the forest and Slinky somewhere in the middle. There will be props and references everywhere which make the area sound a lot more appealing to me now! I know what I'll be enjoying in 2010 and it won't be another Entertainment misfire taking over Main Street and Le Chateau.
I was going to ask about the validity of the original description. Anyone could just write up an idea and make it seem like fact - however now a second person has "confirmation" I'm inclined to believe its true.
The description sounds quite accurate. The only thing still missing from all rumours, etc about this is word of if the new area will include anything like toilets, shops or eating places. That might make me seem like the most dull fan on earth, but knowing some of the guests who visit DLRP, the fact Toy Story Playland will be popular with kids and the nearest toilets are right over by Studio Tram Tour... well, let's just say it's good the land will be surrounded by lots of plants...
I'm guessing they really are waiting till Ratatouille to bring that kind of desperately needed "infrastructure" to this half of the park. It's just ridiculous that Toon Studio probably still won't have any proper shops, any restaurants or any toilets after this.
In better news, read this from upcoming pixar:
QuoteToy Story's re-release and sequel campaign plans have just been released by Toy News.
Promotions will be "extensive" for the first two Toy Story films and "huge" for the highly anticipated Toy Story 3. Merchandise will range from brand new action figures to DVD/Blu-ray's which will be released in Spring of '10 (Toy Story), Summer of '10 (Toy Story 2) and Fall of '10 (Toy Story 3). TS3's campaign will be the most extensive and will feature PR, TV, press and outdoor advertisements and high profile promos.
Don't Forget: Toy Story in 3D will be released October 2nd, 2009; Toy Story 2 in 3D will be released February 12th, 2010 and Toy Story 3 will be released June 18th, 2010.
It's indirect advertising, but re-releasing the first two films in 3D
and then Blu-Ray,
and then the release of the third film -- Toy Story Playland could well bring WDS an even bigger boom than Toon/Tower did.
Quote from: "Anthony"I'm guessing they really are waiting till Ratatouille to bring that kind of desperately needed "infrastructure" to this half of the park. It's just ridiculous that Toon Studio probably still won't have any proper shops, any restaurants or any toilets after this.
Oh I´m absolutly on your site here. It´s a bit weired that you have to take a longer walk just to find a toilet. And with no shops and "proper" food location their´s really a big miss. Wasn´t the rule for a Disney park: Put a shop at the end of the attraction :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Anthony"It's just ridiculous that Toon Studio probably still won't have any proper shops, any restaurants or any toilets after this.
This is another reason to be against this project now. I was really hoping for a proper restaurant to come with this; it would've been one of the few good thing about it and, as you said, would have provided some much needed infrastructure to the park (We might have seen some good architecture too).
Three toon-themed carnival rides and props with nothing else... nowhere near good enough (as I'm sure you all know by now :wink:).
Quote from: "Anthony"In better news, read this from upcoming pixar:
QuoteToy Story's re-release and sequel campaign plans have just been released by Toy News.
Promotions will be "extensive" for the first two Toy Story films and "huge" for the highly anticipated Toy Story 3. Merchandise will range from brand new action figures to DVD/Blu-ray's which will be released in Spring of '10 (Toy Story), Summer of '10 (Toy Story 2) and Fall of '10 (Toy Story 3). TS3's campaign will be the most extensive and will feature PR, TV, press and outdoor advertisements and high profile promos.
Don't Forget: Toy Story in 3D will be released October 2nd, 2009; Toy Story 2 in 3D will be released February 12th, 2010 and Toy Story 3 will be released June 18th, 2010.
It's indirect advertising, but re-releasing the first two films in 3D and then Blu-Ray, and then the release of the third film -- Toy Story Playland could well bring WDS an even bigger boom than Toon/Tower did.
I swear the film news was announced
ages ago. It is defo going to bring in a mass of peeps to the Studios, especially if they advertise the new attractions well enough
amongst all the film marketing, maybe tie-in ads?
^They'd be stupid not to.
From what I've read, Toy Story Land doesn't sound terribly appealing. It sounds pretty cheap, tacky, messy and not particuarly Disney.
And, is it an extension of Toon Studio, or a separate land? There seem to be too many radically different themes, all within the same space. You have Aladdin, then Finding Nemo, then Cars and now Toy Story. There isn't much continuity and you can't really get immersed in one particular theme, because you're never really surrounded by one idea.
As others have pointed out, if they're going to put huge parachute drop towers, directly behind the Art of Disney Animation, won't they seem quite dominant, and compete visually with the Tower of Terror? Seems an odd point in the park to put such a large, carnival-looking structure.
Quote from: "Alan"From what I've read, Toy Story Land doesn't sound terribly appealing. It sounds pretty cheap, tacky, messy and not particuarly Disney.
And, is it an extension of Toon Studio, or a separate land? There seem to be too many radically different themes, all within the same space. You have Aladdin, then Finding Nemo, then Cars and now Toy Story. There isn't much continuity and you can't really get immersed in one particular theme, because you're never really surrounded by one idea.
As others have pointed out, if they're going to put huge parachute drop towers, directly behind the Art of Disney Animation, won't they seem quite dominant, and compete visually with the Tower of Terror? Seems an odd point in the park to put such a large, carnival-looking structure.
First of all, I believe this will be part of Toon Studio and not seperate land. Secondly, I completely agree with everything you said there. Why some other people can't see these problems is beyond me.
Take a look at the poll in Poll-land and see how many are in favour. No offence to anyone, but after you've experienced the quality of Disneyland Park how can you POSSIBLY think this is a good idea? This will be, in my opinion, the 2nd worst thing ever created for a Disney park, beaten only by Chester and Hester's at Animal Kingdom.
It's worrying when I am actually more excited about Alton Towers' new roller coaster than this.
Quote from: "RnRCj"It's worrying when I am actually more excited about Alton Towers' new roller coaster than this.
Thats because thats going to be AMAZING!!! :P
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I'd go on any of the 3 rides mentioned even if they were built in the middle of the Resort car park.
Its going to add 3 rides to the parks offerings (which really needs adding to) and it won't cost a fortune to add the capacity.
These kind of rides are needed before WDS can even start thinking about expanding further with a new D or E Ticket. Their priority should be to have enough rides which warrant spending a whole day on the park.
Hello, there is more about this Toy Story Land project for the WDS with a long article on Disney and more today here:
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/ ... isney.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/01/toy-story-land-coming-to-walt-disney.html)
Toon Studios should really just be called Pixar Studios. Get rid of the few "Disney" things they have, and just go all Pixar with it. For me, the name "Toon" never made any sense in the first place. I mean, who associates Pixar movies with "toons"? It doesn't make a lot of sense, and sounds very much like a French idea. Besides, they already have a Pixar Place over at Disney's Hollywood Studios.
WDS can build more kiddy rides if they want to, but, for those of us who are interested in classic, lavish, spectacular attractions, I think we'll have to look elsewhere for the next couple of years. There's no point in counting down 10 years, waiting for WDS to build something similar to what's already been done in America. It's just better to go over to America for your holiday :-)
Quote from: "loaloa"Hello, there is more about this Toy Story Land project for the WDS with a long article on Disney and more today here:
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/ ... isney.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/01/toy-story-land-coming-to-walt-disney.html)
QuoteNow, to be honest i'm still a little bit dubious about this project. Don't get me wrong, I am sure it will be successful and I am also sure that the Imagineers will do a wonderful Toy Story theming all over what are normally carnival rides. And i like also the idea of giant elements in front of which even adults will feel they are a child. I know, too, that the Walt Disney Studios desperately need a kind of "Fantasyland", and that each Disney park do have this kind of land - think about Bug's Land at DCA or Mermaid lagoon at TDS - but, considering the height of two of them - the parachute tower and the half pipe coaster - i sincerely hope there will not be any visual intrusion, whether it'll be at the WDS or DLP - the back of Frontierland is only at 200 yards from where these three attractions will be build...
This Frontierland-thing is something that I never was thinking about. Interesting aspect!
hey folks,
i don´t know what to think or to say about it, at one side i say great idea
on the other side i don´t know if the two, the parachute tower and the half pipe coaster
are the best choise they make for a kids inspired land.
if i´m honest i don´t wanna see two towering attractions again, the attraction companys
have so much different kidi rides they can use...
i think i can more say when i see concept art...
The more I think ad hear about this project, the more I dislike it. I know Fantasyland also has nicely themed off-the-shelve attractions, but Dumbo doesn't stick 35M into the air...
The WDS really seemed on the right track with The Tower of Terror and Hollywood Boulevard. To bad they're braking that tradition with plunging down carnival rides.
hey ya folks,
i miss one thing on this idea...
for me these are just carnival rides with themening, but where is the story
i don´t see an interesting story for each ride...
lets look to fantasyland, there is dumbo the story is to fly with him or the teacups...
but i don´t know wht is the story for slinky dog, maybe halp him to get his tail :twisted:
it´s a bit dissabointing they don´t look that much to a story at the time and just add a few rides with a bit themening...
i think when the imageneers use they´re brain, they can bring up a great story
with the toy story theme and other rides instead of the two towering attractions...
Quote from: "Remco K."The WDS really seemed on the right track with The Tower of Terror and Hollywood Boulevard. To bad they're braking that tradition with plunging down carnival rides.
These are just a couple more small rides to extend Toon Studio. They're very much in "tradition" with that land, since it's basically a Fantasyland built on Disney's modern movies. If they were plonking down flat rides in Hollywood Blvd I'd have a different feeling, I'd cut up my annual passport, but I don't see how these three extras are so different or so catastrophically worse than Cars, for example. A good, expensive Ratatouille ride is still on the drawing/rumour board.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"i miss one thing on this idea...
for me these are just carnival rides with themening, but where is the story
i don´t see an interesting story for each ride...
The story is that you're shrunk to the size of a toy and stepping into Andy's backyard to actually play properly with the toys as if you were a toy yourself. I guess RC lets you try out his Hot Wheels track, Slinky lets you ride on his back and the Army Men try to train you up at their bootcamp.
I guess the overall story is still that you're on a backlot set where the toons make their movies. I agree, it's not exactly as strong as Tower of Terror or Phantom Manor, but then I never did understand why Fantasyland has sixteen Dumbos, all with giant metal arms sticking out of them.
Quote from: "Alan"Toon Studios should really just be called Pixar Studios. Get rid of the few "Disney" things they have, and just go all Pixar with it. For me, the name "Toon" never made any sense in the first place. I mean, who associates Pixar movies with "toons"? It doesn't make a lot of sense, and sounds very much like a French idea. Besides, they already have a Pixar Place over at Disney's Hollywood Studios.
I'm surprised how many people want it to become Pixar Studios now. Isn't that what everyone
didn't want about a year ago? Currently, it feels more like a Disney land to me, especially with 3 Disney attractions to Pixar's 2.
But more importantly -- Toon Studio isn't a French term whatsoever, it's a
Hollywood term. All those classic gossip columns and papers like Variety have always and still do refer to animation studios in short as "toon studios". Here's some examples:
"Just two months after ending its deal with DreamWorks Animation, Aardman Features, the British toon studio behind "Wallace & Gromit" and..."
"After the less than universally admired "Cars," Pixar's eighth feature sees the Disney-owned toon studio in very fine form, and confirms Bird's reputation"
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&hs ... tnG=Search (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&hs=0CM&q=site%3Avariety.com+%22toon+studio%22&btnG=Search)
So even if some people still think Toy Story Playland will make us physically sick as we walk through it because it's so cheap and nasty and bad, can we at least agree that the 'Toon Studio' name is a pretty good one? Short and sharp, and much, much easier to say than "Pixar Place" for French speakers.
QuoteThe story is that you're shrunk to the size of a toy and stepping into Andy's backyard to actually play properly with the toys as if you were a toy yourself. I guess RC lets you try out his Hot Wheels track, Slinky lets you ride on his back and the Army Men try to train you up at their bootcamp.
I guess the overall story is still that you're on a backlot set where the toons make their movies. I agree, it's not exactly as strong as Tower of Terror or Phantom Manor, but then I never did understand why Fantasyland has sixteen Dumbos, all with giant metal arms sticking out of them.
okay the back story is funny, but i don´t like the sorys of each ride...
that disney cant make on every ride they wanna build a big story like
TOT, PM, SM ect. is clear...
i know now i go into imageneering but i think they shouldn´t build
the rc racer attraction, make a kids playground like we have in the main park
the slinky dog ride, the army men tower and something
with this ride..
(//http://www.mack-rides.com/leseobjekte.html?id=373o)
for me this sounds more like an kids area!! and they can do something great
with this...
Well, I was initially against this idea, but the more I hear the more I like it! If they can theme similar to cars area and Pixar Place in DHS then this should be a great cost effective addition to the studios. In reality guys it's three new attractions, as in rides not lame walk throughs or exhibitions that in the past have been billed as great new attractions. And with the added marketing from all three toy story movies around the same time it is a great move for the studios in such tough economic times.
Just think how impressed we were with the cars attraction, not so much for the basic ride, but for the depth of theming it gave to the park.
If the RC track actualy looked like a hot wheels track rather than a coaster then even that would get my vote!
Let's stop moaning untill we see concept art work at least
Quote from: "Anthony"These are just a couple more small rides to extend Toon Studio.
You've got to be kidding.
Okay, let's take a look at two scenario's.
WDS has been a troubled park in the past: almost no theming, small park, boring floors, etc. The WDS has come a long way in growing out to a park that at least resembles a bit of Disney magic.
Now, just imagine the WDS were orginally constructed as a beautiful themepark featuring the same quality as Disneyland Park. The latest announced addition turns out to be the Toy Story Play Land. Would you all still be as excited?
I think the discussions would be more like "How can they make such a horrible and cheap addition to the WDS!".
Think about it.
EVERYONE CALM DOWN :D :D :D :D :D/ - no drawings have been shown yet, wait you might be surprised and i hope you will be :D/ :D/ :D/
Quote from: "Remco K."Now, just imagine the WDS were orginally constructed as a beautiful themepark featuring the same quality as Disneyland Park. The latest announced addition turns out to be the Toy Story Play Land. Would you all still be as excited?
I think the discussions would be more like "How can they make such a horrible and cheap addition to the WDS!".
Think about it.
That's a great way to look at it. Hopefully people will take notice.
Nobody should be supporting this project; it's just encouraging the Imagineers to come up with such crap ideas in the future. Disney parks need more than just rides and a few props.
Quote from: "RnRCj"That's a great way to look at it. Hopefully people will take notice.
Nobody should be supporting this project; it's just encouraging the Imagineers to come up with such crap ideas in the future. Disney parks need more than just rides and a few props.
Amen, you want rides, go to Alton Towers. Disney has always been about attractions, not rides!
Dumbo?! Anyone?? And let's be honest the original space mountain and dare I say rockin roller coaster?? Love em all, but aren't that different to rides you find at Alton towers. Just wait for the concept artwork. I too have my doubts, and yes I want every attraction to be deep in theming and not an off the shelf ride linked to a movie. But in reality, there has always been a mixture in the parks of both. Yes I agree the emphasis lately has been on off the shelf rides, but realistcly, this should keep interest in the park, create expansion while most places are cutting costs, and enable true e ticket attractions in the future as already discussed.
But I only go on Dumbo if it is a walk on. And I am not too fussed if I go on Space Mountain (1st version, yes) or RNR Coaster. they re ok. But Disney is about PotC, Phantom Manor and those sorts of immersive attractions.
I totaly agree! Attractions that create myth and mythogy. Bring new characters alive, and not simply rely on movie tie in's. That to me is where a Disney theme park triumphs. But, I can understand the marketing aspect of these rides. I mean, Pixars only movie to recieve less than glowing reviews, Cars, is the only movie other than Toy Story to get a sequel. Why? Because the merchandise sells so well. By no means the right approach as far as I'm concerned, but I can understand why. The same logic applies to these rides over a truely "Disney" Attraction. I just hope that by adding these, and therefore growing the attraction roster at the park we can keep attendance up and fund one of a kind Disney attractions in the future. In addition to that, I'm hoping that if they are themed to the level the cars attraction is, they will maybe a nice filler until we get a new e ticket?
Quote from: "penfold12"they will maybe a nice filler until we get a new e ticket?
I think they will be. Very nice.
Besides just being a bit more realistic, anyone who's "ok" with Toy Story Playland also obviously realises that this is 2010 we're talking about. Next year. And that Euro Disney SCA did just spend the best part of 240 million euros on Tower of Terror just one year ago.
Now back to the land itself...
Quote3 attractions will appear between Tram Tour, the Costuming Building and Cars. Together they are TOY STORY PLAYLAND.
Walking down Route 66 you will see a giant Robot, holding Scrabble Letters forming TOY STORY PLAYLAND. The street will split up, left side leading to ARMY MEN PARACHUTE JUMP and SLINKY DOG Ride, the right one towards the forest (and future Expansion that the Imagineers still cook on ) and the RC RACER Halfpipe Coaster. Both ways lead around the SLINKY DOG Ride and connect behind it in front of RC RACER.
ARMY MEN PARACHUTE DROP:
Imagine the Pearl Harbor set from Tram Tour and give it Toy Story Colors. A huge Babyphone will guide you to the entrance. Metal Army Barriers, a Toy Jeep and your way continues into a small hangar. Between the ride and Tram Tour you recognize an Airplane (yes, Disney uses Extreme Makeover for old props ) The ride will take you up, 3 guests on each seat, up to 25 meters. (It's the height of Studio 1). Outside you may take pictures on a photo location like if you are jumping with a parachute.
SLINKY DOG:
Between the¨parachutes and the costuming building (just behind the robot at the entrance) you find this ride. Compare it with a Music Express (carnival ride from Mack), but themed around Slinky chasing his tail around a fire hydrant in the center. Entering left hand (the left road) into a huge plastic woodlog building (in Toy Story 2 you have Mr and Ms Potatohead kissing in it) you will passing along the famous Pixar Ball (the one with the yellow star), KNEX Construction Barriers, huge dominoes and play cubes to have a spin. The ride is facing the Forest and RC RACER, so even waiting you see a lot. Exiting on the right side you encounter Rex the Dinosaur and a barrel with the plastic monkeys forming a chain over the walkway.
RC RACER:
Well, 35 meters high, looks like a huge horseshoe upside down. Why? Cause the top is nearly 95 degrees, so when the remote control car that you are seated in will stop on highest position, the only thing holding you in your seat is a lapbar. Literally! Entering the queueline you will follow a racetrack from Carrera, inclusive with black yellow striped barriers. Think Test Track, just walk on it. Leading around the ride you have enough time to see a lot of up and downs. After the ride you and sure a lot of (too) small children will enjoy taking a photo in a set with the remote controled car.
Got some idea? Ready for Toy Story? Maybe enjoy in some weeks already the changed Tram Tour that will sneak around this huge construction site. Instead of leaving straight towards Dinotopia, you make a big S-curved turn through parts of the forest. This is the backside of TOY STORY PLAYLAND; like this you get already some idea of the size of things.
You can bet the Army Men jeep and aeroplane will be the old Pearl Harbor set ones. :)
Wow, although the language barrier doesn't allow me to imagine that for 100%, I am really looking forward to this somehow :mrgreen:
I'm sure I'll like the Slinky Ride lol! But I still can't imagine how that RC Racer will look and be like - sounds scary with its 35 meters...
Really looking forward to seeing first steps of the Playland though :)!
Quote from: "Anthony"Besides just being a bit more realistic, anyone who's "ok" with Toy Story Playland also obviously realises that this is 2010 we're talking about. Next year. And that Euro Disney SCA did just spend the best part of 240 million euros on Tower of Terror just one year ago.
Well, I would rather they save the money until they are ready to put something more inspired in.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Anthony"Besides just being a bit more realistic, anyone who's "ok" with Toy Story Playland also obviously realises that this is 2010 we're talking about. Next year. And that Euro Disney SCA did just spend the best part of 240 million euros on Tower of Terror just one year ago.
Well, I would rather they save the money until they are ready to put something more inspired in.
Agreed. I'd rather wait an extra year or so for something that is true Disney quality.
just wait for the concept arts! the last couple of years have been the most successful in the history of dlrp, they have the money to build a brilliant expansion for the wds and the will!
on thing im wondering anyway, there havnt been balloon tests for these tall attractions, so how can they be assured of the locations of the attractions then :-k ?
Why would Disney wait another year to invest in some quality? Guest numbers through the door makes money.
They need something to bring the guests in and this area will do that (especially if they aren't planning a "celebration", I for one are contemplating a visit in 2010 to specifically visit this new area and many other will be.
I can see this kinda thing happening:
2010 - Toy Story Playland.
2011 - A "Quiet Year" - Plug this area some more and some new attraction (similar to this year).
2012 - 20th - Big E-Ticket (TOT scale).
They can't spend 100 million+ Euros every year.
Agreed they cannot build an e-ticket every year, that is why I am ok with additions less frequently. DLP is not a normal amusement park, and therefore they should not build normal amusement park rides.
FWIW, there were balloon tests last year
I also think that we need to remember that we potentially view things from a different angle to the average visitor to the parks. I agree that I would rather wait a little longer and get pure top level e ticket attractions. But in the big picture, I would imagine that a mixture as we are currently getting ensures a higher level of guest satisfaction and repeat visits. That said, I'm just glad we are getting attractions. Remember the period before buzz attraction when we went years without an attraction of note!
All I hope is, with regards to the Toy Story Playland, that it's done to the same quality/level as A Bug's Land at DCA. That area has some very cheap and nasty fairground rides in it, but the themeing is of a high enough quality to make up for it. You know what I mean?
That said, I still don't like the idea of this Half Pipe Coaster. It's a bad idea. That's the sort of thing you get at Butlins, not at a Disney park. How ever well they theme it, it will still be a short, boring, ugly coaster. They should scrap the idea before construction starts. Save the money for a restaurant instead :D
hey folks, on micechat i found some pics of the Constructions walls took place right next to the Tram Tour area behind Art of Disney Animation...
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"Tram Tour - behind the fences"
or
WDS proudly presents: Bob the builder Land II (after the big success of BTBL in 2006/07)
or
Disneyland Resort Paris
The Bibadiboubedi Bob the builder year.
:lol:
Anyone some ugly decorations for this events?
From WDSfans:
QuoteThere has been some buzz on message boards for quite some time about which ride manufacturer would construct the RC Racer attraction. Most rumours go between Zamperla's (Mega) Disk'o and Intamin's Halfpipe.
Well according to our sources will the manufacturer be... Zamperla! And in an unexpected spin to the story, the attraction would not be an off-the-shelf Disk'o or Mega Disk'o, but a custom design resembling an Intamin Half Pipe coaster.
So, basically it will be this but 3 times bigger:
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I was just wondering if the car would stop at the top of the two towers? By reading the description posted earlier on, it seemed like it would (which, I must admit, would be quite cool).
Still not looking forward to this though...
Its not often that Zamperla get asked for custom models!
Its a nice model but if they are taking the time to build a totally custom clone on the Intamin version it seems pointless.
The full Intamin Half Pipe is tried and tested whereas the Zamperla Disk-O is not tested as a Half Pipe coaster clone.
Don´t know. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? The Halfpipe Coaster looked really huge. But this Zamperla ride is something you will find in every little theme park in germany. Nothing really special. And again: It all depends on theme!
Quote from: "RnRCj"So, basically it will be this but 3 times bigger:
Probably more like this, structure-wise:
(//http://www.zamperla.it/immaginiFoto/megadisko40_6_400.jpg)
Why would it stop at the top? Do any Disk-O type rides do that?
Quote from: "Willow"Its a nice model but if they are taking the time to build a totally custom clone on the Intamin version it seems pointless. The full Intamin Half Pipe is tried and tested whereas the Zamperla Disk-O is not tested as a Half Pipe coaster clone.
True, but the bigger factor is probably that
Zamperla are tried and tested by Disney.
Toon Studio is going to be a little Zamperla-land after TSPL, but if Cars is the quality benchmark that's not such a bad thing. I'm rather optimistic hearing this.
If any other park opened a cheap Maurer-Schone spinner and a few Zamperla rides in the same area it would be no-where near the same quality of the Studios. It says a lot for the Imagineers.
I've never heard of any Disk-O's stopping at the top, its probably possible but it won't ass much to the experience.
The queues will be dreadful! I've waited 20 minutes on Flamingoland's Disk-O, dread to think want the queues will be at Disney.
Disk-os are not a great ride but I suppose it is plausible for the car to stop at the top as it is a powered attraction whereas the half pipe is be a launched coaster where it freefalls from the top of the structure.
Grandmath over at Disney Central Plaza says that the robot at the entrance to the land will be replaced by a giant 4m Buzz.
It just gets better doesn't it... :?
another entrance to something... i think wds needs some supervising of the park layout, i dont like the idea of having 1000 small lands in the park.... :?
a 4 metre high buzz sounds like a good thing to me, when are they going to release a press release about the construction.
Any news?
hey ya,
looks like they will begin soon with the work!
found on DCP...
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Actually work has already begun on the patch of grass behind AODA.
if i remember right as well this is part of the reason fro the re-route of STT
Yes of course, the Halfpipe coaster is going where the old Tram Road was. :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Kristof"Actually work has already begun on the patch of grass behind AODA.
Woohooo :D, finally another big project we can keep are eyes on with constrution photos and updates !
I'm looking forward to see how this project progresses! I love seeing the different stages of construction!
The best view of construction would be PanoraMagique with a good SLR Camera with a lens of 280+ the higher the better to get more definition of image I hope this helps.
Quote from: "phantom247"The best view of construction would be PanoraMagique with a good SLR Camera with a lens of 280+ the higher the better to get more definition of image I hope this helps.
I was just going to ask where we're going to get photos from, with no Flying Carpets nearby. Hmm... :lol:
This is very sad indeed :cry:
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"This is very sad indeed :cry:
Very sad. :( But there's nothing that can be done about it now - it's happening!
I must say though, after thinking about this, it's not actually the toons that bother me. The problem with the whole Toon Studio area is that there is no consistant theme. In Fantasyland, all the landscaping and architecture blend together so well. But in Toon Studio, we've got Sydney Harbour, then a few feet away we've got Route 66, then next year we'll have an overgrown garden with a load of plastic toys. :roll: It's just a load of completely different ideas compressed into one small area, and it ends up looking very messy. Toons are fine in the area - I mean, it's
Toon Studio! But when it's a load of carnival rides, based on Toy Story (which has already been used more than enough), and it doesn't blend in at all... it just ends up being one of the worst ideas in the history of Imagineering.
Why could they not just base Toon Studios on Roger Rabbit and get Gadget's Go Coaster for the younger kids?
And make Pixar Studios and put all the Pixar Rides together and the new Ratatouille ride could be there also with Toy Story Playland as a section of it?
LOOK AT THIS ALSO:
http://themparks.wordpress.com/2009/01/ ... eaked-out/ (http://themparks.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/toy-story-playland-description-leaked-out/)
Oh god :shock:
This doesn't sound like Disney :?
I'm really scared
Quote from: "RnRCj"Toons are fine in the area - I mean, it's Toon Studio!
Finally! Only about 6 months after the rest of us. :P
And it's in the nature of a movie studio park that themes clash - "you turn a corner and you could be anywhere...". Looking at DHS, some of its attractions are incredibly random. If they'd have built Disney-MGM Europe, it'd have been all over the place, no proper theme-specific lands like Hollywood and Toon Studio at all.
Personally I massively prefer the slightly random Toon Backlot area to the horribly dull original area of the land where everything matches. The very eclectic (ha, that old gem) themes of Toon Studio actually blend together quite well in my head. The three "backlot" attractions all have giant backdrops to join them, and if you look at the colour gradient in the backdrop of Flying Carpets, for example, it's yellow/red on the side of desert Cars and blue-purple on the side of underwater Crush.
Everything in that area seems justified to me.
I'm disappointed to hear they've bottled it and gone with a giant, dead-faced buzz rather than a more interesting robot for the entrance of TSPL, though. Seems like someone (I'd hazard a guess at management rather than Imagineering) decided the area needed the core characters, despite Buzz being heavily accounted for in Discoveryland.
Although I am fed up of the toons everywhere approach across Disney, what I hate more of here is the off the shelf carnival rides (even if modified). I am sorry, I can stay at home and ride carny rides. Also these kind of rides have slow loading times and poor capacity. This is bad on almost every level.
It's actually the "toon backlot" theme of Toon Studio that I don't like. I think having several rides within meters of each other with completely different themes looks very messy. It doesn't actually appear to have any order to it, even though technically it does.
I agree that the old Animation Courtyard looked extremely dull. But still, all the lands in Disneyland Park have consistant themes and none of them look dull. :wink: It must be possible somehow!
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "RnRCj"Toons are fine in the area - I mean, it's Toon Studio!
Finally! Only about 6 months after the rest of us. :P
Oh don't get me wrong - I still would have prefered something non-toon based anyday! :P There is an overuse of Toons - a few are good - but right now it seems like that's all Disney can produce! Also (as Dave said), the fact that TSPL is a made up of a few decorated carnival rides just makes me feel sick. :sick:
You might say that Dumbo and the Mad Hatter's Teacups are carnival rides too - and they obviously are! But the difference is that they have superb landscaping around them and blend into their areas extremely well. They're also not too big. :wink:
If I had it my way, TSPL would be cancelled completely and instead I'd have the rumoured Ratatouille attraction built in it's place. After that, Toon Studio would be complete, and there would be
no more toons in WDS! :mrgreen:
Quote from: "RnRCj"You might say that Dumbo and the Mad Hatter's Teacups are carnival rides too - and they obviously are! But the difference is that they have superb landscaping around them and blend into their areas extremely well. They're also not too big. :wink:
They've also already been built, so wait and see how well Toy Story Playland fits into its area. At least it'll be its own area - completely separate from the rest of Toon Studio. It'll hopefully feel a bit more immersive into a single theme even when you're not on the attractions.
Quote from: "RnRCj"If I had it my way, TSPL would be cancelled completely and instead I'd have the rumoured Ratatouille attraction built in it's place. After that, Toon Studio would be complete, and there would be no more toons in WDS! :mrgreen:
But Toon Studio is still reaaally small compared to Fantasyland - and don't forget they'd still like to add about 4 more attractions over there! Toon Studio only has 3 comparable rides at the moment. If it's going to eventually become a worthy partner, it needs more padding and a much bigger footprint.
Just a shame that a) they didn't pick higher capacity filler, b) they didn't give Euro Disney SCA a slap and say "YOU CAN'T HAVE A FULL-DAY PARK WITH ONLY THREE RESTAURANTS!" and c) Theatre District and any Backlot improvements have been postponed.
Oh, and d) There's still not any damn concept art!
The issue is in Fantasyland, there is a wonderful mix. 3 high quality dark rides, an e-ticket in IASW, lot's of theming, gardens, and 3 fun fair rides plus Storybookland with related rides. Then add in a maze, 5 shops, a table service, 2 counter service, an ice cream stand, and a few food carts - those three fun fair rides are no big deal.
But the Studios either has very cool adult attractions, theatre based attractions and fun fair rides. There are no AA's for anyone child sized, disabled or elderly. Capacity is key as the park does not have the emersive theming, so the attractions should be awesome. Personally I think if they added a themed play area and a highly themed table dining experience would be a much better use.
This is dumb, dumb, dumb. Not many people on the forum have experience Flik's Fun Fair or Dinoland, but this is likely to be similar or maybe worse.
I am seriously worried about the direction of travel. Hey, look at Cars - great ideas, but the fences they have put around the sets have seriously diminished the experience. What makes you think TSPL will be any better?
I say build TSPL and to complete Toon Studios build Ratatouille and Gadget's Go-Coaster or something like that :roll:
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"This is dumb, dumb, dumb. Not many people on the forum have experience Flik's Fun Fair or Dinoland, but this is likely to be similar or maybe worse.
Dinoland? I think you mean Chester & Hester's! When I experienced C&H, I thought it was was stupidly bad. I was walking around it thinking "how on earth did this even get past the ideas stage?". Currently, Primeval Whirl is the worst ride I've ever ridden at a Disney park. :roll:
TSPL seems as bad from what we've heard so far. We got a crappy half-pipe coaster and a crappy paratower. Both huge attractions that are unlikely to have superb theming that'll cover up their ugliness.
If the attractions were smaller and more family friendly; and if the area included a "real" restaurant - that would be a huge improvement.
Instead we've got huge in-your-face Toy Story stuff and carnival thrill rides. My nan always comes to Disney with us, and she won't be able to experience any of these rides because they're unsuitable for her. :(
And just out of interest - I asked both my mum and my nan what their top 3 favourite attractions at Disney were the other day.
Both of them said POTC, Phantom Manor, and IASW - no kidding! It can't be just coincidence that those are the 3 major immersive family attractions. :wink: These are the sort of rides we need more of - even if they're on a smaller scale.
Everyone has different tastes.
I prefer a thrill instead of the immersive rides so I am particularly looking forward to the Half-Pipe.
All studios parks are a class of themes, its in their nature.
2010 is going to be an epic year for Theme Park enthusiasts, Roll on 2010.
1 or 2 thrill rides are okay in my opinion, just to keep the thrill seekers happy. They are good if they have superb theming too.
But I think they should have stopped the thrill rides in the Studios after RnRC and ToT. This is a family park, not a Six Flags park.
It is a family park but it the Studios is more of a thrill park than Disneyland Park.
A lot of the attractions have a more adult theme compared with Disneyland rides.
Quote from: "Willow"Everyone has different tastes.
I prefer a thrill instead of the immersive rides so I am particularly looking forward to the Half-Pipe.
All studios parks are a class of themes, its in their nature.
2010 is going to be an epic year for Theme Park enthusiasts, Roll on 2010.
Then clearly you do not understand why Disneyland was created or it's history. Go to Alton Towers, Blackpool or Europa Park if you want thrills. That is NOT what Disney is about. Nor were the characters in the past. It was about theming.
Quote from: "Willow"It is a family park but it the Studios is more of a thrill park than Disneyland Park.
A lot of the attractions have a more adult theme compared with Disneyland rides.
And what do Thrill attractions have to do with Movies?
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Then clearly you do not understand why Disneyland was created or it's history. Go to Alton Towers, Blackpool or Europa Park if you want thrills. That is NOT what Disney is about. Nor were the characters in the past. It was about theming.
Well said Davewasbaloo,Disney is or was all about the theming and immersive experiences this is what makes it stand out from everywhere else !
Space Mountain is a thrill ride but has a theme.
Tower of Terror is a thrill ride but has a theme.
Big Thunder Mountain is a family-thrill ride but has a theme.
Expedition Everest is a family-thrill ride but has a theme.
Unless of course they are all terribley un-Disney rides.....
But the theme is actually more important than the thrill in most of those cases. There are more thrilling rides at other parks.
A signature Disney attraction is greatly themed and is family friendly.
The modern Theme Park needs both thrilling attractions and family attractions to compete against other parks.
For example Merlin have 3 parks in the UK:
Chessington : Kids.
Alton Towers: Family.
Thorpe Park: Thrill.
The perfect mix to cover all demographics, the thing Disney needs to do in 2 parks.
Well they said before Disneyland opened in 1955 that a park without a coaster and ferris wheel would close within a year. Well it took 11 years for DL to get a coaster, and when they did it was a Matterhorn mountain.
Quote from: "Willow"The modern Theme Park needs both thrilling attractions and family attractions to compete against other parks.
For example Merlin have 3 parks in the UK:
Chessington : Kids.
Alton Towers: Family.
Thorpe Park: Thrill.
The perfect mix to cover all demographics, the thing Disney needs to do in 2 parks.
Hmmmm, I have not bothered with Chessington for about 10 years (maybe longer), same with AT and Thorpe Park despite living 90 minutes from all three parks. In the same time we have been to DLP 34 times, Disneyland (Seaworld, Universal Studios, Knott's Berry Farm and Legoland San Diego) twice, and WDW (as well as Sea World and Universal) twice.
I like theme parks, not amusement parks.
I also like Theme Parks and Alton Towers, and Chessington are Theme Parks.
They may not have the budget of the big American parks but they theme as best they can. Most UK parks do.
Im looking forward to TSPL as i think the studios needs it, I love my coasters and am looking forward to this one,not to sure on the other 2 rides, but I would be distraught if it were in fantasyland, thats where beauty and the beast and the little mermaid need to be. I just really want to see the art work for this.
QuoteI just really want to see the art work for this.
me too, i thought the first art work would be presented at the shareholders meeting on february 11th?
anyway, they have definetly thought about this project and with the ratatouille ride in mind the will have made up something great, we just cant imagine how, but i believe it.
someone here in the forum said a while a ago, 'theres someone at imagineering who really loves the studios' and i doubt he's already gone :)
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"This is very sad indeed :cry:
Very sad. :( But there's nothing that can be done about it now - it's happening!
The problem with the whole Toon Studio area is that there is no consistant theme.... it just ends up being one of the worst ideas in the history of Imagineering.
Imagineering Legend John Hench once said:
"When we create a new place, we first think about WHO lives there. After that, we think about the props, the material and the themeing."
Hmmm - I don´t think that anyone at Imagineering thought about this old WDI-Rule when they developed TSPL :|
I think the thrill of the "halfpipe" is being overestimated a bit, isn't it? This is hardly Nemesis. And to compare this area to Chester & Hester at Animal Kingdom is just plain stupid. You really think 2010 is about to bring a horrible early-2000s ride like Primeval Whirl to WDS, all garish carnival themeing and bare steel?
Quote from: "Whoknew?"anyway, they have definetly thought about this project and with the ratatouille ride in mind the will have made up something great, we just cant imagine how, but i believe it.
Phew! I just hope they get the money to do it all. To be honest I'm surprised even this is still going ahead... presuming they won't just prepare the land and then leave it.
Quote from: "Anthony"I think the thrill of the "halfpipe" is being overestimated a bit, isn't it? This is hardly Nemesis. And to compare this area to Chester & Hester at Animal Kingdom is just plain stupid. You really think 2010 is about to bring a horrible early-2000s ride like Primeval Whirl to WDS, all garish carnival themeing and bare steel?
Well, it probably won't be quite that bad. But it won't help the park in the long run, expanding on the alphabet soup that is Toon Studio. This would have been the time to go back to square 1 and really think about the future of the park in that old-fashioned Imagineering way, involving back-stories and thematic transitions and whatnot. The Toy Story Playland area will after all border on Hollywood Boulevard, effectively worsening two lands at once. Oh, and maybe Frontierland as well.
I'm sure the Imagineers will do their best to make this thing work, as they did with Crush and Cars, but it's hardly ideal.
Quote from: "Anthony"I think the thrill of the "halfpipe" is being overestimated a bit, isn't it? This is hardly Nemesis.
A half-pipe is a quite a thrilling ride - too thrilling for Disney in my opinion. TSPL should at least be made suitable for families.
Quote from: "Anthony"And to compare this area to Chester & Hester at Animal Kingdom is just plain stupid. You really think 2010 is about to bring a horrible early-2000s ride like Primeval Whirl to WDS, all garish carnival themeing and bare steel?
Bare steel - probably. I doubt they would create theming 35m high to cover up the steel.
As pussinboots said, this land will be inches away from Hollywood Boulevard - an area that is highly themed and hasn't been toonified. Seeing a roller coaster tower above isn't going to look very good. :wink:
I promise I will apologise for all this ranting if...
- the land ends up fitting the theme of Toon Studio perfectly
- the land doesn't have in-your-face Toy Story all over it
- the rides don't stand out too much
- the rides don't look like cheap tacky carnival rides
- the land blends in with it's surroundings
...but I doubt most of those thing will happen. :P :wink:
The first concept art has leaked online:
http://www.newsdlrp.com/dlrp-262-toy-story-play-land-concept-revealed.html (//http://as7.dsi.go.com/is/image/DisneyShopping/99636?$full$)
It actually looks a lot better than I thought it would, very colourful, vibrant and well themed; just what the Studios needs. The rides don't look that bad either, I like how they've designed them to fit into the area :) I love the logo on the Slinky dog ride too :P
Oh wow, that looks great! Thanks for the link.
Just one thing though.
April Fools finishes at 12! :lol:
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Oh wow, that looks great! Thanks for the link.
Just one thing though.
April Fools finishes at 12! :lol:
Na-ah; April Fools
DAY :lol:
I had to do that, I'd been planning for about a week; of course it's no where near as good as some others attempts (yes, I'm talking about you Kristof) :wink:
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Oh wow, that looks great! Thanks for the link.
Just one thing though.
April Fools finishes at 12! :lol:
Na-ah; April Fools DAY :lol:
I had to do that, I'd been planning for about a week; of course it's no where near as good as some others attempts (yes, I'm talking about you Kristof) :wink:
April fools day... and the fact finishes at 12 Noon... always has always will do, its common Knowledge... and actually some sort of Tradition
After 12... The Fool is that who attempts the joke/prank...
so... Taking Inspiration from an Icon...
TBB...
I pity the foolIf I ever catch you acting like a crazy fool again, you're gonna meet my friend pain!(also I do believe notification needs to finalized before Midday too... Hmm... RNRC Development needs to be updated if its "true")
Quote from: "Captain Pan"Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Oh wow, that looks great! Thanks for the link.
Just one thing though.
April Fools finishes at 12! :lol:
Na-ah; April Fools DAY :lol:
I had to do that, I'd been planning for about a week; of course it's no where near as good as some others attempts (yes, I'm talking about you Kristof) :wink:
April fools day... and the fact finishes at 12 Noon... always has always will do, its common Knowledge... and actually some sort of Tradition
After 12... The Fool is that who attempts the joke/prank...
so... Taking Inspiration from an Icon...
TBB... I pity the fool
If I ever catch you acting like a crazy fool again, you're gonna meet my friend pain!
(also I do believe notification needs to finalized before Midday too... Hmm... RNRC Development needs to be updated if its "true")
Ah well, I'll take that title with pride, coz lets be honest; I am :roll: :wink:
I just stumbled across this site, where a member says that TSPL will include a childrens's playground too:
//http://60671.aceboard.fr/60671-2836-18089-0-nouvelles-attractions.htm
I think they also say that the halfpipe coaster will stop at the top (unless the translation is wrong).
I love the extremely fake-looking picture! :roll:
Its been mentioned here, a few weeks back, that it could stop at the top.
The rumour of the land containing a playground could just be a translation issue/a guess. Playland/Playground, fairly similar.
Quote from: "Willow"Its been mentioned here, a few weeks back, that it could stop at the top.
The rumour of the land containing a playground could just be a translation issue/a guess. Playland/Playground, fairly similar.
The article says there will be a small playground for small children added to it. Could be true, but the plan I've been shown did not have a play ground.
I think this could be good for WDS. Of course after it's recent redo with the addition of Toon studio so many people flock to the studios to ride Cruhs's coaster just look at the constant huge que line. If this is advertised well more people will come and help Dlrp.
From WDSFans:
QuoteTwo halfpipe attractions in Toy Story Playland?
Disney Central Plaza member "Magnyseb" says he got access to a plan for Toy Story Playland.
According to him, not one, but two identical "Halfpipe attractions" will be constructed near the WDS forest. He continues that the ride vehicles will not be themed to RC Racer himself, but rather generic remote control toys with RC Racer positioned next to the attraction, similar to Cars Quatre Roues Rallye in which guests ride vehicles inspired by designs from the Cars universe.
He concludes that a small playground for the little ones would be added to the Toon Studio expansion as well.
This'll cause some controversy won't it :wink:
I actually like the idea of this, I know some people will not be happy to hear that there will be two of them, but I like the idea that it could be like a race; it adds something more to the ride and the story, whilst doubling the capacity. Everybody wins :)
A playground would be excellent as well, something that is really needed in the Studios.
I can't wait to see this project develop, I just want to see some concept art online :P
Capacity will be doubled, which is very much needed. Queues will no longer be 2 days long.
I think its a good idea, both tracks can be linked to operate alongside each other and therefore one can go higher than the other, giving the idea of a race more realism.
The on the next cycle the other car could go higher.
This could be why Disney went for Zamperla instead of the more likely Intamin. Zamperla may have been more open for developing the software for the 2 Half-Pipes.
Very good decision, maybe they have learnt their lesson after Crush?
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"From WDSFans:
QuoteTwo halfpipe attractions in Toy Story Playland?
Disney Central Plaza member "Magnyseb" says he got access to a plan for Toy Story Playland.
According to him, not one, but two identical "Halfpipe attractions" will be constructed near the WDS forest. He continues that the ride vehicles will not be themed to RC Racer himself, but rather generic remote control toys with RC Racer positioned next to the attraction, similar to Cars Quatre Roues Rallye in which guests ride vehicles inspired by designs from the Cars universe.
He concludes that a small playground for the little ones would be added to the Toon Studio expansion as well.
This'll cause some controversy won't it :wink:
I actually like the idea of this, I know some people will not be happy to hear that there will be two of them, but I like the idea that it could be like a race; it adds something more to the ride and the story :)
A playground would be excellent as well, something that is really needed in the Studios.
I can't wait to see this project develop, I just want to see some concept art online :P
I am so curious as to why there has been no concept art released/leaked yet? I'm desperate to see some!
Well it's nice to see they realised there was going to be some capacity problems! Two halfpipes will be fine IF they look good. A playground could be quite cool too, we just need to see some concept art!
Does anyone know if the giant Buzz will still be appaearing? Because that'd look stupid. That's one of the main things I'm worried about - giant characters being dumped everywhere. I think they should have gone for a generic overgrown garden theme (called something like "Gardens of Adventure"), and then maybe put one or two small Toy Story attractions in.
It just looks really cheap and easy if the land is made up of giant carnival rides and is themed completely to Toy Story.
Quote from: "RnRCj"I think they should have gone for a generic overgrown garden theme (called something like "Gardens of Adventure")
In a movie studio? I'm glad to have come here and not found some extended RnRCj post about two halfpipes is the most horrible thing to ever happen though. :P
Because actually, two together would not only solve the ridiculous capacity issue (as far as I know, the vehicle would have held 16 people! 16 per cycle! 16!!!??) but it would also make the attraction feel a bit more substantial and thought-out. Same way that they put two Destruction Derbys together for Cars. Zamperla produce really good stuff for Disney too.
I'm not sure how they'd load/unload two right next to each other though.
I'll get some photos and video online later from the construction site, including a ride on the NEW! NOT IMPROVED! Studio Tram Tour: Way Behind the Magic. The sooner they start building something visible here (or even better: theme the fences a la DCA) to show people what's going on, the better.
And good news: You can see
right into the construction site from the Flying Carpets viewing platform! :wink:
QuoteAnd good news: You can see right into the construction site from the Flying Carpets viewing platform! :wink:
Oh good! I thought this was going to be the most boring construction ever at DLRP. :lol:
Hourly Capacity for one is 800 pph. So two would mean 1600 pph, a good total. (Based on them getting the larger model) Its definitely a Disk-O model isn't it?
The queue could branch off at the end of each ride. A CM can then send people round to either side of the ride to board. This diagram should explain it better.
Green is the Rides.
Blue is the Cast Member.
Grey is the queue/standby line.
Red is the exit.
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Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "RnRCj"I think they should have gone for a generic overgrown garden theme (called something like "Gardens of Adventure")
In a movie studio?
Yes! It could be an overgrown garden set! :mrgreen: The story could be that the Toy Story characters have come to the set to film a new scene! It would be much better than a load of in-your-face Toy Story stuff. I mean, let's face it - when you're walking through Toon Studio; Crush's Coaster is like a big advertisement for Finding Nemo; Cars is like a big advertisement for Cars; and TSPL will most likely be like a giant advertisement for Toy Story.
But when you walk through Fantasyland, you don't feel like you're being looked down on by a load of giant move advertisements. Fantasyland actually has lots of nice non-character based theming too - even on the exteriors of character based attractions (Peter Pan, Snow White, Pinocchio). The characters in Fantasyland actually seem as if they naturally reside in the area, instead of the area being specifically built for them.
Confusing? :wink:
Quote from: "Anthony"I'm glad to have come here and not found some extended RnRCj post about two halfpipes is the most horrible thing to ever happen though. :P
I can't wait until the first concept art is released. :P I'll try and limit myself to 2 or 3 pargagraphs per post!
I don't know about the half pipe coaster. If it's Toy Story land can't they put Toy Story Midway Mania in! A high capacity ride for all the family
Not on the budget it seems they have for Toy Story Playland, no. After the twin hit of the mass-expense ToT, and the current state of the economy, I can't imagine the figures are too high for this.
Any one know the cost of the planned area? I'm just thinking, with the R & D done on toy story mania, and it potentially going into Disney Sea, coupled with the exchange rate, the proposed toy story attractions can't be much cheaper?? They are even launching toy story mania on the wii
I'd guess around 15 million euros? (possible big over-estimation)
The rides will be very cheap, they are only all cheap flat rides which practically every small park in the world has. (Less than 5 million?) Most of the money will go on theming.
Toy Story Midway would almost certainly be more. The studios needs more rides so TSPL will get 3 rides compared with only one for Midway Mania.
Quote from: "charlied"I don't know about the half pipe coaster. If it's Toy Story land can't they put Toy Story Midway Mania in! A high capacity ride for all the family
No, Ratatouille is going in/near Toy Story Playland.
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "charlied"I don't know about the half pipe coaster. If it's Toy Story land can't they put Toy Story Midway Mania in! A high capacity ride for all the family
No, Ratatouille is going in/near Toy Story Playland.
So instead of Hidden Mickey there is a Hidden Woody or Hidden Buzz in the attraction if it is going in TSPL, Just trying to get it on topic.
:D/
It's now "half official"
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Photo Kalico Disney Central Plaza
I'd perfer Toy Story Mania for this but I am 70% not sure about this new land.
I wish they had built something fun on the grounds... perhaps a Sci-Fi City or something else that is themed after movies.
I´m very sure this will end up looking cheap and being just for the youngest.
OK, is this definitely happening. Because it's April and for it to be ready for 2010 season that under a year now. Has construction started? And will it be a similar land to A Bug's Land (ie. it's own land with Toy Story rides in it) or will it just be an extension of Toon Studios like the Toon Backlot was?
They really shouldn't be building original attractions in Paris. I mean, it's hugely risky isn't it? What if they spend 50 million Euros on a new ride, or area, and it turns out to be a huge flop? It's not such a big deal at Walt Disney World if they mess up, and build a turkey. But Disneyland Paris has limited money to spend, so they should spend it on guaranteed hits.
Toy Story Playland could just be a huge waste of money. Money they could've spent on, or at least put towards, Soarin' or Mickey's PhilharMagic or even Toy Story Mania.
That's not to say I'm against original concepts in the parks; Crush's Coaster is amazing. But they need to be careful.
Quote from: "Alan"They really shouldn't be building original attractions in Paris. I mean, it's hugely risky isn't it? What if they spend 50 million Euros on a new ride, or area, and it turns out to be a huge flop? It's not such a big deal at Walt Disney World if they mess up, and build a turkey. But Disneyland Paris has limited money to spend, so they should spend it on guaranteed hits.
Toy Story Playland could just be a huge waste of money. Money they could've spent on, or at least put towards, Soarin' or Mickey's PhilharMagic or even Toy Story Mania.
That's not to say I'm against original concepts in the parks; Crush's Coaster is amazing. But they need to be careful.
Have to disagree with you, so if what i think your saying is correct there shouldn't be any Phantom Manor, Main Street arcades, Cinemagique, Moteurs... Action! Stunt Show Spectacular, Crush, Cars, Animagique, Panora Magique etc etc etc? ;) See what i mean? If DL[strike:2zbdshcw]R[/strike:2zbdshcw]P didn't take risks it'd would just be an American clone.
I completely agree with Breeno that the originality is what makes parts of our parks so great and unique and why I really love it.
However, I agree with you that they have to be careful, but eventhough I have my doubts about Toy Story Playland I am sure that they somehow achieves to surprise us once more.
You're right, if Disney didn't take risks in Paris, there'd be nothing unique or original there.
That said, I still think they should be careful with the new attractions they add, for now. Any money they have available should go into guaranteed hit attractions; classic Disney attractions, worthy of the Disney name.
Toy Story Playland, to me, sounds like a garish mistake; a retrograde step. People don't pay £40 to visit a park with cheap, carnival rides they can find at any travelling fair.
Quote from: "Alan"Toy Story Playland, to me, sounds like a garish mistake; a retrograde step. People don't pay £40 to visit a park with cheap, carnival rides they can find at any travelling fair.
Indeed. Toon Studio is already messed up, Toy Story Playland will just make it worse. The land tells no story, unlike all the lands in Disneyland Park. It's just random toon-based attractions. I mean, take Crush's Coaster - how does it fit with the Studios theme at all? :|
I think the reason we all liked Toon Studio when it was first announced was because any new additions to the park seemed good at that time. The long-term effects of the land aren't good though.
Just read this on WDSfans:
Quote from: "WDSfans"Blue Sky Disney, a popular blog about Disney Parks world wide, hints that Toy Story Mania will be constructed at every Disney resort in the world.
The attraction currently exists at Walt Disney World and Disneyland Resort in California and is under construction soon at Tokyo Disney Resort.
The fan blog claims that Jay Rasulo, head of Disney Parks, wants a Toy Story Mania at all the resorts, including Disneyland Paris.
Will this attraction replace the envisioned Ratatouille dark ride that's supposed to be build adjacent to Toy Story Playland?
Prooves that Disney management (or at least this Jay Rasulo guy) don't give a monkey's backside about storytelling. I really wish the management would give the Imagineers a chance to create something special like they used to.
Instead: "create a cheap attraction based on a popular Disney movie - doesn't matter about theme, as long as we make money from it".
:(
Slightly off topic but...
Since when has Jay Rasulo known what is good for Disney Parks? He knows business, not Theme Parks.
QuoteSince when has Jay Rasulo known what is good for Disney Parks? He knows business, not Theme Parks.
hmm good question, i think not every guy who works for disney as an ceo or whatever
know what is good. look at lasseter i don´t think he is the right person to be a disney
imagineer, he knows how to make good pixar movies but not more.
also philipp gas is not good for our beloved disney park i think he sux at the moment,
maybe it will turn out good at the end but i don´t think so, i don´t like him at all.
whatever i think it would be better to scrap the halfpipe coaster and the towers
and take toystory mania and the third fairground ride.
you know gus they can do so much with toon studios, give it the look
of the pixar studios in cali. and make the story like pixar presents they´re
movies as attractions or something like that but this is more for the imagineering board!
Quote from: "RnRCj"Indeed. Toon Studio is already messed up, Toy Story Playland will just make it worse. The land tells no story, unlike all the lands in Disneyland Park. It's just random toon-based attractions.
I mean, take Crush's Coaster - how does it fit with the Studios theme at all? :|
About as much as Toy Story Midway Mania at Disney's Hollywood Studios?
For the millionth time, you're crazy if you think WDS could/should ever be wrapped up in a coherent story as much, say, Frontierland is. The entire point of a studio park is that it's a collection of very different "scenes". If anything, the original Disney-MGM Europe plans had the park being even more messed up, with no lands whatsoever.
This isn't, never will and shouldn't be Tokyo Disney Sea. Leave that for the park next door.
Quote from: "Anthony"For the millionth time, you're crazy if you think WDS could/should ever be wrapped up in a coherent story as much, say, Frontierland is. The entire point of a studio park is that it's a collection of very different "scenes". If anything, the original Disney-MGM Europe plans had the park being even more messed up, with no lands whatsoever.
This isn't, never will and shouldn't be Tokyo Disney Sea. Leave that for the park next door.
I couldnt agree with you more. It is great reflection on what a REAL studios is like. Stuff lying around everywhere.
QuoteFor the millionth time, you're crazy if you think WDS could/should ever be wrapped up in a coherent story as much, say, Frontierland is. The entire point of a studio park is that it's a collection of very different "scenes".
Well, if the point of this park was to have a collection of different "scenes", why do we have themed lands? If the Studios was supposed to be collection of randomly themed attractions it wouldn't have lands at all. But the fact that is does have themed lands means that they should have a story! What's the point otherwise? :wink:
QuoteThis isn't, never will and shouldn't be Tokyo Disney Sea. Leave that for the park next door.
I don't expect it to be TDS. But I do expect it to make sense. When I walk into a land that seems like it will have a story and then don't get one, I leave confused.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "RnRCj"Indeed. Toon Studio is already messed up, Toy Story Playland will just make it worse. The land tells no story, unlike all the lands in Disneyland Park. It's just random toon-based attractions.
I mean, take Crush's Coaster - how does it fit with the Studios theme at all? :|
About as much as Toy Story Midway Mania at Disney's Hollywood Studios?
For the millionth time, you're crazy if you think WDS could/should ever be wrapped up in a coherent story as much, say, Frontierland is. The entire point of a studio park is that it's a collection of very different "scenes". If anything, the original Disney-MGM Europe plans had the park being even more messed up, with no lands whatsoever.
This isn't, never will and shouldn't be Tokyo Disney Sea. Leave that for the park next door.
I respect your views, but I will have to disagree with that one.
In my megalomaniacal and narrow-minded little view, the only sensible raison-d'etre for a studio park in that random fashion is to actually have a working studio.
With that gone at both parks, they have two options:
1. Spend the rest of eternity boring people with fake behind-the-scenes attractions, showing the duct tape backside of every prop and tacking awful puns at the end of everything (movie-tacular cinemagical star-burgers, Award Weiners — best weiner in a supporting roll, etc.), and create veritable tossed salads of character-based rides;
2. Become Disneyland. Disneyland with a Hollywood angle. Which is what they've started to do already (since the original Tower of Terror, really), and so is Disney's California Adventure.
Unless they embrace that last one, the place will remain Suckyville.
It's not only random and there's no theme land!
I work in WDS; the concept of all park is one only theme: CINEMA
If u check the name of the land are only some cinema stuff! I mean: what do u expect from a land called front lot :S all the "FRONT" attraction? :P
I think that u can consider the lands like all cinema's sector: toon, movie, tv, special effect, action
And that's all! :)
Quote from: "loverjack"It's not only random and there's no theme land!
I work in WDS; the concept of all park is one only theme: CINEMA
If u check the name of the land are only some cinema stuff! I mean: what do u expect from a land called front lot :S all the "FRONT" attraction? :P
I think that u can consider the lands like all cinema's sector: toon, movie, tv, special effect, action
And that's all! :)
Well yes... And those names have about as much relevance as if one were to divide New York into themed lands 200 years after they were conceived. Moneyland, Snobland, Leisureland, Artland...
Walt Disney took a HUGE risk when building the original Disneyland. I think that what Paris need is a BIG thrill type of ride and a show like Fantasmic but better since it will be newer...
If they build something grand and great people will like it soon or later. A great ride will always be great. Playland is just an easy way of filling empty space and wasting money that could be much better spent.
QuoteWalt Disney took a HUGE risk when building the original Disneyland. I think that what Paris need is a BIG thrill type of ride and a show like Fantasmic but better since it will be newer...
If they build something grand and great people will like it soon or later. A great ride will always be great. Playland is just an easy way of filling empty space and wasting money that could be much better spent.
i completely argee with you, the money could be spend otherwise. maybe
the world of color show and an expansion of the hollywood blvd. or the theater
district. DCA will take out they´re prachure drop towers and WDS will but some in,
thats such a bad idea.. i think it would be better if they take Toystory Mania and the
musik express attraction into the studios. we don´t need 3-4 toystory attractions in one park...
but we have to wait and see what they will do, maybe it will turn out great. at the
moment nothing is officially, maybe they don´t build something new and just make
mickey´s magical party vol. 2 next year :P
Don't speak too soon there.
Finally! A confirmation of something under way for 2010! In an interview with (I'm guessing) a business magazine, Philippe Gas stated:
QuoteÇa veut dire quoi, ça veut dire que pour l'instant vous mettez entre parenthèses de nouvelles attractions à venir ?
Non, pas sur les investissements en termes d'attractions et de produits. Le contenu créatif, c'est aussi le nerf de la guerre pour Disney, donc on continue à travailler dessus. On a lancé au 1er avril toute une célébration, «la fête magique de Mickey», on a une nouvelle attraction, on a déjà un plan, et on travaille sur le développement pour 2010 d'une nouvelle attraction, donc ça continue. On va continuer à développer. En revanche, ce sont d'autres projets, on peut parler par exemple de projets de développement informatique, un contrôle attentif sur les dépenses liées aux consultants, on a fait aussi des études sur le sourcing et les achats. Ce sont d'autres sources que l'on regarde mais ce ne sont pas les effectifs, et ce ne sont pas les investissements dans le produit.
Source (//http://www.dlrptimes.com/article-30979313.html)
So basically... "we've already got a plan and we're working on the development of a new attraction for 2010."
oh wow it sounds like 1 new attraction, so it can´t be toy story mania the time is
to short (to bad :( )..
i hope we will get some mor information very soon, i hate to wait if i want to
know something :lol:
It could be a translation issue.
Mr Gas may just be classing it as 'one' attraction due to the scale of the investment. The attraction is Toy Story Playland.
QuoteIt could be a translation issue.
Mr Gas may just be classing it as 'one' attraction due to the scale of the investment. The attraction is Toy Story Playland.
yeah i think youve right. hmm better they don´t mess it up :P
i´m happy for every expansion right now, this gives me more input to
go again. but if i see what happen with the Mickey´s Fun Wheel quee at DCA
i´m really concerned about if they would spend now less money and we get
ugly and bad themed stuff...
Has anything actually happened on the TSPL site yet? Surely there are at least few diggers and piles of dirt by now. :lol:
I'm surprised it has't been announced officially yet. It's only a year to go now. Wasn't Toon Studio announced at least a year and a half before it opened?
I am actually *trying* to be optimistic about this. It's really damn hard, verging on impossible, but... I am trying! If it wasn't carnival rides I'd be a lot happier.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Has anything actually happened on the TSPL site yet? Surely there are at least few diggers and piles of dirt by now. :lol:
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That's from the start of April I think :wink:
Ah, well there's the digger! What about the dirt? :P
Something that might be of interest - I just noticed that the STT is closed from the 11th to 22nd of this month. Could something possibly be happening then? It would be the perfect time to move a few things onto the site.
Well with proof from that pic I think the title of this topic should be with (rumour) ;)
I also had the change to take some pictures of the site.
Greetings Marco
Thanks for the pics 4marco, and welcome to the forum. Those photos make the site look huge! :)
Nice to see work being done :)
But i cant help but think of what those barriers in the background remind me off
Hmmmm....
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Themeing already ? :P
agreed :D
Thanks 4marco! It's going to be hard to get good overview photos of this unless we don't mind getting funny looks trying to hold cameras over the walls. Any freakishly tall forum members? :)
Quote from: "RnRCj"Something that might be of interest - I just noticed that the STT is closed from the 11th to 22nd of this month. Could something possibly be happening then? It would be the perfect time to move a few things onto the site.
Probably not related... to get to the TSPL site can't they just go round the back of the forest and along the back of the costuming building? I've been assuming the plan of a dark ride to follow this means they'll be able to build TSPL using that access and then retreat and get started on the dark ride in the area next to Costuming (fingers crossed).
Ratatouille Anthony? :lol:
here is something i was reading at micechat. does anyone know anything more about it?
QuoteOn a Radio Interview the Euro Disney SAS CEO has announced new attractions for next year . i'm pretty sure that they will announce it in October or end of Fiscal year . He also said that they re actually working on DLP's 20th .
Quote from: "lil-shawn"here is something i was reading at micechat. does anyone know anything more about it?
QuoteOn a Radio Interview the Euro Disney SAS CEO has announced new attractions for next year . i'm pretty sure that they will announce it in October or end of Fiscal year . He also said that they re actually working on DLP's 20th .
He said something like: "we're already working on a new attraction for 2010". That's it. :)
Double post....
Posted this article this evening on WDSfans:
Quote from: "WDSfans"Dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf" ran an article today about John Lasseter's Toy Story Playland announcement:
Disneyland Paris will be getting a new attraction based on the movie Toy Story. That's what John Lasseter, head of Disney's Animation Studios, told at the film festival in Cannes. The festival opens with 'Up', the new movie from the producers Pixar and Disney.
'The park will be getting a separate area in which the Toy Story characters will be coming alive', told Lasseter. The new attraction will open in summer of 2010, simultaneously with the release of the third part of the Toy-Story-movies.
Disneyland Paris currently already has an attraction with Buzz Lightyear, one of the characters of the Toy Story-movies.
Many thanks to WDSfans reader "Brian" for sending in the translated article.
Source (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/news.php#newsitemEkukkFlplFBwcyabJR)
Thanks for that Kristof :)
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "WDSfans"The new attraction will open in summer of 2010, simultaneously with the release of the third part of the Toy-Story-movies.
Well if its being released simultaneously with the third film, then it'll opening around the 18th of June 2010:
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It sounds a bit like John Lassetter could be involved in the project.
If true, the small fears that I have had for the project have gone.
The man is a genius and he adds so much to Pixar and the Walt Disney Company.
Being both the man behind the films themselves and Chief Creative at WDI, I'd hope he would be involved!
So wow, and we thought Tower of Terror coming to WDS would be the worst DLRP secret ever? It continues to confuse me why Euro Disney SCA haven't run any press releases about this. The MMP launch is over. Any announcement can only be positive for the resort, a sign that it is still expanding despite the financial crisis.
the new 2010 brochure will be out in a week or 2, i wonder if there will be anything in it regarding TSPL
Quote from: "smurfy74"the new 2010 brochure will be out in a week or 2, i wonder if there will be anything in it regarding TSPL
Yea hoping there will be something!!
It'll be the Autumn/Winter 2009/10 brochure, so there won't be anything Toy Story Playland in there.
Just looking back at Cars, the hole for foundations only appeared mid July 2006, so TSPL still has plenty of time really.
Quote from: "Anthony"So wow, and we thought Tower of Terror coming to WDS would be the worst DLRP secret ever? It continues to confuse me why Euro Disney SCA haven't run any press releases about this. The MMP launch is over. Any announcement can only be positive for the resort, a sign that it is still expanding despite the financial crisis.
Actually, it makes some sense to not announce new attractions years in advance: as DLP relies a lot on guests that travel a longer distance - which requires more of planning and effort than local visitors have to go through - Disney probably doesn't want to risk that these guests think "Should I go to Disneyland this year or maybe next year as I just read they are opening something new then?".
I recently caught myself thinking that regarding a future trip to California. Originally, I wanted to in 2010 - but now I'm thinking: "Why bother? I want to visit Disneyland on that trip. And they are opening a lot of fun stuff in 2012 - so let's postpone this vacation!"
I know, and we've talked about this before, but from what we've heard recently new attractions like this apparently don't have much immediate influence on the average joe at all. For marketing and press these days, it's all about theme years and limited-time offers. And I've thought the same about California, but how many "normal" people know as much as us?
What I meant was that you'd expect Euro Disney SCA to have announced something, not the Press department. They announced Tower of Terror in the January 2005 financial report. Tokyo has four attractions stacked up and announced by OLC. Is this project still not finalised enough?
The newsdlrp blog is promising to post plans from the land online tonight. Let's see what they've got...
Quote from: "Anthony"The newsdlrp blog is promising to post plans from the land online tonight. Let's see what they've got...
I'm actually excited. :shock:
...but I'm sure I'll still [strike:33pz54yy]moan[/strike:33pz54yy] give some constructive critisism once the plans are released! :mrgreen:
Here they are:
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Looks just like I expected it to be.... just plain carnival rides connected by some paths... disappointing.
QuoteLooks just like I expected it to be.... just plain carnival rides connected by some paths... disappointing.
i argee with you...
don´t understand why disney is take out the pracure drop in DCA and now put one into our WDS, also its not smart to put the halfpipe coaster in, i was thinking they will learn from crush coaster and now they put in 3 low capacity attractions.
its just wrong in my eyes, maybe they change the whole concept befor they begin to build it.
Well first of all, the halfpipes appear to have bare supports - I really hope those will be hidden by theming that isn't shown on the plan. Also, I thought the queue lines seem a little short for the fairly low capacity of the attractions. And I'm guessing the empty area in the the top right will be the playground?
But one good thing - it seems the land will have some sort of elevation change because of the little steps shown on the plan. Now someone needs to edit this onto a bird's eye picture of the park! :lol:
I don't know what I should think about these attractions. I will make any judgements when this part of the park is ready.
I do understand Disney why they are building these rides. Except Aladdin there are really no rides for children. Disney is known for family entertainment and WDS is not a park for the whole family.
I'm a big fan of the Toy Story movies, maybe I will like Toy Story Playland.
So phew, plans at least are finally out there. And actually, they've been tweaked quite a bit. Hurrah for the bit that looks like a children's play area and the second halfpipe!
Quote from: "Remco K."Looks just like I expected it to be.... just plain carnival rides connected by some paths... disappointing.
Yes, rides and paths. These are building plans, that's all they need to show.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"don´t understand why disney is take out the pracure drop in DCA and now put one into our WDS
It isn't entirely clear yet, but there will be (at least) 3 seats on each gondola of this custom version (still not great, I know). They also appear to be facing inward, to avoid bad views over backstage areas.
The circular ride looks like a roulette wheel... :lol:
QuoteIt isn't entirely clear yet, but there will be (at least) 3 seats on each gondola of this custom version (still not great, I know). They also appear to be facing inward, to avoid bad views over backstage areas.
The circular ride looks like a roulette wheel...
hmm facing inward, very interesting, so then i hope they will bring up a high theme for the steel support. and 3 seats are not that much.
i really don´t have that much problem with this attraction but i think its on the wrong place, if they take it into the forest it would be better, and i t would be more hidden.
maybe it will really look great with the themening i still have hopes, right now i cant imagine how all will look...
Quote from: "Anthony"Yes, rides and paths. These are building plans, that's all they need to show.
That's all it's gonna be...
Sure, these plans still miss the theming. But even when themed, it will still be 3 low capacity carnival rides that can be found elsewhere.
What I can't understand is that so many people seem excited about all this Toy Story Playcrap. You all consider yourself fans? The same fans that praise Disney for it's unique and brilliant themed rides? Than ask yourself the following question: if you had to make a list of your favourite Disney rides, wouldn't Toy Story Playcrap be somewhere down the list?
QuoteThat's all it's gonna be...
Sure, these plans still miss the theming. But even when themed, it will still be 3 low capacity carnival rides that can be found elsewhere.
What I can't understand is that so many people seem excited about all this Toy Story Playcrap. You all consider yourself fans? The same fans that praise Disney for it's unique and brilliant themed rides? Than ask yourself the following question: if you had to make a list of your favourite Disney rides, wouldn't Toy Story Playcrap be somewhere down the list?
hehe not really, i don´t say i like it but maybe it will turn out okay. we don´t have the power to say they shuld not build it.
Just made this:
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You can see how they've left gaps for future expansion. :)
Quote from: "lil-shawn"but maybe it will turn out okay.
This is actually what bothers me. Since when is Disney about "Maybe it will turn out okay.". I just think it's a waste of money. With the same money they could've build one, more unique ride. I would've loved to see that instead of To Sorry Plainland.
Thanks for overlaying the plans on top of a satellite photo of the park.
So, where is the rumoured Ratatouille dark ride supposed to go?
I really wish they would gut the Costuming Department building and turn it into a Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater restaurant with a Cars theme. I mean, that way, it'd tie in with Cars Race Rally, creating a little Cars area.
Alternatively, they should gut/demolish the Costuming Department building and turn it into Toy Story Mania, making it part of Toy Story Playland.
But like Remco said, these plans look very un-Disney and unexciting. This is what I meant when I said I wish they DIDN'T build original attractions at Disneyland Paris. It's risky stuff. They're gonna waste a lot of money on an idea/design that is basically untested crap.
Lets not start the whole the theming is going to be rubbish discussion again.
The plans are just showing the basic infrastructure.
If I drew a plan like that for Discoveryland it will look exactly the same, it wouldnt show any of the theming it would just be rides and paths.
Why be so negative when very few people know what the land will look like?
Its an increasing thing in the Theme Park community that everyone thinks attractions will be rubbish before a shovel is even in the ground.
It annoys me so much. If, come opening day, the land looks terrible and a waste of money, by all means have a moan about it but nobody should be moaning when groundwork has only just started.
Have some faith guys. The people designing TS:PL know what they are doing.
QuoteThis is actually what bothers me. Since when is Disney about "Maybe it will turn out okay.". I just think it's a waste of money. With the same money they could've build one, more unique ride. I would've loved to see that instead of To Sorry Plainland.
since they build the whole studios, it is all just okay except TOT...
i argee with you to spend the money in something unique would be better..
QuoteLets not start the whole the theming is going to be rubbish discussion again.
The plans are just showing the basic infrastructure.
If I drew a plan like that for Discoveryland it will look exactly the same, it wouldnt show any of the theming it would just be rides and paths.
Why be so negative when very few people know what the land will look like?
Its an increasing thing in the Theme Park community that everyone thinks attractions will be rubbish before a shovel is even in the ground.
It annoys me so much. If, come opening day, the land looks terrible and a waste of money, by all means have a moan about it but nobody should be moaning when groundwork has only just started.
Have some faith guys. The people designing TS:PL know what they are doing.
the whole moaning is not about the themening, its more about the rides they will build, the problem is all the rides don´t have a lot of capacity and two of them are high towers.
i don´t think they know what they do, okay maybe with the themening but not with the choosing of the rides...
Quote from: "Willow"Lets not start the whole the theming is going to be rubbish discussion again.
Well, this is in fact a discussion forum... :P
Quote from: "Willow"Why be so negative when very few people know what the land will look like?
Like lil-shawn already said, we know what the rides are like. And like I said before, they don't offer any experience that can't be retrieved elsewhere.
I'm sorry for sounding negative, but it's hard to have faith in To Sorry Plainland... I know WDI can do better. It's probably not even WDI's fault, but more of a low budget thing.
Quote from: "Remco K."Quote from: "Willow"Lets not start the whole the theming is going to be rubbish discussion again.
Well, this is in fact a discussion forum... :P
You two are giving the word "discussion" a bad name. The situation would give the word "argument" a bad name, too...
Remco: It'll suck!
Willow: No it won't!
Remco: It'll suck!
Willow: No it won't!
Remco: It'll suck!
Willow: No it won't!
Ad nauseum...
Quote from: "Remco K."Quote from: "Willow"Why be so negative when very few people know what the land will look like?
Like lil-shawn already said, we know what the rides are like. And like I said before, they don't offer any experience that can't be retrieved elsewhere.
Because Tower of Terror offers so much mo- oh no wait, I can take a train over to Thorpe Park and go on a drop ride. Well how about Rock n Roller Coaster, that's a uniq- wait no, it's a basic goddamn rollercoaster if you strip it down. A lot of great Disney rides, especially in the Studios, are
all about theming, which deliberately isn't shown on utilitarian plans like these, and you can't possibly know about at the current time.
Let's make this clear.
THE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW ANY THEMING!!
:mrgreen:
All the plan is for is to give an idea of the layout of the land. I agree though that low capacity carnival attractions are a stupid idea right now. Toon Studio needs some more area development before three new attractions. When will we get a good restaurant? Or a proper shop?
Quote from: "Agent Lex"You two are giving the word "discussion" a bad name. The situation would give the word "argument" a bad name, too...
Thanks for making that clear. I had forgotten that these discussion forums are for positive discussions only. Everything Disney makes is quality and unique.
Quote from: "Remco K."Because Tower of Terror offers so much mo- oh no wait, I can take a train over to Thorpe Park and go on a drop ride. Well how about Rock n Roller Coaster, that's a uniq- wait no, it's a basic goddamn rollercoaster if you strip it down. A lot of great Disney rides, especially in the Studios, are all about theming, which deliberately isn't shown on utilitarian plans like these, and you can't possibly know about at the current time.
You are comparing a great themed Tower of Terror to a decorated carnival ride. I hope you can see the difference... Please tell me you see the difference.
it is deff diffrent from any other ride and not just any old drop ride in any old theme park, the mechanics behind it are totaly diffrent and thats just to start off with!
Quote from: "Remco K."You are comparing a great themed Tower of Terror to a decorated carnival ride. I hope you can see the difference... Please tell me you see the difference.
Yes, I can. Tower of Terror is essentially a carnival ride with absolutely brilliant theming. Toy Story Playland is essentially carnival rides with unknown, but possibly good to great theming.
I'm not denying that ToT is a great attraction, I absolutely love it. All I'm saying is, when you strip down the theming, it's a glorified drop ride. The theming makes it the superb ride that it is.
But fine, if you want an undeniable comparison, Fantasyland. Just... Fantasyland.
Know what guys. This forum used to be a very nice and welcoming forum. But since a few month it is starting to become very negativ in every "land".
Too many toons (bad)
Stupid carnival rides (bad)
MMP - waste of money (bad)
Castle decorations (bad)
Almost everything is bad. What had happend? Isn't there anything good left at DLP?
Why can't we just sit and wait, till TPL is finished?
I think it looks quite promising right now. I definitely think that the Studios really needs a little area like this right now. The park still too adult/teen orientated, and it needs more family rides. This zone delivers that; tree new attractions in one year. This was the case for the 15th celebrations, and that worked incredibly well. The plans don't show the themeing either, and I don't for one second believe that this will not be filled to the max with theming, props, etc.
It also brings more elevation; STAIRS!!! :mrgreen: The three rides may not be high capacity, that's probably why they are adding three attractions; if they were only opening one, I'd be concerned, but with three I'm not quite as much. It may also help to fund the future expansions (add a bit more cash to ratatouille), especially tying this in with Toy Story 3. They might even close down Woody's Round-up too I suppose.
I think we all need to relax a bit and wait to see what happens before sayign whether or not we definitely like it or not :wink:
Quote from: "RnRCj"Just made this:
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You can see how they've left gaps for future expansion. :)
Thanks for doing that J, it really helps to visualise it :)
Quote from: "Remco K."Than ask yourself the following question: if you had to make a list of your favourite Disney rides, wouldn't Toy Story Playcrap be somewhere down the list?
But would the likes of The Mad Hatter's Tea Cups, Dumbo, Casey Jr, Flying Carpets, etc make your list? They may not be the best, the most themed, the most invative, or in-depth attractions, but they are as important to a Disney park as the Tower of Terror is. And when you think about Casey Jr, that's just a coaster on a patch of grass really isn't it, any themeing it has comes from the boats below, or some circus signs. It's no TOT or Space Mountain, but it's a big and popular part of the park :wink:
Quote from: "Agent Lex"But fine, if you want an undeniable comparison, Fantasyland. Just... Fantasyland.
Those are indeed themed carnival rides, but at least they don't stick up 25M in the air...
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Yes, you can decorate this. But it will always be a halfpipe, no matter how good it looks. It will be visible on a distance, and in the worst scenario, even from Disneyland Park.
And about Tower of Terror: like Bigrossco mentioned, this is not just a drop ride. It has it's own unique ride system, which can't be found at Thorpe Park.
But I won't keep on raving about it. That seems unwished over here. Let's continue with the 'happy happy joy joy' talk.
I haven't got a problem with anyone voicing there opinion, I just don't understand why people are negative when nothing has been built yet.
I will not hesitate to make my opinions known if the land is terrible.
I'm not against being negative, I'm against being negative when you haven't got a clue what the area will look like.
Since when has Disney strayed away from "Carnival rides"?
Crush's coaster is a standard Maurer-Schone spinner, one which is available to tour fairgrounds.
TOT is a drop tower.
Cars is a standard Mack flat ride. (I think its a Mack or a Zamperla).
There are more.
There is nothing special about the mechanical rides Disney build, its the story and theming that makes Disney the top Theme Park chain.
Its the Disney difference that takes these rides from being standard cheap rides into good rides. Why cannot this happen for TS:PL?
im with you willow on this one, i am looking forward to the land, but wont 'fanboi' it if its no good :D
Quote from: "Remco K."Thanks for making that clear. I had forgotten that these discussion forums are for positive discussions only. Everything Disney makes is quality and unique.
The point seemed to be more that another ongoing to/fro argument wasn't really necessary. Most people would much rather rationally talk through the specific points of what's bad (or even not so bad) about this plan than just throw around lame spin-off names and completely bash it.
Quote from: "Remco K."What I can't understand is that so many people seem excited about all this Toy Story Playcrap. You all consider yourself fans?
Where are these excited people? No one is jumping in the aisles. You make an excellent point though Remco that Disney really shouldn't be a "maybe it'll turn out ok" company, it's just a shame Euro Disney has all this debt behind it. It's not really something you want to throw vast sums of money at too quickly.
On the other hand, perhaps the only reason that phrase has been thrown into the last 30 pages of discussion so much is because certain people came in blazing negativity the moment they heard "Pixar", "Toy Story" and "Flat Rides".
Quote from: "Remco K."Than ask yourself the following question: if you had to make a list of your favourite Disney rides, wouldn't Toy Story Playcrap be somewhere down the list?
It wouldn't even be on my list, it hasn't opened yet. Butlin Boy said the rest.
Now, can I entirely neutrally suggest... the RC Racer/Halfpipe supports could be themed to something like K'Nex? Like a giant, toy-sized version of those amazing K'Nex coasters? http://www.knex.com/Thrill_Rides/ (http://www.knex.com/Thrill_Rides/)
Ok, maybe there's a bit of optimism seeping through there.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"QuoteLooks just like I expected it to be.... just plain carnival rides connected by some paths... disappointing.
i argee with you...
don´t understand why disney is take out the pracure drop in DCA and now put one into our WDS, also its not smart to put the halfpipe coaster in, i was thinking they will learn from crush coaster and now they put in 3 low capacity attractions.
its just wrong in my eyes, maybe they change the whole concept befor they begin to build it.
But DCA are not removing the parachute drops, there being replaced to where the maliboomers currently stand.
I hate the 'carnival ride' term. It reminds me of those zipper and tilt a whirl rides. If a 'carnival ride' is a ride that can travel in a fair. Isn't that most rides these days.
I'm so happy that there's a new project to follow in dlrp, even if it isn't there best idea !
I'd like to make one thing clear,
EVERYONE is entitled to have its own opinion about Toy Story Playland. I hope both "sides" will respect each other's opinion...
And something else, this is an OLD plan. The marketing and press teams all over Europe were shown a scale model of the land earlier this week. It featured not two, but one Half Pipe coaster. And everything will be surrounded by large trees, 12m high bamboo and large glass blades like at the HISTA set at Disney's Hollywood Studios.
QuoteLooks just like I expected it to be.... just plain carnival rides connected by some paths... disappointing.
Yep, from that
one plan you can make that up! :lol: No seriously, it's not going to be like that at all.
[quote="Agent LexYes, I can. Tower of Terror is essentially a carnival ride with absolutely brilliant theming. Toy Story Playland is essentially carnival rides with unknown, but possibly good to great theming.
I'm not denying that ToT is a great attraction, I absolutely love it. All I'm saying is, when you strip down the theming, it's a glorified drop ride. The theming makes it the superb ride that it is.
But fine, if you want an undeniable comparison, Fantasyland. Just... Fantasyland.[/quote]
actually, when WDI developed ToT, they worked with engineers to develop a system that take you down faster than gravity. Also, ghosts and mirror effects are a key part of the experience. These carnival rides will not be anywhere near in the same vein of theming.
As for Fantasyland, well it has been my least favorite land even since childhood, but at least there are great settings to explore. Doubt we can say that for this farce of a development.
As for wait and see? Nope, it does not take a genious to work out the capacity issues and track record for these sorts of attractions in the last 15 years across the globe have not been great for Disney. The whole point of plans etc. are to see if things could work. Frankly a well themed environment would be a better use of money, or save it until they are ready to build something worthy of the the OLD Disney name.
Quote from: "Reiana"Know what guys. This forum used to be a very nice and welcoming forum. But since a few month it is starting to become very negativ in every "land".
Too many toons (bad)
Stupid carnival rides (bad)
MMP - waste of money (bad)
Castle decorations (bad)
Almost everything is bad. What had happend? Isn't there anything good left at DLP?
Why can't we just sit and wait, till TPL is finished?
First of all, because recent Disney moves across the US, DLP and even some of the stuff in Asia are creatively bankrupt and are raping the legacy of the Disney name.
Secondly, we don't want to wait and see. If something looks bad on paper, it is not likely to be much better in real life (see Chester and Hesters and Flik's Fun Fair for reference, or HKDL). Therefore, with so little money available, I do not want Disney to waste their money and make WDSP a worse experience.
Ooh, a picture have we.
Hmmm... Well, regardless of how they'll theme these things, the placement is just... Oy.
This park is turning more and more into a pupu platter of "what has Euro Disney's market research department shown to be needed next." They pull a big handle on a machine and when a piece of paper comes out that reads "three kiddie rides with a Toy Story theme," then Euro Disneyland Imagineering plops those down somewhere — anywhere.
Where is that "bigger picture" spirit that has finally hit Disney with regards to Disney's California Adventure?
So in conclusion, yes, go optimism. (//http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee167/sergiogiorgini/nopompom.gif)
Quote from: "pussinboots"So in conclusion, yes, go optimism. (//http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee167/sergiogiorgini/nopompom.gif)
Right on, you da man!
Hm I´m not that negative about this project. Should be nice to come out of this toon town/cars area down the street into some green (yes really green with trees and bushes and and and) area. Something that you wouldn´t find at another spot in WDS. But by the way: This is just a simple (old) map. No concept arts yet. So let´s wait and see till we know how the Imagineers create the theming to the left and to the right of this paths and attraction. Till now my problems with Toy Story Land are smaller then first expected. I´m also not a Toy-Story-At-Every-Corner-Guy, but from the paths it should be nice to have a area (maybe together with toon studios and hollywood bvd.) to just walk around.
Quote from: "Remco K."Quote from: "Agent Lex"But fine, if you want an undeniable comparison, Fantasyland. Just... Fantasyland.
Those are indeed themed carnival rides, but at least they don't stick up 25M in the air...
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If i may say , this thing fits in the Studios. I looks like a big thrillride, so yeah , its welcome in there. They can theme it as : 'Carnival/Funfair in Hollywood!' becouse this this will be one of the eyecatchers next to Tower of Terror and the earfulltower.
Quote from: "Kristof"And something else, this is an OLD plan. The marketing and press teams all over Europe were shown a scale model of the land earlier this week. It featured not two, but one Half Pipe coaster. And everything will be surrounded by large trees, 12m high bamboo and large glass blades like at the HISTA set at Disney's Hollywood Studios.
Any pictures of this model?
The problem is that Toon Studio (and the whole park) is so undeveloped and they're already throwing in a load of carni rides. Fantasyland has restaurants, shops, e-tickets, nice buildings, beautiful landscapes, places to explore... so the few carnival rides amongst all that don't look bad at all.
Toon Studio on the other hand just has attractions and one small stall. Where is the area development? Disney should be improving the park. To do that they need to add restaurants, shops, and places to explore - because the Studios lacks those things! We've already got a couple of carni rides, why do we need more? :wink:
Quote from: "Disneydavid"Quote from: "Remco K."Quote from: "Agent Lex"But fine, if you want an undeniable comparison, Fantasyland. Just... Fantasyland.
Those are indeed themed carnival rides, but at least they don't stick up 25M in the air...
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If i may say , this thing fits in the Studios. I looks like a big thrillride, so yeah , its welcome in there. They can theme it as : 'Carnival/Funfair in Hollywood!' becouse this this will be one of the eyecatchers next to Tower of Terror and the earfulltower.
Just the look of that picture terrifies me!! :shock:
someone on DCP made this photo montage of toy story playland, it seems there is a lot of space for future expansion. also i was reading that next year they will maybe bring in a shop
in that area of the park, Kristof do you know more about it?
here is that pic...
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Yeah, well , i made a little trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aofyA7-9 ... annel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aofyA7-9zhY&feature=channel_page)
The videoshots are not mine , just the 'Coming soon to..Disneyland Paris' line. I think Toy Story Mania is a copy of Buzz Lightyear but its welcome in there :)!
If you like the video , you can download it on the links in my signing on iTunes or MP4 :)
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This is a good way to see how it fits. If this is really how it will be on the right place ...
But on that poster are 2 skateboards (i see them like surfingboards or something) and not 1!
When the plans are over-layed there are a few places where theming can be placed.
Queues are certainly going to be an issue. There are a lot of low-capacity rides on that side of the park.
Quote from: "RnRCj"The problem is that Toon Studio (and the whole park) is so undeveloped and they're already throwing in a load of carni rides. Fantasyland has restaurants, shops, e-tickets, nice buildings, beautiful landscapes, places to explore... so the few carnival rides amongst all that don't look bad at all.
Toon Studio on the other hand just has attractions and one small stall. Where is the area development? Disney should be improving the park. To do that they need to add restaurants, shops, and places to explore - because the Studios lacks those things! We've already got a couple of carni rides, why do we need more? :wink:
Exactly. Fantasyland is an enormous expanse of painstakingly laid-out fairy tale themeing in which the few carnival rides simply complement everything else that's there. Oh and there are restaurants and shops and water features and a labyrinth and a steam train...
Now if one were to take Dumbo, the Carousel and the Tea Cups and put them in that little undeveloped area behind Pizzeria Bella Notte, along with only the most basic of themed surroundings, then we would have something to compare Toy Story Playland to. Or basically any of those neo-Fantasylands Disney built in the past decade. I know this has been beaten to death, but it's true.
Area development... That's the magic word, isn't it. Well, technically two words.
Also, I'm wondering where they would put Midway Mania, inevitably the big new ride for the 20th? Because by the looks of it, there might not be enough space in Toy Story Playland. (Unless they do some serious rearranging.) Which is even more worrying.
I think if they would demolish the whole costuming building and take this little forest between the two streets from the tram tour, you will have a big area where they culd build toy story mania/ ratatouille, restaurants, shops and a great landscape and more buildings.
i mean this space is huge, you could put in there peter pan, snowh white, pinocchio, dumbo, the carousell, its barely half of fantasyland, maybe a lil bit less but i think you understand what i try to say!!
Quote from: "lil-shawn"I think if they would demolish the whole costuming building and take this little forest between the two streets from the tram tour, you will have a big area where they culd build toy story mania/ ratatouille, restaurants, shops and a great landscape and more buildings.
i mean this space is huge, you could put in there peter pan, snowh white, pinocchio, dumbo, the carousell, its barely half of fantasyland, maybe a lil bit less but i think you understand what i try to say!!
Are there plans to demolish the costuming building?
On Disney Central Plaza they're saying that part of it could be replaced by a shop (possibly that of Ratatouille) in the future. I haven't heard anything about it going altogether though.
QuoteAre there plans to demolish the costuming building?
no i don´t think so, but it would be better, so they get a lot of new land to put in 2-3 dark rides, shops and restaurants, also a nice landscaping.
QuoteOn Disney Central Plaza they're saying that part of it could be replaced by a shop (possibly that of Ratatouille) in the future. I haven't heard anything about it going altogether though.
i was reading the same, it would be cool to get a new shop in this area, but hope this time there are not all the same merchandise like in every other shop...
Well, who even cares about merchandise at this point... Just a real shop would make so much difference. Or a counter service restaurant... Something to do besides standing in line for a spinning ride.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Well, who even cares about merchandise at this point... Just a real shop would make so much difference. Or a counter service restaurant... Something to do besides standing in line for a spinning ride.
Great idea , but more important :
FastPast!
I dont know but those Skateboard-attractions can be very populair als Fastpast runaway.
For excample : I go to Tower of Terror, I get a fastpast , and then in the meanwhile I go do this quick rides. I see this rides as a perfect 'what to do in the time that we need to wait for a fastpast time' ride.
I found this pictures not so long ago :
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Guessing the building behind the halfpipe(s) is some kind of CM or services area, but what could the building next to the parachute drop entrance be? I can't see any way of getting to it.
I've also been wondering, for a while... Should we be pissed off that Euro Disney SCA (or whoever will be funding this) isn't providing more money, for a more developed expansion? Or, should we just be glad to get something? I mean, can we forgive this €2bn-in-debt company for not building any restaurants, shops or even TOILETS here, or are they really infact fobbing the park off with less than they could achieve?
Side note: Toilets... I saw a poor parent get pretty stressed in the Crush queue that the nearest toilets were the other side of Studio 1 or behind Art of Disney... imagine walking back from that kids play area in the plan to the nearest place. (Not that it'll matter, because there's nowhere to buy food, of course..)
Quote from: "Anthony"Side note: Toilets... I saw a poor parent get pretty stressed in the Crush queue that the nearest toilets were the other side of Studio 1 or behind Art of Disney... imagine walking back from that kids play area in the plan to the nearest place. (Not that it'll matter, because there's nowhere to buy food, of course..)
Don't forget the restrooms at Art of Disney Animation. ;)
What i just dont get is how they are going to hide the terrible backstage/expansion area from the half pipe riders. Probably they will not...
Quote from: "Filip"What i just dont get is how they are going to hide the terrible backstage/expansion area from the half pipe riders. Probably they will not...
With Toy Story Playland they're only expanding the ugly backstage area, so they don't need to hide it... ;)
You know , I wonder how long it will go on with the replacements of the Studio Tram Tour. I hope that they will make a bridge or something if they ever want to expend more.
i hope they're pushing back the tram tour station somewhen to further extend the hollywood blvd...
ontopic, the map looks nice, i think it will become a quiet nice place to go, with winding paths and high trees. what a pity that for now there not going to be some more buildings there...
I really do not want carnival rides, "themed up" with Toy Story decor. In my opinion it is lame, cheap and uninspiring. I truly believe (after riding it in September) that WDS would benifit from Toy Story Mania or a similar indoor ride in the toon studios. People pay big bucks ( I mean Euros :) ) to visit Disney Parks because they expect the very best in ride tecnology and theming, and that is what they should recieve. If people want to go on a half pipe or spinning ride they will visit a local fairground or lesser themed park.
After the WDS openend they realised they would need more rides, and they added some fantastic rides like Tower of Terror etc. Now they should continue with the same level of ride experience. Just remember Walt had the idea for Disneyland when he was fed up with Fairground atmosphere and rides.
Toy Story (Midway) Mania will make an appearance soon.
After all, its only a few screens and a big building. Most of the cost would have gone into development.
MUD!!! :mrgreen:
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No - that's the theming!
:lol:
QuoteNo - that's the theming!
wow i´m impressed how good they themed the rides,
i never thought it would be that massive =D> :lol:
Wow! Goofy about MUD! But yeah, I find it a good understatement and i say it too..... MUD!!!!!
Its the beginning of an already build attraction; are some of you familiar with Buzz Lightyear Lazerblast. Well , the extra's are just 3Dglasses , another theme and Mr Potatohead who replaces Buzz Lightyear...
Quote from: "Disneydavid"Wow! Goofy about MUD! But yeah, I find it a good understatement and i say it too..... MUD!!!!!
Its the beginning of an already build attraction; are some of you familiar with Buzz Lightyear Lazerblast. Well , the extra's are just 3Dglasses , another theme and Mr Potatohead who replaces Buzz Lightyear...
This isnt "Toy Story Mania"!! This is something different, Toy Story Playland, the attractions are listed if you read back
Quote from: "RnRCj"No - that's the theming!
:lol:
I can see that throughout the next few months of construction there are going to be alot of these jokes ! :lol:
This could be interesting. Is the oh so great pile of mud actually for the playland. Or is it actually for something else
Quote from: "Magicalmouse125"This could be interesting. Is the oh so great pile of mud actually for the playland. Or is it actually for something else
It's just where they're clearing the area to prepare for the construction of the new land :)
Here are some photos of the site that I took on 21 May 2009:
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Yay, that mount of dirt is bigger!
I still loathe the idea of this area but I'm also very intrigued as to how it'll look, especially as its taking up such a large space.
Quote from: "peep"Yay, that mount of dirt is bigger!
:lol:, that reminds me of the time when Toon Studio was build and everyone got crazy about every little stone that was moved :mrgreen: ;)! Or when everybody screamed when he saw the pic of the new 15th-napkins, hehe!
It's really interesting to see attractions and new areas grow, but it will surely last many months until we'll get to see something really big, won't it? :(
Why is there a normal car on the tram route in Alan's first photo? Someone miss a turning?
I'm wondering whether this giant pile of earth has just been cleared out and will soon disappear, or if it's actually for a new berm to hide the back of TSPL from the tram.
Isn't the way in which the Studio Tram Tour route is being modified a little short-sighted? I mean, every time the park wants to expand a bit, they'll have to keep modifying the STT route, bit by bit. Why don't they just do it properly once and push it way back into the park, far away from Hollywood Boulevard and the Tower of Terror?
Personally, I hate the Studio Tram Tour :-) It works at Universal Studios Hollywood, because that park is a REAL movie studio, and you genuinely are going behind the scenes, and on to sets that will be used in the future. But in Paris the only thing worth seeing is Catastrophe Canyon, which is sadly just a clone of a 20-year-old effect from Florida, that isn't as impressive as it was in the '80s.
new toy story trailer!!!!; http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/toystory3/ (http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/toystory3/)
I love it!!! :D/
does anyone have a update yet?
Maybe it is a bit shortsited but it is very cost effective think of all the infrastructure and Cast Members to maintain a safe and secure area for guests to move about in to link the two areas. Then ask does EurodisneySCA have the money to do this and the plain and simple answer is no.
Two photos from past weekend:
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Mud + Machinery = :mrgreen: :D/
They really should make an announcement about this before or at the beginning of the Summer season, and then put some logos, characters, and concept art on the blue fences (including those in the STT) to advertise what is going on to everyone who visits in the busy summer season. If DCA can have themed construction fences for World of Colour and The Little Mermaid up already, both of which open at the earliest of late 2010, then why can't we? :wink:
I doubt they will though :roll:
I fully agree with you butlin boy I feel a teaser advatising is a very good idea they did do it for Tower of terror in the second year of construction. I feel that the Toy Story Playland logo and maybe characters from the movie using hammers and other tools with the tag line coming in 2010 as it's still to early to anounce the month this attraction opens to guests yet but the company needs to get guests excited who are already on resort to come back in 2010.
Quote from: "phantom247"I fully agree with you butlin boy I feel a teaser advatising is a very good idea they did do it for Tower of terror in the second year of construction. I feel that the Toy Story Playland logo and maybe characters from the movie using hammers and other tools with the tag line coming in 2010 as it's still to early to anounce the month this attraction opens to guests yet but the company needs to get guests excited who are already on resort to come back in 2010.
Exactly! Surely it wouldn't be hard to get some pictures of characters which are appropriate, I mean they've already got stuff like this:
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Simple :wink:
There
needs to be something on that fence before Halloween/Christmas at least.
I guess it's the resort's poor history with new attractions that means they don't have the "We're Imagineering something new!" kinda signs other resorts have, and instead have to stick a generic "we're refurbishing this area..." on there.
Any speculation on the attraction names?
Army Men Parachute Drop
Slinky Dog
RC Racer[/list]
"RC Racer" has been mentioned a lot, but I can't imagine what Slinky Dog could be called (he's ZigZag in French), or how Army Men could be made a bit more French-friendly.
The names preferably need to have an almost absurd Franglais mix. We're talking "Rock 'n' Roller Coaster
avec Aerosmith" or (deep breath) "Les Tapis Volants - Flying Carpets Over Agrabah" here. Suggestions?
Quote from: "Anthony"Any speculation on the attraction names?
RC Racer[/list]
Cars Race Rally! :) :mrgreen:
No Wait... :-k :roll:
I like building sides. Mud, machinery, progress! Thanks for the pics.
Call it simply Le Parachute d´army men
Le p´tit caroussel du dog
Le Fast Ralley
Oh I know...the short cuts:
PDAM
PCD
FR (=france where [strike:odi4hynw]Euro Disney[/strike:odi4hynw][strike:odi4hynw]Disneyland Paris[/strike:odi4hynw]Disneyland [strike:odi4hynw]Resort[/strike:odi4hynw]Paris is located)
Quote from: "Anthony"There needs to be something on that fence before Halloween/Christmas at least.
I guess it's the resort's poor history with new attractions that means they don't have the "We're Imagineering something new!" kinda signs other resorts have, and instead have to stick a generic "we're refurbishing this area..." on there.
Any speculation on the attraction names?
Army Men Parachute Drop
Slinky Dog
RC Racer[/list]
"RC Racer" has been mentioned a lot, but I can't imagine what Slinky Dog could be called (he's ZigZag in French), or how Army Men could be made a bit more French-friendly.
The names preferably need to have an almost absurd Franglais mix. We're talking "Rock 'n' Roller Coaster avec Aerosmith" or (deep breath) "Les Tapis Volants - Flying Carpets Over Agrabah" here. Suggestions?
Slinky Dog ZigZag is the actual workname of that ride.
What ever names get used I hope its more creative than Toy Story Playland.
I am still a bit shocked nothing has been officially annouced yet by Management. At least start getting the speculation rolling. I also find it strange how John Lassaster is apparently very behind the idea of each park having a preview centre like DCA, but is keeping quiet on this attraction. My personal view is that the park had the perfect oportunity to annouce this new attraction back during the shareholders meeting. The fact nothing was annouced leads me to think the annoucement is being held back on purpose. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if Disney was holding it back to annouce at the D23 Expo in Anaheim. While I think it should be annouced in Europe first, Disney is putting a lot of effort into the Expo and has already stated that Jay Rasulo will be making a key note address, with no doubt news to annouce to the fans and world media. Just my take on it!
QuoteI am still a bit shocked nothing has been officially annouced yet by Management. At least start getting the speculation rolling. I also find it strange how John Lassaster is apparently very behind the idea of each park having a preview centre like DCA, but is keeping quiet on this attraction. My personal view is that the park had the perfect oportunity to annouce this new attraction back during the shareholders meeting. The fact nothing was annouced leads me to think the annoucement is being held back on purpose. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if Disney was holding it back to annouce at the D23 Expo in Anaheim. While I think it should be annouced in Europe first, Disney is putting a lot of effort into the Expo and has already stated that Jay Rasulo will be making a key note address, with no doubt news to annouce to the fans and world media. Just my take on it!
i have to argee with you, its dissapointing and a shame that they´re not able to
make toystory playland officially. as i remember john lasseter told on an interview
at canes that they where planing something to open next year, so why they still ceep
quiet in paris? thats not smart, also if they plan something big for the 20th they have to
make it officialy very soon, or will they don´t want the peeps back, who are visiting the park right now? i don´t think it will be annouce on the expo!!
Just put this up on WDSfans.com:
Quote from: "WDSfans"Toy Story Playland decorated fences soon.
Posted by Kristof on Friday, June 19 2009
Grandmath reports on Disney Central Plaza that decorations will soon be placed on the blue construction fences currently circling the Toy Story Playland.
He says they will be in the same vain as the decorations during the Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast and Toon Studio constructions.
These would be the first real public confirmations of the project.
To be continued...
Source: Disney Central Plaza (//http://disneycentralplaza.englishboard.net/disneyland-paris-f6/) and http://www.wdsfans.com (http://www.wdsfans.com)
Quote from: "Kristof"Just put this up on WDSfans.com:
Quote from: "WDSfans"Toy Story Playland decorated fences soon.
Posted by Kristof on Friday, June 19 2009
Grandmath reports on Disney Central Plaza that decorations will soon be placed on the blue construction fences currently circling the Toy Story Playland.
He says they will be in the same vain as the decorations during the Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast and Toon Studio constructions.
These would be the first real public confirmations of the project.
To be continued...
Source: Disney Central Plaza (//http://disneycentralplaza.englishboard.net/disneyland-paris-f6/) and http://www.wdsfans.com (http://www.wdsfans.com)
:D/ =D> :mrgreen: :D/ =D> :mrgreen: :D/ =D> :mrgreen:
And it's about time too :P I can't wait to see what they've got in store for the fences. Hopefully it'll be some form of land and ride logos, and some concept art if we're lucky :)
Good news! But "...in the same vain as the decorations during the Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast and Toon Studio constructions" is slightly disappointing to hear, since they were just pretty cheap stick-on cardboard pieces.
Fingers crossed for something more like the MMP central plaza fences, or DCA's paradise pier ones!
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"...and some concept art if we're lucky :)
If so, can we arrange for pictures to be put in spoiler tags so viewers of this topic will have a choice whether they want to be physically sick or not? :P
on friday I smelled fresh Tarmac around Cars Race Rally construction fence area.
Quote from: "phantom247"on friday I smelled fresh Tarmac around Cars Race Rally construction fence area.
More tarmac in WDS! :D/ =D>
Quote from: "andrewuk"Quote from: "phantom247"on friday I smelled fresh Tarmac around Cars Race Rally construction fence area.
More tarmac in WDS! :D/ =D>
It won't be "WDS tarmac". It'll get a really nice themed coat to make it look like gravel and will have gigantic footprints of Andy everywhere in it. :)
Thanks, Kristof.
Looking on the positive side I am excited about the 12m high bamboos (they will cost a bit; I hope they use a few different species), and if you think about it every area that has ever been added to either park has been very well themed (even the toilets of terror)! It was only the original WDS that was lacking.
Micechat member Keithlee83 has posted some concept art about the HKDL expansion.
http://micechat.com/forums/hong-kong-di ... t-art.html (http://micechat.com/forums/hong-kong-disneyland-resort/118897-hkdl-expansion-concept-art.html)
The concept art can also be found here: http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/ (http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/)
It looks like that HKDL will get Toy Story Playland, too. Maybe TSPL in WDS will look the same. I've to say that I'm not very happy with this addition, but I think children will like it.
I can confirm it'll be the same!!! Although our version will be much greener. The barrel entrance in the Paris version will be located on the other side, direction Imaginations building... (Towards the future Ratatouille).
And we won't have Woody at the entrance, but Buzz Lightyear.
RC Racer is placed differently in Paris and will have a longer queue.
The concept art we're talking about:
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Original image posted on Micechat by bennettshiu
Very cleaver Disney saves a whole heap of money by cloning this land.
How many of those 3 attractions will adults actually be allowed to ride, without any children? Are they even adult rides, or are they purely designed for tiny kids?
All of the rides will be suitable for adults. You could even class the Half-pipe as a thrill ride!
Concept Art looks good, but I never trust Concept Art. :P
I still don't understand why no concept art of DLP's Toy Storyland hasn't yet been released :? ?
I don't know if I'm being a bit stupid, but I don't understand what the Slinky attraction is going to be? I can't make it out from the picture?
I think this concept art for HKDL looks promising though, as do the other 2 lands they have planned! I'll be interested to see how Mystic Point turns out, particularly Mystic Manor!
Slinky's ride will be a Musical Express (I presume the Mack version)
Info here: http://www.mack-rides.com/lang-en/c141/default.html (http://www.mack-rides.com/lang-en/c141/default.html)
Basically it spins you around in a circle with some change in elevation. Fun ride.
Thanks Willow, I've been on one like that before, lots of fun!
I really don't want to be the eternal curmudgeon, but that concept art does not look good to me at all. Good God, can you imagine how that parachute ride and the half pipe thing would look in real life? I'm not talking about the themeing around them, but those are two huge exposed carny rides — just as we all feared.
I must say, I'm slightly confused about the reactions to this thing so far.
Also, poor Hong Kong.
I really like the look of the concept art, it all looks so colourful and creative. I love all of the little themeing details too, like the barrel that you can pass through, the Slinky box, the paper plane, etc, etc. I know it's not concept art for Paris, but it must be pretty close, as it would be a good cost cutting measure, especially for the two Disney resorts that need to save money the most. I think we can trust Kristof's word too :wink:
From the HKDL press release for their version of the land, it mentions there being "A themed food kiosk provides a barrel of fun snacks and refreshments and Guests can shop for Toy Story inspired collectibles at the merchandise location." Will this be included in our land too? It's the first I've heard of a shop or food kiosk being mentioned here, but it would definitely be a good idea to include them :)
Great to finally see some concept art, even if it technically doesn't belong to WDS, but it's going to be pretty much the same, which is good enough for me.
Anyway i about the concept art, i have to say i think it's great. And look, we have that thing that's been argued about all through this topic... theming, and there's plenty of it! I love it all, the barrel, the paper plane, the baby monitor etc, all of it! :mrgreen: Whether this will change the doubters opinions on this i don't know, but what i do know is that it's made me a bit more excited to seeing the finished outcome :D
All the clever details in the world aren't going to hide that steel half-pipe thing.
Exactly what I expected; bare carnival rides with props randomly dotted about. A few more trees won't make much difference.
Yeah... this is bad. Horrifically bad. And I'm not being biased because of my attitude towards this project so far; I did have a tiny bit of hope that it *might* look okay. But it doesn't.
Clearly, Disney have lost their way in Paris.
Hate to say it, as I'm a huge fan. But Disneyland Park (Paris) is a museum. It's an exhibit frozen in time. An artefact of past creativity that never changes. The true heart and ingenuity of the park died about 14 years ago. The geniuses and artists that created the park have abandoned it. They are long gone.
ARRGGGHHHH
Thats the kind of attractions you find in nearly every holiday-park around the world.
I can´t believe... they do this.
These ugly steel constructions.
Compare the beauty of Disneyland Park with the cheap look of all these new things.
Where have all the great imagineers gone????
The actual rides do not have much detail to them, so there is nothing to suggest that they will look as bad as people are making out. I still believe that this will be a great addition to WDS.
There are a number of places which will look great once built. I'm thinking the little details along the paths and the queue/station of the parachute drop.
I don't understand the argument that these are carnival rides. Does it matter as long as they are fun rides?
Whats everyones opinion of Crush's Coaster? Because that is very much a 'carnival' ride.
Quote from: "Willow"The actual rides do not have much detail to them, so there is nothing to suggest that they will look as bad as people are making out. I still believe that this will be a great addition to WDS.
There is enough to suggest that these rides will be bare steel.
Quote from: "Willow"I don't understand the argument that these are carnival rides. Does it matter as long as they are fun rides?
Whats everyones opinion of Crush's Coaster? Because that is very much a 'carnival' ride.
So many carnival rides don't belong at a Disney park. One or two nicely themed ones, fine (like in Fantasyland), but this land is completely made up of them. And not only that, but they're huge and completely bare! Crush's Coaster is a weak attraction in my opinion, but at least they covered up the fact it's a carnival ride.
Quote from: "Willow"The actual rides do not have much detail to them, so there is nothing to suggest that they will look as bad as people are making out. I still believe that this will be a great addition to WDS.
There are a number of places which will look great once built. I'm thinking the little details along the paths and the queue/station of the parachute drop.
I don't understand the argument that these are carnival rides. Does it matter as long as they are fun rides?
Whats everyones opinion of Crush's Coaster? Because that is very much a 'carnival' ride.
So your suggestion is that the enormous steel half-pipe thing might be drawn like an enormous steel half-pipe thing, but might in fact turn out altogether differently; possibly like a pleasant French chateau or invisible.
Or that we should look past the enormous steel half-pipe thing and focus on the lovely gravel-textured asphalt.
Face it, this thing is on its way and it's going to be ug-ly.
I agree that Disney in Paris have lost their way. I mean, come on!! We're now finding concept art for our new attractions via a different Disney resort?!! With absolutely no -- ZERO -- word from Euro Disney SCA whatsoever? Not even as a fan but as a shareholder, shouldn't we be told something about this major investment which has already begun?
Indignation over, I am 100% shocked that this land is a) going to be cloned and b) going to Hong Kong Disneyland. It's not a "Magic Kingdom park" land, it's a 2nd gate land... a movie park land. Poor them.
For Walt Disney Studios, I still say this is a (very modestly) positive step. Lots of kinetics, lots of external themeing, lots of colour, well-known characters, interesting paths to walk around, no huge concrete expanses, and as Kristof continually says for good reason, lots and lots of greenery.
My overall opinion on whether it sets the park on a path for eternal doom will depend on whether it is followed by a true Disney dark ride (either Midway Mania or Ratatouille). This is the Storybook Land, now in a few years let's please have the Space Mountain. (I'm forgetting ToT here because to be honest, it should have been there from the start)
By the way, THIS is the land we're getting, a completely mirrored version:
(//http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9776/tsplparissm.jpg) (//http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3391/tsplparis.jpg)
Only difference being the entrance path on the left doesn't curve round like that but continues off the left of the artwork, like in that old plan posted online a few weeks ago. It looks a bit better this way round actually.
Will our TSPL actually have anything that relates it to the theme of the park?
Depends what you think the theme of the park is...
Really, there's now two themes -
- the "this is honestly, honestly, a real film studio, honest, we're not lying" of the early attractions like STT and Backlot
- or the "the films come alive", "ride the movies" theme of stuff like Tower of Terror and Crush
I'm guessing it'll technically be a giant film set, but probably without any film equipment lying around. Imagineering seem to have got bored of doing that for some reason, only Flying Carpets has it.
I just don't see how the story of "Andy's toys left in a garden" ties into the Studios theme at all. They could at least (if it is supposed to be a film set) create some signs at the entrance. Maybe stating things like "Toy Story set", or "entering production zone".
This "pick a movie, recreate it, put some movie equipment around it" theme is getting old though. They're going even more off course now by removing the "put some movie equipment around it" bit, just leaving us with "pick a movie, recreate it".
We need some completely new themes in WDS. Real stories; like Tower of Terror has.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Face it, this thing is on its way and it's going to be ug-ly.
In your opinion it will be ugly. I do not see it that way.
I think the whole land will look great. I will gladly admit that it isn't, if it isn't.
I don't like being negative about things which haven't given me a reason to be negative yet.
I do agree that its not movie-park related, oh well.
Quote from: "RnRCj"They're going even more off course now by removing the "put some movie equipment around it" bit, just leaving us with "pick a movie, recreate it".
We need some completely new themes in WDS. Real stories; like Tower of Terror has.
Surely Tower of Terror has the same problem you described above? I don't see any evidence of filming in that fully-realised hotel, and I wouldn't expect flat rides like these to have a ToT-style story, either. Does Dumbo have some mysterious legend I've missed? No, it's just a fun ride on Dumbo. Sixteen of them. At once.
Don't over-think it now just to create more issues.
it's too huge, i think
but maybe it stays a rumour or the plans will be improved
:)
Looking at the plans (//http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OO7WbmARD08/SknnDK2Zq0I/AAAAAAAARwE/E0ksyC4SOdo/s1600/07346994.jpg), the layout of the Hong Kong version will actually be quite different to Paris, with the two notable additions of the shop and food kiosk area...
(//http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/124/tsplhk.jpg)
Now let's mirror it, producing the correct layout for Paris...
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...however each of the attractions at WDS will actually not be mirrored... if that makes sense. So they'll be in these locations but the other way round (RC Racer's queue leading around the right side of the ride, for example).
Parachute Drop also needs to be turned 90 degrees, RC Racer turned anti-clockwise a little and Slinky Dog clockwise slightly. And ignore the shop and food kiosk, Euro Disney SCA obviously doesn't think a theme park needs those!
Admittedly space would be an issue with the WDS layout, especially with it being pushed in by the Tram Tour route, but when you look at the space they've got to expand the park... they could make room.
Am I the only one feeling the rides in Playland are not exactly to my taste? The rides seem more thrill-ride fairgroundish than Disney style
Im not arguing because of the rides being carnival sorts - but I'm not one for rides that throw you about or bungee jumping. Slinky dog ride looks interesting but the rest I'll avoid like I do Cars Race Rally.
Still an extra land MIGHT help ease Crush's horrible queues and it could look quite nice with the big character sculptures and all - reminds me of Honey I Shunk the Kids Playground from Hollywood Studios in theme. Plus it seems to fit the theme of the toon area with all the carnival rides
Maybe this would look ok if they had Pixar Place type area like they do at DHS.
I'm sure the theming will be excellent its just the choice of rides that i'm not feeling.
Quote from: "Willow"Quote from: "pussinboots"Face it, this thing is on its way and it's going to be ug-ly.
In your opinion it will be ugly. I do not see it that way.
I think the whole land will look great. I will gladly admit that it isn't, if it isn't.
I don't like being negative about things which haven't given me a reason to be negative yet.
I do agree that its not movie-park related, oh well.
Ya, but you like Alton Towers, and that place blows so much we have not bothered going back in 8 years.
I have to say that I like the concept art above, for me it seems like Toy Story Playland will be a colourful playspot for children!
But I'm still not comfortable with this Skateboard-ride, it looks too high, it looks ugly, it looks cheap (imho)... but I'm looking forward to the Slinky Dog Ride though :mrgreen:
LaughingPlace.com is reporting that the attraction has now been officially confirmed by Disney.
QuoteToday Walt Disney Parks & Resorts confirmed that Hong Kong Disneyland's announced Toy Story Land will be exclusive to Asia only and therefore the land has been approved for the Walt Disney Studios Park in Paris. (Tip courtest of Tales from the Laughing Place Magazine)
Great :-"
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Willow"Quote from: "pussinboots"Face it, this thing is on its way and it's going to be ug-ly.
In your opinion it will be ugly. I do not see it that way.
I think the whole land will look great. I will gladly admit that it isn't, if it isn't.
I don't like being negative about things which haven't given me a reason to be negative yet.
I do agree that its not movie-park related, oh well.
Ya, but you like Alton Towers, and that place blows so much we have not bothered going back in 8 years.
I don't really know what Alton Towers has to do with my opinion of Toy Story Playland?
I treat both parks differently.
After looking on this map:
Quote from: "Anthony"(//http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/124/tsplhk.jpg)
for me it looks like no hongkong disneyland is getting a carbon copy of paris, but paris is getting a carbon copy of hkdl. on the hkdl map the entrances make sence. you enter it on the right, walk through the land and then leave it on the left...
but in paris you walk throuh it and on the right theres a path (outside of the land according to the artwork) to bring the people back to toon studio:
Quote from: "lil-shawn"(//http://web.lab.free.fr/toyStoryPlayland2.jpg)
to me its just not looking right, or not as if it was designed for paris...
Quote from: "Whoknew?"but in paris you walk throuh it and on the right theres a path (outside of the land according to the artwork) to bring the people back to toon studio:
to me its just not looking right, or not as if it was designed for paris...
To me it hints that one day, there'll be something much more important and substantial just beyond the current Costuming building! It leaves Toon Studio open to further expansion without everyone having to pass through this one route.
Also note that the path between the attractions looks a little wider in Hong Kong, and Slinky Dog in Paris has an extra viewing area next to it, with a nice set of steps. (Level changes are still something major for WDS) So it's much more off the beaten track and can obviously be avoided easily... lol.
The way I see it, DLP had either two options here; Toy Story Playland, or Toy Story Midway Mania. The same goes for HKDL. In the cases of WDS and HKDL, from the two options, I personally think that they have chosen the correct ones. Now I know a lot of people will not agree with me here and say that TSMM would be the better option, and I can understand why they would say that. However, both HKDL and DLP share a lot in common with each other that makes this decision a good one. Mainly, their financial history/status, and the size of their parks.
The first and most obvious reason for TSPL is the fact that it is cheaper. Both resorts have been unlucky with their finance, and by adding three small attractions instead of the one big one is probably cheaper. Both parks opening almost identical versions also allows them to save money too. This can help them to fund bigger attractions in the future, hopefully in DLP's case this will mean Ratatouille and The Little Mermaid.
The second reason is that it is adding more attractions to the parks. Both WDS and HKDL have been slated for being too small and not having enough to do. Although TSMM has a re-rideability factor to it, three attractions and an immersive themed area are a lot better I feel. It may also be a great marketing feature as well, advertising 3 new attractions rather than 1. And from the point of view of the land not the rides, it adds something that the studios really needs; a well themed, colourful and imaginative area that people can roam around and explore, as opposed to TSMM which would just bring another industrial building that the Studios has too many of, and would cause problems with fitting in Ratatouille as well.
I think that Toy Story Playland is WDS's and HKDL's Toy Story Midway Mania at the end of the day. The American parks and Tokyo can afford to have TSMM instead of TSPL because they are big enough, have enough to do, and have enough money that they can afford them, however, as I have already pointed out, WDS and HKDL do not. Toy Story Playland FTW :P
Overall i think it looks amazing a lot like the alice in wonderland walthough in the disney park which i think is great from the art work it looks like there will be lots of little things that you can have photos taken with which is all good by me so overall i cant wait for it to open my little neice who is 8 looked at the art work and also think that it looks like fun and hopes to meet some new characters inside it aka bo peep and potato head
Gareth :D
I'm shocked at the postive responses.
Huge, ugly rides. Bare steel. No relation to theme. Non-family-friendly attractions. Unoriginal attractions......yet this is still a good addition to the park? It'd be a good addition to somewhere like Chessington, but not Disneyland. No no.
We're not even get a shop or food kiosk!
Quote from: "Anthony"I wouldn't expect flat rides like these to have a ToT-style story, either. Does Dumbo have some mysterious legend I've missed? No, it's just a fun ride on Dumbo. Sixteen of them. At once.
I don't expect these rides to have elaborate stories either. But the theme they have must make sense. Toys in a garden do not relate to the Studios theme at all, whereas Dumbo in Fantasyland does. :wink:
Quote from: "RnRCj"I'm shocked at the postive responses.
Huge, ugly rides. Bare steel. No relation to theme. Non-family-friendly attractions. Unoriginal attractions......yet this is still a good addition to the park? It'd be a good addition to somewhere like Chessington, but not Disneyland. No no.
We're not even get a shop or food kiosk!
Quote from: "Anthony"I wouldn't expect flat rides like these to have a ToT-style story, either. Does Dumbo have some mysterious legend I've missed? No, it's just a fun ride on Dumbo. Sixteen of them. At once.
I don't expect these rides to have elaborate stories either. But the theme they have must make sense. Toys in a garden do not relate to the Studios theme at all, whereas Dumbo in Fantasyland does. :wink:
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Well, anyway. Maybe they'll surprise us all during the 20th.
(Also, with the crowds the resort has been seeing these past few years, can we still not afford something a
little more extravagant? Couldn't just a tiny bit of that placemaking masterplan from a few years ago have been added to this project? A hot dog stand, maybe? I just fail to see why we're still partying like it's 2002.)
I must say, that I can follow some of the points made by both the people who supports this expansion and the people who are against it.
I like the concept art as far as it seems pretty well themed (expect one attraction), fun for children and best of all green! The Slinky-Dog and Parachute attractions seems rather well themed too and I like that the latest "concepts" shows some place for a huge future expansion (Fingers crossed for Ratatouille Dark Ride). The area seems to have lots of little (however a bit cheap) details, which makes the difference between this and a part of the local fair ground.
However, the choice of attractions is a bit disappointing - the studios could need more family adventures and not necessarily a new Thrill-Ride (add to that that it is placed in an area, which seems to be mainly for children). Regarding this ride the size and steel structure has been discussed a lot - and it has to be themed just a bit (Hot Wheels Track?) to justify the size and structure.
Whether this will fit into the concept of the studio? Hmm, hard to say right now. An easy way to do it was to put up some studio signs as has been said earlier or perhaps a giant boomstick coming in through the greenery :lol:
Overall however I am satisfied - it could be way better coming from Disney, but still the area seems well themed and green, which the studios is in serious need of! I won't make my final judgement until I see the final product, but this could turn pretty good :)
Quote from: "pussinboots"(Also, with the crowds the resort has been seeing these past few years, can we still not afford something a little more extravagant? Couldn't just a tiny bit of that placemaking masterplan from a few years ago have been added to this project? A hot dog stand, maybe? I just fail to why we're still partying like it's 2002.)
Don't worry, a few days before the land opens they'll wheel in one of the spare Studio Catering Co vans and throw a few Toy Story stickers on it. And I've said this before, but what happens when all these kids in Toy Story Playland need the toilet? It's a long way from anywhere. Bloody lucky there's a lot of planting...
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "pussinboots"(Also, with the crowds the resort has been seeing these past few years, can we still not afford something a little more extravagant? Couldn't just a tiny bit of that placemaking masterplan from a few years ago have been added to this project? A hot dog stand, maybe? I just fail to why we're still partying like it's 2002.)
Don't worry, a few days before the land opens they'll wheel in one of the spare Studio Catering Co vans and throw a few Toy Story stickers on it. And I've said this before, but what happens when all these kids in Toy Story Playland need the toilet? It's a long way from anywhere. Bloody lucky there's a lot of planting...
That is a horrible thought, but we all know that this is actually going to happen when it opens :x
I can only hope that we'll get a Ratatouille version of the Toilets of Terror :P
Hm, I really don't know what to say about this concept art.
May it's just the colors it is made of, but I think I don't like it.
It look strange to me somehow. Something is not right and it is not the rides.
I think I'll have to wait untill the real Toy Story Land is finished.
Man, so much negativity. Cant we at least wait until its finished, THEN criticise?
Quote from: "giorgio1712"Man, so much negativity. Cant we at least wait until its finished, THEN criticise?
It's been said before - you don't always need to see something finished to have an opinion on it. :)
It doesnt really look like my type.
I still think TSMM would be much better, went on it numerous times at WDW although it always had an overflowing que.
This idea looks somewhat cheap in my opinion although I am aware DLRP does not have as much money as the American counterparts which are fully operated by Disney.
I would say put TSMM in or save up money and build Splash Mountain in Disneyland.
What is true is that Midway Mania would have been yet another ride in a box, while Toy Story Playland will provide some nice area development. That's a good point.
If only they'd come up with a better idea. But what?
A member on MiceChat has this excellent theory about Disney no longer engaging in "themeing" or "escapism," but rather in branding. They include just enough movie references and graphics for the thing to pass as a Disney ride, but not enough to fully transport you. You're not really in outer space, you're in the Disneyland Park looking at Buzz Lightyear props. You're not in Radiator Springs, you're in the Walt Disney Studios looking at a bunch of stuff you saw in Cars.*
The result of that "branding" is that whole areas of parks have lost their pivot and now cease to make sense. (As I've bitched about endlessly, of course.)
I wish they had consistently continued the Mid-Century/Art Deco thing throughout the park, just like almost every part of the Disneyland Park has a 19th Century vibe to some degree (even Small World.) That could have tied everything together, and given the Imagineers a "starting point," something to work with. Toon Studio could have been Whimsical Deco, Hollywood Boulevard and Production Courtyard Glam Deco and the Backlot Industrial 1930s Deco. It would have been marvelous, wouldn't it. Go see The Aviator and tell me you disagree, haha.
But the way Toon Studio is now, I suppose they might as well do another loopy Andy's Room thing. I give up. Bring on the 80 ft. steel carny rides...
*Yes, Fantasyland doesn't really support that whole argument, with its multiple Dumbos and all. But at least that's the world's most appealing version of that branding approach — Dumbo doesn't sit in some depressing corner with a flat backdrop, after all. There's also the fact that Fantasyland was covered in an old-timey storybook glaze, while the recent rides are only harmonized by being "colorful."
*** Toy Story Land – The Case for the Defence ***
I've just read the last two pages of this thread and I've read almost nothing but negative comments. Yes some of your comments are justified and indeed everyone has the right to an opinion – but I thought I would lay out a case for the defence. Laying out all the pro's and commenting on some of your con's.
Firstly, please bear in mind that this is not just a new ride at the Studios park – this is a WHOLE NEW LAND! When the Disney Studios were first opened the fan community slated the park for lacking any magic. It had too many cold, bare buildings and lacked the heart and soul you expect from a Disney park. Since then it has tried to expand and improve.
The addition of Tower of Terror was kind of a given but the expansion of the Animation Courtyard into the Toon Studio was a huge step forward. Suddenly you had a park split down the middle. Everything on the left side was "real life" movie studio and everything on the right was the world of cartoons. The inclusion of "Finding Nemo" and "Cars" themed attractions and decorations quickly led to possibility of a full-on "Pixar Land". Essentially what the Imagineers have done is take what was once a "serious" and indeed an "adult" park and keep sprinkling it with more and more child-friendly attractions until you have a park suitable for the whole family.
I don't think anyone expected the popularity of Crush's Coaster with kids as well as adults. As such it quickly became one of DLRP's longest queues at any time of the year. How do you solve this problem? Simple. Distract the kids with more and more shiny things! Stitch Live, Playhouse Disney Live and now Toy Story Land. But creating a whole new land with three – count them THREE – new rides, this can only ease the queues on the older rides.
Right I'm going to take some of your negatives one by one. Please note these have been paraphrased somewhat...
"Grr! How dare Disney give us some cheap, off the counter rides and theme them to look like toys!"
Ok guys, calm down. In case you hadn't noticed, there is a major world financial crisis going on at the moment. As such everyone is tightening their belts and that includes the House of Mouse – just count yourself lucky you can afford expensive trips to Disneyland anyway!
Yes the rides may be cheaper than you would normally expect from Disney and ok, maybe they are not custom made to Disney's specifications – but you THREE OF THEM!! Three brand new rides in a themed area opening at the same time in practically unheard of.
Besides, are you seriously telling me that Disney has never bought an off the counter ride before? Hello?!! Crush's Coaster is a standard "Spinball Whizzer" spinning coaster with a few projectors and rubber shark that occasionally moves forwards. Indiana Jones is a standard Wild Mouse coaster with a loop. Orbitron, Dumbo Flyers, Flying Carpets – they are all just standard merri-go-round rides. The difference is the theming!
Disney does theming like no-one else on the planet! Yes these rides may be seen at other parks around the world – but where are you going to see them surrounded by giant toys and a scale that makes you feel like you are a monkey from the Barrel-o' looking up at god-like action figures? The concept art (which is for Hong Kong remember so it could be slightly different) is packed with little Disney-details. The Pixar Star Ball is there, the queue line for RC is a Scalextric (slot-car) track, you enter through a Barrel-o'-Monkeys and walk past ten-foot high steel jacks. Ok this may not feel like you're walking onto a film set – but it will feel like you are in the Land of Toy Story!!
"Grr!!! Look at that ugly steel coaster – it'll ruin the whole look of the Studio Park!"
Will it? Will it really? Ok how tall are you expecting this thing to be? There is no way it'll be as tall as ToT. I doubt it will be much higher than the Hollywood Facade. In that case – will you see it at all?
From the entrance to Disney Studios you can see almost nothing of the rides awaiting within. The only idea that anything lies beyond those big square lumps of terracotta is the Tower of Terror. One of the reasons the Studios had very low attendance in its first year was that most parents felt the park didn't look very inviting or magical. I doubt you will be able to see the ride dominating the skyline behind Studio 1 – but if it does... would that be a bad thing?
The whole concept of Toy Story Land is to bring more kids into the kid-friendly right-hand half of the park and to promote the latest Disney Pixar film. Three new rides will do that! Especially three new eye-catching rides with two of them dominating the skyline!
"Grr!! Why don't they put in the Midtown Madness ride!"
This is a WHOLE NEW LAND they are constructing here – do you think that if it is successful then Disney will just leave it at that? The rides they have built are based on Slinky Dog, RC Car and the plastic Army Men. They have started with the minor characters – then they can add the major ones later! To do it the other way round would lessen the lesser characters!
Rumours about dark rides have been brewing for years – Ratatouille, Little Mermaid, Winnie The Pooh – I personally think the age of the dark ride is over and it is time to try something different.
With Disney's Californian Adventure they tried to recreate the style of old fashioned fun-fairs on a grand Disney Scale. I don't think that there is anything wrong with using traditional fun-fair rides as long as they are themed to fit it with the style.
"Grr!! But they will look so out of place!"
Does a Victorian Carousel look out of place next to a Medieval Castle? No. They why would a whole load of new Pixar themed rides look out of place next to two other established Pixar themed rides?
I know this discussion is far from over – but I am genuinely excited about the whole concept. I have taken the concept art and made it my PC background. This will be a great expansion for the Disney Studios and anything that lessens the wait time on Crush's Coaster is good in my book!
I could contradict all of your comments Magic M, but I'd only be repeating things I've said before.
To answer you're question...
Quote from: "Magic M"Ok how tall are you expecting this thing to be?
It's going to be 35 metres - about 115 feet. Please bear in mind that the mountain at Big Thunder is 119ft, so it's going to be pretty big.
Quote from: "Magic M""Grr!! Why don't they put in the Midtown Madness ride!"
I personally think the age of the dark ride is over and it is time to try something different.
That's where you lost me. Ride the trackless Winnie the Pooh, Monsters Inc in Tokyo or Indiana Jones Adventure (none of which I've had to fortune to do) and you'd probably see the age of the dark ride most certainly isn't over.
It's not a good idea to bring up the fact that DCA has Disney-themed fairground rides either, since they're now being rescued with... a dark ride!
And this "IT'S A WHOLE NEW LAND!" thing isn't really true, since if it
were a whole new land (which it isn't, in WDS it'll be a forgiveable subland of Toon Studio, not tacked onto the side of Adventureland, a la Hong Kong), then it'd surely have a restaurant or shops or toilets or anything that shows Euro Disney SCA are willing to actually
invest in the park.
As I've said before, I don't doubt that the park needs these three quick additions, more "Disney", more for younger kids and more continuous rides rather than shows -- the REAL test will be whether they're followed up by the Ratatouille (or other) dark ride we all want. If that doesn't happen, if they concentrate on renamed Restaurant en Coulisse to Restaurant de Studio 1 instead,
then the park is 100% doomed.
Aww come on, you can't judge a theme park by counting how many shops, restaurants and toilets there are. It's a theme park not a shopping center.
I agree toilets are important, but how many hours a day do you spend in restaurants or shops compared to the amount of time in rides.
I think, the whole problem with Toy Story Playland is, that it is about Toy Story. I agree there is a slightly overkill with Toy Story.
I'm not a very big fan of Toy Story, but I can live with it.
But if TSP would have been called Atlantica Playland (Ariel), Hundred Acre Wood Playland (as bad as TSP) or anything from any other Disney blockbuster movie, almost everbody would be ok with this land.
Quote from: "Reiana"But if TSP would have been called Atlantica Playland (Ariel), Hundred Acre Wood Playland (as bad as TSP) or anything from any other Disney blockbuster movie, almost everbody would be ok with this land.
not me, I love Toy Story (in fact if it were pooh, I would hate it even more). for me, the problem is the canival rides and cheap theming that could be in any amusement park. Disney used to give us immersive adventures, not so much anymore (at least it looks like Hong Kong has a few things to look forward to that gives some faith).
this is a poor design choice on almost every single level. Heck, at least the cute and rubbish flik's Fune Faire has the excellent Tough to be a Bug as an anchor.
As for waiting, it is too late then. and the stupid economy remarks? Well building nothing there for now would be preferable. It is cheaper and easier to build something cool on a blank lot than be stuck with carnival rubbish for a long time.
This blows, and is probably the worst permanent thing I have ever seen planned for DLP ever (bearing in mind I still miss Le Visionarium, think Mission 2 is a far cry from the original SM and am not a fan of what they did to Cottonwood Creek).
Maybe people should compare Toy Story playland to Pocahontas Indian Village in Disneyland Park, which is just a playground with climping frames. TSP looks much more impressive than that. Walt Disney had carny rides in this theme park. I don't think I'll be spending much time in TSP, but if it proves popular with children then I think it will have achieved its goal. There wasn't enough in the studios for kids to go on, only Animagique and the Flying Carpets. And for any business cost does come into it. The flying Carpets, Dumbo and Orbitron are all the same ride, I know the themeing is different. At least in TSP we're going to see some unique rides to Disneyland Paris. To be fair Disney as a company has to move on, it can't stand still in the 60's and 70's.
Quote from: "Reiana"Aww come on, you can't judge a theme park by counting how many shops, restaurants and toilets there are. It's a theme park not a shopping center.
I agree toilets are important, but how many hours a day do you spend in restaurants or shops compared to the amount of time in rides.
Well amongst all the boo-hah about the theme (I completely agree that rather a lot of people slated it immediately because it's Pixar/Toy Story-themed), I thought that was a worthy argument to make.
I like the idea of the land, the concept art (yeah, shoot me), but Disney parks really need this filling, this glue between the attractions to function properly. Even Hong Kong have recognised this with a restaurant and/or boutique in each of their tiny new lands. Toon Studio has
nothing! I can only hope the plan is that the supposed dark ride brings these with it, and that's why they aren't planning the same Toy Story boutique Hong Kong is.
On one hand we're being told Disney are forcing branding everywhere, on the other they're building a land themed to toys with absolutely no merchandise locations! It's very confusing.
Anyway, what
is going on on the construction site?
HK Disneyland is tiny compared to Disneyland Paris and that's with the three new areas, if they ever get built, it's not certain they will. Disneyland Paris has a lot more going for it. At the studios they seem to be concentrating on the new rides which is right. But at the moment it's just a picture, I quess we'll have to wait and see how it turns out.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "Reiana"Aww come on, you can't judge a theme park by counting how many shops, restaurants and toilets there are. It's a theme park not a shopping center.
I agree toilets are important, but how many hours a day do you spend in restaurants or shops compared to the amount of time in rides.
Well amongst all the boo-hah about the theme (I completely agree that rather a lot of people slated it immediately because it's Pixar/Toy Story-themed), I thought that was a worthy argument to make.
I like the idea of the land, the concept art (yeah, shoot me), but Disney parks really need this filling, this glue between the attractions to function properly. Even Hong Kong have recognised this with a restaurant and/or boutique in each of their tiny new lands. Toon Studio has nothing! I can only hope the plan is that the supposed dark ride brings these with it, and that's why they aren't planning the same Toy Story boutique Hong Kong is.
On one hand we're being told Disney are forcing branding everywhere, on the other they're building a land themed to toys with absolutely no merchandise locations! It's very confusing.
Anyway, what is going on on the construction site?
To be honest, I spend a lot more time in restaurants and shops than I do on rides. But I do realize I'm not exactly the average Disney guest...
But even when I'm there with other, less boring people, we don't just hop from ride to ride, and I sincerely doubt that anyone does — well, except teenage boys. A Disney park is a complex experience. There's the basis of park atmosphere, that's what your day starts with and ends with. In between, there are thrills, sights, sounds, flavors, purchases, and the occasional pee. You need all of this. Toon Studio is evolving into a substantial land which still lacks a significant portion of those ingredients. Why?
As for the branding-sans-merchandise thing, while that's very true, I have a feeling we might be seeing the shelves of the Walt Disney Studios Store and Legends of Hollywood filled up with Toy Story paraphernalia soon. Think Constellations after Buzz Lightyear moved in.
Seriously though, how many shops and restaurants do you think the WDS needs from Disneys point of view. I'm not against a shop or restaurant in toy Story Playland, but do you think it would be a financial success at this point in time? So what if people have to walk to Legends of Hollywood or The Walt Disney store to get their Toy Story paraphernalia.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Seriously though, how many shops and restaurants do you think the WDS needs from Disneys point of view. I'm not against a shop or restaurant in toy Story Playland, but do you think it would be a financial success at this point in time? So what if people have to walk to Legends of Hollywood or The Walt Disney store to get their Toy Story paraphernalia.
Not to dwell on this subject, but do you really think it wouldn't be a financial success? Think of the crowds Crush draws to that area now, and imagine the situation once these rides open. It's not exactly a Pueblo Trading Post sort of deal.
It seems odd to me that Disney's money-making strategy is sometimes to open far too many shops, and at other times to open no shops at all. So which one works? It's quite mysterious. But anyway.
More HKDL concept art:
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Come on DLP, where's our concept art? :roll:
/ But I'm sure we can't say anything about that giant yellow slide thing, because it hasn't been built yet, and we haven't seen it in person yet.
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Just came back to post the same image. :wink: It's just FRUSTRATING that there's all this concept art (the image looks to be a photoshop of several pieces) and DLP have released nothing. I mean, if there's a concern that announcing something might impact on current attendance, why would HKDL, the worst of the lot, make a big hoopla about it? *Insert something about Shareholders needing to be told here* Clearly there's still a few more hoops for Euro Disney SCA to jump through before it's signed and sealed, or they're ashamed of the plans themselves.
As for the images... well, at least the yellow track does look like proper Hot Wheels-style track, not bare steel coaster supports as feared for months.
I'm surprised to see that the Parachute Drop is shown with only two people per parachute, though. From one plan it had looked like there might be 3 seats, but obviously not. Two words: Capacity nightmare. The whole thing. We've said it before and we'll be saying it for the next 6 months.
I really can help but dread this whole thing. Even that concept art looks really bad in my humble opinion. Is DLP definately getting this?
Quote from: "Anthony"As for the images... well, at least the yellow track does look like proper Hot Wheels-style track, not bare steel coaster supports as feared for months.
But this is
just concept art and not a plan. I doubt they'd show the bare supports.
Quote from: "Anthony"I'm surprised to see that the Parachute Drop is shown with only two people per parachute, though. From one plan it had looked like there might be 3 seats, but obviously not. Two words: Capacity nightmare. The whole thing. We've said it before and we'll be saying it for the next 6 months.
Again, this is
just concept art. So let's hope there will be three seats in reality. [-o<
Quote from: "Aveen2008"I really can help but dread this whole thing. Even that concept art looks really bad in my humble opinion. Is DLP definately getting this?
Yes. And why does it look bad in your opinion?
to me anyway it looks cheep and dose not look much like a Disney type thing i know that the world is having financial problems etc but surly they can come up with something better?
The capacity of the rides will be shocking, that side of the park is going to be a nightmare.
There is not one ride on that side of the park that eats people. The queues will be a nightmare!
The highest capacity ride will probably be Slinky Dog's ride, and thats only around 1,500 pph.
There should be at least one or two rides that goes nearly 2,000 pph.
Quote from: "Willow"There should be at least one or two rides that goes nearly 2,000 pph.
Hopefully that'll be Ratatouille when it comes...
Are there any new building pictures?
There's nothing there yet, just mud.
Vertical construction will start by the end of the year.
Photos from http://www.wdsfans.com (http://www.wdsfans.com) / www.photosmagiques.com (http://www.photosmagiques.com):
First visible progress!
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I can't tell - have the gates been fixed in position there? If so, why?
maybe jsut a gate for CM's and service vehicles for when the area opens?
But look back at the plan of the area, and shouldn't they be further to the right, closer to costuming?
who knows?
Is that the costuming building behind the area? Also, what are those large cranes in the background working on?
This is the most depressing Disney project since Primevil Whirl - bad form.
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "Aveen2008"I really can help but dread this whole thing. Even that concept art looks really bad in my humble opinion. Is DLP definately getting this?
Yes. And why does it look bad in your opinion?
It's just my opinion but it looks like something that has been fired together, the concept art looks anything but magical and just looks like a mismash of stuff put together for the sake of having more rides. I just thought disney had more magic and imagination than this. I think that vertical ride that from the concept art looks like a piece of cheap steel sticking up looks awful... I hope that it will look better in real life but in my opinion something that is just a thrill ride and lacks any real imagination and detail belongs in Alton towers or Astrix not a Disneyland park!
The only way this is going to come out good is if Toy story land is very well put together and attention to detail is paid and even then I just dread this extention! I feel like they are adding things without any real thought to the magic of disney but just to put it there for the sake of it! :(
I hope I am wrong though I really do.
Quote from: "Aveen2008"It's just my opinion but it looks like something that has been fired together, the concept art looks anything but magical and just looks like a mismash of stuff put together for the sake of having more rides. I just thought disney had more magic and imagination than this. I think that vertical ride that from the concept art looks like a piece of cheap steel sticking up looks awful... I hope that it will look better in real life but in my opinion something that is just a thrill ride and lacks any real imagination and detail belongs in Alton towers or Astrix not a Disneyland park!
Well said Aveen... well said. :wink: You've pretty much summed up what's wrong with this new area.
It worries me what else is waiting to be unveiled for WDS. Sorry for thinking the worst, but I can't help but feel more things like this are coming in the future. Although the layout of the original park was badly designed, the potential is there to become a great little park. Just as beautiful as Disneyland Park next door even, I think. TSPL just isn't helping to become that great park.
Agreed, it is very scary. And the worst thing is, concept art normally looks better than the finished product. But Aveen, even Asterix attractions are far better themed than this.
Oh god.
Surely this area won't work, will it?
TSMM would of been a better idea in my view. I really have no idea how they'll pull this of.
I've given up trying to be positive with you lot. :P
Groundwork is sooo boring, I want some proper vertical construction. Still a bit early for that though.
@willow, i will be positive with you; TSPL lovers unite!!!!!
I'm certain that if the gilted excrement in the shape of Mickey Mouse and attached a coaster to it, it would have it's fans amongst the european fan base.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I'm certain that if the gilted excrement in the shape of Mickey Mouse and attached a coaster to it, it would have it's fans amongst the european fan base.
I have to say it wouldn't with me even though I like toon things but not with this lol!
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I'm certain that if the gilted excrement in the shape of Mickey Mouse and attached a coaster to it, it would have it's fans amongst the european fan base.
Ugh, those European fans!
Oh wait, that's... most of us on here. It depends who you're calling a fan. Not every single person who posts on the forum can be considered a fan, so don't get too worried about who's amongst us.
Substitute "fan base" for "guests" however and you might have a point. Theme parks have only really been over here in the backward old world for less than 30 years. Some people maybe don't realise what a theme park can be, or what a Disney park should be.
But then, why spend €180m on Tower of Terror?
Toy Story Playland still seems like a wise investment for 2010 to me. Nothing more, nothing less. Lots of colour, lots of character, and something new that's actually designed by
Imagineering, not the Food & Beverages department and their Photoshop templates...
It also is a great marketingtool considering all the two Toy Story movies will return to the cinema (in 3D), and part three will join. DRLP can jump that marketingtrain. The profit they make can be a catalist for a positive future.
Potentially a great marketing tool, yes. But you're forgetting that the marketing people at Disneyland Paris are pretty stupid.
For example, when the Pirates of the Caribbean movies came out (all three of them), they never broadcast a TV ad highlighting the fact that Disneyland Paris actually has a Pirates of the Caribbean ride!
True... But hey, things can change
True, things can change. And I hope they do. Let's all hope that marketing realises they are opening a Toy Story land the same year Toy Story 3 comes out, and put out lots of TV ads to highlight this amazing synergy.
A Euro-wide campaign, also to attract more consumers from f.e. Germany. On TV and in the magazines.
Let's use the new DVD and Blu Ray releases. Some documentaries about Toy Story in the parks (like the Little Mermaid and Monsters Inc.).
I also see an opportunity to combine the rumored launch of Disney Channel in the Netherlands with the new area.
This was in the latest shareholders press release (you can view it here (//http://corporate.disneylandparis.com/CORP/EN/Neutral/Images/uk-2009-07-30-revenues-for-the-nine-months-ended-june-30-2009.pdf))
QuoteIn the coming months, the Company will be sharing details of new attractions that have begun construction and will be opened next year.
:roll:
Sometimes I wonder whether
they are the only ones who don't know what's being built...
Hmm, interesting, hope it's sooner rather than later.
Actrully, do you all think this topic should be counted as a rumor now that construction has started?
We usually leave the "Rumour" tag until it's been officially confirmed.
An even funnier line than the one above:
QuoteWe are closely managing our costs and have curtailed certain capital spending in this current environment. However, in line with our long-term growth strategy we continue to invest in the resort and are developing new attractions to open next year.
Sounds like rather a begrudging investment... you can tell these managers would prefer to slap some more crap on the castle and call it a theme year.
:shock: :shock: That concept art looks awful, looks like a 3yo drew it.
What about if this is just a short term project to get lots more money then once they've got all the money they need the WDS team will go all DCA and completely redo everything. [-o< Well that's a nice idea but you can tell that they're really strapped for cash at the moment because otherwise they could of included Midway Mania in the plans.
WOW that would be great!!! :mrgreen:
Quote from: "charlied"What about if this is just a short term project to get lots more money then once they've got all the money they need the WDS team will go all DCA and completely redo everything. [-o< Well that's a nice idea but you can tell that they're really strapped for cash at the moment because otherwise they could of included Midway Mania in the plans.
I don't think Disney are strapped for cash, but managing their costs. They can't build a huge new ride every year, due to time, costs and effort, so another TOT-type ride can be built every year. I think TSPL is well timed and will include some good new rides. Also, an important point to consider is that these new rides will be much more child friendly than some, evening the park out for adults and children, and will no doubt bring more younger guests over to the Studios, along with Playhouse Disney, Stitch and Cars.
Tie-in opportunities are going to be huge and if they do it right, these new rides could be the most publicised rides ever at DLP.
I honestly think that its going to be a very popular area for a lot of people, maybe not the Disney purists but for more casual visitors.
It could work very well if marketed correctly, and for a much smaller budget than a TOT or a Ratatouille.
Here are a few new pics from the construction area of TSPL!!
the pics are from disneytheque.com...
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Wow, look like a huge area. :shock:
I do love it when large holes are dug during construction.
I should imagine we will see some more work starting in the next couple of months, maybe around October - November-ish.
I'm guessing that is the foundations being started yes? Great photos by the way, hopefully we will be seeing some vertical work very soon.
OMG HOLES!!!!!!
Hopefully those are designed for all the rides to collapse into shortly after opening, falling down into a bottomless pit full of roaring flames! :twisted:
In all seriousness, I wonder what the big hole right in the middle is for? Going by the plan, it seems there will only be a pathway in that area and not a ride.
Hahaha! :lol:
You just don't even like this area don't you, RnRCj. :P
Comparing the construction of "fairground" attractions to "major" attractions like ToT or Space Mountain what sort of build time are we expecting for this project?
Will be be completed by June? July? August? Has Disney already set a deadine for this new land?
Quote from: "Magic M"Comparing the construction of "fairground" attractions to "major" attractions like ToT or Space Mountain what sort of build time are we expecting for this project?
Will be be completed by June? July? August? Has Disney already set a deadine for this new land?
Well the rumoured opening is June 2010 so i'm guessing work would be complete about April/May with finishing touches being made just before the opening.
QuoteComparing the construction of "fairground" attractions to "major" attractions like ToT or Space Mountain what sort of build time are we expecting for this project?
I'll have a look at the construction timeline of Cars, which is basically similar. Again, worth pointing out is that these are all heavily customised attractions, it's not like they're build up over night like at a local fair. The area will also see lots of theming elements and lots & lots of greenery, so that will take some time as well.
QuoteWell the rumoured opening is June 2010
The expected opening date is August 2010, but DLP management is pushing/hoping to get it open earlier.
I spotted these in Adventureland... think they could be used for TSPL's "grass" surroundings?
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They're at the bottom of the steps to the suspension bridge, near the floating bridge.
Now seriously, the park was HEAVING this week - Crush on 120mins, Cars on 40 mins (and only using one set of cars?!), RNRC on 40mins and the queue for Tower stretching through the WHOLE line and out to where High School Musical is performed on Place des Stars. It just wasn't very enjoyable. Roll on 2010 (and 2012, hopefully).
Quote from: "Anthony"Now seriously, the park was HEAVING this week - Crush on 120mins, Cars on 40 mins (and only using one set of cars?!), RNRC on 40mins and the queue for Tower stretching through the WHOLE line and out to where High School Musical is performed on Place des Stars. It just wasn't very enjoyable. Roll on 2010 (and 2012, hopefully).
That sounds pretty normal for when the schools are out. I suspect TSPL will make it worse because of low capacity. WE were at Legoland last week where we waited an average of an hour per attraction, and at Thorpe Park Yesterday, the spinners were at 30 minutes and coasters at 60-90. I expect it to be a crowd nightmare when these stupid rides open.
PM, PotC and IASW have shorter lines for a reason and it has nothing to do with popularity issues. In Walt's day, they knew capacity mattered (and so did theming).
Let's put the Walt back in Disney.
i cant wait to see this in all its glory i love toy story and anything new a dlp is fine by me :D i think that the greeness of the outside backyard will also add more colours to a already courfull part of the park :D
Quote from: "Kristof"Just put this up on WDSfans.com:
Quote from: "WDSfans"Toy Story Playland decorated fences soon.
Posted by Kristof on Friday, June 19 2009
Grandmath reports on Disney Central Plaza that decorations will soon be placed on the blue construction fences currently circling the Toy Story Playland.
He says they will be in the same vain as the decorations during the Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast and Toon Studio constructions.
These would be the first real public confirmations of the project.
To be continued...
Source: Disney Central Plaza (//http://disneycentralplaza.englishboard.net/disneyland-paris-f6/) and http://www.wdsfans.com (http://www.wdsfans.com)
How soon exactly??? :roll: :wink:
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Let's put the Walt back in Disney.
There I was thinking we might be able to go for at least a page without that. No chance!
That's what campaigning is all about!
As is this place. (//http://www.petitiononline.com/) :wink: :mrgreen:
Indeed as many channels as possible
a new pic of the costruction site of TSPL...
pic is from DCP....
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Just think what all that land could have held :(
Quote from: "lil-shawn"a new pic of the costruction site of TSPL...
pic is from DCP....
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Looks like there is plenty of construction going on. I'm more intrigued than anything else about this addition to the Studios. I'm still not happy about it (think there is too much Toy Story at DLP) but I think it will be a great addition for kids which is what the Studio needs I suppose.
I've said this before, but I'll say it again. The Walt Disney Studios fantasy that many of us dream about already exists, it's just not in France. Save up and go to either Disney's Hollywood Studios or Universal Studios in Florida. Both of these parks feature beautiful, immersive, richly themed environments, and huge World-class attractions. And the best part is, they're already built; they're in the present, not in the distant future.
The Walt Disney Studios park may never be in the same league as Disney's Hollywood Studios or Universal Studios. Of course, it would be great if it was, but Disney don't seem to be taking that direction. Toy Story Playland is taking up a huge chunk of land and reduces the possibilities of Hollywood and New York environments being built in the future.
The more they build what we don't want, the less likely it is the park will turn into what we DO want.
After strolling around WDS last week, and I can say that I'm still 100% against this project. This was totally the sort of thing I didn't feel like doing whilst I was there.
WDS already has it's carnival rides - the Flying Carpets and Cars. No need for more.
Yep, just when you think WDSP is on the right track with things like ToT, Stitch Live and Playhouse Disney Live, they go and throw in a bunch of junk that make it seem worse than Adventureland in Southend or Flamingoland.
Not to mention the awful capacity on these things.
Take the half-pipe. It carries only 16 people each time. Lets say the ride cycle will be 1 and a half minutes. Add another two minutes or so for people to get on/off and secure the restraints.
*gets calculator*
That roughly 275 people per hour. No where near enough for one of the busiest parks in the world.
Anyone know offhand what the throughput is on Crush so we can compare?
According to this source, it is a paltry 930 people per hour:
http://www.ultimatecoaster.com/spring.asp?CID=786 (http://www.ultimatecoaster.com/spring.asp?CID=786)
Compare this to RNRC at 1588
TOT - 2000
Phantom Manor 2000-2400
PotC - 3000
No wonder the queues are crazy.
Interesting numbers. Here are some more...
Toy Story Mania! - 1200 pph
Soarin' - 1400 pph
Indiana Jones Adventure - 2400 pph
Why are Disney in Paris so intent on building cheap, low-capacity rides?
Crush's Coaster will be more than 930 per hour. A Standard Maurer Söhne Xtended SC 2000 is 930 per hour.
The dark ride section would have added more capacity, not much, but some.
The Halfpipe will be 1000-ish. (Depending on it being an Intamin Halfpipe or a Zamperla Disk-O)
The Music Express will be 1500. (Mack)
The Parachute Drop will be probably around the same. (Intamin's website doesn't have the details)
Quote from: "Willow"The Halfpipe will be 1000-ish.
That would involve people boarding the car, securing the restraints, going through the whole ride cycle, and leaving the car - all in under one minute. Just not going to happen. :(
I told everyone in my group last week what was being built behind the the construction fences whilst we were on the Tram Tour, and I'm not kidding, every one of them reacted with something along the lines of "oh........ that's rubbish".
Quote from: "Alan"Why are Disney in Paris so intent on building cheap, low-capacity rides?
You answered your own question there. Because they're cheap ;)
I'm still very confident over this project but the capacity rate numbers are interesting. I think though the halfpipe will be more towards the 1000 mark than 200/300. Also you've compared them with rides than are well know for their high capacity, i wonder if we could get hold of info about smaller scale rides than are more like the TSP ones (Cars, teacups, flying capets (if anyone goes on that :P ) etc).
But the point with Disney attractions is they need high capacity attractions, especially ones for the whole family as far as WDSP is concerned.
WDW's tea cups have a capacity of 1100 per hour.
Magic Carpets is 1000 (and look at the horrible waits for them since Crush opened - now some may say, that's why we need more, I would offer that a proper dark ride would be a better investment).
Cars Race rally is 900 - 1000 (again with very long waits)
These carnival rides are also not a lot of fun in winter. At least the tea cups are under cover, but non of the carnival rides for WDSP are.
At the risk of sounding like a DCA basher (which for the record, I like DCA), building nothing would have been better than building something. At least there is then the prospect of something amazing going in later on down stream.
Not every attraction has to be an E ticket, but WDSP needs all the help it can get, and I think this is frankly the opposite of helping. Heck, I can go on highly themed spinners at LEgoland for a fraction of the trouble and price.
I'm totally with you guys on the capacity issue, I think the only thing we agree on relating to Toy Story Playland!
If Disney go for the Mega Disk-O from Zamperla/Intamin Half Pipe each ride cycle will be around 2 and a half minutes.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Not to mention the awful capacity on these things.
Take the half-pipe. It carries only 16 people each time. Lets say the ride cycle will be 1 and a half minutes. Add another two minutes or so for people to get on/off and secure the restraints.
*gets calculator*
That roughly 275 people per hour. No where near enough for one of the busiest parks in the world.
Anyone know offhand what the throughput is on Crush so we can compare?
I don't think TSL capacity will be too much of a problem judging by some opposition to it here. I don't think any of you will be visiting that part of the park will you seen as you think it will be awful? :D
Just joking btw.
I've heard something really interesting during my last trip in August.
I've made a Guided Tour and talked a 'lil bit with the Tour Guide.
I also told her about the rumours etc... She said that she doesn't know the
theming of the upcoming attractions, but she knows, that there are only 2 attractions being built. Do you think that's reliable?
She also said that Disney is planing to open a 3rd Gate before the end of 2017, because of a contract with France or something like that... :?
Let's wait, hope and see :D
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"These carnival rides are also not a lot of fun in winter. At least the tea cups are under cover, but non of the carnival rides for WDSP are.
Oh yeah, now that's a real issue!
I've been meaning for a while to post a topic wondering why they never even attempted any covered walkways at WDS. But more than that, before the tiny new covered spaces of Hollywood Blvd, there wasn't a single space, outside of attractions or restaurants, to hide from the rain.
So now, imagine when we're enjoying [sic] Toy Story Playland in 2010, stood right at the back near RC Racer. It starts to rain. You suddenly need the toilet. You're suddenly hungry. You suddenly want to buy some crap merchandise. Well, sucks to be you! You'd better be a good runner.
Although in truth at least the Monkeys in a Barrel tunnel at the back will provide some shelter. And all of the attractions have fairly large and nicely customised queue buildings, which is to be applauded. So at least you'll be waiting 4hrs, needing the toilet, something to eat, for RC Racer, partially undercover.
@ EDDY: Are you sure she doesn't know the themeing, or she doesn't want to confirm it to the visitors? ;)
And do you mean a 3rd park with the 3rd gate?!? Until 2017?! Not sure about that, but I'm always curious to see something new at DLP :)!
Back to TSPL: Is there really nothing more to see behind the fences yet?! I know that Disney is always fast in building attractions, but it'd be great to see something before 2010 (and praying it will look good and not tacky)!
...written by one of the 5 guys that are curious to see TSPL and will maybe like it 8)
Quote from: "EDDY"I've heard something really interesting during my last trip in August.
I've made a Guided Tour and talked a 'lil bit with the Tour Guide.
I also told her about the rumours etc... She said that she doesn't know the
theming of the upcoming attractions, but she knows, that there are only 2 attractions being built. Do you think that's reliable?
She also said that Disney is planing to open a 3rd Gate before the end of 2017, because of a contract with France or something like that... :?
Let's wait, hope and see :D
Lol. There will be three attractions. Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop, RC Racer and Slinky Dog's Zig-Zag Spin. And lots of photo locations.
Don't always believe what tour guides say. When I did the WDS tour, the tour guide said he found most of his information on a website called WDSfans.com :lol:
Quote from: "Kristof"When I did the WDS tour, the tour guide said he found most of his information on a website called WDSfans.com :lol:
Brilliant! :lol: :lol:
Quote from: "Kristof"Don't always believe what tour guides say. When I did the WDS tour, the tour guide said he found most of his information on a website called WDSfans.com :lol:
Haha! How did you reply to that? :lol:
Based on the model currently on show at the D23 Expo Toy Story Playland looks a bit, erm... boring, doesn't it? :P
http://img25.yfrog.com/img25/8618/hkds.jpg (http://img25.yfrog.com/img25/8618/hkds.jpg)
Quote from: "Willow"Based on the model currently on show at the D23 Expo Toy Story Playland looks a bit, erm... boring, doesn't it? :P
http://img25.yfrog.com/img25/8618/hkds.jpg (http://img25.yfrog.com/img25/8618/hkds.jpg)
It certainly looks a bit bare haha!
Yep. :lol:
Not much it looks like in that area. :roll:
The original Toy Story Playland themed model was moved to Paris earlier this year.
Hat model is HKDL right? One thing it does make you realise is the height of the attractions compared with the other new lands there ....
Agreed. Going from left to right, you have a mountain with a highly themed western environment, then an interesting Manor house in the forest, then standing as tall if not taller are some carnival rides that will have giant cartoon rubbish around them.
And people wonder why I am sooooo angry about this? Why I have let my AP lapse for the first time in 10 years? This is one of the worst things Disney has designed since Mickey Starland in Florida (with the possible exception of Chester and Hesters or the Boardwalk at DCA)
As someone on MiceChat said about that photo - it just shows how late Toy Story Land was added to their project. They haven't even had chance to add any of the colour or trees. Very weird.
Seriously, don't base your expectations on this.
I'm not, after 30+ years of pouring over concept art, taking part in focus groups, and seeing what Disney can do. I knew TSPL would be rubbish before it opened, just like I knew Crush would be a nightmare, and ToT at WDSP would work out great!
From WDSfans:
Quote from: "WDSfans"Naming the attractions
Posted by Kristof on Thursday, September 10 2009
The official names of the three Toy Story Playland attractions will be:
Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop
RC Racer
Slinky Dog's Zig-Zag Spin
Nothing surprising really. I think all three of them could have been a little more creative, but I suppose the quality of the names matches the quality of the land.........
I don't like the last one, surely
Slinky Dog's Zig-Zag Spin is much harder to say than
Crush's Turtle Twister?? :lol:
...and now I've found something else - mouetto at Disney Central Plaza has posted the first visuals of the land:
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Once again, terrible visuals. :( They look as if they were made by 12 year olds learning how to use Photoshop in an IT class.
i think the visulas look great and colourfull just what WDS needs and i think is the rc race ride tack is green then its gunna look fine cant wait till next year to see how this is turns out :D and i also hope it rings some new photo ops and chatacters to the studios :D:D:D
Oh my. I can't get over how poor these visuals are? Particularly the first one! I think the parachute drop poster is the "best" of the 3, but the other 2 are bad.
It's really not hard to make a decent visual in Photoshop, or any other software.
Quote from: "luke85"I think the parachute drop poster is the "best" of the 3, but the other 2 are bad.
The parachute one does look best but is ruined by the out of place Buzz and Woody. Why do they need to be there?
I forgot to mention the bright green halfpipe track with bare purple supports. That's gonna look great on the WDS skyline. :sick:
Disney should be embarrassed by this mess.
Wow - bad, bad, bad visuals (I still hold a small hope that the land will look better), but I agree that the Parachute Drop visual is the best - by far! Without Woody and Buzz that one would have been perfect in my opinion
There's one good thing about Toy Story Playland. At least when you stand in it, you should be surrounded by attractions with a similar theme. So you should feel pretty immersed in this land of giant toys, because they're in a contained 360 degree environment.
That's my problem with Crush's Coaster and Cars Race Rally. They're totally different themes, facing each other, so you can't get fully immersed in either one. Kind of like putting a Frontierland and an Adventureland attraction facing each other.
Oh dear, it appears we've found something i don't like about TSP :shock:
The names could be better, but then again what could they be changed to? I for one can't think of anything that is as clear as them (with the expection of Zig-zag spin, i predict a name change will be in order, it's just got to sound strange in french :P ).
And the visuals... The first one looked good, apart from RC Racer, i was hoping the track would be a bright orange (like the old Hot Wheels tracks) but maybe the green will blend in with it's surroundings ;)
Then i saw the other two, i thought "oooh dear.." It just looks like a photoshop (by a 12 year i don't think so, i'm 15 and still can't get my head around it :P ). Buzz and Woody look like they were just ripped out from the first picture they found on Google Images. Shame :(
I like the visuals. I can't see anything wrong with them. They certainly tell us what Toy Story Playland will be about. The characters look like they've jumped out of the film.
I love Toy Story, but I sure hate this land.....
I don't think the visuals a completely bad, but they're far from perfect. The main problem with them all is the fact that they've just recycled old images which clearly stand out as that (look at Buzz in the first one; how is he possibly stading like that?!?). What they really need to do is to get Pixar to create some exclusive posters and visuals for the land and the rides, after all they know the characters well enough, and surely it wouldn't be too much hastle for them (they could even create them whilst creating the Toy Story 3 promotions) :)
The images would make nice toy story posters but they don't look like they are advertising anything really. I hate the thought of this land and have done from day one, I hope to be wrong about it but so far nothing is convincing me that I am going to be.
as I said before, I wish they would stop wasting money on things and put money into updating some of the rides they have especially the Studio Tram tour!
Now I'm not the biggest fan of the new land but I honestly can't see what everyone is moaning about regarding these posters. Anyway how are we to know if these are even the finalised images?
This new area really is going to be a wait and see IMHO.
ok i feel like im missing something here, whats wrong with the posters??? i like the first one especially the cheeky t-rex sneeking in shot
Nothing wrong with the posters at all, they look bright and colourful.
Phew im not alone on the posters hehe i love them and sure love toy story and im sure the lan will look fine it is disney were talking about just have alittle faith and im sure well all be saying wow im loving this new land
Quote from: "Willow"Nothing wrong with the posters at all, they look bright and colourful.
If they made some dog turd bright and colourful, would you like that too?
:wink:
Whole lotta moanin' going on :lol:
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I kinda like the posters...
Yeah, you can see why I led with the logos on DLRP Today. Seeing these at the same time as the awesomeness of the D23 Expo is depressing to say the least.
They look like internal presentation art (infact apparently they were), not something that should be published for use in brochures and print ads.
Why do Paris never release the actual WDI concept art for new attractions? We were treated to the same spectacular sh-cough-t for crush, cars and tower. Crap crap crap!!
I LOVE the posters and think the whole idea of Toy Story Playland is really going to make Walt Disney Studios much better!
I really don't see what everyone's moaning about, it hasn't even been built yet!
So please just wait and see, then you can judge it :)
I think my boys are going to love this. The posters are bright enough to grab your kids attention and start going wild so parents may consider going to DLP. It is just another gimmick for the kids nag factor. lol
I think maybe Disney is aiming to have something that both parents and child can enjoy together. Buzz is such a hit with the adults that they must've assumed TS would be perfect. Maybe they are not living up to everyone's expectations but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Fingers crossed it will be a different atmosphere when you are in the midst of the park and everyone will be drawn in.
I like the posters. In no way are they rubbish in my view. As yet I've not seen any one produce anything better regarding Toy Story Playland. There's todays challenge, let's see what people can come up with. And if we don't like it we can tell them what utter rubbish it is. I'm sure they wont mind.
Quote from: "ed-uk"I like the posters. In no way are they rubbish in my view. As yet I've not seen any one produce anything better regarding Toy Story Playland. There's todays challenge, let's see what people can come up with. And if we don't like it we can tell than what utter rubbish it is. I'm sure they wont mind.
These posters are in fact, very poorly made. Anyone with basic knowledge of photo editing programs would know that. And it doesn't take a genius to notice that the characters are just the standard stock images plonked over the top. Compare these posters to the posters for Disneyland Park attractions and notice the huge quality difference. Heck, even HKDL has better posters than this and they added Toy Story Land at the last minute.
The posters for Toy Story land at HKDL are different, I'll give you that. But the posters for Toy Story Playland at DLP do tie in very well with the next Toy Story film, which I thought was the idea. What 's wrong with useing the characters from the film ? They look like the characters from the film in the poster. The message in the posters is loud and clear, why does it have to be clever?
I'll say it again:
Quote from: "RnRCj"These posters are in fact, very poorly made.
It's not the contents of the poster that is bad, it's the design.
Why, for example, have Buzz and Woody been badly edited into the parachute poster? Without them, that poster would have been acceptable in my view.
It's the same with all three posters - Toy Story characters just copied from the standard stock images and pasted over the top of the picture. It's very noticable that there's no thought gone into it.
I can't believe how some of you can support this rubbish. Do you really want DLP to head in this direction?
The message in the posters is loud and clear. The characters are instantly recognizable, we don't have to try and work out what it's all about. They tie in nicely with Toy Stor 3 which is released next year I believe. Most people who like the films and the characters will enjoy these posters, they wont stop to think about the editing. I don't know how they made the posters, it doesn't have to be clever, I just have to like it. We'll just have to agree to differ on this one.
QuoteThese posters are in fact, very poorly made. Anyone with basic knowledge of photo editing programs would know that. And it doesn't take a genius to notice that the characters are just the standard stock images plonked over the top. Compare these posters to the posters for Disneyland Park attractions and notice the huge quality difference. Heck, even HKDL has better posters than this and they added Toy Story Land at the last minute.
I think you have answered yourself there, I infact quite like the artwork and have no knowledge of photoshop etc, heck most people dont know how to use a mobile phone properly, so to me as someone who obviously has no basic knowledge they are ok. I quite like the one with the t-rex in it but am not so keen on the parachute one, i think it looks boring.
I will say it one more time, since it doesn't seem to have gone in:
Quote from: "RnRCj"These posters are in fact, very poorly made.
Why on earth are you supporting
poorly made posters?! Just because they're colourful and include Buzz and Woody in every one doesn't mean they are instantly great.
Just look at Woody in the parachute poster - it's the exact same image as in the first poster, only reversed! Blatantly a very bad copy/paste job.
If you want DLP to keep decreasing in quality, then continue supporting this rubbish. It's up to you. But I want DLP to get better and return to having the quality that it once had. I'm not disliking these posters for the sake of it. It's for the sake of DLP's future.
I'm going to agree with RnRCj on this one (for once :P ). The posters are indeed poorly made, most of the characters seem very out of place in the posters (my example is Bullseye in the first poster) but what is worse is the fact they just used stock images of Buzz and Woody. For example take the visual poster of Buzz Laser Blast;
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Now that may be a stock image of buzz (or more likey just a copy from Astro Blast) but at least it's been created well. This proves that it can be done well and professionally, and still sends out the same message and be colourful/recognizable etc. I don't know if either they were in a rush for the D23 Expo (where these released there?) or just lazy.
Also does anyone think the last two posters would look 10 times better without Buzz and Woody? There isn't really any need for them IMO. We all know where the Toy Soilders and RC comes from plus we didn't see Nemo popping up in every poster of Crush Coaster.
Quote from: "disneyloverjessie"I really don't see what everyone's moaning about, it hasn't even been built yet!
So please just wait and see, then you can judge it :)
Complete and utter rubbish. concept art is there for a reason, to unify the concept, to be a key point of communication, to ensure consistency in the build process.
this is one of the worst things to ever grace a Disney park, along with Fliks fun fair and Chester and Hester. I have seen the concept art of both and been to both.
Believe me, if you like this junk, you will probably like the land. If you do not like the concept art, you are unlikely to like the area.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Also does anyone think the last two posters would look 10 times better without Buzz and Woody? There isn't really any need for them IMO. We all know where the Toy Soilders and RC comes from plus we didn't see Nemo popping up in every poster of Crush Coaster.
Definitely! I would like the parachute poster if it wasn't for Buzz and Woody being there. I still hate the ride itself though. :twisted:
I still like the poster despite how it is made, whether it be stock or not or whatever, my least favourite is the parachute one, what we dont know is if these will be used or where they mocked up just for the expo. If the quality is as bad as said then that would make sense. Everyones taste is different and perception is personal. I hate some of the posters that are used in the queue area of rnrc, i havent studied their artistic qualities and im sure they are made to the highest standard, its just they arent my cup of tea :D ( ps the ride still rocks! )
I agree. If a person likes a poster, any poster thats fair enough. However it's made. It's got nothing to do with the land. It's all to do with copy paste and editing. Some people don't like it, so we shouldn't like it either, because they know more about it than we do. Or so they would have us believe.
Quote from: "ed-uk"As yet I've not seen any one produce anything better regarding Toy Story Playland. There's todays challenge, let's see what people can come up with. And if we don't like it we can tell them what utter rubbish it is. I'm sure they wont mind.
What a silly comment. You seem to be saying we're not qualified to have an opinion, because we didn't produce any Toy Story Playland advertising ourselves? Huh?!
When/if these appear in brochures and so on, the magicforum will be only a small minority of the public deciding "oh, 2010 at Disneyland Paris looks a bit rubbish..." and setting off to Alton Towers instead.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Also does anyone think the last two posters would look 10 times better without Buzz and Woody? There isn't really any need for them IMO. We all know where the Toy Soilders and RC comes from plus we didn't see Nemo popping up in every poster of Crush Coaster.
Yes! Yes! Actually looking at them again, the background artwork of the Toy Soldiers poster is pretty good, but then they've cut and pasted a stock image of Woody and Buzz in on top... how stupid. It looks like Burbank - or somewhere in the land of "real" Disney - produced the images and then sent them to Paris, who promptly decided, "nope, needs Woody and Buzz in there", and instead of sending them back just spliced them in... and then released them
for public use!
The RC Racer visual suffers again because of the stock image characters, but also some truly awful colour choices. Forget knowledge of Photoshop - there's the just plain human knowledge that that lime green track and red "Racer" don't look good together! Why not make the track orange like on the actual ride?
Finally, the main "poster" itself suffers from the same thing. Besides generally being about as attractive as your local school playground, the "Toy Story" logo there has been Bevel & Embossed to hell and back and the colours of "Playland" are really garish. Could they not have just reused the rather nice poster artwork from HKDL?
When I spat on these before, I was also bearing in mind the other visuals for the "NGF" events, which luckily haven't been posted yet... (stock character images ahoy..!) And really, my dislike for these images does not match my thoughts on the Imagineer's land itself, which I'm still ashamedly looking forward to.
What I would really like to know now is who did design and make the posters? How were they made? I know what people think they look like. I don't think they will be in the shops to buy anyway. But if they were I think some people would buy them. How do you go about designing a poster for a theme park, maybe somebody could tell me ? How much does it cost? If people call something rubbish, aren't people allowed to ask what they would do?
Ok, here's 10 minutes worth of Photoshopping:
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I don't know why "PLAYLAND" wasn't written with blocks like that anyway, since that's how it'll look at the land entrance. Photoshopping the blocks from the New Generation Festival logo over the original blue, green, orange, red and pink (?) letters makes it look much nicer in my opinion. More pleasing colours, less tacky.
Same for the RC Racer track - the original green clashes with the green RC himself, not to mention the green Toy Soldiers above. That's probably why the real thing will be orange, like I've switched it to be. Much warmer!
Two small changes and I'm beginning to rather like it.
o0o0o0 i love the race track in green but WOW i do have to admit it looks nice in orange too a lot less in your face and i do agree that the blocks looks better great photoshopping :D
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Nice work Ant, it looks quite a lot better like that :wink:
The one thing that is still more than anything really bothering me is the Position of Buzz, and more to the point the way he is unnaturally standing there. It's winding me up so much right now :twisted: Even to just place him simply behind the Toy Story logo would improve it significantly. If they did that, along with Ant's changes, moving the 'Playland' closer to the Toy Story logo, and increasing the WDS logo, I wouldn't actually mind it that much :wink:
Wow Ant! That looks so much better, it really is a matter of simple colour choices. 2 types of green do not look nice together, your orange is much more easy on the eye!
I prefer the building blocks idea too, again the colours on the original lettering were so jarring.
Ok... I've been away far too long...
We have the posters...
To say I like the all of the posters would be a lie... but the one for the Playland All together is not that bad.
And Ant's version add improvement it.. and is a nicer touch. Especially when you think RC you think Orange Styled Hot Wheel's tracks not green.
Some of the Characters positioning leaves a lot to be desired... and considering how Pixar are helping with the whole even of next year... why haven't they produced the outstanding posters we're so used to seeing for a Pixar Movie?
Oh well... I do like the position of Rex on the bottom though!
Very good Anthony. A wonderful thing this photoshoping. No wonder it's so popular with Disney. I wouldn't be surprised if they did more of it. I think you were right to stick to their original idea.
The main poster is my least favourite. It's way too cluttered and random. They need to get the point across which much less going on. The blank white space at the bottom makes it look worse. It's a horrible contrast to all the clutter above it.
Another problem is the positioning of the word "Playland" which makes it look seperate to the rest. It needs to read: "Toy Story Playland", and not: "Toy Story." .............. "Playland".
And as I've said before, the characters need to look like they belong in the poster, and not look like they're just the stock images quickly pasted on top!!!
In my opinion the idea of the poster from HKDL is much better. It's not really the sort of poster that would suit WDS, but it looks good because it has no randomly placed standard stock images, no garish colour choices, and no odd blank spaces!
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And it's still colourful and gets the point across!!!
im not a big fan of the hongkong poster i perfer the ones we have got they weill bring in more than the other one will and i was looking at the hongkong one and the rc racer is gunna be killer for queing :S still excited for the land a whole thou :D
Since when have Disneyland Paris made good promotional images? Look at the giant Mickey hand, and other things lately.
Just because the posters aren't very good, in some people's opinions, doesn't mean Toy Story Playland as a whole will also not be very good.
I tried my best to edit Buzz and Woody out of the parachute pic:
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Much better without them! I also made the colours a tad more vibrant.
Quote from: "Willow"Just because the posters aren't very good, in some people's opinions, doesn't mean Toy Story Playland as a whole will also not be very good.
Sorry if I've missed something, but I don't think anyone has said that.
I haven't liked the land from the very beginning. It's only a coincidence that the visuals happen to be bad too!
Wow that photoshop is brilliant J =D> The poster already looks 10 times better.
Quote from: "Willow"Since when have Disneyland Paris made good promotional images? Look at the giant Mickey hand, and other things lately.
This disagrees with you ;)
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Quote from: "-breeno-"Wow that photoshop is brilliant J =D> The poster already looks 10 times better.
Quote from: "Willow"Since when have Disneyland Paris made good promotional images? Look at the giant Mickey hand, and other things lately.
This disagrees with you ;)
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Agreed, best DLRP visual ever in my opinion :D
Have you seen this new aerial view of the Toy Story Playland construction site? Gives you a better idea of its size. I've circled the rumoured Ratatouille site in yellow:
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Interesting how the fences extend around the proposed Ratatouille area too. :wink:
Am I the only one who does not undestand, how they came to the conclusion that putting an attraaction based on Soldiers (even if they are meant to be Toy Soldiers) into a FAMLILY PARK could be a good idea? Especially having in mind that not every visitor might have seen the Toy Story movies, that the area the Parashute Drop will be in is dedicated for KIDS and that we are in Europe and not in the States, I still think that this is the biggest mistake they have made so far.
Quote from: "netjack"Am I the only one who does not undestand, how they came to the conclusion that putting an attraaction based on Soldiers (even if they are meant to be Toy Soldiers) into a FAMLILY PARK could be a good idea? Especially having in mind that not every visitor might have seen the Toy Story movies, that the area the Parashute Drop will be in is dedicated for KIDS and that we are in Europe and not in the States, I still think that this is the biggest mistake they have made so far.
Why do you think it's a mistake?
I will explain that later, but first of all new Popcorn from D23 Expo:
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RnRCj, your Toy Soldiers poster looks just how it should be! It almost looks like a proper attraction poster, quite stylised.
Quote from: "netjack"Am I the only one who does not undestand, how they came to the conclusion that putting an attraaction based on Soldiers (even if they are meant to be Toy Soldiers) into a FAMLILY PARK could be a good idea?
Maybe true. I think that's why they've been careful with the name. As far as I know it was looking like being "Army Men Parachute Drop" or something similar for a while. "Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop" makes it very clear. This is meant to be a collection of boy's toys, army and war games feature in that. Very innocently. It's hardly a WWII simulator.
Quote from: "Alan"Have you seen this new aerial view of the Toy Story Playland construction site? Gives you a better idea of its size. I've circled the rumoured Ratatouille site in yellow:
Nice work. The park looks great from that angle! It's good to see the trees they've kept at the back of TSPL too. It's quite rare for Disney to do that.
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Most of the images seem to cross over with Paris, but I'm not sure about this one. Either it's an early concept or a special design for Hong Kong. The area doesn't look right with the art we've seen so far. I like the idea of the house though.
And one final image...
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(Click to enlarge) That's the best quality available, the full image is all pixellated. Hopefully they'll fix it.
Also removed "Rumour" from the topic title (not that it has been announced :roll:) and re-wrote the first post with a new overview. Question: Do we know who's manufacturing the Slinky Dog ride system? I know "Musik Express" is a Mack ride, but might it actually be DLP friends Zamperla, since they're doing RC Racer? Same goes for Parachute Drop - it's an Intamin ride, but the version coming to Paris is looking a lot different to their version at DCA, for example. It covers a larger space and has 3 seats per parachute.
Quote from: "luke85"Why do you think it's a mistake?
Ok here is my explaination:
In my opinion a war inspired theme (or ride) is nothing I wanna see in a Disney Park. We are talking about Disney here. The place where families can forget reality for some days. I know it sounds tacky, but even Toy Soldiers are still Soldiers and I guess quite some guests might not have seen the movies so that they just see those Toy Soldiers as what they are. Boy toys where kids can play war games with.
Again: This is nothing I want to see in a Disney Park.
They had so much Themes to chose from. So why this? Now have in mind that we are talking about an area of the park (btw the only area in the WDS) that is especially designed for kids. Even within the toy story world there are enough possible themes for a ride like this. The Army Men are of course the first thing that comes to mind for a parashute ride, but it is neither a "magical" theme nor a theme some mommies and daddies might like to see.
I generally don't complain about the desicion to add some small rides tp this area of the park and a even Toy Story a main theme is fine with me: Toy Story is still popular, but I don't think that the Army Men are a good choise for a ride in a kids area in a Disney Park.
Quote from: "netjack"Quote from: "luke85"Why do you think it's a mistake?
Ok here is my explaination:
In my opinion a war inspired theme (or ride) is nothing I wanna see in a Disney Park. We are talking about Disney here. The place where families can forget reality for some days. I know it sounds tacky, but even Toy Soldiers are still Soldiers and I guess quite some guests might not have seen the movies so that they just see those Toy Soldiers as what they are. Boy toys where kids can play war games with.
Again: This is nothing I want to see in a Disney Park.
They had so much Themes to chose from. So why this? Now have in mind that we are talking about an area of the park (btw the only area in the WDS) that is especially designed for kids. Even within the toy story world there are enough possible themes for a ride like this. The Army Men are of course the first thing that comes to mind for a parashute ride, but it is neither a "magical" theme nor a theme some mommies and daddies might like to see.
I generally don't complain about the desicion to add some small rides tp this area of the park and a even Toy Story a main theme is fine with me: Toy Story is still popular, but I don't think that the Army Men are a good choise for a ride in a kids area in a Disney Park.
It's not a war inspired themed ride, It's a parachute drop ride clearly themed to the toys from the film. I understand that war should not be glorified, and I totally agree, but I genuinely don't think this attraction is doing that in any way, shape or form.
If parents object to the theming then it's entirely up to them to not allow their children to take part in the attraction, just as it would be if they objected to the theming on Phantom Manor. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I think if people chose not to let their children take part then that will be their prerogative.
Attraction based on war - how about one based on attacking a town, pillaging, getting drunk, selling/ chasing after the females of the town, torturing the mayor in a well and setting the town on fire! - real 'family' based ride aka - Pirates of the Carribean
Lol, and of course the fort in Frontierland is a military structure. To me, Disney does adult themes best and I hate the kiddy stype stuff of Disney (even when I was a kid).
In fact, some of the very best attractions in the US have war connottions - The American Adventure, Spaceship Earth, The Hall of Presidents, Great Moments with Mr Lincoln. It is the lack of educatainment (except for the likes of Moteurs Action) that really let DLP down.
And there is the Sword in the Stone , i.e what are swords used for ???
Or the evil Queen in Snow White ,who wanted to cut her heart out....
Or firing laser guns in Buzz Lightyear....
Quite a lot of gruesome violent images around a Disney park once you get started !! lol
I'm sure there are plenty more around as well
I kind of agree with you all on the following thing: There are plenty of Disney- Rides that show violence.
But there is one mayor difference to the Parashutes ride in TSPL in my opinion: Where these attractions or lands tell a story first and the scene or theme functions as part of that story, the soldiers in TSPL they will simply look like a collection of plastic soldiers (with guns, walkie talkies, etc), especially for persons that haven't seen the moviesm in lifesize, right in front of you. To me this is a difference.
If I would be the one to choose for a theme, I would have themed the entire area as an extension of the Toon Studios,, what means we can add varios cartoon and pixar themed rides.
This would give us the opportunity to theme the Paratower after Duck Tales for example (Scrooge McDuck and the Kids on top of the cabins and the ride is located close to a small articial mountain with a waterfall) or as a kind of "fun machine" that Gyro Gearloose designed.
I really have the felling I'm the only one who would have chosen for a different theme or ride type.
Quote from: "netjack"I kind of agree with you all on the following thing: There are plenty of Disney- Rides that show violence.
But there is one mayor difference to the Parashutes ride in TSPL in my opinion: Where these attractions or lands tell a story first and the scene or theme functions as part of that story, the soldiers in TSPL they will simply look like a collection of plastic soldiers (with guns, walkie talkies, etc), especially for persons that haven't seen the moviesm in lifesize, right in front of you. To me this is a difference.
If I would be the one to choose for a theme, I would have themed the entire area as an extension of the Toon Studios,, what means we can add varios cartoon and pixar themed rides.
This would give us the opportunity to theme the Paratower after Duck Tales for example (Scrooge McDuck and the Kids on top of the cabins and the ride is located close to a small articial mountain with a waterfall) or as a kind of "fun machine" that Gyro Gearloose designed.
I really have the felling I'm the only one who would have chosen for a different theme or ride type.
I understand what you mean, but I do not agree with you - I don't see this as an attraction that glorifies war or soldiers in any way.
You say that people who haven't seen the movie can't relate to the theme. I seriously believe that the majority of this area's intended audience (the young kids) are way more familiar with Toy Story than they are with Snow White, Sword in the Stone and other "violent" attractions in DLP...
There is nothing violent about the ride, its based on one of the most popular family movie's in recent times.
There are some people on here who would also like the theme to be different, but not for the "violence". :wink:
The days of a ride involving Duck Tales are long gone....
netjack , I do follow your thinking on this themeing ,I hate to see war glorified in any way ,military bands in parades and shows (not Disney) bother me more !!
But this is a fairly innocent interpretation , the Rustler Roundup Shootin Gallery over in Frontierland is way more offensive ,as you are encouraged to use realistic guns for fun . :(
It has begun... :wink:
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Hmmm, that construction wall art. Forgive me if this sounds harsh, but it seriously looks like it was put together by French people trying to do a Disney style. It certainly doesn't look like it came out of Pixar or Walt Disney Imagineering. It makes me think "cheap" and "fake".
Aww and I was just coming in here to say it looks quite good!
Do you remember the walls for things like Crush/Cars (stuck-on cardboard pieces) or Tower of Terror (dull poster)? This is a definite improvement, though yes still far, FAR away from the quite beautiful walls all over DCA.
The one truly cheap thing about it is that it only seems to cover about a quarter of the wall!
I think it does look quite cheap !! It doesn't really get you excited about what is coming , or even hint at what it might be !
I think if it was extended across all of the blue fences it would look quite good, but just that tiny bit looks a bit rubbish.
They must be repainting the construction fence! Why else would DLP put a billboard over it? :wink:
In all honesty, I think the actual image is okay. It's just annoying how it looks like a billboard placed in front of the fence.
Maybe it was produced in a variety of pieces and hasn't been fully constructed yet? :?
It is missing one obvious thing from what I can see... a date.
Just a '2010', so people actually know to return next year.
There are 2 of these posters one as you walk between stt and toon studio and the other is whilt you are On stt going round the first bend. I haven't uploaded my pics from the last few days so I am not sure if I got the whole banner
ooo the constuction fence look nice and again i love the slinky poster but that could jus tbe the face that he is my fav character :D
OMG :?
Whats the problem there at DLP?
Look at Slinky on the fence - he looks so ... CHEAP!
Why isn´t a DisneyPark able to make posters that look like Disney!!!!
And why do such bad things happen more and more often!?
And why do these cheap posters always appear at DLRP? Look at DCA, that's how the fences should look like.
Maybe in the future some concept art will appear on the construction fences.
I guess Pixar must have liked it since they approved.
For all you anti-Halfpipers, at least Disney didn't go with Vekoma and their Big Air model, this beast has just opened in Taiwan.
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Here's what the construction walls look like over at Disney's California Adventure:
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Awww don't post that picture. :( It really shows how bad our construction fences are.
Why do DLP always settle with mediocre stuff?? The crappy posters, crappy visuals, crappy construction fences... what would Walt have said if he was here?
Quote from: "Willow"For all you anti-Halfpipers, at least Disney didn't go with Vekoma and their Big Air model, this beast has just opened in Taiwan.
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How tall is that thing?
^I think I read somewhere that it's 60 metres tall. TSPL's halfpipe will be just over half that size.
Quote from: "RnRCj"^I think I read somewhere that it's 60 metres tall.
That's about the height of TOT!
as promised more pics of the fence
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Thanks for the photos smurfy/David. Aside from the very off-model faces of Slinky and Buzz (must have been done by the people who did the Constellations figure), it's not that bad. The best themed fences we've had this decade. Which is depressing...
Another thing to moan about -- haven't they covered up the lights for this path with the fences? In DCA they put replacement ones on the top of the walls. I know there are still some on the Art of Disney side of the path, but it must be pretty dark down there now...
I was messing around with the RC Racer poster last week, trying to turn the track orange:
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And now look what's just been released officially today:
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So at least we're on the same page on one thing!
Imagineering hadn't made a final decision yet about the colour of the ride's track. Green or orange... So I guess that's confirmed now.
Ahh ok, thanks! Orange is probably best, even if it'll be more noticeable against the trees.
Quote from: "RnRCj"^I think I read somewhere that it's 60 metres tall. TSPL's halfpipe will be just over half that size.
Confirmed as 25 metres (about 82ft) tall in the latest official text:
QuoteRC Racer
Andy's speediest toy car is sure to get you and your family's adrenaline pumping. RC Racer is the most thrilling new ride in Toy Story Playland. Race along a 25 metre-high half-pipe coaster, as RC zooms you around at full speed...it's a real gas.
What is "it's a real gas" even meant to mean? That phrase was used for Cars too.
Anyway, Tower of Terror is 183ft, so RC Racer will be about as high as the bit that sticks out the front. Not too bad. Won't be seen from Frontierland (except the BTM lift hill) and probably won't be seen from any Hollywood Blvd expansion. It'll also be a good weenie to get people moving through the very cramped area between Crush and Cars.
25 metres (about 82ft)? Phew. And that will be the very tips of the track, so the body of the attraction won't be that high up in the air. Maybe it won't look so imposing after all.
I'm hoping that Toy Story Playland will end up looking a lot like A Bug's Land at DCA, with the props and styling of Toy Story Mania. If it's done to that level of quality, it could actually look quite smart and attractive:
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Great to see that the track is most likely going to be orange. Even if it will make it stand out more it'll look a lot better and more hot wheelsy :P
Also good to hear it won't be looming over everything in the park like people were expecting it to. Doesn't really matter if can be seen from the BTM lift hill does it? We can already see ToT and Crush's huge blue building so it'll not exactly be invading the theming.
So glad they decided to go with the orange track rather than that gaudy green!
The height sounds ok too, hopefully it will fit subtly into it's surroundings! (I hope :P )
Only just read that its 25 metres high.
Thats not all that bad, especially as Zamerla's Disk-O's supports can be decorated nicely.
I'd rather it was a Disk-O than a Intamin Half Pipe.
Zamperla must love the business DLRP gives them!
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The heights are taken from official texts, so don't argue with me!
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Right, I need to go and do something productive now...
Well I do hope they use 30 ft trees to cover RC Racer at least, it would look out out place. :|
Actrully, using large trees could be a good idea I think, does anyone else agree?
Quote from: "QTXAdsy"Actrully, using large trees could be a good idea I think, does anyone else agree?
Yes, the Imagineers do! They've kept a parcel of the old ones that used to be there at the back, which will probably just about cover the right half of the halfpipe. You can see them on some of the latest photos and it's sort of shown on the concept art too, if you can find that somewhere.
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Do you have a bigger picture ?
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but the ride system Disney are using for Slinky Dog Zigzag Spin has been used before in a Disney park. Yep, Scuttle's Scooters over at Tokyo DisneySea uses the same system:
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A brief critique of WDSP:
The attractions are great but are too few in number.
There is a lack of greenery.
Some areas are not well-themed.
There is a lack of things to watch besides the tower doors opening and the Crush cars whizzing by.
The queue for Crush is too long.
There is not much to explore.
OK, so I think most would agree these are the main problems that the park has and that TSPL at least attempts to address each of these.
I'm not keen on any of the rides, though: I'd rather queue up for TOT than go on any of them! I'd try the parachute drop if there is a 10min queue but I wouldn't bother with the others. But I do think that it will bring a little more depth to the park and I will take a look. There are obviously those who enjoy queuing for 45minutes to go around 3 times on the carousel, or to ride Dumbo, tea-cups or cars, so a dull ride in a well themed setting can be popular amongst the guests, and it may add some more atmosphere.
I don't think that it will be all that bad, it is just a huge disappointment because Crush, TOT, Stitch, Playhouse and Hollywood Boulevard have all been excellent additions to the park and this land with its carnival rides just seems so uninspiring. :(
However, Ratatouille should make up for it! [-o<
Quote from: "Anthony"What is "it's a real gas" even meant to mean? That phrase was used for Cars too.
It means its going to be fun. Its an old saying, not sure on its origins. Another example would be; "
Its going to be a gasser"
Found this little gem on Disney Central Plaza; from 'Tales from the Laughing Place':
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Obviously, the focus of this picture is on SDZZS, but you can clearly see part of RCR in the foreground. It's a shame we can't see anything from TSPD, but it gives up a little bit more information about TSPL ( :shock: )!
Quote from: "Alan"I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but the ride system Disney are using for Slinky Dog Zigzag Spin has been used before in a Disney park. Yep, Scuttle's Scooters over at Tokyo DisneySea uses the same system:
The Paris version will be different. The vehicles will be covered and will open and close while the ride is spinning. :)
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "Alan"I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but the ride system Disney are using for Slinky Dog Zigzag Spin has been used before in a Disney park. Yep, Scuttle's Scooters over at Tokyo DisneySea uses the same system:
The Paris version will be different. The vehicles will be covered and will open and close while the ride is spinning. :)
That is awesome! I went on a ride like that when we were on holiday this year; we went to an old Victorian fun fair type attraction (where they had a lot of seriously old and impressive fully functioning rides) and there was one like that. It's really different to the usual type of ride, and will probably work well here too :)
I don't quite understand. What do you see when the vehicles are closed? Are you, as a rider, then fully enclosed inside the vehicle, with no view?
Quote from: "Alan"I don't quite understand. What do you see when the vehicles are closed? Are you, as a rider, then fully enclosed inside the vehicle, with no view?
I think it'll be similar to this:
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Really? That looks pretty weird for a Disney ride. What do you see when you have the hood over your head? Just nothing, black?
Quote from: "Alan"Really? That looks pretty weird for a Disney ride. What do you see when you have the hood over your head? Just nothing, black?
Well the one I went on (the one in the video) had loads of tiny holes in it, which gave it a rather clever feeling of flying through space. I suppose the idea for this one will be to theme the outside like a giant spring, so they could do something on the inside I suppose :)
That ride looks a bit odd, not sure about the covering-up part :shock:
So, that type of ride is officially called the Caterpillar Ride. It's a vintage flat ride from 1925. It seems unlikely that Disney would build one in their parks, but according to Kristof they will:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_ride (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_ride)
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i like hte idea of the covers and un covers i think that itll make the ride i little bit more intresting and anything with slinky is one huge plus =D :D/
Many years ago we had this kind of ride at the Oktoberfest, too.
I remember it being quiet funny.
I think it is not a bad idea to have this kind of ride at the park, but could be a little bit scary for the little ones.
I remember this types of rides from when I was a kid !! They are kind of fun , especially if you are young enough and a bit scared of the dark ! It is just like Space Mountain for toddlers really !
Quote from: "Reiana"Many years ago we had this kind of ride at the Oktoberfest, too.
I remember it being quiet funny.
It's there this year, too. I took pictures of it today. After that, I went into a beer tent (Schottenhammel, to be precise)... and then my memory gets a bit blurry :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Is it really there this year. Haven't seen it on monday.
I only remember the good old Music Express.
I think I have to take another look. :lol:
Oh, I actually had no idea Slinky Dog would do that. It does look a bit scary for what should be the land's most child-friendly ride, but I suppose it's unlikely the TSPL version will go so fast. Theme-wise it's going to be a very clever way to represent Slinky's spring, so nice choice WDI!
Just to add to the orange track thing - this may well have been an issue with clearing it with Mattel/Hot Wheels. Hot Wheels now have to be credited whenever a specifically orange track is used in publicity for next year.
Infact, the main TSPL visual has been updated with orange track and very minor changes, but the awful PLAYLAND letters remain! Gah!!
From Disneytheque, the first art of our Toy Story Playland on the official resort map:
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Yuck. Toon Studio looks like funfair-land. I forgot about the huge Buzz looming over the entrance. :sick:
Looks really oddly placed in that image, probably the angle of the map. I also forgot about that giant Buzz...Do not want.
On the concept art for Toy Story Land at Hong Kong Disneyland, a massive Woody is shown at the entrance. I wonder why they decided to use Buzz Lightyear at Walt Disney Studios instead? Seems like a strange decision considering Buzz Lightyear already has his own attraction in Disneyland Park.
You have to be kidding me on. Is that art the best DLP do?
i think it looks very at home if that makes sence and it looks like it the map for walt disney studios and overall looking great if you ask me :D :D/
Not keen on the giant Buzz, however the rest looks fun. Will wait until the first pics before giving a more balanced opinion.
The problem with the resort maps is that everything on them is so distorted, so it's hard to judge exactly how TSPL will look based on this alone.
Why have they gone as far as to actually redesign the Tower of Terror so that everything is facing towards the reader, and then they put Buzz facing away? :roll: :P
I don't mind the visual, it doesn't put me off of the concept, but the style of the design means that it can't go into full detail. Although it doesn't make me feel any better about the Buzz though (I don't like how the map has him standing on toy bricks so that you can walk through/under his legs), they should have stuck with the original rumour/idea of a generic robot, something like the below picture, slanted (as if partially buried) was my initial thoughts on the concept:
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Failing that, even Woody as seen in the Hong Kong concept art would probably have worked better (mainly because Buzz already has a main attraction in the Disneyland park) :)
All the attractions are distorted on the park maps, and not an accurate representation of the actual attractions. Its pointless analysing the image, shows nothing new and nothing that we didn't know already.
Here's a version without a giant logo over the top:
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Haha, look at the ridiculous Studio Tram Tour route!
Quote from: "Willow"All the attractions are distorted on the park maps, and not an accurate representation of the actual attractions.
Yes, this map in particular definitely isn't meant to be accurate, just give a rough idea of what's at each park.
Strange to see all three small rides featured, but I suppose WDS had such a lack of "icons" to start with they're still clutching at straws. Hopefully when it grows a bit further it'll be refined down a bit (drop Slinky, Flying Carpets, perhaps).
Its looking great!
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Quote from: "Anthony"Strange to see all three small rides featured, but I suppose WDS had such a lack of "icons" to start with they're still clutching at straws. Hopefully when it grows a bit further it'll be refined down a bit (drop Slinky, Flying Carpets, perhaps).
Maybe after 2010 they will not be as heavily featured, purely as they would no longer be new attractions.
Quote from: "Willow"Quote from: "Anthony"Strange to see all three small rides featured, but I suppose WDS had such a lack of "icons" to start with they're still clutching at straws. Hopefully when it grows a bit further it'll be refined down a bit (drop Slinky, Flying Carpets, perhaps).
Maybe after 2010 they will not be as heavily featured, purely as they would no longer be new attractions.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they'd have a tight squeeze trying to fit all three attractions on there when Ratatouille opens :wink:
Don't you mean if Ratatouille opens? It's still just a rumour at the moment, isn't it? Disney haven't announced anything and construction hasn't started.
I remember how, back in 2002, people were saying the Tower of Terror would open in 2-3 years!
I don't know why some people are critising this so much. It's just for the small park map. It's kind of suppose to look cramp and stuff, the real thing to look out is when they release the proper WDS map, will be interesting viewing (and reading here).
Anyway i think it looks good, with the expection of the backwards facing Buzz. I'm surprised they put all 3 attractions in, but i'm guessing after these are seen as new attractions one or two will be removed. Nice to see the bucket exit makes an appearance just beside Slinky.
And i agree with Anthony, the Tram Tour looks hilarious :lol:
Alan - if my memory serves me correct ToT was originally planned to be opened in 2004/2005 but due to problems over in California our tower plans were shipped over to America. Also i'm pretty sure Ratatouille will happen, which reminds me has TSP even been officially confirmed yet by Euro Disney SCA? :?
I can't get past the half-pipe thing. It's Paris' first truly uncamouflaged carnival crap ride. It's our Mulholland Madness, our Primeval Whirl. And now it sits prominently on the map alongside the Tower of Terror. Blegh.
Quote from: "pussinboots"I can't get past the half-pipe thing. It's Paris' first truly uncamouflaged carnival crap ride. It's our Mulholland Madness, our Primeval Whirl. And now it sits prominently on the map alongside the Tower of Terror. Blegh.
Agreed, but worse as you will be able to see it from much further away.
I think the map looks quite good. I'm not going to critizise the attractions before they are built. Drawings always look different than the real stuff [-o<
But, does anyone know how high the parachute tower is going to be?
From what i know the parachute is the same outer shell as Jumpin' Jellyfish (or at least i heard) which is 60 feet (18.2m) tall.
Quote from: "-breeno-"From what i know the parachute is the same outer shell as Jumpin' Jellyfish (or at least i heard) which is 60 feet (18.2m) tall.
If it is going to be 18,2 m... It is very small :shock:
I hope they cover the area up good on the side of the Hollywood Boulevard, perhaps a facade like the one that covers the Honey I Shrunk The Kids zone in DHS, the current one doesn't really cover it up much from certain angles if you ask me.
Maybe the half pipe will be sunk into the ground so that it doesn't end up being so high?
Thanks to Alain and his great blog:
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The new stuff looks somewhat better and more proffie, still we will have to wait and see if this isn't going to be a blast or a total disaster...
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A bit over-sized isn't it? The parachute thing is about as big as ToT.
I hope this all gets torn down in a few years to make way for something that isn't crap.
WDS was doing well until very recently. :cry:
Ok, it's a bit on the big side, but apart from that give me one other thing that's wrong with this? What's the four words you will no doubt see at the bottom corner of this map when it is released?.. Give up... "Not drawn to scale". Of course the parachute is going to be large, otherwise we wouldn't be able to see it (especially with the fact it blends in with it's green surroundings). If you're going to complain about that then you might as well complain about the fact the Walt Disney statue is the same size as some of the Boulevard buildings, or maybe the fact that there is such a gap between Art of Disney Animation and Animagique you could host a football match there, or even perhaps the fact Studio 1 is missing a roof.
I honestly can't see much wrong with this, and i still welcome the project with open arms. In fact this map makes me a little bit more excited to it's opening (someone excited for Toy Story Playland? Who would of thought!? :shock: :P )
EDIT: Is the tram tour sign new to the map? If so praise the lord that horrible fun fair poster isn't still there to haunt us!
The station of RC Racer looks like Al's toy barn.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Ok, it's a bit on the big side, but apart from that give me one other thing that's wrong with this? What's the four letters you will no doubt see at the bottom corner of this map when it is released?.. Give up... "Not drawn to scale". Of course the parachute is going to be large, otherwise we wouldn't be able to see it (especially with the fact it blends in with it's green surroundings). If you're going to complain about that then you might as well complain about the fact the Walt Disney statue is the same size as some of the Boulevard buildings, or maybe the fact that there is such a gap between Art of Disney Animation and Animagique you could host a football match there, or even perhaps the fact Studio 1 is missing a roof.
I honestly can't see much wrong with this, and i still welcome the project with open arms. In fact this map makes me a little bit more excited to it's opening (someone excited for Toy Story Playland? Who would of thought!? :shock: :P )
EDIT: Is the tram tour sign new to the map? If so praise the lord that horrible fun fair poster isn't still there to haunt us!
Couldn't agree more, well said Luke :wink:
I agree with you, TSPL is a little bit big on the map. They should scale it down on the map. Is there already an opening date?
The scale might be to promote it's presence perhaps? After all it's where they want to draw a fair few people to next year.
I personally welcome any new addition to making the studios a little less bare and although it might not be the killer ride we all want (Ratatouille or Splash etc.) it'll reduce queues elsewhere and provide a tad more to do. I'll hold judgement till i'm there - I mean I absolutely hated MMP from the pictures etc. but it wasn't too bad when I got there.
The scale propably is just off, maybe to give it more of a presence. The map needs a serious re-render though, everytime something is added now it looks like they quickly pasted it onto the map rather than merging it.
Quote from: "mehdi5"The sclae propably is just off, maybe to give it more of a presence. The map needs a serious re-render though, everytime something is added now it looks like they quickly pasted it onto the map rather than merging it.
Absolutely. I'm quite disappointed they didn't address things like the Walt Disney Television Studios and Blockbuster Cafe/Restaurant des Stars building, which still look far too small.
Personally I'd prefer if Toy Story Playland also had the queue buildings for Toy Soldiers and Slinky Dog since they're quite substantial and interesting, but perhaps this being a sub-land it can't have too much detail. There's going to be a lot in a fairly small space back there. Weird they appeared on the resort map though.
Oh, thumbs up for the logo! Why didn't they use that on the recent posters or construction walls? Stupid DLP. And giant Buzz at the entrance still makes me squirm. It just has "patronising management decision" written all over it.
I hated the whole idea when they first announced it (I'm not a fan of Toy Story). Now, I'm actually excited to see this new land. It looks not as bad as I thought.
I do have one question: will they re-route the Tram Tour for this, because if I look at Google Maps, there is not enough room for this land. The costume building behind the Toon Studio is in the way. The only option I can think of, is to re-route the Tram Tour a bit. Anyone know if they will do that?
I think they have already rerouted the STT and I think that had happened in Spring or early Summer.
It looks as if you will be able to walk to Ratatouille both by going through TSPL and through the 'Toontown' gate at the back of Toon Studio :idea: .
As I said in my previous post, I think TSPL will be OK; it will do a job I guess, but we have just had two great rides, two great shows and a very good bit of theming added, so its just underwhelming.
Quote from: "andrewuk"It looks as if you will be able to walk to Ratatouille both by going through TSPL and through the 'Toontown' gate at the back of Toon Studio :idea: .
I'm not sure if you can walk through the Toontown gate, because there is the costume building. So I don't think that the Ratatouille dark ride will get built there. Or are they going to demolish the building to make place for the Ratatouille ride.
No, you won't walk through the gate. We're currently guessing Ratatouille could be built on the patch of forest behind costuming, to the right of RC Racer, so just off the bottom-right of the concept art:
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...Creating a loop through Toy Story Playland, through the Monkey Barrel tunnel and back up along the side of Costuming to where the old gate used to be. (Or on the new park map, behind the TSPL logo to join back up where the Cars logo is - that's why I said earlier it'll be confusing for people not actually marking the path on there yet)
It's a shame that this path nor the path behind Art of Disney will be themed.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Ok, it's a bit on the big side, but apart from that give me one other thing that's wrong with this? What's the four words you will no doubt see at the bottom corner of this map when it is released?.. Give up... "Not drawn to scale". Of course the parachute is going to be large, otherwise we wouldn't be able to see it (especially with the fact it blends in with it's green surroundings). If you're going to complain about that then you might as well complain about the fact the Walt Disney statue is the same size as some of the Boulevard buildings, or maybe the fact that there is such a gap between Art of Disney Animation and Animagique you could host a football match there, or even perhaps the fact Studio 1 is missing a roof.
The whole map hasn't been designed very well compared to the detailed and (fairly) accurately scaled DLP map. I think they need to redo it all. They seem to take anything they feel is significant on the map and enlarge it x3.
The reason I moaned about the size of TSPL in particular was because the paratower and halfpipe are just as big as ToT. Now really, out of those attractions, which should sit most prominently on the map? I can tell you it's not the halfpipe or paratower.
I can only hope it will be scaled down (and hopefully removed altogther....) in the near future. :roll:
Quote from: "RnRCj"The whole map hasn't been designed very well compared to the detailed and (fairly) accurately scaled DLP map. I think they need to redo it all. They seem to take anything they feel is significant on the map and enlarge it x3.
Yeah i agree with you that the WDS map isn't the best map in the world, but it needs to be big. Remember WDS is a small park, a lot smaller than DP and still has plenty of "gaps", things need to be large to hide these "gaps", i was looking at the old 2002 WDS map just earlier this morning (thanks DLRPMagic Memorabilia ;) ) and there's more empty spaces on it than a multi-story car park at 4 in the morning! If they need to make things big to hide the fact that this is still an unfinished park then so be it, but there's nothing more i'd love than seeing a decent WDS park map with the gaps filled with attractions ;)
QuoteThe reason I moaned about the size of TSPL in particular was because the paratower and halfpipe are just as big as ToT. Now really, out of those attractions, which should sit most prominently on the map? I can tell you it's not the halfpipe or paratower.
Again true, ToT should be the most dominating attraction on the map, but we're talking about 3 new attractions here, they need to stand out to be noticed. I don't know about you but when i look at that map the first thing i'm drawn to is TSPL, exactly what you want to happen when you have some new attractions to show off.
Don't worry though, i'm pretty sure that TSPL will be scaled down a bit when/if Ratatouille comes along (either that or poor old Studio Tram Tour will look even worse :P )
A glimpse of a scale model has sneakily appeared on WDSfans:
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This looks a bit exciting...
Having just seen the construction site it is however hard to imagine all this being there in just 8 months :o..
This scale model is making me a bit less nervous though, although I still do not like the choice of attractions it does look like the themening will be great and best of all - it is very green!
I bet they are doing a lot with coloured lights there, as what I can see on the picture...
Would be great to see in the evening, although there are not that many "dark" evenings in the Studio's, only with late Halloween, Christmas season and the very first weeks of January.
So I guess we won't be able to see a "lit-up" :roll: TSPL during summer...
I think this site will fit perfectly next to Toon Studio's!
Kenny
Ewwwwww...
Me not like huge ugly carnival rides. :(
I can't believe they've just left the bare supports of the halfpipe in plain view.
Horrible.
I am however curious as to what type of tree they'll use for the giant grass...
The Slinky Dog ride definitley looks the best themed out of the three right now. I hate the look of the toy soldiers tower and the bare supports for the half pipe. But apart from that everything looks OK... isn't any expansion good for the studios?
I like the model, there's theming around the area and not just the rides.
The amount of vegetation is nice.
Still a thumbs up from me.
It looks very green :) ...I think that is about it !!!
The queue buidings around the half pipe just look like a load of portacabins with pitched roofs , can't really see much theming on them :(
At least the Slinky building is done like a giant cardboard box , but overall I don't like the look of it. Interesting that all the art work shows aerial views ,it would be great to see some concept art from ground level so we can get an idea of how intrusive this will be !!
Quote from: "RnRCj"Ewwwwww...
Me not like huge ugly carnival rides. :(
I can't believe they've just left the bare supports of the halfpipe in plain view.
Horrible.
I am however curious as to what type of tree they'll use for the giant grass...
Well, they might aswell camouflage the supports to look like hot wheels track supports or something i guess.
Such a waste of money, potential, and in my case, good will.
It is a sad state of afairs when Non- Disney parks are starting to create more compelling attractions. This should not be.
Quote from: "RnRCj"I am however curious as to what type of tree they'll use for the giant grass...
It's going to be bamboo, so just like Adventureland
Construction is speeding up of the Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop's Hangar:
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the scale model scares me a bit. the parachute drop looks really bare
The queue building is really close to Studio Tram Tour. Closer than I thought it'd look. I suppose one day it'll be hidden by the back of a Hollywood Blvd building anyway, or is that wishful thinking?
Quote from: "Riebi"the parachute drop looks really bare
Yeah, I don't like the print or pattern on it at all. I was hoping they'd have tried to make it look a bit more aesthetically pleasing after already doing Jumpin Jellyfish, but none of the versions we've seen so far are that good.
It's a shame they couldn't find something real to theme the tower to, a larger toy or something, and then the toy soldiers are using it for their parachute training...
i think this sounds good i hope it is there when i go next year
are they going to add new rides after its opened.
It's flying up!
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The platform where the tower will be looks quite small in that picture. Maybe just an illusion.
Hm the hangar seems ok. The platform should even be ok. The platforms at California Adventure aren´t that big too. So they should do it. My only hope is that that what we just see here isn´t the whole "theming" :lol:
Quote from: "Riebi"My only hope is that that what we just see here isn´t the whole "theming" :lol:
Haha. Look at the hangar compared to the Tram Tour station... perfect fit! If we were back in 2002, they'd stop here at the bare metal, stick a billboard on the front and open it up.
No, but it is going to be interesting how they complete this oversized themeing style without making it look cheaply-built. It's ok to have giant toys and so on, but when you have to then add in human-sized utilities like lights, wiring, etc. it might soon just look bare and industrial. I'm concerned about what's going to be
inside these buildings (particular RC Racer). Can we assume they'll just be half-complete concrete spaces like the Cars queue? Under the ruse that it's a "film set"?
Hope they make it better this time. The queue of cars and crush are horrible boring. Maybe they remember that also the queue is part of the show! Let´s wait and pray! [-o<
Quote from: "Anthony"If we were back in 2002, they'd stop here at the bare metal, stick a billboard on the front and open it up.
Haha =D>
You should have hear me laughing.
Very funny!
The curios thing is... it could have been true :twisted:
A little roof thing has been added to the structure which i believe is the queue building for a parachute drop.
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I'm not sure if this will impact the English names, but the three new attractions' French names will be...
-Toy Story Mission Parachute
-Zig Zag tour
-RC Racer - Vitesse maximale!
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Oh yes, I missed those new texts. :)
Looks like Italy also has its own names:
- Missione Paracadute
- Slinky Dog Zig Zag
- Il Bolide RC Racer
But I don't understand... if they're going to be promoting it as "Zig Zag Tour" (yuk) in France anyway (and presumably French guidemaps), why does the official in-park/English name need "Zig Zag" in it? It's redundant.
Clearly, WDI came up with Slinky Dog Spin and someone made them compromise. And now they've just come up with their own name anyway. But we're left with "Zig Zag", which means nothing to the English-speaking visitors. The ride itself certainly doesn't zig-zag, it spins! It's crazy if we're going to have "Slinky Dog Zig Zag Spin" in all the English brochures and maps...
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And it looks like the TSPL signs have come down (to repaint the fances as far as I'm aware!?!)! Perhaps we'll get some better ones now that cover the whole of the fances (perhaps like the old MMP ones?)
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Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"And it looks like the TSPL signs have come down (to repaint the fances as far as I'm aware!?!)! Perhaps we'll get some better ones now that cover the whole of the fances (perhaps like the old MMP ones?)
They shouldn't repaint these ugly fences, they should repaint the castle, Studio 1 and other buildings!
This just gets better and better!
Toy Story PlayLand has now been officially announced in the 2009 financial report.
QuoteWe continue to invest in the long-term growth of our Company and we look forward to opening Toy Story Playland, inspired by the popular Disney-Pixar Toy Story characters and films, at the Walt Disney Studios Park in summer 2010.
Construction site is looking alright.
Am I the only one who is afraid how this parachute tower and also the halfpipe thingy will look from Frontierland?
A static ToT in the background is one thing, but these things are big, ugly and moving ...
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Quote from: "Nicolai"Am I the only one who is afraid how this parachute tower and also the halfpipe thingy will look from Frontierland?
A static ToT in the background is one thing, but these things are big, ugly and moving ...
:roll:
I understand what you mean, but there's nothing that can be done about it. Besides, the view from the BTM lifthill is already dead with the ToT and Crush's hugh blue building so a couple of oversized toys will won't do too much damage really. *may live to regret*
EDIT: Old news now but the French logos for each attraction has been released!
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Zig-Zag is really the only one we haven't seen before. I think it looks quite well, although whether it goes with the TS theming can be argued.
Source - mouetto at Disney Centra Plaza
Quote from: "-breeno-"I understand what you mean, but there's nothing that can be done about it. Besides, the view from the BTM lifthill is already dead with the ToT and Crush's hugh blue building so a couple of oversized toys will won't do too much damage really. ...
I think there is a big difference: these oversized toys won't only be visible when you are at the top of BTM when you are busy with enjoying the ride anyway. They will be very much visible in the background from almost anywhere in Thunder Mesa area of Frontierland. And unlike the static ToT building these things
will draw attention and catch your eye because of the constant movement.
I fear they will be like a cheap carnival as backdrop of Frontierland. Trust me, I hope very much I will be proven wrong.
Quote from: "-breeno-"[EDIT: Old news now but the French logos for each attraction has been released!
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Well at least it looks like we might get some nice pins out of this, still not sure about the rides though, is this area going to look like a proper Disney themed area or is this going to look like a fair ground?
Quote from: "Nicolai"Am I the only one who is afraid how this parachute tower and also the halfpipe thingy will look from Frontierland?
A static ToT in the background is one thing, but these things are big, ugly and moving ...
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I thought this as well when it was first announced , TOT kind of ruined the illusion for good , but it is fairly drab and disappears into the background a little .The halfpipe thing though is bright yellow and much closer to the berm :( Maybe we can hope for some very,very tall trees in the way !
Looking on Google Maps (//http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=disneyland+paris&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&hq=Disneyland+Paris&hnear=Disneyland+Paris,+Coupvray,+France&ll=48.868653,2.77746&spn=0.004107,0.00854&t=h&z=17), imagining the sightlines and being very optimistic, we hopefully shouldn't have a problem. Enough conditionals? :lol:
From Thunder Mesa the Parachute Drop will be behind Crush, futher away and not as tall as it. RC Racer is to the left, but really only a few metres closer than ToT. From ground level in Frontierland it'll be fine, won't it? From BTM it'll be an issue, but at least there'll be trees in front of RC Racer from that angle (look at the leaked model on earlier pages).
What always catches my eye from the BTM lift (when I'm not breaking my neck trying to look back across DLP) is that the back of Crush, the bit that sticks up with the "5", was never painted in blue. You can still see the bare concrete.
Wow the website does it again!
Anyway , I am going end of this month to the studios too shoot some videos of the Building area , ass well as some photos! Thats the reason why I am going :)!
Looking good!
I noticed that Disney had recently added 2 Cameras on TOT for the Toy Storyland Constructions .
Quote from: "dlrp_bopazot"I noticed that Disney had recently added 2 Cameras on TOT for the Toy Storyland Constructions .
Now that's interesting, I suppose we'll be seeing a new time-lapse video in the future then? Good spot bopazot, thanks for sharing your find with us :)
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Foundations for all three rides appear to be in place. You can see how the RC Racer site has trees on both sides. It's a huge project, really...
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Oh please, just ignore this topic if you've nothing better to add.
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Oh please, just ignore this topic if you've nothing better to add.
Oh please, pictures paint a thousand words as they say. This will probably be deleted, but if I am to add words, here you go.
Seeing the pictures each time makes my blood boil. Disney has fallen so far that I am more excited about the development in local parks than this piece of junk, while the fan boys creme their pants with optimism.
I hope DLP finally does go broke if this is the sort of rubbish they keep schlocking.
Is that better? :evil:
You kinda have a point their. You have to remember that Toy Story is a well known franchise and that DLP needs to find a way to earn more money and in this case it's TS. Now I'am against TSPL but hopefully it will bring in more money for DLP as this year has caused DLP to slip back into the red.
Wherever we like this area or not, it should benefit for them. I do hope this is the last Pixar area/ride we'll see at DLP for quite some time (apart from Ratatouille which we're all expecting) but if not...
Those pictures give a pretty good idea about the whole overview of the site, and how the area will be laid out.
Lots of space for theming, particularly the parachute ride, the buildings should look pretty good once finished.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I hope DLP finally does go broke if this is the sort of rubbish they keep schlocking.
It's a shame, because I agree with/respect a lot of things you post, but in this topic its just been nothing but a constant interruption of crying icons and prophecies that this will be the end of Disney. It got boring a long time ago.
Some people might not agree with this 100% but might still want to discuss it, objectively. Because it IS happening...
(Thanks to those who've already done so above)
I am at a loss of what to do. After 35 years, I suppose I should find a new obsession.
And maybe put my villa up for sale.
What is the problem with TSPL? Why on earth wouldn't you have a play land in a theme park ? DHS has honey I strunk the kids playground. Kids do go to DLP don't they. They've not even finished building it yet. You like Legoland, and that's a kids playground.
As far as I am aware I haven't commented much in this topic yet, so here are my two cents about Toy Story Playland.
The confusing thing is that I completely understand why they are making this investment; a popular franchise, cheap rides, marketable, adding capacity to the Studios in a quick way etc. From a business point of view I even understand why they opted for Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast in Discoveryland or the relaunch of Space Mountain in 2005. However, from a fan-perspective I completely disagree with these changes or additions. Regarding Toy Story Playland:
-First of all, I am sick and tired of Toy Story. This franchise can already be found throughout both parks: Pizza Planet, Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast, Woody's Roundup, a float in Disney's Once Upon A Dream Parade, a car in Disney's Stars & Motorcars and so on. Why not come up with another theme for once? Both Toy Story films were nice, but definately not memorable or Pixar's best in my humble opinion. Besides that, the fact that one single film gets a mini-land devoted to it (Toy Story Playland) within another land (Toon Studio) screws up the already weak coherency of Walt Disney Studios Park.
-Second, I don't think these rides add much value to Walt Disney Studios Park. It's not that I am against these kind of rides. Caroussel de Lancelot, Dumbo, Orbitron etc all fit in with their environments. I can even appreciate Cars of the Flying Carpets from a Toon Studio perspective. However, if you take a look at the attraction roster of Disney's Hollywood Studios or the Hollywood Picture Backlot area in Disney's California Adventure you will notice that there is not one single carnival ride to be found. It simply doesn't fit in with the story a Hollywood/Studio theme tries to tell its guests. Walt Disney Studios is becoming more of film themed amusement park like Movie Park Germany for example. Ofcourse it always has been a park themed to a Studio, but the same can be said about Hollywood Pictures Backlot which has never been an actual filmstudio either. I don't mind two flatrides in Toon Studio, but with Toy Story Playland it becomes a bit too much. What this park really needs when EuroDisney is ready to expand it is a Hollywood Boulevard, a darkride, a filmexhibit etc... attractions that are truly Hollywood/Studio worthy.
I keep hoping that Toy Story Playland will be a temporary addition and that it will be removed when the park is going to expand. However, we all know this will be a permanent addition, much like Indiana Jones in the park next door.
Quote from: "QTXAdsy"Now I'am against TSPL but hopefully it will bring in more money for DLP as this year has caused DLP to slip back into the red.
And rewarding them for Toy Story Playland? That way we will encourage them to make more of these investments in the future.
Will any of these 3 new rides be Adult friendly? Will they be rides that you can go on, without a kid, without feeling like a complete idiot?
I hope that the half-pipe, at least, is an Adult attraction.
RC-Racer should be a family-thrill attraction, not hugely thrilling but suitable for adults.
Parachute Drop is more child-orientated.
Not sure about Zig-Zag Spin.
I'd say all 3 rides should cover the thrill levels of most guests.
When the Studios first opened it only had two rides, the Flying Carpets and Rock n' Roller Coaster. It was mostly made up of show and the park was very thin on themeing. I think Disney have started to address these issues over the last few years.
Uhhhhh - I´m a bit relieved. Looks like the trees could hide most of the bare steel!
Does anybody know how they will hide the costume building?
Quote from: "Alan"Will any of these 3 new rides be Adult friendly? Will they be rides that you can go on, without a kid, without feeling like a complete idiot? I hope that the half-pipe, at least, is an Adult attraction.
Yeah - The first time I tried to ride Cars... ehhhhh :roll: Lets say it felt a bit like my legs died of :P So I really hope these are attractions will be, to say it with the words of a great man: "....a place where children and parents can have fun together..."
Quote from: "ed-uk"When the Studios first opened it only had two rides, the Flying Carpets and Rock n' Roller Coaster. I think Disney have started to address these issues over the last few years.
It was their only chance to relativise their big mistake and get more people into this park. Even if some of their studios re-themening decision are still horrible!
Well I think most of us can agree the Studios needed more rides and themeing. I don't find any of the re-themeing decisions horrible though. And they had to start somewhere even if it did mean starting small. Let's hope they can add more rides and themeing over the years.
Quote from: "Maarten"-Second, I don't think these rides add much value to Walt Disney Studios Park. It's not that I am against these kind of rides. Caroussel de Lancelot, Dumbo, Orbitron etc all fit in with their environments. I can even appreciate Cars of the Flying Carpets from a Toon Studio perspective. However, if you take a look at the attraction roster of Disney's Hollywood Studios or the Hollywood Picture Backlot area in Disney's California Adventure you will notice that there is not one single carnival ride to be found. It simply doesn't fit in with the story a Hollywood/Studio theme tries to tell its guests. Walt Disney Studios is becoming more of film themed amusement park like Movie Park Germany for example. Ofcourse it always has been a park themed to a Studio, but the same can be said about Hollywood Pictures Backlot which has never been an actual filmstudio either. I don't mind two flatrides in Toon Studio, but with Toy Story Playland it becomes a bit too much. What this park really needs when EuroDisney is ready to expand it is a Hollywood Boulevard, a darkride, a filmexhibit etc... attractions that are truly Hollywood/Studio worthy.
This.
WDS needs more things like the Hollywood Boulevard expansion with proper attractions. Any theme park could build an area like Toy Story Playland.
I think the Toy Story theme is the thing here. The films and the characters are very popular. And no theme park could copy that. But yes, other theme parks could build similar rides. Just like they could build a Caroussel or a Roller Coaster.
I will admit I am actually a little excited to see the construction photos, even though when it's all finished I will probably walk through it in a very Davewasbaloo state of mind. It's just that the park is a lot of nothing, so whenever there's a prospect of something, it's a little exciting. It's expansion. It's something for the Tram Tour to interrupt the view of all that grass.
Here's a thought, though. The road behind the Art of Animation has always been a little awkward because of the building's featureless backside and its proximity to the walkway. Those bushes aren't fooling anyone, either, it feels like you're not supposed to be there. Here is a chance for them to correct this. They could reroute the walkway a little farther from the building and add some kind of themeing to the wall, or do the Disneyland Park thing and build a berm. Will they?
I'm one of the few people here who doesn't see the problem with Toy Story Playland. I'm not tired of it, the timing is actually very good since there is going to be a third movie. So I guess that sucks when you're already tired of Toy Story, fortunately I still love the movies. I'll go and see for myself when it's done and then I'll judge wether I like it or not.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Will they?
No.
Both that path and the one running down beside the Costuming building look to be dead areas in terms of theme, with just polite generic railings and lights. It's a shame they obviously couldn't scrounge another few million to give the area some placemaking/justification, but I'd probably prefer they sorted out the Animagique/Art of Disney area first anyway.
About being tired of Toy Story as Maarten said, perhaps we'll feel differently next year when Toy Story 3 is released. At the moment we only know the decade-old films. In any case, this will be the most specifically "Toy Story" area, the Woody and Buzz things in DLP are spin-offs, and along with Pizza Planet will hopefully have their days numbered, leaving just this as the main outlet? Optimistic, I know.
Quote from: "Annet"I'm not tired of it, the timing is actually very good since there is going to be a third movie.
From a business point of view its definately a wise move to use the Toy Story franchise. Its already an established and popular franchise, and like you mentioned Toy Story 3 will be released aswell. I even applaud them for finally making use of these filmreleases (look at the current Snow White show aswell).
Quote from: "Annet"So I guess that sucks when you're already tired of Toy Story, fortunately I still love the movies.
Good for you. Is it really that hard to imagine that people want to see other films or themes incorporated in the parks for once? Since 1995 Toy Story has been featured heavily in the European Disney parks; a restaurant, attractions, parades, meet 'n greets etc. There are so many themes and films they could use... sigh... but once again, I do understand why they opted for Toy Story though.
Quote from: "Anthony"No.
Both that path and the one running down beside the Costuming building look to be dead areas in terms of theme, with just polite generic railings and lights. It's a shame they obviously couldn't scrounge another few million to give the area some placemaking/justification, but I'd probably prefer they sorted out the Animagique/Art of Disney area first anyway.
Well, it wouldn't cost a million euros to move a walkway and play a little botanic hide-and-seek. Another missed opportunity, I suppose.
But yes, Toy Story is over-represented, it's as simple as that. Judging by the films they've chosen to park-ify these past two decades, you could be forgiven for thinking Toy Story had been the most popular Disney release in its entire history by a landslide.
I will just wait till this is finished before I get too upset, not going to worry about what might be ! But not very keen on TSPL at all !!
Toy Story is very much over represented in the parks , I know it is a big money spinner for them but there are lots of other films that could be used , Monsters or Bugs Life could be great ,and I am sure people would still enjoy the attraction if it had a different theme !
I do wish the Studios had a more Hollywood feel to them , feel it completely lacks the magic that there should be in a Disney park :(
Ok, I said I would just walk away from this, but I cannot, it is like crack. My problem is not actually the theme per se. I am actually quite a big toy story fan when it comes to the films. But yes, I agree, they have had their turn.
My problem is not that they are trying to build capacity or attractions that will appeal to youngsters (two things that have been sorely needed since day 1).
What I have an issue with is building an area that any park can build, whether it's Thomas the Tank land in Drayton Manor or 6 Flags, or the former Beanoland at Chessington.
I have kids aged 4 and 6, so you think I would be stoked. But having experienced a Bugsland 1st hand (not many on these boards have) or Chester and Hesters, I already pretty much know what is coming. Heck, even a rehash of Mermaid Lagoon at TDS would be preferrable (but only just).
But what we have here are 3 low capacity attractions, out in the open air (Paris weather is really only nice a few days a year). One that will likely have a size limit (actually all 3 probably will). One that spins and has dark segments, so will scare off a large number of kids (though mine will probably love it). One that is a gentle drop ride with long waits that ruins the view and will likely have a strong size limit. And one that will have huge waits and will either be watered down to make it boring, or will be too scary for kids and elderly. And it will be ugly too. All surrounded by cheap looking All Stars style icons that will likely be graffiti'd over or have baracades to stop us getting near a la the Cars Photo opportunities.
This is my problem. Disney was all about immersive theming of things that could be enjoyed by the whole family. Everyone really seems to have forgotten that.
It shouldn't be a case of "if it's good enough for Alton Towers/EuropaPark/6 Flags it's good enough for us - we'll slap our characters on and people will love it". But more and more of it is becoming that, and most people do not realise until it is too late.
Disney used to strive to be the best. Everything does not need to be an E-ticket, but to me, they might as well just hire in outsiders and do what they did at other parks with Disney licencing.
Well you guys might fall for it, but it does not motivate me to make the time and money sacrifices. I wouldn't go next year except for we already have the villa and the kids want to. But all this, something is better than nothing is bull. Something means that it is unlikely that something different will come along later.
The big difference with Dumbo and the Tea Cups, is that you also have luscious gardens, 3 dark rides (5 in California), It's a Small World, fine dining and shopping in the same area. The same cannot be said for TSPL.
Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "Annet"So I guess that sucks when you're already tired of Toy Story, fortunately I still love the movies.
Good for you. Is it really that hard to imagine that people want to see other films or themes incorporated in the parks for once? Since 1995 Toy Story has been featured heavily in the European Disney parks; a restaurant, attractions, parades, meet 'n greets etc. There are so many themes and films they could use... sigh... but once again, I do understand why they opted for Toy Story though.
I never said that I don't understand why people would like to see other movie-themed attractions, there are lots of other movies I love too. I'm just gonna sit and wait for the result before I make my judgement.
I agree with you totally davewasbaloo , but I think ,unfortunately , that DLP does not have the funding of the other parks .Recent turnover figures show a decrease in guest spending , so we are kind of between a rock and a hard place !
Do they add new attractions that might not be as fabulous as we hope for or only get a new ride every 5 or 6 years that is beautifully themed ! At least it is something , and not as we want but still they are making an effort ! :)
Lets wait till it is done before we get too upset !
I am not surprised that guest spending is down, they don't really try to improve it. The merchandise is just repeated over and over in all the shops with the same plushes, t-shirts etc, there is little variation even over the span of years. I have seen some items that are sold in american parks that paris doesn't have and that people would buy.. I know I would.
Then there are places like auberge de cendrillon which would make a fantastic trade if the price was even slightly lower and they had a little more diverse menu, infact just having a few more items on the menu that people who have an average palate would want. Fact is people would actually fork out that money but not when they can't even get something ediable on it...we all don't like the french top class cusine.
Theres a lot of small changes that could greatly improve guest spending in my opinion.
You see Timbo, I personally would rather wait 5 years between additions and continue to get blown away. This is how Disney used to do this. The more "make do" attractions we get, the less special the place gets, the less people are likely to want to travel or stay longer there. That is my legitimate concern.
I am not a fan of Winnie the Pooh, but if they built a Winnie the Pooh dark ride I could understand, it would be popular, people of all ages could ride in all weathers, it is a Disney only style attraction, and even people who are not fans of the bear would probably enjoy it. And I am not even talking the Tokyo version.
Or even better, give us something Hollywood - a gangster ride, maybe a Great Muppet Movie Ride, or an adventure where they take the plot of Animagigue and bring it to life in a ride through experience. Something like a Roger Rabbit Cartoon Spin. There are so many opportunities that fit in this park.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"You see Timbo, I personally would rather wait 5 years between additions and continue to get blown away.
Me too !! but I think Disney want the quick fix for the Studios ,rather than the long term highly themed impressive rides :(
Quote from: "Anthony"Looking on Google Maps (//http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=disneyland+paris&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&hq=Disneyland+Paris&hnear=Disneyland+Paris,+Coupvray,+France&ll=48.868653,2.77746&spn=0.004107,0.00854&t=h&z=17), imagining the sightlines and being very optimistic, we hopefully shouldn't have a problem. Enough conditionals? :lol:
From Thunder Mesa the Parachute Drop will be behind Crush, futher away and not as tall as it. RC Racer is to the left, but really only a few metres closer than ToT. From ground level in Frontierland it'll be fine, won't it? ...
God, I hope you're right. I tried to interpolate size and position of the parachute tower from the pic above (this one (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/tspl_nov09_1.jpg)) and the sightlines "should" be something like this:
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Actually it could be the berm of Phantom Manor that saves us for most part of Thunder Mesa, couldn't it?
Don't know about the position and height of that halfpipe thingy though.
Dont forget that the building is in front of the ride ;)
But its another tower where we can make nice pics or videos in the air !
Well, maybe my DD is in the minority because at 4 years old she is excited about a whole land dedicated to Toy Story.
I'm still on the fence, but i agree with what others have said I think Toy Story has had its day in the parks (not that it should be disgarded altogether), it would of just been nice to of had something different. These newly themed rides just look like a complete waste of money.
Quotenewly themed rides just look like a complete waste of money.
I disagree with you about this subject ; its not a waste of money. Everything what disney does for the visitor is a ngood sign , even if you dont like it. Sure , I rather have Soarin , The Great Movie Ride , Ratatoille or a nice thrillride.
But see it like this , now we got another new thrillride which makes the studios a bit more better!
I hope they add fastpass for the big halfpipe!
Quote from: "Disneydavid"QuoteI hope they add fastpass for the big halfpipe!
That was probably the plan when they were going to have 2 halfpipes (one with fp, one without), it might still be. If the flying carpets can have fp, then they could put it on any of these rides.
Quote from: "andrewuk"That was probably the plan when they were going to have 2 halfpipes (one with fp, one without), it might still be. If the flying carpets can have fp, then they could put it on any of these rides.
Not RC Racer though... Carpets has 16 flying carpets each holding 4 people. RC (far as we know) has one car holding 16 people. I've still yet to understand how this won't be a complete and utter disaster. Maybe they're just trying to distract guests' anger away from Crush?
Parachute Drop might be a likely candidate... but for anyone wondering, we've so far seen no mention of Fastpass at all.
As discussed previously, their philosophy here seems to be "don't build high-capacity rides, build high-capacity queues".
Have we actually had comfirmation about who is building the Halfpipe?
Last I heard was the rumour that Zamperla are building a custom version (which would surely be the 40 person version)
or, if its the Intamin version it will surely be the 36 person version?
I think it's based on the Zamperla Disko Coaster, only taller than it is long, if you see what I mean. See these:
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The round steel supports which come out at an angle (more noticeable in that first image) match what we've seen of RC Racer. In the bear-themed one above, there's then quite an ugly square steel frame going up to the tip of the halfpipe, but it's not unthinkable that Zamperla could move the angled, round support further out and further up, supporting the larger halfpipe fully by itself.
Mostly, the flat Hot Wheels track matches Zamperla. Intamin Halfpipes have much more, well "Intamin" type track... more boxy and coaster-like, you know. So Custom Disko Coaster would be my guess.
As for capacity, count the number seats in your signature there. :?
It would be very silly for Disney to only have 16 seats (like as shown in my signature/the park map) when there are opportunities for other models which are more than double the capacity.
The only way 16 seats would be feasible is if we are looking at a pretty short ride cycle.
Surely management have learnt their lessons from Crush's Coaster?
Quote from: "Willow"It would be very silly for Disney to only have 16 seats (like as shown in my signature/the park map) when there are opportunities for other models which are more than double the capacity.
I suppose there are, but it's fitting that many people inside an RC-styled car, since that's what they've insisted on. All of these rides are really great concepts for what they are, just not very practical in the Disney park world.
Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop will have a grand capacity of 18 per ride cycle (3 people per parachute, 6 parachutes) whilst Slinky Dog Spin offers the positively E-Ticket worthy 40 people (2 people per spring, 20 springs).
Interestingly the old plan (//http://nsa08.casimages.com/img/2009/05/15/090515080118340185.jpg) appears to show the Parachute Drop with two entrances, hinting at Fastpass, whereas the final model has the main entrance on the other side with an extra queue building instead.
personally i think it'd be better if they didnt just focus on toy story but built a new ride for each of the pixar films they havent yet intepreted, they could eep the r.c. racer thing but then there should be a monsters inc. ride, a wall.e. ride and a ratatouille ride as well ;D x
Quote from: "Disneydavid"Quotenewly themed rides just look like a complete waste of money.
I disagree with you about this subject ; its not a waste of money. Everything what disney does for the visitor is a ngood sign , even if you dont like it. Sure , I rather have Soarin , The Great Movie Ride , Ratatoille or a nice thrillride.
But see it like this , now we got another new thrillride which makes the studios a bit more better!
Maybe so, but i would rather they spent the money they don't have on a decent attraction.
I know , its not that good quality of photo... however , for movie...
I did my best!
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Quote from: "Willow"It would be very silly for Disney to only have 16 seats (like as shown in my signature/the park map) when there are opportunities for other models which are more than double the capacity.
The only way 16 seats would be feasible is if we are looking at a pretty short ride cycle.
Surely management have learnt their lessons from Crush's Coaster?
The image in your sig has 20 seats! :wink:
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Quote from: "Willow"It would be very silly for Disney to only have 16 seats (like as shown in my signature/the park map) when there are opportunities for other models which are more than double the capacity.
The only way 16 seats would be feasible is if we are looking at a pretty short ride cycle.
Surely management have learnt their lessons from Crush's Coaster?
The image in your sig has 20 seats! :wink:
You know what I meant! :P
Doesn't seem to be a lot happening on the Toy Story Playland site at the moment. I'm sure LOTS is happening, but none of it is particuarly visible or indeed exciting.
Meanwhile over in Florida... :-)
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At least thanks to this topic we know already what it'll feel like to be on Slinky Dog Spin.
Gosh , I think im already happy now with the NEW rides :D!
Got a few quick questions..
Isn't there ment to be 2 of the Half Pipe coasters, to help with the queue's etc?
Why is the slinky ride called ZigZag Tour?
Is the Tram tours now coming back past the stuff you see at first? Thus making it even more boring than it already is?
Quote from: "Martyn"Isn't there ment to be 2 of the Half Pipe coasters, to help with the queue's etc?
There were two on one proposal we saw, but it wasn't chosen. There'll only be one RC Racer.
Quote from: "Martyn"Why is the slinky ride called ZigZag Tour?
The official in-park name is Slinky Dog Zig Zag Spin. "Zig Zag" is the French name for Slinky, so that's just a compromise. Zig Zag Tour is the French name to be used only for marketing (like Buzz L'Éclair Bataille Laseur).
I've moaned in the past about why the Zig Zag needs to be in the official title. It's not like people won't be able to work it out and it ruins the otherwise quite clever Slinky Dog Spin name. I'm guessing WDI came up with that and Euro Disney SCA started fretting...
Quote from: "Martyn"Is the Tram tours now coming back past the stuff you see at first? Thus making it even more boring than it already is?
Yep, between Reign of Fire and Catastrophe Canyon the route is
entirely the same. No costuming, no Pearl Harbor planes and the Props Boneyard cut down to about half the size. Dinotopia remains.
When I think to 'TOUR' , i think about TOUR de la terreur. Which means TOWER. So , Slinkys Tower. But that doesnt match...:S
They really do need to do something with the Tram Tour, desperately. Its becoming the 'Star Tours' of the Studio's (the ride you only ride once, because it ain't all that).
Quote from: "Martyn"They really do need to do something with the Tram Tour, desperately. Its becoming the 'Star Tours' of the Studio's (the ride you only ride once, because it ain't all that).
You're kidding, right? We
love Star Tours, it is amazing. Last row in the middle, if possible :D It's an E Ticket, after all!!
Quote from: "Nicolai"Quote from: "Martyn"They really do need to do something with the Tram Tour, desperately. Its becoming the 'Star Tours' of the Studio's (the ride you only ride once, because it ain't all that).
You're kidding, right? We love Star Tours, it is amazing. Last row in the middle, if possible :D It's an E Ticket, after all!!
Agreed. Star Tours is my 3rd fav attraction at DLP after PotC and Phantom Manor.
i like star tours but it could do with some new movie material :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: "Martyn"They really do need to do something with the Tram Tour, desperately. Its becoming the 'Star Tours' of the Studio's (the ride you only ride once, because it ain't all that).
Dont you mean HISTA.
here is a pic i found on micechat!
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According to another newspapers (takungpao news)
there will be some features (Toy Story Land) unique to Hong Kong, in order to offer some differences from Toy Story Playland at DLP.
for example, there will be a themed restaurant, shops and washroom for Toy Story Land at HKDL.
uhmmm what have we done that we don´t get this??
You can also see some new concept art and clips of the scale model near the start of this video
:arrow: http://app2.hkatv.com/v3/webtv/play.php?video_id=78769 (http://app2.hkatv.com/v3/webtv/play.php?video_id=78769)
:)
For heaven's sake, that's OUR model, created for OUR park! Unless they're building a crappy Studio Tram Tour over there as well. I know it's strange to claim ownership of an Imagineering idea like Toy Story Playland, but why are we having to see this via Hong Kong?
Hello, Euro Disney SCA? Are you there? Promote your attractions!
About the restaurant, shop and toilets, actually our TSPL will be far more realistic, because toys don't need to eat or use the toilet. So, technically, we're setting the boundaries higher for better storytelling. Or EDSCA are cheap, either way...
I love the model though. Am I a bad person?
Some caps from the video Butlin Boy posted:
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Looks much better than I expected!!!!
The only thing I just askes myself when I saw this huge Parachute Drop Towers:
Would it really be Walts intension to play Soldier in a Disney Park?
Yes, its from Toy Story... but the feeling of this prob doesn´t feel very cartoon-ish...
i like the look of the piccies looks very well themed and a number of good photo ops in there love it more and more
I have to admit the themening looks pretty good, however I still have my doubts regarding the choice of attractions, but I will save my judgement until I have experienced it for real (hopefully this summer).
The paratower looks ugly as hell. I didn't think it was possible to make a paratower even less attractive than Jumpin' Jellyfish, but I have been proved wrong!
I hope the RC Racer track isn't as bulky as that either. I love the way they have made absolutely no attempt to hide the bare purple supports. And what's with the dull generic buildings around it?
The theming overall looks mediocre. Nothing a park like Chessington or Alton Towers couldn't do.
It has it charmes! These rides fit Totally in Disneyland Paris :D!
Lol, I cant believe how many people on here love Star Tours! Its just a simulator? I like it, but only ever go on it once on each trip. Whilst I agree that HISTA does need attention too, I still prefer it.
Anywho.... by looking at all the model pictures, it would appear that RC will have vertical spikes? If so, surely that would mean the manufacturer would be Intamin? As far as I can remember, Zamperla's dont go vertical...
Though to contradict that, Intamin's tend to have their tri-track, not a solid flat track, like Zamperla's...
Oh I dunno :x
Quote from: "Martyn"Lol, I cant believe how many people on here love Star Tours! Its just a simulator? I like it, but only ever go on it once on each trip. Whilst I agree that HISTA does need attention too, I still prefer it.
Anywho.... by looking at all the model pictures, it would appear that RC will have vertical spikes? If so, surely that would mean the manufacturer would be Intamin? As far as I can remember, Zamperla's dont go vertical...
Though to contradict that, Intamin's tend to have their tri-track, not a solid flat track, like Zamperla's...
Oh I dunno :x
It's propably an Intamin, the solid look maybe is some customizing a bit to make it look like it's the toy track from the movies, but it's definitly an Intamin.
RC Racer is custom build by Zamperla. :)
The very first videoshots of TOY STORY PLAYLAND - The Construction ;)
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From @WDSFans (//http://twitter.com/wdsfans)
QuoteSpotted: Oversized Lincoln Logs toys on the Toy Story Playland construction site. The first themed elements have arrived!
Also from WDSfans on twitter:
Quote from: "WDSfans"RC Racer will have a capacity of 600 riders / hour.
The Crush's Coaster queues aren't gonna seem so bad when this thing opens. :shock:
Quote from: "RnRCj"Also from WDSfans on twitter:
Quote from: "WDSfans"RC Racer will have a capacity of 600 riders / hour.
The Crush's Coaster queues aren't gonna seem so bad when this thing opens. :shock:
:shock:
Thats an awful capacity for a Theme Park that gets a fifth of the amount of visitors that WDS gets, nevermind the amount of people the studios gets.
Seriously, who thought that choosing this ride-type was a good idea?
Come on guys, this is basic theme park design. Everybody knows that a huge factor when choosing a ride is its capacity, DLRP just seem to ignore this factor. :roll:
Quote from: "Willow"Thats an awful capacity for a Theme Park that gets a fifth of the amount of visitors that WDS gets, nevermind the amount of people the studios gets.
Seriously, who thought that choosing this ride-type was a good idea?
Come on guys, this is basic theme park design. Everybody knows that a huge factor when choosing a ride is its capacity, DLRP just seem to ignore this factor. :roll:
They did the same with Crush's Coaster. The capacity of the ride is awful! Hopefully they will create a Fastpass-line here, otherwise the lines will be as badly as C.C. and I don't think people are going to like that... :shock:
Quote from: "JelleP"Hopefully they will create a Fastpass-line here, otherwise the lines will be as badly as C.C. and I don't think people are going to like that... :shock:
Like Crush's Coaster, adding a fastpass will not solve the problem of low capacity and queue time. It will just make them worse by adding another queue and slowing down the normal queue. Its been tested on crush and hasnt been back since (ovibously didnt work).
With such a low capacity, and hopefully large crowds entering this land, this ride is going to have huge problems, its the largest and only thrill ride out of the 3 new rides. I have a feeling the buzz about this ride will be the same as crush and thats not good. 2 - 3 hour queues anyone ?
Although i think a single rider line could work really well on this ride :)
Quote from: "Owain"Although i think a single rider line could work really well on this ride :)
Very good idea.
Although it'll probably just be left for CMs to shout "Une personne??" down the queue.
Hmmmm, maybe people are now understanding my concerns about this area. Funny, PotC, IASW, and PM were designed to be monster people eaters, as were all the original Future World atrtractions at Epcot, and even the omnimovers of Buzz. Disney used to try hard not just with theming but also in improving capacity and guest experiences.
Sadly, DLP have lost the ability so it seems. In a park where you have to be mindful of times, whether it is for Moteurs Action, Playhouse Disney or Stitch Live in your chosen language, Cinemagique, or Animagique, here they are installing more attractions with limited capacity that will lead for long waits in an area that could frankly be in any regional park in the world if it were not for the commercial marketing of a Disney licence.
How far they have fallen. So much so, after 17 years, I sold my shares to DLP this month and wrote a letter to Disney to let them know why.
I am now considering selling our Marriott timeshare if I find it difficult to trade into other properties.
A single rider queue will be a great solution for avoiding the big crowds with a low capacity. Same as Crush´s Coaster, the RC Racer will have a lot of groups with 3 or 5 guests, so there often will be empty places in the vehicle! :?
This is an awfull capisity!
I don't think we have much to worry about regarding Toy Story Playland's low capacity, as many have already stated zero desire to ride these attractions. If anything these could take some preasure away from Crush and give Guest an opportunity to ride the coaster in less than the standard 60-80 minute wait.
I thought the WDS lacked capacity as a theme park, it opened with just two rides. Some people have already made their minds up about TSPL without even seeing it. They think it's rubbish already. TSPL will add capacity to the park as a whole. If Walt Disney had come up TSPL more people would have liked it. Just like they like the Tea Cups, Carousel and Flying Eliphants. Nobody minds the Flying Carpets in the Studios, but TSPL, oh no they can't do that.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Some people have already made their minds up about TSPL without even seeing it. They think it's rubbish already.
There's quite a lot of info already to make our minds up. Y'know... with the concept arts, the model and stuff. Besides, it doesn't take a genious to work out that three low capacity carnival rides with minimal theming is a bad idea for a Disney park (world famous for their unique experiences, the best theming in the world, and elaborate stories). Think about the long term effects as well. A huge orange piece of steel is not going to look good looming above a future Hollywood Boulevard expansion.
QuoteTSPL will add capacity to the park as a whole.
If they're trying to relieve the queues on Crush, creating more big queues with these rides isn't going to solve anything. C'mon.
600 rider per hour!!
QuoteIf Walt Disney had come up TSPL more people would have liked it.
But he didn't.
QuoteNobody minds the Flying Carpets in the Studios, but TSPL, oh no they can't do that.
Thing is, the Flying Carpets was the only carnival ride when WDS first opened. It was no big deal, and at least it had an appropriate story. For the small size of the park one carnival ride was enough. By the end of this expansion WDS will have five carnival rides (six if you count Crush), all squeezed into the same side of the park. It's going to looked like a dressed-up funfair. To compare, DLP only has four carnival rides (all very nicely themed) with around 15 non-carnival rides. A much better ratio!
WDS Fans just said this on Twitter: "Slinky Dog ZigZag Spin will have a capacity of 874 guests per hour." So the Slinky Dog will have a bigger capacity than the RC Racer? :shock:
And still a smaller capacity than Crush's Coaster. :shock:
I don't think DLRP is doing a good job with these new attractions... :oops:
Maybe there is a reason behind these such low capacity attractions. Firstly i still don't see WDS as a 'finished' park, there is still gaps for future attractions, so if anything new comes to the park, i see it as a good thing (i've probably stated that a lot in this thread but whatever). Also, remember that in a few years time we'll be getting a brand new E-Ticket ride beside these attractions, and, unless the Imagineers have all gone completely loopy, then it will be a "monster people eater" attraction. That combined with these three TSPL attractions will surely bring down that queue line at Crush, yeah we may have a bit of a large queue for RC Racer at the start, but i have faith Ratatouille will cut it down to size ;)
Who knows this could be some smart imagineering here (who would of thought the words "smart" and "imagineering" would be brought together like that in this thread!). Name me one attraction that was expected to be the major E-Ticket when WDS but failed at it? Give up? The Studio Tram Tour, i mean just look at it, it has 5 queue lines! The imagineers got it wrong that time, they won't want to make that mistake again.
Also does anyone know what the average wait for these halfpipe attractions are in other parks? Maybe it will give us a better idea of what's to expect?
WDS isn't a finished park nor is Disneyland. Disneyland will never be finished, I think Walt Disney said that. TOT is a great ride Crushes Coaster is, I wouldn't call them carny rides, myself. The expansion of the Studios has been much more than just a few carny rides. I'm sorry but I don't think anyone can run a Disney theme park better than Disney can. I hate to be controversial about it, but I still believe in them. I don't like all the rides, I wouldn't go on Rock n' Roller Coaster. With 15 million guests a year with different tastes, that's a lot of people to please, it's not just about what I like or not. The biggest complaint about the Studios when it opened was the lack of rides and themeing. I think Disney is addressing this issue. And just to add Walt Disney didn't come up with TSPL, I know. But then he didn't come up with TOT, Splash Mountain ( I know DLP doesn't have it) and BTM either. And I wouldn't call them carny rides.
I've queued about 15 minutes for Flamingoland's version, in peak summer season.
Flamingoland is a pretty small theme park, imagine what the wait will be like at Europe's biggest resort........
If you go to Disneyland Paris in the peak summer you will have to queue for a lot of the rides. If you go mid week in January you probably wont have to queue up for anything. If you 're worried about the queues and you want to avoid them go off season. Or take advantage of EMH in the morning.
QuoteSome people have already made their minds up about TSPL without even seeing it. They think it's rubbish already.
Give us a reason to be optimistic about this expansion. To be honest I wasn't until reading this thread that bothered by the expansion as I viewed it as a quick fix to add much needed capacity to the Studios. But after reading that these new rides have a low capacity count each hour I am kind of disapointed that Management and WDI have not learnt from the mistakes made with Crush.
QuoteIf Walt Disney had come up TSPL more people would have liked it. Just like they like the Tea Cups, Carousel and Flying Eliphants. Nobody minds the Flying Carpets in the Studios, but TSPL, oh no they can't do that.
No we like the Tea Cups and Dumbo because they help compliment Fantasyland and its many other attractions. Walt Disney was also not stupid enough as to build a new land and only stick in three carnival rides. Do you think everyone would be in such uproar on this issue if Toy Story Mania had also been part of the expansion phase. Also I recall many complaining about the Carpets when the park first opened.
I quess it depends on how you see it then. I certainly don't see why people should be so pessimistic about it. It is happening, they're building it, and I think Disney know a thing or two about theme parks and theme park design. I don't view Crush as a mistake myself, I think it's a very good ride. But yeah, you can end up queueing for it, just like at BTM or Space Mountain. We usually like to do Crush first thing in the morning before it gets too busy. I have no objection to Toy Story Mania. But it's hard to see how that would fit in any better with the film studios theme of the park. Maybe we'll get it one day. I can recall many complaining about the studios when it opened and it was mostly to do with the themeing and lack of rides. Just to add we haven't seen TSPL yet, only in pictures and models, and that's not the same thing as being in the park and experienceing it for ourselves. And TSPL is part of Toon Studio, it's not really a land in it's own right like Fantasyland or Adventureland. I think the word Toon sums it up, it is about cartoon characters, and Toy Story is a cartoon film albeit a Pixar cartoon.
QuoteI certainly don't see why people should be so pessimistic about it. It is happening, they're building it, and I think Disney know a thing or two about theme parks and theme park design.
Yeah because Disney's California Adventure, Walt Disney Studios Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland are perfect examples of this. Please remind me how much Disney has had to pay out in recent years on fixing up these park because the company misjudge its audience and its needs.
QuoteI don't view Crush as a mistake myself, I think it's a very good ride. But yeah, you can end up queueing for it, just like at BTM or Space Mountain. We usually like to do Crush first thing in the morning before it gets too busy.
Crush is a fun attraction and I'm not disputing this, but the ride wasn't built for the crowds that it attracts. BTM and SM can also post long waits but these usually only happen on peak days, but for Crush even on an average day you can still expect to wait up to 45 minutes. You, yourself have stated that you only ride it first thing in the morning because it gets to busy after that. With the new attractions like RC Racer only having an hourly capacity of about 600 Guest less than Crush, how is building Toy Story Playland going to be considered a positive move.
QuoteAnd TSPL is part of Toon Studio, it's not really a land in it's own right like Fantasyland or Adventureland. I think the word Toon sums it up, it is about cartoon characters, and Toy Story is a cartoon film albeit a Pixar cartoon.
Well in Hong Kong its described as a seperate land, so we must consider refering to it in the same at the Studios.
Quote from: "ed-uk"If you go mid week in January you probably wont have to queue up for anything.
nope, when we went in january this year, queues were 40 minutes on Space Mountain, 30 on Big Thunder, 80 on Crush, and quite long on some of the others
I think something is going to have be done though, queues on RC Racer will be ridiculous :(
Let's bear in mind that 600 riders per hour is only if everything runs perfectly. That involves riders boarding, securing restraints, going through the whole ride cycle, and unloading in exactly 3 minutes. Then think about problems that will regularly occur like disabled visitors, people deciding not to ride at the last minute, people throwing up, technical difficulties etc..
There's no way I would queue two hours to ride a short plain carnival ride, and I'm sure there will be lots of "regular" guests with the same frame of mind. Why bother queuing two hours for something we can get at any theme park when we have world-class attractions like Tower of Terror right next door?
I have been one of the most positive members of Magic Forum about the new additions, and I feel that that Disney are making many mistakes.
If Disney know so much about theme park design why are they placing 3 low capacity rides in an area of the park that is already full of low capacity rides?
I, and most other people realise, that this is a bad idea.
I just don't understand who is justifying these decisions, there are similar attractions available will almost double the capacity. Is it a financial issue? Or just poor decision making?
The problems of Walt Disney Studios will not go away by adding more low capacity attractions, there needs to be attractions of around 2000pph added.
Look at the queues Big Thunder Mountain gets, and its capacity is 4 times that of RC-Racer.
Another point to mention is the physical length of the queueline, methinks they could easily overflow during busy periods. It will make the area look very untidy.
The theme is fine, its the rediculous choice of ride-type that baffles me.
If future additions at WDS is of the same mould I will definitely start questioning if the management and if they are the right people in charge.
(As a side note, I really dislike the term "Carnival-rides" for numerous reasons)
It is very apparent to me that Disney has had it's epoch and will never be the same again.
I grew up with always being excited about the next attraction or animated feature. But instead, for the last few years, the gap has been narrowing.
My concern here is not whether something is to my taste or not. Heck, I think Mission Space is totally overrated, but I am still glad Disney had a try at it. It is the fact that they are installing something that isn't even as ambitious as the Thomasland installed in Drayton Manor UK and going into the Six Flags parks in Vallejo and So Cal, Massachusetts, Georgia and Maryland.
With the problems WDSP already has, and now the poor capacity of this section. This is not in the Disney spirit IMHO. Walt Disney wanted parks where everyone would have fun together. Most of the attractions until the 80's offered this. Now it's like - let's build something for the kids or the thrill seekers. Funny, they used to build something for everyone.
And i was in the resort when they tested the height balloons for RC Racer. This is going to be the first time you will be able to see exposed steel rides in themed environments where you should not be able to.
I don't want to sound pompous, but a lot of fans are looking for an amusement park experience to have fun with the family, and do not realise what makes DIsney great. And it is getting worse. So yes, I am an elitist. Disney used to be about so much more. It used to be about immersive themes, attention to detail, strong story telling, attractions for the whole family. This is the antithesis of this.
Carnival rides inspire no one. After 30+ years of being a scholar of Disney history, it really saddens me. As a kid, Disney experiences inspired me to learn more about zoology (Jungle Cruise), Piracy, the supernatural, physics, american history, about the world, and so much more. And I know from all the years of mingling with Disney fans that I am not alone.
Sadly, all these toon attractions may be fun, but I doubt they inspire many. They seem like cheap cash-ins with very little pay back.
And it is not even like they add much to the asthetics or capacity of the parks.
Hence my vorciferous anger. I feel cheated. I feel like Disney has totally lost it's way. I feel like I no longer have the respite I once had. And it makes me jaded and hateful of those who might be just as happy the following year going to a center parks or another amusement park. That is not what Disney is about. Whereas a decade or so, you could argue that Disney was for all ages, that is becoming the case less and less. Ya, my 6 and 4 year old may enjoy it now (but they enjoy the much closer Legoland just as much), with the current trajectory, they are likely to outgrow the parks. Back in the days where they were pushing the boundaries and creating real tomorrowlands, or new experiences in the other lands that did not revolve around marketing synergies for the children and tween market, that was not as likely to be the situation.
"When you're curious, you find lots of interesting things to do. And one thing it takes to accomplish something is courage." WD
Disney have lost their curiosity.
Walt Disney said "You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway." The company seem to have forgotten this also.
"Adults are interested if you don't play down to the little 2 or 3 year olds or talk down. I don't believe in talking down to children. I don't believe in talking down to any certain segment. I like to kind of just talk in a general way to the audience. Children are always reaching." Shame Disney no longer do.
"We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together." There will be height restrictions, and this will put off a lot of older guests too.
"Disneyland is a show."
Where is the show in this new land?
I think the EuroDisney project in Europe is hugely ambitious. A resort the size of Disneyland Paris has never been tried in Europe before, in America maybe, but never in Europe. People can't say Disney have no ambition in this regard. DLP is Europes most popular tourist destination, and not for nothing. And what's possible in American might not turn out quite the same in Europe. Disneyland Paris is much more than any old amusement park experience. Nothing like Legoland, which isn't even open at the moment. TSPL is just a small part of WDS, and if the rumours of a dark ride based on Ratatouille come to fruition than I think Toon Studio will be very good. If you want a theme park based on educating people, then you would have to have it in many languages so everybody could understand it in Europe and learn.
I think Les Visionarium handled Edutainment and language very well. As does the tram tour or Moteurs Action. I have no beef about DLP circa 1992 or even 2000. But Buzz, Mission 2, TSPL and even Crush are huge mis-steps IMHO.
Despite the height restrictions, at least ToT is more Disney in it's execution. And although for a narrow demo, Playhouse Disney and Stitch Live were ok.
And DLP may be open, but I would never go in winter. It's too cold and more and more of the attractions and queues are being made outdoors. TSPL is not addressing that, it is in fact being made worse.
WDSP in winter is very unpleasant unless you are in Studio 1 or one of the theatre attractions.
You know what, i'm just going to give up my hopes on TSPL. And now I have had it of pixar rides (apart for Ratatouille which has been in the works for some time) appearing in the parks, Is this really the end of the Disney we know so well? :(
If they announce yet another pixar ride for next year...I don't really want to talk about it. :-({|=
I don't mind quite as much if it is a pixar or trad Disney theme (though neither is even better - IMHO, the best attractions Disney have ever done are not tied to a Disney/Pixar theme - Phantom Manor, Big Thunder, Jungle Cruise, Indy in Cal and Tokyo, PotC, IASW, Space Mountain, Star Tours, Les Vis, Spaceship Earth (actually most of the Futureworld pavillions), American Adventure. Great Movie Ride, Moteurs Action, Cinemagique (a couple of hints), ToT, RNRC, Killemenjaro Safari and the trails, Grizzly River Rapids, Expedition Everest (though too many of these are thrills), Dinosaur, Soarin', Journey to the Centre of the Earth, 20k, Stormrider
The only exceptions in the last 30 years are perhaps Splash Mountain, Monsters Inc, and the Tokyo Pooh.
It is whether the stories are compelling and immersive that really matter. This TSPL is neither IMHO.
But it's your money folks. IF you want to spend a couple of grand on a hotel with poor maintenance and service, eat in homogenous buffets where people spread their germs over the bland food, and get excited out of marketting push of carnie rides, good for you. After all, PT Barnum said one was born every minute.
Personally, I would rather have a quality hotel experience for a fair price. Be able to have a selection of interesting places to dine. And have a rich tapestry of entertainment and shopping offerings that Walt Disney and Michael Eisner conditioned me to expect. What made me a fan in the first place.
All I can say is I have much more of a disposable income these days, so I guess that is a bonus.
Well I'm glad you 've got more of a disposable income these days, that's something for us cheer about. I notice your comments about Michael Eisner, phew. Most people blame him for the mistakes made at WDS, DCA and the tiny HKDL. But I'm glad he gave you a rich tapestry of entertainment and shopping offerings. Even Roy Disney went off him in the end. You've been conditioned, I have a mind of my own thank you very much.
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Back on topic please [-o<
No doubt Eisner lost it in the latter days. But I do not think anyone can dispute the amazing things he did in his first 10 years:
WDW expansion with great hotels and a variety of offerings
DL expansion
Tokyo Disney Sea
Cruise Lines
The rebirth of animation
the support of Pixar
DLP
the birth of Disney theatrical
Touchstone
Miramax
Hollywood Pictures
Those first 10 years were as significant as Walt's contributions.
Compare that to Iger's contributions - decline of most parks, and films
Purchase of PIXAR (this was smart though)
Purchase of Muppets and Marvel - jury out on those.
ed-uk, may I kindly ask you to re-read some of davewasbaloo's posts. I get the feeling you are skimming through them and just ignoring everything he says. No matter what we say you try to keep finding excuses to make everything seem all fine and dandy. Well, sorry to say this, but it's not. And it's not all a matter of opinion either. There has been a loss in quality at Disney resorts - it's undeniable. We don't bring up these thing for sake of it. I am genuinely worried that Disney will never return to it's former standards, but it seems that you don't really care at all about this. Sadly the more people don't care about it, the more the standards are going to slip.
Here's a friendly looking smiley in case I'm coming across as aggressive, that is not my aim at all: :wink:
Now, to keep this post on topic:
Toy Story Playland
-- awful capacity on the attractions, long queues.
-- of-the-shelf uninspiring rides with little theming and bare steel showing.
-- a skyline likely to be ruined by huge pieces of steel.
-- no restaurants, shops, or any real attempt at area development.
-- a theme that is arguably over-used.
-- a theme that is inappropriate to the park.
...just my little summary of what we should all be expecting in Summer 2010! :mrgreen:
Quote from: "RnRCj"Toy Story Playland
-- awful capacity on the attractions, long queues.
-- of-the-shelf uninspiring rides with little theming and bare steel showing.
-- a skyline likely to be ruined by huge pieces of steel.
-- no restaurants, shops, or any real attempt at area development.
-- a theme that is arguably over-used.
-- a theme that is inappropriate to the park.
1 = true; but more overall park capacity
2 = not completely true, Slinky Dog Zig Zag Spin (or whatever were meant to call it :wink: ) looks quite well themed
3 = the long grass might go someway to hiding it but thats just my wishful thinking :(
4 = they might add some sort of food location (probably one of those vans thay have dressed up round WDS) in the future
5 = well, thats completely true, no questions asked
6 = depends what they use as a backstory, they had a weak alibi with TOT, "were filming an episode of the Twilight Zone and built the whole set". What about that Honey I Shrunk the Kids thing at DHS :?:
On an unrelated note, since park opening nearly all development, except TOT, has come on the east of the park, and looks like it might continue that way, leaving a barren Production Courtyard and Backlot to contend with, only names and interiors have changed there, nothing new built
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Compare that to Iger's contributions - decline of most parks, and films
Purchase of PIXAR (this was smart though)
Purchase of Muppets and Marvel - jury out on those.
Was it not Eisner responsible for the purchase of the Muppets. I was under the impression he brought them before stepping down from his position as CEO.
As for Iger the verdict is still out, I feel its wrong to bash his contributions towards the parks because he hasn't had a chance to really mark his stamp on them. The DCA expansion will be his true test, and the recent Exec swap. If Tom Staggs is able to restore some of the quality that has been lost in recent years, than it was a smart move by Iger to swap him and Rasulo around. Also it will be interesting to see how the Studio business changes now Dick Cook has resigned. The fact Iger has decided to make changes at the top indicates to me he's currently not happy with the direction of the company.
I really do hope and pray you are right James.
RnRcj, I always read Davewasbaloo with great interest and amazement. I just don't share his views much. I have never said that I think everything is always fine and dandy in the parks. I know Disney can make mistakes, sometimes they even make a bad film. I still believe Disney know a think or two about theme parks and theme park design. With 11 theme parks in the world I think they must. Expanding into China even, unthinkable 25 years ago. And kindly don't hold me responsible for the direction the Disney company is being led. If you don't like the way things are going in the theme parks it's not down to me.
I don't think anyone can deny that the Disney Theme Parks have reduced in quality in the noughties. The only exception to the rule is Tokyo.
Thank you for your posts davewasbaloo, they were very interesting. Although we don't often agree on various points I still respect your opinion.
Slinky's Box is starting to be put together...
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Source: Newton on Disney Central Plaza (//http://disneycentralplaza.englishboard.net/disneyland-paris-f6/futur-land-toy-story-playland-ete-2010-t13853-80.htm)
QuoteToy Soldiers Parachute Drop will have a capacity of 720 guests / hour.
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Looks like queues on all the TSPL attractions will be stupidly long :x
Personally, I'm not going to queue long for these 3 attractions, I don't know about anyone else?
You know , I think you should see it as a total view , not per ride, but one whole themepart.
Agreed, but the tacky theming approach and the nature of them being off the shelf carnival rides are not what Disney is all about, in fact it seems to go against the very reason why Walt created Disneyland.
I guess you could argue that at the bare bones of Disneyland, Walt wanted the adults to be able to play and join in, instead of just watching the children on the carousels. TSPL is almost making childrens toys suitable for adults to explore and enjoy again - it's grabbing at straws, but I can almost justify it that way.
The rides don't excite me, much in the way that Crush doesn't - I'll admit too that I wasn't excited by Race Rally, but when I saw it, there was a flicker of Disney to the area they put it in, and I'm hoping that this is the same with TSPL. My one big fear is that oversized "we've shrunk you" theming never seems to work, for me it didn't with Toy Story Mania's queueline, HISTC Play Area, and I'm terrified that the area will just be massive fiberglass blades of grass!
They may pull this off well, and it may work (afterall, it gives the park more capacity overall, which should soak up some of the Crush lines) to tie into a future development (Ratatouille in particular), so I guess I'm on the fence, it's not wonderful Disney magic as it used to be, but it's not horrendously out of place that it'll detract from the park.
Well... I totally agree with Scissorsboi.
Cars Race Rally looks great in my opinion, and i really didn't expected that. I just hope TSPL will look as great as in this picture (//http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/1261622.jpg) and that it won't be just strange grass blades made out of fiberglass...
Construction is really speeding ahead now...
:arrow: http://www.dlrptimes.com/article-chanti ... 44396.html (http://www.dlrptimes.com/article-chantier-toy-story-playland-42244396.html)
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Just a quick question ... are they building the giant Buzz or was that just for the concept deisgn. Cause a 20ft Buzz would be sweet !!
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Quote from: "JelleP"that it won't be just strange grass blades made out of fiberglass...
There won't be any fake grass, it will all be very very very tall bamboo. (VERY) And they kept a number of trees that will hide RC Racer better.
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Just a quick question ... are they building the giant Buzz or was that just for the concept deisgn. Cause a 20ft Buzz would be sweet !!
Yes, the Buzz statue will serve as the main entrance to the land (the barrel from Barrel of Monkeys will be the second). It will be 3 metres tall (but I don't think that includes the toy blocks he's standing on).
@The Butlin Boy; if TSPL is going to look like the third picture in your link, then it isn't that bad at all! :D
I had heared on some conection opening April 2010 and othere Summer 2010.
which is right ?
As far as I know the official line from Disney has been Summer 2010.
Quote from: "Magicboy"I had heared on some conection opening April 2010 and othere Summer 2010.
which is right ?
Late August 2010.
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Just a quick question ... are they building the giant Buzz or was that just for the concept deisgn. Cause a 20ft Buzz would be sweet !!
Yes, the Buzz statue will serve as the main entrance to the land (the barrel from Barrel of Monkeys will be the second). It will be 3 metres tall (but I don't think that includes the toy blocks he's standing on).
3 meters, is that all. I was hoping for something grander in scale. 3 meters is the height of a Na'vi in Avatar. 30 meters ....... now you're talking.
QuoteLate August 2010.
Are you sure that it is late August?
I think it's bussines technically and strategically stupid ...
some of you don´t like the Attractions from TSPL, but I think those are the first to take the toy soldiers parachute drop, to make pictures of the expansion of the WDS :lol:
Late August is very, uhm, late. The first months of the NGF are going to be very dull.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"some of you don´t like the Attractions from TSPL, but I think those are the first to take the toy soldiers parachute drop, to make pictures of the expansion of the WDS :lol:
If Ratatouille is greenlit, we'll be doing a
lot of toy soldier training!
Anyway, came here to post this quote from MiceAge:
QuoteWorld of Color is promising to remake the entire operation of DCA. In order to create a suitable atmosphere for the heartstring-tugging show Steve Davison has created, every Paradise Pier attraction except Midway Mania is going to be cycled out, shut down and silenced before the show begins. They may even have to close Midway Mania if the wandering and frustrated crowds overwhelm that modest attraction that only handles 1,000 riders per hour.
Now lets add up the official capacities of the TSPL attractions: 600 (RC Racer) + 874 (Slinky Dog Spin) + 720 (Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop) = 2194.
So for (surely) less than half the price, WDS is technically getting more than twice the capacity of Midway Mania.
Just thought that was interesting...
Quote from: "lil-shawn"QuoteLate August 2010.
Are you sure that it is late August?
I think it's bussines technically and strategically stupid ...
some of you don´t like the Attractions from TSPL, but I think those are the first to take the toy soldiers parachute drop, to make pictures of the expansion of the WDS :lol:
On my email reply that disneyland paris sent me they said that toy story playland will open in june b4 summer 2010 begins like they promised:D
I remember reading somewhere that there was a rumour that construction was 2 months behind schedule, which would make sense as the August date mentioned by Kristof is around 2 months after the originally rumoured opening date of June.
I think it should be open in March/June, to make next years theme more worthwhile. However, as DLRP is open all year its not as big of a deal that the attraction isn't opening until late. (Most other theme parks open their attractions in Spring)
Quote from: "Willow"I remember reading somewhere that there was a rumour that construction was 2 months behind schedule, which would make sense as the August date mentioned by Kristof is around 2 months after the originally rumoured opening date of June.
I think it should be open in March/June, to make next years theme more worthwhile. However, as DLRP is open all year its not as big of a deal that the attraction isn't opening until late. (Most other theme parks open their attractions in Spring)
Gd point Willow...lets just hope it opens in june... Well from the looks of things the construction is going fast:D maybe in april we will have an idea....lets hope so;)
Quote from: "Anthony"Now lets add up the official capacities of the TSPL attractions: 600 (RC Racer) + 874 (Slinky Dog Spin) + 720 (Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop) = 2194.
Interesting observation. Thanks for pointing this out.
Toy Story Playland will probably not be much of an attendance driver at the Studios (at least not once the novelty has worn of a bit).
So, even with the low capacity of each individual ride, could these additions actually ease up the overall wait times at the park?
Lets just pray that it opens in the beggining of july 2010 for my visit....:D
i think that i will shoot some videomatrial this weeknd :)
[youtube:1fj702s9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O1KVZ_0NRw&feature=sub[/youtube:1fj702s9]
Its NOT a report , but a update.
Brilliant video bro:) nice to see the area starting to get built;)
Quote from: "Donald-Duck-Malta"Brilliant video bro:) nice to see the area starting to get built;)
Nice to get some respect back ;)
You can expect this every month. Next update is on 13 februari ;) Fences dont do me something :P Reporterdavid gets his tapes ;)
but only on this channel...http://www.youtube.com/user/DLPChannel (http://www.youtube.com/user/DLPChannel)
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"3 meters, is that all. I was hoping for something grander in scale. 3 meters is the height of a Na'vi in Avatar. 30 meters ....... now you're talking.
I think it will have to be a bit taller than that. It will have to have at least 2 metres through Buzz's legs to allow sufficient head height and it will have to be sufficiently wide to allow a big enough gap to walk through. If Buzz is on a 1 metre block on each side, then a 3 metre one will be ok, but it would only leave enough room for 1 person to walk under at a time and not even a buggy. Imagine you are standing on 2 blocks - not many people could walk under you and you are most likely 1.7 metres. 4 metres plus some 1 metre blocks?
It's 3 metres... :wink: but like I and you've said, that doesn't include the blocks. :)
Quote from: "Kristof"It's 3 metres... :wink: but like I and you've said, that doesn't include the blocks. :)
It is going to need at least 1 metre blocks and either Buzz does the splits or a bit of a squat position to provide sufficient width of the entrance - I would assume they will want a few metres (3) rather than a small entrance - unless that it is a desired effect? It will have to be big enough for a wheelchair and double buggy, so at least 2 metres.
I look forward to seeing Buzz looming over - not sure if it is going to have the same effect if it isn't going to be huge! :?
Buzz isn't straddling the entrance to the land, there are large gaps either side and he's positioned slightly further out, like a statue, so it's more something to walk around rather than directly under.
The size seems about right to me. I'd still have preferred the robot idea to a dead-eyed version of a main character (who'll presumably be walking around nearby anyway) but at least it's not as bad as the All Stars Movie Resort... http://www.lifthill.com/images/2009/03/ ... ue-400.jpg (http://www.lifthill.com/images/2009/03/Rumor-Giant-Buzz-Lightyear-at-TS-Playland-statue-400.jpg) Yuk.
Quotewho'll presumably be walking around nearby anyway
Interesting you mention this. Apparently, the show writers of the land have forbidden character meet 'n' greets at TSPL. There are quite a few photo locations (6 or so) instead.
Quote from: "Kristof"Quotewho'll presumably be walking around nearby anyway
Interesting you mention this. Apparently, the show writers of the land have forbidden character meet 'n' greets at TSPL. There are quite a few photo locations (6 or so) instead.
I think that's sensible considering it's size, to have characters being mobbed in that space would be so unnecessary!
Quote from: "luke85"Quote from: "Kristof"Quotewho'll presumably be walking around nearby anyway
Interesting you mention this. Apparently, the show writers of the land have forbidden character meet 'n' greets at TSPL. There are quite a few photo locations (6 or so) instead.
I think that's sensible considering it's size, to have characters being mobbed in that space would be so unnecessary!
That and it'd ruin the illussion of being their size. If they keep it to scale (as if you were a toy) the only characters that they could realistically have walking around would be the Green Army Men, which wouldn't be bad considering that they have their own attraction.
I'm glad to hear this news though, I think it'd work better that way :)
Construction photo by Disneytheque.com from past Tuesday.
The building on the background is part of RC Racer. The frame on the right is the Slinky Dog box. :)
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Here's a thought: Whats everyone's opinion that Toy Story Playland should get a Christmas overlay in the same way that "A Bugs Land" gets?
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The christmas lights are shown on scale model, so I assume they will be part of the land all year long. :-)
This is a nice update.
Nice!! Please, will be TS Playland open from 1.July - 100% ??
No opening date has been announced and in fact, the latest we've heard is that the opening could be late August 2010.
Quote from: "Anthony"No opening date has been announced and in fact, the latest we've heard is that the opening could be late August 2010.
Oh, nooo... :cry: Thx yo :(
Quote from: "Anthony"No opening date has been announced and in fact, the latest we've heard is that the opening could be late August 2010.
thanks 4 the info update Anthony,if you have any new updates please advise us ASAP :) thanks once again
P.S-Dont you think it will be ready by july since disney promised it would be ready for summer 2010 right? 8)Also knowing that the tram tour will be closed from march till may,Shows that the toy story playland area which will take some of the old tram tour area would be finished by end of may :shock: I have a feeling they are saying it will be ready for august just to play it safe( as usual) [-o<
Lets keep our fingers crossed,cause for my summer 2010 trip I wanna visit when the new theme area opens! :(
Is this site related to WDSFans.com? I can't remember. Too many different websites. Anyway, here's a photo they posted of the Toy Story Playland model:
http://twitpic.com/z738l/full (http://twitpic.com/z738l/full%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Although the model doesn't look bad, I'm still not sure what to think about TSPL. I think I have to wait until it is finished to judge.
Quote from: "Alan"Is this site related to WDSFans.com?
Look in the header... :wink:
No comments from me, you know how I feel, but if you watch towards the end of this video, you will see HK's version (now if we were getting the muppet alk arounds, Grizzly Peak or Mystic Point style attractions, I would be more excited).
http://news.hkdlsource.com/story/318 (http://news.hkdlsource.com/story/318%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Just came to post that:
[youtube:25s6khan]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEYPFy4VYbU[/youtube:25s6khan]
Also spot Uncle John looking over it!
"And this Studio Tram Tour thing over here, what are you going to do about THAT?"
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The HK land is basically a mirrored version of the one originally designed for Paris, so that's "our" model he's looking over. They obviously didn't bother making another. I wonder where he is there, Paris, HK, Glendale?
Also in that video:
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Well, after watching the video, this addition the the park really does sit in the "cars race rally" mould for me. The kind of attraction I have no interest at all on riding, but brings much needed theming to the park.
If it looks anywhere near like the models, then it will be a nice addition, just not my thing at all. If anything hopefully it will bring some much needed greenery to the concrete carpark that is WDS
We have ridden Cars Race Rally and it was a lot of fun, because the "cars" soin really fast with two adults in the back row.
Quote from: "dagobert"We have ridden Cars Race Rally and it was a lot of fun, because the "cars" soin really fast with two adults in the back row.
I totally agree, I was really surprised as to how quick they moved, it was great fun!
Quote from: "Anthony"The HK land is basically a mirrored version of the one originally designed for Paris, so that's "our" model he's looking over. They obviously didn't bother making another. I wonder where he is there, Paris, HK, Glendale?
I think he could be looking at Hong Kong Disneyland model Anthony but I could be wrong.. Is that a Jungle Cruise boat behind RC Racer? I know on the HKDL expansion plan map TSPL is beside Adventureland. As I said I could be wrong!
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QuoteI think he could be looking at Hong Kong Disneyland model Anthony but I could be wrong.. Is that a Jungle Cruise boat behind RC Racer? I know on the HKDL expansion plan map TSPL is beside Adventureland. As I said I could be wrong!
It's definitely the Paris model. What you're referring to is in fact the power supply, themed to a gas station. :)
I can't believe that they are actually building this.. after all the great things they created.. :-k
QuoteI can't believe that they are actually building this.. after all the great things they created..
Welcome to the club Japper. This is why I am sooooo angry, and even more so at fans getting excited by it. Where is the incentive to try harder?
For the fans; a collection of screenshots from the HKDL video in one image:
http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/n ... kdlvid.jpg (http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/tspl_model_hkdlvid.jpg%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
A few things have changed since the model was moved from Glendale to Paris. The plane pointed to the sky in front TSPD has been removed and the RC Racer black box with the logo on it won't happen either.
Enjoy :-)
We missed these, all dated January 21ST
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Quote from: "Kristof"http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/tspl_model_hkdlvid.jpg
A few things have changed since the model was moved from Glendale to Paris. The plane pointed to the sky in front TSPD has been removed and the RC Racer black box with the logo on it won't happen either.
I presume the one bottom-left is more specific to Hong Kong? Hopefully that big house backdrop isn't coming to Paris. It's also the most unappealing piece of all the artwork, very flat and tarmac-y, WDS circa-2002...
It was a concept for Paris, in fact, the version I saw had 2 RC Racers, each with one car holding 4 people.
I quite like the house addition actually. If they add that (and do it good) then it will be a fantastic piece of theming, really making you feel like a toy.
Well those photos look good I guess. :|
They should add something like Al's Toy Barn with a load of Pixar toys in it. :lol:
Quote from: "Columbiad"I quite like the house addition actually. If they add that (and do it good) then it will be a fantastic piece of theming, really making you feel like a toy.
Shame about the rides though!
Just read this...http://dlrpexpress.over-blog.com/articl ... 25066.html (http://dlrpexpress.over-blog.com/article-date-d-ouverture-de-toy-story-playland-43925066.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Glad theres finally a date
Oh how annoying, I'm looking to book for the 6th-10th June!
sweeeeet:) It will be open for june:D
Finally found the original source: http://www.french-tourisme.com/index.ph ... land-paris (http://www.french-tourisme.com/index.php/agenda/details/51-ouverture-de-toy-story-playland-a-disneyland-paris%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Magicforum disclaimer: Don't take this as the final date yet. No-one else appears to have heard it...
Quote from: "luke85"Oh how annoying, I'm looking to book for the 6th-10th June!
It is highly likely that they'll have soft openings then, so you'll probably be able to go there before it opens :wink:
I hope so :)
I think people should stop being negative towards this, at least until it has opened and they have been there.
I was very annoyed when I heard that Crush's Coaster was going to be a standard model MS Spinner, but look how that turned out! Its now one of my favourite rides at DLP. I just think people should give DLP a chance, stop moaning about it before its even been built.
Are there plans for any restraunts in the area? I was really hoping that they would take this oppotunity to build a REAL Pizza Planet, and then close the pathetic one in Discoveryland.
Some of us work in roles where we have to set 5 - 10 strategies. If the vision is flawed, then the end product is likely to be flawed. Although I will happily admit if I am wrong. Cars came out better than I thought, Crush is still a huge problem for the park and should have never been built.
I was genuinely looking forward to Crush, but now I wish it was never even considered. Not only is it a low capacity attraction with horrible queues and bad reliability, I also think the ride itself is very disappointing.
TSPL hasn't got me excited at all. Even the rest of my family, who I would consider to be "average" Disneyland guests, replied with an unenthusiastic "oh, is that it?" when I told them what was going on behind the construction walls last September.
My brother is 11 years old - about the age group this land is aimed for. When I showed him the concept arts the first thing he said was: "it looks like something Chessington or Thorpe Park would do". I'm not kidding.
Disney really need to get their act together.
Yep, in this case, nothing is better than something. At least with nothing, you are likely to be able to see SOMETHING worth seeing later.
Tastes are different and I like Crush a lot. You are absolutely right that there are better executed attractions and the reliability is also not the beat. Nevertheless I think it is a nice family attraction.
Concerning TSPL I wait until it is finished until I judge, but until now I'm also not very impressed by it. I do understand that WDS needs some attractions for the little ones, but they could have done something better. Especially I'm not very happy with the parachute attraction.
I think it would have been better if Disney had chosen only one attraction for children to be built and save the rest for a nice Ratatouille dark ride.
At my work 2 families are going this year , they loved the brochure and TSPL so I guess you cant please of the people all of the time but these families seemed impressed especially 4 year old tom - he is really looking forward to TSPL.
Quote from: "Martyn"I was very annoyed when I heard that Crush's Coaster was going to be a standard model MS Spinner, but look how that turned out! Its now one of my favourite rides at DLP. I just think people should give DLP a chance, stop moaning about it before its even been built.
If Crush's Coaster (I still dislike the name) is any indication for Toy Story Playland, we really should get worried. Its still a standard MS Spinner in a box, without any major effects along the way. Yes, the small darkride portion of the ride is okay, although its way too static in my opinion, but the coaster part itself is simply underwhelming. I haven't seen any decorations or other ways to convince me as a guest that I am in the EAC. And don't even mention the lack of transition at the end of the ride when people are suddendly back in the loading area.
Besides the the issue's regarding the theming, the ride isn't suitable for small children (quite odd when you pick a film like Nemo to theme it after) and the ride capacity is way too small. Imagineering should have known these issue's even during the design process. Crush's Coaster is way too overrated in my opinion, and I still don't get why people are so fond of it, maybe someone can explain?
I would choose Armageddon, one of the most underrated attractions in the Studios, over Crush's Coaster any day.
Quote from: "smurfy74"At my work 2 families are going this year , they loved the brochure and TSPL so I guess you cant please of the people all of the time but these families seemed impressed especially 4 year old tom - he is really looking forward to TSPL.
But, are these people who know what Disney are all about, or who have only been to regional parks? Makes a big difference. Compared to Alton Towers, these are ok. Compared to Disney or Universal standards, it is aweful.
And are these the type to go somewhere else when their kids outgrow the parks. That never used to be a big problem, but that problem is getting bigger.
They dont know about the history of any of the parks etc, but they usually go on summer sun holidays and now they are going to Disney - they have said if they like it then they will go again, they arent likely to go when they are older as they are going for the kids. They have chosen this as an alternative to taking them to Alton Towers etc for a short break, so im guessing these are guests that are really needed to increase attendance, they havent really considered it as a short break destination before, but the brochure really grabbed their attention ( the cover is amazing compared to other brochures purely because its shiney ) and the fact that one of their kids is Toy Story mad sealed the deal so to speak - so its Disney thats getting over a £1000 as opposed to somewhere else.
I think Crush's Coaster is a great attraction, one of my favourites at the whole resort. It just has capacity issues. Also, I think there are a lot of people in the queue that don't know/realise what it is. There are lots of parents queueing up with little kids, not realising the ride is a massive roller coaster.
Quote from: "Alan"I think Crush's Coaster is a great attraction, one of my favourites at the whole resort. It just has capacity issues. Also, I think there are a lot of people in the queue that don't know/realise what it is. There are lots of parents queueing up with little kids, not realising the ride is a massive roller coaster.
We are also fans of Crush's Coaster. At first we were sceptical, too, but after the first ride it was a lot of fun. Sure there are better attractions, but it was a good addition to the Studios, like Cars Race Rally. I know it is a ride for children, but we couldn't resist and rode Cars. This ride is also a lot of fun, because the cars spin really fast.
I would say that the Toon Studio addition was a lot better than the upcoming TSPL addition.
The huge green support for the "Toy Soliders Parachute Drop" went up this morning! I'm not relly commenting on this project until it is finished - but the only word I can say so far is "eyesore" :roll: :|
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Shh shh, can you hear that... it's the oncoming stampede of negativity that's going to hit this board like a train! :roll: :P
I mean - Armagedon is very boring and bad attraction from all WDS attractions :( :cry: I was so frustrated after this attraction :| :(
Tower of Terror is the best and Rocknroller Coaster too :)
Still not sure about TSPL. At DCA and TDS there are also attractions like the parachute drop? I think they are called Jumping Jellyfish. Did Disney get a discount from the manufacturer for buying four of these attractions?
Do you know if Disney is replacing the Jumping Jellyfish at DCA during the makeover?
Quote from: "dagobert"Do you know if Disney is replacing the Jumping Jellyfish at DCA during the makeover?
No, it's staying. I think it was just repainted?
The camouflage design on this tower was the one thing that really stuck out as ugly to me on the model, and it's no improvement in real life. Very much lacking in style or imagination. A single colour or a more subtle pattern would have been preferable. At least it should get better from here...
I just wrote an epically long reply but it hasn't shown up. I honestly can't even begin to be be bothered to type it all out again but the general gist of it was, don't like it, don't like it, don't it.
I was part of that stampede!
I was hoping the whole idea would grow on me but it really hasn't, Toy Story being over done in the parks, attraction design is not great to say the least. Slinkys Zig-Zag Spin is a dreadful name and downright insulting to childrens intelligence. It would be like calling Crush's Coaster "Crush's Spinning Roller-Coaster, It Spins and is Dark" or calling ToT "A High Drop in a Chamber Made to Look Like an Elevator- It Goes Up Too"
Anyway, my original post was better longer and far more eloquent but as I said, I really cannot be bothered to re-write it all
The colours are a bit too blocky, but I guess this decision was decided as it looks more toy-like.
Even some simple gradients would make the tower look better, and maybe tone down the colours.
The parachute tower is definitely the most ugly of the 3 attractions, and the one with the smallest theming opportunities.
Quote from: "Willow"The colours are a bit too blocky, but I guess this decision was decided as it looks more toy-like.
Even some simple gradients would make the tower look better, and maybe tone down the colours.
The parachute tower is definitely the most ugly of the 3 attractions, and the one with the smallest theming opportunities.
Well said =D>
You've pretty much just summed up my feelings about that new photo.
I took some pictures when I was there last week to share on here and I can see that they're clearly outdated already, they hadn't even started the tower when I was there
The more I think about it and the more pictures of TSPL I see, the less I like the whole idea about the new land. What happened to WDI in the last years? They are creating attractions like Carsland, Mystic Point or this Grizzly Coaster and then something like TSPL happens.
At DHS at WDW there aren't any rides for children at all. They fill this gap with nice stage shows and attractions like the Muppets 3D show. So I don't understand why WDS needs such cheap rides. As I said many times before, it is really necessary to create something for children, but there are other and better rides to do this. It would have been better to use the money for attractions that the whole family can enjoy. I really can't imagine that, for example, The Muppet Vision 3D is more expensive than TSPL. You just need a building, a big screen and seats. The building could look like a soundstage and so it will not be very expensice.
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Somehow I expected it to be taller.
I am not sure but i thought that Disneydavid a.k.a. David Oppenheim was going to do some updates monthly..... i hope so... :S
Quote from: "dagobert"At DHS at WDW there aren't any rides for children at all. They fill this gap with nice stage shows and attractions like the Muppets 3D show. So I don't understand why WDS needs such cheap rides. As I said many times before, it is really necessary to create something for children, but there are other and better rides to do this.
I've never been to WDW,but in my mind Hollywood Studios is the sort of 3RD or 4TH most popular park, but here in Paris we only have 1 1/2 park, and that 1/2 needs to become a full park, and TSPL will just help it on its way
^ EXACTLY. You should be king. The Studio's is full of things for older people. I know of a few people that went with small children and they didn't like the Studio's because there was hardly anything for their children to do, so they spent like half hour in there, then went back to the other park. TSPL is going to make the Studio's a 'complete' park, with attractions for every age group, it will no doubt become much more of a 'completel' day out, as appose to a 'time kill' park.
Quickly going back to some of the people that dont like Crush, I think they should (and we all) consider ourselves lucky that DLP put as much effort in Crush as they did. Compare Crush to the similr rides that can be found at WDW ad DCA:
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At least Crush was modified to be completely unique, not just left as bog standard. Anda normal standard MS Spinner is much better than them 2 Wild Mouse coasters anyway, yet what WDS done it with made the ride experience a hell of a lot better and unique.
Primeval Whirl and Mullholand Madness just look like out of the Oktoberfest here in Munich.
We can consider us lucky to have crush designed like it is.
And I'm sure, TPL will come out quite nice.
Wasn't Disney Californian Adventure supposed to look like a traditional seaside pier funfair?
So in theory it is perfectly themed?
Quote from: "Martyn"Quickly going back to some of the people that dont like Crush, I think they should (and we all) consider ourselves lucky that DLP put as much effort in Crush as they did. Compare Crush to the similr rides that can be found at WDW ad DCA.
Thats the other way 'round. So I should be glad we didn't get a ride like Primeval Whirl or Mulholland Madness? This is Disney we are talking about. The fact that Disney screwed up with those two attractions, doesn't mean that I should be glad we got Crush the way we did. Obviously Crush has a better ride experience then Primeval Whirl and Mulholland Madness, but its not up to the standards Disney used to have. The attraction is not extremely bad, but it didn't get the finishing touches it should have had. Apparently we have different expectations when it comes to Disney attractions?
QuoteAt least Crush was modified to be completely unique, not just left as bog standard. Anda normal standard MS Spinner is much better than them 2 Wild Mouse coasters anyway, yet what WDS done it with made the ride experience a hell of a lot better and unique.
"Unique" is not the same as "good". Tower of Terror for example is an exact clone of the one in DCA, but it still a very good ride. On the other hand, a unique ride can still be a weak one.
Quote from: "Martyn"^ EXACTLY. You should be king. The Studio's is full of things for older people. I know of a few people that went with small children and they didn't like the Studio's because there was hardly anything for their children to do, so they spent like half hour in there, then went back to the other park. TSPL is going to make the Studio's a 'complete' park, with attractions for every age group, it will no doubt become much more of a 'completel' day out, as appose to a 'time kill' park.
I have never understood why people always say that WDS has "nothing for children".
Let's have a look shall we?
I would say the Flying Carpets are suitable for children. Cars of course. Then there's Art of Disney Animation and Animagique. There's also the Studio Tram Tour. Cinemagique. Moteurs Action. Oh - almost forgot about Playhouse. And Stitch Live.
Now let's have a look at attractions that would generally be considered to be "for adults"...
Tower Of Terror
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster
Crush
...thus proving that WDS does not have a lack of offerings for children. In fact, it's more the complete opposite.
WDS needs more family attractions anyway. Attractions that everyone can enjoy - TOGETHER. Not attractions for specific age groups.
Quote from: "Martyn"Quickly going back to some of the people that dont like Crush, I think they should (and we all) consider ourselves lucky that DLP put as much effort in Crush as they did.
But it's still not good enough. This is Disneyland here - not some amusement park attempting a dark ride. Disney are famous for creating the absolute best attractions in the world, so they certainly shouldn't be opening attractions when they're only 80% of what they could be.
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Now those are some nice colours :D
That's the skyline ruined.
I would just like to congratulate the cretin who thought that plonking a huge green tube in the middle of WDS was a good idea.
from that angle then granted it looks odd, im guessing from normal guest perspective then you wont see it from say the boulevard. I cant wait to see it for myself next month just to get it into perspective
I actually just cringed and groaned out load when I saw the new photos. You can see it from Front Lot :shock: :shock:
I'll just throw a couple of Walt Disney quotes into the mix:
I believe in being an innovator. TSPL isn't really all that innovative is it. All they've done is stick well known characters onto different rides. I have no problem with the supposed fairground rides (after all, in essence Carosel Du Lancelot is just a Carosel. But it's what you do with those 'fairground rides' that makes all the difference)
I do not like to repeat successes, I like to go on to other things. Hmmmm, how many Toy Story attractions are there now? If you count TSPL's rides individually you get six. I love Toy Story but it just seems as if the people behind this sat down and agreed "Everyone loves Toy Story, the new Buzz ride and Woody's Roundup have been popular. Lets just keep repeatedly using the same film because people like it."
We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together. I have said previously that I do think the Studios need more attractions that suit a younger audience. Personally, although I like the Tram Tour, I find it a bit boring, and I would only do once per trip. I can imagine that kids, who naturally have shorter attention spans might feel the same. Look at Stitch, that is an attraction that has been designed to suit all ages, from a 3-year-old to a 93-year-old. There is a small, children orientated theme park near where I live (Paultons park) and I enoy my days out there but I don't enjoy the rides at all, (apart from the slightly older orientated ones) the only enjoyment I get is seeing my niece and nephew having a great time. Disney is/has always been different. Everybody has a great time together because, roller coasters aside, all the attractions are designed with the family in mind-together.
I always go to DLRP with my other half, who 23 as am I this month, and yet, with no children in tow we go on all the rides in Fantasyland and throughly enjoy them.
You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway. I get the feeling that these rides won't be fun for adults, other than seeing the enjoyment of your children.
Jeakat24, I totally agree with you. It annoys me too, that nearly everything new is based on Pixar and especially on Toy Story. Of course Pixar movies are great, but I still want to see something from Disney.
Toy Story is even in Frontierland with this Meet and Greet and it doesn't really fit there. In my opinion in Frontierland shouldn't be any characters. They just doesn't fit to the story behind it.
And I still don't get it how TSPL fits into a studios park theme.
Will be interesting to see the effect that TSPL has on Hollywood Boulevard - don't think the perspective will work as well with the rides visible behind.
Very good point Adam. Hopefully that won't be the case but I'm not holding my breath!
Oh dear. It's clear from those photos that the Walt Disney Studios isn't a very well designed theme park. The height of the Parachute Drop tower wouldn't be so bad if the park had some trees/landscaping separating the different thematic areas. But it doesn't. So now any sense of time/place that was created by Hollywood Boulevard is just being destroyed by having this very modern, plastic junk towering over it.
QuoteApparently we have different expectations when it comes to Disney attractions?
QuoteBut it's still not good enough. This is Disneyland here - not some amusement park attempting a dark ride.
I think the fact that MM & PW were built in the first place goes to show that times have changed, and you need to adjust your expectations to that. So with that in mind, Crush is a much better ride for WDS than MM & PW .
(And IMO Crush is better than any other dark coaster I've been on outside Disney.)
QuoteI have never understood why people always say that WDS has "nothing for children".
Let's have a look shall we?
I would say the Flying Carpets are suitable for children. Cars of course. Then there's Art of Disney Animation and Animagique. There's also the Studio Tram Tour. Cinemagique. Moteurs Action. Oh - almost forgot about Playhouse. And Stitch Live.
Now let's have a look at attractions that would generally be considered to be "for adults"...
Tower Of Terror
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster
Crush
...thus proving that WDS does not have a lack of offerings for children.
Lol, so you because you said it, that proves it? The likes of Moteurs Actions, Armageddon, Tram Tour and Cinemagique would be enjoyed more by adults than children, thats what I believe anyway.
And I never said there was nothing for Children to do, there's just not much. Cars and Flying Carpets are currently the only RIDES for children to go on.
And if you have young children that dont like loud bangs and explosions, that rules out Tram Tour, Moteurs Action, Armageddon and possibily even Cinemagique (I'm going by my 7 years old niece here).
Yes shows like Stitch live, Playhouse and Animagique are good, but kids get agitated easily.
I just dont think the Studio's has much of a 'child friendly' atmosphere like the Parc has, yet hopefully this TSPL will add some of that to it. The music they play and the general look of the Studio's isn't very appealing for children, hence why they then created Toon Studio, and now the TSPL.
Wether you personally like the rides or not, this will get a massive thumbs up from the majority of family groups to the Studio's as they'll now be able to spend a whole day there, instead of just a few hours
However, on another note, I do feel that the Studio's could benefit from a fantastic dark ride.
There will not be any effect on the Hollywood Blvd., because there will never be one at WDS. :lol:
I really hope that WDI kept in mind during desining TSPL, that Hollywood Blvd will be expanded in the future. But I'm also worried that TSPL will be seen.
After the expansion in 2007 I was very confident that WDS could become a nice and beautiful themepark, but now I have lost some faith in it. Isn't there a masterplan for the studios, because I have the feeling that WDI is throwing anything into the studios that is just a little bit related to movies.
As I've already mentioned before, I don't get it how TSPL fits into a movie studio. If it is just because of the fact that Toy Story is a movie, than you could transfere the whole Fantasyland into the studios, because these attractions are also based on movies.
Maybe it was already posted, but what is the story behind TSPL? Is there a story behind it?
I'm sorry for being so negative, but I always compare WDS with DHS at WDW, because we really enjoyed this park a lot over there. I also know that many people think that DHS is also not a very good themepark, but we liked it better than the MK at WDW. Hopefully one day, WDS will be like DHS.
^ It probably never will do though, for 2 reasons:
1. Florida is like one of the biggest, most popular holiday resorts in the world, and WDW will always have a hell of a lot more money to spend than poor old DLP.
2. There are 4 parks at WDW, so they have the space to build appropriate attractions where ever they want, they wont have to cram everything into one little 'extra' park. The biggest problem with WDS is the space, and I think that will always haunt them.
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No matter what anyone says, TSPL is not a real Disney quality* addition to the park.
You can try all you want to find positive things about this addition, but overall it is not what should be being built at a Disney park. Not if they don't want to decrease to the level of parks like Chessington or Alton Towers.
I hate to be arrogant, and I know people will back at me for saying that, but it is true.
It doesn't fit the theme of the park.
It features three unoriginal carnival rides and nothing else.
The rides have a low capacity.
The theme is already over-used.
The visuals are badly designed.
There is no real area development.
The bare steel destroys the views from other areas of the park.
The land is badly integrated into the park.
Guests may like it, yes, but it doesn't mean it's up to the Disney standard.
* by "Disney quality" I mean how it used to be - attractions that were original, innovative, fit the theme etc...
I totally agree with you RnRCj.
It's even worse that TSPL is also built in Hong Kong. There it is built in the Disneyland park. Can you imagine to have these rides in our Disneyland Park??
OK - I have resolved to say nothing more about TSPL. After I´ve been told that I´m too negative the last time, I just wanted to wait until its finished. But I can´t hold up anymore!
BOAH - this thing is: ugly, a brass, disappointing, upsetting, bungling, rubbish, a waste of time, trash, uncreative and far behind everything Disney stands for!
I can´t say what predominates more: My anger or my sad dissappointment.
Its against everything Walt ever wanted to see in Disneyland.
Its against every Imagineering pholisophie
It has no storyline
It has a bad themeing
It has a worse capacity
Its far behind the concept of a Weenie... more
It destroys everything that could have get a weenie cause it destroys the skyline
Quote2. There are 4 parks at WDW, so they have the space to build appropriate attractions where ever they want, they wont have to cram everything into one little 'extra' park. The biggest problem with WDS is the space, and I think that will always haunt them.
Why doesn´t WDS have enough space? Uhhhh - ever had a look at Google Earth?
QuoteWether you personally like the rides or not, this will get a massive thumbs up from the majority of family groups to the Studio's as they'll now be able to spend a whole day there, instead of just a few hours
Thats exactly the wrong attitude! Maybe...maybe it will let guest stay longer in the park. But with this cheap quality attractions Disney injures themselves. The more they cut down high quality attractions, the more people don´t need to come to a DisneyPark! Why should families pay a huge amount of money for a flight, expensive hotels and expensive tickets ... if they can get this kind of cheap attractions at their home holiday park?
Quote from: "Martyn"QuoteApparently we have different expectations when it comes to Disney attractions?
QuoteBut it's still not good enough. This is Disneyland here - not some amusement park attempting a dark ride.
I think the fact that MM & PW were built in the first place goes to show that times have changed, and you need to adjust your expectations to that. So with that in mind, Crush is a much better ride for WDS than MM & PW .
We don't have to adjust our expectations after 50 years of Disney themepark design. Tickets for Disney parks haven't become cheaper either over the years, so why should we allow Disney not to live up to their previous higher standards? Even cheap off the shelf rollercoasters like Indiana Jones were very well themed. Luckily they still seem to get it right most of the time, but sometimes they don't (Primeval Whirl or Mullholland Madness for example.)
By the way, no one ever argued that Crush is better then Mulholland Madness and Primeval Whirl, so why are we even comparing them? You are comparing Crush to these two attractions at Paradise Pier and Dinoland USA, so ofcourse Crush's Coaster looks better then that, not much of a surprise. But how does Crush hold up to Raging Spirits (2005) for example? In the last decade, Disney built and designed some very good rides aswell, let's not forget that. But attractions like the ones you mentioned or Toy Story Playland worries me al lot. I don't really get why we are comparing a Disney attraction from post-Eisner (Crush-2007) to Mulholland Madness and Primeval Whirl (late 90s-2001). Thanks to people like John Lasseter we should have higher expectations then 10 years ago.
I love how Anthony justs posts the picture of the construction and then leaves, like a zookeeper throwing meat into the lion's cage ;) :P
I'm pretty sure (not certain, don't want to have to eat my words in future) that this won't affect the appearance of the Boulevard, we can't judge from the picture that we have seen, it's too high of an angle to make a proper judgement there. It's a shame that we'll be able to see it from outside the park, but that view has already been runied by Tower of Terror, so i'm not complaining.
Also, it was commented earlier that WDS has too many childrens attractions, personally i feel we don't have enough.
QuoteLet's have a look shall we?
I would say the Flying Carpets are suitable for children. Cars of course. Then there's Art of Disney Animation and Animagique. There's also the Studio Tram Tour. Cinemagique. Moteurs Action. Oh - almost forgot about Playhouse. And Stitch Live.
Now let's have a look at attractions that would generally be considered to be "for adults"...
Tower Of Terror
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster
Crush
I wouldn't exactly call STT, Cinemagique or Moteurs children attractions, they're more family if not slightly edging the teen/adult (when my cousin was 7 she cried on STT). So when you look at actually attractions and not shows all WDS has to offer is Flying Carpets and Cars, hardly overkill on the kiddies rides is it...?
The photos where clearly taken to see how construction is progressing so the angles could be very misleading.
The vast majority of visitors will enjoy Toy Story Playland.
Quote from: "-breeno-"I love how Anthony justs posts the picture of the construction and then leaves, like a zookeeper throwing meat into the lion's cage ;) :P
Haha! Actually, I chose that picture because I think it looks alright. It's still conventionally a bit ugly as a tower, I'd hate it outside my house (whereas I'd love an Old Mill) but next to Cars, it looks like it belongs there to me, the colours are quite complimentary. From other angles, not sure yet. And we probably won't be saying that when it arrives in Hong Kong, but then that's the HK government's problem for taking something that was never designed for their park in the first place.
dagobert made a really point; that there seems to be no grand master plan for the Studios. I have to say, from all the evidence, I completely agree. How can Disney expect a co-hesive park with a real and tangible identity so that it can stand alongside the Disneyland Park instead of in its shadow, when just have small plans, one after the other? I'm not saying the the decision to bring ToT and Crush was a simple and easy one but there is no overall development of the of the park, just small areas at a time.
I'm not here to judge anyone who not only likes the design, but is looking forward to the completion, that's individual choice. But I don't think it's fair to justify the TSPL construction by saying that it will help bring families into the park. Yes I agree that the Studios need more family orientation attractions (note I say family not children as the original intention of Disneyland was a place where all the family could have fun together). However, they could have designed some well-thought out attractions to suit all ages, but they haven't.
Yeah sure the new brochure adverting TSPL might draw in a few more families this year but what keeps most people coming back is far more than just a few new rides, it's the Disney magic. It's well thought out attractions in beautiful setting which transport you to another world. It's everything little detail being covered (I took a photo of the toilet building in Fantasyland (the one by Adventureland) and when my mum saw it (she's never been to any Disney park) she said "wow, that's amazing". When I told her it was the toilet, she couldn't believe it! Disney have always been more than just a cut above they've been leagues above the rest.
I spent well over £2000 on my trip in 2008, and it was just for two of us, never mind having to shell out if we had kids. I certainly wouldn't spend that much staying at Alton Towers (I won't even pay their prices now for their hotel) even though I really like it. Why? Because I'm not paying that much for the rides it has on offer. If I had payed that much on my first trip to Disney and it turned out to be a glorified run of the mill theme park then I wouldn't have come back. Neither would anyone else because they can get the same experience much cheaper somewhere else.
Sorry i was gone for a while.
My opinion is that the TSPL is going to be a nice addition to the studios park , but it doesnt even FIT in the hollywood boulevard.I really think that they should build buildings or a wall to the hollywood boulevard in front of toy story play land area.I mean , Tower of Terror and Toy Story in one place.... that doesnt fit does it? They could better place the playland in the Toon Studio 'lot' then call it a Playland. I mean , why not call it Toy Story Playgarden? Then people know what it must look like.
Anyway , I wil come back in a few weeks with the update of Februari ;)!
Quote from: "jeakat24"I spent well over £2000 on my trip in 2008, and it was just for two of us
You know, if you are spending that kind of money visiting Disneyland Paris, you really ought to look into visiting Orlando. The two of you could easily enjoy a week at a Moderate Disney resort, and visit all 4 of the WDW parks, including flights, for that amount.
Quote from: "Maarten"By the way, no one ever argued that Crush is better then Mulholland Madness and Primeval Whirl, so why are we even comparing them? You are comparing Crush to these two attractions at Paradise Pier and Dinoland USA, so ofcourse Crush's Coaster looks better then that, not much of a surprise.
Well I first mentioned Mulholland Madness and Primeval Whirl because someone mentioned that Crush isn't a proper Disney ride, its more of a ride for your average theme park. So I mearly pointed out that if you think that about Crush, what on earth do you think about MM & PW. They're crappy portable coasters with a rubbish 'theme', so at least with Crush, we got an awsome theme, and a customized ride. And the turtle shells are just freakin awsome :P
Quote from: "Maarten"But how does Crush hold up to Raging Spirits (2005) for example?
Well I prefer Crush to Indiana Jones, and whilst Raging Sprits has better themeing than Indy, it appears to be a hell of a lot slower:
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So personally I would rate Crush above Raging Spirits. Though the themeing is spectacular.
I see what people are saying, these are odd attractions for a Disney park, they are normal theme park attractions, but then so are Carousels, Tea Cups and Flying Elephants (and we have 3 of them...)
Indy is definately not the best themed attraction in DLP, but it is a lot better themed than TSPL and Indy fits into Adventureland while TSPL is really out of place at WDS. I like Indy although the track could have been better integrated into the theming. In my opinion Indy is on the same level like Crush, which I also like.
I will be in DLRP next week and then I will see the whole mess with TSPL.
Quote from: "Alan"Quote from: "jeakat24"I spent well over £2000 on my trip in 2008, and it was just for two of us
You know, if you are spending that kind of money visiting Disneyland Paris, you really ought to look into visiting Orlando. The two of you could easily enjoy a week at a Moderate Disney resort, and visit all 4 of the WDW parks, including flights, for that amount.
Thanks for the advice, we've never looked at Orlando, just assumed we wouldn't be able to afford it. I have to say that that particular trip was so expensive because we went for Halloween and bonfire night, would'nt normally spend that much :shock: :D
Quote from: "dagobert"Indy is definately not the best themed attraction in DLP, but it is a lot better themed than TSPL and Indy fits into Adventureland while TSPL is really out of place at WDS. I like Indy although the track could have been better integrated into the theming. In my opinion Indy is on the same level like Crush, which I also like.
I will be in DLRP next week and then I will see the whole mess with TSPL.
Enjoy your trip. Personally I really like the Indy themeing, but I agree that it's not the best. I see what you're getting at though. I love the mad hatter tea-cups and think that both the lanterns and the building structure are beautiful, but could you imagine it being in Frontierland? :evil: :wink: It just wouldn't work, nore does TSPL next to the ToT!
Is the Rc racer track going to be higher or lower than that "pole" :roll: ?? please say lower, i don't want to see a tacky orange race track from a distance!!
I think RC Racer is about the same height maybe slightly less, it's 25 metres.
But it will be a little further away and slightly hidden behind some old trees they've kept.
Quote from: "Anthony"I think RC Racer is about the same height maybe slightly less, it's 25 metres.
But it will be a little further away and slightly hidden behind some old trees they've kept.
Phew :-" I hope so, I think it would be a much worse eye sore! :wink:
Quote from: "Magic M"Wasn't Disney Californian Adventure supposed to look like a traditional seaside pier funfair?
So in theory it is perfectly themed?
No. Disney's California Adventure is a theme park, within that park there is a land called Paradise Pier. It is a tribute to classic Victorian boardwalks of the early century. The Mullholland Madness ride is being re-themed to fit that specific theme, with the new name Goofy's Sky School. concept art below.
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Quote from: "Martyn"Quickly going back to some of the people that dont like Crush, I think they should (and we all) consider ourselves lucky that DLP put as much effort in Crush as they did. Compare Crush to the similr rides that can be found at WDW ad DCA:
At least Crush was modified to be completely unique, not just left as bog standard. Anda normal standard MS Spinner is much better than them 2 Wild Mouse coasters anyway, yet what WDS done it with made the ride experience a hell of a lot better and unique.
While i'm not the biggest Mullholand Madness fan, that picture isn't exactly the best there is. And to clarify, the ride is being re-themed to fit into the new Victorian architecture of the land. See above.
I also have to say I particularly enjoy how most of you seem to really "know" Disney's California Adventure when you clearly have never been there.
hey folks,
so here are two more pics of this ugly thing..... found on DCP...
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Oh no, is this really Disney we are talking about? This thing is huge.
What I like about it is, it's beautifully designed and it subtly blends into the area around it. Walt Disney Imagineering should be proud of their latest and greatest creation :-)
Tower of Terror , Panoramique , and now Parachute Drop ... wow , we dont need a farris weel anymore :P
Quote from: "Alan"What I like about it is, it's beautifully designed and it subtly blends into the area around it. Walt Disney Imagineering should be proud of their latest and greatest creation :-)
Are you talking about TSPL?
Becuase I really, really hope your being sracastic... :P
Well, didn't we expect this? The concept art has been around for a while. I'm just as bummed as everyone else, but why the surprise.
When I walk through the park I see really little back from the Disney gerne for Girls.... I think I made a good point in my audio podcast when I said that the Studios got a blue logo becouse it really is a boy-park. And that the Disneyland Park got a pink logo becouse I think its more a sweet , soft park.... so for girls.
Maybe this sounds crazy, but considering that the studios will soon get a part with Boys Toys and that the rest of the park is filled with Thrills like Tower of Terror and Rock'n'Rollercoaster... I mean, this is no longer just a disney park ... its a Disney park for thrill seekers. The Toy Story Playland gives us some army toys, a half pipe, a radio controlled car and a dog stretched. Not ONE little girltheme like a dollhouse or something!
Am I right??
Walt's Disneyland was a park for boys. Well, it was a park for Walt. There was a train, there were boats, there were cowboys, Indians and astronauts. The 1950s' boy's fantasy.
If they want to build something for 2010's boys, then by all means let them go ahead, but this is hardly the best way to do so. Walt's boyish rides and lands could be enjoyed by everyone. The same can't be said for Toy Story Playland.
Quote from: "Columbiad"Quote from: "Alan"What I like about it is, it's beautifully designed and it subtly blends into the area around it. Walt Disney Imagineering should be proud of their latest and greatest creation :-)
Are you talking about TSPL?
Becuase I really, really hope your being sracastic... :P
Yep, I was being sarcastic.
Quote from: "Disneydavid"When I walk through the park I see really little back from the Disney gerne for Girls.... I think I made a good point in my audio podcast when I said that the Studios got a blue logo becouse it really is a boy-park. And that the Disneyland Park got a pink logo becouse I think its more a sweet , soft park.... so for girls.
Maybe this sounds crazy, but considering that the studios will soon get a part with Boys Toys and that the rest of the park is filled with Thrills like Tower of Terror and Rock'n'Rollercoaster... I mean, this is no longer just a disney park ... its a Disney park for thrill seekers. The Toy Story Playland gives us some army toys, a half pipe, a radio controlled car and a dog stretched. Not ONE little girltheme like a dollhouse or something!
Am I right??
I don't think that is true at all
Disneyland Park has, Indiana Jones, Pirates of the Caribbean, Space Mountain, Buzz Lightyear, Cowboys in Frontierland, Peter Pan, Captain Hook's Ship, etc etc (All rather male orientated)
Walt Disney Studios Park has non-gender specific attractions, Tower of Terror isn't masculine, nor is Rock 'n' Rollercoaster. How WDS can be a thrillseekers park with Playhouse Disney Live on Stage!, Toon Studio (minus Crush's Coaster), Cinémagique, Stitch Live!, Studio Tram Tour, etc etc I don't know!
The Studios got a blue logo to contrast with the pink logo of Disneyland Park.The Village has a red logo, that doesn't mean is angry or murderous, it just has a red logo to look good.
Considering the Disney genre is generally more popular with young girls I always thought the theme parks were more orientated around boys. Three out of the five lands in Disneyland Park are heavily related with cowboys, pirates and spacemen. Only Fantasyland could be considered as a girls land but it hardly features princesses and fairies like the Orlando one will do, in fact Peter Pan and Pinocchio I would say are more for boys than girls.
But back on topic, God that thing is horrible. :shock:
Quote from: "pussinboots"If they want to build something for 2010's boys, then by all means let them go ahead, but this is hardly the best way to do so.
Don't worry I heard they're going to go all modern for the boys of 2010; Armageddon will be replaced with a Call Of Duty dark ride and Autopia will be rethemed to Mariokart. :)
The attractions won't look that good (just say horrible...) from outside TSPL, but I think it will look good when you're actually ín the land itself. It really looks like those old army-themed toys. But I agree the tower ruins the Studio's skyline... :shock:
Quote from: "charlied"Don't worry I heard they're going to go all modern for the boys of 2010; Armageddon will be replaced with a Call Of Duty dark ride and Autopia will be rethemed to Mariokart.
Well, that would be interesting... :P
Ok, you made your points :) I hadn't seen it on that point of view .
But then again , some extra girlpower may be added to the park irrespective of the tables smink. I know that Disneyland Park isnt just for girls , and the Studios Park is not for boys only.. but , back on topic , we have a new lot (i dont see it as 3 new rides... i mean , the capacity of each ride would be very high...)
Quote from: "pussinboots"Well, didn't we expect this? The concept art has been around for a while. I'm just as bummed as everyone else, but why the surprise.
Exactly my point. This is why I get so grumpy when people say "Let's wait until it's finished before judging". After all, that is the point of concept art. Once it is built, too late. :evil:
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Exactly my point. This is why I get so grumpy when people say "Let's wait until it's finished before judging". After all, that is the point of concept art. Once it is built, too late. :evil:
You should take this opportunity to say to us all, I told you so! :P
Nope, I'd like to be proven wrong. Besides, I thought we could all wait until it is open and you can all be disappointed when you get there
I think it looks amazing!!!!! thats over doing it a bit - im just tring to be controversial - lol, although i must say it doesnt upset me , i will reserve judgement until ive seen it myself :-)
I see your point Davewasbaloo. I only say that I'll reserve final judgement until I've seen it in the hope that it won't be as bad as the pictures, like the Last Chance Cafe, I still don't like it but it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I don't think I can truely say the same for TSPL, as much as I'd like to be able to, I sincerly doubt I'm going to be pleasantly surprised.
I have to say that I was taken aback when I saw the initial photo's of the tower being built. Of course I've seen the plans that were posted here but seeing it in reality, [strike:1pykxaht]nestled[/strike:1pykxaht], sorry, plonked in amongst the Studios like that was an eye-opener!
I don't judge on concept arts, because in my opinion Toon Studio turned out better as it was shown in the concept arts. So I had the hope, that TSPL would also look better, but in fact it looks worse. At least in the pictures.
WDSFans/Kristof has posted some updates from TSPL, including a photo of the parachute drop's intrusion into certain areas of the park.
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And some other photos here: Link. (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/news.php)
At least it is not really visible from the ground in Frontierland.
Eyesore!
This is like building Tower Of Terror with the bare lift shafts and nothing else. They could've at least made sure it was lower than the rooftops of Hollywood Boulevard.
At least its not spoiling the view of the Hollywood boulevard.
Quick question, how do we know the Disney Imagineering team work on this?
Quote from: "Martyn"Quick question, how do we know the Disney Imagineering team work on this?
As a rough guideline: Any permanent, major additions such as new attractions or even a new land are necessarily created by WDI, Glendale. This includes complete attraction overhauls such as SM:M2.
Smaller, less important or temporary additions are created either by Disneyland Paris Imagineering (such as the recent Coca-Cola salespoints or Belle's Christmas Village) or by a specialized creative service within DLP (Entertainment, Special Event Decorations, Graphics Shop, Visual Merchandise, ...).
Quote from: "RnRCj"Eyesore!
This is like building Tower Of Terror with the bare lift shafts and nothing else. They could've at least made sure it was lower than the rooftops of Hollywood Boulevard.
I'm afraid i have to disagree, the thing is hardly visible. Look at the top right photo, to me it looks like it's the one where the parachaute drop it the most visible. But remember that is from a slight distance from the Boulevard, so when you are in the boulevard, the surrounding buildings will cover this structure. Well, at least that's what i think it'll look like.
Wow I can't wait to go on BTM with a view like that :wink:
Quote from: "-breeno-"I'm afraid i have to disagree, the thing is hardly visible. Look at the top right photo, to me it looks like it's the one where the parachaute drop it the most visible. But remember that is from a slight distance from the Boulevard, so when you are in the boulevard, the surrounding buildings will cover this structure. Well, at least that's what i think it'll look like.
I really hope you're right Breeno.
I think that only seeing in TSPL is bad enough, it really is hideous looking, but seeing it from a distance only makes matters worse. I suppose at least it isn't in the beautiful view you get from ToT.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Eyesore!
This is like building Tower Of Terror with the bare lift shafts and nothing else.
Good comparison, I totally agree
Quote from: "RnRCj"Eyesore!
They could've at least made sure it was lower than the rooftops of Hollywood Boulevard.
The second photo was taken from Place des Stars using my zoomlens to create this effect. The drop tower is barely noticeable, I had to try hard to get it on these photos. If you want, I can show a photo taken in front of the Partners statue without seeing it at all.
Its barely visible from the majority of the Resort, I don't see the problem.
The only place where it is visible is from TOT (Middle-Left photo), but the flat billboard buildings are just as bad from that angle.
The figure we've been waiting for.
QuoteAnd the price tag on Toy Story Playland is... €70 million! Revealed in Times article: http://bit.ly/avlKrh (http://bit.ly/avlKrh%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Via @DLRPToday (//http://twitter.com/DLRPToday).
The article says:
QuoteFor Simon Opie, however, this is a serious business. As product integration vice-president at the resort, "I have responsibility for developing the entertainment programme — and that extends to the accompanying food offers and character dining experiences we'll be putting together, as well as the relevant merchandise". An enormous brief, in fact, that includes managing 450 product development staff.
A far cry, too, from his humble beginnings in an entertainment career as the production manager of the Oxford Playhouse, a job opportunity so attractive that he left Oxford University, where he had been reading English, before graduating to take it up. "The theatre was always my passion and it was a great opportunity which I knew I had to grab.
"Back then I had a budget of a few thousand pounds to juggle, whereas now I'm responsible for the opening of a €70 million [£60 million] attraction — Toy Story Playland."
Now, are they rounding up or does that seem a lot? Even with all the tree removal, tram tour re-routing, earth works, foundations and fully-customised rides, that's a
lot.
Its costing double what I expected it to, I don't understand how they have spent that kind of money.
I've been saying this for months, Disney need to realise that they need to work out how to spend money better. This is the reason why people are saying Disney attractions are losing their quality, WDI are not spending their money in the right areas and most of its being wasted when it could be put to better use elsewhere.
This should have been a max 30 million investment, and it could have been done to a pretty high standard for that cost.
I'd love to see what Merlin Entertainments could do with that kind of money, they would create something fantastic.
I'm stunned by this figure. Value for money... not! Considering the capacity, the investment will benefit very few and do little to help the overall image of the resort.
n my view the money would've been better spent on updating and retouching the existing facilities... or running Fantillusion full-size etc. The report mentions 150 performers for parades. That figure is really pushing it too when everyone assumes performers to be characters/dancers etc... not drivers bla bla.
I'm so shocked to the point of being appalled. Grr
Sixty million sterling???! Surely that can't be right? Alton Towers new attraction, their most expensive to date, is 15 million. Whilst that doesn't live up to a Disney style attraction, the ride and theming seems at least on par with TSPL.
If they have spent £60 million, wow that's a mistake!
And 15 million is on-par with the most expensive attractions ever built here in the UK, can't think of a attraction which has broken the 15 million barrier. (Ignoring Inflation)
Thats why I'd love to see what the top UK theme park designers could come up with for £60 million, especially when they can come up with world class attractions for a quarter of the cost of TSPL.
So for 4 times the cost of the best UK attractions ever built we have TSPL... Is TSPL worth that level of investment? Methinks not.
€70 Million is really a lot!
The most expensive attraction build in the Netherlands was a €20 million investment (link (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Dutchman_(Efteling)))
But can anyone tell me what the costs for the ToT were?
That price surely has to be wrong - toy story mania has a price of $80 million thats about £52 million, the TOT is estimated to have cost about £100 million , toy story mania would have been a better bet as its inside and would have worked better with the Parisian climate surely??
That is an insane amount for those attractions. This money could have been used for something far more exciting, or for a tonne of much-needed maintenance work around the resort.
I think DLP needs to release their WDS master plan now, or simply admit that they're adding attractions and lands as-and-when they feel like it. It's not fair to shareholders, investors and fans.
I feel like that park is never going to be sorted out, it's forever going to be the "black sheep" of the Disneyland Paris family.
Ladys and Gemntleman, Boys and Girls,
welcome to Walt Disney´s Trashcan Park, where cheap looking attractions with
low capacity are getting build and for this we throw out all our money, that we can
take more money from our visitors, investors and shareholders....
Let´s face it, WDS will never be a real Disney park and it is not worth putting Walts name in it. it is,
an ever will be a mess of a park. Even Soarin, Ratatouille or World of Color won´t make this park better,
all it need´s is a complete rework.
It´s a shame that Disney Management think all they have to build is something like TSPL to get more visitors,
but thats wrong. Disney have over 15million visitors not just because of the Charakters or rides themed to they´re movies. It seems like they don´t believe in they´re own work anymore.
What i don´t understand is, how a imagineer have so much problems of rewrite the story of the park and
create something that would let this park look good and make it a disney worth park! Imagineers create something like Grizzly gulch, mystic manor, big thinder mountain, space mountain ect. and now all they can come up with ist TSPL! Those 70million could have been spend in something better than this.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"What i don´t understand is, how a imagineer have so much problems of rewrite the story of the park and create something that would let this park look good and make it a disney worth park! Imagineers create something like Grizzly gulch, mystic manor, big thinder mountain, space mountain ect. and now all they can come up with ist TSPL! Those 70million could have been spend in something better than this.
I think we can't blame the Imagineers really, because if they get the chance they still can create wonderful attractions like Expedition Everest, Soarin', and probably Mystic Manor and Grizzly Gulch. However, the management of (in this particular case) EuroDisney SCA pulls the strings and forces Imagineering what to do. They don't get carte blanche... Walt Disney Studios truly needs a masterplan (although I assume they have one, right?) and act accordingly. A few placemakings wouldn't hurt either. They can add amazing attractions all they want, but the park itself (its lay-out and theming) is screwed up. Some major re-work has to be done.
What I am stunned about, is the fact that Walt Disney Imagineering seems to need so much money for so little. Construction costs for the initial Studios park back in 2002 were about 600 million euro's if I remember correctly, and see what we have got. Maybe they should sort things out at WDI aswell?!
What I find really frustrating is Disneyland Paris' lack of transparency. I think that's the right word. There doesn't seem to be any people, a recognisable face, a human element, representing the company. You know what I mean? There's no visible person at the top, who cares about the 2 parks, and has a vision. There's no John Lasseter figure.
The resort is like a very rare, very precious animal in the hands of inexperienced faceless business men, that don't know how to look after it.
I wish there was someone we could actually communicate with and write to, and get honest custom-written answers from. Someone willing to discuss the parks and give thoughtful answers. Someone who cares about the parks; appreciates what's right about them, and understands what's wrong about them. But there isn't, is there?
Who's in charge of Disneyland Park? Who's in charge of the Walt Disney Studios Park? Who has the vision?
Quote from: "Alan"What I find really frustrating is Disneyland Paris' lack of transparency. I think that's the right word. There doesn't seem to be any people, a recognisable face, a human element, representing the company. You know what I mean? There's no visible person at the top, who cares about the 2 parks, and has a vision. There's no John Lasseter figure.
I wish there was someone we could actually communicate with and write to, and get honest custom-written answers to. Someone willing to discuss the parks and give honest answers. Someone who cares about the parks; appreciates what's right about them, and understands what's wrong about them.
Who's in charge of Disneyland Park? Who's in charge of the Walt Disney Studios Park?
You make such a good point. DLP often feels like a face-less organisation, and as visitors of the park, I think that we would feel more confident about the future of the resort if there was a recognisable figure, someone with charisma and charm, who felt the same passion for DLP that we all do as fans.
There seems to be no-one (that we know of) guiding the resort, and ensuring that it gets better and better.
Some guy on the internet 'stole' my idea :roll:
[youtube:v7ot30cw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E162QOmOxfs&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:v7ot30cw]
too shaky isn't it :P
^It's very shaky :wink:
I really think DLP needs to communicate with their fans, like Disneyland and Disney World do (with podcasts, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, anything!) The only behind the scenes we get to see from DLP come from DLRP Magic!, DLRP Today, etc... The Disneyland Podcast is really awesome and it's free advertisement too!
So please DLP: communicate!
Quote from: "JelleP"^It's very shaky :wink:
I really think DLP needs to communicate with their fans, like Disneyland and Disney World do (with podcasts, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, anything!) The only behind the scenes we get to see from DLP come from DLRP Magic!, DLRP Today, etc... The Disneyland Podcast is really awesome and it's free advertisement too!
So please DLP: communicate!
Totally agree! Disneyland Paris do email newsletters to people who subscribe to it. I haven't subscribed to it yet so I don't know if they send you news about the parks.
Quote from: "CentralPlazaPerson"Totally agree! Disneyland Paris do email newsletters to people who subscribe to it. I haven't subscribed to it yet so I don't know if they send you news about the parks.
I was subscribed to that newsletter once, but they only send you advertisements and special offers. No news about whats going on benind the scenes or something... :roll:
Quote from: "smurfy74"That price surely has to be wrong - toy story mania has a price of $80 million thats about £52 million, the TOT is estimated to have cost about £100 million , toy story mania would have been a better bet as its inside and would have worked better with the Parisian climate surely??
Which version was that? The Florida TSMM was built in an existing building, wasn't it?
The Paris Tower of Terror was apparently €180m. We've no way of knowing whether each resort calculates these figures the same. Euro Disney SCA could be adding on everything from advertising to tea bags, or is labour and importing really that much more expensive for France?
Quote from: "Alan"What I find really frustrating is Disneyland Paris' lack of transparency. I think that's the right word. There doesn't seem to be any people, a recognisable face, a human element, representing the company. You know what I mean? There's no visible person at the top, who cares about the 2 parks, and has a vision. There's no John Lasseter figure.
Yes, yes and yes again to everything you say. I'm sure there
is someone at WDI or DLP-I in charge of Disneyland Paris, but we're just not allowed to know of them. At Disneyland Resort especially, the movements of Imagineers are tracked in minute detail and very important to the growth of the park.
Who do we have in Paris? Kat de Blois?
180 million Euros for the Tower of Terror in Paris? That makes it a $248 million attraction! I don't believe that. That sounds about $148 million too high!
Well I always thought the same, but I'm sure we saw that officially confirmed somewhere...
It doesn't quite add up when you consider they got Buzz, Crush, Cars and Tower out of that €240m package, unless Euro Disney SCA also got extra cash from elsewhere. It's a shame they don't release proper figures like Oriental Land Co.
I also thought that the Paris' ToT costed a €180.-, but I'm not sure...
Who want more?
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Remember that DLP does cost a lot more to build attractions than the US, especially ToT. In the US, they can still build out of wood if they want, and planning permission and all the work that goes with it are much cheaper and easier. In France, all structures must be concrete or steel (which is more expensive than the DCA or WDW versions), builders are union members; taxes are higher; and the cost of almost everything is higher here.
Wow , is that toystory playland now? Looking great!
^ I don't think it'll look that bad from the ground, but it's definately changing the skyline forever.
They're lucky that you won't see the tower from the Disneyland Park! :O
Quote from: "JelleP"^It's very shaky :wink:
I really think DLP needs to communicate with their fans, like Disneyland and Disney World do (with podcasts, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, anything!) The only behind the scenes we get to see from DLP come from DLRP Magic!, DLRP Today, etc... The Disneyland Podcast is really awesome and it's free advertisement too!
So please DLP: communicate!
Well , thats exactly why I wanted to make a Mp3 Podcast. Becouse I think that Disneyland Paris cand do way better and they had to update their own podcast. I know , my english isn't that good , but I try what I can.
anyway , i just wanted to say that ;
a new BUILDING update is coming up... after this weekend ;)w
^ You're doing a great job with that Podcast! But I don't think that we, as DLP fans, are allowed behind the scenes and that's the thing I love from the Disneyland Resort Podcast...
What does NGF mean in the topic-title?
I think this thing is gonna be quite huge , another atraction where we can see the park... just like these ones...
Big thunder mountain (from the highest point)
Panoramique - which you must pay for... but then you can realy see the whole resort!
Tower of Terror (for a second..)
Parachute Drop and
RC Racer (well , a bit criss-cross , but you come on a high point :P)
Just add some ferriswheel and we are all complete.... o wait , we have one! Only it doesn't work anymore as a 'ride' (fantasyland , the old mill)
^ NGF means New Generation Festival, I guess. And I just hope it's not gonna be that huge...
Just trying to make the topics clearer with the (NGF), although it's possibly not needed here after all.
Here's a question: Did we ever find out the actual capacity of the Parachute Drop? I only just noticed that the full TSPL concept shows SIX people on each parachute, three people back-to-back, facing each direction. That'd be fantastic (although not so great for seeing into backstage areas), but anyway - other concepts show just 2 and the plans we've seen appear to show 3 per parachute. Anyone know the final figure?
I don't know the final figure.
Over on Jumpin' Jellyfish at DCA, they have 2 towers, 6 parachutes per tower, and 2 people per parachute. So that's 12 people per tower, so 24 people potentially riding at once. Ride duration is supposedly 1 minute 30 seconds.
The ride is manufactured by Intamin AG and is officially known as "Children's Parachute Tower".
Well the parachute drop doesn't look as big as I had first thought (It does though stick out like a sore thumb), but I can only wonder what RC Racer's size will be.
QuoteAnd 15 million is on-par with the most expensive attractions ever built here in the UK, can't think of a attraction which has broken the 15 million barrier. (Ignoring Inflation)
Just to let you know, the Jubilee Oddyssey at Fantasy Island is probably one of the most expensive coasters in history, costing around £28m.
The fact that the TSPL is costing around 70m Euro's gives me that little bit of hope that there will be more in this land than just the rides, but we'll have to wait and see...
Looking at the design elements on the miniatures, perhaps some of these will be animatronic?
How awesome will a ten foot robotic Rex The Dinosaur be?
They already have an animatronic dinosaur at Hong Kong Disneyland and we all know how closely linked these two parks are getting...!
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_the_Dinosaur
A robotic Rex would be wonderful! Would it be the first animatronic at the WDS?
I was there yesterday and shoot some new vid's.
But , too bad , i am too sick to montage it.... sorry :(
Coming soon!
Quote from: "JelleP"A robotic Rex would be wonderful! Would it be the first animatronic at the WDS?
I don't think so, off the top of my head there's Remy from Restaurant Des Stars and do the birds in Crush ("Mine mine mine") count? Can't think of anything else though, so i'd welcome another animatronic.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Quote from: "JelleP"A robotic Rex would be wonderful! Would it be the first animatronic at the WDS?
I don't think so, off the top of my head there's Remy from Restaurant Des Stars and do the birds in Crush ("Mine mine mine") count? Can't think of anything else though, so i'd welcome another animatronic.
Well, the animatronic-collection could be improved then, right?
A new video from Reporter David came online , a new update from februari , twice as long:
[youtube:2aib5af0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiiR9A9eDiA[/youtube:2aib5af0]
And also the view from outside the 2 parks from the parachute tower
[youtube:2aib5af0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADrFiUDqkOE[/youtube:2aib5af0]
They're making progress, but I can't really see anything but steel and concrete...
I'm looking forward to it! :D
Me too. I tried to do something different becouse the other dude 'stole' my idea with filming over the hedge... so , then Reporterdavid comes in :) I know its a bit shaky , but yeah , everyone was watching me , so i was a bit nervous.
As you can see in the begin of the video , the studios entrance was very calm... i wonder why :P
Next videoupdate is on 15 march...
Anyway , i did it with joy ;)!
BTW. The photo of newsdlrp has been made @ cars race rally ;)
Well it looks to me as if there is definitely more than just the 3 main rides being built in there!
I have my fingers crossed!
New pictures: http://www.dlrptoday.com/2010/02/16/par ... e-skyline/ (http://www.dlrptoday.com/2010/02/16/parachute-drop-adds-more-pieces-to-the-skyline/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
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Remember this: viewtopic.php?p=117221#p117221 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?p=117221#p117221%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;) ? The view between that part of the boulevard (Franklin Dept Store and Los Feliz Hotel) could be so easily fixed just by extending the backdrop. How much would that take out of €70m?
Not the nicest looking of objects maybe it will be better when the parachutes are added!
Cheryl Cole has a song called Parachute, maybe she could be there at the opening event hehehe!! :p
I think it looks pretty good, and it is barely visible from the themed area of the park. The parachute tower also fits its theme very well.
Another point I'd like to make is one which Anthony made in his latest DLRP Today news item:
The capacity of this ride is more than the Jumping Jellyfish at California Adventure, whereas Jumping Jellyfish is 2 towers. (Half the amount of towers for a greater capacity is definitely a good thing)
I wonder if this is a new model/custom from Intamin, as their website only showcases the smaller 2 seater version.
How nice ,you can even see this from outside the park.
The weird thing is, even though this isn't a particuarly attractive ride system to begin with, the one at the Walt Disney Studios is even uglier! Check out the metalwork at the top of Jumpin' Jellyfish. Not as dense or bulky is it?
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I've seen it earlier in this thread but what is the latest guess at an opening date for TSPL?
^ It's still "summer 2010", as far as I know...
I love to see this think operating!
Looking forward to "summer 2010"...
me too, not going to join in the what if?/why not?/why?/if Walt could see this etc. debates and just looking forward to seeing my boys have fun on some new rides. Hoping to go second week of June, I wonder what my chances are of it being open? Surely someone out there has some inside info!
Our Parachute tower is probably bulkier at the top for theming reasons and for extra support as each wire will be carrying more weight.
On my last visit to DLP (5, 6 and 7 feb.), only three platforms were installed. And now the top is nearly finished! And I've even seen a photo of the purple supports going up for the RC Racer! Things are moving fast over there. I really don't think the view is ruined by the Parachute Drop pillar at all! It just adds more to the already amazing skyline of Studios.
I'm really excited about TSPL and I can't wait until it's open.
DLP management do read boards like these, and seeing people so enthusiastic about such poor additions to the park will only encourage them to build more.
It's a shame since just a few years ago I was so excited myself about the future of WDS. Toon Studio, Tower Of Terror, Stitch Live and Playhouse were a great start to turning it into a real Disney park. I really thought that by the 20th anniversary we might have had a transformed Production Courtyard, a tranformed Backlot, Soarin', as well as other things. But now, with TSPL, they're heading back to square one.
My last hope is that TSPL will be removed sometime in the future, but somehow I doubt that.
See now I've been biting my tongue because its so long since we've been and I am excited we will see so many new rides and attractions when we go, but..... My OH is in the forces and it looks like something you'd see in camp-yes I know thats the theming, its just a bit too familiar! lol
I am thinking the parachutes will soften it.
But I'm not too concerned as I am just a little excited at seeing it all! (Yay!) And I think thats maybe the way I need to look at it. Families who dont go so often wont be so wrapped up in the colour scheme just more rides to go on.
Does that make sense? :s
New photos of the ugly RC Racer structure from NewsDLRP:
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Looks like they're going to be using standard coaster track with some extra parts attached to make it look more like a hot wheels track.
I just can't believe we are now seeing bare steel coasters being built at DLP. Whats more disturbing is that some people still seem to believe that this is up to Disney standards. Honestly, looking at some of the photos above you'd think that you were looking at the construction of a Six Flags park.
On a side note, doesn't the Hollywood Boulevard look nice in the third photo?
I wasn't going to say anything for a while, to spare everyone the tedium of a negative comment after every construction update (far better to save the spewing of the gall for one spectacular session post-opening), but I have to say, it's making me a little ill.
It's the location that makes it all so awful. It's one thing for this to stand in a far corner of Disney's Animal Kingdom, but to see this on a side street of Hollywood Boulevard — a few yards away from the entrance of the park — is just too wrong for words.
How nice... Purple and orange...
Could it turn our more worse :S
On a good note-its the right colours for a hot wheel track........ on a bad note :shock: :shock: My word thats clashes!
My mantra-Its for the kids, its for the kids, its for the kids
Quote from: "tubbsy"My mantra-Its for the kids, its for the kids, its for the kids
See, this is my problem with the European audience. Nothing Disney parks do should be for the kids. Walt wanted to build a place where the whole family could have fun together, because he was fed up with places just having kiddy rides or thrill rides. Disney have forgotten this, and a large percentage of Europeans never seemed to know this in the first place.
Disney lost the plot a while ago, and I fear they will never get it back.
As long disney managment gets millions of dollars each year, as long disney imagineering will get
cost cutting. As long disney menegmant thinks the only attractions that will bring people into the park,
as long we will see bad work from the imagineers.
i don´t know how stupid they are, don´t they look back into the history of the parks?
Disneyland struggled to survive, then pirates of the caribbean opend and this attraction was a
hit from day one til today. then they got haunted mansion and it also was a huge success.
they should learn that visitors want quality rides, with an immersive story ala pirates or haunted manson.
got to the archives and take out some old ideas (western river expedition)....
i really would love to know what marty sklar or tony baxter think about this piece of crap!!!
I'm so tired of the "Disney lost it, have forgotten, Walt wanted etc, etc" stuff.
Who says adults can't have fun with the Parachute drop, Slinky or the RC Racer togehter with the kids. This are rides !almost! everybody can enjoy.
There are a lot of people out there who are f.e. afraid of roller coasters. So why not give them a simple "carnival ride" they can enjoy together with their kids.
What's wrong with that? Often the simplest idea is the best.
Even kids can't go on every roller coaster, so maybe they can have fun with their parents on the Slinky ride.
So Toy Story Playland may not be the most brilliant idea Disney has ever had, but I think it's ok.
The only thing they have to do now is rename Toon Studio in Pixar Studio and everything is perfect.
@Reianna
Those of us complaining about Toy Story Playland are not wishing for Disney to fill their parks with roller coasters. Disneyland isn't about roller coasters. Disneyland is about elaborate themed experiences that the whole family can enjoy together. If all you require is steel filling the sky, you can go to Six Flags or Thorpe Park for that.
I agree with you about the name change though. Toon Studio SHOULD be renamed Pixar Studio, or even Pixar Place. Anything but "toon".
@Alan
Roller coasters are just an example. I could have used Armageddon oder Moteurs Action instead. My daughter f.e. does not like Moteurs Action, Armageddon or even Cinemagique, but I'm sure she will like Slinky. I loved this Music Express ride as a kid. So I'm sure we can both enjoy it together. Ain't that Walts vision? Adults and kids together?
If I want a plain carnival ride with the name Music Express written on it, I'll go to the Oktoberfest with one ride next to the other and different music from every corner. But here it is themed with Slinky dog, matching music surroundigs and almost no disturbing noises. Big difference to me.
I don't wana see the parks filled with coasters or steal constructions either. I like roller coasters but they are not at the end of the foodchain.
As I said, TSP was not the most brilliant idea they've ever had, but it's fine with me. And I think there are worse things than TSP at the studios.
I agree with the location comments.... Slap bang in the middle of the park.... Bare steel ....For me, this wouldnt of been such an issue if it was closer to the costume building (the other side) on teh edge of teh park for example. It seems a very starange choice of location now we see it going up.
As for the attractions... Well, I am going to hold back until the themeing is complete, in the hope that through extensive themeing (it is £60 million for teh project!!!) WDI can pull this one off.
That said, based on the bare steel everywhere just now, and similar efforts in WDW and DCA im not holding much hope!
Quote from: "Alan"I agree with you about the name change though. Toon Studio SHOULD be renamed Pixar Studio, or even Pixar Place. Anything but "toon".
No, they shouldn't. Animagique, Art of Disney Animation and the Flying Carpets don't have any connection with Pixar. However I agree with you that "Toon" is quite inappropriate. Maybe they should replace "Toon" with "Animation" once again? That word would cover the entire area. However, something along the lines of Animation Studios sounds bland I have to admit...
DavewasBaloo-I must apologise, of course the park is for everyone and TBH my 16 year old would be offended that I called her a kid!
Hand on heart-I cant wait to see it and all the other attractions that have happened since our last visit (TOT and Stitch) Yes the clash of colours were a bit of a shock and I am hoping that theming will be developed, but all I want to do is get back to Disney. :D
I think its going to be nice :)
Halfpipe track is being installed:
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It looks like Intamin track, but the support structure looks different from normal Intamin Halfpipes.
So what they're building is an Intamin Surf Rider, right?
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Height 25-50 m
Track length 70-164 m
No. of boards 1
Seating capacity per board 12-36 persons
Hourly capacity (approx.) 460-1100 persons
Max. speed 85 km/h
Yes, although it called a Halfpipe by Intamin. More info here (//http://www.ridetrade.com/rti/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=37) ;)
It might still be a Zamperla though, as the description in the first post says:
QuoteRC Racer
Halfpipe coaster with remote control car RC riding backwards and forwards on an orange "Hot Wheels"-style track. Manufactured by Zamperla, the actual system will be a brand new custom build, based on their Mega Disk'O and Intamin's Halfpipe coaster.
So actually, we could have a brand new ride from Zamperla which is first being built at WDS.
However, Zamperla's normal Disk-O track is very similar to Hot Wheels track so I question why they haven't gone for a Disk-O.
Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "Alan"I agree with you about the name change though. Toon Studio SHOULD be renamed Pixar Studio, or even Pixar Place. Anything but "toon".
No, they shouldn't. Animagique, Art of Disney Animation and the Flying Carpets don't have any connection with Pixar. However I agree with you that "Toon" is quite inappropriate. Maybe they should replace "Toon" with "Animation" once again? That word would cover the entire area. However, something along the lines of Animation Studios sounds bland I have to admit...
Agreed. Animation Courtyard was a great name, but in their never-ending effort to cater to the lowest common denominator, they now apparently intend to eventually have a park full of "studios." The "Toon" thing obviously sounded like a cool English word, and provided a (pointless) link to Toontown.
Perhaps Animation Avenue or something would have worked had their expansion efforts gone in a different direction.
Last week we have been to DLRP and in my opinion TSPL looks cheap and out of place. I don't like it. Hopefully it gets better, but I don't think so. DLRP turned from a family oriented destination to a place for children.
When you are standing in front of ToT you can see this ugly green tower and it feels so wrong.
Ok, I've had a big think about TSPL, and I'm still not sure how I feel about it. There seems to be a clash of what is 'ideal' and what is 'do-able'. I mean, this area would be ok if there was more space for it, where the parachute tower is now is a bad location, but hide it at the back corner to draw you further in, exploring through the grasses and seeing it towering up and over the top of them, would certainly create the 'toy sized' feeling. But the parcel of land that's been given aside for it is simply too small for the illusion to work. Maybe a double sided backdrop would work here, with a continuation of the cityscape on the Hollywood side to hide it, and some sort of 'display box' on the other wrapping around the tower - but then I suppose that'll block the riders views from on ride (although they'll only see the backs of the current facades..).
RC Racer doesn't bother me too much, they've got the brackets on the track to presumably support a fake track addition, and the rest of the track is still needed to support the ride itself - but again, that is something that shouldn't really be 'needed' in the first place, with a little more thought and exploring other ideas then the experience could be similar but more immersive (I mean come on, RC Racer lends itself to a Test Track technology ride with more money and thought).
I'm interested to see how it turns out, I'm not going to slate it or rate it before it's finished and has had time to settle in, but I do still agree with the unfortunate change of direction for DLP argument. It's definately not what the original Imagineers had in their line of fire when they designed Disneyland California, in fact it'd probably have been laughed at back then for not being out their enough. But I'm sure that the decision to put it in would be to get the guests and revenue, and at the basis of it, that sadly, makes good business sense - like it or not, without additions and gimmicky 'years' then less people are likely to go, which will only reduce any chances of another big E-Ticket addition in the resort.
I think that the project is a nice idea* poorly executed and shoe-horned into the wrong space.
*Even though it's a toon theme, I'd rather see a toon area in Studios than it's neighbour, it suits the whole park style more.
^I totally agree with Scissorsboi: Toy Story Playland is in the wrong position of the park. Imagine it would be build behind Crush's Coaster or something, in that case the building would cover the attractions from the rest of the park and there wasn't any problem (in my opinion).
Toy story land seems typical american to me. That's what i don't like...
I'm glad about TSL build in Walt Disney Studio parc! It wouldn't fit in Disneyland Parc...
If it's anything like the 'surfer' from the video on the page before I don't think I will have the courage to even look at the ride in DLRP when its built and up and running, it just sends fear through me lol
Chips! I dont hope that the Playland is already done 1 march! :o
I planned my trip on the 14th. I would like to make a new building update...:(
I don't like the combi of purple and orange. I mean , why dont they paint the rc racer in grey like a real halfpipe!
Everyone's complaining about the location/placement of Toy Story Playland, and I agree, it's a weird place to put it.
BUT, if they put some tall trees around it, it's not a problem. You won't see it. Disneyland in California is FULL of trees. It's like a forest. Big Thunder Mountain is right next to Fantasyland, but you don't see it, because of all the landscaping inbetween.
Disney really need to turn the Walt Disney Studios into more of a park, and less of a car park. How expensive can trees be?
Quote from: "Alan"Everyone's complaining about the location/placement of Toy Story Playland, and I agree, it's a weird place to put it.
BUT, if they put some tall trees around it, it's not a problem. You won't see it. Disneyland in California is FULL of trees. It's like a forest. Big Thunder Mountain is right next to Fantasyland, but you don't see it, because of all the landscaping inbetween.
Disney really need to turn the Walt Disney Studios into more of a park, and less of a car park. How expensive can trees be?
I think that´s an important point. Landscaping. If you´re thining a bit about it you will see that Disneyland Park was built complelty diffrent to WDS. They have done nearly ALL the landscaping back in 1992. The attractions they built later had "masterplanned" gaps between other attractions with landscaping ready for it. In Disneyland Park they have just to add an attraction into this gaps without a big landscaping problem.
WDS was a fast built park where TWDC tried out how to built Disney parks without all the "high costs for things that you don´t really need" like a berm, landscaping without a function etc.
(Yes we know today that this wasn´t the best idea)
Now it´s a really hard challenge to add something to WDS. Remember the discussion about ToT. "DIRECTLY behind Studio 1???" "Where is the landscaping around it" etc. etc.
The lack of proper landscaping from the begining is always a problem here. With every new attraction they haven´t just to built the attraction and some landscaping additions, they have to built everything. From ground.
How would Disneyland Park be without all its landscaping details that haven´t a big function if you have a fast view on it but they seperate the lands, they give something to everyone eyes and - a main point - the make the park full. You don´t see any gaps (and they are everywhere. remember Disneyland park is the biggest Magic Kingdom park in the world but has less attractions then Disneyland Anaheim).
They should make a massive invest in placemaking/landscaping to give WDS some shape. From this point of view I won´t say much about TPL till the construction is nearly complete. But I have the hope that they simply have to do some landscaping, if they won´t a TPL that the disney fans like.
That's an excellent point, Alan and Riebi. Disneyland in California would indeed not work without its lush landscaping; it would be a little like the Studios, in fact. Imagine how oddly adjacent Splash Mountain and the Haunted Mansion would be without their buffer.
Also a good point about how layout and landscaping should come before attractions. When Euro Disneyland opened, it was already a complete park, even without a handful of rides we've now come to think of as indispensable. The same goes for even Hong Kong Disneyland. Rides fit into it naturally, because the "world" is already in place. There was a jungle before Indy, a land from the pages of a Jules Verne novel before Space Mountain. Splash Mountain will one day (God willing) fit seamlessly into Frontierland, and we'll wonder how it could have ever worked without it. The Studios on the other hand sees itself grow like an improvised quilt...
Although I'm not sure if there's a plant in existence that would successfully glue Toy Story Playland to Hollywood Boulevard.
QuoteDisney really need to turn the Walt Disney Studios into more of a park, and less of a car park. How expensive can trees be?
If you pay 5000 for a tree, disney pays 10 000 for one, disney makes all more expansive than it is in reality.
i think WDS looks like a car park because they have investors that don´t like trees or any plants :lol:
maybe it is to expansive to create new landskaping for every new attraction, and they think befor we pay that much
money to WDI and the Landscaping department we just take concrete, its cheaper and me as maneger can take a few
thousend for my own pocket :lol:
and oh yeah, i really hope they read all those boards, and listen to all the geeks who complain about them!
I thought Disney had its own tree farms exactly for this purpose?
I thought the same. I think I've read somewhere that Disney has one of the biggest tree and flower farms in France or Europe.
Quote from: "Willow"Halfpipe track is being installed:
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It looks like Intamin track, but the support structure looks different from normal Intamin Halfpipes.
I've got to say that looks FREAKING STEEP!! I've been on a similar disc-o-coaster at Paulton's Park in the South of England and it was nowhere near as vertical as that! On first impressions RC Racer is going to be a full on thrill attraction - and actually looks TOO SCARY for kids!
Too scarey for me! :shock: :lol:
well i definately wont be going on that halfpipe lol
Take a look at this aerial photo of the Honey I Shrunk The Kids playground at Disney's Hollywood Studios in Florida. There they've hidden the playground, with its tall structures, by wrapping a street set facade around it.
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Presumably Disney could do the same in Paris, extending the existing Hollywood Boulevard and hiding all the ugly views of Toy Story Playland in the process.
Some construction photos i took of the halfpipe today.
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The halfpipe looks awesome if i might say.
I think it looks pretty good, theming looks like it will be added to make it look more like Hot Wheels track. The colour is pretty nice, its looking better than I expected.
Thats definitely not an Intamin Half Pipe (the one in the video above, surf rider). This track has buffers at the top whereas Intamin track looks like it uses pneumatic rams.
And, the car should be smaller and less intimidating than Surf Rider, the track wouldn't be able to take a car of that weight.
I'm expecting this to be tamer than the one shown in the video, just a larger version of a generic Disk-O.
The angle might be steep but I don't think it will be overly thrilling, just fun.
Quote from: "Willow"I think it looks pretty good, theming looks like it will be added to make it look more like Hot Wheels track. The colour is pretty nice, its looking better than I expected.
Thats definitely not an Intamin Half Pipe (the one in the video above, surf rider). This track has buffers at the top whereas Intamin track looks like it uses pneumatic rams.
And, the car should be smaller and less intimidating than Surf Rider, the track wouldn't be able to take a car of that weight.
I'm expecting this to be tamer than the one shown in the video, just a larger version of a generic Disk-O.
The angle might be steep but I don't think it will be overly thrilling, just fun.
I'm pretty sure it's an Intamin, it looks pretty much identical to this:
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I doubt it's a Zamperla Disk-O-Coaster, nothing of the design matches up with one of those:
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Plus a car like Intamin's halfpipe makes much more sense than a round one from Zamperla if you look at the concepts.
The track of our version looks much less bulkier and the stopper at the top of the track is different.
The first post in the topic mentions that its a new model from Zamperla based on the Intamin Halfpipe.
Well, it looks much better than I expected!
The colours fit actually rather well, and the HotWheels-theming will make it even better in my opinion. So I'v got some of my positive thoughts about TSPL back... :roll:
Quote from: "Magic M"Quote from: "Willow"Halfpipe track is being installed:
http://twitpic.com/14bygp (http://twitpic.com/14bygp%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;) (From WDSFans/thebatman_1)
It looks like Intamin track, but the support structure looks different from normal Intamin Halfpipes.
I've got to say that looks FREAKING STEEP!! I've been on a similar disc-o-coaster at Paulton's Park in the South of England and it was nowhere near as vertical as that! On first impressions RC Racer is going to be a full on thrill attraction - and actually looks TOO SCARY for kids!
YES! Some of you may call me silly for saying this, but I am so chuffed its an Intamin instead of that Zamperla rubbish!
They're vertical, they free fall and its going to be around 100ft tall, this will be thrilling! This has made my day.
There's us all thinking we're getting one of these:
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When we're actually getting one of these:
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Whilst its still not a fantastic Disney attraction, it is now a hell of a lot better than it was this morning ;)
Thanks for the great pictures mehdi5!
Quote from: "Martyn"There's us all thinking we're getting one of these:
We pretty much know what we're getting from the concept art and model, it's very accurate: http://www.dlrpmagic.com/guidebook/walt ... ery_02.jpg (http://www.dlrpmagic.com/guidebook/walt-disney-studios-park/toon-studio/toy-story-playland/image_gallery_02.jpg%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Thanks for the pictures. This thing is really huge. Still not a fan of TSPL.
The half pipe ride actually looks kinda fun if you was visiting thorpe park or something lol.
It is erm very high though :shock:
Quote from: "littlemermaid83"The half pipe ride actually looks kinda fun if you was visiting thorpe park or something lol.
Exactly, this is the sort of ride I would expect to see if I went to Thorpe Park. No matter how fun it is (and I am sure it will be), it's never going to be worthy of a Disney park.
Personally I think a smaller DiskO ride would have been better (though still not great) since it's more suitable for families and not so ridiculously huge and ugly.
Totally agree with you RnRCj. Definately not worth for a Disney park. Instead of three rides they should have built one ride with a great theming.
I know what you're saying, but wait until they've themed it first.
It was mentioned a while back that a quite a few of you were surprised at how well Cars Race Rally turned out, so lets give them the benefit of the doubt.
Quote"Back then I had a budget of a few thousand pounds to juggle, whereas now I'm responsible for the opening of a €70 million [£60 million] attraction — Toy Story Playland."
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70 Million Euros for THIS? Holy CRAP!!! WTF?!
What did they spent all the money on?!!!!
70 million euros for TSPL????? OMG!!With that amount of money Disney could nearly build a dark ride.
WDS is and will always be one mess of a park. It is a shame to see cheap stuff like the Toy Story rides in any Disney park.
Hmm , it doesnt fit there anyway. I think that the studios is a park with unique rides... i mean , you would find a tower of terror somewhere else , as well as armageddon (what a heck of a ride is that anyway?!?) and now a slow droptower and a halfpipe. I hope that Ratatouille is gonna make it some better! :roll:
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Since when is TSPL located in the Disneyland Park?!?
Finally some HQ concept art! Courtesy of WDSfans.com
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If we get everything that's in this concept art, then I think the themeing of this area will be it's saving grace.
Looks awsome on high quality!
DisneySEA looks awesome... not WDS
Walt is spinning
Sadly Timmy Timmy Timmy, only a small percentage of European Disney fans really know what the Disney difference is all about. But when the Disney CEO doesn't even know anymore, well, frankly expect more of this stuff. I am trying to find some new hobbies in the meantime. The heartbreak was just too much to endure.
^ Well, age will have something to do with it as well. It's not all bitter old people like us around here.
I thought somebody mentioned on another page that there was to be large character models, Rex etc, I cant see any in that artwork?
Quote from: "Martyn"I thought somebody mentioned on another page that there was to be large character models, Rex etc, I cant see any in that artwork?
Rex is over by the Blue monkey barrel
Quote from: "pussinboots"^ Well, age will have something to do with it as well. It's not all bitter old people like us around here.
True, but I probably would have only been excited about it up to the age of about 12. Even as a kid, New Orlean Square, Adventureland, Frontierland and Tomorrowland had far more appeal than Fantasyland. And compared to TSPL, Fantasyland is the most awesome thing ever.
I'm not hugely excited by TSPL, in fact I think the money could have been used for far greater things. But it's well on its way now, and the best we can do now is to try and salvage something from this expansion. The area will hopefully be better themed than many original areas of WDS, which is surely something to be positive about? This will hopefully signal a change in WDS Imagineering whereby more and more themed areas will be added to the park in the near future.
The attractions themselves might not be to everyone's tastes, and are certainly not Disney's best works in terms of Imagineering, but they will help to even out the capacity of the park.
Whilst I'm still not overly enthused about the TSPL, I am still intrigued to see how it turns out.
I disagree (no surprise). I would argue that WDSP was better themed opening day than this. At least when it opened, it felt like a Studio. And the ToT expansion added to this too.
But the whole Toon Studios and now TSPL was a huge waste, and horrid theming. It is cheap canival tac, the lot of it, including the overrated piece of junk that is Crush coaster.
Can you stop this "European fans" thing? It just comes across a little bit rude.
Quote from: "luke85"Whilst I'm still not overly enthused about the TSPL, I am still intrigued to see how it turns out.
Great post. Intrigued is the word.
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If we get everything that's in this concept art, then I think the themeing of this area will be it's saving grace.
Wooow. Look rather good, I must say. Although it's a shame all concept art looks the same nowadays.
The "grass" is a bit disapponting though. I was expecting grass alá Honey, I Shrunk The Kids!, with huge blades.
Also - where is Buzz, Ham, Bo-Peep and the aliens?? Surprised they aren't to be seen.
But I do think it looks very tidy. It may lack originality and imagination (and innovrntion), but frankly, it's progress and it'll do for making WDS bigger and better.
I rather like Toon-Studio. It's DLRP's answer to Toontoen, and I thought the concept of 'where toons go to shoot thieft films' was great, but it doesn't seem to have materialised.
I do love that picture through...I think I've found a new desktop image :P :D
What is WDS supposed to be? To me and most others it looks like a place where Disney dumps rides they can´t fit in Disneyland. Nothing really fits in WDS. It has been a terrible idea from the start.
There once was a time when people saw Disneyparks as something worth travelling a long distance to visit. Nowdays it is something one visits when there is time over on a trip abroad or something.
WDS is just a mess. How on earth can anyone here say it looks good? It is not a matter of taste anymore. Can´t you see it looks like ****?!
Disneyland Paris is awesome. But WDS is the worst Disney park ever created. A few good rides does not make a good park.
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Quote from: "Anthony"Can you stop this "European fans" thing? It just comes across a little bit rude.
Then how would explain the difference? Less informed? Less experienced? Ignorant?
I think that you are trying to be insulting Daveisalwaysmoaning
Not at all, I am trying to always understand the differences in how all the resorts are run, the whys and the whatfores. There is a clear difference in the way DLP is run vs the other resorts, some things better (original design, some of the table service dining etc.) and some things worse (TSPL).
At least I am trying to understand why than taking personal pokes at people. I also love travelling around the area including using the trains.
FWIW, I perhaps try to point out concerns in the stupid hope that there will be improvements. Sadly, I am seriously thinking more and more about selling our villa on the golf course or ignoring DLP exists when we go there.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Anthony"Can you stop this "European fans" thing? It just comes across a little bit rude.
Then how would explain the difference? Less informed? Less experienced? Ignorant?
I don't think you need to mention where people come from at all. You can't bunch everyone together and claim that "European fans" just don't get it. Do all American Disney fans have the same opinion as yourself? Probably not, as everyone has their own thoughts and feelings about the parks. Don't assume all European Disney fans are, as you so nicely put it,
"Ignorant"
As a social scientist, it is important to cluster different social types, in fact it is a necessity to make decisions on what to do next. It happens all the time in Business (marketting), Social Care, Economic Policy, Health Care etc.
The reality is a form of ignorance (ignorance means not knowing), what proportion of DLP visitors have been to other Disney resorts? What proportion have only been going to DLP in the last 5 or 10 years? What proportion of DLP visitors can only draw comparitive referrence with steel coaster/fun fair/ Merlin type parks? I would wager the majority of fans fit more into those and therefore do not know what Disney used to be capable of.
Then again, there is also some potential that maybe stupid iron and steel rides and character shows are all that we should expect from now on because that is what the masses want? I hope not.
I think Davewasbaloo is corect with his views, and many European fans who visit the parks are ill informed about the other Resorts. But at the same time many of the same people don't actually apreciate or deserve this sort of high quality anyway and you only have to look at the way the Disneyland park is treated by the Guest to understand that. If the average Guest did apreciate the quality would we see so much graffiti and vandalism though out the park. Would we see rubish thrown in the water features, and finally would people urinate behind Skull Rock. Toy Story Playland in my view is built in mind for the people who disregard quality, so I feel its a good fit for the Studios.
Me personally I prefer my Disney expeiences to be above that found currently in Paris, and I'm very much looking forward to visiting the Disneyland Resort and Tokyo Disney Resort in the upcoming years. And if you still really think we shouldn't complain about what we get in Paris, I ask you all to go over the concept art for Cars Land, Mystic Point or heck even WDW Fantasyland.
This sounds like a kind of snobbery in which only those visitors who have been going to DLP for long enough, and have the money to travel to other Disney parks around the world are qualified to have an opinion on the resort. Am I somehow wrong in believing that Disneyland Paris' magic kingdom compares very well with the other parks? If it does then I think any visitor who has been there will understand this elusive 'Disney' factor quite well and so can quite easliy apply it in casting judgement or opinion on other proposed attractions as validly as anyone else.
And what of those of us who dedicated a lot of our time and hard earned money because of our love of Disney. We should not have to travel to another continent to get a quality Disney expernience. Most of the Quality in DLP (except ToT) was built during the first 10 years.
Some of us have worked very hard to be able to go to these parks around the globe, or made significant sacrifices to do so. So ever stopped to think that is what has made us so passionate about our concerns?
Traffic flows in both directions.
Well said Malin.
The themepark culture is more than 50 years old in the US and so there are more people who know Disney from the beginning. I'm certain that many young Americans don't look at the parks like davewasbaloo. When we have been to WDW most people were also more interested in thrill rides than in the quality of the parks.
There are still many people on Main Street or in other parts of the park and are stunned by the great theming. During my first visits to DLRP I was also more interested in thrill rides, but I fell in love with this place and so I read everything I could find about DLRP. So I think your view about the parks will change over the years. Now when we visit DLRP we don't have to ride as many rides as possible. We just want to enjoy the atmosphere of DLP.
I can compare DLRP only to WDW and except for guest service I like the European resort better. Especially WDS compared to DHS. I know that DHS is better themed, but I think we got the better attractions.
WDW has also some very chaep rides. You have just to look at the Dinoland area in DAK. Compared to this I really have to say that TSPL is more promising.
Nevertheless it's really sad when you look at the attractions that the other resorts around the globe will receive during the next years. For example Carsland at DCA, Mystic Manor and Grizzly Trail at HKDL or the Fantasyland expansion at WDW. At least TSPL will not be built in our great Disneyland park like in HKDL. That would be the worst case for me.
Agreed that young or new American guests don't get it either. But the difference between DLP just being a fun park to go to, and a captivating resort that keeps bringing people back are the details, and the focus on providing well rounded options that appeal to the whole family so it does not become a place just for kids (like Legoland is perceived) or for thrills (like Europa Park and Thorpe Park).
Each of these cheap things kills the Disney experience little by little.
And I agree, I would rather go to DLRP than WDW, and prefer our MK and Studios to the Florida versions. But there are elements of quality in Epcot and DAK, and especially in Disneyland and Tokyo that DLP used to compete very well on. Not so much anymore.
FWIW - I view TDPL being on par with Chester and Hester, and that is not in a good way.
Epcot and Animal Kingdom are two great parks, our favorite parks there. Despite the bad Dinoland AK is one of the best themed Disney parks, but that's just my opinion. And Epcot is a one of a kind themepark. We enjoyed this park the most.
You are absolutely right that details bring most of the people back to the park. At least that's one reason why we are going to Disney.
Quote from: "luke85"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Anthony"Can you stop this "European fans" thing? It just comes across a little bit rude.
Then how would explain the difference? Less informed? Less experienced? Ignorant?
I don't think you need to mention where people come from at all. You can't bunch everyone together and claim that "European fans" just don't get it. Do all American Disney fans have the same opinion as yourself? Probably not, as everyone has their own thoughts and feelings about the parks. Don't assume all European Disney fans are, as you so nicely put it, "Ignorant"
Wellll... There is a difference, generally speaking of course. If you've ever read an LA Times article on Disney, or visited the Disneyland section of MiceChat, or read MiceAge for that matter, you'll have noticed the sky-high standards and expectations still in place over there. Now don't get me wrong, they're horrible people, awful, and I for one would much rather be here. But Disneyland probably wouldn't be able to get away with the cheapness that's bestowed on its French counterpart.
And when Disney's California Adventure opened, it was such a flop that it got spoofed in not one but several Simpsons episodes. I.e., what Disney does is somehow relevant to the cultural vernacular. In Europe, people don't think about a theme park as something that is significant or newsworthy or interesting in any way. It just doesn't come up in conversation unless someone is taking their kids there. Europeans discuss football, the Eurovision Song Contest, royalty, why America sucks, why railway companies suck... No one is talking about Disney. Let alone in a critical manner. Euro Disney could fill a ditch with rainwater, call it Water World, charge €40 admission and it wouldn't matter to anyone. That's the difference.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "luke85"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Then how would explain the difference? Less informed? Less experienced? Ignorant?
I don't think you need to mention where people come from at all. You can't bunch everyone together and claim that "European fans" just don't get it. Do all American Disney fans have the same opinion as yourself? Probably not, as everyone has their own thoughts and feelings about the parks. Don't assume all European Disney fans are, as you so nicely put it, "Ignorant"
Wellll... There is a difference, generally speaking of course. If you've ever read an LA Times article on Disney, or visited the Disneyland section of MiceChat, or read MiceAge for that matter, you'll have noticed the sky-high standards and expectations still in place over there. Now don't get me wrong, they're horrible people, awful, and I for one would much rather be here. But Disneyland probably wouldn't be able to get away with the cheapness that's bestowed on its French counterpart.
And when Disney's California Adventure opened, it was such a flop that it got spoofed in not one but several Simpsons episodes. I.e., what Disney does is somehow relevant to the cultural vernacular. In Europe, people don't think about a theme park as something that is significant or newsworthy or interesting in any way. It just doesn't come up in conversation unless someone is taking their kids there. Europeans discuss football, the Eurovision Song Contest, royalty, why America sucks, why railway companies suck... No one is talking about Disney. Let alone in a critical manner. Euro Disney could fill a ditch with rainwater, call it Water World, charge €40 admission and it wouldn't matter to anyone. That's the difference.
So true, quite simply "Europeans" (we do have individual nationalities eg. British, French, German, Spanish, Dutch, Austrian etc etc) have more important things to do and to talk about that theme parks, place where we go to escape the real world,do things we don't normally do, like visit Andy's Backyard in the form of TSPL, and no amount of whining is going to halt construction, so its time we all stepped back just a little and realised THIS IS HAPPENING whether we like it or not.
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ps. I and many others HATE being catergorised, for example I'm seen as thug because I am a teen but I am not a thug and I do not see my self as European, I am British, I do not think anyone sees them self as European, its like me saying "oh, those North Americans"
Quote from: "SM:M3"no amount of whining is going to halt construction, so its time we all stepped back just a little and realised THIS IS HAPPENING whether we like it or not.
RANT OVER
But we are still allowed to give our opinions on it. I hate TSPL, I am allowed to say that. Just because it is being built does not mean we have to like it. Besides, whining and moaning may help just a smidge to make sure sure something as awful as TSPL never happens again.
And by the way, no need for the caps, it sounds like you're shouting. :wink:
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "SM:M3"no amount of whining is going to halt construction, so its time we all stepped back just a little and realised THIS IS HAPPENING whether we like it or not.
RANT OVER
But we are still allowed to give our opinions on it. I hate TSPL, I am allowed to say that. Just because it is being built does not mean we have to like it. Besides, whining and moaning may help just a smidge to make sure sure something as awful as TSPL never happens again.
And by the way, no need for the caps, it sounds like you're shouting. :wink:
Yeah I know exactly what you mean, they built an "synthetic turf pitch" read astro turf at school and I despise it, and I'm not too happy at TSPL. But 3 attractions in a dead park don't mean Disney is self-imploding when things like Grizzly Trail, Mystic Point, WDW Fantasyland are coming, it just means we got the bum deal. It just annoys me that people are acting like its the end of Disney forever
Quote from: "SM:M3"But 3 attractions in a dead park don't mean Disney is self-imploding when things like Grizzly Trail, Mystic Point, WDW Fantasyland are coming, it just means we got the bum deal. It just annoys me that people are acting like its the end of Disney forever
I think people are pissed off
because we got the bum deal. Again.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "SM:M3"But 3 attractions in a dead park don't mean Disney is self-imploding when things like Grizzly Trail, Mystic Point, WDW Fantasyland are coming, it just means we got the bum deal. It just annoys me that people are acting like its the end of Disney forever
I think people are pissed off because we got the bum deal. Again.
Yeah, we did and we are all pissed off but we've had I don't know, a year?, to get used to this. Its just Hong Kong got something great to sweeten the blow of Toy Story Land, so by rights we should get something great to soften the blow of Playland, anyone for new E-Tickets; Ratatouille, The Little Mermaid, Star Tours 2 (Perhaps That's A D-Ticket) but this won't be the only expansion we get, there will be more, some amazing, some good and some crap
Sorry but why this rudness here??
"It's not what you say, but how you say it."
Let´s face it: TLPL is not everyones taste.
For this "European Fan" thing I have to say, that Disneyland Paris was on a very good way after 1997 with it´s best themed MK in the world. You can clearly see in figures that the "European Fans" don´t like(d) WDS in 2002. Why? Cause it wasn´t Disney quality. So this "European" - "American" long theme park tradition thing is absolutly rubish for me and makes me angry. The "European Fans" knows very well which quality of a theme park they want and they know even better that WDS isn´t the Disney quality that they would expect. WDS would simply be a success if they won´t get this point. But it isn´t we all know that.
About this "American park feeling everything better and nicer thing" I can only say: NO! It isn´t. Sorry but every "European Fan" which get for much much money to an american Disney resort with all this overrated dreams and hopes about the extremly high quality of Disneyland Anaheim or WDW will just be one thing: Very disapointed. Like I said before DL Anaheim isn´t the glory land. It´s a Disney Theme park with strengthes and weaknesses like every disney theme park in the world.
And for the invest: They built ToT, Crush, Cars... all in a very short time scale. It´s not like Paris won´t get anything. And I remember quiet well that we talked some time before about the poor american resorts that seems not to get one new attraction.
So maybe we can focus again on TSPL and not on European Fans, weird belief in US or J Resorts and other rudeness. Facts and opinions not affronts.
meantime I´m thinking that´s a fighting club here. not the magicforum.
>>>meantime I´m thinking that´s a fighting club here. not the magicforum.<<<
Well maybe that's life. Indeed the US parks are not what they used to be either.
But there are definately different tastes in different markets, and a strong locals market as in California and Japan will not put up with poor choices. Disney tend to sort the issues out. In WDW and DLP, this is not so much the case.
Clearly with the attitudes that everything is fine, then you all get what you deserve.
Oh the problem is not to say what is wrong at DLP the problem is the rudness in this topic and this "Europeans" don´t like quality and the US makes everything right.
I have no problem with critic at TSPL - there´s much someone can say about it. But I don´t think that this kind of discussions about an european way of life (which doesn´t excist cause every life here his own countries way of life) about an european taste (same problem) and an european quality standard (which is higher in nearly everything except disney theme parks??) get´s one of this problems.
I think the "europeans" love high quality theme parks with top landscaping, with a story behind etc. like Disneyland Park. And cause they don´t like to spent money for a theme park like WDS we have the problem.
But back to TSPL and the lack of quality here. Which could make the problem bigger. But cause I don´t know how they quality of TSPL will be till the point it´s nearly finished I won´t say much about it.
And fighting is not life for me. Respect, discussions and opinions. That´s life.
I'll go back to what I've always said on this subject. WDS had only two rides on opening day, Rock n Roller Coaster and Flying carpets (I wasn't keen on either) and no themeing other than the front lot. Although I've always liked the Studios. Clearly the park needs more than two rides. I think Disneyland Paris has done a lot to address these issues. TSPL does fit into Toon Studio and I think a lot of families will have fun with it. There has to be something for everyone to enjoy. I don't expect to like all the rides. I don't like Space Mountain, but I love BTM. I don't do Orbitron or the Flying Elephants, but I love Peter Pan and Snow White. The second park at DLP was always going to be a Studios, DisneySea was never on the cards for Europe. And as for what Walt Disney would do, how do we know he would have built a Theme park in Europe in the first place? So enjoy it.
One thing Walt Disney didn't have to put up with was the internet ( I know we couldn't live without it) So if a ride broke down in his park, or some paint got scrapped, a picture of the problem couldn't be sent around the world in 5 minuets flat to put him to shame. Infact most people in Britain didn't get the chance to go to Disneyland in American during his lifetime, that didn't started until the 1970's and cheap flights. O.K the world has changed a lot since his time. The Walt Disney company is much bigger now. He only had one theme park to worry about and look after, he couldn't even afford to buy his own hotel. Look how the Walt Disney company has grown, more theme parks, more hotels, more rides, a Cruise line, theatre. TSPL is just a small part of that. WDS did need more rides.
Here here. I completly agree.
Well said, ed-uk.
*round of applause*
It may not seem like it, but what I have been trying to say has just been summed up by ed-uk so simply!
*round of applause* indeed
From what I gather Tommorowland '98 at Disneyland was a disaster and 12 years on Disney are still here producing amazing attractions for the whole family to enjoy. And I think the whole family can enjoy Toy Story Playland and I for one can't wait to go and try out these new attractions. Does anyone have any newer updates/photos by the way?
Whether one likes TSPL is a matter of opinion. Whether it is Disney quality is not a matter of opinion. It is not Disney quality. It's average-theme-park quality.
This sort of thing should not be being built at a Disney park. WDS isn't a very well designed park as it is; TSPL is making it worse. It is not adding to the theme of the park. It is not giving the park a better structure. It has just been added on to the end of the park and doesn't actually make any sense. Not only that but the rides themselves look awfully tacky.
If you can't see that, you're blind. 8)
TSPL is not average theme park quality in my opinion. But if you think it is, I could say the same thing about the Flying Carpets, the Flying Elephants, The Tea Cups, the Carousel, Orbitron. Traditionally Disney have always had rides like these, and they are popular. You don't have to go to Disneyland for them, you can find them in a British theme park. It's the themeing of the rides that makes Disneyland so special. It makes sense to have these type of rides in the Studios because some people won't want to go on Rock n Roller Coaster or TOT. I don't think Disney set out to junk their parks with poor quality rides. It's not in their interest to do that. They are not in the theme park business to destroy their parks.
Well, now I have "screened" this topic for quite a while and now the construction is coming along, I think I have to admit that my small hopes about construction changing the quality of this addition is now gone - this will not be up to the quality I expect of a Disney park - sadly!
I had my hopes that themening and WDI magic could safe this project but the color scheme of the Parachute Drop tower and the size, material and colors of the RC Racer construction has made this hope unsufficient - they would have to pull of some groundbreaking themening and unfortunately I do not think this will happen with a rather "small" addition as this is in my opinion (Compared to ToT, Ratatouille and partly Toon Studio too).
Regarding the endless discussion about european fans >< american fans that has made this topic lose it's focus. I just want to point out that I and many of the other people complaining about this addition are european fans and we DO have the ability to sense when something is true Disney magic or not - you do not have to be raised in the original Disneyland to feel this! So I completely agree with Riebi and even though I respect your opinion Davewasbaloo and agree with you regarding a lot of your opinions on how we have lost the true Disney magic for some time now, I think the comments about "european fans" were generalising and unnecessary.
Quote from: "forza_united"Well, now I have "screened" this topic for quite a while and now the construction is coming along, I think I have to admit that my small hopes about construction changing the quality of this addition is now gone - this will not be up to the quality I expect of a Disney park - sadly!
I had my hopes that themening and WDI magic could safe this project but the color scheme of the Parachute Drop tower and the size, material and colors of the RC Racer construction has made this hope unsufficient - they would have to pull of some groundbreaking themening and unfortunately I do not think this will happen with a rather "small" addition as this is in my opinion (Compared to ToT, Ratatouille and partly Toon Studio too).
TSPL looks a lot better in the concept arts, but after seeing the Parachute Tower in real life two weeks ago all my hopes for good theming were gone, too.
I don't want to participate anymore in the discussion about European and American Fans or about Disney quality, but I want to say one last thing. In my opinion TSPL is really not Disney quality and comparing these rides with the Dumbo, the Tea Cups and the Carousel is not fair, because they are built in a very well themed land, except at WDW's Fantasyland.
I must say I'm having trouble with this whole thing about some of us knowing true Disney magic when we see it, and the rest of us supposedly less knowledgeable on the Disney subject don't. European or not. I mean people don't mind taking a ride on the flying Elephants from Dumbo or the Flying Carpets from Aladdin, but they can't imagine anybody wanting to go on the Parachute Drop from Toy Story. Admittedly the Parachute Drop is big and green, but since TSPL is still a building site, I don't know how some people can tell Disney have lost the true Disney magic so soon. If it's about being fair maybe we can judge TSPL and Toon Studios better when it's finished.
Quote from: "ed-uk"I must say I'm having trouble with this whole thing about some of us knowing true Disney magic when we see it, and the rest of us supposedly less knowledgeable on the Disney subject don't. European or not. I mean people don't mind taking a ride on the flying Elephants from Dumbo or the Flying Carpets from Aladdin, but they can't imagine anybody wanting to go on the Parachute Drop from Toy Story. Admittedly the Parachute Drop is big and green, but since TSPL is still a building site, I don't know how some people can tell Disney have lost the true Disney magic so soon.
That's the reason why I have said "in my opinion". I respect the views and opinions of other people on TSPL, but I'm not a fan of this new land. Maybe it will turn out better than expected and maybe not.
The reason why I think TSPL will not turn out very well is that there are similar rides (Jumpin' Jellyfish) at DCA. I haven't been there, but friends showed me their pictures and on these pictures the ride looked really cheap. I also didn't like Chester and Hester's Dinorama at Dinoland USA in DAK at WDW (I have been there) and I think these two sub-lands could be compared. Nevertheless I have to admit, that based on the concept arts TSPL looks better than the dinorama which is just a concret desert with some barely themed rides.
But as I have said before, that's just my opinion.
Quote from: "dagobert"In my opinion TSPL is really not Disney quality and comparing these rides with the Dumbo, the Tea Cups and the Carousel is not fair, because they are built in a very well themed land, except at WDW's Fantasyland.
Yes, this is why the Fantasyland rides are better. They are all located in a truly beautiful land. None of them tower above the park with bare steel and none of them look tacky. They have all been designed with the greatest care and attention to detail.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Admittedly the Parachute Drop is big and green, but since TSPL is still a building site, I don't know how some people can tell Disney have lost the true Disney magic so soon.
Have you seen the concepts arts and model? There is virtually no more theming to be added to the paratower and halfpipe. They've built the bare steel structure of it, and that is it. There's nothing more to come to hide their ugliness.
You can argue this all you want, but the fact is TSPL is not good enough. TSPL is not even close to the standards DLP used to achieve.
Well only time will tell. We'll see how popular TSPL turns out to be, and if DIsney got it right or not. I'm not going to argue about it. But I'd be disappointed if TSPL turned out to be ugly, I don't think it's ment to be. Two of the rides are going to be high though, that's for sure. I will judge it for myself when it's finished, it still looks like a building site to me. And Fantasyland and Toon Studios are different, I don't think they're supposed to look the same.
It is shocking to read how some guys here "ok" TSPL and compare it to something Walt had built 60 years ago. Nobody needs another Fantasyland or Dinorama.
TSPL will have lines and children will be smiling when riding. But that does not make it a succes. Anything next to Disneyland should be somewhat popular, especially in half empty park like WDS. A well themed unique ride would have been a better solution in all ways and more in line with what Disney is known for.
The only good thing about WDS is the entrence.
If you think the only thing good about the WDS is the entrance, I'm shocked. If TSPL has long lines of smiling kids some people might view it as a success even if you do not. We all want more unique rides and good themeing in WDS in the future, I'm sure, not just TSPL. Nobody is saying TSPL is enough. But I think it fits into Toon Studios. I wouldn't like it in the middle of Fantasyland or in Disneyland park, and that's not what they're are doing.
Seriously people all this judging before its finished, yes everyone can have their own opinion but dont be so narrow minded that you wont change it. I bet when your houses were half built they didn't look like much. When I see it finished in the flesh I'll judge
As has been said before, you don't need to see the finished product to realise that this is not a Disney quality addition.
Everytime we see new pics of what they are building in WDS we just keep getting more and more horrified. It just keeps getting worse.
NOTHING about TSPL fits in WDS.
Imagine walking around in movie studio. You get to see behind the scenes of moviesets, see props and view artists tamper with stuff inside a sound studio...
See Hollywood and feel the golden age of movies...and then you shrink to miniature size and visit toys in a garden.
I´d rather go on one good ride as a child and remember it all my life than to go on many cheap rides that don´t leave an impression.
People keep bring up Walt Disney and I can understand why, it is Disneyland Paris. The thing is a new generation of imagineers has come along with ideas of their own which they want to see built. We cant expect them to be like Walt Disney. DLP want to add capacity to the WDS, and maybe they have to come up with something on a budget. Money being what it is at EuroDisney. And that's the challenge for them. Obviously they could have come up with something bigger and better with 200,0000 Euros to spend.
The rides in STPL are popular in other theme parks, people just feel Disney shouldn't be having them. It's the themeing of the land which will be the key here. Just like with the Flying Elephants and The Tea Cups in Fantasyland as has been said. I think TSPL will fit into Toon Studios, not Disneyland Park and that's not happening. I didn't ok it, I didn't design it, and I'm not building it. But I can see why Disney want to add capacity to the Studios. For those who don't like the Studios or think it should look different and don't like Toon Studios, I can't help. But I like the Studios and Toon Studios. I would like to see more great themeing in the future reflecting the golden age of Hollywood.
Dugh , I am very upset that i would'nt go to Disneyland Paris anymore ANY DAY in my life!!!
Some dutch women from Disneyland Paris said that my videos are too amaturistic and that the would want to invite me to the pressopening of the playland , if its coming there like Tower of Terror / Stitch Live.
I made these videos , put a lot of time in it... and now I can get crapped out by not being invited!
Crappy Disneyland Paris! :-x
sorry disney david i dont get your last post at all - i think something is lost in translation, it doesnt make sense. what are you saying, are you upset you wont get invited to the press opening of TSP?
I also don't get it what you are saying.
I thought that only members of the press, newspapers, magazines, radio or tv stations are invited to press openings? Do you work for any of these?
phew i thought it was just me for a moment - and yes your films are amateurish but you are an amateur - that doesnt mean they arent enjoyable - i like watching your videos and look forward to your video updates :-)
Quote from: "Disneydavid"Some dutch women from Disneyland Paris said that my videos are too amaturistic and that the would want to invite me to the pressopening of the playland , if its coming there like Tower of Terror / Stitch Live.
Euhm, let's be a bit realistic. They cannot invite just anybody that creates some YouTube videos to every press event they organize. If they would do that, they could as well let anybody in for free and give them the premium treatment. I don't think that scales very well...
Those press events are marketing events, they want to reach media which has quite some coverage. They give you free access and often also other free stuff, like food, drinks, etc. They hope, in turn, people will write positive stuff about them, which in turn will lead to more visitors.
Then again , you could'nt stamp people as 'amature' ....
Quote from: "Disneydavid"Then again , you could'nt stamp people as 'amature' ....
Everyone exept official press makes amateur photo's and video's. You do not make money with your video's so that would mean you are a official amateur ;) nothing to attack you, but it is true.
Because you are Dutch:
ama·teur: iemand die iets uit liefhebberij beoefent
translated:
Amateur: someone that does it for fun.
People that make the worst video's for fun are amateurs.
People that make the worst video's to make money with it, are no amateurs, but "act" like them.
People that make beautiful video's for fun are still amateurs.
People that make beautiful video's to make money with it, are no amateurs.
It's really just what the word is meant to be, nothing to be "stamped" with personally.
I agree with MagicKenny, you are indeed an amateur and that's not insulting at all.
I love to photograph, and I too am an amateur cause it's not my profession.
On the new commercial that has just been released for the UK it states the new rides will be open late summer....which month do you think as i dont want to visit unless the new playland is up and running ?
They keep saying august, but that also has 31 days...
I'm visiting the 15th and 16th of august, I really hope it'll be opened by then.
Quote from: "Annet"They keep saying august, but that also has 31 days...
I'm visiting the 15th and 16th of august, I really hope it'll be opened by then.
You may get lucky , we visited the Studios the month before ToT opened and they were trialling it with a soft opening ,but the times were very limited and it was not every day !! However it made the trip :D
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I already left a comment on DLRPToday. I'm not sure if it passes moderation, as I quite clearly stated my opinion of the whole thing.
It's becoming quite clear that this whole addition has nothing to do with Disney quality imagineering as we remember. To be honest, it's just plain bad and it deeply saddens me, that after they finally managed to turn things right around 2006, they now start to screw it up all over again.
Those things are large, ugly and intrusive from many angles. Heck, that ugly camouflage pole was clearly visible from BTM when I last visited, so that funfair contraption of a halfpipe will probably also be visible from there.
I seriously hope a bomb explodes right before opening and they can claim their insurance money to build something decent instead.
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Talk about an ugly park. Uh!
Quote from: "johnd331"I seriously hope a bomb explodes right before opening and they can claim their insurance money to build something decent instead.
Really? I don't think it's wise to be hoping for things like that to happen, no matter how much you dislike TSPL.
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Even though I like WDSP to a degree (some fab attractions, and it used to have brilliant live entertainment too), this has got to be one of the ugliest views in a Disney Themepark, heck, in almost any things park.
And you guys are happy about this or want to wait to give an opinion?
Stop the world, I wanna get off.
I agree Dave! At the moment it looks very ugly.
Ways it can be improved (without the the unlikely option of dismantling TSPL):
1) Remove the ugly column with Cinderella on it.
2) Have a themed queue barrier instead of that rope.
3) Paint that horrible grey wall
That's definately an ugly view and the most annoying thing, besides TSPL, in this picture is the ugly grey light pole with Cinderella on it. They should have been removed during the placemaking. They fit quite well in the Backlot area, but not in the Toon Studios.
I think the park was heading in the right direction in 2007 and a lot of amtmosphere was added with ToT and the sitting area behind the Hollywood buildings to the park. In my opinion La Terrasse is a very relaxing place where you can enjoy these great non-alcoholic Perrier Cocktails.
The things I hate in that photo are all leftovers from 2002. And the same in this one...
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Look at those hideous speakers. I don't blame DLP for not having the huge billion dollar project of DCA, but I do blame it for not taking the same smart approach of trickling updates and improvements, the kind of general plussing (however small) that just came to a full stop at WDS several years ago.
I was going to wait till opening before passing comment,but this is just awful !! It couldn't be further from the high standards Disney used to have , instead of improving the Studios it seems they want to run it into the ground ! After just coming back from WDW last week the differences between the US Studios and Paris are vast and I don't think they will ever achieve the atmosphere and themeing of Disney's Hollywood Studios (still want to say MGM Studios !)
So, Anthony, tell me, is this the most controversial topic you've seen so far on MagicForum and DLRP Today?
I dont think it looks that bad. Its ment to be a land for kids etc, so its bound to be colourful. Doesn't the Magic Kingdom park also have an area similar to this at the back?
And to be honest, I have to hand it to DLP, wether you guys on here like it or not, they have improved the Studio's so much and its popularity is growing on a daily basis.
It's looks pretty...umm...I'm lost for words now. :|
My only hope now is that no one from MagicForum or DLRP Today all commit mass suicide over this area. Guys, we're getting this wherever we like it or not (And yes I don't like myself).
But listen, enough with this argument. It's going to get us all nowhere if we continue like this. [-X
Quote from: "pussinboots"So, Anthony, tell me, is this the most controversial topic you've seen so far on MagicForum and DLRP Today?
Erm, yes. Although we weren't around back in 2002 to soak up that storm...
What's surprising is the unrelenting, universal, immediate criticism. Visit any
European Disney or theme park forum and it's getting a kicking. And don't even dare read the American ones. I suppose it's a kind of perfect storm of "Walt Disney Studios" (ugh), "Disneyland Paris" (inferior), "fairground rides" (yes) and "Toy Story" (irrational dislike of Pixar rides). It being thrown ungraciously into the back of a certain Asian park it was never designed for hasn't helped the street cred.
Quote from: "QTXAdsy"My only hope now is that no one from MagicForum or DLRP Today all commit mass suicide over this area.
Yep, that's all we've got left to cling onto now, the hope that no-one will commit suicide! Ah, c'est magique!
So to summarize this page, Toy Story Playland hasn't yet caused a single known suicide and it's colorful.
I'm actually genuinely surprised at the amount of positivity... I think that if Euro Disney can produce something like this and still get this much positive feedback, they should look at George Lucas and consider themselves very lucky.
QuoteReally? I don't think it's wise to be hoping for things like that to happen, no matter how much you dislike TSPL.
If nobody get's hurt, isn't that the best way to get rid of it? Maybe some cans of gas and a match will do, all this plastic will surely melt away quickly. :)
QuoteLook at those hideous speakers. I don't blame DLP for not having the huge billion dollar project of DCA, but I do blame it for not taking the same smart approach of trickling updates and improvements, the kind of general plussing (however small) that just came to a full stop at WDS several years ago.
I couldn't agree more, they could have whiped this uglyness off the planet piece by piece, without investing millions. I sometimes have the feeling no Imagineer visited this place in ages, there are so many small things that could be fixed on a shoestring budget that would make a world of a difference. But I suppose, that since you're not capable of marketing those kinds of investments, they just don't care about it.
I hoped Disney would return to it's former self, after they ousted Eisner back in 2006. For a short period, it even seemed to go into the right direction. But now, all we get is cheap Six Flags quality rides (the same point we were back in 2002), themed to the latest franchise. Their idea must be: if it doesn't sell the extra tickets we hoped, it can still deliver on advertizing value.
Disney theme parks aren't supposed to be that magical place anymore, where you get lost in time and space, they are rapidly becoming marketing outlets for Disney franchise. Just look at what they did to the "Blockbuster Cafe", that's the current state of affairs and the quality you can expect from any current projects I'm affraid.
The thing that scares me the most is that this same low quality is creeping into the Disneyland Park as well with every small addition. Look at what they did to the castle for example (yeah, I know it is reversible and temporary), nobody seems to care anymore as the company seems to be run by marketing execs trying to cut every corner for some cheap new marketing campaign.
We've all heard the rumours (by some Disney exec himself) that this new project costs about 70 million euros. If that's true, Walt Disney Corp., Euro Disney SCA and all other shareholders should really investigate what's going on here. For that same amount, you should be able to deliver a highly customized E-ticket attraction, not a bunch of carnival rides with some theming tacked on. I for sure know that they aren't paying Intamin anything close to those 70 million euros for the off-the-shelf rides they're getting.
It's a pity that "small" local parks like the Efteling in the Netherlands now seemingly deliver better themed and more immersive experiences than Disney does. One of their latest attractions (De Vliegende Hollander), although it definitly has some issues, has better theming and storytelling than most recent Disney projects (with the sole exception of ToT, but the concept behind that wasn't new and as we all know, we got the ToT Light version)... Only they deliver those kinds of attractions for about 20 million euros and not 120 million.
Something definitely has to change over at Paris, or I expect visitor numbers to slowly decline again. I always keep telling people that a Disney theme park is something more than your local funfair or amusement park. That it actually has some depth, an unprecedented level of detail and perfection and that everything has its own story.
For WDS, nothing of this is true. The sole exception being ToT, which is really the Twilight Zone in the whole park, as it really came there right out of the 4th dimension and doesn't really belong in there.
Yeah, I'm overdramatizing a bit, there are some things in WDS I actually do like a lot, but I think I made my point clear :).
QuoteI'm actually genuinely surprised at the amount of positivity... I think that if Euro Disney can produce something like this and still get this much positive feedback, they should look at George Lucas and consider themselves very lucky.
They already hired George to bring Jar Jar Binks and his colourful friends to Star Tours in 3D I'm affraid.
Meesah soo happy to seeing yousa. Yousa wanna podride on Tatooine? Pleesa put on yousa protection glasses!Aw... I sense a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Disney fans suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. ;)
I couldn't agree more with you John331. Disneyland is really becoming an outlet center for all the Disney franchises. So everything is based on Princesses and Pixar. There are no new original ideas anymore.
There are so many new attractions based on Pixar:
TSPL in DLRP and in HKDL
Toy Story Mania in TDS, in DHS and in DCA
Carsland in DCA
Quote from: "dagobert"There are so many new attractions based on Pixar:
TSPL in DLRP and in HKDL
Toy Story Mania in TDS, in DHS and in DCA
Carsland in DCA
I don't think that the Pixar-based attractions are that bad. I mean, the characters are great and so are the stories. But I definitely agree with you when you say that attractions with their own characters and stories (like Phantom Manor and Pirates of the Caribbean) won't often be designed by Imagineers these days.
But besides that, Imagineers at HDL are creating two new theme-areas who aren't based on any movie or anything: the Grizzly Trail and the Mystic Point. So it's still possible... :roll:
Quote from: "JelleP"I don't think that the Pixar-based attractions are that bad. I mean, the characters are great and so are the stories. But I definitely agree with you when you say that attractions with their own characters and stories (like Phantom Manor and Pirates of the Caribbean) won't often be designed by Imagineers these days.
But besides that, Imagineers at HDL are creating two new theme-areas who aren't based on any movie or anything: the Grizzly Trail and the Mystic Point. So it's still possible... :roll:
I also think that the Pixar attractions like Carsland or Toy Story Mania are good attractions from what I've seen. I'm also a big fan of Pixar movies, because they have great stories and characters, but it would be great to see new original attractions like PM or PotC. Nevertheless I'm excited about the Ratatouille ride, despite it is also based on a Pixar movie.
And you are right, it is still possible that WDI is imagineering original attractions like the new ones at HKDL, although they are based on existing attractions.
I've just looked through my WDW pictures and I took a look on Toontown in the MK. Besides Fantasyland it is the worst part of WDW's MK. I didn't like this land at all. So maybe this is even worse than TSPL, but at least the only ride there, the Barnstormer rollercoaster, which is also barely themed and just a "naked" steelcoaster, is not seen from everywhere.
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Three of the parachute cables have now appeared at Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop.
Also a photo in there of the view from Big Thunder.
I wonder at what wind speed the parachutes are forbidden to go up...
^Not much I'd say. I think they're pretty strict on Jumpin' Jellyfish in DCA.
According to Tim Delaney, the exact cost of Space Mountain back in 1995 was 89,700,000 dollars, which is 65,990,000 Euros.
So Toy Story Playland 15 years later is costing MORE than Space Mountain? WHAT?
Well , well , there is coming some shot in the area.... :) Its gonna look ugly but the rides look nice!
If TSPL really costs 70 Mio dollars or euros I don't understand how this could be approved by the shareholders when Euro Disney SCA could have get a great D or E ticket for nearly the same amount of money.
I still can't imagine that TSPL costs 70 Mio dollars.
Just for a excample:in Belgium they build a indoor themepark with 20 RIDES which has costs 20 million , so 3 parcs with 60 rides costs 60 million. - Plopa Indoor Hasselt
WE GET 3 RIDES FOR 70 MILLION!
I'm seriously doubting the news article which said the cost is 70 million.
I think they have vastly hyped-up the cost and the 70 million could take into account marketing, or even the cost of New Generation Festival as a whole.
Quote from: "Willow"I'm seriously doubting the news article which said the cost is 70 million.
I think they have vastly hyped-up the cost and the 70 million could take into account marketing, or even the cost of New Generation Festival as a whole.
Or the commercials 'fake' rcracer.
Quote from: "Willow"I'm seriously doubting the news article which said the cost is 70 million.
I think they have vastly hyped-up the cost and the 70 million could take into account marketing, or even the cost of New Generation Festival as a whole.
I think that you are right. I can imagine that the 70mio euros are for the whole festival including TSPL. It would have been better not to build TSPL and instead they should have used the money for stage shows like Tarzan or Lion King.
Quote from: "dagobert"Quote from: "Willow"I'm seriously doubting the news article which said the cost is 70 million.
I think they have vastly hyped-up the cost and the 70 million could take into account marketing, or even the cost of New Generation Festival as a whole.
I think that you are right. I can imagine that the 70mio euros are for the whole festival including TSPL. It would have been better not to build TSPL and instead they should have used the money for stage shows like Tarzan or Lion King.
Absolutely, or if they must spend the money on "New marketing experiences", how about an awesome Princess and the Frog quality show in a theatre, or Midway Mania. This is just tacky rubbish, designed to appeal to the people that visit parks and think that these sort of rides should be there (I cannot believe how many newbies I know that miss PotC, Phantom Manor, the Fantasyland Dark Rides and Star Tours because they did not realise they were attractions, they thought they were shops or restaurants :roll:
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Absolutely, or if they must spend the money on "New marketing experiences", how about an awesome Princess and the Frog quality show in a theatre, or Midway Mania. This is just tacky rubbish, designed to appeal to the people that visit parks and think that these sort of rides should be there (I cannot believe how many newbies I know that miss PotC, Phantom Manor, the Fantasyland Dark Rides and Star Tours because they did not realise they were attractions, they thought they were shops or restaurants :roll:
I can't believe how stupid some people are. Don't they prepare before they go for the first time to DLRP. Do they really think that the crowds in front of the Fantasyland dark rides are queuing for a shop or a restaurant?
I'm sure that Toy Story Mania could handle the same amount of people like all three TSPL rides together in one hour. And I don't think that it would have cost a lot more than the 70 mio.
Again, this topics returns to snobbery and insults. Not every thinks the same, some people like different things and neither you, nor I can cast judgement on whatever other people want to get out of a visit to Disneyland. It is a holiday, it is to enjoy and have fun with, whether as an adult, a child, with children, alone or as a fan. I used to like this forum as a way of learning about the parks, rumours and developments, but this is just becoming another internet moaning shop where like minded, but minority views can bolster each other into convincing themselves that their views are right and that the rest are idiots, stupid, newbies or ignorant.
Several people have made good points on this topic on all sides of the argument but now it is just going round in circles. Good concept/bad concept...good business/bad business...true Disney/or not.
The truth is I don't think anyone here knows, but perhaps we should all quickly go to Disneyland, relax and try to have some fun with those we love.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Again, this topics returns to snobbery and insults. Not every thinks the same, some people like different things and neither you, nor I can cast judgement on whatever other people want to get out of a visit to Disneyland. It is a holiday, it is to enjoy and have fun with, whether as an adult, a child, with children, alone or as a fan. I used to like this forum as a way of learning about the parks, rumours and developments, but this is just becoming another internet moaning shop where like minded, but minority views can bolster each other into convincing themselves that their views are right and that the rest are idiots, stupid, newbies or ignorant.
Several people have made good points on this topic on all sides of the argument but now it is just going round in circles. Good concept/bad concept...good business/bad business...true Disney/or not.
The truth is I don't think anyone here knows, but perhaps we should all quickly go to Disneyland, relax and try to have some fun with those we love.
Here here.
Well, no offense, but if you venture over to any forum dedicated to anything, you will find people who are a little deeper into things than your average person. That's how they got to the 2,358 posts that are on their name. It is a little bit silly to sign up for such a thing and expect to talk to other newbies in a newbie manner and for everyone to stay that way forever. And an odd ambition for that matter.
I understand your annoyance and your feeling of having taken the wrong turn and ended up in Crazy Whiny Fanland, but it is worth considering for a moment that the chances of finding a forum where people discuss their love for thinking Phantom Manor is a restaurant are slim to none.
You've walked into Switzerland and now you're telling the Swiss that you're dissatisfied to see all these Swiss people.
It doesn't make it OK to call people stupid or ignorant though, just because you dont agree. Even if it is a Fanland. Some people might think it rude.
Well then sam I am. Can we get out of this meta-discussion now?
Alright then you are. And you can get out of this meta discussion whenever you like.
Sigh,
Well Pussinboots, you may be right. I think my point was people are being rude and snobbish, if you think that I am complaining that the "swiss are swiss" then I guess you agree with me, although I can't actually speak for the Swiss, who may or may not like TSPL.
Not sure I understand your reference to PM being a restaurant, perhaps you should start a discussion about it. I think it would be a good idea. we could take food from the buffet while rolling around in the Doombuggies, dipping into skulls for dips..fantastic.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Again, this topics returns to snobbery and insults. Not every thinks the same, some people like different things and neither you, nor I can cast judgement on whatever other people want to get out of a visit to Disneyland. It is a holiday, it is to enjoy and have fun with, whether as an adult, a child, with children, alone or as a fan. I used to like this forum as a way of learning about the parks, rumours and developments, but this is just becoming another internet moaning shop where like minded, but minority views can bolster each other into convincing themselves that their views are right and that the rest are idiots, stupid, newbies or ignorant.
Several people have made good points on this topic on all sides of the argument but now it is just going round in circles. Good concept/bad concept...good business/bad business...true Disney/or not.
The truth is I don't think anyone here knows, but perhaps we should all quickly go to Disneyland, relax and try to have some fun with those we love.
I don't know if you are talking about my post calling people stupid for thinking that PM or the Fantasyland dark rides are shops or restaurants, but how would you call them? Maybe I have chosen the wrong word since English is a second language to me.
There are so many travel books about DLRP and I'm sure that many people who go there read them before visiting for the first time. At least I do this when visiting foreign countries and other travel destinations for the first time.
So for me it is stupid not informing about the place I'm going to visit. At first I get some background and locals don't call me ignorant, because I know some things about their place. If people prepare before they go to DLRP they would know that PM is one of the best dark rides ever created and not a restaurant.
As for TSPL everybody should have his own opinion. I don't like it, because IN MY OPINION the rides look cheap, but if someone else likes them it's fine. And I don't want to convince anybody that TSPL is a bad addition.
As I said in a few posts earlier, I expect TSPL to be like Dinoland USA at DAK in WDW. And I didn't like this place at all when I have been there.
PS: I like the idea about having a restaurant themed like PM.
Fair point and well made Dagobert.
Generally, in English, referring to someone as stupid would be considered an insult but it sounds like you didn't intend it to be that way.
Re. opinions on TSPL, all opinions must be valid, I'm just asking that we try to respect all the different people who go to Disney parks. It doesn't matter how strongly anyone feels about something, they can still offer respect for those who are different. I'm not aiming that at anyone before the rush of replies, its just my observation on how this topic keeps veering away from TSPL to other issues.
Meanwhile, lets get PM restaurant off the ground, I'm going to start a thread, lets get the ideas going. think of all that creativity and love for Disney people have, we'll have a concept together in no time.
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Update of 6 march 2010 (in as. with Dlrpfans.be)
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Won't you be able to see loads of backstage areas like the back of the Toon Town photolocation from up there? How's that going to be solved?
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Won't you be able to see loads of backstage areas like the back of the Toon Town photolocation from up there? How's that going to be solved?
Oooh, I know the answer to that one!! ..... It probably won't be solved at all and just left how it is.....
Ok. As we're seriously now thinking either Halloween or Christmas for our next trip I was trying to show DD Elizabeth Swan,-now 15 will be 16 next visit) what is new since our last visit (And thats quite a bit-Tot was being built last time we went!)
Please remember this was just chat between Mum and daughter whilst showing her info on here last night. We dont understand everything about Disney like you guys do, and we love everything about Disney-we've only been 4 times,so please bear with....I am new back and she was never very active.
I hope I'm not opening a rotten can of worms here.
I am sure I remember seeing concept art of how they imagineers wanted TSP to look when completed. Now I have tried to read through the whole thread-so I was able to show Steph how its all been coming along, but cant find the concept art.... did I imagine it?
Her opinion was the orange of the half pipe is a bit harsh on the eyes, but she can see where the imagineers are coming from-RC as a Hot wheels car-what other colour could they have done it?-Although I know many of you would have preferred it hadnt been done at all. Dont think we'll be riding it! I cant ride the little one at Legoland
Parachute Drop-Nice-looks like its gonna be fun-again, what other colour could they do it?
Slinky dog-Cool!
Overall. More rides! More people wanting to come to Disney...... Any idea on theming yet? I tried to explain to Steph about trees that look like long grass (from what I remember of concept art) but I might be wrong....
Now we havent been since Hollywood Boulevard opened so we always felt Studios was lacking in themeing-a bit ..... disjointed..... Did Hollywood Boulevard and Tot make such an impact?
Sorry for being such a newbie and not getting it. :roll: :D
here you go tubbsy
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ps i quite like the concept art, but shhhh dont tell anyone
Thanks Smurfy-I wont tell :wink: ..... I like it too! :-#
he he, now where's that can? aah yes, I think it was marked 'not everyone furious about TSPL'. If you listen carefully you can hear the teeth grinding.
Quote from: "tubbsy"Did Hollywood Boulevard and Tot make such an impact?
Tubbsy, I think you will be very pleasantly surprised. Hollywood Bvd and ToT has had a huge positive impact (as has Stitch Live, and for the little ones, Playhouse Disney Live). I think that is what has made this even harder to swallow. There was a hge glimmer of hope that WDSP was moving in the right direction, until this could be built anywhere carnival stuff came along.
But don't apologize, I have to realise Disney sold it's soul, is no longer the quality company many have adored for a lifetime, and the masses eat this stuff up. So just as I hate soap operas, reality tv, and football, so too, modern Disney is close to joining the list, and I am close to wanting to spend our next vacation in May enjoying our villa and non Disney experiences except on my daughter's birthday.
See, now I felt like this when Studios originally opened. I thought what a shame, all that money and this is what we get. June 2002 we were in there 2 hours max-last time it was a whole day and we went back and repeated things over following days-even without the ToT and new theming. Oh and when they kept producing the 2 series of DVDs-Little Mermaid 2, Jungle Book 2. I thought its not the Disney I know, but they came round again. So fingers crossed they'll win you back somehow :)
Ah well.
dopeydad I agree with everything you have said in this topic which annoys me more and more every day, I used to come on this forum often but this thread just makes me stay away. Elitist fans looking down their noses at 'noobs' who dont understand the disney magic, give me a break. This place used to quite nice and pleasant and everyone tried to keep it that way, now its just gone the way of every other forum with pointless arguments and 1000000 post elitists, yer thats you davewasbaloo.
happy thoughts happy thoughts - im all packed ( sort of ) ready for tomorrow. Im looking forward to see how far TSPL has come along since my last visit in November.
Quote from: "giorgio1712"dopeydad I agree with everything you have said in this topic which annoys me more and more every day, I used to come on this forum often but this thread just makes me stay away. Elitist fans looking down their noses at 'noobs' who dont understand the disney magic, give me a break. This place used to quite nice and pleasant and everyone tried to keep it that way, now its just gone the way of every other forum with pointless arguments and 1000000 post elitists, yer thats you davewasbaloo.
Couldn't agree more. Had enough of all this nonsense my self and it seems that this forum is no longer a happy ship, it's now explosive time bombs waiting to go off at the sight of a new TSPL picture. Shame it has to come to this. :-({|=
Maybe if everyone just discussed Toy Story Playland itself and not the discussion of it, then this could be quite an interesting topic. Although I notice my question about the Parachute Drop looking into backstage got precisely 1 reply before this all began again, so I don't blame anyone for not trying.
For those who care, I've posted this on the WDSfans twitter 2 days ago:
QuoteEach Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop ride vehicle will feature 2 rows (back to back), unlike Jumpin' Jellyfish at DCA and TDS.
I got told that's why there's only one Tower instead of 2. They doubled the capacity of one tower. Same thing happened with RC Racer, Imagineers increased the number of guests in one RC, instead of having 2 tracks.
Now let's keep Anthony's words in mind when continuing this discussion.
QuoteWon't you be able to see loads of backstage areas like the back of the Toon Town photolocation from up there? How's that going to be solved?
I was thinking the same questions, the location seems to be quite unfortunate... The backstage area of the photolocation might be somewhat hidden behind the costuming building, but you will get a nice view off the rooftops of all those buildings around there and probably also a glympse out of the park and maybe even some backstage areas of the Disneyland park like the Phantom Manor showbuilding.
What could you do to solve that? Only some big trees would do it, if they still have the place for them. But hey, wasn't the concept of the park "Behind the magic?", so it's easily solved then, isn't it? :)
Quote from: "johnd331"QuoteWon't you be able to see loads of backstage areas like the back of the Toon Town photolocation from up there? How's that going to be solved?
What could you do to solve that? Only some big trees would do it, if they still have the place for them. But hey, wasn't the concept of the park "Behind the magic?", so it's easily solved then, isn't it? :)
:lol: You might even find me riding it so I can have a sneak peak! And it would be a sneak peak as I quickly open my eyes to a squint to look!
Kristoff-sorry I'm being a bit simple here. If riders are going to be sat back to back does it mean people end up looking at the pole or will the seats be at an angle/90' to it?
Yay back on topic good times!
Disney/Intamin have done a great job getting a similar capacity from one tower instead of two. It might even have a greater capacity than the previous Disney incarnations of these rides. (e.g. Jumpin' Jellyfish and the Tokyo version)
Quote from: "johnd331"QuoteWon't you be able to see loads of backstage areas like the back of the Toon Town photolocation from up there? How's that going to be solved?
I was thinking the same questions, the location seems to be quite unfortunate... The backstage area of the photolocation might be somewhat hidden behind the costuming building, but you will get a nice view off the rooftops of all those buildings around there and probably also a glympse out of the park and maybe even some backstage areas of the Disneyland park like the Phantom Manor showbuilding.
What could you do to solve that? Only some big trees would do it, if they still have the place for them. But hey, wasn't the concept of the park "Behind the magic?", so it's easily solved then, isn't it? :)
Is the parachute tower really that high that you can see the PM show building? I can imagine to see the back of the toon town/studios facade, but PM?
Hopefully they will add some large trees to the berm around DLP so that you can't see so much of Frontierland when riding the RC Racer or the Parachute tower.
QuoteKristoff-sorry I'm being a bit simple here. If riders are going to be sat back to back does it mean people end up looking at the pole or will the seats be at an angle/90' to it?
I did a quick sketch to illustrate how the seats will be placed. Hope this is clear enough:
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Very good Kristof! I'm glad that none of the guests will be facing the central pole.
Wow! thats really good! Quick sketch??? It'd take me... well, actually I'd get the teenager to do it cos I wouldnt have a clue where to start! :lol: Thanks Kristoff, that makes perfect sense. :D
I wonder to what extent the height of guests riding as well as height of the attractions have been taken into account. Remember this? http://www.dlrptoday.com/2008/06/12/too ... ke-flight/ (http://www.dlrptoday.com/2008/06/12/toon-studio-expansion-rumours-take-flight/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Taken at the time to be about Ratatouille this must be about TSPL right? This bit "The balloon (yes, they used just one, but they moved it around at different locations) was pretty high, mm maybe as high as Crush's Coaster main building. Seems pretty tall for a dark ride, but yet again, we don't know what is planned there." Maybe this means the impact of each rides height has been considered from the start. Add the surprisingly large budget for this project and I wonder if there aren't a few surprises left to come.
Could the project include extended fascia along Hollywood Boulevard and dealing with the visible tops of attraction buildings?
There's talk on the Disney Central Plaza forums at the minute saying that the opening of Toy Story Playland may have been pushed back from late Summer to the end of September/early October! Anyone know more about this? I hope this isn't true, it's already bad enough that it'll open as late as the end of Summer without adding another couple of months onto it :roll:
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Anyway, I've been thinking about this for a while now, but I was wondering if anyone knows what the interior queue lines for the three new attractions will look like. I'm not expecting much for Slinky (it only has a small indoor section, which appears similar to that of Orbitron), but what about the Toy Soldiers and RC Racer rides, both of which have fairly substantial indoor lines (RC in particular).
I've seen concept art of the Parachute queue line. It's themed as the base camp of the soldiers with human-size soldier figures looking over plans and there's also a large toy jeep in there. (Well at least on the concept art).
The outdoor queue of RC Racer is themed as a toy race track, don't know about the interior.
QuoteIs the parachute tower really that high that you can see the PM show building? I can imagine to see the back of the toon town/studios facade, but PM?
Well, I could clearly see the tower from BTM (and there are even some photos of other people clearly seeing it from there). So if you can see the parachute tower from BTM, wouldn't it make sense you can see BTM (and thus many things in between, from the "wrong side") from the parachute tower? :).
You are right, johnd331. We have also seen TSPL from BTM, but I thought that BTM is higher than the parachute tower so you will have a better view than from the tower.
I suppose your eye line when riding Parachute Drop won't ever be as high as the tower itself, and even then will only reach its full height every so often as you bounce up and down. You might see the peak of Big Thunder but not the lift hill. (Btw, remember when Big Thunder could be seen from Animation Courtyard before Crush was built?!)
Looking at an aerial view though, this'll surely offer a view straight behind the Toon Town facade to that backstage corridor... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=disneyl ... 8&t=h&z=19 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=disneyland+paris&ie=UTF8&hl=en&hq=Disneyland+Paris&hnear=Disneyland+Paris,+Coupvray,+France&ll=48.867278,2.777363&spn=0.001389,0.003468&t=h&z=19%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
As someone said earlier, maybe they just don't care if we see air conditioning ducts in WDS?
They just seem to be giving up with quality control in WDS. At least Disneyland Park has had a high quality from the beginning to maintain. They seem to think any old addition to Walt Disney Studios must make it better...
This discussion about the quality can keep going on and on without saying anything new that's to the point of the Toy Story Playland construction and its attractions.
I understand this is a sensitive topic, so I suggest a new topic can/should be opened about Walt Disney Studios Park (or Disneyland Paris in general) and the direction it's going in.
Thanks :wink:
Maybe there should be a thread in which people post news and another in which people give their thoughts about it. Sigh.
Sure, that's what I was referring to...
Back to Toy Story Playland.
Well, I'm sorry, but that's kind of what it boils down to, isn't it? Besides, if you open up a thread about "the direction the Studios are going in" it would at this moment in time be about Toy Story Playland anyway. Because that's the direction it's going in.
Yeah, now back to Toy Story Playland. :-)
Maby I will check april the 10th
getting back onto the topic now....
WDSFans have today reported on Twitter "Euro Disney CEO Philippe Gas confirms at shareholders meeting Toy Story Playland will open late august."
Just had a nice update of whats going on with this project :)
Im excited to see how this area turns out. After all its another addition to the studios which is always a plus.
I really like how WDSfans added the model onto DLP Google earth, it looks like its going to be a great area. Expecially with all the plantation and RC racer looks very themed at the end !
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I think the levels of vegetation could be pretty important.
If the number of vegetation is the same as the model it should look pretty good and once you are inside TSPL you should feel detatched from the rest of WDS.
I hope that budgets do not dictate the vegetation levels and the amount of trees/plants get cut, it would be a real shame.
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That really puts it into perspective. It looks as though there will be no entrance/exit on the Hollywood Boulevard side? I can't decide whether that's a missed opportunity (both logistically and considering the long wall of shrubbery that will now exist in the middle of the park) or a sensible attempt at keeping the two themed lands as separate as possible. Hmm.
If they're going to plant all this up in the middle of the summer then they will need to be out with the hose pipes all night or it will start to look very brown very quickly.
DisneyCentralPlaza have just posted some AMAZING new shots of TSPL in development!
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I've linked a few here...
Giant Buzz
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Giant Prop-tastic Theming!!
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Toy Soldiers queue line - and who said this wouldn't have any theming or imagineering?
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RC Racer carrying TWENTY passengers!
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RC "Scalextric" style queue line!
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I have to admit that I like Buzz. I want this figure in my garden in front of my house!!
wow liove it!!!
I want Buzz for my house !!!!
RC Racer car sure looks good lucky people getting to try it out!
I love the look of the RC Racer queue, very cool! Also I love the concept art of the Toy Soldier's bunker, it'll be cool to have life-size models of them planning their military operations haha!
You can find them all in the AGM presentation PDF: http://corporate.disneylandparis.com/CO ... tation.pdf (http://corporate.disneylandparis.com/CORP/EN/Neutral/Images/uk-2010-agm-presentation.pdf%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Looks like Tom Fitzgerald was speaking there. Finally Euro Disney's silence on TSPL is broken!
downloading now sure is big file!
Some great photos - I'm still against TSPL, but I have to admit that it seems like some of the queue-areas might have a bit of WDI quality (thank god!).
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Looks like Tom Fitzgerald was speaking there. Finally Euro Disney's silence on TSPL is broken!
Interesting read indeed - nice that Euro Disney is now talking about TSPL too - that was a looong wait :)
I also think that the queue areas of the rides look quiet good and I'm sure that TSPL would turn out great when they didn't have chosen off the shelf rides. I'm fine with Slinky Dog, it looks okay, but I'm still against the Parachute Tower.
RC Racer looks better in the concept art than in real life, but the queue area looks fine.
Quote from: "dagobert"I also think that the queue areas of the rides look quiet good and I'm sure that TSPL would turn out great when they didn't have chosen off the shelf rides. I'm fine with Slinky Dog, it looks okay, but I'm still against the Parachute Tower.
RC Racer looks better in the concept art than in real life, but the queue area looks fine.
Couldn't have said it any better myself!
I keep thinking what this could have been had they chosen some unique and/or hugely modified rides which couldn't be found just around the corner. And that was my last post regarding carnival rides and stuff :oops:
Quote from: "forza_united"Quote from: "dagobert"I also think that the queue areas of the rides look quiet good and I'm sure that TSPL would turn out great when they didn't have chosen off the shelf rides. I'm fine with Slinky Dog, it looks okay, but I'm still against the Parachute Tower.
RC Racer looks better in the concept art than in real life, but the queue area looks fine.
Couldn't have said it any better myself!
I keep thinking what this could have been had they chosen some unique and/or hugely modified rides which couldn't be found just around the corner. And that was my last post regarding carnival rides and stuff :oops:
And mine as well!!
Impressive photos.
I'm actually starting to look forward for this...
I exported some slightly higher resolution photos from the Combined General Meeting 2010 PDF. Open them in a new tab to see the full-size versions:
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I love the last picture. The Studio entrance and Front Lot is really beautiful. Now they just have to remove the billboard.
Wonder where the giant Buzz is going? He's not on the concept art?
Its starting to look a bit better now, though I always was looking forward to it. But these pics have made me that little bit more excited!
Hi Martyn
Buzz actuly is on the Concept art seen here: http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/n ... ighres.jpg (http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/tspl_concept_highres.jpg%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
I think we all need to stop worrying about Toy Story Playland. These new photos prove that Disney are executing this project at a very high level. I mean John Lasseter himself is involved!
The theming and attention to detail is going to be top quality, and that quality is what's going to MAKE this project. It's not going to be a weird French interpretation of Toy Story. It's going to be the real deal, direct from Pixar. It's probably costing so much because of the thousands of custom-made props they're building. I mean, look at all those green army men they've built. It can't be cheap to manufacture so many items at such a high quality. I wonder if they're CNC milling them straight from the original computer models?
And the RC Racer ride vehicle looks like a lot of fun. It's clearly designed for adults to ride; 16 people all in one massive remote controlled car.
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I think after seeing the recent released pic's from DLR it makes Toystory Playland look alot better than we first thought it to be :) and to be honest I am quite impressed so far
Has this been posted yet?
"Thank you Philippe. Well, I'm very excited to tell you a little bit about how our Imagineers designed and are creating Toy Story Playland for you. Like all our attractions, we start with the story. And in this case, our story centers around the toys of Toy Story I and II.
As fans of the films, I'm sure you know that these toys all belong to a young boy named Andy. And when Andy's away, the Toys come to life magically to interact with one another.
So, we thought "what if Andy had set up his toys in the grass behind his house?" And what if we could shrink down to the size of a toy and meet and play with these toys? That's the idea behind Toy Story Playland. We're inviting our guests to become the size of toys and to join in the fun. This rendering was one of our first steps in envisioning what this new land could look and feel like at Walt Disney Studios.
Next, we built an intricate scale model to help us understand the size, the placement and the look of the experiences within the land.
As you can see from this image of the model, everything in Toy Story Playland is giant sized – especially the Buzz Lightyear figure that greets guests at the entrance to the land.
From the scale model, our Imagineers begin to sculpt the real-life giant sized pieces that will make up the Buzz figure.
Here you can see the scale of the Buzz Lightyear figure, with his original creator, Director John Lasseter.
And then we meticulously build each piece of the toy – matching color and designs exactly to the original from the film. There's only one giant Buzz Lightyear toy in the world like this one! It's truly one of a kind!
Within the land are three ride experiences for kids of all ages. The first is the "Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop," based on the green army figures from the Toy Story films.
Our designers envisioned a fun parachute drop experience, where guests will be lifted 25 meters into the air, and then drop and raise up again several times.
In this early sketch, you can see how our designers interpret the classic toys and icons from the film and envision them scaled up to giant size. Here is the "baby monitor" featured in the film.
And now the finished prop in production.
Even the queues for the attractions will be highly themed. Here, guests see Andy's army toys staged in scenes along the queue.
And here is our production team posing with the full-size toy soldiers for our show.
Another character that seemed a natural for our Playland was Slinky Dog or as he's known here in France, Zigzag!
We thought Slinky chasing his tail would make a wonderfully charming ride experience.
In the scale model you can see not only the ride, but the Slinky Dog toy box that becomes the covered queue for guests.
John Lasseter actually worked with the team to locate the eyes for the character to make sure they were perfectly placed and scaled.
Our third, and most thrilling ride in Toy Story Playland is based on a very energetic Toy Story character, R.C., the remote-controlled race car!
RC will be racing on a gigantic, classic Hot Wheels race track, just like the one seen in the movie. Only this time, guests will be riding 25 meters up and back in the air!
Here you see the design team sitting in an early mock-up of the custom RC ride vehicle, which will hold 16 guests at a time.
We're also creating a number of beautiful photo locations, where guests can pose with the classic Toy Story characters. In fact, everything we are designing will be a photo opportunity, because everything in the land will be a toy come to life in a scale you've never seen before!
Even the queue of RC Racer is designed after a classic slot-car racetrack! And all of the landscaping and signage and lights – everything in fact – will be scaled to fit with our toy-scale land and/or be designed to look like a toy.
Which means that when Toy Story Playland opens in August of this year, you can finally step into the magical world of the Toy Story and experience a whole new dimension of play with your favorite Toy Story characters...to infinity and beyond as Buzz would say! We hope to see you all there later this summer. Thank you!"
Those pictures do look good. But wouldn´t it be more fun to ride a car on a track in ride based on the test track or just any track? ...a car on a halfpipe going back and forth... I know there are toys out there that do this but still... meh...
Even if the new rides turn out to be great the new land does not have anything major never seen before. Isn´t that what EVERYBODY would prefer? This is something that people wont travel for hours to just to see.
I wonder if people will feel cheap after having been on theese... rides...
They are painting rocks with gold color and calling it a treasure. Oh well...
thats great no heavnt read that before very intresting read :)
Very interesting...
I kinda start to like TSPL! It looks so beautiful and highly themed, can't wait to see how it's finally going to turn out :D
QuoteI think we all need to stop worrying about Toy Story Playland. These new photos prove that Disney are executing this project at a very high level. I mean John Lasseter himself is involved!
Oh yes! Disney did it. They did a huge campaign for their shareholders and you all got blinded. Yes, these pictures look nice. But hey - its a Buzz. Just a huge Buzz. Nothing more. One building beside we have a big shark. And one park beside we have a big Xwing, a big dragon, a big octopus.... With these pictures they just tried to fool away the real problem. They still built three carnival rides. And yes, they do some themeing. But thats their job!!! Its a DisneyPark!!! They should! But beside all this not-exceptional themeing there are still three rides that a TokyoDisneyLand never would built. Because its not worth for a DisneyPark. Its no ride, for that people will drive hundrets of miles to see it. TSPL is still a milestone in the backwards step of Disney Quality. Plastic Soldiers in a queue line yes or no. Its still a cheap ride and another proof for waste of money!
I like that picture of Buzz in model form — that bamboo forest looks like something to explore. Which is a rare treat at the Studios, as we all know. Finally a little intimacy.
I'm also quite relieved to see it's genuine Pixar, American-style Christmas lights and all. It's a huge pile of glittering fluff built around a puff of air*, but at least it looks like it might be some nice fluff.
*That's the second metaphor I came up with, for the record. The first one wasn't as nice.
The first of the oversized-toy decorations: (from Disneygazette.fr)
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Very similar (probably identical) to the oversized Tinkertoy parts in the Toy Story Mania queue over at Disney's Hollywood Studios:
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Looks cool! Finally they start to theme the attractions (I've been waiting for this a long time ;))
Hehe thanks guys 4 the help=) much appriciated=D
QuoteBut beside all this not-exceptional themeing there are still three rides that a TokyoDisneyLand never would built. Because its not worth for a DisneyPark
Didn´t anyone told you that tokyo disney also have build carnival rides like this? if not look out for
the little mermaid land at disney sea here you will find it...
oh yea and befor i forget it look what they will built at the arabian coast!!
QuoteJasmine's Flying Carpets
Tokyo DisneySea New Attraction
Themed to the Disney film Aladdin, Jasmine's Flying Carpets is a ride attraction where guests can soar over Jasmine's garden on a flying carpet. Guests will be able to maneuver their vehicle up and down to a height of 5 meters, and tilt the vehicle forward and backward, as if flying their own magical carpet. This uplifting ride can be enjoyed by all, from young children to adults. Guests can also watch their friends and family on their flying carpet from an elevated viewing deck.
Opening date (tentative): Summer 2011
Location: Arabian Coast
(next to Sindbad's Storybook Voyage)
Seating: 4 persons (2 persons in 2 rows) per vehicle
with a total of 16 vehicles
Total capital invested: Approximately 2 billion yen
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This has been one of my points, Disney have always built carnival (for lack of a better word ) style rides in their parks. They built them in the 1950's and they're still building them today. I think TSPL is starting to look very promising judging from pictures shown. It's the themeing of TSPL that will make it stand out from other theme parks. When it comes to imagineering and theme park design I still think Disney is the best. I thought they would come up with something very good with John Lasseter involved, if his success at Pixar is anything to go by.
Is it policy for DLRP to not give away much in the way of theming, details of rides etc. It stikes me that a lot of fuming about Disney losing their way/capacity problems/poor theming etc, might have been avoided if more of the concept materials or publicity and information in general were given. Or would this diminish later publicity in some way?
Or, maybe they enjoy poking the Internet community of course :)
I think DLP release details of themeing and rides when they're good and ready, for all sorts of reasons no doubt. I don't think they set out to poke the internet community. But I do think the internet community might be too quick to pass judgment on something, and say it's not Disney quality, especially if they have a low opinion of EuroDisney, which I do not.
When you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig. The theming around the place will be a nice difference (like in Bugs land in DCA), but it still will not solve the capacity issues nor the fact these are still carni rides.
Yes, I will admit, I am a little happier now I have seen these shots, but the attractions themselves will still have monster waits, the will be horrible in the winter, and they can be experienced anywhere. What's the betting that if they are not installed in the begining, there will be barriers stopping people interacting with the props, like they did with Race Rally. Also, I have to laugh that I am probably one of the few DLP regulars that ever played with a slinky dog, lincoln logs, and tinker toys.
So in short, yes, I am midly surprised with the theming, but still mad this is the direction they have gone in. I am somewhat relieved John and WDI are making this happen, but Disney's batting average for attractions designed in this millenia is really poor.
Aren't Disney allowed to build any Carni style rides in the future then, other than Flying Carpets or Flying Elephants and the usual Carousal? I'm not argueing for them, but Disney has always used carni style rides in their theme parks. At least the rides in TSPL will be different for DLP. Disney have always had smaller rides a long side their bigger rides like TOT and Rock n Roller coaster.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Aren't Disney allowed to build any Carni style rides in the future than, other than Flying Carpets or Flying Elephants and the usual Carousel?
Wish they hadn't been built either. Big difference is most of the stupid carni stuff had great attractions, restaurants and shops around them. Here the focus is on the carni stuff.
Not everything has to be an e-ticket, no. And even though I am not a fan of TSMM, that would still be preferrable.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"Didn´t anyone told you that tokyo disney also have build carnival rides like this?
I knew but maybe choose the wrong words!
This one dumbo style - ride at Tokyo is no comparison to a complete theme-area where steel grows in the the air everywhere. Some probs more or less won´t chance this!!!! Its a shame for a Disney - Theme - Park
went with my mum this week and she said she loved the studios but really wanted a nice place to sit and have a cup of coffee and cake ( she went to the cable car and liked it in there ) and she was surprised that they werent building any eateries in the new land
It would make sense that, if the Ratatouille ride comes with an attached restaurant, then that restaurant's kitchen will also be shared by another new restaurant/cafe that will take over the rest of the Costuming Building.
And if that's the case, it would be logical if this second restaurant was themed to either Toy Story or Cars. For example, if it had a Toy Story theme then Pizza Planet would be an obvious choice. And if it had a Cars theme, an updated version of the Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater would be an obvious choice.
That sounds OK to me. As the park grows and people stay longer in the Studios hopefully Disney will need to build another restaurant and more shops in the future. I'm not sure that now is the time though. There are all those restaurants just around the corner in Disney Village.
Quote from: "ed-uk"I'm not sure that now is the time though. There are all those restaurants just around the corner in Disney Village.
Yes! And don´t forget all those restaurants we have around the corner in Paris! :-s
Paris is a bit further out though, like 40 minutes away by metro. I was talking about Disney Village which is just 5 minutes walk away from WDS to find a restaurant, which might be more convenient than Paris. Or there are restaurants in the Studios.
Maybe SkySurfer was being sarcastic... Ideally you don't want people having to leave your theme park just to get something to eat, you ply them with all kinds of food at every turn and make as much money as possible.
It's a shame the tram tour route couldn't have been pushed a bit further back at the far end of the land and something around the size of Last Chance Cafe put into the back, between RC Racer and the blue monkey barrel tunnel. (A Brown Derby of the Toy Story world with seating underneath a giant Mr Potato Head hat please)
You don't have to leave the theme park to get something to eat. There's Studio 1, Restaurant of the Stars and BlockBuster Cafe. But I'm not against another restaurant in the park, a Brown Derby would be very nice. I just ment WDS is still a small park, half the size of Disneyland, and with more restaurants in Disney Village so close. But as WDS grows and more people come and stay longer in the park more restaurants and shops will be needed, I'm sure.
Quote from: "Anthony"Maybe SkySurfer was being sarcastic...
Yes, I was. Thank you Anthony :mrgreen:
Quote from: "ed-uk"You don't have to leave the theme park to get something to eat.
So I guess, you have never been inside the park, when it was really crowded. Otherwise you wouldn´t argue like this.
when we go to WDS we always eat in Restaurant of the Stars which works out fine for us busy or not. We usually eat early or late to avoid the queues. Last year we found we could book a table. And last summer Restaurant of the Stars was closing at 4pm if I remember right, I did question the wisdom of that, the park was busy and people were being turned away at the entrance. It was only open for lunch. They could have the restaurant open longer and avoid building another one. Cafe des Cascadeurs used to be good, but how often is that open now? If the park closes at 6pm or 7pm people will go on to Disneyland Park, or Disney Village to eat or at their hotel. In the summer we often find Block Buster Cafe closed or half empty. People seem to prefer crowding into Studio 1. I'm not arqueing against having another restaurant in the Studios, as I have said, as the park gets more popular and stays open longer in the evening, I'm sure they will need another restaurant. At the moment I have to ask myself does TSPL really need a restaurant, even a small one. Until it does we could try all those restaurants we have round the corner in Calais.
Dlp.info pointed me in the direction of Themeparkreview
http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/vi ... p?p=870485 (http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=870485%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
It shows pictures of Buzz, some props and the soldiers.
I am quite looking forward to seeing this land!
In case you haven't seen it, Disney and More (//http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2010/03/making-of-wds-toy-story-playland.html) have a nice little article on TSPL (though all the pictures have already been posted here)
I have to say, I'm really looking forward to seeing this finished, particularly those toy soldiers!!
Let´s never again compare DisneySEA to Walt Disney Studios Park... they are worlds apart. It´s like comparing good and bad.
A couple of things to say here...
1. The concept art is looking good - it even answered my question on the queues that I posted the other day. I don't even mind the Buzz figure as much now; at first I would have prefered the Woody figure going to Hong Kong (we already have a Buzz in Discoveryland), but Buzz looks pretty impressive in these shots though. It seems that everything is shaping up to make an emmersive little area for the Studios :)
2. After my trip on Friday (not to the Studios, only to the Disneyland Park), I kept an eye on the area to see how much of an impact it had. Yes, I could see it from infront of the Studios/Disney Village, but to be honest, it's quite a nice filler between Studios 1 and 3. The only other time I saw the Toy Soldiers and RC were when I was at the top of BTMs second lift hill - I could not see it anywhere else in the park at all!
3. Here's a construction updat from Disneytheque - isn't it growing fast!? :wink:
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Oh look at all that colour. Despite being someone who listens to the Soarin' soundtrack on an almost daily basis and dreams of a Hollywood Boulevard longer than my front driveway, I can admit that Toy Story Playland is just what the park needs: Fun. Well, that and a dark ride - and hey, we're getting both.
I wonder when the fake track will be added to the orange slats on RC Racer?
These latest pictures really fill me with hope for this expansion. It looks like quality theming. So comparing apples with apples, this themng should upgrade an off the shelf ride to a Disney attraction. Before I get shot down for that last point, let me clarify, I mean a c maybe d ticket attraction... But if it s done correctly, the area will actually continue with the increased theming that started with crush and race car rally, then on with ToT.
Anthony made reference to us "getting a dark ride" has this been confirmed for the studios yet?
One final thing that did make me smile, I was looking at a few American sites, namely Theme Park Review, and on their forum, the majority consensus was asking why the US parks couldn't have this area, and that they would like it!! Their first introduction to it was these photos and the presence of John Lassiter, and their take was the opposite to the majority of people on here.
Totaly accept what has been said to date, totaly accept these are carnival rides with low capacity (which will be frustrating), but do you think maybe we all jumped up and down too soon??
My only other thought is that these types of attractions always look better in the sun... Weather in Paris will not be kind to these attractions...They are all kind of exposed, and I dont know about you, but for me that hinders the fully immersive feeling!
Although I was always against this project, I have to admit that it looks really better than expected. At least some parts look already better than Chester and Hester's Dinorama in DAK at WDW. Nevertheless I still have issues with it, mainly with the ride capacity.
i have only just come back and honestly these rides arent visable from nearly all angles. the only place i could see them was once i got down by tot area at the corner of the boulavarde. at least those who dont like them can just pretend they arent there and those who like it will have a well themed area to enjoy
That shot does actually looks quite impressive. It could do with perhaps being more subtle, but Anthony's right... fun, smiles and exploration are needed in this park. It's winning me over and nobody's more shocked about that than I am!
I don't know if you've already wacthed it but here is a video from the shareholders meeting with Imagineer Tom Fitzgerald introducing Toy Story Playland:
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Interesting video. I have to admit that TSPL gets better, but I'm still worried about the ride capacity.
Is Tom Fitzgerald responsible for both TSPL? Did he already design something for DLRP? Does someone know what he has already created for WDI?
Looks great! Lets get back soon :D!
Here are my latest Contruction Pics from my trip ending today.
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Good view of the Parachute Seating from here...
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The colour 'green' in WDS. Tell the world. Yay :) Looking good
Quote from: "Magic M"Here are my latest Contruction Pics from my trip ending today.
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Good view of the Parachute Seating from here...
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Wow it still looks really bad! How sad.
If I had shares in that park I´d be furious.
I think it's comming together fast next 2 months :-)
I still won't say if I like it or not, will wait until it's (almost) finished.
I don't think you can me furious or mad at the imagineers before it has opened. Only by then you can see what it will look like! :)
Kenny
Getting more and more exited about this, although I can't see it finished yet... :roll:
Wow , it really is gonna look better and better!
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Wow it still looks really bad! How sad.
If I had shares in that park I´d be furious.
Not really, it looks like something that around 80%+ people will enjoy, a self contained pocket of colour and fun in the oh so dull world of the Studios Park, livened only by places like TSPL, Hollywood Boulevard and Toon Studios
Anyway, I hope for the company's sake they get this open early
Most persons would enjoy heroine for a moment if they tried it... but it doesn´t make it a good thing.
Besides... if these new rides are as great as alot of you guys say... we will all see visitor numbers for WDS soar.
Ahm sorry, isn't it a bit to exaggerated to compare TSP with heroine :shock: :?
Quote from: "Reiana"Ahm sorry, isn't it a bit to exaggerated to compare TSP with heroine :shock: :?
Ya, I can understand the appeal of heroine. :mrgreen:
Quote from: "dagobert"Is Tom Fitzgerald responsible for both TSPL? Did he already design something for DLRP? Does someone know what he has already created for WDI?
In my limited experience, Tom is a nice guy, but most of his work has been film based and the results of how well they have been received has been mixed. He was VP for Story, Script and Media for a while. Some examples of his work have included:
Golden Dreams (He was the writer, and I loved it, but I am in a minority - now history)
Seasons of the Vina (again, I thought this was a delightful attraction, now also history)
Soarin' over California (Ok, a real treasure)
It's Tough to be a Bug (really fun 3D film, perhaps Disney's best)
Ellen's Energy Adventure (so so)
HISTA (ok, not great)
Star Tours (I love this one - he wrote and produced with Tony Baxter)
But you will notice a theme.
Thanks for the answer, davewasbaloo. So I would say Soarin is his masterpiece, one of Disney's best attractions.
O definately, and also Star Tours is up there too (though a lot of that is Tony Baxter too)
The walkway is open again: http://www.dlrptoday.com/2010/03/27/and ... -playland/ (http://www.dlrptoday.com/2010/03/27/andys-first-tinkertoys-constructed-in-toy-story-playland/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
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C'est magique.
Tom Fitzgerald is currently 'Executive Vice President, Senior Creative Executive', so Toy Story Playland probably isn't his "baby", he was there in an executive role to make the presentation. I think Kristof met him (as he meets everyone) sometime during the opening of Crush/Cars, so at least here's a senior WDI interested in the Studios.
And again, can we keep the throwing toys out of prams (and heroin references??!) somewhere else, please.
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Great find Remco. I wonder where that photo was taken from? Was it taken from the Tower of Terror? Is it an official photo taken by Disney, or one taken by a regular park guest?
doubt it iwll be from tower of terror as wrong angle unless someone on the roof facing that way!
Seems intresting anyway how it would of been taken
It is from the roof of Tower of Terror - remember this earlier picture (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/tspl_nov09_1.jpg)?
Shows how much its come along since November!
Quote from: "Alan"Great find Remco. I wonder where that photo was taken from? Was it taken from the Tower of Terror? Is it an official photo taken by Disney, or one taken by a regular park guest?
From what I've read on the Themepark.nl forums, I understand that coasterbob is/has been a CM at The Tower of Terror. From pictures I've seen it seems the CMs have access to the side balconies during the start up of the attraction. So my guess is that the picture has been taken from there.
I'm still not impressed by the rides chosen for Toy Story Playland, but I must at least admit that the theming looks pretty nice. It's still a shame they didn't go for a more unique attraction.
Quote from: "Remco K."I'm still not impressed by the rides chosen for Toy Story Playland, but I must at least admit that the theming looks pretty nice. It's still a shame they didn't go for a more unique attraction.
I'm with you on this. I also have to admit that the theming around the rides looks a lot better than expected. It will definately look better than Chester and Hester's Dinorama at WDW. I think that TSPL will pull in a lot of people and so it will be easier to ride Crush's Coaster. I'm not interested in riding any of the TSPL rides and so I will take advantage of the, hopefully, shorter lines of Crush.
Looking on the construction pics it seems that the construction is moving along. Hopefully we will see more pictures taken from ToT.
Disney and More has posted an article with pictures about TSPL. Alain talks about the visual intrusion of the rides and he is right that the rides should really not be seen from the ToT. I hope that the imagineers will find a good way to hide them. The visual intrusion and the ride capacity are the biggest problems for me. I think the theming will be better than expected, hopefully.
You can find the article here:
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Looking good! I am looking forward to this!
The first bamboo arrives at TSPL...
photo found on the facebook site of DLRP times!!
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that just took me about 30 seconds to spot! ....."oh yeah!" Lol!
Quote from: "tubbsy"that just took me about 30 seconds to spot! ....."oh yeah!" Lol!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one :lol:
My goodness, I can't see it.
i cant see it either?!!!
Seriously? :lol: It's right in the middle, above the sweepers.
Those are bamboo? They are massive!!!
Really? I considered them but didn't think they looked like bamboo.
Quote from: "Magic M"Those are bamboo? They are massive!!!
Yeah it's there to make you feel smaller, bring more shade and greenery all year long to the park and to block out some of the visual intrusion as well. Expect to see a lot more of that bamboo the coming weeks. :)
Quoteblock out some of the visual intrusion as well.
Surely the bamboo won't block out the top of RC Racer and Parachute Drop ? Therefore I think it is likely that some adjustments to Hollywood Blvd. may be made, however trivial.
Although the bamboo does add some greenery, it's something the studios has been crying out for, so whilst there is alot of criticism for the project it may be positive in a way!!
Adam
QuoteSurely the bamboo won't block out the top of RC Racer and Parachute Drop?
Like I said, some of the visual intrusion. :wink:
Welcome to magicforum by the way! :)
Thanks Kristof. I was researching TSPL the other week and looked within an 'Unofficial Guide to Disneyland Paris 2010' guidebook where it said along with the 3 main attractions there would be an outdoor playarea, much in the fashion of the one in Disney's Hollywood Studios. Is there any news on whether this plan is still going ahead?
Adam
Good question Adam. I've seen a concept art of a Toy Soldiers themed slide, but this idea was dropped. I don't believe a large play area was even considered. (At least not from what I've been told and shown.)
The same bamboo can be seen in Flik's Fun Faire at DCA. Here are a few pictures of the entrance
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dressed up during Christmas time
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The bamboo is really high. Hopefully it will be high enough to hide TSPL so that it can not be seen from the ToT.
Its looking like it might eventually :)
It'll be interestinbg to see how this all blends into Studios as I felt it lacked a bit of greenery. But obviously I havent seen the park in 2 1/2 years so dont know what Hollywood Boulevard and TOT has done to the park.
...... I am getting really excited to see all these changes :D :D
Their making very quick progress!
Hopefully they'll have previews over summer, even just to see the themeing :).
Just looking at the DLRPMagic guide, it looks like there is a questioned shop. As for it's location, has the answer been staring us in the face?
Seeing as the majority of the RC Racer queueline is to be outdoors(as shown by the Scalextric concept model), this would mean that the building behind RC is far too big to purely be a queueline. It is miles :lol: bigger than those for the PD and ZZS , plus the exit door is alot larger than all the others on the building ,and therefore I presume this is for the new store...
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Adam-Whip
Sorry to disappoint you, a store is not included in the concept. What you mark as "potential store" is in fact the queue line.
Besides, that maps is by far to scale. ;-)
That queueline is going to be massive. :D Has any concept art been released regarding the indoor line?
Hopefully when RC Racer is built the queue line for Crush's Coaster will be less as a new thrill ride is added. [-o<
Quote from: "Whip"That queueline is going to be massive. :D Has any concept art been released regarding the indoor line?
Actually no, so I'm curious about that. I expect it to be similar to Cars Race Rally. As you probably know already, the outdoor queue line will resemble a Carrera race track. :)
From the New Generation official page..
QuoteSlinky
4 hours ago
Hold on a minute, fellas. One of Sarge's men just parachuted in. Looks like their all doin' jump training!
Does this mean that more theming has just been added to the parachute drop? :D
The training bit could mean that we are seeing some movement on the attraction itself!!!
(P.S. Just thought i'd add that the twitter updates from the characters are finally becoming useful!! =D> )
As far as I've heard there is a small store of sorts planned to be included, however it's a little further to the right on the map...
Quote from: "Whip"From the New Generation official page..
QuoteSlinky
4 hours ago
Hold on a minute, fellas. One of Sarge's men just parachuted in. Looks like their all doin' jump training!
Does this mean that more theming has just been added to the parachute drop? :D
I take that as meaning testing has started on the parachute drop.
Quote from: "RiverRogue"As far as I've heard there is a small store of sorts planned to be included, however it's a little further to the right on the map...
Ah I'm glad you've heard that! The rumour that's appeared online is that the open lid of the blue Monkey Barrel tunnel could be some kind of retail kiosk. So definitely no real store, but at least something.
Quote from: "Willow"I take that as meaning testing has started on the parachute drop.
To be honest I just take it as someone from PR typing up fun messages... :wink:
When looking at my november 2009 map I see a large area of grass beside catastrophe canyon and dinotopia but when I look at the new park map dinotopia has moved into that area. This area of grass doesn't change on both maps. Will they move Dinotopia closer to Catasrophe canyon?
Quote from: "Anthony"Ah I'm glad you've heard that! The rumour that's appeared online is that the open lid of the blue Monkey Barrel tunnel could be some kind of retail kiosk. So definitely no real store, but at least something.
Yep... an actual store would be added when/if the Ratatouille part gets built.
Quote from: "CentralPlazaPerson"When looking at my november 2009 map I see a large area of grass beside catastrophe canyon and dinotopia but when I look at the new park map dinotopia has moved into that area. This area of grass doesn't change on both maps. Will they move Dinotopia closer to Catasrophe canyon?
Nope, they just had to move things around on the park map to make room for the new additions. Keep in mind that those maps are designed more for clarity than for accuracy...
Quote from: "Whip"From the New Generation official page..
QuoteSlinky
4 hours ago
Hold on a minute, fellas. One of Sarge's men just parachuted in. Looks like their all doin' jump training!
Does this mean that more theming has just been added to the parachute drop? :D
Well it could be a coincidence, but...
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Thanks for the update Butlin Boy. Also , the Pixar ball from the films is apparently in place in the middle of the site. Can anyone support this?
I already saw this before
Getting more and more exited!
Just saw this beautiful photo on DCP:
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That's a class photo JelleP. It's annoying the way DCP is in a different language. :( That forum seems to get all the info first :
Well, as long some people at the MagicForum are regulary checking DCP, I've no problems with it :roll:
But I understand that it's kind of annoying (I thought that too, actually).
If you are having problems reading DCP , download the google toolbar, which has a tool which automatically translates webpages into English, so now you can see what our fellow French fans are saying!! :)
Quote from: "CentralPlazaPerson"That's a class photo JelleP. It's annoying the way DCP is in a different language. :( That forum seems to get all the info first :
I know. Soon as I've learnt better French it's bye bye magicforum for me!
sorry for being off topic in the toy story playland topic but I got DCP and on google chrome it asks if you want to translate to english from french and I said yeah. Then at the side of the box it says "always translate french to english" and I clicked it. Everytime I look at a topic it turns from french to english.
Beat you to it CPP! ;) It's a very useful tool , and i'd definately advise everyone to use it. And seeing as it's from the people over at Google HQ , you know it's tried and tested! :)
Anyways , back on topic :lol: , any gossip of the latest drops,spins or racers?
Wow.. i am in love with Toy Story :O
And thats not the first time...:)
They're planting more and more Bamboo!
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Maybe it's just me, but the bamboo doesn't feel like grass to me. When I think of grass, it's thicker at the bottom , not the top... I am looking forward to the man-made elements of TSPL though... :) :D/
Oh, use your imagination. If you can pretend your fiberglass vehicle with a metal arm attached is an airborne elephant, you can make a lawn out of a bamboo forest. Maybe it's a weed-infested lawn...
Even the green garden areas of this land look terrible...
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Even the green garden areas of this land look terrible...
Blimey, give it a chance! They've only put in about 3 shoots of Bamboo! :lol:
QuoteIf you can pretend your fiberglass vehicle with a metal arm attached is an airborne elephant
But at least it visibly looks like an elephant. Here, it looks like... Trees =D>
I'm sure the imagineers have thought this through though. One can only hope. :D
Lots of new construction photos from www.disneygazette.fr (//http://www.disneygazette.fr/toy-story-playlan-photos-avril-2010-news-324.html):
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All looks like fun...ish
^ So the Parachute tower has 3 seats each side, I thought it was 2! And I just thought it was bascially an observation tower, I never realised it it will drop quickly and go back up etc. Its like a mini ToT! :lol:
Quote from: "Kristof"Sorry to disappoint you, a store is not included in the concept. What you mark as "potential store" is in fact the queue line.
Besides, that maps is by far to scale. ;-)
Now I dont want this to come across the wrong way, but you (Kristof) did say that RC Racer was definitely manufactured by Zamperla.... :P
Why do the protective covers on the bases of the Tinkertoy lamp posts have € signs on them? Is it a warning to the construction workers, as if to say, "careful, this stuff is new and very expensive"? Seems like something my dad would do.
Oh I guess so actually. It has 'attention' or 'caution' written below it so it must be a symbol like you say. You'd think WDI knows what's valuable and what's not though...
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Lots of new construction photos from www.disneygazette.fr (//http://www.disneygazette.fr/toy-story-playlan-photos-avril-2010-news-324.html):
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Looking good! looking good! Also nice to see that ball over there , next to the RC Racer track.... man , i cant wait to get my hands on this :D =D>
It is coming together quite well , but that parachute tower is one pig ugly piece of construction , you could never look at it and say it was a beautiful addition to the park !
If the parachute tower actually had one massive parachute on top of it, hiding all of the mechanisms under an umbrella, it would look better.
Quote from: "Timbo"It is coming together quite well , but that parachute tower is one pig ugly piece of construction , you could never look at it and say it was a beautiful addition to the park !
Its a beautiful addition to the park....... Sorry! Sorry! Joke! (hands up) Couldnt resist :oops: ....I'll get my coat shall I? (hangs head in shame)
Quote from: "Alan"If the parachute tower actually had one massive parachute on top of it, hiding all of the mechanisms under an umbrella, it would look better.
Now theres an idea. I was trying to think of an aeroplane like structure as they're supposed to be parachutes but thought that would only make it ..... I was going to say uglier but will go for harsher on the eye. A parachute on top would soften it.
I am still excited to see all the changes (whatever is considered good and bad in different peoples eyes) and am feeding all info onto DD, making us really look forward to our trip in August. Keep it coming guys :D
Hi all,
I'm really excited that the TSPL will be open when we go (hopefully!!) at the end of August this year.
The photos so far look really good, I'm a bit apprehensive as to how well it will fit in with the park, but once everything is finished i'm sure it will amazing.
Can't wait to explore the new playland!!!
xx
Quote from: "Alan"If the parachute tower actually had one massive parachute on top of it, hiding all of the mechanisms under an umbrella, it would look better.
I don't know if that is possible to do, due to safety rules and regulations.
If they would have done that, the parachute on top should have been very large, so that people can still walk on top of the tower for the mechanisms when a failure occures. Not to mention the wind speeds that will be speeding up when it comes under the large parachute.
And a dome on top of the tower would only make it more visible from outside the Walt Disney Studio's and in the Disneyland Park.
I'm sure it is possible some way, but I don't know if it would have been better for both view and safety rules.
Kenny :)
Quote from: "MagicKenny"Quote from: "Alan"If the parachute tower actually had one massive parachute on top of it, hiding all of the mechanisms under an umbrella, it would look better.
I'm sure it is possible some way, but I don't know if it would have been better for both view and safety rules.
I agree. A massive parachute on top of the tower wouldn't make much sense with regards to theming, and it probably wouldn't look that good either, in my opinion at least.
^I don't think such thing on top will make it better. It's gonna make the tower even more visable from outside (and inside) the park! ;)
Quote from: "MagicKenny"And a dome on top of the tower would only make it more visible from outside the Walt Disney Studio's and in the Disneyland Park.
And it'd probably look like a giant umbrella :P
Quote from: "Owain"Quote from: "MagicKenny"And a dome on top of the tower would only make it more visible from outside the Walt Disney Studio's and in the Disneyland Park.
And it'd probably look like a giant umbrella :P
:lol: Ah yes! Got a point there!
A little update , I will put online a new video on 26 or 27 april of TSPL.
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What links Toy Story to them wierd ugly posts that are everywhere?
they are tinker toys
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they are used on the sign in toy story midway mania as well
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i guess they are being used as they are classic toys
Classic AMERICAN toys. They were never very big in Europe.
I would have been nice if they were made of something more recognisable to Europeans, like Lego, or Duplo or K'Nex. Of course this would require a big mess of copyrights and liscencing, but it would achieve the films/lands aim of childhood nostalgia.
I feel it still fits as the 'character' toys in the movies are very american also.
And you are supposed to be in an American garden too, Andy's. ;-)
As for Lego and copyright-Lego are making Toy Story toys (and pretty cool they are too :) ) Dont shout me down but TBH I like them :) I can see it as part of the big picture. They look similar to magnetix and I get they are sticking to the theme that its Andys garden.
Quote from: "Columbiad"Classic AMERICAN toys. They were never very big in Europe.
I would have been nice if they were made of something more recognisable to Europeans, like Lego, or Duplo or K'Nex. Of course this would require a big mess of copyrights and liscencing, but it would achieve the films/lands aim of childhood nostalgia.
Imagine the same issue but in Hong Kong Disneyland. These toys are only knows from movies outside America. How many persons in China grew up with classic american toys? Disney and co did not think hard enough when they came up with the idea for this land.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "Columbiad"Classic AMERICAN toys. They were never very big in Europe.
I would have been nice if they were made of something more recognisable to Europeans, like Lego, or Duplo or K'Nex. Of course this would require a big mess of copyrights and liscencing, but it would achieve the films/lands aim of childhood nostalgia.
Imagine the same issue but in Hong Kong Disneyland. These toys are only knows from movies outside America. How many persons in China grew up with classic american toys? Disney and co did not think hard enough when they came up with the idea for this land.
Yeah, but people in China didn't even grow up with Disney characters like we did, so I don't think it's a branding issue.
In my opinion, the lamp posts look colourful and toy-like enough for people to make the connection with Toy Story Playland, despite the fact they know the brand Tinkertoys or not. Lots of people won't know what Lincoln Logs are either, but as long as they look like giant toys, it'll be fine. :)
I don´t have any problem with the lamp posts. It´s simply a point someone wouldn´t expect at WDS: theming.
Everybody can clearly see that it´s something toylike, something to built things with, something to play. So I can´t see where the point is. :mrgreen:
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "Columbiad"Classic AMERICAN toys. They were never very big in Europe.
I would have been nice if they were made of something more recognisable to Europeans, like Lego, or Duplo or K'Nex. Of course this would require a big mess of copyrights and liscencing, but it would achieve the films/lands aim of childhood nostalgia.
Imagine the same issue but in Hong Kong Disneyland. These toys are only knows from movies outside America. How many persons in China grew up with classic american toys? Disney and co did not think hard enough when they came up with the idea for this land.
But 'Toy Story' is set in America, so the toys in the land will be American as they were in the films. Why would Disney want to put a load of European toys in WDS' version of the land? It wouldn't make any sense. The same thing can be said for putting Chinese toys in HKDL' version.
Fair dos. :D Sorry.
And just for the record... I used to have them as a child!
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "Columbiad"Classic AMERICAN toys. They were never very big in Europe.
I would have been nice if they were made of something more recognisable to Europeans, like Lego, or Duplo or K'Nex. Of course this would require a big mess of copyrights and liscencing, but it would achieve the films/lands aim of childhood nostalgia.
Imagine the same issue but in Hong Kong Disneyland. These toys are only knows from movies outside America. How many persons in China grew up with classic american toys? Disney and co did not think hard enough when they came up with the idea for this land.
Yeah, but people in China didn't even grow up with Disney characters like we did, so I don't think it's a branding issue.
In my opinion, the lamp posts look colourful and toy-like enough for people to make the connection with Toy Story Playland, despite the fact they know the brand Tinkertoys or not. Lots of people won't know what Lincoln Logs are either, but as long as they look like giant toys, it'll be fine. :)
True, but when it comes to attendence in both WDS and HKDL both parks have been two huge... two mistakes. In about one year we will know if the classic american toys helped the french resort.
I don´t know about Paris but in Hong Kong people warn me about how aweful HKDL is. WDS hasn´t been doing much for Paris either.
What both WDS and HKDL needs is not toys from America, Europe or China, they need amazing rides never seen before. We are talking two failures in a row!
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Coming together now
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The top of the parachute drop has improved a lot since I last saw it, there's extra green cladding of some kind around the sides of the arms where there were just open railings before, making it look much bulkier and oversized now, more like a plastic toy than a mobile phone mast. Compare: http://www.dlrptoday.com/images/2010/03 ... spl_10.jpg (http://www.dlrptoday.com/images/2010/03/04_tramtourtspl_10.jpg%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
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Little update of saterday...
Great photo David!
But what's that strange red thing on the left? :roll:
Dunno , I will tell you if I know it , next week:)
Quote from: "JelleP"Great photo David!
But what's that strange red thing on the left? :roll:
For me it looks like this red thing is part of a crane.
The rumours all suggest that Toy Story Playland should ready for opening by mid August, but the pictures all tell a different story, and construction seems to be coming along at a very quick pace. Do you think there is a chance TSPL will be ready to open at the start of the Summer Holidays?
Quote from: "Malin"The rumours all suggest that Toy Story Playland should ready for opening by mid August, but the pictures all tell a different story, and construction seems to be coming along at a very quick pace. Do you think there is a chance TSPL will be ready to open at the start of the Summer Holidays?
Well , you know , the big rides are done , and theming is just done in a several weeks. So yeah , i hope so. But , i didn't see anything from Slinky Dog. I hope (we) will see more after this weekend.
I still find the whole August opening very late. Considering (not only my booked trip from the 1st of August), the marketing has kicked off and clearly advertises the new rides, many people would assume the opening of the rides to be a main portion of the new generation and to have been open a little earlier. Very misleading!
A photo from last weekend. Gives an impression how TALL that bamboo is (it's on the left)
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thanks kristof for the pic, it looks like TSPL will be a land you can immerse yourself in and the theming looks spot on
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OMG , THERE IT IS! The new Toy Story Playland UPDATE of April! New this time: you see the RC' Racers undertrack and BUILD IN Progress! Enjoy :D!!!!!
had buzz done something to his left leg or he just fooling around?
niec update David!
Awesome video :) Thanks for the update!
The cosntruction is coming along very nicely.
Also, a british newspaper had an aritcle on Disneyland Paris yesterday and they were talking about TSPL as if It was open. I spy false advertisment.
Thanks for the awesome video update Disneydavid! TSPL is really starting to take shape now, it will be interesting to see the progress in another few weeks. :)
Cool new video David!
It's always nice to see some progress at DLP!
Tip for the next videos: please try to make shots that aren't shaking or anything. The video looks very messy now, so try to do that the next time ;)
Great to see a video. More of this:)
But when it comes to the toys... that place looks like a mix of military training camp and six flags... nice theme Disney!
Nice update....ta
Quote from: "JelleP"Tip for the next videos: please try to make shots that aren't shaking or anything.
I think the shakiness is due to the filming "technique" that had to be used in order to allow shots over the very, very high fences around the TSPL area. I think it is totally ok under these circumstances :)
im even more impressed with the bit outside the sudios and how quite it was while it was being filmed! must of been early in the morning
The lower part of RC has been placed on track! :)
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thnx for all the nice comments! It was hard to do becouse I forgot a very important thing for my camera. Still i am happy i did it! I will put the video online on iTunes on not one , but TWO podcast : DLP Video podcast and (a new one) Davids Movie Factory.
The next time update will be on 22th of may!
the tsplayland looks better and better everyday. Really seems to become a real improvement for the studios.
Great job WDI =D>
Quote from: "MagicKenny"The lower part of RC has been placed on track! :)
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Pure Disney magic. This is the stuff that makes a world wide brand of themeparks..........
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "MagicKenny"The lower part of RC has been placed on track! :)
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Pure Disney magic. This is the stuff that makes a world wide brand of themeparks..........
I take that to be sarcastic seen as you don't seem to like TSPL, but if Disney left the park to stagnate and not build something like TSPL and not have any significant investment in the park since ToT started construction then Disney would not be a worldwide themepark brand. The reaction on most of the American forums is why can't they have a land like this in one of their parks so it can't be that hated.
Seems an odd decision to be building it up there rather than in the station. It really is looking good.
Thanks for the video David!
As posted on Disney Central Plaza:
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Mmm, the area doesn't look too big as what I first thought it would be like, but still, it's all coming together now.
From that picture it looks like they could be doing a "pull-through". This is where they test that the track has been put together correctly and that there aren't any problems with the main structure.
They will only be using the basic chassis of the train, its pointless having all the theming attached (it would just get in the way)
The Space Mountain trains would have probably looked exactly the same at this point in the construction phase.
I love the shade of orange chosen.
Quote from: "Willow"From that picture it looks like they could be doing a "pull-through". This is where they test that the track has been put together correctly and that there aren't any problems with the main structure.
They will only be using the basic chassis of the train, its pointless having all the theming attached (it would just get in the way)
The Space Mountain trains would have probably looked exactly the same at this point in the construction phase.
I love the shade of orange chosen.
Although they need to test everything again once all theming has been attached. The structure will be much and much heavier with everything on it. The coaster will react different to a complete and much heavier car then without the theming. Just as the technical failures. Tecnical failures will come and go when anything changes on the track. Even high wind speeds and rain can cause failures.
It's all coming together now :D
I'm really looking forward to the official opening in August!
They shouldn't need to have another test like this once the theming is inplace, its purely to check the track has been put together properly and that the wheels are the correct distance apart etc.
Usually they also have a "reach envelope" attached, to check if any guests arms can reach something they shouldnt be able to.
You can see the rope pulling the car up.
Quote from: "SM:M3"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "MagicKenny"The lower part of RC has been placed on track! :)
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Pure Disney magic. This is the stuff that makes a world wide brand of themeparks..........
I take that to be sarcastic seen as you don't seem to like TSPL, but if Disney left the park to stagnate and not build something like TSPL and not have any significant investment in the park since ToT started construction then Disney would not be a worldwide themepark brand. The reaction on most of the American forums is why can't they have a land like this in one of their parks so it can't be that hated.
Seems an odd decision to be building it up there rather than in the station. It really is looking good.
Thanks for the video David!
In a few years they will have to do the same thing to WDS that they are doing now to DCA. DCA was a big shame for Disney. Still that park had much more to offer than WDS ever had.
Toys will not do anything for WDS. It will make a few more persons go to the park. Disney knows how to make a dull ride look like the coolest thing ever. But in the long run these new rides are far from a new piretes, a new space mountain or even a new small world. It´s nothing more than a few swings with funny looking paint on them.
Disney is doing the best they can with the budget they have. What they should do is to look over at OLC in Japan. They know that spending alot of money in the right places will pay back bigtime. DisneySEA is a second gate park... still it beats all Disneylands and Universal studios in the world when it comes to that important thing in a themepark, the theme of the park.
If WDS is a good park. How comes it doesn´t make more people want to visit it. Disney has made some pretty strong tv and dvd ads for the place. If the toys is the thing this park needs WDS will have around 5 million visitors like HKDL and DCA. Let´s not forget that even 5 millions is low for a Disney park.
DLP is like a pair of perfect red lips and WDS is like herpes.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"DLP is like a pair of perfect red lips and WDS is like herpes.
Nice.
wow! ever more colourful metaphors. Although Herpes does grow on you, are you starting to like TSPL a bit more now?
Quote from: "DopeyDad"wow! ever more colourful metaphors. Although Herpes does grow on you, are you starting to like TSPL a bit more now?
I am lucky not to have herpes. I think WDS has some great things to offer but it is not enough for even one day. One day will this park be worth the money... but then I will be very old. I´m a fan of Disney... but not blind.
I hear what you are saying and Yes it is taking a while to turn WDS into something as good as its beautiful neighbour. I have said before that I wasnt a fan of WDS and we'd be in there a morning before heading out-concrete jungle is a phrase I used-but things are a changing, slowly and surely- at least there are things happening in the park-obviously not to everyones taste with the carnival style rides. But it has changed so much since my last visit. I really cant wait to see it all :D And I cant help feel that there would be a thread saying, "come on Disney you could be this that and the other in Studios and you're not doing anything!" if TSPL wasnt being built.
Come end of August I am wondering how many people will say "Its a carnival ride-I can ride one of those anywhere" but still queue to ride them.
Anyhoo-I am loving the up dates! I am avidly watching the thread-silly as I wont be riding RC! :lol: Yes that is chicken noises you can hear :D
The video was great David =D> :D
I also have a comparison for the studios ( but nothing with deseases!!!)
when the first settlers came to New York City they also didn't built any skyscrapers...
it's the same with the studios:
Even it's not so big and it looks a bit messy, as long as we trust in WDI and leave them some time to work on the studios it will become something really great!!!
^But a lot of those settlers did have herpes...
Anyway, the reactions here might be a trifle extreme. It's either "herpes!" or "magnificent!" How about it's a two-bit addition that's dirt-cheap at the core but seems to be getting a reasonable Disney dress-up. It's not herpes and it's not the goshdarn best thing we've seen since Space Mountain.
Although I really do hope that orange track won't look like this in August, or I might play the herpes card after all.
Quote from: "pussinboots"^But a lot of those settlers did have herpes...
Anyway, the reactions here might be a trifle extreme. It's either "herpes!" or "magnificent!" How about it's a two-bit addition that's dirt-cheap at the core but seems to be getting a reasonable Disney dress-up. It's not herpes and it's not the goshdarn best thing we've seen since Space Mountain.
Although I really do hope that orange track won't look like this in August, or I might play the herpes card after all.
Award! For the first really wise words in this topic :thumbs:
I´m also a bit splitted about this land. I expected less on the one hand now I´m surpirsed about the look of it. I love all this plants. That´s something you won´t find at the studios at the moment. On the other hand this huge orange thing scares a bit. But I´ve said I will wait till they are finished with it. An early opinion isn´t always a good friend.
Quote from: "pussinboots"^But a lot of those settlers did have herpes...
Anyway, the reactions here might be a trifle extreme. It's either "herpes!" or "magnificent!" How about it's a two-bit addition that's dirt-cheap at the core but seems to be getting a reasonable Disney dress-up. It's not herpes and it's not the goshdarn best thing we've seen since Space Mountain.
Although I really do hope that orange track won't look like this in August, or I might play the herpes card after all.
:thumbs: Can agree with that!
Quote from: "Riebi"An early opinion isn´t always a good friend.
Is that a German saying?
Another picture taken from the roof of ToT!
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Wow, this does look great :)
Thanks for the update, really hope this area is open for my trip. :P
Quote from: "MagicKenny"Another picture taken from the roof of ToT!
The roof??? How did you get there??? WOW!
Quote from: "skalos"Quote from: "MagicKenny"Another picture taken from the roof of ToT!
The roof??? How did you get there??? WOW!
Oh sorry, forgot to say what the source is,
Got the picture from, yes once again, a user on a dutch forum. He posted that picture and said it was taken from the roof.....
And another picture:
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hope the lower part isnt the finished version...that looks ugly :?
When the track is finished, will the orange vlocked part only be on the back of the track as seen in this picture, or will it be on both sides?
I'd hope it covers both sides, with some kind of slot for the vehicle to reach the track. If they do that, I'm liking the look actually, could look very 'hotwheels'
dont forget it still got a long way to go and I am 'sure' they wont disapoint us! ... fingers crossed anyway but do like it so farn but as said lets hope both sides will be done! or some way to hide the tracks
I must say I love the look of this area, 3 really unique rides for the park all which suit the theme's perfectly.
Also those half pipes I think look like great fun and I can only hope it's open for my visit (end of July)
Before people start slating RC's 'fake' track, just remember, Disney dont want it to look like a Coaster, they want it to look like a toy.
Is their no inside info on the exact month of the new land opening as it is getting closer ??
Here are some more pics I found on centralplaza :
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I don't know if they will hide the track, too....but I really hope [-o<
The new amazing toy coaster and the soldier antenna thing also works as a new element of the stunt show. Now that´s just a great new way to blend impressions!..
The toys slaughter everything that has anything to do with the looks of this park.
Thank you Walt Disney.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "Riebi"An early opinion isn´t always a good friend.
Is that a German saying?
no I think a riebi one :mrgreen:
Why don't we just create a new Pixar-Park, and have done away with all these additions that are not even Movie-Studio related in the slightest? That'd leave us with our original Animation Courtyard. Add in Philharmagic and an Animated-feature Broadway-style Production, and Bob's your uncle.
These are eyesores, and break the whole illusion you are in a studio. WDI must have been drunkards when they thought this one up.
Quoteand break the whole illusion you are in a studio
Not really a bad thing for me. Enough with the soundstages. :-)
I have to say, that shot from the stunt show is awful! At least the tower of terror is a building that sort of blends into the eyeline when it was erected. This just is terrible. I think it's more down to the theming again, but that shot/view would be more at home in six flags parks
Hopefully they'll do something to cover it up in time, E.G make the buildings larger or a huge backdrop added.
But that's just my guess. 8-[
2 Comments:
1) Can we safely assume those knocking TSPL will not be using it leaving shorter qeues for those of us looking forward to it.
2) Has anyone else noticed, its not finished.
Some of the best Disney rides are carnival rides with that Disney touch, give em a chance people
That's such a bad view from the Stunt Show theatre. This ugly green tower ruins the whole view. I really don't know what they were thinking when they were planning TSPL.
Quote from: "QTXAdsy"Hopefully they'll do something to cover it up in time, E.G make the buildings larger or a huge backdrop added.
But that's just my guess. 8-[
We can hope, but I would be amazed if they do.......
Urgh, that stunt show view! Surely some simple retheming there could add another couple of levels to the 'appartment' and block the tower from view entirely though?
Quote from: "Riebi"Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "Riebi"An early opinion isn´t always a good friend.
Is that a German saying?
no I think a riebi one :mrgreen:
Well, it's good!
I don't understand why they went with a carny ride this big. I can understand why they went with this whole approach of dressing up a few cheapo rides in these desperate times, but this is one ride you can't muffle away as a mountain or a tree so that it blends in with the rest of the park. This is, quite clearly, a very large carny ride, and it's not an asset to the views anywhere in the resort. The same goes for the halfpipe, even though that at least is getting some passable themeing.
The only thing that can save the park now is major rebuild like at DCA. WDS is the worst of all Disneyparks ever.
@TimmyTimmyTimmy
Please stop being so constantly negative. It's rather depressing. :)
Anyway, I think perhaps we should accept that this won't be the best thing to come out of WDI in the past few years HOWEVER I think we should still be happy that we are getting THREE new rides for the park.
I personally think that TSP will be quite good when it's finished and will, at least, add some much needed greenery to the park. And perhaps when the "grass" is added the rides may not be so obvious from the rest of the park.
I'm personally looking forward to RC Racer when I next go - it looks great fun! :D
Here is a video of Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop testing:
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Quote from: "eeyore_fan"I think perhaps we should accept that this won't be the best thing to come out of WDI in the past few years HOWEVER I think we should still be happy that we are getting THREE new rides for the park.
:thumbs: Well said!
The thing is TimmyTimmyTimmy we, as a family, go to Disney once every couple of years or so with two adults a teenager and a 7 year old who has special needs, with different wants from the parks, rides, shows, meet n greets.
We've only been four times, going for our fifth trip at the end of August and we are all very excited. Every time we have been we have all thoroughly enjoyed ourselves - as a family - all coming back with great memories.
OK so it may be carnival rides, but what is Carousel de lancelot?
The whole point is that people can go young and old and find something they love in their holiday in Disney. And as eeyore_fan said its 3 new rides
Do you know we've never been up to the Indiana Jones and the temple of peril?-simply because its not something me, my DH and the teenager want to ride, but we appreciate others do, thats why its there. We just ignore it-right up to the moment the 7 year old is tall enough! :shock: :lol:
You dont like TSP - fair dos - its big and going to be hard for you to ignore when you go- I respect that. Now lets move on.
Daniel-Great video-the 7 year old thinks its "Cool!" the 15 year old said "Yep I'll ride it!" -I got sweaty palms! :shock: :lol:
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"The only thing that can save the park now is major rebuild like at DCA. WDS is the worst of all Disneyparks ever.
Yeah, but there won't be one... :( :-k
Quote from: "jwagner"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"The only thing that can save the park now is major rebuild like at DCA. WDS is the worst of all Disneyparks ever.
Yeah, but there won't be one... :( :-k
Yet. :D
Quote from: "tubbsy"The thing is TimmyTimmyTimmy we, as a family, go to Disney once every couple of years or so with two adults a teenager and a 7 year old who has special needs, with different wants from the parks, rides, shows, meet n greets.
We've only been four times, going for our fifth trip at the end of August and we are all very excited. Every time we have been we have all thoroughly enjoyed ourselves - as a family - all coming back with great memories.
OK so it may be carnival rides, but what is Carousel de lancelot?
The whole point is that people can go young and old and find something they love in their holiday in Disney. And as eeyore_fan said its 3 new rides
You dont like TSP - fair dos - its big and going to be hard for you to ignore when you go- I respect that. Now lets move on.
Well said Tubbsy. =D> =D> =D>
I hope all the 'parachutes' wont be run at the same time, like that vid show, it looks....odd. And it would be good if they didn't just go straight up, then straight down 3 times.
A little variety would be nice, like a few smaller drops, and dropping from half way up when you dont expect it 'kind of thing'. BUT, they were just testing it, so you never know.
Quote from: "Martyn"I hope all the 'parachutes' wont be run at the same time, like that vid show, it looks....odd. And it would be good if they didn't just go straight up, then straight down 3 times.
A little variety would be nice, like a few smaller drops, and dropping from half way up when you dont expect it 'kind of thing'. BUT, they were just testing it, so you never know.
I think that the final ride will also run like the "test-version"
The jumping jellyfish in DCA and TDS are just going up and down, too.
nevertheless it looks much more exciting than i expected :)
Some people really do get much too high on the pixie dust. And really do not understand the Disney difference at all. I stand by the assertion I made in the mid 90's, perhaps Europe does not deserve a Disney park? And more to the point, what happened to the Disney I fell in love with?
Stuff like this is ruining the few good things the park had going for it. And the defenders of this rubbish are a big part of the problem.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"perhaps Europe does not deserve a Disney park?
Excuse me?????????? Are we not good enough??????????????????????????????????????
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"And the defenders of this rubbish are a big part of the problem.
I'll try not to take any of this personally.
I am actually horrified by this and I think that maybe this sort of attitude doesn't help either.
BTW - well said Tubbsy :thumbs: =D>
With respect Davewasbaloo-I hear what you are saying but I am high on the pixie dust and am reading all threads and drinking up as much info as I can-this trip has been hard worked for, having a husband who works away for the best part of half a year and probably my last holiday with my gorgeous, but nearly adult daughter and I am going to make the most of every minute. We plan, re plan, discuss, lament we may not bebable to do everything, get excited over seeing favourite characters, doing favourite rides, discuss pros and cons over some not so favourite ones in this house, count down the days (Oh God, I've forgotten how many hours I have til I go! Must go work it out! :lol: ) We cant go that often, but when we do-boy we have a damn good time.
I think this is all getting way too heated again. Can we please just move on to looking at how the construction is going and critique it ?- comments on that the trees arent covering buildings making it hard on the eye is fair comment and saying you dont like it is too. My DH is trying to get his head round TSPL - he says the parachute drop reminds him way too much of his work and the RC track reminds him of our son's room! (Hang on DH thats the point, its Andys garden! See? It isnt all perfect here :lol: )But this thread is on the verge of slipping into a slanging match again. Kristoff and Anthony has asked us on previous pages not to get into slanging matches. This discussion may not be there yet but it will be very soon. Big breath, think happy thoughts (or not depending on your view of the rides and theming, We are all entitled to our points of view) and lets move on
It would be great if the parachutes varied in drop sequence-you wouldnt be sure when you were gonna drop.What am I saying??? :shock: :lol: But wouldnt it be hard to do as its all running off one system? Note-my naivity of technology! :D
Just realised that next time I go TSPL will be open! I`m curios to see whatt it looks like when it is open. Seeing the construction this april, and not knowing(then) when I`ll be back, it took me a while to realise I`ll be able to try it. (I`m not always that slow.... ;) )
Aurora
Is it hard to understand that a true disneypark fan gets worried and dissapointed when they turn a nice pice of empty land into a six flags paris when it could have been a DisneySEA or even a Hollywood Studios?
Don´t tell me not to be negative. I don´t tell you not to be positive.
I as a person that gets tears in my eyes when I enter a Disneyland HATE what they are doing to WDS. Everytime I see a new picture I hate the park even more. I will visit it for sure... but just to do a few of the few rides. Then I will leave and let the smallest of children keep having fun with their Toystory land.
Show me great looking views and I will love it. It was a forum like this that made me the hardcore Disneyland fan that I am. But this thread makes me wonder what it is the "fans" want.
What the "fans" get is cheap terrible looking rides that force the person riding them use alot of imagination to even to come close to the feeling one gets when riding Pirates, the mountains and other rides that have become known all over the world.
Walt Disney would not approve and by the way... we already have on carnival section in the resort. Another one worse looking is not needed and would not be missed if it went. All the toys will do is to make something bad even worse.
Is TSPL what anyone would have wished for when it comes to new additions in any Disneypark?
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Don´t tell me not to be negative. I don´t tell you not to be positive.
I have the impression that's what you're doing, or trying to do. You're entitled to have your opinion about Toy Story Playland, but so are others, positive or negative. Take that in mind please. :)
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Don´t tell me not to be negative. I don´t tell you not to be positive.
I have the impression that's what you're doing, or trying to do. You're entitled to have your opinion about Toy Story Playland, but so are others, positive or negative. Take that in mind please. :)
Everybody has an oppinion. I don´t try to put anyone down. But I can´t understand how people tend to look forward to this. Isn´t bad news always bad news how ever they are portrayed in the end? Anybody that has insight in Disney has to admit that the toys are not a good solution to a really big problem. Strange to see disney fans liking this. I´ll try to be not as shocked the next time we get to see more pictures of that horrible thing they are building in WDS:)
It would be great to see how the WDS park is doing in numbers a year from now.
I dont mind toystory land, its meant only to be temp ( i think that was the inital plan) and will add a little something for the very young kids, but i can understand TimmyTimmys feelings
I think hardcore fans (who are honest to themselves) not glossing it over with sugar, because they are superfans, and cant see no wrong in disney, the real hardcore fans will hate this land, because if people accept this as Disney, when we all know they can do so much better, our expectations will become lower and lower and lower. so the next ride will be lower quality we will all say, "its nice" Disney was a company of the highest quality and giving the best to the customer, creating dreams, letting all of us to be kids, ot feel the magic....now its profit before all, is the way its going.. but what can we do, we will still go, we will still have a good time, but deep in our mind we know it was so much better, and could have been a whole lot more..
TSLP isn't temp, surely it's permermanent. I still think many people will enjoy it. People queue up to take a ride on a tea cup or a flying carpet or a flying Elephant. I've yet to bother with the flying Elephants, and I've been going to DLP since 1993. You don't have to go to Disney for rides like that. But some people can't imagine anybody wanting to go on a parachute drop or a half pipe. The reason Disney theme parks are so popular is that there is something for everyone to enjoy. TOT is a great ride, but some people don't want to go on it, or Space Mountain for that matter, and I think many adults will enjoy going on the parachute drop with their children. The clue is in the name, Toy Story Playland. Why shouldn't Disney have such a land in one of their theme parks. The films and characters are popular enough and have made a lot of money for Disney.
Once again this topic seems to have descended into argument, strange references and the old offensive almost racist Europeans don't know a thing about Disney remarks. But if you're paying for park entry you get to choose which rides to go on. I went to Chessington the other week and paid £34 for the privilege and rode only 9 out of the 28 or so attractions and still had a fantastic day with my friends. If you don't like Toy Story Playland, don't visit it and we know by now you think its rubbish so there's no point telling us repeatedly, we can all form our own opinions which may or may not change.
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Anyway, that is a problem from the stunt show picture and that needs changing soon, I wonder if Moteurs will have an impromptu "refurb"
Well said!!! And to the last point regarding a "refurb" on the stunt show, I hope so, but would be suprised if they did. I hoped they might when the tower of teror was under constuction, as there was this grey eyesore breaking the optical illusion. However once that was painted it didn't look too bad as it was a building and in a similar colour scheme. The TSPL pieces however do not blend in at all. So let's hope
Just think, you'll probably hear a lot of the screams too....
Quote from: "SM:M3"Once again this topic seems to have descended into argument, strange references and the old offensive almost racist Europeans don't know a thing about Disney remarks. But if you're paying for park entry you get to choose which rides to go on. I went to Chessington the other week and paid £34 for the privilege and rode only 9 out of the 28 or so attractions and still had a fantastic day with my friends. If you don't like Toy Story Playland, don't visit it and we know by now you think its rubbish so there's no point telling us repeatedly, we can all form our own opinions which may or may not change.
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Anyway, that is a problem from the stunt show picture and that needs changing soon, I wonder if Moteurs will have an impromptu "refurb"
Wich 9 rides would you recommend me to go on next time I visit WDS?
C'mon people. :-)
Soooooooooo-moving on
I am confooosled (again, yes I know it doesnt take much :P ) I've been following whats been said about the stunt show-even google earthed DLP to try and work out how the stunt show could be seen/heard from TSPL-isnt tram tours in between them? Scuse me for not getting it :lol:
they are quite far away, and youre right the STT is between them, and so is TOT and lots more, i dont think its a problem, i can see other attractions from other attractions ie i can see sleeping beautys castle from BTM
I was just looking at the Ratouille plans somewhere in that topic, and was wondering. Will TSPL seem quite different when it is much more a part of a bigger whole? It looks like it will work well to connect Crush, Cars to the Rat making quite a distinct feeling area. Not withstanding some people views on Pixar, this feels like it could be a very Disney, rich and emersive area, with Rat/Crush being the predominant attractions and TSPL being more a supporting artist than the main attraction, offering choice of rides, easing capacity and hopefully keeping guests I guess. What do people think, will it seem different when alongside Rat?
TSPL will be in Toon Studio, and hopefully Ratouille will be as well in the future. So Toon Studio will be the land and TSPL will be a part of that, that's my understanding of it. Pixar have made some very popular films, infact I don't think they've had a flop yet. So yes, Toon Studio could become a very rich emersive area. And it's no wonder that Disney want to replicate the success of the Pixar films in their theme parks. WDS needs that. When WDS opened in 2002 the park only had two rides, Flying Carpets and Rock n Roller Coaster. Now we have TOT and Crush as well, two really good rides. So I think the WDS is growing into a very good theme park. It's still small, but it is getting better.
So are we saying that Crush and Ratatouille will be the big pull rides with TSPL and cars as the carni types? I hope that I'll have saved eough for if/when its all open, it'd be great to see :)
I reckon so yeah, for example when Disneyland Park opened Discoveryland's main attractions were the Visionarium, Star Tours and perhaps EO, but when Space Mountain arrived they left the spotlight and Space Mountain took over, so I think that when/if Ratatouille opens it will be the main attraction and TSPL will be a bit like Cars Race Rally, a secondary ride, except maybe RC Racer :?:
Certainly the Musik Express and the Parachute Drop are just filler attractions, RC-Racer will be the most popular in the land.
The lack of attractions at WDS are making Toy Story Playland bigger than what it probably should be.
QuotePixar have made some very popular films
Very true. Infact, the Pixar/Disney films are the ones that people look forward to the most. When was the last time Disney made a very successful cartoon film, on their own?
With regards to park characters etc, it is Disney themself that is letting the parks down, as they're now making so many films (with the majority of them bing flops) its hard for the parks to keep on top of the characters.
Quoteinfact I don't think they've had a flop yet.
Ratouille isn't
that well known of. And wasn't the best/most popular film either. Thats why I find it a bit odd that there may be this big Rat dark ride. They need to stick with the popular films, like Nemo, Toy Story and..... Monsters Inc. A Monsters dark ride would be MUCH more popular than Rat...
Sorry for straying off topic a wee bit.... :)
Not that popular? Look up the box office, it was a smash in Europe, with takings if over $400 million outside the US alone. It is to date one if the more succesfull Pixar films in Europe
Quote from: "Willow"The lack of attractions at WDS are making Toy Story Playland bigger than what it probably should be.
Couldn't agree more! :D
And let's hope for the Space Mountain-effect as said before^ :D
Quote from: "Martyn"QuotePixar have made some very popular films
Very true. Infact, the Pixar/Disney films are the ones that people look forward to the most. When was the last time Disney made a very successful cartoon film, on their own?
With regards to park characters etc, it is Disney themself that is letting the parks down, as they're now making so many films (with the majority of them bing flops) its hard for the parks to keep on top of the characters.
Quoteinfact I don't think they've had a flop yet.
Ratouille isn't that well known of. And wasn't the best/most popular film either. Thats why I find it a bit odd that there may be this big Rat dark ride. They need to stick with the popular films, like Nemo, Toy Story and..... Monsters Inc. A Monsters dark ride would be MUCH more popular than Rat...
Sorry for straying off topic a wee bit.... :)
I've just had Deja Vu ;)
Me too - thought I was going mad and read the same point twice!
I think the consensus on TSPL is that although true they are "off the shelf" carnival rides, they are already in construction, and will become even more very well themed to the area, an area with greenery there as well!
Which, lets face it is a god sent to WDS! Its true looking at other classic Disney favourties that they are Carnival rides dressed up!
I agree that TSPL is becoming more of a deal than it deserves however we have to take into account that WDS is still a young park!
This is a tad off topic but in relation to TSPL I think its interesting that Disney normally decide on two ways of building their parks.
1. Florida style (Epcot, DAK) Build a spectacular setting then add rides.
2. DCA, WDS Style. Build attractions spectacular in their own right and then tie them all up in one massive multi year refurb. I just know WDS will get the treatment DCA are getting in some years to come.
TSPL is a wonderful attraction in its own right i think, and in following years when WDS is overhauled it'll be blended into the rest of the park better - like blocking sight lines and creating a more studio like feel of the land!
Just be thankful that within itself it will be a wonderfully themed area of the park, at least its not DCA 2001 style, with odd carnival rides just plonked on some asphalt, pin the tail on the donkey style!
What do people think?
@montaguewarner: couldn't agree more :thumbs:
Hi,
Myself and the family have watched this from afar. It's an addition and a good brand at that so lets enjoy it and see what happens over time.
Mr_B
Quote from: "montaguewarner"I think the consensus on TSPL is that although true they are "off the shelf" carnival rides, they are already in construction, and will become even more very well themed to the area, an area with greenery there as well!
Which, lets face it is a god sent to WDS! Its true looking at other classic Disney favourties that they are Carnival rides dressed up!
I agree that TSPL is becoming more of a deal than it deserves however we have to take into account that WDS is still a young park!
This is a tad off topic but in relation to TSPL I think its interesting that Disney normally decide on two ways of building their parks.
1. Florida style (Epcot, DAK) Build a spectacular setting then add rides.
2. DCA, WDS Style. Build attractions spectacular in their own right and then tie them all up in one massive multi year refurb. I just know WDS will get the treatment DCA are getting in some years to come.
TSPL is a wonderful attraction in its own right i think, and in following years when WDS is overhauled it'll be blended into the rest of the park better - like blocking sight lines and creating a more studio like feel of the land!
Just be thankful that within itself it will be a wonderfully themed area of the park, at least its not DCA 2001 style, with odd carnival rides just plonked on some asphalt, pin the tail on the donkey style!
What do people think?
So you're trying to make WDS look good by making DCA look bad? It's clear you've never been to DCA based on your descriptions. The boardwalk is not lined with asphalt, it has a wooden boardwalk - and the rides are not odd carnival attractions. I really wouldn't compare DCA to WDS (ever seen Grizzly Peak?!)
Rides like the Golden Zephyr were custom built for the park (Early 20th century ride; the one in Paradise Pier is the only one still in existence in North America). The Fun Wheel is a full-size replica of the original 1920 Coney Island Wonder Wheel (there's only two in the world, one is in DCA.) Paradise Pier looks stunning at night and has great atmosphere/music loop and amazing rides like Midway Mania.
TSPL looks great - I'm just not a fan of the large rides that tower over the park. At Bug's Land, the rides are kept under a canopy of giant leaves to maintain the illusion that you're the size of a bug. It makes it immersive, like it's tucked away in a corner of the park. Rides that shoot you up high over the park kind of break that illusion.
Quote from: "alka1"So you're trying to make WDS look good by making DCA look bad? It's clear you've never been to DCA based on your descriptions. The boardwalk is not lined with asphalt, it has a wooden boardwalk - and the rides are not odd carnival attractions. I really wouldn't compare DCA to WDS (ever seen Grizzly Peak?!)
Rides like the Golden Zephyr were custom built for the park (Early 20th century ride; the one in Paradise Pier is the only one still in existence in North America). The Fun Wheel is a full-size replica of the original 1920 Coney Island Wonder Wheel (there's only two in the world, one is in DCA.) Paradise Pier looks stunning at night and has great atmosphere/music loop and amazing rides like Midway Mania.
TSPL looks great - I'm just not a fan of the large rides that tower over the park. At Bug's Land, the rides are kept under a canopy of giant leaves to maintain the illusion that you're the size of a bug. It makes it immersive, like it's tucked away in a corner of the park. Rides that shoot you up high over the park kind of break that illusion.
If you notice my signature I have been to DCA twice and for several days at a time each!
If DCA is so wonderful why did Bob Iger personally say that TWDC needed to "fix the second park." Yes Grizzly peak is beatiful, and so is Le Place Des Freres Lumieres and Hollywood Boulevard, but then again Paradise Pier before the current refurb was just awful! It was/is a dirty mess based on exacly the thing Walt hated and tried to get away from when building the original Disneyland!
I'm not a DCA or WDS hater, i'm merely drawing comparisons here, and since these were two parks both rushed into construction by Mr Eisner, they have A LOT in common!
Although one (DCA) has a little more money behind it at the moment to improve itself, I am merely pointing out that when EuroDisney SCA has a little more money, i'm sure WDS will greatly improve to! :thumbs:
DCA needed a change here and there to make it look a bit better and a few additions. It is getting all that now. WDS needs to be rebuilt from the ground. Visual intrusion, empty parkinglot looking walkways and a mish mash of ride mix is not what makes a great experience. ...and WDS has no major finale of a show.
Quote from: "montaguewarner"I am merely pointing out that when EuroDisney SCA has a little more money, i'm sure WDS will greatly improve to! :thumbs:
YES, but there won't be as much money as in DCA. I don't think that Walt Disney Company will offer some money, because there is a lot to do elsewhere(DCA,WDW-Fantasyland, HKDL(, Shanghai???)).
Eurodisney also hasn't enough money for such a big project.
We can only hope that there will be some smaller expansions (as ratatoille,splash or Indy) in the next years.
For the moment, i think that TSPL is a good step into a better Studios Park. Of course this isn't the best thing WDI has ever done, but it seems to be a nice little area where you can spend some time of your day in the WDS.
I hope that the attractions will be fun and that e.g. the queues at crush will become shortet.
If this happens the 70 mio.€ (as far as i know) have been a good investment.
Quote from: "penfold12"Not that popular? Look up the box office, it was a smash in Europe, with takings if over $400 million outside the US alone. It is to date one if the more succesfull Pixar films in Europe
I know it is OT but Ratatouille was a huge success (and an excellent film in my opinion). Non-believers look here:
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Here is some more stuff i found in the web:
Pixiedust.be:
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imo the vehicles look very comfortable ;)
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Here you can see the bamboo again. It's really high and might hide many parts of tspl
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New videos on youtube:
I know that this is a bit short, but you can see that it allready works :D/
[youtube:3o4nlehq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11jZlP03I9A[/youtube:3o4nlehq]
Does anybody know of they will change the "roofs" of the parachutes??? It looks really ugly :?
[youtube:3o4nlehq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-ML_8ub2w[/youtube:3o4nlehq]
This is filmed from moteurs action. Hopefully they will try to hide this, otherwise it would be totally annoying seeing this while watching the stunts :(
[youtube:3o4nlehq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbT3gbdXArM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3o4nlehq]
Looks quite cool actually :D
I mean see everything work now, not the fact that you'll see the tower from the stunt show area... :roll:
I think it is all coming together now, yes the rides may not be the prettiest attractions but I really am looking forward to seeing these!!! xx
Hmmm. They do need to do something about the Parachute drop being seen from Moteurs Action, but otherwise great. Hoping its all open when we go :D
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"DCA needed a change here and there to make it look a bit better and a few additions. It is getting all that now. WDS needs to be rebuilt from the ground. Visual intrusion, empty parkinglot looking walkways and a mish mash of ride mix is not what makes a great experience. ...and WDS has no major finale of a show.
Sorry If I'm mistaken but last time I checked WDS had no parking lot itself?
Quote from: "montaguewarner"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"DCA needed a change here and there to make it look a bit better and a few additions. It is getting all that now. WDS needs to be rebuilt from the ground. Visual intrusion, empty parkinglot looking walkways and a mish mash of ride mix is not what makes a great experience. ...and WDS has no major finale of a show.
Sorry If I'm mistaken but last time I checked WDS had no parking lot itself?
I think he means that a lot of the walkways in WDS look like empty parking lots. I wouldn't exactly agree with that, but a lot of the paths are very wide, grey and soul-less.
Parkinglot looking soul less gray makes the toys look great:
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Cor! Been three years since we've been. As I've previously said its only on our last visit that we spent a whole day in WDS and found it bare compared to its beautiful neighbour. These photos remind me why when I hear you guys talking of so many changes (TOT, Hollywood Blvd, TSPL) I hope that the imagineers have a big, long term scheme for WDS. :)
And thats why I am getting excited about seeing TSPL for myself in August.
Quote from: "tubbsy"Cor! Been three years since we've been. As I've previously said its only on our last visit that we spent a whole day in WDS and found it bare compared to its beautiful neighbour. These photos remind me why when I hear you guys talking of so many changes (TOT, Hollywood Blvd, TSPL) I hope that the imagineers have a big, long term scheme for WDS. :)
And thats why I am getting excited about seeing TSPL for myself in August.
Absolutely! It was an Asphalt Theme Park then but it's getting so much better every year! Bring TSPL on! :)
Was? The Backlot, the CinéMagique area, even the old Animation Courtyard are virtually unchanged. And those three areas still constitute most of the park!
I'm grateful for the Tower of Terror, but when I first visited the Studios in 2002 I certainly hoped there would be more alterations by 2010...
Well said pussinboots! I have to admit that WDS has some beautiful places in the park, like the ToT area or the Cars area, but it is still far away from a real Disney park. We really like to spend some time in the WDS park, because it offers some great attractions despite the lack of theming.
By the way, I think that the half pipe looked better without the orange track covering. I can't wait until Ratatouille gets built, because I'm still not excited about TSPL.
I have a question:
Will there be toilets in TSPL ???
Yes, but really big ones to keep the illusion :lol:
Quote from: "jwagner"I have a question:
Will there be toilets in TSPL ???
The way Disney are thinking these days the toilets could very well end up in Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop.
^ Could be :')
But wasn't the building behind the RC Racer a toilet?
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Quote from: "JelleP"But wasn't the building behind the RC Racer a toilet?
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If you mean the ones with the orange roofs, they're the queue, but aren't they're toilets on the back on Art of Animation?
Quote from: "SM:M3"If you mean the ones with the orange roofs, they're the queue, but aren't they're toilets on the back on Art of Animation?
No, I ment that small building next to those with the orange roofs, near the STT (on the right ;))
I never heard/read that there were going to be toilets. I really hope it's true though!
Quote from: "SM:M3"(...) , but aren't they're toilets on the back on Art of Animation?
Yes but they also built new toilets in the ToT, even if there were allready some on the other side of the street (between the two restaurants). And i think that this was a good idea....toilets in the studios are always very full and you often have to go longer ways(e.g. when you're standing near crush).
Also IMO building a toilet in the back of tspl would be very smart, when they build ratatuille behind it...you wouldn't have to leave the "country" when you need a toilet ;)
:lol: This is the sort of question Mums ask. Wheres the nearest toilet?
But you have a point-planning in advance-toilets leading onto Ratatoullie.
I think the toilets and a small shop will just be built at HKDL.
Dlp.info are reporting an opening date of 17th August, soft openings in the run up to this date.
woooo for the opening date of 17th! hope it goes ahead and opens then as i'm going 27th!
thanks for sharing your find
xx
Ooooh, thanks for that :) What are the chances of it being "soft" opened on the 26th/27th/28th of July? [-o<
Whoop! Open for us :D ... as long as everything stays on track :)
A new Toy Story Playland Update! To bad... This Is It!
Sorry , not on youtube becouse of reasons....
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But i will put Captain EO (BUILDING UPDATE) , Earl of Sandwich update online on youtube :)
I guess it is just wishful thinking - BUT I hope that it would open for soft openings when I'm there on the 3rd-5th of august :-) Would be nice to see it for real before I put my final judgement on the project.
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The RC Racer is becoming a 'real' HotWheels track at the moment, great to see that :D
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Kenny
Thanks for those photos. Two things about Toy Story Playland you can't complain about:
• It looks very colourful, with lots of warm, attractive shades
• It brings a lot of lush greenery to the park
In person, the land looked surprisingly good with all its bamboo — like something you could disappear in, a welcome change from Asphalt Studios. The half-pipe is being covered in its entirety, which although a lurid shade of orange seems to be a relatively harmless addition to the landscaping.
What troubled me however were the parachutes. That ride really does look like a very large, ugly, two-bit ride stolen from some ugly two-bit park.
Thanks 4 the pics bro :thumbs:
Quote from: "Alan"Thanks for those photos. Two things about Toy Story Playland you can't complain about:
• It looks very colourful, with lots of warm, attractive shades
• It brings a lot of lush greenery to the park
In other words: Not much
Looks promising, really would like to see TSPL when it has opened :D
Great pics! TSPL definitely has an Adventure Isle feel to it!
So whats the deal with them Rat boxes? Whats going on there? Or is that just the pathway that leads to the other TSPL entrance?
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I hope they'll make the RC Racer track better on the inside (where the 'ride' is), it doesn't look like a HotWheels track from that perspective :roll:
I don't know this is a little bit late to post this but, i kinda had an idea how TSPL could fit into the studios more better.
And yes, it includes a big soundstage, a BIG soundstage
What I would of thought of that it would be named 'Toy Story Studio Set' (Very unoriginal name I know, couldn't think of anything else... :oops: )
The idea is that you are to star in the next Toy Story film by starring on many of the attractions in the set. I'm a bit lazy to post any of my sketches i did of the area but you'd probably get the idea that it would match in with the other sound stages and would be painted red.
The idea itself maybe very late to post but it is possible if they make a 'part 2' to the land. Think about, it would match in with the studios better, no one will complain about the view, we have some very lovely looking themed rides which means in the end that everyones a winner. :thumbs:
@ QTXAdsy: I like your idea better than the current version of TSPL, because it is hidden in a soundstage which fits better into the Studios Park theme than the Toy Story land.
oooo it gets better every time i come in this thread i can not wait to see it finished :D/
It all looks so good! Is there going to be a Black "race-track" style theming put on that orange metal around the ride, you know what i mean?
I/we(my 4 yeard old) cant wait...
I wonder what the height limit will be on the main 2 rides ?
Hmmm. Well, I know it doesnt have the same car, but the Edge at Paultons Park and Kobra at Chessinton have a 1m20cm height restriction.
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Like I said tho' they're different style cars. M'be that RC is a car not a spinning disk might change the height restriction.
I doubt they'll be that high, this is Disney, and it depends on the restraints I think. And montaguewarner, RC Racer (the orange halfpipe) is meant to look like a Hotwheels track so no there won't be any black race track theming, except in the queue.
argh, I know I've seen the actual restrictions for the 3 rides, but can't for the life of me remember where!
doh!
Is it in their brochure?
I may be able to help here, as i found the park map at DLP.info, and it states the ride heights!
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Oh dear, electric dreams must be standard for a half pipe :(
No restriction on Slinky dog? OK so Toy Soldiers is 81cm.... but how far does it drop ????? Yes I am a wimp! :lol:
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thanks for that ;)
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Kenny :)
Thanks for the pictures Kenny! :thumbs:
Things are really developing now - RC Racer and the Paracute Jump appear to be finished, just a matter of theming the queues to the Disney standard, but the Zig Zag Spin is lagging behind, making me think is it on schedule? :?
I am relatively optimistic about it now, although I hope that TSPL isn't a part of Toon Studio, and it is it's own distinct area of the studios.
Its looking good :)
Its looking like-for the moment, TSPL is a part of Toon Stuio.
wooooooohooooo loving the pictures!! thank you for posting the updates, I love seeing the photos!!! :D
xx
Did I spot a Slinky Dog Ride there :D
Looking good:D!!!!
They're calling Slinky Dog a coaster, is there any real confirmation on what type of ride it is?
And RC doesn't look right, being so big, with such small wheels!
I think Slinky Dog might technically be a coaster, because it has a train that runs on a track, but if it IS classified as a coaster then it's the smallest coaster in the World. It just goes round in circles.
Disney shouldn't really be saying "enjoy the thrills on this zigzag coaster" because a lot of people might be disappointed when they see it in person and discover it's basically a flat ride for kids. There's no lift hill, there's no station. The end of the train touches the front of the train. Not exactly what you'd expect when you see the word "coaster".
So, I thought Slinky is a simple Music Express type ride.
Or did I get something wrong?
Yeah I just presumed it was going to be one of those. It probably is to be honest, and I suppose I could maybe see why they'll call it a coaster, it probably isn't too different to a kids coaster :P
If I'm right a Music Express has arms that hold the cars up, but this is just the same but without arms, it runs on a track round and round and round...
Its not a coaster unless it coasts.
So for example, technically Casey Jr isn't a coaster because it doesn't coast, it is constantly powered.
Its just a standard (Mack?) Musik Express, probably one of the most simple flat rides you can get.
More themeing! :thumbs:
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From DisneyGazette.fr
Read the wing...
That has to be one of the best entrance signs since the Space Mountain ones
We are basically looking at a Disney-fied version of the Dino Dipper at Legoland Windsor.
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As for the plane, that is some real quality theming. Let's hope the standards don't go anywhere below this, and we could be looking at the best-themed land in the park! :D/
Less the Legobricks that dig into your back every time you go down a slope!
:shock: Ouch! :lol:
Fun little ride :D
Paultons Park Dragon Ride roundabout goes forwards then backwards.
Quote from: "Whip"As for the plane, that is some real quality theming. Let's hope the standards don't go anywhere below this, and we could be looking at the best-themed land in the park! :D/
Exactly, the rides may be dubious but the themeing will be sublime, looking at the HKDL art even the bins are themed as toys, I mean, this is some level of detail =D>
Also, I hope the next thing they do is work on the Backlot (Parking Lot)
Amazing! I love the theming and Am i being too hopefull for soft openings when i go in July! haha!
Looking good but i was hoping for more from the slinky ride.
Quote from: "electricdreams"Looking good but i was hoping for more from the slinky ride.
I think because the slinky ride isn't tall and it's in the middle of the area and not the outskirts we wont see much of it until opening :( .
@WDSfans (//http://twitter.com/WDSfans): The maximum speed of RC Racer will be 76km/h (47 mph).
And
@DLPtrivia (//http://twitter.com/DLPtrivia): The new Walt Disney Imagineering book reveals a Hamm based attraction called "When Pigs Fly" was considered for Toy Story Playland.
Just two interesting Twitter-facts ;)
WEll we got back last night, and even though we had a great time, seeing the construction showed this to be worse than I feared.... :evil:
how so?
So... lately , i was thinking , but you know , i made my last toy story playland , so here it is... online on Youtube! ;)
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- we might get back sooner then you wish , so stay tuned! -
Quote from: "DopeyDad"how so?
You can see these carnival rides from a number of other areas of the park, and the tram tour seems really fragmented now too. Plus these are all slow loading low capacity rides. Sure people will enjoy them, and my kids want to try the area out, but seeing it in real life in test mode it is definately more Blackpool/6 Flags than Disney.
oh! is it finished?
No, not yet, but having grown up around Disney parks for over 35 years, it is looking like the concept art, which is also the antithesis of what Walt was shooting for in his parks.
if you say so
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"No, not yet, but having grown up around Disney parks for over 35 years, it is looking like the concept art, which is also the antithesis of what Walt was shooting for in his parks.
I think that you and I agree in a disagree-ing kind of way!
The concept of TSPL is strong. It is a child's imaginative playground for his toys, oversized for us to enjoy. I get and I like the concept. I like the look of the concept art and the subsequent execution of the rides.
I think the area will be a good addition to Disneyland Paris.
Where I disapprove of the idea is that the area does not fit in with the original concept of the Studios park. The park needs to reassess its place and identity. If it was less of a Studios idea and more of "Disney's Imagination Park" I think the whole idea would work better and the TSPL would be less of a sore thumb.
As for Walt's ideas. I have always believed his central thoughts to be: An area where Adults and Children could play together as a family and that Disneyland should never be finished. We should always keep moving forward.
The core idea was that story and imagination should be king, I think TSPL fits well with Walt Disney, it is the lack of cohesion and coherence in the design and concept of the Studios park that is really annoying.
great update DisneyDavid but always so amazed how you have no body walking int he background!
Nice to see that I'm not the only one who dislikes TSPL. The idea behind TSPL is not so bad, the land really doesn't fit into the Studios Park. If Disney had chosen smaller rides I would be fine. The whole Hollywood feeling is destroyed when you stand in front of the ToT and you look to your right and you see this ugly green tower. At least it is not built in the Disneyland Park, like in Hong Kong.
I've just received the new WDI book, unfortunately I haven't seen any TSPL concept arts in the book. When you read this book with these great pictures and concept arts of all the attractions, it makes you a little bit angry about TSPL.
Now all my hopes lie on the Ratatouille dark ride.
Quote from: "dagobert"Nice to see that I'm not the only one who dislikes TSPL. The idea behind TSPL is not so bad, the land really doesn't fit into the Studios Park. If Disney had chosen smaller rides I would be fine. The whole Hollywood feeling is destroyed when you stand in front of the ToT and you look to your right and you see this ugly green tower. At least it is not built in the Disneyland Park, like in Hong Kong.
I was going to say, although our standards for a second Disney park in a Resot shouldn't be lower, they normally are (cue TimmyTimmyTimmy with a DisneySea comment ;) only kidding) But Just think about our pals over in HKDL, i Would go and rip it down myself if TSPL was built in a MAGIC KINGDOM stlye park! I would die! How awful for them, also they made the mistake of putting it behind on the left of fantasyland.
"Look mum there's the castle...with a huge green tower and orange track behind it :o "
The thing is everyone has got a good point. I like the idea of TSPL. Its great to have more rides in the park and our kids (and me-but not RC too scary! :lol:!) want to ride them. I think the idea of TSPL is great-being in Andys backyard and the rides (yes they are off the top of the shelf) are fun. Bringing greenery to such a bare place (as I have said before I havent been since TOT and Hollywood Blvd opened-so just remember studios being very grey) is wonderful.
(BTW- like the video DisneyDave-bloopers is good too :lol:)
But its a shame (was going to put worried but sounded too melodramatic) that the rides ae so visible from other parts of the park. The theming is at a juxtposition to everything else in Studios.
Montaguewarner-well said-Can you imagine if we saw these poking over our beloved castle? Then I would be meoldramatic and say I was seriously worried!
I am just hoping our imagineers have a big plan in mind. Why should Studios be second best?
I am feeling :s :| :? Can I sit on the fence on this one for a while longer-maybe even til August?
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Slinky Dog is looking good... :P
Also notice the baby monitor prop on the far right, the lincoln logs in the middle and the Ball... the themeing is all coming together now! :thumbs:
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Well - now we are close(r) to a final product... And I am a bit :(/ :)
Bad things:
I still do not like the choice of attractions - mainly because of their capacity and a bit because of their "wildness" being a kids-orientated area.
It fits in no way within the theme of the studio - unless some kind of story-making of you visiting the Toy Story set will be highlighted in the last minute.
And the worst argument - too much Toy Story in the resort! :lol:
Good things:
It has bright colors (except the army green) which will lighten up the studios a bit.
The themening around the land and queues seems great - sorry the attractions themselves lack it a bit.
It is yet another step away from the "parking lot" feel that everyone has been tired of (me included).
3 -'s and 3 +'s - I will put the final thoughts on it when I have seen it in July and maybe in action in my very much pre-planning-state christmas trip.
There has also released some pictures about the forest that have been cut down for... RATATOUILLE!!!
BTW. We want to orginise a Toystory Play Day! on august 18/19 (on saterday!) , I , David , and the boy on this vid. will be there also;)
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Quote from: "montaguewarner"Quote from: "dagobert"Nice to see that I'm not the only one who dislikes TSPL. The idea behind TSPL is not so bad, the land really doesn't fit into the Studios Park. If Disney had chosen smaller rides I would be fine. The whole Hollywood feeling is destroyed when you stand in front of the ToT and you look to your right and you see this ugly green tower. At least it is not built in the Disneyland Park, like in Hong Kong.
I was going to say, although our standards for a second Disney park in a Resot shouldn't be lower, they normally are (cue TimmyTimmyTimmy with a DisneySea comment ;) only kidding) But Just think about our pals over in HKDL, i Would go and rip it down myself if TSPL was built in a MAGIC KINGDOM stlye park! I would die! How awful for them, also they made the mistake of putting it behind on the left of fantasyland.
"Look mum there's the castle...with a huge green tower and orange track behind it :o "
A playland is great idea. It may even fit very well in a Magic Kingdom. There is a place to discover jungles, the future and fairytales... and a place to play, where visitors are equals to the toys. But toys do NOT fit in any way in movie and tv studio. There is nothing in the toys that has anything to do with studios more than the fact that the Toy Story movies were made in one. Just odd to have a movie park... and a playland. Just as odd as Carsland in DCA. The difference is that Carsland will be great. It´s the way the rides look and take over the entire park they are placed in WDS that any true Walt Disney Disneyland fan would hate.
Toy Story the way it is being made in Paris and Hong Kong is not a god thing. WDS needs to get themed and HKDL just need new rides in excisting lands. As I have said a hundred times. This project is looking worse and worse. It amazes me that they don´t plant more trees in the park to hide those orange things sticking up everywhere.
If you can´t build a good thing don´t build anything at all!
...by the way... DisneySEA is getting yet another carnival type of ride. The park has an entire area with these types of rides. The difference is that the carnival rides areas in DisneySEA look amazing! It´s like entering another world. One can almost feel the spirit of Walt Disney when inside DisneySEA, Tokyo´s second gate and the best themepark in the world.
I keep seeing the phrase carnival ride coming up time and again but isnt that what a lot of Disney rides are, Lancelots Carousel, Dumbo, Flying Carpets, even POTC (my favourite ride) is a variation on a log flume but what makes them great and Disney is the themeing. Were all judging unfinished rides where the Disney element has still to be added, give it a chance you may be surprised on opening day
Quote from: "RockNRoller"I keep seeing the phrase carnival ride coming up time and again but isnt that what a lot of Disney rides are, Lancelots Carousel, Dumbo, Flying Carpets, even POTC (my favourite ride) is a variation on a log flume but what makes them great and Disney is the themeing. Were all judging unfinished rides where the Disney element has still to be added, give it a chance you may be surprised on opening day
Fantasyland never was the big pride of any Disneyland. That´s why they change it all of the time. The one in Paris looks good enough though...
POTC is nothing alike what is being built in WDS, that is for sure.
WDS is not a carnival!!... oh yea... now it is.
...element schmelements. It´s cheap and elements are kept at a minimum.
POTC... now there are some elements!
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...element schmelements. It´s cheap and elements are kept at a minimum.
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WDS isn't a carnival a small area of it is being worked on not the whole park and how can you say there are no elements, what about the tinker toys and the bamboo and all the oversized props, so its not as extensive as POTC, you cant expect every ride to be a POTC or PM or TOT
Sorry you didn't say no elements, my bad but there are still some good elements
Quote from: "RockNRoller"[quote="TimmyTimmyTimmy WDS is not a carnival!!... oh yea... now it is.
...element schmelements. It´s cheap and elements are kept at a minimum.
POTC... now there are some elements!
WDS isn't a carnival a small area of it is being worked on not the whole park and how can you say there are no elements, what about the tinker toys and the bamboo and all the oversized props, so its not as extensive as POTC, you cant expect every ride to be a POTC or PM or TOT[/quote]
That´s the thing. Every ride should be as well done as POTC or atleast close to it. Dumbo and co will always be carnival rides but they are created like 60 years ago. Anything made by Disney today should be better than that. POTC should be the standard. WDS is just a mish mash of parking lots, fake backdrops and now carnival toys in a garden of... bamboo.
Bamboo... why?! They could atleast have created fake giant grass and flowers to place in the forefront so that it looked like toys on the ground and not giant orange ...things... in a bamboo garden.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "RockNRoller"[quote="TimmyTimmyTimmy WDS is not a carnival!!... oh yea... now it is.
...element schmelements. It´s cheap and elements are kept at a minimum.
POTC... now there are some elements!
WDS isn't a carnival a small area of it is being worked on not the whole park and how can you say there are no elements, what about the tinker toys and the bamboo and all the oversized props, so its not as extensive as POTC, you cant expect every ride to be a POTC or PM or TOT
That´s the thing. Every ride should be as well done as POTC or atleast close to it. Dumbo and co will always be carnival rides but they are created like 60 years ago. Anything made by Disney today should be better than that. POTC should be the standard. WDS is just a mish mash of parking lots, fake backdrops and now carnival toys in a garden of... bamboo.
Bamboo... why?! They could atleast have created fake giant grass and flowers to place in the forefront so that it looked like toys on the ground and not giant orange ...things... in a bamboo garden.[/quote]
Couldnt agree more, POTC, PM, TOT should be the standard however I guess it all comes down to money. I dont know what TSPL is costing (anyone?) but its probably not as much as a POTC, whilst we may or may not like TSPL people will be attracted to it, particularily kids who will pester Mum and Dad to buy the merchandise which will bring in the money for the next POTC.
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Why have that entrance on the left? Thats some long way round!
And what purpose does the costum building hold? Its HUGE! Is it really needed? If that could go, they could have one large 'Toon' area of the studio's. All they'd need to do is add a few filming props to the area (Flying carpets style) and ta da, it would all fit it so much better!
Like what most people are saying, the TSPL idea is massive, and it WILL do wonders for the park, I just wish they could have been a bit more subtle with the rides, or have it in a different location.
I think a lot more people would like it if it wasn't in the centre of the Studio's. If they built this where the Costum building is, it would be much more popular, I bet!
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yup, if they can just sort out the visual intrusion to ToT etc, and hopefully they will at some point be able to do this with better Hollywood Boulevard placemaking. They knew the heights of these rides at the beginning of design so they could at least have some idea of tackling this (they were balloon height testing June 2008). Without the intrusion, and after Rat etc and who knows what with the costume building, I see no reason why TSPL won't fit very well into a general Toon area. exit Studio 1, Turn right to Toon/Pixar and Left to Movies. But I guess it depends on when/if they deal with it.
It's not brilliant but here's a video that I came across on DCP of TSPL from the Tram tour...
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In my opinion it will actually make the STT a little less boring being able to see into TSPL. Its nice seeing things from a different angle sometimes.
I heard that they are making a path for ratatouille allready! (wdsfans on twitter!)
Disney Central Plaza is reporting on in Facebook that Mr John Lasseter himself is visiting the TSPL site today!
Some news I posted on WDSfans and Twitter yesterday. The giant Buzz Lightyear will occasionally say his catch phrases like he does in toy-mode in the movies. You know... "I'm Buzz Lightyear... I come in peace".
Quote from: "Kristof"Some news I posted on WDSfans and Twitter yesterday. The giant Buzz Lightyear will occasionally say his catch phrases like he does in toy-mode in the movies. You know... "I'm Buzz Lightyear... I come on peace".
ohhhhh sooo coooool :D thanks 4 the update Kristof
QuoteI come on peace
Amazing how just one letter can change the meaning of a catchphrase.
Quote from: "Alan"QuoteI come on peace
Amazing how just one letter can change the meaning of a catchphrase.
Oh...
Anyway... not so sure about this, it could be a bit odd if he just stands there and suddenly says something, unless he has a face like the AA in Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast, and it could end up being repetitive and annoying
Quote from: "Alan"QuoteI come on peace
Amazing how just one letter can change the meaning of a catchphrase.
:lol:
oooo the fact he speaks sounds great to me!!!! much more fun :D
Quote from: "SM:M3"Quote from: "Alan"QuoteI come on peace
Amazing how just one letter can change the meaning of a catchphrase.
Oh...
Anyway... not so sure about this, it could be a bit odd if he just stands there and suddenly says something, unless he has a face like the AA in Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast, and it could end up being repetitive and annoying
No, I think this is a good idea. When Andy press buzz's buttons and he recites his catchphrase his mouth doesn't move. Aslong as it's not too loud and frequent it should be a pretty cool effect :).
Quote from: "Kristof"Some news I posted on WDSfans and Twitter yesterday. The giant Buzz Lightyear will occasionally say his catch phrases like he does in toy-mode in the movies. You know... "I'm Buzz Lightyear... I come on peace".
any idea how this is going to work yet, i.e. will it just speak random, or will it be movement activated?
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"When Andy press buzz's buttons and he recites his catchphrase his mouth doesn't move.
Exactly, that's the idea.
It´s good to know what is going on. People here seme amazed by the news that Buzz will speak:)
Meanwhile in Florida they have a new Harry Potter land with a ride that semes amazing aswell.
I still think that Buzz will look odd if he talks but is stationary, but anyway...
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New pics from Disney Gazette :D
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The RC Racer car looks really good. That's the only thing that could qualify the ride as a Disney ride.
In my opinion the should plant more bamboos.
Quote from: "dagobert"In my opinion the should plant more bamboos.
The Bamboo will really grow a lot from now, so we just have to wait...
Bamboo sends off shoots and fills areas out so if they pack it out now to give us an impact there will be no room to move in a few years time.
ooooo update pics looking fantastic!! I can't wait to see it for real!!
Apart from the colouful rides, its going to be very Adenture Isle-ness. Which would be good for the Studio's, to have a bit of colour.
Just got back from the parks last night and I have to agree with comments others have made about visual intrusion...you'll be able to see the ToT from everywhere :evil: still maybe they can cover it by some placemaking :-"
Slightly off topic, has anyone noticed how old and ragged the fake hollywood boulevard facades have become? Almost all of them are peeling as badly as the HOLLYWOOD sign over Studio Tram Tours. Looks terrible up close.
In all seriousness, maybe this gives us hope that eventually a more permanent additions to the boulevard in the future will help the whole parks continuity and address intrusion from TSPL to ToT area and so on.
with regards to visual intrusion that everyone goes on about, in the Disneyland park you can see SMM2 from riding on Mark Twain and you can see the castle from adventure isle and you can see btm from indiana and you can see other attractions from other lands so im not sure what all the fuss is about
None of those attractions looks like something you can find at a street carnival. Besides, this is why I prefer the original Disneyland in California. It is smaller than DLP, but it has more attractions and most of the time, you can only see the attractions in their own themed environments.
Entrance signage has gone up, and the lights are being placed!
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Some of the stuff inside the parachute drop hanger thingy
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Source: DCP
The theming is getting better and better :D
Or worse and worse, dependent on your perspective
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Or worse and worse, dependent on your perspective
Yeah... That true...
But I'm one of those people who likes TSPL ;)
I'm actually fairly happy with Toy Story Playland now. Sure, it's no Wizarding World of Harry Potter but let's face it, nothing like that will ever get built in Paris. Toy Story Playland aims low, yet Disney would happily build it at Walt Disney World or Disneyland California. It's American Disney quality, it's got the support of John Lasseter; it's not some cheap French imitation.
It's really Disneyland Paris' equivalent of A Bug's Land at Disney California Adventure. Nothing major, just an attractive addition to the park, aimed mainly at kids.
Quote from: "Alan"I'm actually fairly happy with Toy Story Playland now. Sure, it's no Wizarding World of Harry Potter but let's face it, nothing like that will ever get built in Paris. Toy Story Playland aims low, yet Disney would happily build it at Walt Disney World or Disneyland California. It's American Disney quality, it's got the support of John Lasseter; it's not some cheap French imitation.
It's really Disneyland Paris' equivalent of A Bug's Land at Disney California Adventure. Nothing major, just an attractive addition to the park, aimed mainly at kids.
I've never experienced "A Bug's Land" so I don't know what it looks like. I always compare TSPL with Chester and Hester's Dinorama in DAK at WDW. For me this is one of the ugliest places in any Disney park I 've ever been. Compared to this TSPL looks good. I don't hate TSPL, I just think it doesn't fit into WDS. Why is Andy's backyard in a studio?
Okay I hate the parachute tower, because this attraction looks really ugly.
In recent years nothing like the Wizarding World of HP got build in any Disney park, except for Tokyo. In my opinion WDI lost it's creativity a little bit. The last great NEW attractions Disney built were Soarin' and Expedition Everest. ToT in Paris is just a copy. The same is happening at DCA. I'm sure Carsland will be great, but the main ride relies on the technology of Test Track. Universal invented a complete new ride technology for HP. TLM attraction uses the omnimover. Maybe Ratatouille or Mystic Manor will be something new. A few days ago I received the new WDI book with all the great concept arts of great rides built around the world. And Paris gets TSPL.
Nevertheless I have to admit that the theming of the land (not the rides) looks nice.
Quote from: "smurfy74"with regards to visual intrusion that everyone goes on about, in the Disneyland park you can see SMM2 from riding on Mark Twain and you can see the castle from adventure isle and you can see btm from indiana and you can see other attractions from other lands so im not sure what all the fuss is about
You are right, but SM is ot just 10 meters away from Thunder Mesa, while Andy's backxard with the parachute tower is right behind Hollywood. When you are strolling around you are fully immersed into Frontierland and you can't see SM, but I admit you can see ToT.
You can't see TSPL strolling around frontier land. From the second lift of Big Thunder its fairly clear, but still dwarfed by ToT and still less obvious than Space Mountain, the Castle, parts of Main Street and the Disneyland Hotel.
QuoteIn recent years nothing like the Wizarding World of HP got build in any Disney park, except for Tokyo. In my opinion WDI lost it's creativity a little bit.
Hehe there are 2 funny things about it, first the wizarding world of harry potter got designed
by an ex disney imagineer and the second, WDI has a lot of good ideas, but the suits who need
a 13 month payment of 30 million dollars stop them to bring up the good stuff.
look at DCA franchize bob just gave his okay to all movie themed attraction, nothing original ect.
i think this is the new way disney is going, and thats just because some of them don´t believe anymore
in the disney product.
there is one thing why i miss eigner, he really let dreams of the imagineers come true,
first DLP and then TDS and a lot of new original attraction, not really movie based, why cant franchize bob
do this!!!
Its Rex!
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Source: DCP
Quite a find over on NewsDLRP.com,
The dates for TSPL's soft openings!
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It says...
11th, 12th and 13th of August 2010 are the planned soft opening dates :lol:
And it also says something about "Projections Toy Story" in the CineMagique theatre? Are they going to be showing Toy Story films!! :?
EDIT: here's the source ;) //http://www.newsdlrp.com/dlp-89-dates-des-softs-openning-de-toy-story-playland.html
looking at it as well they seem to be doing it a few days before, so perhaps they are showing the Toy Story movies?
Quote from: "JelleP"@WDSfans (//http://twitter.com/WDSfans): The maximum speed of RC Racer will be 76km/h (47 mph).
And
@DLPtrivia (//http://twitter.com/DLPtrivia): The new Walt Disney Imagineering book reveals a Hamm based attraction called "When Pigs Fly" was considered for Toy Story Playland.
Just two interesting Twitter-facts ;)
Cool what type of ride was when pigs fly.
Quote from: "disneyrules"Quote from: "JelleP"@WDSfans (//http://twitter.com/WDSfans): The maximum speed of RC Racer will be 76km/h (47 mph).
And
@DLPtrivia (//http://twitter.com/DLPtrivia): The new Walt Disney Imagineering book reveals a Hamm based attraction called "When Pigs Fly" was considered for Toy Story Playland.
Just two interesting Twitter-facts ;)
Cool what type of ride was when pigs fly.
The rendering shows 4 guests in a pig shaped car, similar to Dumbo or Orbitron
Is there a link for this new imagineering book? I've heard about it everywhere, but can't seem to find it..
The book is called "Walt Disney Imagineering: A Behind the Dreams Look at Making More Magic Real" and you will find it on Amazon.com. It's a great book and really worth the money. I'm sure the book is also available at DLRP.
@WDSFans: "Interesting Toy Story Playland article reveals more details"
Newsreel, an official magazine for The Walt Disney Company Cast Members, featured last month an interesting article on Toy Story Playland.
Imagineer Tom Fitzgerald reveals these interesting details:
- Benches are fashioned from Lincoln Logs
- Wall constructed of dominoes
- Trash cans designed to look like wooden blocks
- 14-foot-tall talking Buzz Lightyear action figure at one entrance
- Barrel of Monkey's at second entrance
- Tinkertoys lampposts
- Oversized holiday lights
- Andy's enormous but subtle footprints on the walkway
- Green Army Men Training Camp (queue) features life-sized green army men, a quonset hut, a plastic jeep, crates, a lookout station and a baby monitor.
- Cast Member costumes with oversized buttons.
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wow , that looks more like it ;)
guys , when i saw this pictures... it doesn't looked like the Studios anymore...!
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That's the second entrance, right?
With the "Barrel of Monkey's" near the Rat. attraction ( :D )
I believe what you can see in the foreground is the Parisian themed path. Look at those two columns, the single tree planted in the pavement and the brickwork on the ground. Not at all Toy Story themed is it? This really is the start of the Ratatouille ride.
Quote from: "Alan"I believe what you can see in the foreground is the Parisian themed path. Look at those two columns, the single tree planted in the pavement and the brickwork on the ground. Not at all Toy Story themed is it? This really is the start of the Ratatouille ride.
"I'm so exited!" :wink:
Quote from: "JelleP"@WDSFans: "Interesting Toy Story Playland article reveals more details"
Newsreel, an official magazine for The Walt Disney Company Cast Members, featured last month an interesting article on Toy Story Playland.
Imagineer Tom Fitzgerald reveals these interesting details:
- Benches are fashioned from Lincoln Logs
- Wall constructed of dominoes
- Trash cans designed to look like wooden blocks
- 14-foot-tall talking Buzz Lightyear action figure at one entrance
- Barrel of Monkey's at second entrance
- Tinkertoys lampposts
- Oversized holiday lights
- Andy's enormous but subtle footprints on the walkway
- Green Army Men Training Camp (queue) features life-sized green army men, a quonset hut, a plastic jeep, crates, a lookout station and a baby monitor.
- Cast Member costumes with oversized buttons.
Read the entire article here! (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/wdsfans/news/upload/newsreel_tspl.jpg)
Sounds awsome! Really cannot wait now!!
sure , me neither. Too bad, i will be there on July 17th...
Quote from: "JelleP"- Benches are fashioned from Lincoln Logs
- Wall constructed of dominoes
- Trash cans designed to look like wooden blocks
- 14-foot-tall talking Buzz Lightyear action figure at one entrance
- Barrel of Monkeys at second entrance
- Tinkertoys lampposts
- Oversized holiday lights
- Andy's enormous but subtle footprints on the walkway
- Green Army Men Training Camp (queue) features life-sized green army men, a quonset hut, a plastic jeep, crates, a lookout station and a baby monitor.
- Cast Member costumes with oversized buttons.
As the author of the most comprehensive Disneyland Paris trash can listing (haha):
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...I find this very exciting! Will they be repainted standard trash cans or a new kind? Only time will tell.
In any case, the level of detail is a great leap forward for the Studios.
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Hey, those planters with those nice pillars, are they new?
oh wow!! the details sound amazing!!! especially the cast memebers costumes.... only 64 days and I can see it for real!!!! I think my camera will be very worn when I get back!!!
The information board is being replaced to accomodate the new TSPL rides!
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It's opening on the 17th of august...really?!
That sucks, I'll be there on the 15th and 16th :lol:
It opens officially on the 17th of August 2010. But all attractions have a soft opening, so I'm sure Toy Story Playland will be open (periodically) at least two weeks before the grand opening. There's no guarantee, but you should be fine.
I really really really hope so!
Since I don't know if I can afford another trip this year :P
Quote from: "Festival Disney"Quite a find over on NewsDLRP.com,
The dates for TSPL's soft openings!
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It says...
11th, 12th and 13th of August 2010 are the planned soft opening dates :lol:
And it also says something about "Projections Toy Story" in the CineMagique theatre? Are they going to be showing Toy Story films!! :?
EDIT: here's the source ;) //http://www.newsdlrp.com/dlp-89-dates-des-softs-openning-de-toy-story-playland.html
I posted the soft opening dates above :P
the 11, 12 & 13 of August :thumbs:
Damn...we're really there at the wrong dates!
Guess I'll go and have to save up more money when I get back from my summer holidays then! ;)
Quote from: "SM:M3"Quote from: "disneyrules"Quote from: "JelleP"@WDSfans (//http://twitter.com/WDSfans): The maximum speed of RC Racer will be 76km/h (47 mph).
And
@DLPtrivia (//http://twitter.com/DLPtrivia): The new Walt Disney Imagineering book reveals a Hamm based attraction called "When Pigs Fly" was considered for Toy Story Playland.
Just two interesting Twitter-facts ;)
Cool what type of ride was when pigs fly.
The rendering shows 4 guests in a pig shaped car, similar to Dumbo or Orbitron
Thank you for answering :thumbs:
I really have to get the book.
From another site:
QuoteAnd a Ratatouille ride in Disneyland PARIS. Ooh. I can see it now. 'Come to Walt Disney Studios Paris and ride Ratatouille, where you can have an amazing adventure on the streets of.........Paris'
Yay? I don't know about anyone else but part of going to a theme park for me is to escape to magical mysterious lands I would never get to experience in real life, not see a recreation of a city which is literally within an hour away.
Interesting point really.
Quote from: "Martyn"From another site:
QuoteAnd a Ratatouille ride in Disneyland PARIS. Ooh. I can see it now. 'Come to Walt Disney Studios Paris and ride Ratatouille, where you can have an amazing adventure on the streets of.........Paris'
Yay? I don't know about anyone else but part of going to a theme park for me is to escape to magical mysterious lands I would never get to experience in real life, not see a recreation of a city which is literally within an hour away.
Interesting point really.
Interesting point indeed, but invalid in my opinion. Ratatouille isn't the first Disney attraction to be themed in the location of where the park is. If we go over to Anaheim what will we find? Disney California Adventure, an entire park dedicated to the state it lies on! Yeah it might look a little different now from it did in 2001 but the meaning behind is still there, a celebration of California, but I'm getting off topic here...
I'm just trying to say it's not unusual to see something like this happen with Disney, hey I'd be happy to see more of it.
Quote from: "Martyn"From another site:
QuoteAnd a Ratatouille ride in Disneyland PARIS. Ooh. I can see it now. 'Come to Walt Disney Studios Paris and ride Ratatouille, where you can have an amazing adventure on the streets of.........Paris'
Yay? I don't know about anyone else but part of going to a theme park for me is to escape to magical mysterious lands I would never get to experience in real life, not see a recreation of a city which is literally within an hour away.
Interesting point really.
That same person thinks Tower of Terror is terrible and is in the wrong place, so yeah, I don't listen to what that person has to say.
I'm still unhappy it's another Pixar attraction (can they just hurry up and re-name this area Pixar land or whatever) but I think this will be a very popular attraction. It's not like you can go on a journey with Remy in the real Paris is it? It's still taking you on a journey which you wouldn't be able to do outside of a theme park.
Look who's arrived!!! 8)
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It's buzz! Source: DCP facebook
check him out already over-towering lol
kind of looks good but still dont think it should be there
Quote from: "bigrossco"check him out already over-towering lol
kind of looks good but still dont think it should be there
I'm still one of those persons who think it fits perfectly in Toon Studios.
I'm not saying it's really good, just that it fits into Toon Studios :thumbs:
that is true, but feel that the money could of been much better spent on even a bigger attraction rather than 3 smaller attractions
Seeing Buzz there in reality, I'm almost won over. It is more of a draw than a generic robot would have been. As with the whole land though, it's going to take a lot of maintenance to keep this land looking shiny, plasticy and new. With so many outdoor props, let's hope it doesn't end up like Alice's Curious Labyrinth did, unless Euro Disney SCA have put those days behind them.
About Ratatouille: Personally the Parisian-themed area/ride in Disneyland Paris makes perfect sense to me. I'd guess that more visitors to DLP are foreign to Paris than visitors to DLR are foreign to California (obviously a much bigger state), so this area will allow them to get that taste of visiting Paris without leaving the resort. Not everyone takes the RER ride into the city. It should actually give the parks a good bit of local grounding - currently there's not a lot at DLP besides the language to show for the fact that you're just 30mins from Paris, which seems like a bit of a waste. Besides, this is the Ratatouille version of Paris, whereas the problem at DCA always looked not like the California theme itself but the cheap, tacky way it was executed in most places.
So much hope from one little wall. :)
Buzz looks as stupid as TSPL to me.
Nothing can save the park now. Disney could sell it to who ever owns Six Flaggs.
I'd rather have this Buzz than the one in Discoveryland.
Quote from: "Anthony"I'd rather have this Buzz than the one in Discoveryland.
Agreed!
Quote from: "Anthony"Seeing Buzz there in reality, I'm almost won over. It is more of a draw than a generic robot would have been. As with the whole land though, it's going to take a lot of maintenance to keep this land looking shiny, plasticy and new. With so many outdoor props, let's hope it doesn't end up like Alice's Curious Labyrinth did, unless Euro Disney SCA have put those days behind them.
Hopefully not. However, this year, it does seem that Disney have started to get the idea that they need to maintain their attractions and with Studio 1 and the extensive works in the Park, such as the castle bridge and the rides, I think one of the benefits of TSPL is that they have been able to spend time, effort and cost on refurbs. Hopefully, in the future, with a better economic background, they will be able to afford both new big rides and the important refurbs.
Quote from: "Anthony"I'd rather have this Buzz than the one in Discoveryland.
I have to agree with you. I'm still angry on Disney that they put Buzz into Discoveryland. I like the ride, but in my opinion the whole Discoveryland theme is ruined. Buzz would fit so much better in the Studios.
I have to admit that Buzz doesn't look bad, but I'm still a member of the group which thinks TSPL doesn't fit into the Studios.
Quote from: "Adam"Quote from: "Anthony"Seeing Buzz there in reality, I'm almost won over. It is more of a draw than a generic robot would have been. As with the whole land though, it's going to take a lot of maintenance to keep this land looking shiny, plasticy and new. With so many outdoor props, let's hope it doesn't end up like Alice's Curious Labyrinth did, unless Euro Disney SCA have put those days behind them.
Hopefully not. However, this year, it does seem that Disney have started to get the idea that they need to maintain their attractions and with Studio 1 and the extensive works in the Park, such as the castle bridge and the rides, I think one of the benefits of TSPL is that they have been able to spend time, effort and cost on refurbs. Hopefully, in the future, with a better economic background, they will be able to afford both new big rides and the important refurbs.
I really hope that these days are gone, but as long as some parts of the park, e.g. pirate ship, look so bad, I don't think these days are gone. Just because the Studio 1 facade looks great doesn't mean that the rest of the resort will look this way in the future. There has to be refurbishment going on every day to fix everything. I know that there is not enough money to do this, butI'm also sure Disney could save a lot of money if the could avoid these big refurbishment projects. So I think some constant TLC would keep the park cleaner and in a better shape.
Quote from: "bigrossco"that is true, but feel that the money could of been much better spent on even a bigger attraction rather than 3 smaller attractions
I totally agree with you. I know the park lacks rides for children, but in my opinion just Slinky Dog ZigZag is for children. So it would have been better to build something else instead of the parachute tower and RC Racer.
Buzz in Discoveryland should be regarded as a crime and is from my point of view THE worst thing about DLP. This one atleast look as... colorfull as TSPL.
Buzz looks awsome! Getting more and more excited about this now! It really is going to be like a big kids playground!yay!
Loving Buzz peaking over the top there! :lol:
At first i was a bit skeptical about the TSPL concept, but it looks great so far.
And for the people who don't think it fits with the studios, be glad they're not having it built in the main park like HKDL :P
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One thing I want to say about Toy Story Playland. I think it's a mistake that they changed from having a massive Woody at the entrance, to a massive Buzz Lightyear. They should've stuck with Woody. He's more unique and hasn't been used as much.
Buzz Lightyear already features in his own ride Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast, with multiple Buzz Lightyear figures in the queue and during the ride. Plus there's already a larger-than-life Buzz Lightyear outside the ride's entrance in Discoveryland. I mean, how many large Buzz Lightyears does one resort need? If it carries on like this, Disney will start putting Buzz Lightyears outside the entrance of EVERY attraction :D
Woody really would've made more sense. But I guess the decision was a marketing one. Buzz sells more toys than Woody.
that picture is such a mess of junk, not cool at all. Just like the concept art, only more expensive
Alan I have to agree with you. Woody would have been better since Buzz is already in Discoveryland. It looks like that the marketing department is ruling TWDC. Otherwise it couldn't be explained why Toy Story and the princesses (future Fantasyland in MK) are featured so much in the parks. WDI is the executive arm of the marketing department.
Can anyone tell me what this is? The RC Racer building?
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QuoteWoody would have been better since Buzz is already in Discoveryland.
Woody's already featured in the Hong Kong Toy Story Land. So Paris probarely went with Buzz to give its version a unique edge.
QuoteIt looks like that the marketing department is ruling TWDC. Otherwise it couldn't be explained why Toy Story and the princesses (future Fantasyland in MK) are featured so much in the parks.
Is that marketing or Consumer Products. You missed out Cars Land by the way.
Quotethat picture is such a mess of junk, not cool at all. Just like the concept art, only more expensive
I like all the theming added and the Buzz. Its just how tacky looking the rides like RC Racer are that is ruining it for me.
The latest picture shows all the detail is up. Do you think previews could begin soon. I know August is the date mentioned. But I would not be suprised to see previews begin in July.
Update since writing the above news that three Annual Passholders preview dates have been annouced for August 14th, 15th and 16th. http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pi ... 8714015614 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=13127662&id=278714015614%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
More pics of Buzz!
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Source: Disney Gazette
How the devil is he going to talk?
Hmm, phh, hmm - not sure what to say about the giant Buzz... I'm looking forward to see it a bit closer, but so far my judgement:
Good things:
- The amount of details - I mean even the trash cans are themed.
- The queuing areas seem to be very good - on the outside aswell as on the inside.
- Greenery in the Studios!
Bad things:
- The attractions - they are a bit to tacky. I mean with such great themening on the queue buildings I am sure they could have made more details and themening on the attractions.
- The lack of an story - is it a set or just an overdimensioned playland in the middle of a studio (Toon Studio)?
- The lack of shops, restaurant and the most important toilettes.
However, I will save my final judgment until I have experienced it in person - if not in July hopefully soon (december).
Quote from: "pussinboots"How the devil is he going to talk?
Just with a speaker in his back or something, I guess. He won't move, which is a shame... :cry:
EDIT;
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Source: DLP.info (//http://www.dlp.info/)
From DLP.info
"However, the maybe most interesting news is hidden in the small print details next to a photo of the (in the meantime) rather well known model of the area. There it reads: "Slinky Dog ZigZag Spin twirls you 'round and 'round aboard Andy's favorite toy dog. Guests can play a game made exclusively for the attraction on the inside of Slinky Dog's packaging box as they wait in the queue." This is the first mentioning of any "game" to entertain guests waiting for any of the attractions at Toy Story Playland. While guests in line for "Soarin'" at EPCOT (in Walt Disney World) are invited to play an interactive game involving projections and the queue lines for the new version of the Dumbo rides supposed to be part of the Fantasyland expansion at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom are supposed to incorporate an interactive experience, Slinky Dog ZigZag Spin would be the first attraction in Disneyland Paris to feature a game to entertain guests while waiting. However, what kind of game ... that is still a secret of Imagineering..."
sounds like a little bit more of what people wanted to see in this land.
....and cue interest and excitement followed by growling about intrusion, wrong location and Disney losing its way, oh and probably a mention of Disneysea.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"that picture is such a mess of junk, not cool at all. Just like the concept art, only more expensive
Oh come on, most of that picture is construction wall. Clearly a lot of people have decided the only way forward for DLRP is big expensive rides, these three rides in a themed area are what the Studios need for the younger fan, dont forget that when Walt decided to build his first park he was sitting in the middle of a fair ground, have to agree with Alan though, getting a bit fed up with Buzz, Woody would have been better.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"From DLP.info
....and cue interest and excitement followed by growling about intrusion, wrong location and Disney losing its way, oh and probably a mention of Disneysea.
Hmm im interested and a little excited, however I cant help but feel its in the wrong place, could possibly intrusive. I do wonder if Disney are losing their way oh and even though I haven't been there I have the urge to mention Disneysea :-"
Quote from: "RockNRoller"Quote from: "DopeyDad"From DLP.info
....and cue interest and excitement followed by growling about intrusion, wrong location and Disney losing its way, oh and probably a mention of Disneysea.
Hmm im interested and a little excited, however I cant help but feel its in the wrong place, could possibly intrusive. I do wonder if Disney are losing their way oh and even though I haven't been there I have the urge to mention Disneysea :-"
I can mention DisneySEA. WDS is NOTHING next to DisneySEA. Even half DisneySEA would be sooo much more than the mess Disney call WDS.
Since it is supposed to be a playland the guests should expect nothing less than a land full of games, oversized toys and alot play areas. Anything else would be low even for TSPL.
By the way... as mentioned before... how will this new magnificent... Buzz look after a few months in the rain? and after 2-3 years? That glass on his head wont polish itself. We all know that maintaining the good looks of a park is not Disney´s forte in Paris.
DisneySEA:
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WDS:
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Somebody should call OLC for some help.........
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I got a question ; about the softopenings. i got a fantasypass , can i still enter it then? or is it just for dreampasses?
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Avant-Premieres of new shows and attractions is exclusively for Dream passholders.
Looking forward to this! I'm at the resort 11-14 august, so I can attend to the 'soft openings' during those days AND the avant-premiere for Dream passholders. Nice!
Quote from: "Tuvok"Avant-Premieres of new shows and attractions is exclusively for Dream passholders.
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hmm then i should pay a little more for it :D
Please people... don't compare Tokyo DisneySea to the WDS... :evil:
You'd think the topic title gave it away; "Toy Story Playland - Opening Late August 2010" Not "WDS vs TDS - Why I Like To Complain"
Anyway... New Photos! Merci "beber22" on DCP
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Really good pictures
And some more info on the games in the Slinky queue, they will be inspired by the games that were on the inside of the original box, which you are of course queueing inside
QuoteThey should've stuck with Woody. He's more unique and hasn't been used as much.
Yeah I totally agree with that. With more reason's than one. The main point of the first flim was about Buzz stealing all of Woody's light, and becoming the new favourite toy. He's doing the same thing at DLP too! :lol: Poor old Woody has nothing, apart from the Ranch.
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I still say this has massive potential, and will be a huge success. But as that pic on p90 shows, it really does not fit well in the Studio's!
Great to to hear about the previews, i'll be in DLP from 14 to 19 August so the soft-openings will work in my advantage :D
More pictures Of TSPL getting better and better... :D
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Enjoy! :thumbs:
I have to say it looks great in the sun, not so sure it will on a grey cold winters day... Bare trees and drizzle, the bright plastic may look tacky in the winter
Why aren't Disney advertising and promoting Toy Story Playland yet? I went to my local Disney Store the other day, and they had this huge poster for the New Generation Festival but no mention of Toy Story Playland. It seems like sheer stupidity that they're spending SO much money on a real new attraction, yet not advertising the fact that it exists. As far as the average consumer is concerned, Disneyland Paris isn't opening any new attractions this year, just a new parade.
Quote from: "Alan"Why aren't Disney advertising and promoting Toy Story Playland yet? I went to my local Disney Store the other day, and they had this huge poster for the New Generation Festival but no mention of Toy Story Playland. It seems like sheer stupidity that they're spending SO much money on a real new attraction, yet not advertising the fact that it exists. As far as the average consumer is concerned, Disneyland Paris isn't opening any new attractions this year, just a new parade.
RC Racer appeared in the TV Spot for the NGF;
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Although you're right more marketing should be done, 5 seconds of CG footage of one of the 3 attractions isn't enough.
woooooooow the buzz is HUGE!!! I am excited that next month I will be there!!!
Quote from: "-breeno-"Although you're right more marketing should be done, 5 seconds of CG footage of one of the 3 attractions isn't enough.
You're right, part of Toy Story Playland DOES appear in that advert. But if you analyse it, the advert is 40 seconds long and only 3 seconds of it shows Toy Story Playland. So that's just 7.5% of the advert designated to advertise new attractions, and the other 92.5% focusing on costumed characters and parades!
And they never actually say "Toy Story Playland" or mention a "new land". All they say is you'll see "attractions never seen before". Attractions never seen before, because they never show attractions! :-)
Maybe marketing will start to step up now we have an official opening date (something we didn't have when the original NGF advertising started).
But, I wouldn't be surprised if marketing was fairly low key (except for maybe brochures/the internet).
I'm not the biggest fans of the marketing department, I think they could do much better.
QuoteI'm not the biggest fans of the marketing department, I think they could do much better.
I argee with you on here, am also not a big fan of the department, they realy don´t
know how to promote the disney parks in paris.
it´s right now the same fault they did with the rebirth of captain eo. this would have been the cance of
the park to make adverts all over europe again, and try to get as much visitors as they can.
now this was a missed opportunity and they also will mess this with TSPL...
they need to get rid of this nobodys they have now and try to get a refreshed marketing department...
lookin good :D!
The info board is back!
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Am I the only one not to get why Backlot and Production Courtyard are spread over two boards, and not with one board each?
There is ample room for Backlot and Production Courtyard without having them sharing.
i know what you mean but its probably because three boards on each side is pleasing to the eye ... :?
Ohh, even more digital than the last, isn't it? That still had stick-on names.
Quote from: "Whip"Am I the only one not to get why Backlot and Production Courtyard are spread over two boards, and not with one board each?.
Each space now has room for 4 attractions, and Backlot only has 3 I suppose.
It's good to see they've now put attractions from Toon Studio on the right, Backlot on the left, for example, in the direction you have to walk. A simple thing but it was all messed up before. They should add some digital numbers to correspond with the map... and then in 2013, switch "Toy Story Playland" for plain "Toon Studio" and make use of that spare 4th space at the bottom, right? :)
Quote from: "Donald-Duck-Malta"More pictures Of TSPL getting better and better... :D
Or in my case, worse and worse. I hate the All Stars and Pop Century for the same reason. Cheap and tacky, and could be in any amusement park around the globe.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Donald-Duck-Malta"More pictures Of TSPL getting better and better... :D
Or in my case, worse and worse. I hate the All Stars and Pop Century for the same reason. Cheap and tacky, and could be in any amusement park around the globe.
Sooo very true.
Looks like WDS will remain THE WORST Disneypark ever a long time.
^^I agree with you and even I think you're annoying.
you know, I was going to try to make some kind of sense of the relentless hate hate hate, suggest that no one has even set foot in the dam place, and maybe...just maybe even TSPL can offer something nice to some people, even if you don't like it, and that doesn't necessarily make them Disney-ignorant and it doesn't mean they have to go to Tokyo DisneySEA either.
I was going to say all those things, but then what's the point. People had their minds made up on page 1 of this topic. Still, I may actually go there on our next visit in Oct, and maybe, who knows!, maybe my children and I will be able to have fun together there.
When I had heard the news of TSPL and looked at the concept art, I thought the idea had potential and would benefit the park. However, in the last few days, my opinion on the matter has steeply reversed - this could cause disaster for the park, making it the weakest one out all of them worldwide. Even worse than Hong Kong Disneyland and California Adventure Mk 1, and I even though that the latter wasn't too bad at the start. What's wrong with TSPL you may ask?
*The Location
* The 'variety' of rides
*The timing -opening it AFTER the film has shown at cinemas, not before or during.
If Disney were to create a Pixar park (which would be a brilliant idea in my opinion), then this would no doubt be a brilliant addition. But it isn't in a separate park, and doesn't fit in with the Studios theme at all - but then again, neither do any post-2007 additions to the studios with the exception of Hollywood Boulevard and the Tower of Terror.
Toy Story Playland worries me greatly. :(
On the plus side, the giant Buzz Lightyear figure at Toy Story Playland is a vast improvement over the one they built at Disney's All-Star Movies Resort, in 1999. That one has the face of Rosie O'Donnell. Not pretty:
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TSPL will be fun, it will bring more guests to the park and it will be as craptacular as it has looked from the very beginning. There is sooo much love love love for this project that does not compare to most things that Disney can do these days.
Why would travellers flying to far destinations want to sit on standard seats when first class could be offered for the same price on the same flight? What visitors get in WDS is standard. Disney should always or atleast most of the time be first class.
Let´s not compare the studio park with toys in it to DisneySEA. WDS even if compared to DCA looses on all points. Even an empty HKDL is better. Atleast HKDL looks good. But that will also change when the toys will ruin that park aswell.
no one but you compares TSPL with DisneySEA, thats kind of my point.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"People had their minds made up on page 1 of this topic. Still, I may actually go there on our next visit in Oct, and maybe, who knows!, maybe my children and I will be able to have fun together there.
I was saying to my hubby how ppl are putting TSPL down and hating the concept when my 6 yr old son said " I thought that they would all like TSPL because we can have fun there as a family".
Yes, he is only a 6 year old, but that is the market that DLP seem to be aiming this toward. Kids see this and parents see how excited the kid is about TSPL and may be more inclined to take a trip to see a modern Disney theme that they have got to know and love through the films and their children.
I for one am looking forward to seeing my boys eyes light up when they see the new area.
"You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway." Walt Disney
Quote from: "davewasbaloo""You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway." Walt Disney
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These words say everyting!!!!
But it's not about 'aiming only at the kids', that's completely misleading. TSPL is a part of WDS which is only now really getting a more child friendly balance. Over our past 2 visits it gotten better each time with additions like Stitch and Playhouse Live whereas most other attractions were unsuitable for young children. If people are going to keep quoting Walt as if to say 'don't build rides that children will like' then thats very disingenuous and not what he was saying at all. TSPL looks like somewhere that adults and children will be able to enjoy together, you can't do that in many places in WDS yet, and I welcome an addition that will.
I believe in being an innovator.
Walt Disney
I do not like to repeat successes, I like to go on to other things.
Walt Disney
It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
Walt Disney
We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together.
Walt Disney
We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things, because we're curious and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths.
Walt Disney
Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved.
Walt Disney
For all these quotes, I think they exemplify why I hate TSPL, and why I wish Disney would remember the principles the company were founded on.
Let's put the walt back in Disney.
quite so, I particularly like
We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together.
Walt Disney
Quote from: "DopeyDad"TSPL is a part of WDS which is only now really getting a more child friendly balance.
They need to get the balance right. The height restrictions for some of this stuff is bigger than the ones for ToT too. So they seem to be missing the mark on almost every level.
It's only our last couple of visits that our days at WDS together started to become better, partly as our eldest got older but on our last trip in June our 2yo had a great day there as well and we were all able to share in it. I can certainly see that at least for us, TSPL looks like it will add to that. And I think then that the balance will be getting better, it was too much of a teen/adult park before for us to be able to experience much of it, we always had to split up, one watching the kids and the other heading for RnRC or ToT. It's just interesting that any news, such as some kind of interactive elements in Slinky ZigZag merely poke the fire again and there's never any room to actually get a discussion about it going. What do people think it may be? How do people feel about it fitting in with Rat? When they replace the boulevard facades, will they sort the visual intrusion?
Roll on 17th August 2010, i can't wait till this place opens and we can see it for ourselves and move on. Not every new ride can be an E ticket. I'm sure Robert Iger and John Lasseter can quote Walt Disney.
I think many people will be disappointed by TSPL, especially families with smaller kids. As Davewasbaloo already said the height restrictions for the Parachute Tower and for RC Racer will exclude many children from the experience. And Disney is focusing on children.
Quote from: "MagicStar"Quote from: "davewasbaloo""You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway." Walt Disney
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These words say everyting!!!!
I am not saying it is aimed only at
kids. I think a lot of adults have grown to love Toy Story with their kids and therefore will maybe enjoy this area. Not everything aspect has to be aimed at adults either.
The height restrictions could be the bearer of bad news for Disney and some parents however!!
They will never please all of the ppl all of the time.
I did just write a long post defending TSPL and how TSPL it is a family area but I can't be bothered defending it anymore. :|
I can't wait to see some photos from the main bulk of the land, the latest shots look really great. This has turned out much better than I expected, it looks like it could be really immersive.
It is about time all these negative and unreasonable comments come to an end. From my understanding everyone on this forum is most likely a Disney Fan. It is Disney, the company we admire who has decided to create this area. We should be satisfied that something Is being built rather than nothing considering the current climate and recent investment. Some are thinking far deeper than necessary into what is simply, an early expansion to a fairly young Walt Disney Studios Park. What has been completed so far is at a standard unmatched by other operators. The Walt Disney Co has not lost its way, and will continue to impress on multiple levels. I personally look forward to opening day of what will be a positive addition to the park.
That's the spirit. Well said indeed. I'll leave the imagineers to do the imagineering. And the critics to do the criticizing.
Quote from: "danwills"It is about time all these negative and unreasonable comments come to an end. From my understanding everyone on this forum is most likely a Disney Fan. It is Disney, the company we admire who has decided to create this area. We should be satisfied that something Is being built rather than nothing considering the current climate and recent investment. Some are thinking far deeper than necessary into what is simply, an early expansion to a fairly young Walt Disney Studios Park. What has been completed so far is at a standard unmatched by other operators. The Walt Disney Co has not lost its way, and will continue to impress on multiple levels. I personally look forward to opening day of what will be a positive addition to the park.
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Couldn't agree more, love it or hate it its happening, get over it and when you finally get to see it finished and maybe actually visit try and enjoy your self. But then again if you are as violently opposed to it as some on this forum you probably wont go near it, just means a shorter que for the rest of us
Maybe you guys could quit snorting the pixie dust too. Cuts both ways. an empty field represents a world of opportunity. A land ful of excrement, will likely stay for a long time.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Maybe you guys could quit snorting the pixie dust too. Cuts both ways. an empty field represents a world of opportunity. A land ful of excrement, will likely stay for a long time.
As you seem to be so fond of quoting Walt Disney here's one for you:
"To all who come to this happy place welcome, Disneyland is your land, here age can share fond memories of the past"
1)This forum aint really a happy place at the moment
2) Some of my fondest childhood memories are of the first fairgrounds I went to, rides just like the ones we are getting (Dont waste your time pointing this out I know they are fairground rides). Consider TSPL as a tribute to what inspired Walt in the first place, afterall he was sitting in a fairground when he first had the idea.
ps, "Stop snorting Pixie Dust" grow up, if all you can do is through out an insult dont bother
I support the Walt Disney Company that's for sure. Walt Disney left us a great legacy with animation and Disneyland. The WDC has built some great things on Walts legacy, and the company has really grown. Someone else can talk about excrement, but I shan't be.
Quote from: "ed-uk"I support the Walt Disney Company that's for sure. Walt Disney left us a great legacy with animation and Disneyland. The WDC has built some great things on Walts legacy, and the company has really grown. Someone else can talk about excrement, but I shan't be.
Maybe WDC built some great things on Walts legacy. But the new generation is going to loose his spirit. Especially the new management at DLP!!!
Quote from: "davewasbaloo""You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway." Walt Disney
Disney is dead
Quote from: "DopeyDad"quite so, I particularly like
We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together.
Walt Disney
Walt ment that there was nothing fun in typical themeparks aimed at kidds only. The type of parks with simple and bare rides was what Walt did not want in his Disneyland. He wanted something that was fun for children yet interesting for the adults... like the haunted mansion, pirates and train rides in landscapes that impress everyone riding.
TSPL is NOT even Dumbo or Orbitron. TSPL is plain ugly in ALL ways.
You've got no imagination. You just keep bring up the old rides. Haunted Mansion, pirates, train, Dumbo, Orbitron. Can we have something new please. As I've said I'll leave the imagineers to the imagineering. And the critics to do what they do best, just criticize.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "DopeyDad"quite so, I particularly like
We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together.
Walt Disney
Walt ment that there was nothing fun in typical themeparks aimed at kidds only. The type of parks with simple and bare rides was what Walt did not want in his Disneyland. He wanted something that was fun for children yet interesting for the adults... like the haunted mansion, pirates and train rides in landscapes that impress everyone riding.
TSPL is NOT even Dumbo or Orbitron. TSPL is plain ugly in ALL ways.
What? I'm struggling to stay polite here but which bit of TSPL do you not see as an improvement to WDS in terms of helping parents and children have fun together. You have to stop this pick and mix, random criticism, changing tack every time someone challenges your narrow view. You hate WDS, we get it!
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"He wanted something that was fun for children yet interesting for the adults... like the haunted mansion, pirates and train rides in landscapes that impress everyone riding.
Oh yeah... at the DLR they've only attractions the whole family can enjoy... :roll:
I've a question for you: could you say something positive about a new attraction at DLP (not cynic and not Captain EO, because that's an old DLR attraction)? I'm just curious...
TSPL will have three rides that will be new to DLP. Three rides that are popular in other theme parks, including Disney Parks. Now what's wrong with that. TSPL is a miniland, within Toon Studios in WDS Park. Disney aren't building a new theme park all about toys. TheToy Story films are popular enough, (and without the help of Walt Disney so no quotes from him needed) to have a miniland dedicated to the them.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "DopeyDad"quite so, I particularly like
We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together.
Walt Disney
Walt ment that there was nothing fun in typical themeparks aimed at kidds only. The type of parks with simple and bare rides was what Walt did not want in his Disneyland. He wanted something that was fun for children yet interesting for the adults... like the haunted mansion, pirates and train rides in landscapes that impress everyone riding.
TSPL is NOT even Dumbo or Orbitron. TSPL is plain ugly in ALL ways.
***Please... Please don't speak the words of Walt Disney, this is getting way out of line... The comments made are unnecessary, disrespectful & frustrating.
What I said previously remains true (see below). ***And to be realistic, the decision making is in the hand of the company, there is no ownership here. How has the love become such hatred.
**It is about time all these negative and unreasonable comments come to an end. From my understanding everyone on this forum is most likely a Disney Fan. It is Disney, the company we admire who has decided to create this area. We should be satisfied that something Is being built rather than nothing considering the current climate and recent investment. Some are thinking far deeper than necessary into what is simply, an early expansion to a fairly young Walt Disney Studios Park. What has been completed so far is at a standard unmatched by other operators. The Walt Disney Co has not lost its way, and will continue to impress on multiple levels. I personally look forward to opening day of what will be a positive addition to the park.**
Yes, indeed. And Walt Disney Isn't here to give us his opinion on TSPL, so he can't be quoted on it.
Look, TimmyTimmyTimmy, I dont pretend to know very much about the whole imagineer designing of the park. I cant quote Walt, but what I do know is that I come on this thread to find out how the build is going, what has changed and read the "Oh dears, not liking that, not what I want for the park" or the "I like that" But you're coming over as very, very pessimisitc. And really depressing.
I dont have the money to go so often, we have saved hard to go and I am going to D**N well enjoy my trip. I probably wont ever get to Disney Sea so I have to take your word for it that its better-the photos are beautiful and I can see yes it is a beautiful, beautiful park and TSPL doesnt compare. I hear you dont like TSPL. I respect that. In fact I am completely agreeing with you that the studios does look like a concrete car park-work needs to be done. But they are trying, might not be in a direction you want but not everybody is going to like everything Disney do. I have friends who wouldnt spend a penny going to the parks cos they're one big merchandise rip off-their view not mine, which I respect.
As someone who cant go very often to DLP let alone any other Disney Park, you are actually making me feel really ignorant. Another reason for coming on here is to learn, not to be made to feel stupid and ignorant cos I dont get the whole Disney ethos.
I am going to Disney to have time with my family and to enjoy the parks with my family and to do rides with my family. Isnt that what Walt wanted?
Yes we cant do/wont do everything-Guess what. My son is 7 and is a mad Indiana Jones fan.... Oh no he cant do Indina Jones and the Temple of Peril! Hes too small! Holiday over.... actually do you know what we think, oh well, we cant do it this time, lets find something else we can do.
Sorry for ranting but thats how I am feeling.
Big breath! Lets move on!
Soooooo, any new pics or info?
Edit-sorry if this feels like I am getting at you TimmyTimmyTimmy, but I feel we're stuck in a rut in the conversation and need to move on.
Quote from: "JelleP"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"He wanted something that was fun for children yet interesting for the adults... like the haunted mansion, pirates and train rides in landscapes that impress everyone riding.
Oh yeah... at the DLR they've only attractions the whole family can enjoy... :roll:
I've a question for you: could you say something positive about a new attraction at DLP (not cynic and not Captain EO, because that's an old DLR attraction)? I'm just curious...
A new attraction. There are no new attractions in DLP. Everything new goes into WDS just to give the park a boost to keep it alive. The squeeze int everything they can come up with weather it fits or not. The good thing about WDS is the tower of terror and crush. It has a few other rides that are good aswell but it´s not enough by far. ...and it all looks like s... something...
I will stop hating the parks toy addition when you stop loving it. Let me ask you all this... does the parachute jump tower look good? Is it great to see it from the magnificent entrence that WDS really has/had? Is it a fun ride to tell friends about? Will you go online to watch endless videos about it? Does it has a story? Would walt Disney want to have a soldier tower in a Disneypark? Will the parachute tower do something good in the long run when it comes to the economi for WDS? Is it a great solid ride to stand for 30-50 years?
Quote from: "tubbsy"Look, TimmyTimmyTimmy, I dont pretend to know very much about the whole imagineer designing of the park. I cant quote Walt, but what I do know is that I come on this thread to find out how the build is going, what has changed and read the "Oh dears, not liking that, not what I want for the park" or the "I like that" But you're coming over as very, very pessimisitc. And really depressing.
I dont have the money to go so often, we have saved hard to go and I am going to D**N well enjoy my trip. I probably wont ever get to Disney Sea so I have to take your word for it that its better-the photos are beautiful and I can see yes it is a beautiful, beautiful park and TSPL doesnt compare. I hear you dont like TSPL. I respect that. In fact I am completely agreeing with you that the studios does look like a concrete car park-work needs to be done. But they are trying, might not be in a direction you want but not everybody is going to like everything Disney do. I have friends who wouldnt spend a penny going to the parks cos they're one big merchandise rip off-their view not mine, which I respect.
As someone who cant go very often to DLP let alone any other Disney Park, you are actually making me feel really ignorant. Another reason for coming on here is to learn, not to be made to feel stupid and ignorant cos I dont get the whole Disney ethos.
I am going to Disney to have time with my family and to enjoy the parks with my family and to do rides with my family. Isnt that what Walt wanted?
Yes we cant do/wont do everything-Guess what. My son is 7 and is a mad Indiana Jones fan.... Oh no he cant do Indina Jones and the Temple of Peril! Hes too small! Holiday over.... actually do you know what we think, oh well, we cant do it this time, lets find something else we can do.
Sorry for ranting but thats how I am feeling.
Big breath! Lets move on!
Soooooo, any new pics or info?
Edit-sorry if this feels like I am getting at you TimmyTimmyTimmy, but I feel we're stuck in a rut in the conversation and need to move on.
Sorry to make you feel depressed about what I write. I just try to be honest and I do feel that most people not here think like me when they see all this. That is why WDS is a failure. Fans of Disneyparks get passionate about what they like and not. Many of you write things that make me wonder if you are blind or just lack insight in what is fun for the ENTIRE family.
The new land will soon open. We will see if it helps the WDS park to get the visitor numbers a Disneypark should have. If not... TSPL was a BAD idea from start and ahuge mistake.
Ok let´s move on... hmmm what is there really to say about TSPL... not very much since you get it all just by looking at it.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "JelleP"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"He wanted something that was fun for children yet interesting for the adults... like the haunted mansion, pirates and train rides in landscapes that impress everyone riding.
Oh yeah... at the DLR they've only attractions the whole family can enjoy... :roll:
I've a question for you: could you say something positive about a new attraction at DLP (not cynic and not Captain EO, because that's an old DLR attraction)? I'm just curious...
A new attraction. There are no new attractions in DLP. Everything new goes into WDS just to give the park a boost to keep it alive. The squeeze int everything they can come up with weather it fits or not. The good thing about WDS is the tower of terror and crush. It has a few other rides that are good aswell but it´s not enough by far. ...and it all looks like s... something...
I will stop hating the parks toy addition when you stop loving it. Let me ask you all this... does the parachute jump tower look good? Is it great to see it from the magnificent entrence that WDS really has/had? Is it a fun ride to tell friends about? Will you go online to watch endless videos about it? Does it has a story? Would walt Disney want to have a soldier tower in a Disneypark? Will the parachute tower do something good in the long run when it comes to the economi for WDS? Is it a great solid ride to stand for 30-50 years?
lets see if we cant answer some of your questions.
1) Does it look good? Dont know and neither do you as its not finished, all weve seen are shots over a construction wall.
2) Cant tell if it enhances the entrance as I haven't see it yet, I'll answer that one when i have
3) Is it a fun ride to tell people about, yep were taking people with us this year and they are excited about all the new rides
4) WIll I watch endless videos about it, probably not but then as I haven't seen any yet I cant really comment
5) What would Walt think, I dont know and neither do you cos were not Walt
6) Will it be good in the long run, who knows only time will tell
7) Is it a good solid ride for 30-50 years? How many rides survive that long, SM has been revamped, Vissionairuim has already gone, Star Tours 2 is coming, rides get replaced and enhanced all the time.
How about they add a TSPL merry-go-round?
I feel we've all been on it long enough. I for one am wondering what the interactive element reported to be in Slinky Zig Zag might be, any ideas folks?
TimmyTimmyTimmy-:) thank-you x
Hmmmm-DopeyDad, dont know - would love to find out...
Anyone got any ideas what they'd like it to be?
Quote from: "DopeyDad"I for one am wondering what the interactive element reported to be in Slinky Zig Zag might be, any ideas folks?
Perhaps you can open or close the "spring" as it moves, rather than it being at random? Like the height toggle on Dumbo or Carpets.
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Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "DopeyDad"I for one am wondering what the interactive element reported to be in Slinky Zig Zag might be, any ideas folks?
Perhaps you can open or close the "spring" as it moves, rather than it being at random? Like the height toggle on Dumbo or Carpets.
This sounds more like it's part of the queue building than the ride don't you think?
From DLP.info
" Guests can play a game made exclusively for the attraction on the inside of Slinky Dog's packaging box as they wait in the queue." This is the first mentioning of any "game" to entertain guests waiting for any of the attractions at Toy Story Playland. While guests in line for "Soarin'" at EPCOT (in Walt Disney World) are invited to play an interactive game involving projections and the queue lines for the new version of the Dumbo rides supposed to be part of the Fantasyland expansion at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom are supposed to incorporate an interactive experience, Slinky Dog ZigZag Spin would be the first attraction in Disneyland Paris to feature a game to entertain guests while waiting."
On that latest picture Buzz really does look like a toy. But the bamboo in background looks wierd.
Mmm! Some of its not looking too healthy. Bamboo does fill out once it settles so hopefully it'll improve.
Can I ask a really daft question? Is Slinky Dog really gonna look like the model? I'm just wondering because there doesnt mean many people will able to ride at any one time. Or are there seats in the springs?? Or am I analysing it too much?? :lol:
EEEEK! Cant believe I get to see it for myself 6 days after it opens. I've never gone to the parks so soon after a ride or area has opened :)
^There are seats underneath the springs. The 'springs' will come over as a cover while the ride is in motion as an added effect that most of these attractions of this type have. I'm not sure with this model but there are either 2 or 4 seats under each section of cover.
I wasn't a fan of TSPL at the beginning but now I'm just happy that WDS has some more attractions to help bring in more crowds. TimmyTimmyTimmy, whether you think the actual area is good or not the Toy Story brand (especially with the third film released this month) is very powerful and will draw in the crowds that the park management want to see. Most people don't see all this construction, they see posters saying 'new attractions themed to Toy Story', they love Toy Story which in turn makes them excited about any form of new attraction based around said brand.
I think the main thing to look at is:
-Will families be drawn to the park because of the theme of the new area? Yes, they will be
-Will families go and enjoy the area? I think they will
-Will they care that they can see the parachute drop from the entrance? Yes, it will get them even more hyped and excited to ride it
To us fans being able to see one or two of the attractions from afar over other areas of theming is horrible but to the general guest it's another way of getting them excited about going on the attraction, it draws their attention into the area. I mean, who doesn't get exited about ToT when they see it from outside the park? Yet is it destroying the theme of the entrance area? I don't think so and I doubt other people do.
The only thing that annoys me is that I go next week yet it doesn't open for another month :( I'm very intrigued about Slinky dog having a game in the queueline though, sounds like a good idea.
It really isn't that visible from the entrance area, there are probably a couple of spots from outside the gates where you can see RC. It's intrusion from Hollywood Boulevard that will spoil guest experience if it's not later addressed by changing the current facades to cover it. Personally, as the optimist I am, I believe that in time this will get done, and we've already heard that the peeling facades are due for replacement so maybe it will happen then. If not I'd hope that when the Boulevard gets more permanent buildings and not the (lets face it, slightly rubbish) 2D facades used a the moment.
To be honest I don´t hate the playland. I really think it will fit in well in HKDL as long as they hide it. For some reason I think every Magic Kingdom should have a Toontown or something alike for the youngest. TSPL is better than Toontown when it comes to the rides. But in WDS it just feels odd. But alot of things seme odd in WDS. I do hope they will do a retheming of the entire park some day just like in DCA. DCA is starting to look really good with all new rides and stuff.
The new park map for WDS looks a bit more complete now. Perhaps it is even possible to call the park a full day park now. Even if the park will be better than before it is still the park that needs the most money in the disneypark world. I am sure that imagineers are tinkering with ideas how to improve the place. I am sure the only thing that stands it in imagineers way now is money. Perhaps the money that Toy Story will make for this park can be used to change the whole park a bit after some ten years or so. It´s a bit sad that WDS looks the way it does.
My favorite Paris rides exept pirates and space mountain are in WDS.
The bamboo needs to get thicker fast. It´s not looking great at the moment.
It will be interesting to see what the toys can do for the park. I sure don´t have high expectations. To me an addition like this does not feel like a major thing. Every second gate needs something major since it doesn´t have the Disneyland overlay. People go to Disneyland, not to Walt Disney Studios. WDS is more like a second choice if time is left. Most people in Europe don´t even know that there are two parks.
:) I think I completely agree with you TimmyTimmyTimmy
As they say, 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating', lets hope the business side of this venture as well as the creative part has gotten it right, and we could see more investment in guest experience.
Just thought of something. How will Disneyland Paris stop birds from sitting on the giant Buzz Lightyear and even crapping on him? Have they got some special technique for dealing with that?
Quote from: "Alan"Just thought of something. How will Disneyland Paris stop birds from sitting on the giant Buzz Lightyear and even crapping on him? Have they got some special technique for dealing with that?
LOL that never even crossed my mind! :P
Maybe they'll make him talk really loud so that it scares them off? :lol:
Has this proved a problem with Walt Disney's statue?
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" Guests can play a game made exclusively for the attraction on the inside of Slinky Dog's packaging box as they wait in the queue." This is the first mentioning of any "game" to entertain guests waiting for any of the attractions at Toy Story Playland. While guests in line for "Soarin'" at EPCOT (in Walt Disney World) are invited to play an interactive game involving projections and the queue lines for the new version of the Dumbo rides supposed to be part of the Fantasyland expansion at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom are supposed to incorporate an interactive experience, Slinky Dog ZigZag Spin would be the first attraction in Disneyland Paris to feature a game to entertain guests while waiting."
As yet, I wouldn't get too excited about the interactive game. Imagineers over in Florida were experimenting last month with installing an interactive queueline experince for the Haunted Mansion. It ended up being a wooden board wit a number of riddles asking where you think the ghost's ashes are near the queueline. It ended up being an urn on thhe nearby lawn! =D>
I do hope there are at least buttons or a form of technology involved in this interactive game though. Maybe the queline quests can activate the springs, or make something happen to the bones in the middle? ;)
Quote from: "ed-uk"Has this proved a problem with Walt Disney's statue?
Kind of :D
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At least it will be slightly harder as Buzz is curved!
Just wanted to say that last week when I was in the park they were testing his catchphrases. It was pretty cool, and not too frequent. I heard a radio frequncy effect then "Buzz to star comand, can you read me starcomand" :lol:
Was pretty cool and got the surrounding people excited and talking about Tspl!
Perhaps this will be the main show in WDS?:) No need for Fantasmic here!:)
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Perhaps this will be the main show in WDS?:) No need for Fantasmic here!:)
:lol: Well that would cerainly save a few euros! Saying that I can see a certain lad in my house wanting to stand and listen to ALL the phrases. Oh joy! :roll: :lol:
Maybe birds in France will be more respectful. Or they could give him an umbrella. That should help.
Quote from: "Whip"As yet, I wouldn't get too excited about the interactive game. Imagineers over in Florida were experimenting last month with installing an interactive queueline experince for the Haunted Mansion. It ended up being a wooden board wit a number of riddles asking where you think the ghost's ashes are near the queueline. It ended up being an urn on thhe nearby lawn! =D>
I do hope there are at least buttons or a form of technology involved in this interactive game though. Maybe the queline quests can activate the springs, or make something happen to the bones in the middle? ;)
The Soarin' queue and now the new Space Mountain (WDW) queue games are actually pretty fun, they're nothing ground breaking, but they help keep the queue entertained. I'd love to see a stationary Toy Story Mania game on the screen with a few of the cannons mounted along the railings, but I doubt that'd happen.
Thinking about Toy Story Mania leads me on to another idea, why haven't they tried to work in one of the Mr Potato Head figures to the area? Imagine removing Buzz as an entrance, having a sort of 'tent' setup across the path, and then on a platform on the left a moving, talking, interacting Mr Potato Head.. that would complete the land! Even now if they put him somewhere in the area in a year or so, it'd be incredibly popular - Chessington put in a talking tree this year and it's proving to be a hit with the guests, imagine what a moving, talking and interacting character could do standing on top of an oversized paper cup, in a clearing amongst the bamboo! I am actually surprised that they didn't consider this..
QuoteThinking about Toy Story Mania leads me on to another idea, why haven't they tried to work in one of the Mr Potato Head figures to the area?
Maybe he's to arrive in another year.. ;)
Plus there's still the massive Rex to arrive too, which should be interesting.
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Rex is already in place :thumbs:
It might be the angle but Rex doesnt look as big as I expected. Still its all getting very exciting.
So how many of you guys will make it to soft openings or there in the first week? We'll arrive one week after its opened, so it'll all be old news by the time we get back! :lol:
Quote from: "tubbsy"It might be the angle but Rex doesnt look as big as I expected. Still its all getting very exciting.
So how many of you guys will make it to soft openings or there in the first week? We'll arrive one week after its opened, so it'll all be old news by the time we get back! :lol:
Unfortunately me and a friend are going 27th-29th July - just a little bit early. Still, I take a school party there every March, so hopefully it'll be through all its teething problems by then!
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I just returned form a 4 day trip to DLRP. It was great, we eventually ended up spending most of our time in WDS!
I didn't see anyone post about it, but when I was there they were testing the RC coaster and slinky dog.
The RC coaster only went up once (one time forward, and once back) every time it went the first day. then the last 3 days it went back and forth 2 times before slowing down quickly in the station every time. They really tested it a lot. The car looks great too. It really did look like they made it to look magnified. it was bright green and really stood out against all the orange. Im almost positive it had four rows of seats and like 5 seats in every row. Plus we saw every day advance on the paintwork of the waiting area for RC coaster. looks really cool with all the beige stone like pattern.
The line is really a nice place to wait! they put up all of these extreme white fences (lego like) with red caution stripes. they hid the lines in the entire area pretty well too.
The slinky dog looked pretty boring to ride on. Like a normal county fair ride... the styling was pretty though. everything looked done in the area, just the finishing touches and testing.
Just thought some people would like to know! :thumbs:
Thanks Aurium
Sounding good :D Slinky dog being boring sounds good to me! :lol:
I like the idea of them using Bamboo instead of plastic as they did in DHS for the honey I shrunk the Kids play area. However, im hoping they bulk them out at the base.... The tops look fine, but as most of the greenery is at the top, its not so efefctive at the base. And its the base that will be viewed the most seeing as its ground level.
The entrance under Buzz doesn't lool very big, or maybe its just how it looks in the photo.
Hey guys!
Toy Story playland has officially been added to the Disneyland Paris website under Toon Studio, heres the link to see it;
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Enjoy :thumbs:
They're certainly doing a better job keeping the website updated these days but it's a shame DLP is still allergic to concept art. Those logos and fake images really aren't very exciting. Same for Crush and Cars which were never updated with real photos after opening.
Quote from: "littlemermaid83"The entrance under Buzz doesn't lool very big, or maybe its just how it looks in the photo.
You're probably right, it must be at least as wide as say the Adventureland entrance (which has those benches and the huge plant plot blocking the path)?
What's worrying me about the land now (kinda the same as you Penfold) is that the bamboo and thicker planting is possibly placed only around the edges like a giant wall. Perhaps they want to create the feeling of a cutting or an area of grass that Andy has stomped down, but it'll make the land seem really dull (and much more like a fairground) if you can see everything as soon as you step inside. Hopefully each of the rides will also be separated by thicker planting.
Having seen pictures of RC testing now I'm looking forward to trying that one. Looks like it could be deceptively fun. Slinky is obviously a kiddies ride but I love Slinky Dog and a nice photo of the ride will be great. The parachutes look quite tame imo but might be worth a go.
Either way it's great to see that the park is getting three new attractions. Just annoying I'm going two weeks before they open!
Via those Photos Magiques (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/) people... ;)
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Nice - thanks, Anthony. I cant say that Slinky doesn't look just a little creepy, dipping in and out of view behind those bamboo... :D
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You're probably right, it must be at least as wide as say the Adventureland entrance (which has those benches and the huge plant plot blocking the path)?QuoteI was told those benches were placed there to stop vehicles driving through the archway ,after one of them hit the huge light fixture and it had to be removed for months to be repaired ! I know this is totally off topic ! ;)
I just wished they had built 2 RC Racers as the Q's for this ride will be HUGE.
Quote from: "Timbo"I was told those benches were placed there to stop vehicles driving through the archway ,after one of them hit the huge light fixture and it had to be removed for months to be repaired ! I know this is totally off topic ! ;)
Wasn't it after a storm during which the benches were placed in case the huge lamp on the ceiling would fall?
Slinky looks fun for the little kids and non thrill seekers.
Quote from: "mehdi5"Quote from: "Timbo"I was told those benches were placed there to stop vehicles driving through the archway ,after one of them hit the huge light fixture and it had to be removed for months to be repaired ! I know this is totally off topic ! ;)
Wasn't it after a storm during which the benches were placed in case the huge lamp on the ceiling would fall?
I was told this on a Park tour by the cast member , so maybe she was misinformed .Though I doubt a storm would bring it down as it is well secured and in a slightly sheltered location .
The circumference of Slinky is a lot bigger than I imagined!
Hey guys!
Heres a video update of Toy Story Playland I found on DCP Forum, Uploaded by DCP Member (Tyrower)
In the video we see that RC Racer is going through testing... :D/
ENJOY! :D/ =D> :twisted:
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I actually think this land will be really fun! It looks very colorful and there are a lot of objects from the Toy Story films!
I hope they've also some stuff from Toy Story 3, does anyone know they have? :oops:
WDS as we all know looked terrible when opened. The latest developments prove the park will look ever worse the years to come. They have to plant a 100 trees to hide the stupid aweful rides that are not up to Disneypark standards. WDS is not a themepark anymore. There is no real theme. It is a permanent fair. Soon Disney will offer it´s european customers places to get a tatto or a belly button piercing. It´s sad to see that the future ratatouille area is already RUINED. Hong Kong Disneyland fans fear that park will also life to see the same fate as WDS:
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Disney... you should hang your head in shame. This is not what Walt would have wanted!
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"WDS as we all know looked terrible when opened. The latest developments prove the park will look ever worse the years to come. They have to plant a 100 trees to hide the stupid aweful rides that are not up to Disneypark standards. WDS is not a themepark anymore. There is no real theme. It is a permanent fair. Soon Disney will offer it´s european customers places to get a tatto or a belly button piercing. It´s sad to see that the future ratatouille area is already RUINED. Hong Kong Disneyland fans fear that park will also life to see the same fate as WDS:
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Disney... you should hang your head in shame. This is not what Walt would have wanted!
If you think it so terrible than don't go to the parks and go to Six Flags or something and don't annoy us with your stupid opinion. WDS is up to the standard of a Themepark and especially Toon Studios with it's rich theming. 100 trees? It's Bamboo and it's used to create an intimite place that gives you the feeling your standing in a backyard.
About the Ratatouille Area and Attraction; how can you judge something you haven't seen for real? Quite stupid to judge something on just a few photos that don't even show details and most theming. The same goes for TSPL, we haven't seen most of the theming and then it would still be from photos.
I'm looking forward seeing TSPL and Ratatouille in the future because I think it will bring more attractions in for children and adults to enjoy together and that's what Walt Disney was all about, he wasn't all about big, expensive attractions with a lot of theming, but he wanted to create a place where adults and children could play together.
I had real reservations about TSPL, yes I thought it was a complete waste of time and the rides look lame...but I now take back anything bad I said.
I'm going to have a lot of fun with my Daughter at TSPL and thats what matters the most. I just hope shes tall enough for RC Racer in October lol.
Timmy, I think we all know what your opinion on TSP is. You don't have to constantly post about how awful it is, it's just bringing the mood of the thread down.
Quote from: "littlemermaid83"I had real reservations about TSPL, yes I thought it was a complete waste of time and the rides look lame...but I now take back anything bad I said.
I'm going to have a lot of fun with my Daughter at TSPL and thats what matters the most. I just hope shes tall enough for RC Racer in October lol.
None of them are big rides but it's a damn good start for adding some new rides to WDS. RC Racer will be a lot of fun for all - a mini thrill ride - and two other kids rides will hopefully take some of the pressure off Crush. From what I've seen of the themeing I thought it looked good (love the giant Buzz Lightyear!) - it fit the idea of the film very well. Surely that's what the studios should be about? Areas to do with the Disney films.
Just back from the Park, saw them testing all the rides on Wednesday (didn't manage to get any footage of Slinky, unfortunately, although did get a quick peek of him going round from the Tram Tour).
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Can't believe that RC Racer has the OTSR...
Still, I am liking the look of this area, and disappointed I won't get to experience it, which I thought I might have been able to.
I can hardly wait to explore TSPL in september. The only thing that disturbes me is the Army Men Tower. Not the ride itself. The top of it. Wasn't it possilble to cover the 6 arms of the tower with a giant camouflage top too :?
I think it would look a lot nicer. But mayby it's not possilble because of the electric, the lights or so.
By the way, my little daughter will love, love, love the giant Buzz. He was her first love, when she was a year old. She loved the picture of him on the Disneyland Paris calender. The big love returend when she was old enough to ride and enjoy Buzz Light Years Laserblast. And now Toy Story 3. She's in heaven. Don't ask how many Buzz Lightyear figures we have at home. Almost every type of Buzz, from plush to key chain.
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Quote from: "James6"Can't believe that RC Racer has the OTSR...
The OTSR..? :oops:
I think they could have done more with the Parachute Tower, but what can we do about it? :roll:
Quote from: "JelleP"The OTSR..? :oops:
I think they could have done more with the Parachute Tower, but what can we do about it? :roll:
OTSR = Over The Shoulder Restraints
And I agree, Parachute Drop still looks too industrial, steel-built to me. Function really overtook design.
Surprisingly I like RC Racer more each time I see it. The inside of the track does break the (limited) magic, but perhaps, if they filled it in with a smooth surface like the outside, the steel track itself would just stand out even more. It currently gets slightly lost in the framework when looking from a distance. The car itself looks fantastic. The queues are going to be hideous. Thanks for the pictures fray101!
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"WDS as we all know looked terrible when opened. The latest developments prove the park will look ever worse the years to come. They have to plant a 100 trees to hide the stupid aweful rides that are not up to Disneypark standards. WDS is not a themepark anymore. There is no real theme. It is a permanent fair. Soon Disney will offer it´s european customers places to get a tatto or a belly button piercing. It´s sad to see that the future ratatouille area is already RUINED. Hong Kong Disneyland fans fear that park will also life to see the same fate as WDS:
We get that you don't like TSPL, that's very obvious. But wouldn't you feel a whole lot better if you stopped complaining about it and focused on things that you felt happy about? It can't be making you feel very good...
Quote from: "James6"Can't believe that RC Racer has the OTSR...
Surely it needs it though? It definitely seems tip you forward slightly more than vertical at the top. I suspect a lot of people would be very put off if it didn't.
When you look at the haflpipes that actually spin, they dont have ... what was that again? OTSR but like you said claire, more parents with kids of the right height will be willing to ride with the restraints. I however will not be one of them! :lol: DH and/or Steph might take Rob on-I'll take photos from the ground!
QuoteWhen you look at the haflpipes that actually spin, they dont have ... what was that again? OTSR
They do....
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Quote from: "luke85"We get that you don't like TSPL, that's very obvious. But wouldn't you feel a whole lot better if you stopped complaining about it and focused on things that you felt happy about? It can't be making you feel very good...
Hmmmm, I like the pavement and lights of the Rat area.....that is all. :evil:
During my visit last week I was kind of impressed how cleverly Toy Story Playland fits into the resort.
When seeing the new area from the Boulevard Circulaire behind the parks it's obvious that it's quite big. (Especially RC Racer!) Yet you can hardly see Toy Story Playland from either park.
So it looks like they've done their homework.
Even the Parachute Drop isn't as "in your face" as some pictures suggest. True, it's visible from Disney Bros. Plaza - but only from a certain angle. Only when standing right next to ToT's entrance, it is distracting. But, call me a naive optimist, with an extension of the Hollywood facades this should only be a temporary problem. (Though "temporary" can become quite a while at DLP.)
I am certainly not going all crazy about some smaller rides coming to WDS and the whole Toy Story franchise leaves me rather cold (but I haven't seen the 3rd film yet) - but even if it's only "smaller rides", it looks like the Studios are getting a good quality expansion.
So, judging now only the "visual impact" of Toy Story Playland, it gets a :thumbs: from me.
Quote from: "experiment627"Even the Parachute Drop isn't as "in your face" as some pictures suggest. True, it's visible from Disney Bros. Plaza - but only from a certain angle. Only when standing right next to ToT's entrance, it is distracting. But, call me a naive optimist, with an extension of the Hollywood facades this should only be a temporary problem. (Though "temporary" can become quite a while at DLP.)
Same here. That was something that impressed me. TSPL isn´t in focus if you are inside WDS. Like Experiment627 said you will only see the higher attractions from some points of the park. And with this in mind I had the first time a little understanding for a bigger concept behind it. If they expand the Bvd. you won´t even see TSPL. And it´s much more detailed as I expected.
As you know I´m not a fan of the Toy Story theme EVERYWHERE at the resort. That´s for me the point to discuss. TSPL isn´t that ugly huge thing I´ve expected. It´s simply a themed and very green area at WDS. And that´s not the badest thing at WDS. (Bad thing is the not finished placemaking at Production Courtyard or the whole backlot area.)
TSPL isn´t something that touch me that hard. It doesn´t matter for me. I think I will make the rides but it won´t be my favorite ones. But I clearly can´t say that Dumbo, Buzz Lightyears laser blast, Autopia, the tea cups, flying carpets, orbitron or lanzelots is one of my favorite rides at the resort. It has for me the same rank. So calm down everyone. Maybe a over years worst themed backlot, a stop of placemaking or a missing of little street shows will bring the park down. TSPL won´t.
At the moment I'm reserving judgement till I see it in person but so far I think it looks ok so far and very well themed!
It's the details that make an area and WDS has been lacking in details and themeing its nice to see they are finally moving away from the car park look!
i remember when i first heard about Toy Story Playland, i was inititially skeptical at first, even thinking "what are they doing to the studios"...
but, after having seen many photo's of the construction, it's now won me over, now i'm beginning to think it's a fairly good addition to the studio's park, it'll make me feel like i've been shrunk into Andy's backyard... :)
the themeing is fantastic, but i'm wondering if they've really put Buzz in the right place :?:
Quote from: "Disneymaniacus"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"WDS as we all know looked terrible when opened. The latest developments prove the park will look ever worse the years to come. They have to plant a 100 trees to hide the stupid aweful rides that are not up to Disneypark standards. WDS is not a themepark anymore. There is no real theme. It is a permanent fair. Soon Disney will offer it´s european customers places to get a tatto or a belly button piercing. It´s sad to see that the future ratatouille area is already RUINED. Hong Kong Disneyland fans fear that park will also life to see the same fate as WDS:
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Disney... you should hang your head in shame. This is not what Walt would have wanted!
If you think it so terrible than don't go to the parks and go to Six Flags or something and don't annoy us with your stupid opinion. WDS is up to the standard of a Themepark and especially Toon Studios with it's rich theming. 100 trees? It's Bamboo and it's used to create an intimite place that gives you the feeling your standing in a backyard.
About the Ratatouille Area and Attraction; how can you judge something you haven't seen for real? Quite stupid to judge something on just a few photos that don't even show details and most theming. The same goes for TSPL, we haven't seen most of the theming and then it would still be from photos.
I'm looking forward seeing TSPL and Ratatouille in the future because I think it will bring more attractions in for children and adults to enjoy together and that's what Walt Disney was all about, he wasn't all about big, expensive attractions with a lot of theming, but he wanted to create a place where adults and children could play together.
I don´t agree with anything you stated above.
The bamboo is not hiding anything. Or perhaps you haven´t been looking at the endless stream of videos and pictures. To stop the new rides from being seen all over the parks it would take alot more than just bamboo.
The new ride area is far from finished and by the look of the pictures I already hate the way it looks.
You also judge things by how they look in pictures don´t you? Well... please don´t call my views stupid. For every new ugly thing I see in the park I will write here that I don´t like it if I don´t like it. If you don´t like it, don´t read it. If you love WDS, then go there. You haven´t seen more than pictures of TSPL, and you put me down for not liking it based on the fact that I only have seen pictures of it. I would never call your oppinion stupid... but it is based on the same facts as mine. You just like big orange things sticking up where they shouldn´t and I don´t. Everbody can´t have the same oppinion... this is a FORUM.
The new Paris section of WDS is dominated by the ugly toys. That´s my oppinion.
Toon Studios is full of rich theming, that is your oppinion! (based on what you have seen in pictures)
Quote from: "luke85"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"WDS as we all know looked terrible when opened. The latest developments prove the park will look ever worse the years to come. They have to plant a 100 trees to hide the stupid aweful rides that are not up to Disneypark standards. WDS is not a themepark anymore. There is no real theme. It is a permanent fair. Soon Disney will offer it´s european customers places to get a tatto or a belly button piercing. It´s sad to see that the future ratatouille area is already RUINED. Hong Kong Disneyland fans fear that park will also life to see the same fate as WDS:
We get that you don't like TSPL, that's very obvious. But wouldn't you feel a whole lot better if you stopped complaining about it and focused on things that you felt happy about? It can't be making you feel very good...
My post with pics of the new Paris area was mostly focused on the fact that new areas that haven´t been buit already are ruined from visual intrussion from Toy Story carnival rides. A ride area that will be built in 2 years already is ruined by two orange towers. What parks have one visited before to use as reference and say a thing like that is good?.
I have posted that I like WDS to be expanded and that new rides are needed. More than that I just hate it. It is ugly and I don´t like ugly. Not for the price of Disney.
...why was it have to like TSPL?
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Timmy, I think we all know what your opinion on TSP is. You don't have to constantly post about how awful it is, it's just bringing the mood of the thread down.
I post my reaction to pictures you guys post or pictures I find. If TSPL is a great thing then my negative posts about can´t bring the mood down.
I wonder why you all have to love it when it THAT BAD. Do you always have to love TSPL to bring the mood up?
I would also like to know the difference betwen constanly and now and then.
It will be funny to read the differences between the reactions to TSPL in different forums. Here people seme to be filled with joy over it and Disney´s attempts of selling something cheap and taky to the european park visitors have been a succes. In other forum people wonder why WDS is getting this expansion and how anyone can joyful over 3 not very good rides at all.
I am looking forward to something new in WDS. It will be great to try new rides in that park. ...but not swings that one finds in malls all over the world.
Quote from: "Martyn"QuoteWhen you look at the haflpipes that actually spin, they dont have ... what was that again? OTSR
They do....
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Sorry Martyn hadnt realised-the only couple I had seen dont go as high as that and dont have OTSR-tried to upload a pick of the Edge but I'm working off a dongle and to say its slow is a slight understatement! :lol:
As for the postive and negative discussion about carnival rides I am gonna wait and see for myself-I will say though, as I have said on previous occasions, bamboo fills out if you plant it too close it could kill it off.
Quote from: "Riebi"As you know I´m not a fan of the Toy Story theme EVERYWHERE at the resort. That´s for me the point to discuss. TSPL isn´t that ugly huge thing I´ve expected. It´s simply a themed and very green area at WDS. And that´s not the badest thing at WDS. (Bad thing is the not finished placemaking at Production Courtyard or the whole backlot area.)
TSPL isn´t something that touch me that hard. It doesn´t matter for me. I think I will make the rides but it won´t be my favorite ones. But I clearly can´t say that Dumbo, Buzz Lightyears laser blast, Autopia, the tea cups, flying carpets, orbitron or lanzelots is one of my favorite rides at the resort. It has for me the same rank. So calm down everyone. Maybe a over years worst themed backlot, a stop of placemaking or a missing of little street shows will bring the park down. TSPL won´t.
100% agreed. There are lots of rides and shows that do little for me (some even considered "classics").
And yes, one could argue about yet another "Toy Story"-experience (which I've touched in my earlier post).
But all in all: Toy Story Playland *looks* like it will be a decent addition to the Studios, which could end up being as popular as some of the Fantasyland classics (seeing lots of kiddies being excited at the sight of the huge Buzz might be an indication of that).
It's quality (dare I say: "Disney Quality"?) - for what it is.
I have to agree, I have felt it a bit strange and a little disorganised to have a bit of Toy Stoy here and a little of Toy Story there.
What's all this talk of carnival rides? You need the smaller rides just as much as you need the larger ones. In fact, it's good that they have built a mini thrill ride, otherwise you have the full on coasters, the kiddie rides and nothing in between.
Disney already has plenty of so called carnival rides if you will - Dumbo, teacups, flying carpets and such ilk. TSPL looks faithful to the films - and extremely popular and well loved films they are too.
The ride capacity of the park has been increased because of this which can only be a good thing.
In fact, the more I think about it, surely all expansions to WDS should be a based on Pixar films? That's where Disney is now and looks to be so for the foreseeable future.
I actually like the way it looks, at least what I've seen so far.
Too bad I won't get to see it during my next visit yet.
I hope I'll be able to save some money for another end-of-the-year trip.
Quote from: "tubbsy"Quote from: "Martyn"QuoteWhen you look at the haflpipes that actually spin, they dont have ... what was that again? OTSR
They do....
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Sorry Martyn hadnt realised-the only couple I had seen dont go as high as that and dont have OTSR-tried to upload a pick of the Edge but I'm working off a dongle and to say its slow is a slight understatement! :lol:
As for the postive and negative discussion about carnival rides I am gonna wait and see for myself-I will say though, as I have said on previous occasions, bamboo fills out if you plant it too close it could kill it off.
Thats ok Tubbsy, I had a feeling you may have been on about the Zamperla Disk'O's. (And I know how you feel about the Dongle.... :P)
luckely our version is a little more... chill!
According to Disney_ParisEN on Twitter, 20 Disney fans were invited to view a (blurry) version of the Toy Story Playland model, yesterday. Do you recognise anyone, 'cos I don't :-)
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What is really annoying, besides how trashy this land looks, is that the height restriction for RC Racer is the same for Rock N Roller Coaster. STUPID :roll:
it's 1.20m, so the average height of a 6-7 year old say. I can't imagine children smaller than this would want to ride RC Racer anyway. Did you hope for entirely young child friendly rides?
Well call me old school, but Disney used to do rides the whole family could ride in the first 30+ years of it's existance.
But I think what a 'family' is has changed since Disneyland first opened. Now, there are teenagers who know that other parks have thrill rides and would expect to get some level of adrenaline rush if they go to a theme park. RC Racer kinda bridges that gap nicely, it offers a ride with a thrill factor, but still has a height limit where the younger kids can ride with their older siblings if they want, ok not the very young, but if they only put in a Slinky, Parachute Drop and a 3rd 'whole family' ride like a dumbo clone (Pigs May Fly for example), then they'd lose the families with teens to other parks who can offer a new thrill for them to ride.
It's a tricky situation for Disney I'd imagine, but they struck gold putting Rock N' Rollercoaster, Tower, Crush and to some extent the re-imagineering of Space Mountain with a launch as more 'thrilling' rides, so I'd imagine it's something they know they can make work if they do it well!
Still, I'd have preferred to lose one of the two other rides in favour of Midway Mania, that'd help to soak up the RC Racer queue too!
WEll, they told Disney he would be dead if Disneyland did not have a roller coaster or ferris wheel. And we know what happened there.
Yeah and I think at the time that was very true, but I honestly believe that the target audience has evolved from the 'happy families' the park originally attracted now that it is a world wide brand, and they would be dead if they only aim for families with young kids.
They also say that Disneyland is a living experience and that it will be constantly changing, if they only ever installed attractions that were there when the parks first opened it'd go against everything Walt started. I think with this area we just have to have faith in Imagineering that they know what they're doing, and be thankful that it doesn't look quite as ugly as Bugs Land of the Honey I Shrunk the Kids playset areas.
I never said they should aim at little kids. Walt Disney said you are dead if you do, adults are just kids grown up. They should be aiming at attractions that appeal to the whole family, young, old, disabled or otherwise.
And frankly, this is uglier that Fliks Fun Faire.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"And frankly, this is uglier that Fliks Fun Faire.
Ok We get you dont like it, your opinion and you are entitled to share it, but come on "uglier that Fliks Fun Faire" is a bit of a sweeping statement when you consider we have only seen photo's over a construction wall or the original artists impressions.
What Id like to know is once its open will you or your family be visiting TSPL or dare I say going on the rides? Once youre actually there in the flesh is totally different to whats been seen so far.
Maybe some spirits have been to both and been given a tour behind the scenes? Never judge who you are talking to on the internet. You may not always know their back stories.
30+ years of looking at concept art, seeing development, managing projects and programmes and walking the building sites, nope, it may be fun, so is the park down the street from me, but it ain't Disney quality or what Walt's vision had in mind.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Maybe some spirits have been to both and been given a tour behind the scenes? Never judge who you are talking to on the internet. You may not always know their back stories.
Could say the same thing to you.
As for not being Walts vision consider what he said when he opened his first park something along the lines of a place for both young and old to enjoy themselves, yep WDS is certainly that, where age can relive fond memories of the past, yep does that for me especially the "fair ground rides" that take me back to my first experience of a ride, and where youth can savour the challenge of the future, think it does that too.
See I can quote Walt Disney too.
;) Oh please, lets not open that can of worms again!
Quote from: "DopeyDad";) Oh please, lets not open that can of worms again!
Sorry Dopey Dad, didn't mean to but it annoys me the number of people who come on here whatever there background may be and claim to be channeling the spirit of Walt.
Walts idea was all about fun, full stop. Thats all I want in my Disney holiday. I hate the phrase but lets all consider the "big picture" DLRP is an excellent place to spend time, love bits or hate bits we'll all keep on going and having a good time
So, where are the photos from INSIDE Toy Story Playland? 20 fans went in there, but we haven't seen any photos yet. Did Disney ban cameras or something?
Quote from: "Alan"So, where are the photos from INSIDE Toy Story Playland? 20 fans went in there, but we haven't seen any photos yet. Did Disney ban cameras or something?
Now that would be so cool, how did these lucky 20 get chosen? Anyone?
I was not allowed to use my camera nor talk in detail at the time we walked about, I would not be surprised if this is the same thing here.
A lap dance club is fun, but it does not mean it fits in either. and all the happy clappy fans that praise this rubbish are almost as much to blame as Disney itself. Hence my amazing disdain.
Aaaaanyway...
Here's a photo which does show some of the inside of the land, by Jollyroger on DCP.
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Notice the joints in the RC Racer supports are now getting extra purple pieces added.
^^Good thing about those purple covers, as well as the orange ones already in place on the half-pipe itself. It's a cheap way of covering up a cheap ride, but it works well.
I have to say it really does look an awful lot like Flik's Fun Fair.
Wow, I didn't know the area was so near completion (I guess it have to be though, it is opening in a few weeks afterall!). I had to actually check twice to see if it wasn't just concept art. I think it's looking great, all the greenery in the land is something I love to see (especially in the concrete-land WDS)
Quote from: "Anthony"Notice the joints in the RC Racer supports are now getting extra purple pieces added.
Great to see also, that's going to make the track look a lot more like an actual Hot Wheels track (although I would have preferred something like toy boxes to cover up the supports). Hopefully the inside of the halfpipe will get a cover-up like the outside.
I like how TSPL is really colourful, i'm going to be there for the opening on the 17th :D
Does anyone know if TSPL will get some sort of opening ceramony?
Quote from: "DisneyMAD..Woops"I like how TSPL is really colourful, i'm going to be there for the opening on the 17th :D
Lucky thing! I'll be there a few days later :D
Cant believe its all come round so quick.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"A lap dance club is fun, but it does not mean it fits in either. and all the happy clappy fans that praise this rubbish are almost as much to blame as Disney itself. Hence my amazing disdain.
Believe it or not we get your amazing disdain, we get that you dont like it but if you hate it that much why do you keep coming back to this thread? If you hadn't noticed most of the people here are looking forward to this new area and yes we realise its our fault Disney chose to build this but isnt it about time you realised its nearly open. Why not just enjoy the parts of the park you like and leave the rest of us to be excited about this.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"A lap dance club is fun.
ps Speaking from personal experience? :lol: (Sorry couldn't resist :P )
From the more recent photos that've been published, it doesn't look like the Slinky Dog Zig Zag Spin ride will open and close after all. It looks like the cars are permanently open, with a couple of rings surrounding them, representing Slinky's springs.
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Crop of photo originally posted by Jollyroger on Disney Central Plaza
I was just trying to have another look at photos Alan-cos I remember our discussion about that a few pages (maybe more) back. I still think kids like my 7 year old and 16 year old will still enjoy it-with the whole Slinky Dog theming.
Quote from: "Alan"From the more recent photos that've been published, it doesn't look like the Slinky Dog Zig Zag Spin ride will open and close after all. It looks like the cars are permanently open, with a couple of rings surrounding them, representing Slinky's springs.
I was assuming they'd open and close only when the ride was moving, though I don't know how it would be achieved anyway - one spring sliding across like a fan, to open out a roof? How do those rides work?
I think it looks better having spaced-out springs, plus I wouldn't want to be enclosed with something right over my head!
I think as Slinky goes up and down over his gentle bumpy track it will give the illusion the rings are closing and opening. If you look at the photo Alan posted (Still on the dongle! Not gonna try and post it here! :lol: ) the left hand rings look closer together then as Slinky moves up the slope (top right) they pull further apart. Its more of an illusion for those watching and not as "clever" or "technical" as we first thought but I think it'll look ... "right" If that makes sense?
I wonder if the covers we originally saw were just that, covers to keep the weather off
Looking at it again, that photo of Slinky Dog Zig Zag Spin (which I posted above) looks amazingly like a toy sitting on someone's lawn. The aerial view obviously has a lot to do with it, but it really does look like a model, a miniature in someone's garden, rather than a huge attraction at a theme park.
Disney should make a new tilt-shift video of Toy Story Playland, to advertise the attraction. I know they won't, because Disneyland Paris are hopeless at advertising anything expensive that they've built. For example, I didn't see one advert for Toy Story Playland when I saw Toy Story 3 in the cinema. If that's not a perfect opportunity for synergy, I don't know what is.
But anyway, Toy Story Playland is the perfect subject for a tilt-shift video:
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Alain Littaye on Disney and More has done a good article with some interesting details;
QuoteThe first attraction on the left is Parachute Drop. The 80 feet high tower is really impressive and green toy soldiers are everywhere: inside the cockpit of the plane at the entrance of the ride - on which is painted the attraction name - near a giant talkie walkie, up inside an observation tower, and of course inside the army "Emery Camp" - a tribute to Emeryville where are located Pixar Animation Studios. Also at the left of the entrance a nice photo-location with a huge sky backdrop and a parachute.
QuoteHere too, everything looks bigger than expected and it's also at that point that the road which goes all along TSP have a gentle slope. Which means that the third and last ride - RC Racer - is on a slightly lower level than the two first one. This gives an interesting perspective when you look back and, again, reinforce the feeling that everything looks big - and you, small!
QuoteThe queue line has been calculated for a 90-120 minutes queue - DLP Imagineers surely have learned from Crush's Coaster long queue line which is usually so long that it goes outside of the attraction. The floor of it is designed like a Skalextric race track and guests will also find in the decor a Dinoco gas station and inside the load/unload building elements like the one you find inside a model box.
QuoteNote that the top elements of RC Racer track themed like a Hot Wheel track will be added as soon as the tests will be over, probably next week.
Article (//http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2010/07/wds-toy-story-playland-preview.html)
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"A lap dance club is fun, but it does not mean it fits in either. and all the happy clappy fans that praise this rubbish are almost as much to blame as Disney itself. Hence my amazing disdain.
I agree... and ticket sales will prove you correct. This park was built for tired parents that have no idea what Disney or a themed park is about.
There is no need to ban this park... tourists ignore it and they will keep on doing that.
Disney had the lowest expectations when it came to this place they named after one of the most creative persons ever born. It´s stupid to say that "my taste is better than yours" but crap will always be crap.
Quote from: "Anthony"Aaaaanyway...
Here's a photo which does show some of the inside of the land, by Jollyroger on DCP.
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Notice the joints in the RC Racer supports are now getting extra purple pieces added.
From that picture it looks even worse than I imagined it would. No sign of Disney magic at all. Not even very colorful...
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Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"A lap dance club is fun, but it does not mean it fits in either. and all the happy clappy fans that praise this rubbish are almost as much to blame as Disney itself. Hence my amazing disdain.
I agree... and ticket sales will prove you correct. This park was built for tired parents that have no idea what Disney or a themed park is about.
There is no need to ban this park... tourists ignore it and they will keep on doing that.
Disney had the lowest expectations when it came to this place they named after one of the most creative persons ever born. It´s stupid to say that "my taste is better than yours" but crap will always be crap.
I give up, seriously if TSPL is so bad why do the two of you waste your time on this thread. This forum is for Disney fans, yes I can see you both are, but in case you hadnt noticed you are in the minority. About the only thing I can agree with you on is that ticket sales will prove the point.
Grow up RNR, it is not that cut and dry. The fact many Europeans wouldn't know a Disney experience if it bit them between the legs is not the only thing on trial here. Have you ever stopped to think we keep checking in to see if we were wrong? Or in the hopes some people would wake up and also vocalise.
We are talking about a Disney park here, not Butlins or sea side amusements. As a major FAN who has invested £100,000's in Disney over the years and agood 10-15% of my life, I am keen to see improvements. Maybe that is why we stick around. Your head bashing comment is how I feel when I read the naive statements on the boards.
And Disney no they can put their logo on a turd and people will pay to see it. But it will not last. People pay because Disney USED to stand for quality.
I don't know why you keep banging on about all the money and time you've invested in Disney theme parks — it doesn't mean they owe you anything, nor does it elevate you up the hierarchy of whose opinions are worth something. If I collect Coke cans and pour most of my savings into Coke cans and Coca-Cola discontinues Coke cans because plastic bottles are the new thing, it doesn't mean Coca-Cola owes me anything. It just means I've been a sucker.
I don't particularly love the direction Disney is headed either, but don't get all pompous about it.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Grow up RNR, it is not that cut and dry. The fact many Europeans wouldn't know a Disney experience if it bit them between the legs is not the only thing on trial here. Have you ever stopped to think we keep checking in to see if we were wrong? Or in the hopes some people would wake up and also vocalise.
We are talking about a Disney park here, not Butlins or sea side amusements. As a major FAN who has invested £100,000's in Disney over the years and agood 10-15% of my life, I am keen to see improvements. Maybe that is why we stick around. Your head bashing comment is how I feel when I read the naive statements on the boards.
You are not the only fan who has spent £1000's or worked for the company, I count myself in that number, but you seem to be stuck in the past, Disney hasn't been the same since Michael Eisners time, this is France not America and will never be anything like an American park because there is so much outside of Disney's control. If I met you on the street we would probably be friends but on this we will never agree and there is no reason why we should, truce?
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The new land fits perfectly in with the rest of WDS, I really see that now. It´s not as colorful and carnival looking as I feared. I(nfact it´s pale with a few kitchy bursts of... orange and it is like carnival from beggining to the end. Only thing missing now is a buch of teens getting tato´s. It is THE WORST ADDITON TO ANY DISNEYPARK EVER. It´s just a good as the Dinorama thing in Animal Kingdom!
What are those houses by the coaster? They look like lavatories at an outside pool in a farmtown. It has NOTHING to do with toys. Slinky the dog or what they call it looks like... a larva more than a... slinky.
This was my reaction to the new land. Disneyland is is a true star on the sky, Walt Disney Studios park is a lightbulb in a basement. The reputation of the worst park in Disney history will live on.
Rubbish! I can afford better things. I´m not going to DLRP this year for sure.
Walt is spinning in his grave like a rocket to China.
Dear Walt, look what they did to your dream!
Those "houses" are probably another classic American toy reference. You're seeing the backside.
I just want to know why it everything is all hunky dorey when people swoon over Disney, but god forbid we ever critisize it? And yes, I very much lament how the weatherman and Rasulo have pissed on Walt's legacy.
So many people have criticised the land in here. So many. Most of them have even done it with some perspective and respect. I don't know, maybe they don't have enough collected experience to make their posts worth reading. Same for TimmyTimmyTimmy - this isn't your own personal campaign blog, it's a discussion forum.
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...And the controversy over TSPL continues. :-({|=
With all these arguments going on, it's a wonder why I'm still on these forums. :-k
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"And yes, I very much lament how the weatherman and Rasulo have pissed on Walt's legacy.
We can agree on that
Quote from: "QTXAdsy"[-(
...And the controversy over TSPL continues. :-({|=
With all these arguments going on, it's a wonder why I'm still on these forums. :-k
because deep down you still love us all really :D/
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I just want to know why it everything is all hunky dorey when people swoon over Disney, but god forbid we ever critisize it?
I think part of the problem is many people only go to Disney parks once or twice a year and the thought of something new is exciting so we gush, with your experience of Disney you probably see more in this and look more deeply than most and then, please correct me if I am wrong, you just say thats rubbish or what an eyesore. Share your experience, explain, I for one would love to know what its like inside one of the Mouse's parks and why this doesn't compare, my own experience is purely from a retail point of view.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Grow up RNR, it is not that cut and dry. The fact many Europeans wouldn't know a Disney experience if it bit them between the legs is not the only thing on trial here. Have you ever stopped to think we keep checking in to see if we were wrong? Or in the hopes some people would wake up and also vocalise.
We are talking about a Disney park here, not Butlins or sea side amusements. As a major FAN who has invested £100,000's in Disney over the years and agood 10-15% of my life, I am keen to see improvements. Maybe that is why we stick around. Your head bashing comment is how I feel when I read the naive statements on the boards.
Yeah, because America is wonderful isn't it, its so fantastic everyone in the world loves America. Oh wait, I'm being sarcastic. So what because were Europeans we don't know what a "Disney Experience" is. Rubbish. Just because you don't like TSPL and have given Disney so much of your money (through your own choice) it doesn't mean that they're going to pull it down. And if were naive and your so "in" on Disney, I assume you're the CEO of Disney, more powerful than Iger?
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The new land fits perfectly in with the rest of WDS, I really see that now. It´s not as colorful and carnival looking as I feared. I(nfact it´s pale with a few kitchy bursts of... orange and it is like carnival from beggining to the end. Only thing missing now is a buch of teens getting tato´s. It is THE WORST ADDITON TO ANY DISNEYPARK EVER. It´s just a good as the Dinorama thing in Animal Kingdom!
What are those houses by the coaster? They look like lavatories at an outside pool in a farmtown. It has NOTHING to do with toys. Slinky the dog or what they call it looks like... a larva more than a... slinky.
This was my reaction to the new land. Disneyland is is a true star on the sky, Walt Disney Studios park is a lightbulb in a basement. The reputation of the worst park in Disney history will live on.
Rubbish! I can afford better things. I´m not going to DLRP this year for sure.
Walt is spinning in his grave like a rocket to China.
Dear Walt, look what they did to your dream!
Really? I mean no-one cares if you think that because Slinky looks like a Slinky and the "farmtown pool toilets" look like toy buildings. I suppose you'll come back with your narrow minded "Six Flags can do better" opinion.
So if you read any articles about this land you'll see feedback is 80% positive, so if you don't like it, don't go to Disneyland Paris.
Oh for goodness sake! I'm going into Mum mode here!
As Thumper would say-
"If you cant say something nice to each other and make comments about the park in a negative or positive manner-(whichever is your view that you are completely entitled to!) without the complete dragging down of things or of each other into the gutter, dont say anything at all!"
Oh alright I slightly expanded on Thumpers saying but it still stands!
We understand some of us hate the park becaue of its carnival style rides and they're not going to go to the park, some like it because its adding something to a slightly sparse park, me I feel its all a bit disjointed-laser blast, Woodys round up and TSPL all in different parts of the two parks, but I still like the look of it as we love Toy Story in this house and I can see the area as one small part of the park and I want to ride Slinky Dog and the Parachutes, because its taken me three years to save to go back and I'm not having people try and ruin things. I have mentioned this before and I think what is being said now we've covered quite a lot in this thread. Ideas can come over elitist and as though my family and I dont deserve to go to DLP. But I am not going to take it personally.
We are all entitled to our own opinions thats what we are here to do but please can we stop raking up the same things over and again.
As I have said before my son loves Indiana jones, but this is a ride he cant go on, so this is an area of the park we avoid-maybe you could consider averting your eyes from TSPL?
People in families like different things and sometimes those leading the family -whether that be the adult or the child have to consider catering for different tastes. Sorry if anyone is offended by what I have said but I dont want to read through the same arguments to try and catch up on relelvant news.
Now .....does anyone need to go and have 10 minutes to calm down on the bottom step or shall we move on?
Anyhoo, this question was asked a while back but seems to have been lost-does anyone know if theres going to be an opening ceremony?
Well said Tubbsy :)
I'm not sure about what sort of opening ceremony they might have? I should imagine they'll put on some sort of spectacle for the press though!
Quote from: "SM:M3"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Grow up RNR, it is not that cut and dry. The fact many Europeans wouldn't know a Disney experience if it bit them between the legs is not the only thing on trial here. Have you ever stopped to think we keep checking in to see if we were wrong? Or in the hopes some people would wake up and also vocalise.
We are talking about a Disney park here, not Butlins or sea side amusements. As a major FAN who has invested £100,000's in Disney over the years and agood 10-15% of my life, I am keen to see improvements. Maybe that is why we stick around. Your head bashing comment is how I feel when I read the naive statements on the boards.
Yeah, because America is wonderful isn't it, its so fantastic everyone in the world loves America. Oh wait, I'm being sarcastic. So what because were Europeans we don't know what a "Disney Experience" is. Rubbish. Just because you don't like TSPL and have given Disney so much of your money (through your own choice) it doesn't mean that they're going to pull it down. And if were naive and your so "in" on Disney, I assume you're the CEO of Disney, more powerful than Iger?Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"(//http://nsa16.casimages.com/img/2010/07/27/100727080922441335.jpg)
The new land fits perfectly in with the rest of WDS, I really see that now. It´s not as colorful and carnival looking as I feared. I(nfact it´s pale with a few kitchy bursts of... orange and it is like carnival from beggining to the end. Only thing missing now is a buch of teens getting tato´s. It is THE WORST ADDITON TO ANY DISNEYPARK EVER. It´s just a good as the Dinorama thing in Animal Kingdom!
What are those houses by the coaster? They look like lavatories at an outside pool in a farmtown. It has NOTHING to do with toys. Slinky the dog or what they call it looks like... a larva more than a... slinky.
This was my reaction to the new land. Disneyland is is a true star on the sky, Walt Disney Studios park is a lightbulb in a basement. The reputation of the worst park in Disney history will live on.
Rubbish! I can afford better things. I´m not going to DLRP this year for sure.
Walt is spinning in his grave like a rocket to China.
Dear Walt, look what they did to your dream!
Really? I mean no-one cares if you think that because Slinky looks like a Slinky and the "farmtown pool toilets" look like toy buildings. I suppose you'll come back with your narrow minded "Six Flags can do better" opinion.
So if you read any articles about this land you'll see feedback is 80% positive, so if you don't like it, don't go to Disneyland Paris.
Disney built this land since it knows it can get away with it. 80% Positive... here yes. Other forums and when speaking to people it´s a whooole other thing. This is the very thing they are trying to rebuild in DCA.
Toy houses? that has to be the most... ah doesn´t matter.
Children will have fun at anyplace. It was never a matter if it was fun or not. As said many times before. This will not boost anything major for WDS in the long run. Temporary crowds and is certein since there isn´t much competition.
They would NEVER build crap like this now and call it Harry Potter land expansion in IOA in Florida. There would be no point in doing that. It would be regarded as a joke to make an addition like this to any resort. People here in Europe don´t have as many choices and do not really know a great themepark the way the do in USA. The Fantasyland expansion in WDW may be lame but atleast it will look good and have one major new ride.
Speaking of Six Flags... WDS sure is starting to look like all six of them!
This is not a campaign. A campaign is not needed in WDS. There new rides will prove themselves.
But for the people that don´t care about theme and are into Toy Story will love this new land and Big Buzz will make alot of small kidds smile.
Just look at how a tiny part of a second gate can look when done in true Disney fashion:
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Now compare it to the picture of TSPL. It´s the same type of land/port....
DisneySEA here I come!
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"The fact many Europeans wouldn't know a Disney experience if it bit them between the legs is not the only thing on trial here.
Dave, I really respect your opinion. It's just that on this matter it feels like you don't respect the opinion of other's.
I spent a lot of time of my life with Disney theme parks. Ever since that first visit to DLP back in '93. I have experienced amazing Disney entertainment, went to times and places with Disney. And I am still getting thrilled when I am walking through Adventureland and I notice that they've changed the old Aladdin background music at the basar to something more oriental; something more fitting. I prefer my "Pirates" without a Captain Jack. I would love to see cancan dancers back at the Lucky Nugget, "From the Earth to the Moon" return to "Space Mountain" and ride a new attraction on the scale of a "Western River Expedition".
And I am ok with Toy Story Playland. I think it looks like an honest effort to create something small. It is not a reason for me to visit a Disney theme park. But neither are many other rides and shows.
Now, when you say "many Europeans wouldn't know a Disney experience if it bit them between the legs" then well, that is insulting to me. And I suppose to many others here on these boards, as well. Otherwise tempers wouldn't run that high.
I know that you don't like Toy Story Playland. You don't have to. Disney *has* done better. Certainly.
But, in the end, please respect that not all of us who don't mind these new rides - and those who are actually welcoming it! - wouldn't "know a Disney experience if it bit them between the legs".
Thank you.
Quote from: "tubbsy"Anyhoo, this question was asked a while back but seems to have been lost-does anyone know if theres going to be an opening ceremony?
Maybe there will at least be a small ceremony in the morning with the ambassadors, similar to recent openings like Laser Blast and Tower of Terror? The land (and especially the entrance area) is quite small for that sort of thing though. I don't know how they're going to handle it on opening day.
It'll be interesting to see how they handle it then. Thanks Anthony :D
I hope they do some sort of ceremony! I'm there opening day and have not been at the resort for anything like that before! We booked it in February and we're really pleased when we heard it was opening while we were there!
We don't plan on going on any of the rides in TSPL this trip but we are hoping it will mean less of a queue for Crush's coaster (which we love)
It's been 3 years since are last trip even ToT is new to us!
I'm glad they are building rides smaller kids can go on! I don't have kids myself and my sister is nearly 14 but I remember on my last trip little kids trying CC and not liking it (it was too fast and dark for them) Studio's has been seriously lacking in the family area and TSPL does fill this now that they have more rides for families (fairly cheaply compared to some ride costs) so now they can get on developing more better quality rides (ratatouille ride maybe) without feeling that families with young children will go to the park at all!
Toy story has been a popular film franchise for 15 years now so does have some staying power and is popular with children and adults! It would of been nice if they had relocated to pizza planet to this area to give WDS more places to eat!
I think that TSPL is like Marmite, You either love it or you hate it :)
Davewasbaloo "The fact many Europeans wouldn't know a Disney experience if it bit them between the legs"
I don't see how making such insulting generalisations can make any kind of point other than about yourself. When we're discussing DLRP restaurants you don't hear people suggesting all Americans are really fat, because it would be insulting and a pointless generalisation.
Just arrived back from Disney a few hours ago. Didn't see much of TSPL but the giant Buzz looks like very good quality - they've ensured they've done an excellent likeness.
Got to watch the parachute drop being tested whilst waiting for ToT - interesting looking concept! Definitely a my first drop ride.
For what I can see of it, it certainly isn't themed in the style of nicey, nicey old Disney BUT it is very Toy Story. That film is full of very bright, simple colours and the land seems to reflect that simplicity. I love the idea of it being Andy's backyard. I think it would be out of place in the more traditional DLP but is perfect for the Studios with its clearly different style.
Sorry folks, I know I went OTT. Not an excuse, but I lost a dear friend today and a job, then posted this. The point is, only the European boards are lapping this up, while other boards are calling WDSP a joke for this, and I agree them. My point is, there are a few who have other points of Disney reference, but iMHO this sort of thing has no place in a Disney park. If you look at the HISTA playground in DHS or Mermaid Lagoon in TDS, they hide the tacky fun fair view in a much more convincing way.
I am worried about the capacity, the fact these rides are not family friendly, and they are poor choices in the wet and cold weather we have in DLP. They are a poor investment, and when I see people fawning over it with very little point of reference of how Disney could do better, it is an endorsement to do more of this. It makes me very angry. The fact that I was at Chessington World of Adventures yesterday and they did a good job with their Wild Asia area, and it is more compelling than this is worrisome. Disney is supposed to be world class. What is world class about this?
But as a market, DLP fans (mainly European) are more into this stuff. There is a preference of thrills too. Why? Because a lack of comparison to other options.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Sorry folks, I know I went OTT. Not an excuse, but I lost a dear friend today and a job, then posted this. The point is, only the European boards are lapping this up, while other boards are calling WDSP a joke for this, and I agree them. My point is, there are a few who have other points of Disney reference, but iMHO this sort of thing has no place in a Disney park. If you look at the HISTA playground in DHS or Mermaid Lagoon in TDS, they hide the tacky fun fair view in a much more convincing way.
I am worried about the capacity, the fact these rides are not family friendly, and they are poor choices in the wet and cold weather we have in DLP. They are a poor investment, and when I see people fawning over it with very little point of reference of how Disney could do better, it is an endorsement to do more of this. It makes me very angry. The fact that I was at Chessington World of Adventures yesterday and they did a good job with their Wild Asia area, and it is more compelling than this is worrisome. Disney is supposed to be world class. What is world class about this?
But as a market, DLP fans (mainly European) are more into this stuff. There is a preference of thrills too. Why? Because a lack of comparison to other options.
that was an opinion i could understand.
first, thanks for your courtesy and i'm very sorry for your "friend-job-story"
but back to the theme...for me (a european(german)), the tspl expansion is completele okay.
i have never been in another resort, but i have been at dlrp nearly every year since i was born...(i'm 16 now)
i accept your opinion and i more or less agree with you...i would love to see a "real disney" e ticket attraction,
but i also know that the resort has no money for big changes as maybe DCA has :(
for the moment i think tspl is good...the park needs new attractions which keep making the park interesting for "normal visitors"(which make a much bigger part than "we" do)....
i know about the disney standarts and i assess thevalue of it, but things like tspl is what the resort needed
in my opinion...
Just for fun and for a wider view:)
Here are just a few of the things different persons from around the globe on another forum say about TSPL:
"Hey ya, here are some new pics of the construction of this "beautiful Land"
not realy it will get really ugly, and for this they really pay 70millions!"
"While I don't agree with the land, since it's just tacky carnival rides, it's nice to see progress as well."
"I cannot see a bright side to this, other than attracting more guests to make more money and build good rides. But that's a cheat anyway cos they'll use the money to build more of this stuff."
"Looks like something you would never see at Disney."
"You wouldn't that's why it is in DLP"
"From the concept art I have seen, I would say it looks still better than Chester and Hester's Dinorama at DAK. Nevertheless I'm also not happy with TSPL."
"I kinda like the idea of Toy Story Playland but the rides seem to undetailed and simple and boring and cheap. They could've at least add TSM to the land so it would have at least somewhat quality themeing"
"Alain does a fantastic job of reporting, as usual, but this land still looks like a terrible waste to me.
I still don't understand how it makes sense in a Studios park, nor do I understand how Disney thinks moderately themed off-the-shelf carnival rides are going to result in any long-term attendance increases for the parks, especially when such an incredible park like Disneyland Paris is right next door. Did they learn nothing from California Adventure?"
"Good lord that thing is UGLY."
"Love Alain's site and his work...
Can't stand WDSP Playland. Ugh.In my mind, it is much worse than Flik's Fun Fair at DCA. Not a great direction for this already awful park."
"I'm just wondering what they were thinking when they built all these low capacity attractions. Do they not understand that they are Disney and that guest expect a higher level of storytelling and rides with huge capacity?
Can you imagine what the line will be like for that half pipe coaster? One car on the track. Load/ride/unload/safety check. OMG. It is going to be awful. Not only does it look like a boring ride, but people may end up waiting hours for it. The word of mouth is very likely going to be terrible.
But, all of it would have been just fine if it were part of the theme and overflow for a Toy Story Mania ride. This is what Imagineering and terrible executive management has done to Disneyland Resort Paris. SOOOOOO sad.
PLEASE, give these parks to Oriental Land Company before they are completely run into the ground!"
"Reminds me of 'Bug's Life', not too original."
"I wasn't aware of the height restrictions for RC Racer thats rather pathetic if you ask me. How many kids are going to see RC Racer in action because its so visible though out the park. And be left upset that they are unable to go on it for being too short."
"WTF? Is this Six Flags or Disney? They really screwed up here."
"I know some will say we should wait to see the final product before forming an opinion, but in my experience in the past ten years or so, what looked as if it might be crap when first announced turned out to indeed be crap when it opened."
"Looks just like the area in DCA, which while I've walked through I've never ridden anything in there.
While I think the area is dumb at DCA, it works because only families with kids go there, and since DCA isn't a very crowded park the area isn't very crowded.
The Half-Pipe coaster might draw older folk and I would guess will end up with quite a line.
I would much rather see one large attraction than 3 carnival rides."
"Wow RC Racers looks really big! But unfortunately, it's still ugly."
"Oh so that is how they get away giving guests a carny style experience at disney-style prices? That's so DAK/DCA!!! So what will be next? A Tilt-A-Wheel disguised as a slinky dog?"
"It looks cheap and tacky. Not very Disneylike. I hope for Disney's sake and ours that it is better than it looks."
"Alain said.. "brilliantly themed carnival rides". That's when I had to stop reading and go cry. I have to agree with Dustysage of course, please give these parks (and the entire Disney theme park division) to OLC so we can have some real Disney quality in the western hemisphere."
(A fan of DLP wrote:) "WDS needs these attractions. I dont care what people say you cant call wds a theame park a land or section of a theame park."
and a final one that I found amusing: "That looks amazing."
...just to get a wider view of what people around the globe say and think about this new land to hit the most amazing resort in Europe.
Dave-So sorry to hear your news, I think you're entitled to a cruddy day. Sending love
Fair dos TimmyTimmyTimmy-we're in a minority here. I'm thinking part ofwhat drives my enthusiasm for TSPL is I want this area to be a success so it brings in money to help build bigger and better rides. Making Studios into a park we can all be proud of-but I see there are a lot of views there that see TSPL doing the opposite. I do hope they're wrong.
I can see people who have spent a lot of time and money with Disney seeing something like TSPL as a real disappointment and probably heartbreaking this is the way DLP has gone instead of offering us a real Disney experience. I know this is what both you guys are trying to get over to us -that we are missing out on something big and if we had been offered the opportunity to experience top Disney standard we wouldnt accept anything less
The thing is I am probably similar to many on here that the only chance of viewing a Disney park is by going to DLP. For our family other Disney parks are out of reach financially. So we enjoy our times we get in DLP.
I know what you are saying and I understand it, but I am not lucky enough to have anything else to compare it with. You guys see it as not to Disney standard but tbh I have felt studios standards do not compare to her beautiful sister next door since it opened.Please remember I havent been in 3 years so not seen TOT in all its beauty.
However compared to other parks I still feel studios is better-here again my view is limited to Paultons Park (God lets not go there!) and Merlin parks
As for carnival rides, TSPL is not the only place to have carnival rides-we only have to look to fantasyland to find 3 straight away-yes with great theming but they are still what they are.
I think we're all gonna have to agree to disagree.
We'll see how I feel in 3 weeks and 2 days when I see it all for myself. Not that I'm counting! :lol: And I promise I'll take the rose tinted glasses off for a while :D
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Sorry folks, I know I went OTT. Not an excuse, but I lost a dear friend today and a job, then posted this.
Dont worry about it, you weren't the only one who went over the top me included, under the circumstances you are entitled to be a bit off.
And Timmy Timmy Timmy, thank your for all those quotes, fraid it doesn't change my opinion. In fact the only thing that will is when I see it for myself in the flesh.
Thanks guys, I may not post too much for a while. The bottom line for me is this. DLP when it opened in 1992 was the most amazing Disney park on the globe. Over the last 18 years, it in the main for me has been getting worse and worse. And the Studios, I felt was actually a good start, just not enough money spent on it and it needed tweaks. In fact I used to be one of the few defenders of the park, and I actually prefer it to DHS in WDW. ToT, Stitch Live and Playhouse Disney were really great additions (you will enjoy those Tubbsy, I am sure). But to see a carnival section go in (sorry, Disney should never be compared to Paultons) forthe cost of Toy Story Midway Mania and other better options, breaks my heart. Then to read so much praise about it really makes me see red.
Yes, I am a fool for buying property at DLP. But when I did, the company were moving in a fantastic direction and I never thought this would happen. And it is not unique to DLP, Disney are dumbing down their product across the globe.
And when times like yesterday hit, I used to be able to turn to Disney and find something to take the pain away. Instead I see a dumbing down like I do with the rest of society.
My son is excited about this section. He as also really disappointed he is too short to ride RC Racer. But given he rides Tower of Terror and the Vampire at Chessington, when it comes to thrills, when he is tall enough to ride, I suspect he will prefer to opt for RNR Coaster as it has the same height limit.
The appeal of this section is limited.
Let us put it another way - would you rather stroll around Frontierland or Adventureland, or this new land? Yes, I know the greenery will be welcome, and there are fun things to take pictures of (though how long until it becomes like the barrier laden Cars Race Rally?). But if it were still just grass, at least there would be hope of something great to come. Now, we are likely to be stuck with this for decades. And therein is my concern, in addition to the others points I have already laid out.
If more people kind of considered these issues (capacity will be the worst factor), they could let Disney know, so it doesn't happen again. And this looks pretty much exacly like the concept art (as I said it would - remember I have walked around the area with a hard hat when we were there, I was just not allowed to talk about it).
If you remember I was raising the alarm then (just like I did with Crush Coaster and was proven right about the waits and malfunctions). I was told let's wait and see what happens when it was built. And as I said at the time, then it would be too late.
Not €70k plus Euro have been spent, and the Pirate Ship, Castle and entertainment suffer from more neglect. And there is not something else cool in the pipeline for that area (though the Rat ride sounds interesting). And I (and everyone else) are denied the chance to wonder what if? What could come?
Yes, there is land to expand elsewhere here, but is this really the right direction? If you have to save up for three years to go somewhere, we wouldn't you want to expect the very best?
Okay, I understand that it is themed in a very different style to the areas in the main DLP - it's very minimalist, block colours, simple. But that is Toy Story's style and pallet. It would look out of place in the main park but I don't think that's the case in the Studios.
I don't think the appeal is limited at all. Toy Story is so very popular that people will love to be able to walk through such familiar sites. It's got in it a little uns ride, a low level thrill ride and then the parachute drop which looks perfectly family friendly to me.
I think it's incredibly hard to judge what the land truly looks like until you've walked through it. Personally I think the Andy's backyard idea is a good one and if the themeing has been made too busy, it just won't be Toy Story.
From a business pov, the park clearly needs this new land. If there aren't new attractions, people won't keep coming back in enough numbers, simple as. I would have loved a big coaster over there myself, but three new rides to experience next time I go sounds good to me!
Disapointment and heartbreake are two words that fit for what happend to Walt´s creation.
A Disneypark should NEVER be compared to anything else. That is why it was created.
Even if the entire world went zombie and started to visit WDS (will never happen) the park and addition IS mostly DISLIKED by fans and by people who see it. Fans of TSPL are minority. I am a part of the majority. I hate the place.
Read the comments I posted above... it is a fair view of what people think about it.
***Edited***
I will try to post less from now about TSPL, I am now only half a fan of DLRP.
Whilst I think we all appreciate that others from other boards outside of Europe may not like the addition to the park, would that may people from the States or Asia come to DLRP anyway? I know some would but the European market is the one they need to target if they ever want to make a profit.
I like the theming. Sorry but I do. I like the look of the rides too. As for the "funfair" aspect - I see more rides at the fairs that come here that are in Fantasy Land and Discovery Land than there.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"A Disneypark should NEVER be compared to anything else. That is why it was created.
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I'm sorry but thats life people compare things to eachother whether its different parks against Disney parks (And I have friends who have been to America and come back and rubbished Disney Parks comparing them to other holidays) and I believe people here compare one Disney Park against each other instead of seeing them as stand alone adventures.
I'm not going to be posting on this part very much anymore either as I find that its very depressing. I want to look forward to my hard worked for trip -not made to feel like I dont deserve to go because I want to see the new rides and theming and I dont know the Disney ethos through and through.
Quote from: "Clara2141"I like the theming. Sorry but I do. I like the look of the rides too. As for the "funfair" aspect - I see more rides at the fairs that come here that are in Fantasy Land and Discovery Land than there.
Which is entirely true of course. Tea cups, a carousel and Dumbo are all typical fair ground rides. Not to mention that Dumbo and Orbitron are virtually the same ride.
Theme parks need thrill rides if they're going to attract more than just those with very young children. Big rides are very expensive though and you need the smaller rides too. TSPL has one small ride and two medium ones.
Pixar's films are so beloved that Disney would be insane not to recognise that. They do have very different style from old school Disney though. In fact, they have very different style from each other; just compare Toy Story to Ratatouille.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Just for fun and for a wider view:)
Here are just a few of the things different persons from around the globe on another forum say about TSPL:
"Hey ya, here are some new pics of the construction of this "beautiful Land"
not realy it will get really ugly, and for this they really pay 70millions!"
"While I don't agree with the land, since it's just tacky carnival rides, it's nice to see progress as well."
"I cannot see a bright side to this, other than attracting more guests to make more money and build good rides. But that's a cheat anyway cos they'll use the money to build more of this stuff."
"Looks like something you would never see at Disney."
"You wouldn't that's why it is in DLP"
"From the concept art I have seen, I would say it looks still better than Chester and Hester's Dinorama at DAK. Nevertheless I'm also not happy with TSPL."
"I kinda like the idea of Toy Story Playland but the rides seem to undetailed and simple and boring and cheap. They could've at least add TSM to the land so it would have at least somewhat quality themeing"
"Alain does a fantastic job of reporting, as usual, but this land still looks like a terrible waste to me.
I still don't understand how it makes sense in a Studios park, nor do I understand how Disney thinks moderately themed off-the-shelf carnival rides are going to result in any long-term attendance increases for the parks, especially when such an incredible park like Disneyland Paris is right next door. Did they learn nothing from California Adventure?"
"Good lord that thing is UGLY."
"Love Alain's site and his work...
Can't stand WDSP Playland. Ugh.In my mind, it is much worse than Flik's Fun Fair at DCA. Not a great direction for this already awful park."
"I'm just wondering what they were thinking when they built all these low capacity attractions. Do they not understand that they are Disney and that guest expect a higher level of storytelling and rides with huge capacity?
Can you imagine what the line will be like for that half pipe coaster? One car on the track. Load/ride/unload/safety check. OMG. It is going to be awful. Not only does it look like a boring ride, but people may end up waiting hours for it. The word of mouth is very likely going to be terrible.
But, all of it would have been just fine if it were part of the theme and overflow for a Toy Story Mania ride. This is what Imagineering and terrible executive management has done to Disneyland Resort Paris. SOOOOOO sad.
PLEASE, give these parks to Oriental Land Company before they are completely run into the ground!"
"Reminds me of 'Bug's Life', not too original."
"I wasn't aware of the height restrictions for RC Racer thats rather pathetic if you ask me. How many kids are going to see RC Racer in action because its so visible though out the park. And be left upset that they are unable to go on it for being too short."
"WTF? Is this Six Flags or Disney? They really screwed up here."
"I know some will say we should wait to see the final product before forming an opinion, but in my experience in the past ten years or so, what looked as if it might be crap when first announced turned out to indeed be crap when it opened."
"Looks just like the area in DCA, which while I've walked through I've never ridden anything in there.
While I think the area is dumb at DCA, it works because only families with kids go there, and since DCA isn't a very crowded park the area isn't very crowded.
The Half-Pipe coaster might draw older folk and I would guess will end up with quite a line.
I would much rather see one large attraction than 3 carnival rides."
"Wow RC Racers looks really big! But unfortunately, it's still ugly."
"Oh so that is how they get away giving guests a carny style experience at disney-style prices? That's so DAK/DCA!!! So what will be next? A Tilt-A-Wheel disguised as a slinky dog?"
"It looks cheap and tacky. Not very Disneylike. I hope for Disney's sake and ours that it is better than it looks."
"Alain said.. "brilliantly themed carnival rides". That's when I had to stop reading and go cry. I have to agree with Dustysage of course, please give these parks (and the entire Disney theme park division) to OLC so we can have some real Disney quality in the western hemisphere."
(A fan of DLP wrote:) "WDS needs these attractions. I dont care what people say you cant call wds a theame park a land or section of a theame park."
and a final one that I found amusing: "That looks amazing."
...just to get a wider view of what people around the globe say and think about this new land to hit the most amazing resort in Europe.
could all be your posts....you won't impress me by trying to schow me that i was a minority
if everybody would think the same and if everybody would just repeat what was said before you wouldn't need a forum like this...i accept your opinion, but don't try to impress us by showing that everyone is against us
Quote from: "tubbsy"I'm not going to be posting on this part very much anymore either as I find that its very depressing. I want to look forward to my hard worked for trip -not made to feel like I dont deserve to go because I want to see the new rides and theming and I dont know the Disney ethos through and through.
Very well said. I hope you have a fantastic time. You sound like you've waited a whilst for this trip and you deserve to enjoy it. We're going in November and I'm quite excited about the parachute drop.
I for one love the look of RC racer too - the orange track looks like Hot Wheels track my brother had as a child. I like how it's a an updated version of a "pirate ship", a ride I love.
Oh and my Aunt has a house in Florida and she says she still prefers DLRP - mainly as it has the original PotC.
I've been put off posting on here for yonks, honestly some things that have been said are so rude.
I am REALLY excited to see TSPL as me and my bf have saved really hard for a year in order to be able to go on this trip and although I respect everyone has an opinion, I also believe that making people feel "bad" for being so excited to see new attractions isn't very nice at all. quote timmy "Fans of TSPL are minority. I am a part of the majority. I hate the place". Oh well, I guess being a minority is better than jumping on band wagons and actually enjoying life rather than moaning about things.
I am so excited to try out the RC racer!!!! but I think I am more excited to see the giant buzz haha!! now that's going to make an amazing piccie!!! 27 days time I will in TSPL and loving it :D
Quote from: "toritinker"I've been put off posting on here for yonks, honestly some things that have been said are so rude.
I am REALLY excited to see TSPL as me and my bf have saved really hard for a year in order to be able to go on this trip and although I respect everyone has an opinion, I also believe that making people feel "bad" for being so excited to see new attractions isn't very nice at all. quote timmy "Fans of TSPL are minority. I am a part of the majority. I hate the place". Oh well, I guess being a minority is better than jumping on band wagons and actually enjoying life rather than moaning about things.
I am so excited to try out the RC racer!!!! but I think I am more excited to see the giant buzz haha!! now that's going to make an amazing piccie!!! 27 days time I will in TSPL and loving it :D
Some people might expect higher standards for their money and Disney. I really like some of the things in WDS, like the coaster and the tower. I ment the old ones... I travel the world and see many different themeparks for my money that I work hard and very long for. All in all for me a trip to DLP with stay and food costs just as much as the same trip to Japan and DisneySEA would. My favorite park is DisneySEA and Disneyland Paris on the second place. When one enters DisneySEA the word WOW strikes the mind. It is like entering a harbour in the most beutiful city on earth. The paths and boats leads to far distant ports of imagination and history. The rides are all incredibly well made with details that I doubt even Disney can keep track of. I take it WDS is your favorite park. That is your oppinion not mine. I fill my visits at themeparks all over the world with fun and amazement of how the places look and feel. Trust me I enjoy my life... but not as much when in WDS. It has to do with what I am used to. Perhaps you are used to cheaper parks not that far away. Or perhaps you like many others here (but still in minority) just like the cheap look of Toy Story Playland.
I do find it a bit sad that someone can be amazed by a statue of Buzz... If amazement comes at such a low price then it not strange that people get angry when one calls Toy Story Playland bad.I truly wish that all of you one day get to see how a real disney second gate themepark should look.
This has gone WAY too far. I've been on a 5 day trip to London, only to find this.
TimmyTimmyTimmy, we KNOW you don't like Toy Story Playland. You made this very clear in nearly all the posts you made in the past. You're entitled to have that opinion, but the way you're expressing it, bringing down everyone else who disagrees with you, can no longer be tolerated by me nor Anthony. We both have been giving clear and polite warnings but his is going too far. Since nothing has changed, this is the last and final warning.
I too would just like to apologise about my part in this whole fiasco and hope anyone who is going has a fantastic trip.
Quote from: "toritinker"I've been put off posting on here for yonks, honestly some things that have been said are so rude.
I am REALLY excited to see TSPL as me and my bf have saved really hard for a year in order to be able to go on this trip and although I respect everyone has an opinion, I also believe that making people feel "bad" for being so excited to see new attractions isn't very nice at all. quote timmy "Fans of TSPL are minority. I am a part of the majority. I hate the place". Oh well, I guess being a minority is better than jumping on band wagons and actually enjoying life rather than moaning about things.
I am so excited to try out the RC racer!!!! but I think I am more excited to see the giant buzz haha!! now that's going to make an amazing piccie!!! 27 days time I will in TSPL and loving it :D
Well I don't find you sad at all for looking forward to Buzz :) Even the bit of the statue you can see poking over the top of the fences at the moment looks great. I love the way they've captured his expression really well - he has this great quizzically raised eyebrow. Kind of almost smug :D It's a much better likeness than the costume they use in the park.
I adore the Toy Story films - I think they're some of Disney and Pixar's finest ever work. The third makes me cry every time I see it. So beautifully done.
I'm hoping to get back to Disney this December since I've just missed the opening of TSPL. The RC rider looks particularly like my thing. I've never ridden such a ride before but apparently it's quite like a swinging ship so I think I'll enjoy that. I don't have much idea of what the army men drop will be like; from what I saw this week the drop is rather slow but it may look deceptively mild.
Thanks for this timmy "Perhaps you are used to cheaper parks not that far away. Or perhaps you like many others here (but still in minority) just like the cheap look of Toy Story Playland." :x
how nice of you to judge me when you don't know about my life. I've been lucky enough to visit the parks in America actually and I love DLP!!! It's as if you think just because you have money to travel so much (all you bang on about) that you can people that they are wrong for liking what they have saved hard for to see. Your post has made me feel really upset and quite angry. :( I hope you take note of the warning [-o< and this thread can return back to TSPL discussions (NOT you making people feel like rubbish!!!!!)
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Thanks Claire oooo I can't wait to see his expression, I am seeing the third one tomorrow, hope I don't cry! I hope you do manage to go in December, love the park at that time of the year! :D
It is very gentle and mild. At least the equal ride in DCA is, so I suspect this will not be very different.
Quote from: "toritinker"Thanks Claire oooo I can't wait to see his expression, I am seeing the third one tomorrow, hope I don't cry! I hope you do manage to go in December, love the park at that time of the year! :D
I think anyone who doesn't cry just isn't human imo! :D
I've been sorting out my videos from my trip and thought I should post this here: the army men drop testing. You can hear some of the Sarge voice over stuff. And I did take a peek over at the big Buzz too. Apologies for how wobbly it is - I had to take it whilst walking.
[youtube:10cn29a9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFzdwHq8LjA[/youtube:10cn29a9]
A little point I made earlier:
TSPL is like Marimite, you either love it or you hate it
Funny, I feel very much similar about MArmite to the way I feel about TSPL.
thanks for sharing your vid claire! yes can indeed hear the voice overs...wooo!! :)
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Funny, I feel very much similar about MArmite to the way I feel about TSPL.
Same, I love marmite and I love TSPL :) I think it may be the opposite with you though,, oh, well everybody's entitled to their own oppinions :)
Quote from: "DisneyMAD..Woops"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Funny, I feel very much similar about MArmite to the way I feel about TSPL.
Same, I love marmite and I love TSPL :) I think it may be the opposite with you though,, oh, well everybody's entitled to their own oppinions :)
:lol: Mbe we need to run a poll to see if our feelings about marmite and TSPL run parallel! We have one hate marmite and TSPL and two like marmite and the idea of TSPL! Now marmite with cheese spread! :lol:
Rob is hunting out all his potato head pieces and Jessie, Woody and Buzz are all primed for their trip in a few weeks-I am just going to have to try and persuade him to leave Mr Potato Head behind :lol:
haha i HATE marmite but LOVE TSPL!!!! :)
oh my, good luck taking all those toys hehe!!!
I'm going to be buying one of those pick n mix potato heads in disney hehe!!
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:lol: Ah my theory falls at the first hurdle! :P
I've told Rob about making his own Potato Head pick n mix so hopefully he'll leave him behind :D
For all the debates about TSPL nobody has been in it yet !! So no matter how many photos and videos over the fence we see you really can't tell what is is going to be like.Some people may be very disappointed when they thought they would love it, and some haters of it may end up quite liking it !
It is like trying to do a review of a meal in a restaurant by looking at a photo of a plate of food ! Just wait and see how it turns out !
I am not keen on the idea of it at all , but will wait till I have been to pass more comment !
Having personally done a walk through, I still hated it.
Well we'll all see soon enough. And like I said Dave I promise to take my rose tinted glasses off when we go. I can see Rob loving stuff but tbh just being back in Disney will hopefully take out the sting in the tail if we dont like it. I'm hoping I will like it-(sorry rose tinted glasses going on again)
I have never tried marmite :P , but i love toy story playland :thumbs:
I think everything ive seen so far looks really good :)
i always think it's better to look on the positive in life than think the worst of something. even in something you may not like, there is always a positive to be found :)
Quote from: "claire2281"Quote from: "toritinker"Thanks Claire oooo I can't wait to see his expression, I am seeing the third one tomorrow, hope I don't cry! I hope you do manage to go in December, love the park at that time of the year! :D
I think anyone who doesn't cry just isn't human imo! :D
I've been sorting out my videos from my trip and thought I should post this here: the army men drop testing. You can hear some of the Sarge voice over stuff. And I did take a peek over at the big Buzz too. Apologies for how wobbly it is - I had to take it whilst walking.
Thank you for that video - my other half is a bit nervous of thrill rides (I took her on Crush last year - she was not impressed) but that looks like something we can go on together. I like a lot.
And yes - anyone who doesn't cry or even just get tears in their eyes at TS3 is wrong, I sobbed and sobbed at the end. Attractive.
OK some quick news, inside the Blue Barrel is a small retail kiosk, perhaps selling similar stuff to the one planned for Hong Kong, although I can't remember what that one was meant to sell!
You'd think Toy Story Playland would have a proper shop selling... toys. Surely it's the perfect place to sell figures of Buzz Lightyear and Woody? Maybe they're waiting to build Toy Story Mania, where they'll put an indoor shop after the ride's unload area.
Quote from: "Alan"You'd think Toy Story Playland would have a proper shop selling... toys. Surely it's the perfect place to sell figures of Buzz Lightyear and Woody? Maybe they're waiting to build Toy Story Mania, where they'll put an indoor shop after the ride's unload area.
Perhaps someone calculated that a merchandise kiosk brings in the same revenue as a full-blown shop? I still don't get it either. Toy Story Playland will surely be the place to be this late summer and fall, and they won't have a shop to capitalize on it.
Anyway, that's not a very good spot for a vending location, isn't it? Bit of a bottleneck. Although it will see plenty of traffic.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Anyway, that's not a very good spot for a vending location, isn't it? Bit of a bottleneck. Although it will see plenty of traffic.
I think the kiosk will be in the open lid of the barrel, actually sitting just to the left of the tunnel. From the looks of some of the photos there's a nice shady circle there in front of it.
While the lack of a shop is weird, it's more surprising we haven't even heard of a single food kiosk. Will people really have to traipse all the way to the "Kool Zone" or that one opposite Cars (which possibly only sells ice cream)? Don't even mention toilets. It's a shame that will all the additions so far (expect perhaps for Tower of Terror) the food and retail, all this really essential infrastructure for a theme park, has appeared just as an afterthought... the operations teams move in a week before opening and think "right, where can we stick a hot dog truck?".
Ah, I hadn't spotted a lid. That makes sense.
And well, a hot dog cart is probably precisely what we'll see, of course... I'm sure they'll stick some light themeing on one of their ODVs. A Coca-Cola toy truck, perhaps? Which brings us to toilets again...
But personally, I still can't see how that makes sense from a business perspective. Aren't they far more likely to make a sale in an inviting building, where people seek shelter from the elements or simply a place to sit down? I for one have never bought anything from a merchandise cart and have only very rarely bought food or beverages from an ODV... And only when they sell something you can't get in the regular outlets, such as crêpes or those Perrier cocktails. But anyway, I suppose we'll never know.
Ratatouille might bring us all three missing facilities, anyway.
Hey guys!
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but whilst browsing I found this article on The New Toy Story Playland, whats the great thing about the article is that in the article there is a photo of REX which was taken inside Toy Story Playland by the journalist...So its nice to see it on picture before seeing it in real life! :thumbs:
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After reading all 103 pages tonight and becoming a member here I'm still wondering about 2 things.
They are building the same land in DLHK but you don't hear anybody about that.
Fot that park the only thing you hear about TSPL is:
WOW great and more of that stuff.
What is so diffrent between paris and hong kong I don't know.
Speaking for myself I don't like the land and I like the land.
The rides are not that interesting for me except rc racer but the theming is done great I think.
The second thing I found strange here is the way people speak to one another.
Steve says I like it and Danny goes back that Steve is mad because the park is the worst and this part is even worse and so on and so on.
Yes we know that WDS isn't the best Disney park out there but you can't compare 2 diffrent kind of parks with each other. For exsample we don't compare DLP with WDS do we so whe compare it with TDS yes it is another second gate but it has a whole diffrent theme.
There is even spoken that europeans don't know the Disney feeling(well excuse me but were did americans come from?????)
Also people say that for the price we pay here to get to DLP we can go to Tokyo or Orlando
Sorry but a ticket to Japan or the states are a little bit more expencive than the trip to DLP for us here in europe.
So after that's being said I hope that all of you who are there on 17th of august have a great time and I know that if you don't I will when I'm there in november.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Ratatouille might bring us all three missing facilities, anyway.
Yep, probably exactly what they're waiting for. Just unfortunate something couldn't have been planned to open now in the vein of Toilets of Terror.
Toilettes de Paris perhaps. The area could be lacking this stuff for two years or more if they wait for the Rat.
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Heyyy that's great! And Rex isn't in the planter like on the scale model or even behind a barrier? They probably realised people would climb
into the plants or over the barrier anyway, so that's good!
Not that I hoped for anything less, but these figures really are very sculpted and decorated. The detail and variety of all the other props is almost overwhelming for the Studios. Whatever the rides provide (or don't), it's good to have something purely fun with a lot of greenery and colour in our very serious concrete box park. (No, I still don't understand why Production Courtyard with its ridiculous name isn't given half the criticism of this land)
Wow! Rex looks amazing! So we have Buzz and Rex, are there any other characters? I am getting more excited! :D
I do agree though that they have missed a trick for people to have somewhere to sit down and eat. they could have even had a little shop within the cafe to sell merchandise. And as for hunting for toilets! My youngest is one of those that needs to go now! :lol:
"Sorry but a ticket to Japan or the states are a little bit more expencive than the trip to DLP for us here in europe."
Yes but a good place stay at, food and other expances? Airfare is much more expensive to Japan. But everything else is cheaper in Tokyo. It eavens out. I am sure one can find a rats nest to stay in Paris and eat garbage... but that was not what I ment. When it comes to the park experience we can´t even compare Japan To France. Two different worlds, one is great and the other is... not as great. You can go and experience Disney in Tokyo and get about the same standards for the same money as Paris.
Quote from: "tubbsy"Wow! Rex looks amazing! So we have Buzz and Rex, are there any other characters? I am getting more excited! :D
They are excellent - absolutely perfect likenesses!
And surely there has to be a Woody in there somewhere. Unless Andy's taken him inside with him ;)
rex looks amazing, thank you for sharing :) x
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy""Sorry but a ticket to Japan or the states are a little bit more expencive than the trip to DLP for us here in europe."
Yes but a good place stay at, food and other expances? Airfare is much more expensive to Japan. But everything else is cheaper in Tokyo. It eavens out. I am sure one can find a rats nest to stay in Paris and eat garbage... but that was not what I ment. When it comes to the park experience we can´t even compare Japan To France. Two different worlds, one is great and the other is... not as great. You can go and experience Disney in Tokyo and get about the same standards for the same money as Paris.
See now I'll be honest here TimmytimmyTimmy, I've only ever priced up America and it isnt cost effective for us as I have to book fairly late as DH's holiday times can be ..... unpredictable. We're really lucky to have been able to take advantage of the 40% So when pricing up for America at short notice its silly prices and not in the right direction.
Wow i think rex looks really cool. I would love to see him there :D
I wonder if eventually they will build a statue of woody or another character.
Tubbsy, the vast majority of British people who want to go on a Disney holiday go to DLP or WDW, they don't go to Japan for it. Like you we are also taking advantage of the 40% off and going to DLP in November for Disney's Bonfire night. If Timmy Timmy Timmy likes DisneySea the best then he has to go to Japan for it, and that's it. EuroDisney never promised us DisneySea in Europe. For anybody who knows the history of EuroDisney they will know that the second park was always going to be a studios. The Studios has started off small because when DLP first opened it lost a lot of money. I'm sure you will find much to enjoy in TSPL.
And to be fair, the original plan for the Studios was not that much grander than what we actually got.
Quote from: "ed-uk"The Studios has started off small because when DLP first opened it lost a lot of money.
That's not strictly true, is it. Disneyland Park was always a success. It was the seven resort hotels, which had very low occupancy rates, that lost the Resort as a whole "a lot of money".
No I'm sorry Alan it is true, EuroDisney lost a lot of money. The theme park was popular but the resort lost money. They have six big hotels and they were expensive, they still are. So they should have built less hotels. It doesn't matter, the project was not a financial success. So when they opened their second park, it wasn't going to be on the scale of DisneySea.
Hence some of my replies about the market, expectations and behaviours. I adore DLP. But I do wonder whether it should have been built in the first place.
Well they did build it, and I'm very glad they did. It gives me the chance to go to Disneyland every year, which I couldn't have done otherwise. I think they've tried to make the hotels cheaper. When we first went we could only stay at the Santa Fe, now we've tried them all and have taken advantage of their offers over the years.
What I ment was that Paris is an expensive city. Everyday items are alot cheaper in Japan. I am from Sweden and for someone in the Scandinavian region and many other places in Europe it could be just as expensive/cheap all in all for a visit in Tokyo Disney as Paris Disney...
When it comes to coments like that if I like DisneySEA so much why don´t I go there, all I can say is:
I will go there and you can be jelouse of it.
Enjoy TSPL! haha
...and the Rex statue does not impress me.
Good Timmy Timmy Timmy, you come from Sweden and can go to DisneySea. But I for one don't feel jealous. It's up to you. And it's up to me. I'm surprised you don't post on a DisneySea Fan forum. Maybe it hasn't got one?
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"But I do wonder whether it should have been built in the first place.
well i'm partly glad we got DLP, in the end, for those us who can't afford to go to the other parks around the globe, all we have to do is save a bit of cash, and hop over the channel, into france :D
Quote from: "ed-uk"Good Timmy Timmy Timmy, you come from Sweden and can go to DisneySea. But I for one don't feel jealous. It's up to you. And it's up to me. I'm surprised you don't post on a DisneySea Fan forum. Maybe it hasn't got one?
and?
Did you find anything bad about the fact that I simply stated that the same money can take a person sooo much further?
Doesn´t UK have malls with the TSPL rides in them?
Quote from: "MattyD24"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"But I do wonder whether it should have been built in the first place.
well i'm partly glad we got DLP, in the end, for those us who can't afford to go to the other parks around the globe, all we have to do is save a bit of cash, and hop over the channel, into france :D
Very true - our trip this November is costing us £400 - that's Eurostar, 2 nights at the hotel, breakfast, a Travelodge plus breakfast there the night before we travel and our park entry. Right now I can't afford £2,000 plus food etc for a holiday to Florida - as much as I love it there.
One day we will go to the states - right now Paris is quick, convenient and a lot less hassle and money. Get on a train, get off a train, go to park. There are aspects of DLRP that I prefer to Disney World too.
The other thing you need to remember is that not everyone is able to fly (medical reasons) and so dlrp is the ONLY disney park available to them!
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Doesn´t UK have malls with the TSPL rides in them?
No - our shopping centres do not. At least my town does not. Or the next town. If they did I think it would make a great improvement from the empty shops/pound shops.
Timmy Timmy Timmy, I don't know of any malls in the UK with rides like TSPL in them.
My town gets a funfair visit the town centre twice a year no rides like TSPL but there is a carrousel!
Do they have flying Elephants?
Quote from: "disneylandparisgirl"The other thing you need to remember is that not everyone is able to fly (medical reasons) and so dlrp is the ONLY disney park available to them!
i forgot about that, if you can't fly, you could do
1. cross channel ferry, i have done twice in 96, 99
2. drive over and use the Euro Tunnel service, where you drive your car on the train, which we did in 05
3. Eurostar, which my sister did back in June
Quote from: "disneylandparisgirl"My town gets a funfair visit the town centre twice a year no rides like TSPL but there is a carrousel!
Yes - at ours we have a ride like the Dumbo Elephants too, normally in the shape of planes - nothing like TSPL though. Unless you count the 50p kiddie rides at the supermarket. I think I have seen a Toy Story themed one before - maybe that's the mix up?
I hate flying so Eurostar is a life savour.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Do they have flying Elephants?
Sadly no they did bring something similar to the teacups once though! ;)
But sadly they both lacked the disney magic but thats what we go to dlrp for simple rides with added magic and disney themeing!
That's what it's all about, the Disney magic. That's why we go.
Quote from: "ed-uk"That's what it's all about, the Disney magic. That's why we go.
Exactly - every time I go to a Disney Park I have a few tears in my eyes when I see the castle from the top of Main Street.
I'm really looking forward to the Parachute Drop - we planed this trip specifically so the land would be open.
timmy thinks we will be jealous when he goes to DisneySea? hmmm NO.
But I think you will be jealous timmy when we all enjoy our selves on our well deserved holidays and you there tuting and sighing.
If you can't be a bit nicer to people and respect their opinions, I wish you would stop posting and leave the forum alone!!!!!!
I wish we had TSPL in shopping acardes lmao.... if only!!!
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Ah but thats the thing isnt it Tori? We can get all exited about our trips because we dont have anything like it in the Uk :)
no half pipes in Norwich Castle Mall either I'm afraid.
As for price we only went to DLRP the first time becasue we could get there for under £200 and we've been lucky enough to take the family to DLRP once a year ever since (love Eurostar :D/ ). There's no way on earth we can afford long enough to make the trip worthwhile if we were going to US or Japan. It's great for anyone to love a Disneyland park, wherever it is in the world, but for me Tokyo, Florida or LA are just too far away for us to do. Maybe in the future, we'll be able to save for a dream holiday but then I think Florida would probably be our preferred destination on the whole, DisneySEA looks wonderful but Florida would offer more to us if we're going on a once in lifetime holiday. And of course we love DLRP which feels like 'our' park and our children have bother grown up going there the same as some Americans grew up going to the US parks. So I guess TSPL is an addition to a park that we can go to and for us at least the choice of attractions and theming looks like it will be a whole lot of fun. WDS has slowly become a better and better park for us over the past 5 years and some of our best days have been spent there, and I hope many more to come.
TSPL is neither the best thing since sliced bread, nor the end of the world, but I think we'll be enjoying stepping through Andy's backyard when we're there for Halloween. :D
Tom Morrow posted this on DisneyCentral Plaza, I'm afraid its a google translation so the English gets a bit wierd but you can tell he's walked through the area pretty much operational and his impression at least seems very good.
"Hello everyone!
I'm also going to write you the record of this memorable day!
When we visited the future land, I could not help thinking: where do we? I had just spent a few hours before coming to WDS and go to Playland Park made me forget that I was in the Studios! The immersion is total, details abound and give a real impression of having been shrunk to the size of a toy.
During the visit, I discovered the new attractions:
Starting Parachute Drop I was surprised how fast is the attraction! I found the climb fairly toned and descents as well, but it has nothing to do with TOT and I am convinced that most young people will be happy to make a free fall "soft". We then visited the queue even if there is a deja vu (Crush is not far) with the first coverage area (plate), the desired immersion provides a different feeling: "small" green men are everywhere, they work and train ... you really feel in a military camp! Again, one discovers there are many details and you quickly realize that this toy Andy: there are a patchwork across the aspect of "plastic" but as it is predominantly the Searched mind: one is inside.
Zig Zag Tour Spin: We have not visited the queue. However, what we have seen, it is also rich in details and decorative elements! And when you approach the attraction, it is still massive and impressive (even more head and tail of Zig-Zag). It is true that the carnival spirit prevails in this attraction, but the theme, decorative objects and toys allow employees to create a warm and reassuring.
Finally, we have seen RC Racer: it's great! That is big! That is exciting! See the foot of the circuit, we feel that it still breath away (and even our guide confirmed). And then, what is striking is the queue: I am so long! But a simple line of barriers as Studio Tram Tour or cattle as a park for Armageddon, but a line winding, tortuous, taking a tour of toy cars (ah, my childhood moving back up ...) With plastic barriers, small pylons and light rail pieces as a real track! illusion is bluffing! As previously stated in another trip report, set pieces will be added and we had seen that part. The line covered, it is more conventional in its presentation, however, the walls are arranged to cut parts of toys (you know, the plastic sheets with your toy room up then!)
Regarding the vehicle itself, I will not say much for the surprise, but believe me, it's worth checking out!
More generally: the music was in operation during our visit, I could listen to tracks that passed and the atmosphere is truly Toy Story! It is indeed a full loop, which is different from the rest of Toon Studios! Friends fans, prick up your ears!
In conclusion, the visit reinforced my feelings have me on Playland: it will not be a simple extension as another, but rather a place apart. You can feel the true Imagineering, that makes you say "Wow" when you arrive, and makes you nostalgic when you leave! Find all the toys (including some of my childhood) made me nostalgic and I can not wait: they can not return, settle on a bench (also themed some type of wooden toys ), soak up the atmosphere and dream! Music with lights, everything is done to make you feel at home, whether one is long! And above all, the amount of detail that it will take some time to all visitors (and fans) to discover all.
Disney will strike a blow! Go ahead find Toy Story Playland, it's worth its weight in real coppers and become a staple of our Studios.
I think, without going too far, that we will finally have a complete fleet 2nd! And yet, even if some do not say , Beautiful things will happen!
The toys are taking over and so much more! Here Tom Morrow, the studios you ....!"
:P got to love google translate haven't you!
Thanks for posting. I've not read a bad revue on TSPL. Even Disney and More spoke well of it, and he has studied Disney themeing. He wrote the best book ever on DLP. If he had thought it rubbish he would have said so.
Great translation and good to hear positives about the area :)
I have just returned from DLP and here are my updated views on Toy Story Playland (bad in red and positive in green):
- I got to ride Crush - for me the negative development started with the Toon Studio addition. Crush is really great fun, but what does it have to with a studio. I did not see ONE studio reference in that attractions and I do not see this in TSPL either I'm afraid.
- The capacity of the rides. Crush was almost impossible to ride if you didn't ride it 9.45 as we did 3 mornings in a row. I can fear the same happening to especially RC Racer which will attract some of the european thrill seekers.
- I for one do not like the giant Buzz or Rex - that are just a bit too much for me + they and the many details of the land, which has to be colorful to be effictive, will require immersive refurbishing on a regular basis. Will this money be taken from refurbishing beautiful sights like Captain Hooks Ship, Main Street U.S.A or Fantasyland? I hope not.
- I am sure the rides will be popular with a lot of people no matter if they are american, asian, african or european. There are different kind of guests in a Disneyland park. (On my latest trip with my friend, he was mostly into the thrills while I love the traditional Disney attractions - we taught each other something of each parts and had a blast.) And please remember that the money is the same to Disney whether it comes from a passionate fan for 50 years or a newborn fan on his/her first trip. Let's just hope that this money will put into good use - for instance a mindblowing unique Ratatouille attraction, The Little Mermaid or something only the guys at WDI can come up with.
- The greenery - almost any greenery put into WDS is a plus in my book.
- If the feeling of being shrunk into the size of a toy is as impressive as stated by some witnesses it could prove to be a stroke - a small one though - of magic that will put this above things like Midway Mania, Fliks and Dinorama, although not as good as Mermaid Lagoon.
No matter what: one addition will not make me ignore or stay away from DLP. Is THAT what Walt would want? That you stay away from old, classic attractions (Pirates (the only without Jack S), Phantom Manor, BTM, Swiss Family Robinson Tree (not Tarzan), it's a small world) or new attractions that has the finesse, character and imagination that Walt admired and gave the world (Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, Cinémagique and Moteurs, Action...)
Hell, no... I have a fear of flying and I do not want to miss out on true Imagineering magic just because of one questionable addition.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"...and the Rex statue does not impress me.
Of course it wouldn't, you're too ignorant. Even if something with this did impress you, you wouldn't be able to admit it because how much you've slated this development. That my friend is called being ignorant.
I suspect we shall
never be seeing you in TSPL?
Quote from: "Martyn"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"...and the Rex statue does not impress me.
Of course it wouldn't, you're too ignorant. Even if something with this did impress you, you wouldn't be able to admit it because how much you've slated this development. That my friend is called being ignorant.
I suspect we shall never be seeing you in TSPL?
I have already stated that some of my very favorite rides of all Disney rides are in WDS... I saw a picture of Rex. Everybody semed to love it and getting excited about it. To me it was just a boring statue. I will visit TSPL and if the wait is under 15 minutes I will go on the rides. But it will be a once in a lifetime thing. "Been there done that" is a phrase that suits the land of toys in... the movie studio park.
There is no need for you to be rude calling me ignorant. Would an ignorant person be impressed by a carnival fair? I chose my pleasures in life very carefully. I have been the most negative person on this site when it come sto TSPL. But I never sank as low as pointing out personal things and calling people names.
Right. I can see where Timmy Timmy Timmy is coming from in terms of cost of DLRP in comparison to other Disney parks. I priced a stay in the DH for low season in November. Now including flights ( we live in Scotland so flights are the only realistic choice we have) it came to well over 2000 pounds -not including food for 6 nights. The NYH was just below the 2000 pounds. Now, we could get a package deal to Florida, admittedly not staying in a Disney hotel, for about the same price, but with a 2 year old child, we will leave this until she is a bit older.
In the end we are staying in a partner hotel off site.
I am looking forward to seeing what TSL has to offer. We are taking our 2 year old for ther second time, and found last year that there wasn't a huge amount for little tots in WDS. Now I think she will still only be able to ride on one of the rides but it's still something.
I think TTT that maybe you are not really the target audience that Disney has aimed for with this land.
I say this with the greatest respect, because yes you do have a lot of experience of Disney Parks, but Walt wanted Disney parks to be for everyone - all inclusive, that means new fans as well as old. And also you look a bit scary in your photo - but in a nice way! :lol:
I think the Rex looks well, gives the area more of a Toy Story identity in a way. Anyone know what size the statue is?
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"I have already stated that some of my very favorite rides of all Disney rides are in WDS... I saw a picture of Rex. Everybody semed to love it and getting excited about it. To me it was just a boring statue. I will visit TSPL and if the wait is under 15 minutes I will go on the rides. But it will be a once in a lifetime thing. "Been there done that" is a phrase that suits the land of toys in... the movie studio park.
So the Sorcerer's Apprentice in Front Lot is just a boring statue? As is the Disney Legends statue in Fantasia Gardens? ;) See what I mean?
Also if you want a 15 minute or less queue time you'll be lucky if you're visiting anytime soon after opening. It's obvious that these rides are going to eat up the guests because they're new.
Quote from: "-breeno-"I think the Rex looks well, gives the area more of a Toy Story identity in a way. Anyone know what size the statue is?
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"I have already stated that some of my very favorite rides of all Disney rides are in WDS... I saw a picture of Rex. Everybody semed to love it and getting excited about it. To me it was just a boring statue. I will visit TSPL and if the wait is under 15 minutes I will go on the rides. But it will be a once in a lifetime thing. "Been there done that" is a phrase that suits the land of toys in... the movie studio park.
So the Sorcerer's Apprentice in Front Lot is just a boring statue? As is the Disney Legends statue in Fantasia Gardens? ;) See what I mean?
Also if you want a 15 minute or less queue time you'll be lucky if you're visiting anytime soon after opening. It's obvious that these rides are going to eat up the guests because they're new.
If you compare Mickey Mouse to Rex... then you don´t have a clue about what is Disney.
Quote from: "lorrig"Right. I can see where Timmy Timmy Timmy is coming from in terms of cost of DLRP in comparison to other Disney parks. I priced a stay in the DH for low season in November. Now including flights ( we live in Scotland so flights are the only realistic choice we have) it came to well over 2000 pounds -not including food for 6 nights. The NYH was just below the 2000 pounds. Now, we could get a package deal to Florida, admittedly not staying in a Disney hotel, for about the same price, but with a 2 year old child, we will leave this until she is a bit older.
In the end we are staying in a partner hotel off site.
I am looking forward to seeing what TSL has to offer. We are taking our 2 year old for ther second time, and found last year that there wasn't a huge amount for little tots in WDS. Now I think she will still only be able to ride on one of the rides but it's still something.
I think TTT that maybe you are not really the target audience that Disney has aimed for with this land.
I say this with the greatest respect, because yes you do have a lot of experience of Disney Parks, but Walt wanted Disney parks to be for everyone - all inclusive, that means new fans as well as old. And also you look a bit scary in your photo - but in a nice way! :lol:
Only 2 of the three rides are for children. Who is the target? Kidds, teens, their parents or just Toylovers?
Seriously... the target is the same as for these places (and that sure is not me):
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What do you guys say about these places huh? You gotta love em;)
Shudder. Having walked around all three, shudder.
Flick's is the least loatheful of them. But these are definately the worst of Disney.
Ok you two, I think we get the idea now.
We're three weeks from opening, so forgive some people if they seem a little over-enthusiastic. Why not just let the dust settle and come back after opening, rather than trying to overstate how bad something is which most people haven't seen yet?
DLP.info posted some new photos, if you'd like to spoil the surprise: http://www.dlp.info/News/2010/08/step-i ... -playland/ (http://www.dlp.info/News/2010/08/step-into-toy-story-playland/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
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I will refrain from replying
I hope those light's actually work.
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* Jealous :-"
Way awesome!
For what it is, it looks okay, even very good. It's clear that they have this oversized toy thing down (they've had plenty of practice I suppose).
I like the type of greenery they've used behind all the K'NEX-style railing... It really does look like oversized grass, and should help to distract from the bamboo, which doesn't really look like grass, of course.
I also think it looks far better than Flik's Fun Fair, simply because the plasticky, static nature of toys lends itself better for this type of land than all that flora and fauna from A Bug's Life. Oversized Tinkertoys look a lot more believable than oversized clovers. Besides, it's fun Americana.
So (somewhat reluctant) thumbs up from me. I just wish there was some reason to go there other than to look at the scenery.
I wonder what the area loop sounds like?
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This actualy looks good. Very well themed. Can't wait to see the rides themselves!
Hmmm...I dont like the domino's, or the K-nex fencing much.
These photos have me genuinely quite excited (like Pussinboots, "for what it is"). Perhaps the angles are quite forgiving, but it seems like you can't even tell you're in the same park. Stand anywhere else in the Studios and you can see every other attraction straight away. Here you're finally lost inside a single, totally convincing theme.
I like how the "dirt" ground continues throughout the area and beyond the paths (see the giant Luxo Jr ball) - the barriers are stuck in it like sticks in sand, there's no noticeable edge to the path. It's also nice to see the subtle changes in elevation which make a massive difference to the feeling of any land.
Is the area loop taken from the Midway Mania queue by any chance? Does that have a suitable loop?
I don't know how long it is (needs to be 1hr+ for a land I guess), but the Midway Mania loop would work well:
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It's luckily not as frenetic as I thought.
Quote from: "Martyn"Hmmm...I dont like the domino's, or the K-nex fencing much.
Really? I think it looks good. Like said before the bright colours and plasticky feel works well for something like Toy Story. All the greenery looks great too, like Anthony said the high 'grass' creates a secluded feel to area which is something you can't find anywhere in WDS yet.
Quote from: "Anthony"I don't know how long it is (needs to be 1hr+ for a land I guess), but the Midway Mania loop would work well:
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It's luckily not as frenetic as I thought.
I was just about to link to those... That would work for me. Mercifully free of Randy Newman, as well.
Elsewhere in the park, the music never quite matches its surroundings (lovely Alan Menken music filling an asphalt concourse, etc.), or there's something spoiling the immersion (even at the Tower of Terror.) Toy Story Playland should provide a welcome change there...
It's a thumbs up from me.
It looks immersive, colourful, fun, warm and consistent. If you think of it as a brother of A Bug's Land, and not the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, it's quite satisfying. You have to remember that it's been designed as a small-ish area for kids, and not as some mega attraction for grown-ups. It's definitely got the Disney quality, in terms of details and theming. You wouldn't find this at Thorpe Park.
I think it looks brilliant. A breath of fresh air for the Studios Park.
I like the look of this :) Can't wait to see it in person now!
Looks better than I thought it would :)
The themeing looks very good and its nice to see an area of WDS thats main feature is not concrete! :thumbs:
I'm there on the 17th and 18th so I will try to take in lots of details!
The Disney & more blog confirms that TSP will feature a small merchandise shop and a quick service location for drinks. It's located at the exit towards Ratatouille.
"Guests will then exit TSP walking through a blue monkey barrel - in fact the monkeys are hanged outside the barrel. The top of the barrel is located nearby and inside guests will find a merchandise shop as well as cool drinks ."
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I hope the area-loop makes you feel like your in the garden.
With the sound of insects, lawn mowers, maybe the odd dog bark, birds chirping and even maybe a wind chime?
Loving those pictures - the attention to detail looks spot on, particularly the Luxo ball and the giant Andy's footprint :D
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:lol: Sorry impolite of me to laugh, but thought that was a cracking response.
Cant wait to see it for myself, it is looking good :D
wow loving the new photos, so bright and cheery!
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A little more constructive, I hate to say it, but for those of you that do not consider alternative parks, you might want to check out the comparible Wild Asia section at Chessington World of Adventures. Still nothing to get overly excited about, but it is a better quality (having walked through both areas).
We we decided last Wednasday to surprise the kids with a trip to Chessington World of Adventures using our Merlin Annual Passes (so far we have saved £1550 - $2330 using them, bargain).
We arrived a little after 11, after a slow start with heavy traffic, an hour after opening. We started with a meander through Hocus Pocus Hall, a child friendly, 3D horror maze, where the Imps come alive. It is like a good old fashioned fun house with air cannons to surprise, things that jump and a mirror maze. Mikey loved it, and sadly, Jessica is still scared of it.
We then let the kids do some kiddy rides like the berry bounce while I made some work calls. I have a new potential opportunity only 40 miles from our house, and another in Sub Saharan Africa.
Then into the new Area Wild Asia. This is excellent, and feels like a slightly cheaper version of Disney's Animal Kingdom. Although the rides and theming got thumbs up, it was the ability to feed the lorikeets and the interactive talking tree that really got the kids' (and daddy's attention). We had a really great time here. Being in Wild Asia, Duck Hoi Sin Noodles and sweet and Sour chicken with spring rolls were the order of the day for lunch. What is scary is it is superior to the new TSPL. I don't know what universe we are in, but Disney used to be the very best.
After lunch it was on to the Pirate Ship (the kids wanted to sit at the back, and Jess, being 5, got some killer air time, i had to hold her down), a trip through the lovely Bubbleworks dark ride (not as great as it used to be sadly, but still fun) and the kids were finally big enough (and daddy small enough - I would have not fit on last time I was here) to all ride the Vampire as a family. This was the UK's first suspended coaster, and though there are no inversions, this one packs a punch. The kids loved it (we thought they might be a bit nervous, but it became their favorite attraction - along with feeding the birds).
We then enjoyed a monorail ride over the animal enclosures, followed by a trip through the Tomb Blaster. This used to be a wonderful darkride, almost of the quality in some ways as the indy dark ride in Calfiornia. Sadly, even before Disney got the bug, they decided to make this another lame lazer tag ride (an excuse for reduced maintenance of the AA's if you ask me). It is still fun, but nowhere near as much as it used to be. Half way in line, Jess needed the loo (although she did, it turned out to be an excuse, she did not want to tell Daddy the ride scares her - lol), Mikey and I had fun.
Then it was off on the Runaway mine train, a dinner of Fajitas, Tacos, Spicy Wedges and nachos for dinner, then a trek around to see some of the animals.
I am really impressed with the Savannah behind the Holiday Inn, it now means we have something like Animal Kingdom lodge on our door step. Ok, it is only 5 zebra and 2 scimitar oryx, but still for a place that costs a fraction and has better service than AKL, this is cool.
At 6:30 we had to say goodbye after the park closed, and founght our way for near 3 hours to drive the 82 miles home. Sadly there was a major accident coupled with significant roadwarks.
I used to be very impressed with Chessington in the past, and with the new Wild Asia section and the excellent zoo work near the hotel that emerged this year, I am really excited about what the future brings.
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This actualy looks good. Very well themed. Can't wait to see the rides themselves!
Wow! This does like a good place, I thought it would be tacky but Disney proved me wrong.
It all looks very high quality. Lots of attention to detail. I'm really looking forward to seeing it in person. Does anyone know, will it be open next Tuesday (10th August 2010)?
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Quote from: "Alan"It all looks very high quality. Lots of attention to detail. I'm really looking forward to seeing it in person. Does anyone know, will it be open next Tuesday (10th August 2010)?
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I thought I just stop writing in this thread... but I just have to ask WHAT is "very high quality" about it? If this is "very high quality" then what is everything else that is better? It does not have alot detail at all, looks very cheap and simple... a green shed. Explain what is great about it and I will shut up. I truly do not undertand how a simple and cheap structure like that can be anything else aweful.
Please don´t write that "we know you hate it get over it"
Everytime a new picture comes up most of you writes the same things all over, just like me.
I'm amazed there are no ugly loose wires or loudspeakers in that queue line (a la Cars (//http://www.dlrpmagic.com/guidebook/walt-disney-studios-park/toon-studio/cars-quatre-roues-rallye/images_gallery_28.jpg), Crush and Carpets). Good news! Now if only WDI could be allowed to go back and tidy up those other queues.
Having Brio (wooden railway) track as curved benches is just inspired.
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I'd completely forgotten that even existed, but I've got a whole box somewhere. Even a wooden Eurostar, long before I was catching the train to DLP! This is at least fulfilling one Walt quote - that one about taking you back to your childhood and "a clean, unspoilt place deep down inside all of us"... can't remember it exactly. It's fun for kids and nostalgic for adults, anyway.
I love the k'nex and the Biro train track - it really does look like my playroom as a child
TTT, I think Alan is referring to the full DLPinfo article here;
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you probably won't like anything in it, but thats up to you whether you want to go there. I'd love to hear anything new you have to say about it though.
I think the article shows some really nice touches myself, the train track seats look great and dealing with any spoils like air con etc are also just what the area needed.
@ davewasbaloo:
Last time I checked, this wasn't the tripreport section. I'm getting a bit tired of this TSP bashing all the time. WE GET IT. You don't like it and think 'Disney lost their way' and 'they used to be the best' and all those other one-liners you post every half hour. Maybe you can leave this topic alone if the only thing you're posting is negative comments about everything regarding TSP? Expressing your opion is the sole purpose of a forum, but you made your point now way too often. Thank you.
@ TimmyTimmyTimmy:
"I thought I just stop writing in this thread..."
That's a very good idea. See comment above.
Having seen the pictures, the theming of the land is excellent and those extra touches will make it a really interesting area to walk around.
With regards to the negative comments, perhaps another thread with them and any future ones can be created?
Maybe we post our disdain because we too are mortified by the happy clappy approach where people are fawning over this rubbish over and over again. The trip report was to exemplify the contrast of another (VERY SIMILAR) area in another park that is very comparible. The difference is that park does not consider itself to be world class and charge a king's ransom for people to go.
Maybe you can leave this topic alone if all you want to do is post glowing reviews. My opinion is just as valid as yours and so is Timmy Timmy Timmy's. Maybe you can leave this topic alone if the only thing you're posting is positive comments about everything regarding TSP? Expressing opinions is the point of this forum, but the people that love it have made their points now way too often. Thank you.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"It does not have alot detail at all, looks very cheap and simple... a green shed. Explain what is great about it and I will shut up. I truly do not undertand how a simple and cheap structure like that can be anything else aweful.
Have you ever actually watched Toy Story? The colour pallet and style of the film is very bold and simple, fitting in with the simple toy theme. Anything overly complicated in the styling here would have been totally wrong.
Maybe you're too in love with the older style Fantasyland like Disney to see this but Toy Story is a COMPLETELY different style to the old school films. The more I see of the TSPL pictures, the more I think they have caught this style brilliantly.
Just because it isn't to your taste, doesn't mean it is bad. Toy Story is massively popular (the third film is about to break into the top 10 of all time for box office receipts, I expect it will be easily in the top 5). Disney would have been utter fools to ignore Pixar's genius franchise and it seems they've really done it justice.
Quote from: "Adam"With regards to the negative comments, perhaps another thread with them and any future ones can be created?
Why? Is this not a discussiong thread about TSP opening on the 17th Aug?
We're sinking back to where we were before guys-everyone is entitled to our opinion. I actually think that the green army men pic is a bit ..... m'eh really, whereas the rest of it looks fab. My opinion.
As Anthony said its great to see care has been taken to cover up wires n piping, great to see this touch as I thought that this was a real let down in other queue areas inWDS. I dont know if flying carpets has changed since we were last there but I hope so because I thought it was pretty awful-very bare and a real add on-I'll see in a few weeks if its changed.
I love the seating very clever :D
You will hopefully be very pleased with the carpets Tubbsy, on the front side are palm trees and arabian lights now.
One positive thing I will say about this land (besides the introduction of needed greenery), is that it does what it says on the tin. It does look like a giant kid has been playing and using other bits of toys and junk to create a play set scene.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Adam"With regards to the negative comments, perhaps another thread with them and any future ones can be created?
Why? Is this not a discussing thread about TSP opening on the 17th Aug?
Because, evidently, some people do not like the negative comments and equally, some don't like the positive ones. Whilst this is obviously the case in a lot of topics, this one is very polar and it would resolve any problems.
However, as I can evidently see within a short time of me posting this, people are already against the idea! Therefore, please ignore me - I shouldn't have bothered!
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"One positive thing I will say about this land (besides the introduction of needed greenery), is that it does what it says on the tin. It does look like a giant kid has been playing and using other bits of toys and junk to create a play set scene.
And that's why I think it has a charm - it's quite simple and looks like my playroom when I was a child. I was 9 when TS first came out and a lot of the toys are from my generation.
However I do take offence to being called "happy clappy" just because I think this land is a welcome addition. I personally think it is far in a way better than "Toon Studio" which has little theming and looks like the rides fell out of the sky and landed there. In fact I think that this lane is more in the Disney way of doing things than any other part of the eyesore that is WDS. But, of course, you are welcome not to agree.
I respect the fact that some don't like it. But please, don't try to make those who are looking forward to it feel like they are any less of a Disney fan or less intelligent. We all have different tastes and likes.
All, please respect each others opinions :thumbs:
Some see it as fun and some see is as a degradation, but please don't spoil the harmony on this fantastic
forum with disagreements.
Discussion is good, but hurt feelings because of it not.
@Anthony/Kristof, please watch this somewhat closer if possible guys.
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It's a welcome addition to the WDS imho and it looks okay, but it lacks that extra magical piece of Imagineering.
So hopefully the next addition will be more in honour of Walt and his believes.
Quote from: "Clara2141"I personally think it is far in a way better than "Toon Studio" which has little theming and looks like the rides fell out of the sky and landed there. In fact I think that this lane is more in the Disney way of doing things than any other part of the eyesore that is WDS.
I totally agree with that. Toy Story Playland appears to be immersive, in that, you can stand in the middle of it and be completely surrounded (360 degrees) by the world of Toy Story. The same can't be said for Toon Studio, because there are so many different themes in such a small area.
When I said Toy Story Playland was well themed, I meant, they've executed the idea to a very high standard. Now, you could argue that the idea wasn't such a great one in the first place, because of its simplistic plastic nature. But the way I see it is, they decided to build a land based on Toy Story, and they've done the best job they can.
Disney would happily build this in Walt Disney World or Disneyland California. We haven't got some crappy European version. This is Disney doing Toy Story, the best they can. And I think we should all be satisfied with that. I'm just pleased they've moved on from the dark days of 2002, when they were big on tarmac and corrugated metal.
Quote from: "Alan"Quote from: "Clara2141"I personally think it is far in a way better than "Toon Studio" which has little theming and looks like the rides fell out of the sky and landed there. In fact I think that this lane is more in the Disney way of doing things than any other part of the eyesore that is WDS.
I totally agree with that. Toy Story Playland appears to be immersive, in that, you can stand in the middle of it and be completely surrounded (360 degrees) by the world of Toy Story. The same can't be said for Toon Studio, because there are so many different themes in such a small area.
When I said Toy Story Playland was well themed, I meant, they've executed the idea to a very high standard. Now, you could argue that the idea wasn't such a great one in the first place, because of its simplistic plastic nature. But the way I see it is, they decided to build a land based on Toy Story, and they've done the best job they can.
Disney would happily build this in Walt Disney World or Disneyland California. We haven't got some crappy European version. This is Disney doing Toy Story, the best they can. And I think we should all be satisfied with that. I'm just pleased they've moved on from the dark days of 2002, when they were big on tarmac and corrugated metal.
Very true - I feel that if they had decided to place this in WDW it would look exactly the same. Whether or not this was a good concept, that they have created the best land they could out of the theme. I'm so, so pleased that they have gone back to actually being able/wanting to put a true theme into what they are doing now.
And the tarmac in WDS upsets me.
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Quote from: "Clara2141"I respect the fact that some don't like it. But please, don't try to make those who are looking forward to it feel like they are any less of a Disney fan or less intelligent.
Yes, I'm tired of seeing people having to justify every vaguely positive opinion here.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"My opinion is just as valid as yours and so is Timmy Timmy Timmy's.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Expressing opinions is the point of this forum, but the people that love it have made their points now way too often. Thank you.
No no no. As others have already said many pages back, I get the feeling that some people feel their opinions are rather
more valid than others. And to say
other people have made their point too often? Please, read back your posts sometime, consider what you've been writing.
Criticisms are great, negative
opinions are very welcome (there are a LOT of both in this topic, very well thought-out and put across), but having this constant singular opinion taking us back to this point has been stifling the topic, maybe the forum, for months. I'm sending a quick message.
Everyone else, please continue... new photos above...
I love the shot of the RC Racer, thank you for sharing them.
I see. New info or photos go up, and people have positive to say that is ok (even if they said it before). If the photos go up and finally I might find something positive to say, that may or may not be ok dependent on whether people agree with me. If my opinion remains the same or worsens by the new information, that is not ok.
Does not seem like a discussion board to me by that rationale. :evil:
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loving the new photographs!!! I think the benches look wicked, really well thought out!
Getting me even more excited the more pics I see!
Quote from: "DopeyDad"http://www.dlp.info/News/2010/08/the-toy-soliders-and-their-parachute-drop-really-close-up/
TTT, I think Alan is referring to the full DLPinfo article here;
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you probably won't like anything in it, but thats up to you whether you want to go there. I'd love to hear anything new you have to say about it though.
I think the article shows some really nice touches myself, the train track seats look great and dealing with any spoils like air con etc are also just what the area needed.
But it´s just a bunch of green sheds... not very much to look at all. A bit wierd to see a war themed section in a Disneypark...
As I mentioned... I still don´t see how this can be "very high quality". I think one has to define that. I can always back up my views by comparing different parks and by looking at the Disney themepark past. To just state that this is "very high quality" is worse than just simply hating by first glance.
The good thing is that it is easy to repaint.
The grass looks better tahn I´d thought it would do. I do have to add that it is indeed fun that they use classic toys from outside the Disney "realm". I´d just rather see some kind of a train ride insted of a... bench.
As long as YOU all post what you think... so will I. If it breaks the Magic Forum rules... kick me out.
When new pictures comes I´ll comment them.
Tuvok... you made me change my mind.
Is this VHDQ? ...Very High Disney Quality? If yes... what is low Disney quality?:
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I love the K'nex - we had boxes and boxes of that stuff as children. I love all the colour. It brings a lot of much needed (imho) brightness to WDS.
I must say, I'm not really impressed with the Parachute Drop queue. In the concept art it looked dimly lit and very atmospheric. Where as the actual army hut has daylight pouring in, the rest of the land looks very good though. Can't wait to see it for myself.
Quote from: "Alan"When I said Toy Story Playland was well themed, I meant, they've executed the idea to a very high standard. Now, you could argue that the idea wasn't such a great one in the first place, because of its simplistic plastic nature. But the way I see it is, they decided to build a land based on Toy Story, and they've done the best job they can.
Absolutely 100% nail on head. The land is extremely Toy Story and completely fits the look of the films. To have do it any differently wouldn't have worked. The army men stuff looks exactly like a giant set of army men toys.
I do wonder if those criticising it so vehemently actually like the franchise at all.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Is this VHDQ? ...Very High Disney Quality? If yes... what is low Disney quality?:
You're confusing quality with style here. You don't like the style, fair enough. The quality however is very good.
Quote from: "claire2281"You're confusing quality with style here. You don't like the style, fair enough. The quality however is very good.
Nail on the head right back at you :-) The style may not be to everyone's taste, but the quality of what they've built is very good.
The queue to Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop isn't supposed to place you in the gritty realism of modern warfare. Those figures aren't supposed to be real soldiers. You're not supposed to believe you're out in Afghanistan. Everything is supposed to be a toy. Everything is supposed to look simple and plastic. That's the idea, that's the style. If it
did look incredibly rich and complex, it wouldn't look like an oversized toy, and Disney would've failed.
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Quote from: "claire2281"Quote from: "Alan"When I said Toy Story Playland was well themed, I meant, they've executed the idea to a very high standard. Now, you could argue that the idea wasn't such a great one in the first place, because of its simplistic plastic nature. But the way I see it is, they decided to build a land based on Toy Story, and they've done the best job they can.
Absolutely 100% nail on head. The land is extremely Toy Story and completely fits the look of the films. To have do it any differently wouldn't have worked. The army men stuff looks exactly like a giant set of army men toys.
I do wonder if those criticising it so vehemently actually like the franchise at all.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Is this VHDQ? ...Very High Disney Quality? If yes... what is low Disney quality?:
You're confusing quality with style here. You don't like the style, fair enough. The quality however is very good.
Sooo... an e-ticket would be a bad thing? This was the only right thing to do?
"Everything is supposed to look simple and plastic."
It sure does! Thank you Walt Disney:)
Quote from: "Clara2141"However I do take offence to being called "happy clappy" just because I think this land is a welcome addition. I personally think it is far in a way better than "Toon Studio" which has little theming and looks like the rides fell out of the sky and landed there. In fact I think that this lane is more in the Disney way of doing things than any other part of the eyesore that is WDS.
Yes, I agree. It is certainly far better than the pile of randomness that is the "old" Toon Studio. ("Pixar soup" I used to be fond of saying.) I suppose it's the first themed area of the park that makes sense from all angles.
I have to say the Parachute Drop queue is a bit of a throwback to the old Walt Disney Studios, with all that corrugated metal and those familiar industrial light fixtures, but I suppose they have an excuse this time. The themeing is consistent and, as Anthony said, there aren't any loose wires hanging about.
I suppose what it comes down to is that corners may have been cut financially, but none thematically. The Imagineers are finally learning to make the best of the low, low budgets of modern Disney.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Sooo... an e-ticket would be a bad thing? This was the only right thing to do?
An e-ticket would be a great thing. I would love for them to build an e-ticket attraction at the Studios. And from what we're hearing, Ratatouille will be one (in terms of its technology).
To be totally honest, I much prefer the more adult themes and styles of Expedition Everest, the Indiana Jones Adventure and Journey to the Centre of the Earth. I would much rather they'd built one of those rides, than Toy Story Playland. But, they didn't.
Well, to be honest, I can't wait to go to TSPL, it opens while i'm there, the day after my birthday (16th) and I'm going to enjoy looking around and taking pictures to put in my trip report, I agree that everything's suppost to look cheap and plastic, it's a toy world! Toys are cheap and plastic like if you actually WATCH toy story (3rd made me cry :'( ) then it's VERY well themed. I've been waiting for DLRP to make somethign toy story, it's such a big franchise, I'm quite suprised it took them this long :/
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Quote from: "DisneyMAD..Woops"I've been waiting for DLRP to make somethign toy story, it's such a big franchise, I'm quite suprised it took them this long :/
There is Buzz Lightyear's laser blast in Discoveryland and Woody's Round-up Village in Frontierland :).
Woody's round-up village is fairly temporary though and a bit out of the way (also wasn't there last time we went)
I think the pics look quite good, very well themed!
davewasbaloo and TTT we have no problem with you expressing your opinion all we ask is if you could do it without insulting the intelligence of those who like what has been done please!
=D> well said
Quote from: "Anthony"I'd completely forgotten that even existed, but I've got a whole box somewhere. Even a wooden Eurostar, long before I was catching the train to DLP! This is at least fulfilling one Walt quote - that one about taking you back to your childhood and "a clean, unspoilt place deep down inside all of us"... can't remember it exactly. It's fun for kids and nostalgic for adults, anyway.
Completely agree. Every time I see new photos of the area I think to myself "I used that have that!" or "Hey, I had one of those!" It brings back a huge amount of nostalgia for me anyway, even the RC reminds of the the radio controlled one I had the Buzz at the entrance reminds me of the original from the 90s I have lying around somewhere.
Quote from: "Alan"The queue to Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop isn't supposed to place you in the gritty realism of modern warfare. Those figures aren't supposed to be real soldiers. You're not supposed to believe you're out in Afghanistan. Everything is supposed to be a toy. Everything is supposed to look simple and plastic. That's the idea, that's the style. If it did look incredibly rich and complex, it wouldn't look like an oversized toy, and Disney would've failed.
Agreed, the theme of the attraction is
toy soldiers, not real Marines so in that sense they've pulled it off very well. I like the inside of the Parachute drop simply for this and also from a guy who plays a lot of realistic war video games, I find it funny seeing the little plastic radios and jeeps and such.
Quote from: "disneylandparisgirl"Woody's round-up village is fairly temporary though and a bit out of the way (also wasn't there last time we went)
I think the pics look quite good, very well themed!
davewasbaloo and TTT we have no problem with you expressing your opinion all we ask is if you could do it without insulting the intelligence of those who like what has been done please!
The only one who insulted anyones intelligence is Disney for building 3 pointless rides.
It´s just a matter of time until they put Buzz in Space Mountain and call it Mission 3.
...or how about Pirates Of The Caribbean Feat. Buzz Lightyear And Friends
4 Toy Story rides... but no Pooh ride...
...but Iike the way the grass looks in TSPL.
First of all TimmyTimmyTimmy what time did you write that???? I thought I was an early riser! (sorry off topic but couldnt help notice :roll: :lol: )
OK, trying to think how to word this, cos I feel like I am being pulled in two different directions, so please bare with me
I do think that there is a lot of Toy Story in the parks. I know Woodys round up is supposed to be temporary but I feel that Toy Story has been shoe horned into different parts of the parks and, I would have preferred, in my honest own opinion, to have had everything in one area. If we're gonna have a Toy Story Playland, lets have one big amazing area with an eatery, shop etc. We're not going to get that so.....
I do think that the three rides in TSPL will add something to the park as I have felt that, on my last visit, the park was very bare. The theming is great too. And I am looking forward to riding two rides and watching my mad family on the third. I may appear like a clapping seal when I see new photos "Wow! thats great! Whoop!" (Sam claps hands :P ) but to me, having seen a bland park three years ago this looks amazing. Can you imagine what Studios is going to look like to me with ToT no longer a construction site Hollywood Blvd open, Flying Carpets not looking so stark, in the queue line, Toon Studios and TSPL with so much greenery - its gonna be almost like me seeing a new park and thats what first time visitors will see. A really bright and colourful part of the park.
DLP needs money and I think the rides will pull more people into the parks making money so that it can be given to the imagineers to create the big e ticket ride.
Quote from: "tubbsy"First of all TimmyTimmyTimmy what time did you write that???? I thought I was an early riser! (sorry off topic but couldnt help notice :roll: :lol: )
Just before I went to bed...:)
DLP.info has pictures of Slinky Dog online. http://www.dlp.info/News/2010/08/taking ... linky-dog/ (http://www.dlp.info/News/2010/08/taking-a-spin-with-slinky-dog/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Tomorrow RC Racer I suppose...
New pictures of Slinky Dog zig-zag spin Ride!
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Enjoy the pics guys! :thumbs:
wow slinky dog looks great to me! thanks for putting the photos on :D
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Quote from: "toritinker"wow slinky dog looks great to me! thanks for putting the photos on :D
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OK after watching all these new photos, Í would like to share my thoughts with you ;)
First of all - I think children will like it. The giant Buzz at the entry is a good teaser and the kids will love him.
The other thing is - I personally don´t like it.
You can find a good, high quality themeing at Disneyland Park. Or with other words... where can you find such bare steel fences and grey floors at Disneyland Park?
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I get the opinion, that it looks simple because the look of toys is simple.
But I think, they choose this kind of themeing to built it as cheap as possible.
If you take a close look at the inside of RC Racer... its that kind of gray steely look you find in every NON-Disney Theme Park.
And thats what makes me feel sad.
If they would have taken all this money to built ONE new big E-Ticket, it would have brought more magic to the studios
Well here goes. TSPL's theme is very well maintained throughout the pictures I've looked at. It may well be a well-carried out idea, bu that doesn't make it a good idea to begin with.
I think it looks cheap and tacky and makes WDS even more unorganised than before. The rides look pretty good (bar the lousy themeing) and I will def. make a bee-line for them if and when I visit next. But the new rides aren't making me book any quicker.
Hopefully the extra rides will make the queues away from ToT and RnRC that little bit smaller.
Bad DLP, must try harder :(
I think all the theming looks really good! :)
I love the design for the slinky ride :D
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Well here goes. TSPL's theme is very well maintained throughout the pictures I've looked at. It may well be a well-carried out idea, bu that doesn't make it a good idea to begin with.
I think it looks cheap and tacky and makes WDS even more unorganised than before. The rides look pretty good (bar the lousy themeing) and I will def. make a bee-line for them if and when I visit next. But the new rides aren't making me book any quicker.
Hopefully the extra rides will make the queues away from ToT and RnRC that little bit smaller.
Bad DLP, must try harder :(
I agree ALOT!
The RC Racer and the Parachute Drop rides themselves do look frighteningly cheap...
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I'm very curious about the RC Racer queue (the outside portion.) On the model it looked pretty nice.
I'm sure I read somewhere that the 'top' surface of RC was going to get a covering once all testing complete, but can't find that anywhere now. Maybe I imagined that! It would be a silly let down if they didn't, don't you think?
Quote from: "DopeyDad"I'm sure I read somewhere that the 'top' surface of RC was going to get a covering once all testing complete, but can't find that anywhere now. Maybe I imagined that! It would be a silly let down if they didn't, don't you think?
I've heard that too, I guess we'll just have to wait and see... :?
I just noticed something... Is it me or does this soldier look like he was designed to be holding a rifle? Haha.
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Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"But it´s just a bunch of green sheds... not very much to look at all. A bit wierd to see a war themed section in a Disneypark...
As I mentioned... I still don´t see how this can be "very high quality". I think one has to define that. I can always back up my views by comparing different parks and by looking at the Disney themepark past. To just state that this is "very high quality" is worse than just simply hating by first glance.
The good thing is that it is easy to repaint.
The grass looks better tahn I´d thought it would do. I do have to add that it is indeed fun that they use classic toys from outside the Disney "realm". I´d just rather see some kind of a train ride insted of a... bench.
As long as YOU all post what you think... so will I. If it breaks the Magic Forum rules... kick me out.
When new pictures comes I´ll comment them.
Tuvok... you made me change my mind.
Is this VHDQ? ...Very High Disney Quality? If yes... what is low Disney quality?:
Timmy you really don't get it do you.
It is really a very "HIGH" level of theming.
I must give timmy some credit here.
The Rex statue is not my tast of fun.
I just don't like it. He could be a lot better in my opinion.
Also aren't the Toy story movies about Woody but where is he??????? I think this is a missed opertunaty for Disney.
I hope that they prove me wrong when I come there in november but what I saw from the last few shots The parachute drop theming that was just simple.
I do like the knex railing but the domino is to colourful for me.
But we will see what it looks like in real life in november.
Also I checked some prices of a hotel near disneyland tokyo but thos were over the €450,- That was without tickets to the park or the planeflight to tokyo
When I go to DLP I stay at santa fé and pay about €450 and that is with tickets.
I think that is a big diffrence don't you think so Timmy.
I am not saying that you are wrong but when it comes to prices I think DLP is a lot cheaper than Japan or the US.
Quote from: "paterdave2"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"But it´s just a bunch of green sheds... not very much to look at all. A bit wierd to see a war themed section in a Disneypark...
As I mentioned... I still don´t see how this can be "very high quality". I think one has to define that. I can always back up my views by comparing different parks and by looking at the Disney themepark past. To just state that this is "very high quality" is worse than just simply hating by first glance.
The good thing is that it is easy to repaint.
The grass looks better tahn I´d thought it would do. I do have to add that it is indeed fun that they use classic toys from outside the Disney "realm". I´d just rather see some kind of a train ride insted of a... bench.
As long as YOU all post what you think... so will I. If it breaks the Magic Forum rules... kick me out.
When new pictures comes I´ll comment them.
Tuvok... you made me change my mind.
Is this VHDQ? ...Very High Disney Quality? If yes... what is low Disney quality?:
Timmy you really don't get it do you.
It is really a very "HIGH" level of theming.
I must give timmy some credit here.
The Rex statue is not my tast of fun.
I just don't like it. He could be a lot better in my opinion.
Also aren't the Toy story movies about Woody but where is he??????? I think this is a missed opertunaty for Disney.
I hope that they prove me wrong when I come there in november but what I saw from the last few shots The parachute drop theming that was just simple.
I do like the knex railing but the domino is to colourful for me.
But we will see what it looks like in real life in november.
Also I checked some prices of a hotel near disneyland tokyo but thos were over the €450,- That was without tickets to the park or the planeflight to tokyo
When I go to DLP I stay at santa fé and pay about €450 and that is with tickets.
I think that is a big diffrence don't you think so Timmy.
I am not saying that you are wrong but when it comes to prices I think DLP is a lot cheaper than Japan or the US.
There are alot of places to live for about 50 for two persons in Tokyo per night... good places. The downside is you need to travel in the subway for an hour. But hey... you are going to the BEST themeparks in the world... and it costs less than in Paris. The food in Japan is cheaper than in Paris... alot. The ticket to and from parks aswell... it´evens out. If you life in France or close France... then it´s a another deal. Alot of people don´t life near France. The bottom line is that one can get away with a trip and stay to Japan and visits to Disney there for the same price as Paris if flight and everything is included in the calculation. I´m not mentioning that again, since we seme to have experts on Japan here... The important thing is that the same money give you sooo much more than just the worst themepark in the world, you get the BEST.
...and regarding the new picture Pussnboots posted of the RC racer or what they call it... I think it looks just as aweful as the rest of WDS. Cheap, ugly, booring and lacking in theme, TSPL fits like a glove in WDS, the fair park. Hope to see more pictures soon of TSPL.
But I do like the way the grass looks in that land, really... it looks like giant grass. I am impressed by that.
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Good observation! There is no doubt he was holding a rifle. WOW btalk about a bad way to fix a BLOOPER!
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Well here goes. TSPL's theme is very well maintained throughout the pictures I've looked at. It may well be a well-carried out idea, bu that doesn't make it a good idea to begin with.
I think it looks cheap and tacky and makes WDS even more unorganised than before. The rides look pretty good (bar the lousy themeing) and I will def. make a bee-line for them if and when I visit next. But the new rides aren't making me book any quicker.
Hopefully the extra rides will make the queues away from ToT and RnRC that little bit smaller.
Bad DLP, must try harder :(
I completly agree. It just don't do it for me, and I hate thrill rides with a fiery pasion so Disneyland is usualy my go to park for rides.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"There are alot of places to live for about 50 for two persons in Tokyo per night... good places. The downside is you need to travel in the subway for an hour. But hey... you are going to the BEST themeparks in the world... and it costs less than in Paris. The food in Japan is cheaper than in Paris... alot. The ticket to and from parks aswell... it´evens out. If you life in France or close France... then it´s a another deal. Alot of people don´t life near France. The bottom line is that one can get away with a trip and stay to Japan and visits to Disney there for the same price as Paris if flight and everything is included in the calculation. I´m not mentioning that again, since we seme to have experts on Japan here... The important thing is that the same money give you sooo much more than just the worst themepark in the world, you get the BEST.
that sounds good, but we are one of those that are a ferry ride and the equivalent of a car ride to grandparents to get to DLP-so we're one of those that, in the grand scheme of things, live relatively near. But its something I may consider in the future when we plan a trip away from DLP.
I understand that the army men are done to high quality but it still looks stark to me. I'm not sure how they could have done it better -although I know our friends who dont like TSPL will say "the best way would to have not built it at all"-I can understand that, also as pussinboots pointed out, that soldier looks really dodgy and where is Woody?!?! But I'm loving the giant toys everywhere and love Slinky Dog peaking through the grass, it really lends itself to the idea that we're in Andys garden amongst his toys. I cant wait to see it all for myself :D
Would it be possible to move the Tokyo/Paris conversation elsewhere? It's clear that for some people there may be equivalent costs but for many. many others who can access DLP by rail/road/ferry the price is prohibitive. We can go round in circle with that for ever depending on where you live.
Quote from: "pussinboots"I just noticed something... Is it me or does this soldier look like he was designed to be holding a rifle? Haha.
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IIRC that actually happened with real army men too. I remember my brother having some that were in odd positions for what they were carrying :D
I love the circle on the back and the excess plastic from the moulding.
Quote from: "luke85"Quote from: "DopeyDad"I'm sure I read somewhere that the 'top' surface of RC was going to get a covering once all testing complete, but can't find that anywhere now. Maybe I imagined that! It would be a silly let down if they didn't, don't you think?
I've heard that too, I guess we'll just have to wait and see... :?
More now on DLPinfo and looks like the 'top' that had been referred to only means the extreme ends of the track, not the upper surface so to speak. So looks like thats it! Maybe it simply wasn't possible but I think the choice of ride should have taken in to account whether they could completely theme it. :(
So far I really like the concept and general area theme, I think it does what they set out to do and give you the chance to imagine you're shrunk to toy size. It actually looks quite like my childrens playroom at the minute :lol: But the choices of RC and Parachute drop seems flawed if they can't complete theming and deal with intrusion to other areas of the park. the latter may be dealt with later by future placemaking changes [-o< but the rides themselves appear complete now.
It's funny what happens when you put a tilt-shift filter on these photos we're seeing of Toy Story Playland. Now it REALLY looks like a toy. I love this first one of Slinky. It's really hard to believe that it's not a miniature. The grass is so effective:
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Fantastic idea to do that Alan, it is really effective, if only DLP did a tilt-shift video of TSPL similar to the ones WDW did for the Magic Kingdom and Epcot
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New Rc Racer pictures as promised,My favorite Toy Story Playland ride from the looks of it :)
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The springs as such look a bit low and in the way - I assume you step into the seats and don't hit your head on the springs!
Those trees near RC Racer kind of ruin the impression that you are the size of toy. It doesn't really work for me in this part of Toy Story Playland, compared to the area surrounding the toy planes and the ball for example.
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Well here goes. TSPL's theme is very well maintained throughout the pictures I've looked at. It may well be a well-carried out idea, bu that doesn't make it a good idea to begin with.
I think it looks cheap and tacky and makes WDS even more unorganised than before. The rides look pretty good (bar the lousy themeing) and I will def. make a bee-line for them if and when I visit next. But the new rides aren't making me book any quicker.
I completely agree with you aswell. The idea behind Toy Story Playland is quite bad to begin with. From an Imagineering point of view it doesn't add anything to the story that Walt Disney Studios is trying to tell (Hollywood/moviemaking). According to the official backstory it isn't even supposed to be a toon movieset, although that would have been a weak excuse for a ride aswell since Toon Studio doesn't work either in my opinion.
Like we all know Toy Story Playland consists out of cheap carnival rides. But in the meantime 1/3 of WDS's entire attraction roster consists of carnival rides. Just compare that to Disney's Hollywood Studios and Hollywood Pictures Backlot: there are none to be found overthere. I just don't think the Hollywood/moviemaking theme lends itself very well for carnival rides. And ofcourse Dumbo and Orbitron are dressed up carnival rides aswell, but Disneyland Paris is different story.. literally. We shouldn't compare WDS to Disneyland Paris or Tokyo DisneySea, simply because the park has a totally different concept to begin with. That doesnt mean that Disney is allowed to drop the ball on WDS though.
Like Pete's Dragon says, Toy Story Playland makes WDS more unorganised then it has ever been, both from a theme perspective and the park lay-out. Since we have 4 studiolots (Frontlot, Toon Studio, Production Courtyard including Hollywood Boulevard and Backlot) where does Toy Story Playland fit in? According to the new parkmaps its a seperate studiolot although it can be regarded as an extension of Toon Studio. Quite confusing. Besides that, the new area is attached to the exsisting park without really integrating it. The path behind Art of Disney Animation is just as bare as it was, and the Parachute Drop and RC Racer seem to be placed without any sightlines in mind.
I havent posted in this topic for a very long time. However, in the last few days I have seen quite a few pictures of Toy Story Playland. Disney hasn't proven me wrong with the opinion I already had, so I think I am allowed to express myself, whether its negative or positive. In the end of the day, many people will enjoy Toy Story Playland, and that counts for something, but the overall design and theme of Disney parks is what sets them apart.
Well said Maarten. I can't agree more with you.
Judging from the pictures the theming of TSPL isn't so bad, but I still don't get it how Andy's backyard fits into the studio theme.
So maybe we should say all "Good by" to the former idea of WDS being a Studio, where you can take a look behind the scenes. Maybe we should get used to the idea that WDS is now a theme park where you can enjoy (or not) rides related to Disney/Pixar movies, that you can be part of the movie itself.
Quote from: "Reiana"So maybe we should say all "Good by" to the former idea of WDS being a Studio, where you can take a look behind the scenes. Maybe we should get used to the idea that WDS is now a theme park where you can enjoy (or not) rides related to Disney/Pixar movies, that you can be part of the movie itself.
Isn't it sad to think about WDS this way? I mean, it's Disney where nearly everything has a theme. But I think you are right, we have to get used to the idea that WDS isn't about Hollywood and moviemaking anymore.
Definitely, the Walt Disney Studios Park isn't a place where you can go behind the scenes. I think that's what they wanted it to be, initially. They wanted it to be educational. But now (8 years later) it's quite simply a theme park with a movie studio theme, or even simpler, a theme park based on movies (and television).
Quote from: "Alan"Definitely, the Walt Disney Studios Park isn't a place where you can go behind the scenes. I think that's what they wanted it to be, initially. They wanted it to be educational. But now (8 years later) it's quite simply a theme park with a movie studio theme, or even simpler, a theme park based on movies (and television).
Based on that, Dumbo, Snow White, Peter Pan, Pinocchio or Indiana Jones and the Temple of Peril would also fit the theme.
I agree with PD, Maarten and you other guys... I guess they couldn't have made the theme any better, but they should never have chosen this theme. It doesn't work and just gives especially Toon Studio a step in the wrong direction to which it was already going. Away from the idea of Walt Disney Studios Park - they could just as well rename the park to Disneys park of Movies and Television - it's not a Studios Park no more :(
I like the colors and the pictures you have made Alan, but I doubt it will look like that walking through and will the colors be as vibrant in the winter? I actually think they are now at their peak and only will be during 2 months of summer - I hope to be proofed wrong, but time is running out.
Of course the details of the assembling kit inside the RC queue is creative, but to me they have ruined their own creativity by choosing this theme. They simply cannot make the special high quality themening that we love WDI for.
With that being said I am sure many people will love this and as said before hopefully it will get them to sell the insane amount of Toy Story merchandise they had already stuffed into everywhere from Main Street over Frontierland to WDS. Maybe this money can be used for the Ratatouille ride making that a true WDI E-ticket experience [-o<
Thanks Nicolai for telling us your opinion after seeing it in real life. I also think that the colours will not look so bright in winter.
Quote from: "Alan"Definitely, the Walt Disney Studios Park isn't a place where you can go behind the scenes. I think that's what they wanted it to be, initially. They wanted it to be educational. But now (8 years later) it's quite simply a theme park with a movie studio theme, or even simpler, a theme park based on movies (and television).
I think thats an interesting point Alan, ToT is no movie set, its the hotel itself, nor are Cars Race Rally or Crush. and the Playhouse Live and Stitch studios connection is also pretty tenuous. So it looks like WDS turned away from this thematic route quite some time ago, maybe it was poorly conceived at the beginning or maybe poor choices have followed but its not a 'where the magic gets made' theme park anymore. So is it any use trying to bang every square peg into a round whole or should the park be re-branded somehow that allows more flexibility, maybe even more creativity than at present?
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Quote from: "Alan"Definitely, the Walt Disney Studios Park isn't a place where you can go behind the scenes. I think that's what they wanted it to be, initially. They wanted it to be educational. But now (8 years later) it's quite simply a theme park with a movie studio theme, or even simpler, a theme park based on movies (and television).
I think thats an interesting point Alan, ToT is no movie set, its the hotel itself, nor are Cars Race Rally or Crush. and the Playhouse Live and Stitch studios connection is also pretty tenuous. So it looks like WDS turned away from this thematic route quite some time ago, maybe it was poorly conceived at the beginning or maybe poor choices have followed but its not a 'where the magic gets made' theme park anymore. So is it any use trying to bang every square peg into a round whole or should the park be re-branded somehow that allows more flexibility, maybe even more creativity than at present?
At least TOT has a connection since it's making you the star in the latest episode of the Twilight Zone. Crush is not saying anything about a movie (correct) and neither seems TSPL to be doing. This why in my opinion the main problem was the Toon Studio addition - that was when they went away from the Studios Park and became a Movie Park (big difference). In my opinion it would be sad with a re-branded park - then we have Studio 1 and a lot of the original attractions that will be away from the theme. Unless it is rebranded as a park with no red line of course - which would be even more sad.
If they at least would rename Toon Studio to Pixar Place or something it would not solve it, but it would erase the misleading name of Toon
Studio. But this has nothing to do with TSPL so let's take that another place if it is.
*EDIT* Stitch is a bit within the theme since it is a transmission to another galaxy - a bit televisiony. I haven't been on PlayHouse Disney, so I cannot comment on that. *EDIT*
I think they are moving towards more of a putting you in the movie theme rather than the putting you behind the scenes theme that were suposed to be the idea when the park opend
Now I've never been to any US parks, do any of them manage a behind the scenes theme throughout? Off topic I know but more interesting than our love it/hate it tennis match of a conversation about TSPL.
Perhaps they need to essentially make the right side of the park into a Pixar park. After all, that's what it mainly is and that is where Disney is at the moment film wise and will be for many years to come.
I think someone earlier in this thread suggested this too, something like 'making' movies to the left and 'in' the movies to the right.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"I think someone earlier in this thread suggested this too, something like 'making' movies to the left and 'in' the movies to the right.
That sounds like a good idea
What about Pixar Place to the right, and Hollywood Land to the left?
I like the idea of maybe dividing the park into "being in" the movies and "making movies" but I don't think they should limit themselves to just two themes. Might scupper plans for future expansions?
I like the original Universal Studios Florida slogan: "SEE THE STARS. RIDE THE MOVIES." I think that's all a studios theme park needs to be; a place where you can ride the movies.
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Quote from: "luke85"I like the idea of maybe dividing the park into "being in" the movies and "making movies" but I don't think they should limit themselves to just two themes. Might scupper plans for future expansions?
Well the Pixar land wouldn't be limited with the number of films they already have to work with.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Would it be possible to move the Tokyo/Paris conversation elsewhere? It's clear that for some people there may be equivalent costs but for many. many others who can access DLP by rail/road/ferry the price is prohibitive. We can go round in circle with that for ever depending on where you live.
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The tree as someone said is ruening the entire view. It´s a giant tree but the coaster is almost just as big. The theme is totally down the trash can on that point. Looking at the land from that new angle makes one dislike the place even more. This place will look naked in the wintertime. Sticks and poles sticking up everywhere and random blocks and toysoldiers will most likely give the impression that this park was bult by a company on the edge of financial death.
They totally messed up this park with this new land. To start with we don´t even know what the park is themed to be anymore. "Movie/TV studio/Andy´s backyard/bamboo garden/hollywood that never was"park is not a good idea and even worse in reality. It semes like people on other forums agree in majority on that once again as new pictures starts to show up. It doesn´t matter how fun the rides will be anymore. The result is starting to prove that this place will be a colorful/tacky place to walk through when on the way to the parkinglot. I wouldn´t be surprised if they make last minute changes to the Hong Kong version of this land after having seen how the final result ended up like.
I have changed my mind about one thing. There is one feature that stands out and looks ok when compared to the rest and that is Buzz. He looks really good when when comparing him to TSPL itself. Too bad he is an ugly character that looks silly in a bad way... not Mickey Mouse or Goofy silly. Perhaps I don´t like this land because I didn´t play with these kind of toys as a child. We grew up with He-man and Transformers... not slinky dogs or sticks and dominos. Buzz came later. He never was my favorite Disney character. I always liked Mickey and Donald more... and Malificent. I take it Buzz has to be MEGA popular in France since he is in both parks in such a profound way.
Well that is my input about to the land after having seen new pics of from all sorts of angles.
By the way, I hope you feel ok with me mentioning HKDL in this thread. It does have something to do with WDS...
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"The tree as someone said is ruening the entire view. It´s a giant tree but the coaster is almost just as big.
They may not be allowed to remove the tree. I know in the UK some are covered under conservation laws and can only be removed if they are dying and therefore dangerous.
QuoteI take it Buzz has to be MEGA popular in France since he is in both parks in such a profound way.
Buzz is pretty damn popular all over. Presumably you've heard of the massive shortage of Buzz Lightyear toys? According to John Lasseter on the Toy Story 2 commentary, stores ordered 60,000 at first and ran out amazingly quickly. At the time of that commentary over 9 million figures had been sold.
Quote from: "claire2281"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"The tree as someone said is ruening the entire view. It´s a giant tree but the coaster is almost just as big.
They may not be allowed to remove the tree. I know in the UK some are covered under conservation laws and can only be removed if they are dying and therefore dangerous.
QuoteI take it Buzz has to be MEGA popular in France since he is in both parks in such a profound way.
Buzz is pretty damn popular all over. Presumably you've heard of the massive shortage of Buzz Lightyear toys? According to John Lasseter on the Toy Story 2 commentary, stores ordered 60,000 at first and ran out amazingly quickly. At the time of that commentary over 9 million figures had been sold.
Oh come on... they should have thought about what could be removed and couldn´t BEFORE they designed the land. If they can´t remove that tree then they shouldn´t have built a thing close to it that is supposed to be a toy in a garden. The tree ruins the already vage illusion. I think they were too lazy and cheap to think about it.
Sooo... having Buzz Lightyear all over Disneyparks is a good idea? Perhaps they should put him on top of the castle aswell? Toy Story Resort Paris. The same goes for Hong Kong.
The cinemas have been packed out for Toy Story 3 where I live-the queue was out of the door and 10metres round the corner the other day at my local cinema-I've never seen it like that.
At home we have had Toy Story toys for many years-Buzz and Woody have been on the 7 year old's bed and Jessie has been at the end of the 15 year olds bed-not packed away but loved and played with. (I must say along side Minnie, Mickey, Goofy, Bambi, Pluto, Sully ..... just a few Disney toys! :lol:
My favourite phrase Robs Buzz says is: (Open Buzz's visor) "Ah the wind in my face! The wind in my teeth! Urgh bugs in my mouth! Shut that visor!" (shut the visor) "Ah thats better!" :lol: Little things please little minds! :P
And I work in childcare-and the franchise has always remained a popular one. Buzz has developed many role play games of travelling into space! :lol:
So this is a land will be very popular in theming with many I know, including my family
But I do have a problem with two things about the new area (see my rose tinted glasses do come off!)
I've said before -I do agree there is a lot of Toy Story in the parks and I find it disjointed and actually annoying-it almost feels like "We've got a bit of land here, lets shoe horn a bit of Toy Story in here"
And I take your point about the trees-that background is going to look awfully bare and not well thought out-hiding it from other parts of the studio has always been an issue I m hoping will improve over time
(Something I really think the imagineers need to sort out-seeing RC from Moteurs Action-not good at all!)
But its here now and my family will be going in and enjoying the rides and theming in a couple of weeks.
I think TSPL has turned out well judging from the pictures. The area looks rich in themeing and colour, and I feel the WDS lacked that when it opened. For families who like toys and the Toy Story films I think it will go down well. Even people who haven't seen the films could like it. The reason we have Toy Story in the parks is because the films are so popular. And I can see why Disney would want to try and replicate the success of the films in their parks. TSPL fits into Toon Studios OK and I wouldn't have wanted to see it in Fantasyland. Would have liked to see something bigger and better like Splash Mountain in Disneyland park, for example. Something more adult. But it's WDS and Toon Studios that Disney is working on at the moment and I can understand why.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "claire2281"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"The tree as someone said is ruening the entire view. It´s a giant tree but the coaster is almost just as big.
They may not be allowed to remove the tree. I know in the UK some are covered under conservation laws and can only be removed if they are dying and therefore dangerous.
QuoteI take it Buzz has to be MEGA popular in France since he is in both parks in such a profound way.
Buzz is pretty damn popular all over. Presumably you've heard of the massive shortage of Buzz Lightyear toys? According to John Lasseter on the Toy Story 2 commentary, stores ordered 60,000 at first and ran out amazingly quickly. At the time of that commentary over 9 million figures had been sold.
Oh come on... they should have thought about what could be removed and couldn´t BEFORE they designed the land. If they can´t remove that tree then they shouldn´t have built a thing close to it that is supposed to be a toy in a garden. The tree ruins the already vage illusion. I think they were too lazy and cheap to think about it.
Sooo... having Buzz Lightyear all over Disneyparks is a good idea? Perhaps they should put him on top of the castle aswell? Toy Story Resort Paris. The same goes for Hong Kong.
I think the word for what you're doing is conflation TTT, you ask if TTT is popular, people reply that it is and then you make exaggerated suggestions insinuating people think it would be a good idea to have buzz on the castle. I don't think anybody has suggested anything like that but what may be clear is that from a business perspective the Toy Story franchise makes good sense.
You make a good point about the trees, they've made a point on a few occasions in publicity material on the age of the trees. I wonder if they were even steered towards this kind of area because they couldn't be removed? Meaning they could build around them in a way that one large attraction and show building could not, who knows!
New pictures of Finished RC Racer Track and Rex,
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I love that Rex is wringing his hands. :D
Quote from: "claire2281"I love that Rex is wringing his hands. :D
Same here!It looks really realistic! :D
As realistic as a plastic dinosaur can be! ;)
Rex does seem to be out of proportion with the Buzz though, in the movies he towers over Buzz, but in the park he seems to be smaller? The area looks like it's nice, nothing amazing, nothing terrible, just nice. It's very similar to Flik's Fun Fair, and the details are there which add to the environment.
It's a nice area that'll stay in the limelight until Ratatouille opens, and then they'll stop advertising it and it'll become just another area of the park, which will hopefully soak up the Ratatouille queues a little. It is nice to see a more 'secluded' area in the park though, where there's greenery and winding pathways instead of flat areas of pathing and boxy studio buildings.
It's not the worst thing to have gone into Studios, but it's not the best.
Its seems that a large portion of yourselves fail to understand what this project is all about. There is a need for a new area to satisfy the needs of families in a quality environment, a need that could not be fulfilled by one attraction added to an existing land. From the photos added Toy Story Playland shows great build quality despite your personal preferences. In addition, please don't forget the current financial situation for both the company and the recent worldly events, they are not the same. Please take this into consideration. Your large attraction will come soon.
Quote from: "danwills"Its seems that a large portion of yourselves fail to understand what this project is all about. There is a need for a new area to satisfy the needs of families in a quality environment, a need that could not be fulfilled by one attraction added to an existing land. From the photos added Toy Story Playland shows great build quality despite your personal preferences. In addition, please don't forget the current financial situation for both the company and the recent worldly events, they are not the same. Your large attraction will come soon.
Good Point danwills :D
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There's gonna be some pics of the Ratatouille area tomorrow!! :lol:
From DCP's facebook...
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Quote from: "danwills"Its seems that a large portion of yourselves fail to understand what this project is all about. There is a need for a new area to satisfy the needs of families in a quality environment, a need that could not be fulfilled by one attraction added to an existing land. From the photos added Toy Story Playland shows great build quality despite your personal preferences. In addition, please don't forget the current financial situation for both the company and the recent worldly events, they are not the same. Please take this into consideration. Your large attraction will come soon.
I clearly understand what this area is for - I just think they should have chosen another theme. They could have made a family environment - for instance going along with the things they already did. You could do a fun attraction under the themes of casting, physical effects or perhaps just going behind the scenes at Toon Studio. Make a movie related playground themed to Toon Studio. It just seems like they made Toon Studio (which isn't finished) and then made a new theme for this area. If they had kept it that way that would have been a start.
Secondly, I actually do not see how this is really family related. Yes, the theme is very family friendly, but the attractions are not. Look at Parachute Drop and RC Racer - they have height restrictions (RC Racer being the same as RNRC). That is not very family friendly in my opinion. The capacity is another problem in this area - smaller kids could be a problem in queues like Crush and I can see that coming to RC Racer too.
With that being said it seems to be good quality within the theme. The theme just doesn't allow them to make as creative and abnormally high quality that we know and love WDI for.
Regarding the comment I have highlighted this suggests that you do not find this top quality either, why excuse it with financial problems. Wouldn't have been better to wait with an attraction addition to when the money is there for a proper addition with high capacity and high quality themening and in the mean time use just some of the money spend on TSPL on refurbishing some of the current magic that is falling apart?
I realy like this one with the Tower in the background and green all around:
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Quote from: "Festival Disney"More pics, this time of the Barell of monkeys area!
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There's gonna be some pics of the Ratatouille area tomorrow!! :lol:
I'm sorry to double post but the interior of the barrel is ruining the theme isn't it? I've searched for this type of barrel and it is app. 10 cm tall. Surely that would not be enough for Andy to build such a complex thing using the toys that in the land almost is as tall as Buzz.
I was thinking that they made good quality within the mediocre theme, but this is not good quality. WDI use to be so thought trough and within the story all the way through. I'm sorry to say, but this isn't :(
Looking forward to the Rat pictures though :D
The inside of the barrel looks like it could almost be a mini boutique?
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"The inside of the barrel looks like it could almost be a mini boutique?
It will be, but unfortunatley no much needed toilets :evil:
Im liking these new photo's, lots of colour and impact. I had a barrel of monkeys as a kid and would play for hours with them, cant wait to take my own photo's. One shot shows two barrels, one being the boutique and the other the opposite end of the tunnel in the Ratatoille (sorry cant spell) thread I guess.
Call me sad, but the most exciting bit of the project was the barrel of monkeys at the end there- a well though out outlet, well-themed and designed maybe apart from the internal units not being to scale - but you can blame the merchandising and sales department for that, not imagineering. :thumbs:
I'd be lying if I was to say that I am still not excited.. The whole land seems somewhat magical after the last two updates (major thanks to dlp.info for keeping us updated, unfortunately DLRP Today seems to be somewhat abandoned?), and the barrel of monkeys makes me think alot of Midway Mania which I feel the studios would benefit majorly from.
Yes the land doesn't have toilets or a permanent eatery - a themed Coke stand will arrive later in the month - , but both those will be catered for in the Ratatouille area where I am led to believe there will be a lack of a boutique.
The barrel of monkey outlet looks very impressive. I hope they sell some really good toy story merchandise there and even some new exclusive to toy story playland items :thumbs:
I hope they'll sell the official Toy Story Collection toys! Since I can't find them anywhere here...
Wow, is this California Adventure or the Walt Disney Studios?
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I got excited about the shop too — you can actually walk inside it! Never mind the scale. I wonder what it's called, though? Barrel of Monkeys? Sounds like a copyright infringement somehow.
Quote from: "danwills"Its seems that a large portion of yourselves fail to understand what this project is all about. There is a need for a new area to satisfy the needs of families in a quality environment, a need that could not be fulfilled by one attraction added to an existing land. From the photos added Toy Story Playland shows great build quality despite your personal preferences. In addition, please don't forget the current financial situation for both the company and the recent worldly events, they are not the same. Please take this into consideration. Your large attraction will come soon.
I think that's a fair point Danwillis, and it's nice to get an American perspective on things too, thanks for your contribution.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Never mind the scale.
I'd like to stay as positive as possible, but isn't this sad that we have to say "never mind the scale". It is this type of details that usually in my world differs Disney attractions from minor theme park attractions (I'll no longer sink as low as carnival), but in this situation it does not. It just lack that last finishing in my opinion and that is sad.
Quote from: "forza_united"I'd like to stay as positive as possible, but isn't this sad that we have to say "never mind the scale". It is this type of details that usually in my world differs Disney attractions from minor theme park attractions (I'll no longer sink as low as carnival), but in this situation it does not. It just lack that last finishing in my opinion and that is sad.
Look, I can be every bit as critical as you and Maarten, but you have to pick your battles!
To me, the Disney difference is when it's obvious that the Imagineers have thought things through. I despise things like the Last Chance Cafe add-on, where it's pretty clear that the designers have not consulted the architecture aisle at the library but instead whipped something up from some vague recollection of old Clint Eastwood movies. Or Buzz in Discoveryland, where the "thematic transition" Disney usually excels at consists of the binding power of the color purple. But at Toy Story Playland, it's evident that they knew exactly what they were doing, and in my opinion they've done it well. I'm sure they were aware of these slight scale issues, but decided it was the only way to go (after all, the shop is small enough as it is.)
The same thing goes for these trees everyone is pointing to — They may have been forced to keep those, and we'll just have to pretend they're weeds.
You have these little illusion-breakers everywhere. Why is there a 19th-century train puffing over Star Tours? Because they thought it would be better than having it stop in Fantasyland. That doesn't make it Backlot or Six Flags quality.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "forza_united"I'd like to stay as positive as possible, but isn't this sad that we have to say "never mind the scale". It is this type of details that usually in my world differs Disney attractions from minor theme park attractions (I'll no longer sink as low as carnival), but in this situation it does not. It just lack that last finishing in my opinion and that is sad.
Look, I can be every bit as critical as you and Maarten, but you have to pick your battles!
To me, the Disney difference is when it's obvious that the Imagineers have thought things through. I despise things like the Last Chance Cafe add-on, where it's pretty clear that the designers have not consulted the architecture aisle at the library but instead whipped something up from some vague recollection of old Clint Eastwood movies. Or Buzz in Discoveryland, where the "thematic transition" Disney usually excels at consists of the binding power of the color purple. But at Toy Story Playland, it's evident that they knew exactly what they were doing, and in my opinion they've done it well. I'm sure they were aware of these slight scale issues, but decided it was the only way to go (after all, the shop is small enough as it is.)
The same thing goes for these trees everyone is pointing to — They may have been forced to keep those, and we'll just have to pretend they're weeds.
You have these little illusion-breakers everywhere. Why is there a 19th-century train puffing over Star Tours? Because they thought it would be better than having it stop in Fantasyland. That doesn't make it Backlot or Six Flags quality.
As previously said I think the imagineers has done a reasonable job within the theme - the theme is giving to many barriers to be as creative at they use to be. And this is why I am into finding these little illusion-breakers, because in an area like this that isn't as immersive as other things, they seem to be bigger than in for instance Tower of Terror.
The trains has always been some kind of illusion-breaker, but two things are talking against this IMO:
1. The train is a tradition from the very old Disneyland Park.
2. For instance by Star Tours it is going by the attraction not through it - you absorbed into the Star Wars themening when you enter the attraction. This specific problem with the Barrel of Monkeys is that the illusion breaker is inside the store. That is completely different from Star Tours and the train.
I have also said that I still hope to be proofed wrong by walking around the area. I am not just negative to be negative - I have previously made a well thought trough list of my sights on this area (bad as well as positive). This was completely ignored, so I am sorry to say, but I feel that you have to be a bit over the top in this topic to get your views through, which is sad.
Quote from: "Tuvok"I realy like this one with the Tower in the background and green all around:
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Do you think it looks like Andy´s garden?
This does:
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Quote from: "forza_united"As previously said I think the imagineers has done a reasonable job within the theme - the theme is giving to many barriers to be as creative at they use to be. And this is why I am into finding these little illusion-breakers, because in an area like this that isn't as immersive as other things, they seem to be bigger than in for instance Tower of Terror.
The trains has always been some kind of illusion-breaker, but two things are talking against this IMO:
1. The train is a tradition from the very old Disneyland Park.
2. For instance by Star Tours it is going by the attraction not through it - you absorbed into the Star Wars themening when you enter the attraction. This specific problem with the Barrel of Monkeys is that the illusion breaker is inside the store. That is completely different from Star Tours and the train.
I have also said that I still hope to be proofed wrong by walking around the area. I am not just negative to be negative - I have previously made a well thought trough list of my sights on this area (bad as well as positive). This was completely ignored, so I am sorry to say, but I feel that you have to be a bit over the top in this topic to get your views through, which is sad.
Well, I do agree that this kind of theme isn't as well-suited to the Imagineering tradition as, say, those of Tokyo DisneySea... Disney is better with recreating romanticized places, preferably set in about the 19th century. That's why they went back to familiar territory with Paradise Pier. They can't lose with Victorian!
But this is what they're stuck with, and considering that, the Imagineers have done a good job.
Quote from: "pussinboots"This does:
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Quote from: "forza_united"As previously said I think the imagineers has done a reasonable job within the theme - the theme is giving to many barriers to be as creative at they use to be. And this is why I am into finding these little illusion-breakers, because in an area like this that isn't as immersive as other things, they seem to be bigger than in for instance Tower of Terror.
The trains has always been some kind of illusion-breaker, but two things are talking against this IMO:
1. The train is a tradition from the very old Disneyland Park.
2. For instance by Star Tours it is going by the attraction not through it - you absorbed into the Star Wars themening when you enter the attraction. This specific problem with the Barrel of Monkeys is that the illusion breaker is inside the store. That is completely different from Star Tours and the train.
I have also said that I still hope to be proofed wrong by walking around the area. I am not just negative to be negative - I have previously made a well thought trough list of my sights on this area (bad as well as positive). This was completely ignored, so I am sorry to say, but I feel that you have to be a bit over the top in this topic to get your views through, which is sad.
Well, I do agree that this kind of theme isn't as well-suited to the Imagineering tradition as, say, those of Tokyo DisneySea... Disney is better with recreating romanticized places, preferably set in about the 19th century. That's why they went back to familiar territory with Paradise Pier. They can't lose with Victorian!
But this is what they're stuck with, and considering that, the Imagineers have done a good job.
That picture was picture was fixed! The trees ruin it. It just doesn´t work.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "Tuvok"I realy like this one with the Tower in the background and green all around:
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Do you think it looks like Andy´s garden?
Are you referring to the ToT being in view? There's nothing that can be done there, it isn't like it could be covered up with some 'grass'. Plus a different positioning of the land wouldn't help it either as the huge structure can been seen from Sequoia Lodge!
We can see the TOT in the distance coming in on the EuroStar. It's one of those unavoidable illusion-breakers we've been talking about. TTT doesn't like TSPL, or WDS from what I can gather, so it makes no difference whatever they do as far as he is concerned. He doesn't like it.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "Tuvok"I realy like this one with the Tower in the background and green all around:
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Do you think it looks like Andy´s garden?
Is this the point where I should say 'something' negative to make your day? Unfortunately I can't, because I realy like this 'view'. It has all the colorful elements and greenery from TSP and it has the Tower. Nothing to dislike here, in my HUMBLE opinion. Sure, if they built Toy Story Mania in stead of TSP, I would be happier yes, but considering there have built TSP, I can only say the theming is excellent for what it is.
Just registred for the Avant-Premiere for Dream passholders next saturday, so I can see it with my own eyes. Looking forward to it!
If the park had a better layout the tower wouldn´t interfere. In DisneySEA the tower is visible from many places of the park. But it doesn´t strike you like this one does. Why? well this tower is placed in a way that makes it look missplaced from some angles. But that is not the big problem. The worst thing is the still the trees. It is not supposed to be a bonzai garden. Even if I liked the theme and the rides and loved Toy Story the trees still would spoil the view. They simply brake the illusion and together with the tower it all falls flat. Once again does this park show that it was built after a bad plan. All the areas melt into one mish mash as the park is called on many other forums.
Well TTT, you're not going to change Disney Theme park plans past, present or future posting on this forum. So I don't know what point you're making now. Write to Disney HQ in America and tell them you don't like it. I like WDS.
i have to say I think that it will be a great addition to WDS which was lacking a lot of interest...but then you know the expression you can please some of the people some of the time but never all the people all of the time...i think its going to be like marmite you either love it or hate it...so lets all just enjoy the new additions and thank god or who ever that they are still financially in the position to add new attractions
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Do you think it looks like Andy´s garden?
If you use your immagination everything is possible :-)
No?
The first videos:
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More here:
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Love it! :D
Hate it! :evil:
Carnival! :x
Trees! :(
Colour! :P
Greenery! =D>
Theming! :?
DisneySEA! :roll:
Family fun! :D/
Intrusion! :(
(just thought I'd save us all the bother of the next few days worth of TSPL Tennis) :-"
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Love it! :D
Hate it! :evil:
Carnival! :x
Trees! :(
Colour! :P
Greenery! =D>
Theming! :?
DisneySEA! :roll:
Family fun! :D/
Intrusion! :(
(just thought I'd save us all the bother of the next few days worth of TSPL Tennis) :-"
Dopey Dad! [-X :lol: :lol: :P
Sorry, gonna get shot down for this, but I think I'm going for DopeDads option one-Love it! :D and option 9 Family fun! :D/ (yes even with the RC height restriction-the area is still fun) It looks fab!
Love it all lit up-problem is is WDS open long enough to have the lights on cos the effect is great.
wow those vids are great!
First impressions: It's better than I thought it would be! I like the way Rex talks and all the lights look great.
Quote from: "tubbsy"Quote from: "DopeyDad"Love it! :D
Hate it! :evil:
Carnival! :x
Trees! :(
Colour! :P
Greenery! =D>
Theming! :?
DisneySEA! :roll:
Family fun! :D/
Intrusion! :(
(just thought I'd save us all the bother of the next few days worth of TSPL Tennis) :-"
Dopey Dad! [-X :lol: :lol: :P
Sorry, gonna get shot down for this, but I think I'm going for DopeDads option one-Love it! :D and option 9 Family fun! :D/ (yes even with the RC height restriction-the area is still fun) It looks fab!
Love it all lit up-problem is is WDS open long enough to have the lights on cos the effect is great.
Agreed Tubbsy but Id like to add 5 and 6, loving the colours and Im with you on the lights. Going at Christmas when its darker earlier so I should see a lot of that.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"The worst thing is the still the trees. It is not supposed to be a bonzai garden.
So the trees are meant to be chopped down, making the Studio a great big block of concrete with no trees and greenery... Even better... The Imagineers could use their magic wands and make the trees grow to Massive proportions! ](*,)
We get it TTT you HATE TSPL, we all get it, nothing that can be said will make you like it. Let other people have their opinions. If you dont like it then steer clear of it, ignore it and stop beating people down for liking it. I am reserving judgement until I see it for myself. Perhaps you should do the same and stop posting in every thread that you can sneak it in that you hate this land.
i LOVED the idea too start out then when i started seeing pictures i got a little worried but after seeing videos i completely love it again the lights i think are awesomee and even thou parachute jump is a simple ride i think it looks like a lot of fun so overall thats what im going to disney for is fun and even if toy story playland does not fit into the studios all that well its still going to provide fun so im happy with it :D/
I love it. It looks great in the videos. And since TSPl is based on a Disney Studios movie franchise, I think it works in WDS park. In my opinion.
Here's another video courtesy of Crumser, this time a close-up of RC Racer in action and it's external station. :thumbs:
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Just gonna give my 2 cents on TSPL, with the aid of some words from Walt Disney himself.
QuoteWe are not trying to entertain the critics. I'll take my chances with the public.
We as hard core fans are not the general public. We see things in a different light to the general public, the general public are themselves easier to please. Yes there are things that bring hard core fans to hate this land, but will it make the public excited? Of course it will. If I ask my nephew who his favourite Disney character is he says Buzz, Toy Story is a publically popular film and so yes the general public will love it.
QuoteWe believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together.
The WDS as a whole was lacking in one thing, childrens rides. The day we spent in the studios as a family was rather disjointed... Whilst my brother and husband went on ToT and RnR what did we get to do with the little one? Queue 40 minutes for either Cars or Magic Carpet, which to be fair, MC is a clone of Dumbo and Cars is similiar to the tea cups. TSPL adds an area of the park where a family
can have fun together. I see nothing wrong with this and I know for a fact many children will love this... After all wasnt Walt always looking forward to the future generations?
@Petitesirene "We as hard core fans are not the general public. We see things in a different light to the general public, the general public are themselves easier to please. Yes there are things that bring hard core fans to hate this land, but will it make the public excited?"
yup, I think its the Star Wars factor at work. Anyone who grew up with Star Wars (not episode 4-6, just Star Wars!) will probably find the prequels difficult (see Black Books for the best gags about this and Jar Jar). But we run the risk of being the 'comic book guy' if you'll pardon the mixed analogies, stuck in what we believe to be somehow 'right'.
Whenever something attains a dedicated following and then goes on to creates more, it still has to work as something to a new audience too, (I'm trying to think of something created just for the fans that worked and so far can only think of Firefly and Serenity)(geek mode off Kryton :oops: ).
I think Disney has this problem too, it's success creates hugely loyal fans who have formed their love of it on their own (past) experiences. If it changes tack for some reason (and we must at least accept that there may be possible, good reasons to do so) then it faces the fans wrath, and mighty that may be!
Now for me, I've learned to forgive Jar Jar and George Lucas, maybe in time some will find it in their hearts to forgive Disney for TSPL too.
Now, lets all picture that babbling brook....swaying trees... and the gentle sound of water......isn't that better!
Quote from: "Whip"Here's another video courtesy of Crumser, this time a close-up of RC Racer in action and it's external station. :thumbs:
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Did you notice the 'peeling' stickers by the Start entrance, that's a nice touch don't you think.
Two things I like: (Am very positive this week, no?)
- The area loop! ("Exclu mondiale" video) Almost Discoveryland-ish, a bit heroic and adventurous. Very atmospheric, should really do a lot.
- Themed trash cans! ("Le land et les attractions" video 0:06) It's the red-white-orange thing that's supposed to look like a wooden block or something to that extent. I know it sounds like a trifling matter, but once again it's something that was ignored at the park until now.
The peeling stickers on the RC Racer are cute, yes. Just too bad about the exposed ride track...
Quote from: "ed-uk"Well TTT, you're not going to change Disney Theme park plans past, present or future posting on this forum. So I don't know what point you're making now. Write to Disney HQ in America and tell them you don't like it. I like WDS.
I commented the pictures... no point at all in that. I´m not going to write Disney. I´ll just visit other parks.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Did you notice the 'peeling' stickers by the Start entrance, that's a nice touch don't you think.
See no I hadnt, and this is where you see the thinking where you know you're not in"any old park" but a Disney park :D Every time you watch a Disney film you see something new, everytime you look around an area in a Disney Park you spot something new-I'm gonna have sensory overload in a few weeks with so much "new" for me to see! :D
Quote from: "DopeyDad"We run the risk of being the 'comic book guy' if you'll pardon the mixed analogies, stuck in what we believe to be somehow 'right'.
I could not agree more! We as fans are the ultimate critics and nothing Disney can do will please all of us, because we all like Disney for different reasons. We all grew up in different Disney Eras and like the Star Wars fans your ideals on the films and way the franchise should be is based around what you and your generation grew up with and loved.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"(I'm trying to think of something created just for the fans that worked and so far can only think of Firefly and Serenity)(geek mode off Kryton :oops: )
Anything made for the fans alone is going to be difficult to work with. Red Dwarf, the new one I couldnt help but HATE and its because I loved the early Red Dwarf, the ones that were witty, where Kat was vain and Lister a total slob. Its true that as time went on fans started to hate the later series because of the dramatic changes from witty to simply silly. HOWEVER I know people out there who love the later series and the newest one. Its their choice but it was made for the fans and a lot of the fans hated it anyway.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"I think Disney has this problem too, it's success creates hugely loyal fans who have formed their love of it on their own (past) experiences.
And thats the exact problem, everyone has their own past experience with Disney. There is no point sitting here and saying someones wrong because they love something that someone else doesnt. Disney is all about the future, moving forward, family entertainment and adding that sparkle of magic to someones day. DLP still does that, with or without TSPL. All I can say now is I can only imagine the sea of delighted kids faces as they enter the new land!
Quote from: "tubbsy"See no I hadnt, and this is where you see the thinking where you know you're not in"any old park" but a Disney park :D Every time you watch a Disney film you see something new, everytime you look around an area in a Disney Park you spot something new-I'm gonna have sensory overload in a few weeks with so much "new" for me to see! :D
I can't wait to go hidden Mickey/character hunting there! :D
Seeing the area with all the lights on at night, and hearing that heroic Discoveryland-esque music, I'm really happy with how it turned out. It's definitely got that Disney feel to it. Finally, an immersive (360 degree) area for all the family, in the Walt Disney Studios Park :-)
The rides aren't really for little kids, are they? When I first read about Toy Story Playland, I thought the rides really WOULD be just for kids. But these are big rides, aren't they. They're rides that you can go on as an adult, without feeling too embarrassed, unlike Dumbo :-)
After seeing those vids I'll try and sum up my view on the area (hopefully getting a first hand look in december). For a change I will begin with my positive things:
- Area loop - sounds great as everyone has said.
- The general public will sure like it. It has their beloved characters and they are not concerned about the stuff I will mention later on. Hopefully it could give the resort some extra money making TSPL a good investment financially.
- The 360 experience that you seem to get is positive - it does have some illusion breakers (read further on).
- The grenery - as said before this is nice and needed for WDS.
And now the negative things:
- I'm still saying that the theme is too tight and it has too much resemblence with Toon Studio regarding the lack of the studios feeling.
- The rides and mainly capacity/height restrictions - this could present families with small children with a problem and then we still have a lack of things for the little ones as all of you (incl. me) are asking for.
- The giant Buzz/Rex - it's a bit too much for me and I guess the easy choice to make people like the area. We saw how people behaved around the Cars statues - how can you expect them to behave any different around Rex/Buzz? I fear that we either ends up with restriction bars around these characters, some very ugly characters after a short while or a refurbishment budget way too much focused on TSPL.
- The illusion breakers withing the land - yes, the scale of the Monkey Barrels - they were so close on making a perfect 360 experience but how can a 10 cm Monkey barrel contain that many toys (not the merchandise but they interior of the little shop) and how can they be bigger than Buzz and Rex? and how come Rex is smaller than Buzz? I know this is the little things, but it is these little things that bring that extra magic to the Disney experience in my opinion.
All in all TSPL seems to be an OKAY addition, but nothing more and nothing less. I still say they should have safed the money for future projects and used some of them now to give us some top notch summer entertainment and much needed refurbishments to beloved sights in both parks (Pirate ship, Hollywood Boulevard).
Quote from: "forza_united"After seeing those vids I'll try and sum up my view on the area (hopefully getting a first hand look in december). For a change I will begin with my positive things:
- Area loop - sounds great as everyone has said.
- The general public will sure like it. It has their beloved characters and they are not concerned about the stuff I will mention later on. Hopefully it could give the resort some extra money making TSPL a good investment financially.
- The 360 experience that you seem to get is positive - it does have some illusion breakers (read further on).
- The grenery - as said before this is nice and needed for WDS.
And now the negative things:
- I'm still saying that the theme is too tight and it has too much resemblence with Toon Studio regarding the lack of the studios feeling.
- The rides and mainly capacity/height restrictions - this could present families with small children with a problem and then we still have a lack of things for the little ones as all of you (incl. me) are asking for.
- The giant Buzz/Rex - it's a bit too much for me and I guess the easy choice to make people like the area. We saw how people behaved around the Cars statues - how can you expect them to behave any different around Rex/Buzz? I fear that we either ends up with restriction bars around these characters, some very ugly characters after a short while or a refurbishment budget way too much focused on TSPL.
- The illusion breakers withing the land - yes, the scale of the Monkey Barrels - they were so close on making a perfect 360 experience but how can a 10 cm Monkey barrel contain that many toys (not the merchandise but they interior of the little shop) and how can they be bigger than Buzz and Rex? and how come Rex is smaller than Buzz? I know this is the little things, but it is these little things that bring that extra magic to the Disney experience in my opinion.
All in all TSPL seems to be an OKAY addition, but nothing more and nothing less. I still say they should have safed the money for future projects and used some of them now to give us some top notch summer entertainment and much needed refurbishments to beloved sights in both parks (Pirate ship, Hollywood Boulevard).
Thanks for the good review. You have said everything that was on my mind as well.
We planned a trip to DLRP for Halloween to have a look on TSPL but I think we will save the money for Anaheim next year or for Ratatouille in 2012.
I have to admit that some parts of TSPL look fine, especially the Slinky Dog ride.
I would have also saved the money for future projects or for refurbishments, like the pirate ship. Nevertheless many people will like the addition and I'm fine with that, but I think the new rides will cause many problems with families, because many of their young children will not be able to experience the rides. Hopefully TSPL will bring some money to the resort, but I doubt it. History has proven that it needs a big E-ticket attraction to pull in the crowds. In 1995 it was Space Mountain and for the first time EDSCA earned some money. In 2007/2008 it was TOT that contributed to DLRP's record attendance.
Off topic: While I'm writing this, I have seen some TV spots of German themeparks and they are way better than DLRP's. It's really time to produce some great TV spots to attract people to the resort.
:thumbs: i think the Pirate Ship already has an announced refurb.
Hasnt Hollywood Boulevard just been referbished?
Anyway most people want new rides and attractions and refurbishments, it's not one thing or the other, most people want both. It's a balance. Most theme parks like to come up with something new every two years to encourage people to come back. And I don't think DLP could build something on the scale of Space Mountain or TOT every couple of years.
Quote from: "DopeyDad":thumbs: i think the Pirate Ship already has an announced refurb.
Yes, I know, but when I went in october 2008 it started to need one and in 2009 it was just as sad looking as today. The planned refurb should have happened a long time, but that is a different story.
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"Hasnt Hollywood Boulevard just been referbished?
If that's true it must have been after I was there last week or a really bad refurb. All the "stickers" were peeling off and it really looked in bad state when up close. Pretty much the way i felt about the pirate ship in 2008. Lets hope this will get fixed a bit faster.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Anyway most people want new rides and attractions and refurbishments, it's not one thing or the other, most people want both. It's a balance. I think most theme parks like to come up with something new every two years to encourage people to come back.
Correct, but the question is - does Disney have to come up with something just to come up with something? Everyone I know going to Disney is positively surprised to see something new when they go, but they go just to get away and get that magical feeling. New attractions doesn't mean this as a fact, they could do, but so could refurbishing the magic already there. And in this case I prefer that option.
But great to see so many different views - it would be a boring world if we all agreed :)
Just checked and as of Aug 3rd the Boulevard has been refurbed as seen in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9488 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9488%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;) Its looking great now (photos at the bottom). I know a lot of refurbs have been scheduled so it looks like a lot of money has been put aside to do these. The castle and the Pirate ship refurbs will not be cheap! :s
Its true Forza, its great to see so many views. I like to keep an open mind, I am going in 6 weeks and will be sure to let you guys know what I think when I go! :D
Forza, I don't think Disney would regard TSPL as just something for the sake of it. WDS was crying out for more rides.
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"Just checked and as of Aug 3rd the Boulevard has been refurbed as seen in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9488 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9488%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;) Its looking great now (photos at the bottom). I know a lot of refurbs have been scheduled so it looks like a lot of money has been put aside to do these. The castle and the Pirate ship refurbs will not be cheap! :s
Its true Forza, its great to see so many views. I like to keep an open mind, I am going in 6 weeks and will be sure to let you guys know what I think when I go! :D
The Hollywood Backdrop has been refurbed, but look at this photo - the stickers are still peeling:
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Quote from: "ed-uk"Forza, I don't think Disney would regard TSPL as just something for the sake of it. WDS was crying out for more rides.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Most theme parks like to come up with something new every two years to encourage people to come back.
I hope not, and I do not think so either. I was just commenting on what you said (look above), that made it sound like a theme park should create new attractions in order for people to come back. I was just asking whether this was needed for Disney or if they were out of this league...
I'm feeling quite optimistic about the parks based on DLRP managements recent decisions, it looks like they want to grow their way out of recession and whilst some of the current cuts are painful it should leave the company in a really strong position once the general economic picture improves over the coming years. And to still see any investment in the customer experience (TSPL) and what I think is the biggest round of refurbs in a long time has to be encouraging. With Rat in 2012 and maybe a better economic clime ina couple of years, we could see even more substantial investment and a return of entertainment such as Lion King etc.
but yes, I am an optimist, but a happy one :D
The fact that they have done the backdrop shows that it is on their agenda. There are refurbs going on all over the parks at the moments. I know a lot of things have been refurbed since my last visit and I am really looking forward to seeing the changes. As I've said, we have no idea what the wider picture is when it comes to their plans. They very well may suprise us.
I always like being optimistic, theres no point sitting here and complaining when they very well may be planning what we are moaning about this very second! I am looking forward to seeing TSPL, the studios has always felt very disjointed but the new addition does look immersive. It looks like an area that has a story, like the ToT and surely that cant be a bad thing, plus who knows what the next few years will bring when the 'rumoured' ratatouille ride is built xD
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"I always like being optimistic, theres no point sitting here and complaining when they very well may be planning what we are moaning about this very second! I am looking forward to seeing TSPL, the studios has always felt very disjointed but the new addition does look immersive. It looks like an area that has a story, like the ToT and surely that cant be a bad thing, plus who knows what the next few years will bring when the 'rumoured' ratatouille ride is built xD
=D> =D> Very well said PetiteSirene
I cant help but feel the harsh winter we all unexpectedly had has pushed maintenance like NPBs Lighthouse and Hooks ship quicker up the list than they expected. I am looking forward to seeing it all and hopefully returning soon to see the continueing improvements whether that be maintenance, entertainment or rides.
Quote from: "tubbsy"Quote from: "PetiteSirene"I always like being optimistic, theres no point sitting here and complaining when they very well may be planning what we are moaning about this very second! I am looking forward to seeing TSPL, the studios has always felt very disjointed but the new addition does look immersive. It looks like an area that has a story, like the ToT and surely that cant be a bad thing, plus who knows what the next few years will bring when the 'rumoured' ratatouille ride is built xD
=D> =D> Very well said PetiteSirene
I am looking forward to seeing it all and hopefully returning soon to see the continueing improvements whether that be maintenance, entertainment or rides.
And Walt would have loved what you said
Quote from: "tubbsy"Quote from: "tubbsy"Quote from: "PetiteSirene"I always like being optimistic, theres no point sitting here and complaining when they very well may be planning what we are moaning about this very second! I am looking forward to seeing TSPL, the studios has always felt very disjointed but the new addition does look immersive. It looks like an area that has a story, like the ToT and surely that cant be a bad thing, plus who knows what the next few years will bring when the 'rumoured' ratatouille ride is built xD
=D> =D> Very well said PetiteSirene
I am looking forward to seeing it all and hopefully returning soon to see the continueing improvements whether that be maintenance, entertainment or rides.
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"The fact that they have done the backdrop shows that it is on their agenda. There are refurbs going on all over the parks at the moments. I know a lot of things have been refurbed since my last visit and I am really looking forward to seeing the changes. As I've said, we have no idea what the wider picture is when it comes to their plans. They very well may suprise us.
I always like being optimistic, theres no point sitting here and complaining when they very well may be planning what we are moaning about this very second! I am looking forward to seeing TSPL, the studios has always felt very disjointed but the new addition does look immersive. It looks like an area that has a story, like the ToT and surely that cant be a bad thing, plus who knows what the next few years will bring when the 'rumoured' ratatouille ride is built xD
Of course they are planning forward - I do not expect anything else :) And I only showed the photo of the boulevard building to show it hadn't been refurbed yet, so if they have announced this as finished they haven't done it - that's all..
I am very optimistic, but I also like to say my view on things. And my view on TSPL isn't all positive, just as it isn't all negative. I don't think you can compare TOT to TSPL and I do not think WDI want you to either. It is different experiences. I do not think TSPL will have as immersive a story as TOT, but I hope to be proofed wrong.
You make it sound like I am just complaining to complain. Please, do not think this - I am doing everything but this and his previously said what I mean about people that seem to be doing this. But I want to be able to say my opinion although it might be negative regarding something :mrgreen:
I dont think your complaining for the sake of complaining Forza :) unlike some comments I've read yours are very constructive! I know TSPL cant be compared fully to ToT, but the point I am making is the area is themed to fit the attraction, unlike say *cough*Crush*cough* ;) No matter the faults a lot of thought and planning has gone into TSPL, we need to give it a chance *nods*
And thanks Tubbsy, :) I really cant understand people who are saying they wont go to DLP because this addition doesnt have the things they want... :? sometimes we all need to look at the bigger picture.
Hi Forza, I know for myself and judging from the tone of others here, I don't think anyone is trying to get at you in any way. Just chit chat you know :thumbs: you've made very sound points, like it.
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"sometimes we all need to look at the bigger picture.
As if it was taken out of my own mouth. I am not a fan of TSPL, but I have already planned a trip again next summer with my friend. And I have convinced my mum and working on convincing my dad to go in december. No way one addition would make stay away - it has so many other places where I can find the magic, just as some will find it in TSPL.
Quote from: "forza_united"Quote from: "PetiteSirene"sometimes we all need to look at the bigger picture.
As if it was taken out of my own mouth. I am not a fan of TSPL, but I have already planned a trip again next summer with my friend. And I have convinced my mum and working on convincing my dad to go in december. No way one addition would make stay away - it has so many other places where I can find the magic, just as some will find it in TSPL.
Exactly, as I have said before we dont ride or in my sons case cant ride Indiana Jones or Space Mountain but it doesnt stop us enjoying the magic elsewhere in the parks
Quote from: "Whip"Here's another video courtesy of Crumser, this time a close-up of RC Racer in action and it's external station. :thumbs:
[youtube:1wl78qvp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_tcvkcOdy4[/youtube:1wl78qvp]
5 minute wait... looks like the new rides are pulling the crowds. Let´s compare this to the new ride in Tokyo Disneyland that has atleast a 2 hour wait. The better the ride the longer the wait. Not always but most often. 5 minutes sais it all.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Love it! :D
Hate it! :evil:
Carnival! :x
Trees! :(
Colour! :P
Greenery! =D>
Theming! :?
DisneySEA! :roll:
Family fun! :D/
Intrusion! :(
(just thought I'd save us all the bother of the next few days worth of TSPL Tennis) :-"
Have you ever been to any other Disneyparks?
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"5 minute wait... looks like the new rides are pulling the crowds. Let´s compare this to the new ride in Tokyo Disneyland that has atleast a 2 hour wait. The better the ride the longer the wait. Not always but most often. 5 minutes sais it all.
Are you joking or is this a serious comment... :|
Firstly your post about the queue time for RC Racer, you don't know the reason it's 5 minutes - the video shows its night, so potentially it's as the park is just closing and guests are leaving, secondly the area is in soft opening mode so there isn't an official launch for it. When I was at WDW last year Space Mountain re-opened after it's lengthy down time for soft opening and it was walk on for the entire day, their big 'new' ride Toy Story Mania had a 10 minute wait. From that one 17 second long video you can't say the whole area isn't popular - you're just looking for negatives for the sake of it now.
Secondly, it shouldn't matter if someone has or hasnt been to other Disney parks, if Paris is their 'home' park then they have every right to get excited about new attractions there, if they are excited by it then clearly the new area is working - and attracting people. Yes it may not fit your view of what a Disney attraction should be, but if people like it it's not your job to shoot them down. Shoot the area down, but stop constantly telling people they're wrong because you're lucky enough to have visited more parks.
This forum was a really nice place, but now TSPL has been installed I dread coming here for construction updates because there will always be a post where someone is telling someone else they're wrong for liking something the other doesn't like.
You seem to constantly forget that Disney Imagineering created this, it's something they obviously thought was of an acceptable quality - so much so that it's going into 2 parks - so have faith that the creative teachings which brought you ToT, Space Mountain and Big Thunder in Paris, and (as you will no doubt mention it at some point) DisneySEA, know what they're doing with this.
Worst comes to the worst, just don't visit it.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Quote from: "Whip"Here's another video courtesy of Crumser, this time a close-up of RC Racer in action and it's external station. :thumbs:
[youtube:1bjsm1ra]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_tcvkcOdy4[/youtube:1bjsm1ra]
5 minute wait... looks like the new rides are pulling the crowds. Let´s compare this to the new ride in Tokyo Disneyland that has atleast a 2 hour wait. The better the ride the longer the wait. Not always but most often. 5 minutes sais it all.
It's a 'soft opening' for crying out lout. The resort isn't communicating these 'unofficial openings'. The new land isn't officialy open before august 17 and judging from the 'lights' it openend on the end of the day, when most people are already out of the park. Seriously, if you haven't anything constructive to add here, besides your constant whining about everything TSP related, please leave this topic alone. Maybe you can join a Tokyo Disney Resort forum?
For your information: The Imagineers have designed a 90-120 minute standby que for RC Racer, because they expect large crowds for this ride. Oh don't tell me: you've said 'MOST of the rides with longer waittimes are better', EXCEPT for RC Racer, right? :roll:
Why are all people answering and commenting on TTT's posts? If you don't like what he is writting then just ignore it, like I do. All his recent posts are to make people feel bad. I'm also not a fan of TSPL, but at least I want to have a possibility to post my views, postive or negative, but I try not to insult anybody here.
And by the way TTT, we already know that you don't like it. Maybe you are happy to hear that there is a rumour that WDI will not design Shanghai Disneyland and so maybe the new park will be better than recent attractions and parks.
I will ignore his comments. I agree with you on that bit. But I'm still a WDS/TSPL Fan.
Quote from: "dagobert"Why are all people answering and commenting on TTT's posts? If you don't like what he is writting then just ignore it, like I do. All his recent posts are to make people feel bad. I'm also not a fan of TSPL, but at least I want to have a possibility to post my views, postive or negative, but I try not to insult anybody here.
And by the way TTT, we already know that you don't like it. Maybe you are happy to hear that there is a rumour that WDI will not design Shanghai Disneyland and so maybe the new park will be better than recent attractions and parks.
It's just the repetitiveness. There is no need to make your point 4,327 times; you will only annoy people. The same goes for the clever, masturbative protest movement he is up against, by the way.
So yes, it's probably a good idea to either say nothing or say something remotely original. Or witty. Everyone likes a joke.
Anyway...
The reason people are reacting is probably for the same reason its annoying me... Every thread I have read that TTT has commented on he has brought TSPL into it. Seriously its getting old -_- we get the point, he hates TSPL, no need to ram it down everyones throats.
I wonder if they will add Toy Story meet and greet areas here? They have some amazing new ones in Florida, it would be great to have an area to meet Buzz... I know Woody has the round up village but Buzz doesnt, it would be great for the kids who love him. I know he sometimes comes out in the main park outside the ride but I personally have never seen him :S
I'd quite like them to put a Buzz area by his ride, and then have some of the more rare characters in there, maybe even bring over a Lotso and have an area there by the domino wall for him to be in (you could even have a Chuckles figure peeking over the top of them in the background!). Or as I said before, it's be nice to see one of the Mr Potato Head figures added in the future!
This area actually has a lot of potential for future expansion/changes, you could do a playground area (something which WDS has a severe lack of), with the K-Nex fencing continuing up into a big structure housing slides etc. The possibilities are endless really! Would have been nice to see a few fountains in the summer, a giant hosepipe themed mister maybe?
@petitesirene "I wonder if they will add Toy Story meet and greet areas here?"
I seem to remember that early on in development WDI insisted there wouldn't be meet and greet locations in TSPL, the characters being our size wouldn't fit the scale of the attractions and statues etc. No idea where I read that but pretty sure.
Here's a tip; if you add someone to your "foes" list, it hides all of their posts so you don't have to read them... ;)
But back to TSPL, I liked what I've seen so far from the pics and videos, especially the musical loop that you can hear playing in the videos! I thought the lighting looked great too :)
Thats a shame if its true... in WDW I met Woody outside Toy Barn which was normal sized. I think DLP needs more meet and greet areas due to their relaxed views on non fixed character meet and greets -_-
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"I know Woody has the round up village but Buzz doesnt, it would be great for the kids who love him. I know he sometimes comes out in the main park outside the ride but I personally have never seen him :S
Buzz had regular meet and greets outside Toon Studios when I was there last month. He was on the programme and everything :)
sometimes i ask myself if the magic forum is a good place to interact with other Disney fans, but i'm not gonna let alot of negative comments about this addition, ruin it for me :)
WDS needed the extra rides and whenever i make my next trip to DLP, i'll definitely be making a visit into TSPL :)
besides the themeing really makes the area look good aswell, just the kind of quality Disney are known for is the themeing and attention to detail...
Well, I haven't posted for a while, and have just read quite a few pages. Just wanted to say, the reason why people are getting so upset, is the tone and vitriol coming from TTT and Disneydave. I can see and understand your point, but just re read some of your posts and maybe you will understand the backlash??
As for the area itself.... Well it's not my cup of tea, and the fact that it is plastic and primary colours, does make it look cheap when compared to the likes of phantom manor etc. However.... It's toys, so hey, on the whole they are plastic and cheap!
I think the attention to detail is good, the filtered pictures display just how good the theming really is, as they look like the models built to promote the area!,
So, on the whole, I think kids will absolutely love this area. And to that I think the imagineers have done a sterling job. Great.
I can pick faults as by the fact that the design is of plastic toys, it doesn't have the same draw and depth for me as some of the classic attractions. It's gaudy, bright and plastic, just like the playroom when the kidsbhave gone crazy.
However, one major concern, I wonder how this will look in a harsh cold winter? Bright primary colours and plastic I suspect will look very cheap and tacky in the winter.
Secondly, the upkeep on this need to be high if its going to work, theme wise, rain stains and green moss/alge growing on Rex's teeth of Buzz will not look so good!
I think everyting so far looks really good, I really want to go there soon but i am not going untill next year now.
It is a shame there wont be a meet and greet :( i was looking forward to seeing lotso there.
But if they ever decide to add one i would love them to add some new characters to meet like zurg which would be quite cool or even barbie and ken.
They can change the characters every few days like one day you meet woodie and jessie the next lotso and buzz and then the new characters. I would also really like them to have Bo peep doing meet and greets there.
So i do really hope they change there minds and add meet and greets, which would really add to the experience.
Absolutely hate it. The rides look too big and industrial and the props and theming feels cheap. Perhaps a new low for Imagineering. Carnival rides like the ones found at TSPL can when done right be charming. I bring your attention to the recently re opened Silly Symphony Swings at DCA. Illustrating one of Walt's classic animated movies. In a way a fitting tribute. RC Racer and Toy Soldiers Parachute Jump on the other hand are just a lazy and cheap effort to add new attractions without having to pay for the theming.
I also had not realise until watching the videos just how stupid the decision it was to have the Tower of Terror located in the centre of the park. The other Tower of Terror attractions are all located to one side of the park in the corner. So where ever you stand you still get the view of the front of the building with the Hollywood Hotel sign. If your standing in TSPL and looking at the attraction you end up with a side view. I am starting to wish the park had created another Flik's Fun Fair for this area of the park. At least everything is well themed. What we have here is just ugly and cheap looking.
This just proves my point about Disneyland Paris. For every right decision the Resort makes. It than does takes a step backwards. The addition of the Tower of Terror and Crush were seen as positives steps for the Studios. And now its taken a step back by creating this crap. But oh well at least Tom Staggs has somewhere to take his young boys at the Studios. I just hope they will be tall enough to meet the height requirement for RC Racer.
In support of others like Timmy he has every right to point out the flaws of this new addition. For the ones defending TSPL I ask you how cheap and tacky could Disney go before any of you speak out against the Company?
Quote from: "Malin"Absolutely hate it. The rides look too big and industrial and the props and theming feels cheap. Perhaps a new low for Imagineering. Carnival rides like the ones found at TSPL can when done right be charming. I bring your attention to the recently re opened Silly Symphony Swings at DCA. Illustrating one of Walt's classic animated movies. In a way a fitting tribute. RC Racer and Toy Soldiers Parachute Jump on the other hand are just a lazy and cheap effort to add new attractions without having to pay for the theming.
I also had not realise until watching the videos just how stupid the decision it was to have the Tower of Terror located in the centre of the park. The other Tower of Terror attractions are all located to one side of the park in the corner. So where ever you stand you still get the view of the front of the building with the Hollywood Hotel sign. If your standing in TSPL and looking at the attraction you end up with a side view. I am starting to wish the park had created another Flik's Fun Fair for this area of the park. At least everything is well themed. What we have here is just ugly and cheap looking.
This just proves my point about Disneyland Paris. For every right decision the Resort makes. It than does takes a step backwards. The addition of the Tower of Terror and Crush were seen as positives steps for the Studios. And now its taken a step back by creating this crap. But oh well at least Tom Staggs has somewhere to take his young boys at the Studios. I just hope they will be tall enough to meet the height requirement for RC Racer.
In support of others like Timmy he has every right to point out the flaws of this new addition. For the ones defending TSPL I ask you how cheap and tacky could Disney go before any of you speak out against the Company?
It seems to me that some people confuse the choice of theme for the execution of one. If you dislike the Toy Story theme for being plasticky or gaudy, then that's fine, but that doesn't mean they haven't done a good job with that theme. The props don't look cheap and obviously aren't cheap at all, either, they're just not Victorian or Indiana Jones-ish or whatever you would rather see. And frankly I don't think everything Disney builds has to be Victorian or Indiana Jones-ish.
And I absolutely fail to see why you would prefer Flik's Fun Fair to Toy Story Playland. You would rather see big fake-looking clovers with tarp covering? At least all that plastic looks at home in Toy Story Playland; in A Bug's Land it just looks phony. And even worse, Flik's Fun Fair was one of Disney's much-lamented "themed carnivals that were still carnivals" from the early 2000s. At least Toy Story Playland ditched that concept.
In that same vein, you mention Crush as a more promising development than Playland — but Crush was thrown into a sky blue sound stage and surrounded by a jumble of incoherent scenery. Was that a more "Disney" thing to do than the meticulous environment they've created in Playland? I think not.
As for the Tower of Terror placement, yes, well, duh. Welcome to that club. Tony Baxter has membership forms.
QuoteIt seems to me that some people confuse the choice of theme for the execution of one. If you dislike the Toy Story theme for being plasticky or gaudy, then that's fine, but that doesn't mean they haven't done a good job with that theme. The props don't look cheap and obviously aren't cheap at all, either, they're just not Victorian or Indiana Jones-ish or whatever you would rather see. And frankly I don't think everything Disney builds has to be Victorian or Indiana Jones-ish.
The theme is not the issue here its the quality of theming used. I do not look at stuff like the Barrel of Monkey's and the fencing and think wow there most of spent a fortune on this place. If it was not for the use of Pixar Characters or the Tower of Terror sticking up from the bamboo. You could easily be mistaken for thinking these pictures could of been taken from any themepark across Europe. What makes TSPL except for the Toy Story Characters stand out as a Disney park? I'm looking for that Disney difference and I just don't see it here. I will not credit them for creating a cheap looking environment even if that was the intention.
QuoteAnd I absolutely fail to see why you would prefer Flik's Fun Fair to Toy Story Playland. You would rather see big fake-looking clovers with tarp covering? At least all that plastic looks at home in Toy Story Playland; in A Bug's Land it just looks phony. And even worse, Flik's Fun Fair was one of Disney's much-lamented "themed carnivals that were still carnivals" from the early 2000s. At least Toy Story Playland ditched that concept.
A Bugs Land has charm and the attractions are well themed for its environment. I look at Flik's Flyers and marvel over the little details like the vehicles all themed to resemble empty food packaging. Than I look at Toy Soldiers or RC Racer and I don't see any of that detail. These are large industrial looking rides that have had minimum effort given to them. I can ride Heimlich's Chew Chew Train and its full of heart and humour. I fail to see how I would get the same enjoyment out of riding a TSPL ride. You make the point that TSPL ditched the Carnival concept. This makes me appreciate Flik's Fun Fair even more. Its honest about what it is and does not try and be something its not.
QuoteIn that same vein, you mention Crush as a more promising development than Playland — but Crush was thrown into a sky blue sound stage and surrounded by incoherent, basic scenery. Was that a more "Disney" thing to do than the meticulous environment they've created in Playland? I think not.
Crush fits in well with the rest of the Studio soundstages. What Imagineering did with Crush fits in more with the original theme of the Studios than TSPL in my opinion. And what about the inside of that building. Detailed loading area and a fairly good coaster that does offer some nice dark ride moments and heck even a bit of story thown in too!
I agree with you on the RC Racer and the Parachute Drop; frankly I don't care much about them as I would never go on one of those rides anyway. (Reason 1: I'm an adult.) But they are indeed ugly and only barely passable as themed Disney rides. (The Flik's Fun Fair rides are to my eyes only marginally better themed, but anyway.)
However, I see the K'Nex railings and the floorwork and the dominos and the little perk with the enormous grass blades and the ball in it, or the Tinkertoys playfully standing amongst well-trimmed hedges shaped like model set trees, and I see the first 360-degree, "immersive," themed environment at the park. I see a theme commendably well-executed, I see old fashioned Disney standards. (And no I am not forgetting about the Tower of Terror, which lest we forget still stands in the middle of concreteville.) And I don't understand how you don't see this, how you think that this is somehow something from an inferior European amusement park. It's simply not.
The original studios concept was to have a gathering of sound stages, yes, and don't we all love that... Crush, on that subject, is a so-so ride in a hideous building in a land that makes no sense whatsoever. So this, to me, is a step up...
I too think people are getting confused over disliking the theme over the execution of that theme. I personally dislike the theme, and as said fear it will look worse in the winter. However there is no denying the level of attention on this area, and it is a step up from the past
Quote from: "penfold12"I too think people are getting confused over disliking the theme over the execution of that theme. I personally dislike the theme, and as said fear it will look worse in the winter. However there is no denying the level of attention on this area, and it is a step up from the past
You are absolutely right. The theming if the whole area isn't bad at all, in fact it looks good. I just don't like the Parachute Tower and RC Racer and that WDI used Toy Story again, although I do understand it from a marketing point of view, since the new movie is in cinemas this summer. But there is so much Toy Story around the resort. I know that Pixar movies are making a lot of money for Disney, but there is so much more in this big company to use.
TSPL provides a lot of greenery which is really needed in the concrete desert of WDS. I'm sure if WDI would have used smaller rides which are suitable for kids, the whole land would be fine. At least TSPL looks a lot better than DAK's Chester & Hester's Dinorama.
I also think that in winter TSPL will not look good. In my opinion the grey Buzz Lightyear building in Discoveryland looks bad and so will TSPL. Hopefully I'm proven wrong.
Please don't kill me for the following questions:
Did WDI ever explain how Andy's backyard fits into the Studio? What's the official story behind TSPL?
I know there was a lot of arguing in this thread about the background story, but I can't remember that someone came up with the answer?
Thanks!
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Does anybody else find it a bit odd there is nothing in TSPL representing toy story 3. On all the attraction photos and advertisments there is no mention of any of the new characters.
I am quite surprised by this because adding some toy story 3 characters or even a toy story 3 ride would be good advertisment and promotion for the film.
I think it's because the design stage of this started so long ago that WDI didn't know TS3 details, but why they couldn't have gotten some details I don't know, the movie must have been in production for longer than TSPL, but maybe different parts of Disney don't just talk to each other as simply as we might imagine.
A couple of snippets like new characters would have been nice to see incorporated though. Maybe they wanted to focus on elements they knew had already stood the test of time and they weren't sure about putting untested elements in that might not actually turn out to be popular.
Quote from: "disneyrules"Does anybody else find it a bit odd there is nothing in TSPL representing toy story 3. On all the attraction photos and advertisments there is no mention of any of the new characters.
I am quite surprised by this because adding some toy story 3 characters or even a toy story 3 ride would be good advertisment and promotion for the film.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"I think it's because the design stage of this started so long ago that WDI didn't know TS3 details, but why they couldn't have gotten some details I don't know, the movie must have been in production for longer than TSPL, but maybe different parts of Disney don't just talk to each other as simply as we might imagine.
A couple of snippets like new characters would have been nice to see incorporated though. Maybe they wanted to focus on elements they knew had already stood the test of time and they weren't sure about putting untested elements in that might not actually turn out to be popular.
Or is it because TSPL is supposed to be Andy's backyard, and the new characters would not fit into Andy's backyard as they weren't his toys....
^ I think we have a winner.
Quote from: "Laura678"Or is it because TSPL is supposed to be Andy's backyard, and the new characters would not fit into Andy's backyard as they weren't his toys....
Quote from: "pussinboots"^ I think we have a winner.
That's a very good point you've got there. ;)
Thanks!
I just think it makes sense!
That does make makes sense now Laura678 good thinking :thumbs:
But im sure WDI could have thought of away to include the new characters, they propably didnt have time and imformation to like DopeyDad suggested.
Not tattling on my 15 year old much but she is really not keen on meeting Lots o Huggin as hes mean and Big Baby scared her!
It does make complete sense why they're not in Andys garden but I agree a meet aand greet would be great-but not for my daughter!
QuoteI agree with you on the RC Racer and the Parachute Drop; frankly I don't care much about them as I would never go on one of those rides anyway. (Reason 1: I'm an adult.) But they are indeed ugly and only barely passable as themed Disney rides. (The Flik's Fun Fair rides are to my eyes only marginally better themed, but anyway.)
Adult or not these rides should appeal to the whole family. If you've got zero interest in them. Than shame on Disney for adding them in the first place. The Flik's Fun Fair rides are just as well themed as any of the rides of this type in Fantasyland. Although in the case of Paris these are presented in more impressive surroundings like the glass dome over the Tea Cups. The verdict is still out on Slinky, but it does appear to be well themed. But no excuses for the other two attractions. Poor and lazy.
QuoteHowever, I see the K'Nex railings and the floorwork and the dominos and the little perk with the enormous grass blades and the ball in it, or the Tinkertoys playfully standing amongst well-trimmed hedges shaped like model set trees, and I see the first 360-degree, "immersive," themed environment at the park. I see a theme commendably well-executed, I see old fashioned Disney standards. (And no I am not forgetting about the Tower of Terror, which lest we forget still stands in the middle of concreteville.) And I don't understand how you don't see this, how you think that this is somehow something from an inferior European amusement park. It's simply not
I have seen far better theming in other European parks. A few plastic toy props is no where near old fashioned Disney standards as far as I'm concerned. This is the most fake looking attraction I think Disney has ever produced and is just not up to the standards I expect. Its all a mish mash of crap. With the right budget the concept could of worked. But Disney decided to go cheap with the project, and it shocks and concerns me your unable to view what I'm seeing here.
QuoteThe original studios concept was to have a gathering of sound stages, yes, and don't we all love that... Crush, on that subject, is a so-so ride in a hideous building in a land that makes no sense whatsoever. So this, to me, is a step up...
What I admire about Crush is that its really just another carnival ride. But no one views it like that because Disney did such a good job with the show building and lighting effects. With TSPL the rides are not hidden with great story telling and are in full ugly view. No effort was made to turn these rides into something special like it was for Crush.
Sorry Puss but we are not going to see eye to eye on this subject. Our standards and expectations are obviously worlds apart.
[quote="Malin) it shocks and concerns me your unable to view what I'm seeing here.
Our standards and expectations are obviously worlds apart.[/quote]
It shocks and concerns me you could be that patronising
I'm sure Pussinboots who the comments are aimed at would of not found them patronising in the least. After all we both share a love for Disneyland Paris and write with our hearts. We clearly view the Toy Story Playland expansion in two different ways. And have come here to debate and defend our views.
RockNRoller if you find my comments to be patronising I apologise but this is how I feel. If you take offense maybe you should skip my post's from now on :)
Quote from: "Malin"RockNRoller if you find my comments to be patronising I apologise but this is how I feel. If you take offense maybe you should skip my post's from now on :)
Not offended in the slightest and its me who should apologise, I butted into your conversation.
This is a public forum. You are more than welcome to join in the conversation.
Ah I hope to see it soon , its looks very nice :D
I love this topic and visit it every day.....but sometimes I feel like one of those kids in a playground standing round, clapping and shouting "fight, fight, fight" when two kids are arguing :lol: :lol:
Its good we all have different opinions and have the place to air them. I will wait till I visit to see how I feel.
Quote from: "Malin"QuoteI agree with you on the RC Racer and the Parachute Drop; frankly I don't care much about them as I would never go on one of those rides anyway. (Reason 1: I'm an adult.) But they are indeed ugly and only barely passable as themed Disney rides. (The Flik's Fun Fair rides are to my eyes only marginally better themed, but anyway.)
Adult or not these rides should appeal to the whole family. If you've got zero interest in them. Than shame on Disney for adding them in the first place. The Flik's Fun Fair rides are just as well themed as any of the rides of this type in Fantasyland. Although in the case of Paris these are presented in more impressive surroundings like the glass dome over the Tea Cups. The verdict is still out on Slinky, but it does appear to be well themed. But no excuses for the other two attractions. Poor and lazy.
QuoteHowever, I see the K'Nex railings and the floorwork and the dominos and the little perk with the enormous grass blades and the ball in it, or the Tinkertoys playfully standing amongst well-trimmed hedges shaped like model set trees, and I see the first 360-degree, "immersive," themed environment at the park. I see a theme commendably well-executed, I see old fashioned Disney standards. (And no I am not forgetting about the Tower of Terror, which lest we forget still stands in the middle of concreteville.) And I don't understand how you don't see this, how you think that this is somehow something from an inferior European amusement park. It's simply not
I have seen far better theming in other European parks. A few plastic toy props is no where near old fashioned Disney standards as far as I'm concerned. This is the most fake looking attraction I think Disney has ever produced and is just not up to the standards I expect. Its all a mish mash of crap. With the right budget the concept could of worked. But Disney decided to go cheap with the project, and it shocks and concerns me your unable to view what I'm seeing here.
QuoteThe original studios concept was to have a gathering of sound stages, yes, and don't we all love that... Crush, on that subject, is a so-so ride in a hideous building in a land that makes no sense whatsoever. So this, to me, is a step up...
What I admire about Crush is that its really just another carnival ride. But no one views it like that because Disney did such a good job with the show building and lighting effects. With TSPL the rides are not hidden with great story telling and are in full ugly view. No effort was made to turn these rides into something special like it was for Crush.
Sorry Puss but we are not going to see eye to eye on this subject. Our standards and expectations are obviously worlds apart.
Well, it
is patronising, that's a fact, but I don't mind. You see, when you say "our standards and expectations are obviously worlds apart," you picture these standards to be on a sort of vertical scale ranging from "happy clappy simpleton Disney fan" to the coveted "I've been to Tokyo." Whereas I see them more on a horizontal plane, where I sit more on the "I appreciate artistic depth and competence" side and you on the "I demand value for my money" side. Or similar. Different strokes.
And you're a little vague as to why exactly it's a fake-looking pile of crap and how it could have been a better-looking pile of crap with a bigger budget. (I'm not talking about those two rides, but everything else.) How is this not a good execution of the "Andy's backyard" concept?
Talk about good and bad! The very worst of "outletDisney" meets the standard Disney. If entire WDS could be as good as the Paris section semes to be itIf they only could explain what Paris is doing in Hollywood...
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:thumbs: Thanks for the update TTT, great news
I've been tempted to post in this topic a few times, but then I'd just have had to say "I agree" to pretty much every point made by Pussinboots, and where's the fun in that...
Now, having been there, I thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway. The finished product hasn't actually changed my opinion but reinforced both my negative and positive ideas about it. No, it's not the theme I'd have picked, but yes, they've made it fun... and I'm not even talking about the attractions. Clever details abound in the land, it's definitely one of the most consistently themed areas in the park. I enjoyed seeing the toy Dinoco gas station or the wooden toy train rail benches. There's a lot to look at and take pictures of, which can't be said for most of the Studios...
Obviously it's not remotely on the same plane as Pirates of the Caribbean or BTM, but at least it's more intricate and detailed than e.g. Casey Jr. (which incidentally was designed by the same guy) and way more consistent than SM:M2. The Ratatouille area is promising with little previews of what's to come hidden in plain sight.
Now, if only someone would have thought of a better design for the Parachute Drop tower...
Quote from: "RiverRogue"I've been tempted to post in this topic a few times, but then I'd just have had to say "I agree" to pretty much every point made by Pussinboots, and where's the fun in that...
Now, having been there, I thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway. The finished product hasn't actually changed my opinion but reinforced both my negative and positive ideas about it. No, it's not the theme I'd have picked, but yes, they've made it fun... and I'm not even talking about the attractions. Clever details abound in the land, it's definitely one of the most consistently themed areas in the park. I enjoyed seeing the toy Dinoco gas station or the wooden toy train rail benches. There's a lot to look at and take pictures of, which can't be said for most of the Studios...
Obviously it's not remotely on the same plane as Pirates of the Caribbean or BTM, but at least it's more intricate and detailed than e.g. Casey Jr. (which incidentally was designed by the same guy) and way more consistent than SM:M2. The Ratatouille area is promising with little previews of what's to come hidden in plain sight.
Now, if only someone would have thought of a better design for the Parachute Drop tower...
Sounds like "not good enough" to me...
Shouldn´t Disney be THE BEST!...?
Loving all this 'secret' Ratatouille stuff. It's like Toilets of Terror all over again :)
It's gonna be a long time waiting for snippets of the Rat though, I need another morsel of cheese to keep me going!
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Well, another negative post, but THIS I have to agree with. I feared for the colours of this land in dark weather and sadly I got my proof now. One of the plusses in sun is one the minuses in typical European weather. :(
This looks like a backyard... a backyard in a ghetto full of trash!
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Classic American toy house ...something. Classic American UGLY!
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Look, Timmy, just in case you've found yourself unable to process that concept psychologically:
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See how these toys tend to have stickers on them rather than real, detailed interiors? Well hey, that's what they did on a larger scale. Isn't that fun.
Wow, TimmyTimmyTimmy, you are one depressing person. Sorry to be a bit of a mod but surely you could have just edited your post instead of just posting separate images as individual posts?
Anyways I think it looks great. I think those photos are just bad too. When I went last month we had a few cloudy days and the area still looked colourful, sometimes what you see in person is very different as a photo. (sorry that's worded badly)
Quote from: "pussinboots"Look, Timmy, just in case you've found yourself unable to process that concept psychologically:
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See how these toys tend to have stickers on them rather than real, detailed interiors? Well hey, that's what they did on a larger scale. Isn't that fun.
Nail. Head. Hit.
How I see it TSPL does have the theming accurate to that of Frontierland or classic Discoveryland (aka before Mission 2 and all that). Sure it mightn't be as well themed or as 'magical' as the two mentioned but they all do well at what they're trying to get across, right? Frontierland's aim was to submerge you into a western town just after a gold rush, check. Discoveryland's aim was to bring you to the future through the eyes of visionaries from the past like Jules Verne, check (sorta). Toy Story Playland's aim is to shrink you to the size of a toy where all those small plastic objects seem lifesize, you know what? Check.
Quote from: "RiverRogue"Obviously it's not remotely on the same plane as Pirates of the Caribbean or BTM, but at least it's more intricate and detailed than e.g. Casey Jr. (which incidentally was designed by the same guy) and way more consistent than SM:M2.
There's an interesting take. Never thought someone would actually rank it above a part of Fantasyland...
So it was the Toontown guy again, huh. Dial "Shull" (right?) for fiberglass.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Look, Timmy, just in case you've found yourself unable to process that concept psychologically:
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See how these toys tend to have stickers on them rather than real, detailed interiors? Well hey, that's what they did on a larger scale. Isn't that fun.
Well as I said... Classic American UGLY!
Do you think that looks good?
Quote from: "peep"Wow, TimmyTimmyTimmy, you are one depressing person. Sorry to be a bit of a mod but surely you could have just edited your post instead of just posting separate images as individual posts?
Anyways I think it looks great. I think those photos are just bad too. When I went last month we had a few cloudy days and the area still looked colourful, sometimes what you see in person is very different as a photo. (sorry that's worded badly)
The posts are as they are. I do admit I am clumsy when it comes to that.
By the way... this is not about me. If anybody feels like talking about me as person please do that in a TimmyTimmyTimmy forum. Block me and ignore me if you don´t like my view of Disney themeparks.
You see... if everybody liked TSPL as many of you here seme to do then there would be no DisneySEA and no Cars land expansion in DCA. Now that would be a shame. Everytime I see something about DLRP that I either like or dislike I might post it here. This is afterall a forum about DLRP.
I don´t try to get you all down for liking something as TSPL and constantly repeating how good it looks after everysecond new picture you see of it.
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Well as I said... Classic American UGLY!
Do you think that looks good?
Look, I don't want to be rude, but have they not taught you at school to explain your opinions? What's happening now is that someone writes a thoughtful post, then you go "UGLY!," then someone responds again in a thoughtful manner, then you go "UGLY" again, et cetera. That's not a satisfying dialog to anyone.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Well as I said... Classic American UGLY!
Do you think that looks good?
Look, I don't want to be rude, but have they not taught you at school to explain your opinions? What's happening now is that someone writes a thoughtful post, then you go "UGLY!," then someone responds again in a thoughtful manner, then you go "UGLY" again, et cetera. That's not a satisfying dialog to anyone.
I stand firm in what I think about TSPL and the design of the entire place. I have said it before and my view has not changed after having seen picture after picture and loads of videos of it. I do not like the stale, sterile , plastic look that is classic american toys and such. That gas station simply does not have any appeal to me at all. It looks cheap as well. I don´t like it when things look cheap. I pay 100s of euros to go to Paris and see a plastic looking box with gas station stickers on it, when the very same amount could take me to the center of the earth in Tokyo. The only thing that looks somewhat good in TSPL is Buzz and Rex.... but those are just statues, and DLRP already has a Buzz. I also do not like the fences of this terrible area. Look at the fences! How can anyone claim those look good? Is the world going zombie or has Disney just forgotten about bribing me out of all europeans?
No... that gas station in TSPL is the most ugly thing I have seen in a Disneypark. ...second to the war tower that is. That is my oppinion about the gas station. ...and yes this was ANOTHER negative coment by me.
Show me something to like and I will!
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:roll: anyhoo, nice to see some new pictures hey!
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"I stand firm in what I think about TSPL and the design of the entire place. I have said it before and my view has not changed after having seen picture after picture and loads of videos of it. I do not like the stale, sterile , plastic look that is classic american toys and such. That gas station simply does not have any appeal to me at all. It looks cheap as well. I don´t like it when things look cheap. I pay 100s of euros to go to Paris and see a plastic looking box with gas station stickers on it, when the very same amount could take me to the center of the earth in Tokyo. The only thing that looks somewhat good in TSPL is Buzz and Rex.... but those are just statues, and DLRP already has a Buzz. I also do not like the fences of this terrible area. Look at the fences! How can anyone claim those look good? Is the world going zombie or has Disney just forgotten about bribing me out of all europeans?
No... that gas station in TSPL is the most ugly thing I have seen in a Disneypark. ...second to the war tower that is. That is my oppinion about the gas station. ...and yes this was ANOTHER negative coment by me.
Show me something to like and I will!
But you can't claim to be surprised now after all this time whenever you see a new picture of the land and it's
not Journey to the Center of the Earth. They went with the toy thing. And so they put toys in it. Now you don't want toys, you want a volcano, but it's been roughly ten thousand years now since we've all known that they weren't building a volcano, so what's the point in going on and on about that volcano?
I mean, when your girlfriend or whoever cooks you a herring dinner but you wanted gravlax or whatever, do you not at some point get over that and think, "hmmm, herring isn't
that bad, let's shut up and eat"?
I don't even mind the negativity, just the lack of originality.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"I stand firm in what I think about TSPL and the design of the entire place. I have said it before and my view has not changed after having seen picture after picture and loads of videos of it. I do not like the stale, sterile , plastic look that is classic american toys and such. That gas station simply does not have any appeal to me at all. It looks cheap as well. I don´t like it when things look cheap. I pay 100s of euros to go to Paris and see a plastic looking box with gas station stickers on it, when the very same amount could take me to the center of the earth in Tokyo. The only thing that looks somewhat good in TSPL is Buzz and Rex.... but those are just statues, and DLRP already has a Buzz. I also do not like the fences of this terrible area. Look at the fences! How can anyone claim those look good? Is the world going zombie or has Disney just forgotten about bribing me out of all europeans?
No... that gas station in TSPL is the most ugly thing I have seen in a Disneypark. ...second to the war tower that is. That is my oppinion about the gas station. ...and yes this was ANOTHER negative coment by me.
Show me something to like and I will!
But you can't claim to be surprised now after all this time whenever you see a new picture of the land and it's not Journey to the Center of the Earth. They went with the toy thing. And so they put toys in it. Now you don't want toys, you want a volcano, but it's been roughly ten thousand years now since we've all known that they weren't building a volcano, so what's the point in going on and on about that volcano?
I mean, when your girlfriend or whoever cooks you a herring dinner but you wanted gravlax or whatever, do you not at some point get over that and think, "hmmm, herring isn't that bad, let's shut up and eat"?
I don't even mind the negativity, just the lack of originality.
I know they went with the toy theme. But I would never dream to see a thing like that gas station in a THEMEpark. It´s a BOX! A box with stickers on it. It looks nothing like the picture of the gas station you posted.
Pussinboots tell me if you think this is something that looks good. Is this the Disney that you want to pay for to see? This is low even for TSPL:
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It's not exactly a-ma-zing, obviously, and it probably cost them the megacorporation equivalent of a caffe latte, but it's fitting and every part of it can be attributed to the concept of the place it stands in. The lights and gas pumps are obviously custom-made, the "sticker" illustrations do look like the ones you used to find on toys, it's a wink to a bit of Toy Story minutiae (Dinoco), and they were accurate enough to use the Toy Story Dinoco logo and not the Cars one. And they didn't even have to put it there...
Compared to the entirely aimless patio furniture and random movie poster bric-a-brac that has long reigned in the queues of the Studios, yes, I think it's pretty nice. A bit of fun.
I'm sorry Timmy Timmy Intimidating , but your constant negative and downright depressive constant posts on the subject fo Toy Story Playland have prompted me to now stop posting completely on the forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I find it disresoectful that you continue in this way after people have kindly asked you to looks at both sides of the argument and not constantly knock people and ideas down.
Hence I am leaving Magicforum now on a permanent basis.
See now this is getting silly again-
Whip nobody should leave because of one persons views who dont match yours or you feel someone is being abrupt, rude or insulting, thats what mods are for. You need to speak to them, let them know how you feel. C'mon please dont leave.
TTT is right that he is entitled to his opinion and if we dont like it we can blok what he says or ignore what he says. TBH i've started scrolling past most of your comments TTT looking for updates-and I dont think you'd be surprised by that.
Personally I have said I feel the area is a bit disjointed because of Lazer Blast and Pizza Planet etc in different places-I'd have preferred to have one place, but I'll get over it and the theming is spot on with Toy Story 3 and I think it is sad that people cant see that.
As for being dull I could go through and find photos of Indina Jones looking dull and the perfectly placed tracking actually looking like a bunch of scaffolding.
I did read a comment about Disney and Victorian theming done well, well I am sorry they have to move along with the films they are making now.
We cant have every ride being a big E ticket ride- can we honestly look around the parks and say every ride is an E ticket?
I feel as though I could go on and on but I wont, I'll only repeat myself more
I will say Just watched an article on morning television that said Toy Story 3 is the highest grossing animated film in UK history so far and is expected to overtake POTC. So how can Disney ignore this by not providing an area for all those TS fans young and old, big and small?
Quote from: "tubbsy"As for being dull I could go through and find photos of Indina Jones looking dull and the perfectly placed tracking actually looking like a bunch of scaffolding.
I totally agree Tubbsy, I have photos of every single part of the park looking dull and miserable and it has nothing to do with the theming. Every land has unflattering points of view where you can get bad photos. I have a photo of Space Mountain that looked horrible and dull because of the weather. Photos are deceiving and they dont tell us anything about how the area feels. You cant tell that until you have actually been there.
I agree that people are mixing bad theming with choice of themeing. People saying it looks cheap? Its MEANT to, childrens toys are cheap. Especially the toys that Andy had in Toy Story. The area is well themed, not everyone LIKES the theming but it doesnt mean its not well themed. What I have seen so far fits in with the idea of it being a garden full of toys. As for the Dinaco Garage? I had one of those as a child (it was a hot wheels one) When I look back at it I think wow it looks really cheap compared to todays toys! however... The original Toy Story came out whilst I was still playing with it. Toys have evolved since Toy Story first came out and I am glad they have stuck to the Toys that were around in that era. Bad Theming would have been the area filled with loads of expensive looking toys that Andy never would have had in his backyard as a child. (For those who will say oh but in Toy Story 3... TSPL is obviously not set in this era... Since Andy wouldnt have had his toys in his garden as a teenager.)
Disney magic:
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They got the Pixar ball in! :D
(ironic that when I did a google search for TSPL TTTs picture came up... according to google you are linked to it good for you :lol:)
Quote from: "Whip"I'm sorry Timmy Timmy Intimidating , but your constant negative and downright depressive constant posts on the subject fo Toy Story Playland have prompted me to now stop posting completely on the forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I find it disresoectful that you continue in this way after people have kindly asked you to looks at both sides of the argument and not constantly knock people and ideas down.
Hence I am leaving Magicforum now on a permanent basis.
well I've had enough of this,
but I don't think you should leave the forum Whip, that's just one view being pushed out by TTTs frankly ludicrous chanting, despite both admins giving warnings.
I hope this forum can return to a respectful and constructive exchange of views soon.
btw I loved your post petitesirene "(ironic that when I did a google search for TSPL TTTs picture came up... according to google you are linked to it good for you )" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Excellent. Love the Scalextric track on the floor; much nicer to see than horrible old concrete in most of the rest of the queuing areas. The trees provide a welcome bit of cover too.
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Hi everyone!
I'm new to this forum although I'm a regular visitor and reader. I'm 49 years old, I'm from Germany and I'm going to Disney since 1990. I have been to WDW 10 times, to DL in Anaheim 3 times and to DLRP 8 times.
It is very sad what's going on here in this thread. Toy Story Playland is by far not the best land created by Walt Disney Imagineering, but compared to other attractions like Casey Jr it doesn't look bad. I'm sure my kids will like it, but I think that long time Disney fans are not that happy, but that's just my opinion!
One last thing I want to say. This is a forum and everybody should have his own opinion, even if you don't like it. Somehow I have the feeling that it is not really allowed here to say something against Disney. Disney has changed in recent years and unfortunately not for the best. Many things are going wrong in this wonderful company, especially in the themepark business. If you compare what WDI is designing at the moment and what Universal or other themeparks like Europa Park in Germany are creating, you realize that Disney can do better. At the moment Disney is just using franchises to make as much money as possible. You just have to take a look at the Fantasyland espansion at Walt Disney World. There is just one new ride and the rest are princess meet and greets. Yes that's Disney of today.
Disney WAS the best of the themepark business, they invented it, but sadly all great Imagineers had to leave and now they are building great rides for other companies. Hopefully the new attractions at DL in Anaheim and Hong Kong will turn out great. By the way, at least TSPL didn't get built in the Disneyland PArk like in Hong Kong. Than I would really be angry.
After having said my opinion I can't wait to see my happy kids when visiting TSPL. Toy Story is their favorite movie!!
Maybe I will change my view on TSPL after returning hom from Disneyland Paris.
Hi PizzaPlanet, nice to meet you and welcome to the forum. I think what you have said here is very fair comment.
I am hoping that Disney will get on track, cant wait to see TSPL for myself and looking forward to good things with the new Ratatoulie ride :)
Quote from: "tubbsy"Hi PizzaPlanet, nice to meet you and welcome to the forum. I think what you have said here is very fair comment.
I am hoping that Disney will get on track, cant wait to see TSPL for myself and looking forward to good things with the new Ratatoulie ride :)
Hi Tubbsy!
Thanks for the nice welcome!
I'm sure Ratatouile will be great and a wonderful addition to the park and hopefully an attraction that everyone will like.
With Tower Of Terror, Crush's Coaster and the future Ratatouille ride the parks is heading into the right direction. I don't want to argue about TSPL and the studios theme. As many people here already said it doesn't really fit, but the theming looks great in terms of WDS standards and it brings much needed greenery into the park.
Now it only needs a Hollywood Blvd and a Sunset Strip like in the Hollywood Studios in Florida and I'm fine with the park, because until now I didn't really like the park very much. Most attractions at WDS are better than the attractions in Florida, but there they are older.
To be honest I think that TSPL or Toy Story Land will fit very well in HDKL. It is in desperate need of new rides, even more than WDS. Disneyland is a mix of different lands and visions of life. WDS is a movie studio... As long as the rides are not visible from entire HKDL I would be fine about having Toy Story there. The problem is that there already is a Toy Story ride in the same park. WDS does not have that. WDS need theme but HDKL is full of trees and great looking buildings. Having been there a few times I can really recomend anybody viseting the place. It is a great time the next few years for Disneyland fans. DCA is getting Carsland, TDR will get 2 new attractions and a brand new version of Fantasmic, WDW Fantasyland forest and HKDL will get 3 new lands incl 2 e-tickets! The new Paris area in WDS looks great from what I have seen. One can only hope that it will make sense having it in a Hollywood themed park, that they can hide the RC racer that ruins the view and that the ride is as good as Spiderman in IOA. People will be running through TSPL to get a fastpass for the rat ride.
Here´s a peek of how the Stinky Dog ride wait area will look inside:)
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Quote from: "Pizzaplanet"Hi everyone!
I'm new to this forum although I'm a regular visitor and reader. I'm 49 years old, I'm from Germany and I'm going to Disney since 1990. I have been to WDW 10 times, to DL in Anaheim 3 times and to DLRP 8 times.
It is very sad what's going on here in this thread. Toy Story Playland is by far not the best land created by Walt Disney Imagineering, but compared to other attractions like Casey Jr it doesn't look bad. I'm sure my kids will like it, but I think that long time Disney fans are not that happy, but that's just my opinion!
One last thing I want to say. This is a forum and everybody should have his own opinion, even if you don't like it. Somehow I have the feeling that it is not really allowed here to say something against Disney. Disney has changed in recent years and unfortunately not for the best. Many things are going wrong in this wonderful company, especially in the themepark business. If you compare what WDI is designing at the moment and what Universal or other themeparks like Europa Park in Germany are creating, you realize that Disney can do better. At the moment Disney is just using franchises to make as much money as possible. You just have to take a look at the Fantasyland espansion at Walt Disney World. There is just one new ride and the rest are princess meet and greets. Yes that's Disney of today.
Disney WAS the best of the themepark business, they invented it, but sadly all great Imagineers had to leave and now they are building great rides for other companies. Hopefully the new attractions at DL in Anaheim and Hong Kong will turn out great. By the way, at least TSPL didn't get built in the Disneyland PArk like in Hong Kong. Than I would really be angry.
After having said my opinion I can't wait to see my happy kids when visiting TSPL. Toy Story is their favorite movie!!
Maybe I will change my view on TSPL after returning hom from Disneyland Paris.
Hello from Austria to Germany!
I can't agree more on what you have said about Disney of today. Every new attraction is either based on Pixar or on Princesses. Nothing new and original.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts and impressions about TSPL after your returning from DLRP. Hopefully your children will like the new Toy Story land.
Quote from: "Pizzaplanet"Hi everyone!
I'm new to this forum although I'm a regular visitor and reader. I'm 49 years old, I'm from Germany and I'm going to Disney since 1990. I have been to WDW 10 times, to DL in Anaheim 3 times and to DLRP 8 times.
It is very sad what's going on here in this thread. Toy Story Playland is by far not the best land created by Walt Disney Imagineering, but compared to other attractions like Casey Jr it doesn't look bad. I'm sure my kids will like it, but I think that long time Disney fans are not that happy, but that's just my opinion!
One last thing I want to say. This is a forum and everybody should have his own opinion, even if you don't like it. Somehow I have the feeling that it is not really allowed here to say something against Disney. Disney has changed in recent years and unfortunately not for the best. Many things are going wrong in this wonderful company, especially in the themepark business. If you compare what WDI is designing at the moment and what Universal or other themeparks like Europa Park in Germany are creating, you realize that Disney can do better. At the moment Disney is just using franchises to make as much money as possible. You just have to take a look at the Fantasyland espansion at Walt Disney World. There is just one new ride and the rest are princess meet and greets. Yes that's Disney of today.
Disney WAS the best of the themepark business, they invented it, but sadly all great Imagineers had to leave and now they are building great rides for other companies. Hopefully the new attractions at DL in Anaheim and Hong Kong will turn out great. By the way, at least TSPL didn't get built in the Disneyland PArk like in Hong Kong. Than I would really be angry.
After having said my opinion I can't wait to see my happy kids when visiting TSPL. Toy Story is their favorite movie!!
Maybe I will change my view on TSPL after returning hom from Disneyland Paris.
Welcome to the forum, and its true, although Tom Staggs has ordered retooling of the Fantasyland expansion for WDW
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Here´s a peek of how the Stinky Dog ride wait area will look inside:)
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How mature
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Quote from: "Whip"I'm sorry Timmy Timmy Intimidating , but your constant negative and downright depressive constant posts on the subject fo Toy Story Playland have prompted me to now stop posting completely on the forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I find it disresoectful that you continue in this way after people have kindly asked you to looks at both sides of the argument and not constantly knock people and ideas down.
Hence I am leaving Magicforum now on a permanent basis.
well I've had enough of this,
but I don't think you should leave the forum Whip, that's just one view being pushed out by TTTs frankly ludicrous chanting, despite both admins giving warnings.
I hope this forum can return to a respectful and constructive exchange of views soon.
btw I loved your post petitesirene "(ironic that when I did a google search for TSPL TTTs picture came up... according to google you are linked to it good for you )" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Don't go...
I found some pictures of the view from the top of the parachute tower which I'm finding again now :lol:
Right... here's the pics from the top of Toy Soldier Parachute Drop...
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Source: Ambassaduer Disneyland Paris' facebook page
It looks actually much better from the sky than I imagined :D
Great pics, by the way!
are there people 21th?
Does anyone else think the parachute thing in the 2nd to bottom picture looks like a place for Army Men characters to hang out? Though I'm sure its for guest photos it would be cool to have the Army men marching around :)
Quote from: "pussinboots"There's an interesting take. Never thought someone would actually rank it above a part of Fantasyland...
Oh, I don't, actually... At least, not if we're talking personal preference. I just pointed out that TSPL has a stronger theme, but as far as charm goes, Casey Jr. wins any day...
Quote from: "pussinboots"So it was the Toontown guy again, huh. Dial "Shull" (right?) for fiberglass.
That's the guy.
is that construction plant that I can see over by the costuming building???
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"Does anyone else think the parachute thing in the 2nd to bottom picture looks like a place for Army Men characters to hang out? Though I'm sure its for guest photos it would be cool to have the Army men marching around :)
It does doesnt it? That'd be brilliant if it is, but like you said it might just make you look like you've got a parachute overhead.
Quote from: "tubbsy"it might just make you look like you've got a parachute overhead.
Yep, that's it. It's one of the (I think) three photo locations for guests - there's also RC and Rex.
I don't know how it fits into the Andy/toy theme. Oh! A pop-up birthday card? Let's say so.
Quote from: "Whip"I'm sorry Timmy Timmy Intimidating , but your constant negative and downright depressive constant posts on the subject fo Toy Story Playland have prompted me to now stop posting completely on the forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I find it disresoectful that you continue in this way after people have kindly asked you to looks at both sides of the argument and not constantly knock people and ideas down.
Hence I am leaving Magicforum now on a permanent basis.
It could be one of those fake background things you used to get for some toys! We used to have a dinasour book that had a pull out bit that could be used for a backdrop for toys.
Or a nicely illustrated instruction manual perhaps? Does it have a design on the back? In any case, there seems to be a photo location requisite minimum for anything Euro Disney does... It's the new "Point Photo." A cheap and lazy way of livening up people's snapshots (which is free advertising after all) to be sure, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers a time when the arrival of a new photo location was all the news that would come out of the Studios.
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Source: Ambasadeur DLP Facebook
have to admit that WOULD look cool with an army man posing in it :lol:
Looks good, but it does look very tacky and cheap in places, but i have to agree with Timmytimmy, it lacks disney magic, and def the wrong location... but it should keep the kids happy, wonder if us adults will get anything new, or have we just been forgotten...
I'm fine with the RC Racer, but the billboard with the army men looks so cheap.
Well I have to eat my words. I don't like the theme, but I think they have done a great job with it based on those Ariel photos. It really looks like a group of models or toys! However its a shame that on every angle all you can see is either back stage or building works and fields. Sort of brakes the illusion
Quote from: "penfold12"Well I have to eat my words. I don't like the theme, but I think they have done a great job with it based on those Ariel photos. It really looks like a group of models or toys! However its a shame that on every angle all you can see is either back stage or building works and fields. Sort of brakes the illusion
I can't agree more. That's the reason why I think that the Parachute Drop is the worst attraction of the new land.
Gonna have to agree with the above on this one, the view from the top of the tower is awful. It's one thing to be shrunk to toy level, but they haven't taken into account what you can see when you're taken higher than toy level, I think cleverly RC Racer is angled so you'd miss most of it, but Parachutes seems to just hang you above air-con units, or in view of cast areas.
A way to stop this illusion might be to add in a Toy Soldier on the roof of Art of Animation which you can only see from the ride? Little detail that would probably draw the story back in.
On another note.. are Slinky's ears made of fabric? That could get a bit stagnant in the rain..
Quote from: "Scissorsboi"On another note.. are Slinky's ears made of fabric? That could get a bit stagnant in the rain..
Look like it doesnt it? Hmmm
I do feel there is an element of you do have to use your imagination here. I know we can see buildings butI got the idea that this isnt the finish product as the imagineers are going to have to come up with something to disguise the backstage buildings for Ratatoulie-although there is only so much they will be able to disguise.
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Source: Ambasadeur DLP Facebook
It looks just as good as the rest of WDS. The way they made these new photo spots is just what one might expect from this new place. In a way it´s almost like having two RC racers in one park with that model standing there and point to the sky with the now typical "WDSorange" track. If one loves bright orange, one has to love the fences that surround the area. Talk about bright and colorful! Carsland in DCA will never be as orange as that!
I noticed that the ground looks like mudd. That´s a good thing since it is supposed to be in a garden.
Looks like the fans of DLRP will finally get what Disney think they deserve... and know will accept.
Somebody mentioned the view from the war tower... I think it is a fair view of the park and how it looks. Another proof of how much time was put into designing and planning this land of toy is the movie studio.
Actually I dont like the "mud" round RC there. If its made of the type of cement I think its made of, a few hundred people climbing up to have a photo with RC thats gonna crumble and then we'll get some barrier round it to stop you going near :?
Its just so wrong, they did not think to much about the looks from other areas, you can see it from the stunt show, big green tower.. and the view from up there is just not what you want to see, pipes roofs, air con, a bit of mesh or something to screen it... the land is not up to the usuall disney standard, come on we expect a lot better from our park.. they are capable of it!!!
Quote from: "seanmartina"Its just so wrong, they did not think to much about the looks from other areas, you can see it from the stunt show, big green tower.. and the view from up there is just not what you want to see, pipes roofs, air con, a bit of mesh or something to screen it... the land is not up to the usuall disney standard, come on we expect a lot better from our park.. they are capable of it!!!
You are absolutely right, we expect a lot better from Disney. I don't visit a Disney Park to see the backstage areas.
Hopefully the bamboo will grow so that we can't see the green tower from everywhere. Maybe it will be better covered when Hollywood Blvd gets an expansion.
Here are some pictures that better highlight all the details:
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At the risk of overdoing it and becoming one of those senselessly joyous people who buy Jeff Dunham ring tones off the television, I really find it quite delightful, all the references and whimsical little details. I mean, the pushpin is a light source! Brilliant.
Also, about all those people lamenting the views of backstage areas or air conditioning units, perhaps it's worth recalling that for the past eight years, the park has not so much failed to hide that particular aesthetic as rejoiced in it. I don't mean to say that that makes it okay, but that if we can live with the rest of the park, which will likely continue to revel in corrugated metal and bare concrete for quite some time, surely we can tolerate the sight of the walled-off Costuming building another two years... And surely the wall will get a temporary do-over.
Quote from: "dagobert"Hello from Austria to Germany!
I can't agree more on what you have said about Disney of today. Every new attraction is either based on Pixar or on Princesses. Nothing new and original.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts and impressions about TSPL after your returning from DLRP. Hopefully your children will like the new Toy Story land.
Hello dagobert!!
Thanks for the welcome and greetings to Austria.
I'm sure that my kids will like Toy Story Playland, but I'm not sure if I will like it. It is indeed very sad what's happening at Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. NExt year we are planning a trip to Florida, but we will shorten our trip to WDW and plan to go to Universal instead. I can't wait to see Harry Potter. That's what I expect drom WDI. I know it's not possible in Paris, because of the financial issues, but I'm sure many people are happy with TSPL. But Ratatouille will be a great addition to WDS.
Quote from: "seanmartina"Its just so wrong, they did not think to much about the looks from other areas, you can see it from the stunt show, big green tower.. and the view from up there is just not what you want to see, pipes roofs, air con, a bit of mesh or something to screen it... the land is not up to the usuall disney standard, come on we expect a lot better from our park.. they are capable of it!!!
Well said, I'm with you on that. Disney can do better, but the kids will love the new land. I expect Disney to build the greatest attractions in the themepark business and not Universal.
Nevertheless WDS receives new attractions and I hope that TSPL will shorten the queues of Crush's Coaster.
Thanks for the link, pussinboots. The theming looks wonderful. I didn't expect that.
I'm with you that WDS didn't hide the ugly sides in previous years. That's a reason why I don't like that park that much. For me it is not really a Disney park, but the park improved a lot in recent years, e.g. Tower of Terror or Toon Studio, and that's why I think they could have done better with Toy Story Playland. After seeing some pictures, I like the land, because it is very well themed, but nevertheless WDI made some mistakes with the green tower.
I agree that you can see the future construction works from the top of the parachute drop ride, as i was one of the first members of the public to try out the new rides when they opened the land to the general public on Friday 13th @ about 18.15.I also got 2 rides on RC Racer with no queue!The queuing track is VERY long ,so expect long queues from the 17th Aug.The themeing is the best in the Studios and people should praise Disney for putting so much detail in and less on a few visable rooftops.
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Things I like about Toy Story Playland #133: The stickers on the RC Racer entrance are already peeling off.
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I think the sticker peeling effect is really cute, but I don't think that both of them peeling looks soo good. Maybe just one would have looked better?
The website newsdlrp.com (//http://www.newsdlrp.com/) released great new pictures from TSPL! First: RC Racer... (Source: link (//http://www.newsdlrp.com/dlp-143-toy-story-playland-comme-si-vous-y-etiez.html))
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The themeing of the land looks very good. I can't really find fault with it.
Its great to see all the little details in RCs queue line-love the Mattel 2010 and the name and date-great little details. Also great to see as I wont ever do the queue line as I wont be riding it! :lol:
It will be interesting to see if they will be able to keep the colors from being faded in the sun. Since the buildings have alot "clean" areas with one color only and no shades and shadowing it will show staining and fading much easier than other more typical disney themepark buildings.
That ride still looks as ugly as when they first showed it of. I do understand why the disney fan base comunity is disliking it. A few nice details that I see here and there do not make up for a bad idea and cheap off-the-shelf style ride that RC racer is.
TSPL sure has alot of fences! Is that a part of the theme or just a bad solution?
...the car doesn´t even look like a hotwheel car at all. Talk about getting the most important element for the theme of this ride all wrong! I know that it is a RC racer... but what is it doing on that track then?
Here is how some REAL hotwheel cars look:
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Or maybe its not based so much on hotwheels... Weird that I could picture this as a Scalextric track... Not only because of the theming but perhaps because... OH MY! There IS a Toy Story Scalextric track developed for Toy Story 3! And look! RC looks just like TSPL RC. I certainly could picture Andy creating his OWN track for RC... After all he's a kid and children, unlike some adults use their imagination.
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...or maybe it is based ALOT on Hot wheels?
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"RC Racer
Halfpipe coaster with remote control car RC riding backwards and forwards on an orange "Hot Wheels"-style track. Manufactured by Zamperla, the actual system will be a brand new custom build, based on their Mega Disk'O and Intamin's Halfpipe coaster."
Sirene... I take it somebody used their imagination a bit too much.
I guess i'll add in my thoughts based on the pictures i've seen so far.
Pros: I don't think it looks that bad. It's not the most attractive land, but it looks quite fun for what it is. The theming looks on par to what we see in Flik's Fun Fair at DCA. The rides look pretty fun as well!
Cons: The land as a whole looks great, but I wonder if this what WDS really needed. I certainly hope the Ratatouille ride gets the greenlight because a big quality E-Ticket will be a huge boost for the park.
I wish WDS would have gotten DCA's Midway Mania clone and not DHS. You get the toy theme, but it's indoors and interactive fun for the whole family. Because all these rides are outdoors at TSPL, I wonder how the weather will affect operations. With poor weather in the winter, does that mean the entire land will shut down?
The only other thing that bothers me is the huge size of RC and Parachute Drop. They kind of destroy the illusion of keeping everything the size of a toy. At Flik's Fun Fair, the land is kept within a "canopy" and it everything is kind of tucked away to preserve the illusion that the guest is a size of a bug.
There ARE hotwheels references, I'm not saying there isnt... But how many kids do you know that DONT mix their toys together? There are also Scalextric references, My brother had he man action figures and transformers, didnt stop him from playing a game where He man would join forces or fight against them. Your looking at this from a very single minded adult point of view. Perhaps if you thought about this as a child, where there are endless combinations of toys and how to play with them together without limiting yourself to one 'brand' you might see something different. Children dont look at toys and say 'Oh thats a hot wheels car, I cant play with that with my other cars because its a hotwheel.'
I think DLP deserve a little credit for coming up with something new instead of just cloning Midway Mania... Not all of us may like it, but then again if we had recieved MM there would be a lot of people on here complaining that all DLP gets is clones from other parks. Can't win either way :(. They may not have pulled off TSPL as well as they could have but at least they tried bringing something to DLP thats unique.
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"There ARE hotwheels references, I'm not saying there isnt... But how many kids do you know that DONT mix their toys together? There are also Scalextric references, My brother had he man action figures and transformers, didnt stop him from playing a game where He man would join forces or fight against them. Your looking at this from a very single minded adult point of view. Perhaps if you thought about this as a child, where there are endless combinations of toys and how to play with them together without limiting yourself to one 'brand' you might see something different. Children dont look at toys and say 'Oh thats a hot wheels car, I cant play with that with my other cars because its a hotwheel.'
I think DLP deserve a little credit for coming up with something new instead of just cloning Midway Mania... Not all of us may like it, but then again if we had recieved MM there would be a lot of people on here complaining that all DLP gets is clones from other parks. Can't win either way :(. They may not have pulled off TSPL as well as they could have but at least they tried bringing something to DLP thats unique.
To put it shorter:
Disney shoehorned in Toy Story... and that was my point all the time.
There was nothing in my post to say Disney Shoehorned Toy Story in, stop putting words in my mouth.
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"There was nothing in my post to say Disney Shoehorned Toy Story in, stop putting words in my mouth.
Mixing Hot Wheels with Toy Story in a movie studio... I see a big orange shoehorn
...there is nothing unique about TSPL. HKDL is getting the very same land. ...and these rides have been on themeparks all over the world, fairs, malls and sooo on... again.
You may see that, but what I was saying was something completely different. We all know you hate TSPL, you've shoved it on everyone in the forum. What I am saying is that from a theming point of view mixing toys is all part of childhood. Which only enforces how well themed the area is. Just because you cant see it doesnt mean it isnt there and nobody appreciates the constant negative posts like that one directed to me, non constructive posts you contribute to this thread, putting other posters down. Perhaps if you were politer and actually took others points into view people wouldnt be so negative towards you.
Moving onto a constructive conversation
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I love how this has the criss cross of the Scalectrics track. Such a smaller but cool detail. Brings back many childhood memories of pushing my brothers cars off the tracks :lol:
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Talk about getting the most important element for the theme of this ride all wrong! I know that it is a RC racer... but what is it doing on that track then?
Thats the point I asked myself from the early beginning. This car doesn´t fit on a hot wheels track!
And the question is: Didn´t they care about that? Or didn´t they find a better solution?
Fact is: These little detailes wouldn´t have happened in the past.
Sometimes I think, the new Imagineering Generation is far away from the high standarts of their "dads"
TmmyTimmyTimmy "I do understand why the disney fan base comunity is disliking it"
By which I guess you mean those who agree with you? you know "real fans!"
I'm not going to comment on the project, everyone can see pretty much for themselves now and I suspect everyone knows how you feel TTT and have probably made their mind up about that too. When will you consider talking about something else? Is it after official opening, or do you feel a need to respond to any positive comment about it for the rest of time! The reason I ask is that if there is no end to your need to keep saying you hate it then I wonder if there shouldn't be a separate topic for people who want to discuss it without you, you're are of course welcome to your views and to express them how you wish. But put it this way, if we were all in a bar having a conversation, I think a lot of people would have moved to the other side of the room by now.
It's funny how Disney theme park fans are happy to take a canal boat trip round a fairy brook, or go on a boat trip round the world of dancing dolls in Fantasyland. But the thought of going on a half pipe coaster if they think the car(which has to seat 20 people) doesn't fit on the track, oh no.
In the last days I have read through the whole thread and to me it seems that on this forum it is not really tolerated to say something against Disney. Many people here like TSPL and many people don't like it. In my opinion the people that don't like TSPL didn't insult anyone. And if people can't stand with critics, I'm very sorry for them. Although I think that the theming of the land is great, I still don't like TSPL very much. For me it is a waste of money that could be better used.
We pay premium prices at Disney and what we get for the money, especially in Paris, isn't really what I expect. I know Disney has financial issues and so they can't spend a lot. Another reason why I think TSPL is a waste of money.
Maybe there are people who are happy with Disney's standards of today, but I'm not. WDI did great jobs in recent years, but they made more mistakes and people are tolerating these mistakes. I'm sure the great days of Disney themeparks are gone. Why should Disney build wonderful attractions when people are happy with carnival rides.
I'm leaving this forum now, because I don't feel very comfortable here, since paople don't even tolerate constructive critics here.
Tomorrow we are going to Disneyland Paris and I'm sure my kids will like it.
Have a magical day!!
I have refrained from commenting for a while as negative views of Disney do not seem to be allowed formally or informally. But I thought I should share some more new news with you all.
In addition to RC Racer not being suitable for under 1m20's or people with heart problems etc. Those of us that are big better watch out too. Apparently the harnesses are less forgiving to bigger people than Crush Coaster. Whereas Disney coasters used to be able to fit larger guests with ease, Paris once again have built an attraction that tall or stout (or in my case both) may struggle with fitting. Be sure to talk to a cast member if you are large before getting in the queue.
I will be going in 12 days, but as I have already done a walk around and my comments have not been well received, I doubt I will share my experiences (unless I report the views of my wife, kids and friends we are going with).
Quote from: "ed-uk"It's funny how Disney theme park fans are happy to take a canal boat trip round a fairy brook, or go on a boat trip round the world of dancing dolls in Fantasyland. But the thought of going on a half pipe coaster if they think the car(which has to seat 20 people) doesn't fit on the track, oh no.
Again Ed-uk, you aren´t able to discuss, you just disparage other peoples opinions.
Poor behavior!
I've never said you can't discuss. Read my post. I'm just making a point of my own. It's my own observation.
Dont get me wrong, constructive critisism is greatly welcomed by me, after all it wouldnt be a discussion if it wasnt. However... Its not a discussion if we are not open to other peoples views. Its a problem that has been going on in this thread ever since I came back and one that certain memebers have been warned about. Time and time again I and other have said we respect others views to those who do not like it. What is upsetting people is the attitude that is given by a member who everyone knows doesnt like TSPL and whos posts are constantly sarastic and agressive (though looking back I can see some of these posts have been edited)
Its one of the reasons I left the forum in the first place (secondly because life got busy and sorry, but real life and my family is more important than a squabble over an addition to a theme park.) There are people on here whos views I value, such as davewasbaloo. There are also those that I find are nothing but sarcastic and downbeating to members. I can see why some people dont like it, as I've said time and time again, I am going to be excited for my trip and wait until I've seen it with my own eyes before I make judgement. However every time I log on I see a comment in this thread (or any thread actually) about how a certain member hates TSPL it shows an inconsideration for others points of view... People are saying that peoples head are so stuck up with being 'disney fans' that they are wrong... In the same way some people can be so totally negative and also be wrong.
At the end of the day, whether we like TSPL or not, neither of us are right or wrong. Some people will love it, some will hate it. You have to remember that some people on the magic forum arent die hard Disney fans, they dont need to be called names because they love something. THAT is what makes me angry, people should be allowed to be excited for TSPL without being constantly told they are wrong.
*throws mickey confetti in an Attempt to get this thread back on track*
None of us on the forum are involved in the design or planing phase of a new land in a Disney theme park. I sometimes feel it's easy to tear the imagineers work down when it's built. Indeed some had written TSPL of from the get go, with out even seeing it or trying it. It's true people don't have to like it. And that has been made clear. I don't like RochnRoller Coaster. The point I was making is that the Toy Story films are Fantasy. And TSPL is themed to that. It's Fantasy, it's not ment to look like a real boys garden. I think some people have made the piont they should look like real toys. My piont stands about the dancing dolls and the canal boats. And I don't thing that is being rude.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I have refrained from commenting for a while as negative views of Disney do not seem to be allowed formally or informally. But I thought I should share some more new news with you all.
In addition to RC Racer not being suitable for under 1m20's or people with heart problems etc. Those of us that are big better watch out too. Apparently the harnesses are less forgiving to bigger people than Crush Coaster. Whereas Disney coasters used to be able to fit larger guests with ease, Paris once again have built an attraction that tall or stout (or in my case both) may struggle with fitting. Be sure to talk to a cast member if you are large before getting in the queue.
I will be going in 12 days, but as I have already done a walk around and my comments have not been well received, I doubt I will share my experiences (unless I report the views of my wife, kids and friends we are going with).
I'm by no way an expert but I remember reading somewhere else about restraints on a different ride that they have to be able to accommodate the widest spread of guests, including people that are smaller, so they tend to have tighter restraints, unfortunately excluding larger people. Being tall I know how much of a pain it is to fit into some rides comfortably.
Anyway, the thing with an RC Car on a Hot Wheels track is because "children mix their toys", the official WDI line on it. But considering American parks are being sued by BMW for using roller-coaster cars that look like Mini Coopers I think using a car Disney own the rights to was a good decision, just maybe not themeing wise. Also, consider how many licensing agreements Disney have entered into to create this land with Hasbro, Mattel, etc.
The less rights that Disney have to pay for the better in my opinion... And has been said we have no idea how things go on back stage. For all we know DLP bought the three rides and said to the WDI here do something with it... Blaming WDI for everything TSPL related isnt right, I am sure theres a lot of other parties that had input to the area and the rides. Its easy for us to sit here and say we could do a better job, however we dont know the restraints they had to work under.
OK - this will be my last post at this forum.
Its a waste of time, to write down your opinion and always get treated.
I remember the old times, when we had fun to discuss the pro and cons. Many of the "old gang" here have gone.
And I miss the good times I had here.
As much as I like Kristof and his fantastic work here... This forum has become too rude.
And as long as people don´t accept any negative word about their holy Disney Cow, it won´t become better.
Disney can make mistakes like everyone else. And its the function of the fans the critisize them - who else should do? As long as nobody says a word of criticism - Disney has no reason to change something.
I´m a huge Disney-Fan. But discussing here isn´t possible anymore.
I don´t know how many posts here a really part of disneys pr department. (Some here know who I mean)
But for me the point has come to stop this: "Fans-are-fight-against-each-other-thing"
This is poor and ignorant.
And the pro-Disney guys here do the same, what they accuse to the TSPL-Disliker.
Its tiring.
Wish you all the best!!!
Quote from: "MagicStar"OK - this will be my last post at this forum.
Its a waste of time, to write down your opinion and always get treated.
I remember the old times, when we had fun to discuss the pro and cons. Many of the "old gang" here have gone.
And I miss the good times I had here.
As much as I like Kristof and his fantastic work here... This forum has become too rude.
And as long as people don´t accept any negative word about their holy Disney Cow, it won´t become better.
Disney can make mistakes like everyone else. And its the function of the fans the critisize them - who else should do? As long as nobody says a word of criticism - Disney has no reason to change something.
I´m a huge Disney-Fan. But discussing here isn´t possible anymore.
I don´t know how many posts here a really part of disneys pr department. (Some here know who I mean)
But for me the point has come to stop this: "Fans-are-fight-against-each-other-thing"
This is poor and ignorant.
And the pro-Disney guys here do the same, what they accuse to the TSPL-Disliker.
Its tiring.
Wish you all the best!!!
I appreciate you will not read this as your post states, however this is my 2 pennies worth.
I am one of those looking forward to visiting this new land, I go in November and relish anything new. I have no issue however with people expressing their dislike for the look of the land, the rides etc etc. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Their own likes and dislikes. I respect constructive criticism and detailed opinion based on what people have seen.
HOWEVER - what I do not appreciate about some of the people who do not like the land is the way that any persons who have shown any positive response to the addition, or anyone looking forward to the thought of taking their children there, have been shot down. Told on various occasions that they are "happy clappy" or that they do not appreciate true Disney Magic.
I cry every time I first step into Main Street and see the Castle. That is the magic working for me, the 6 year old in side is still going strong. TSPL may not bring me to tears in the same way - but that 6 year old is very excited about going on the Parachute Drop.
Whilst I am not part of the "old gang" (I have only just had the disposable income to save for these trips) I feel my opinions as just as valid. Discussion is very possible here - there are a number of forum members who have made constructive, if negative, posts which have been interesting and useful.
To get a bit further back to the topic - whilst TSPL may not be as "magical", I think it works well in WDS. It brings colour, themeing and more, much needed rides. If it had been placed in Disney Park itself I may have had a different opinion but I think that the planners have chosen the right area for it. With the Rat Ride being opened soon, maybe turning that side of the park into a Pixar theme is not a bad idea. It is the direction Disney is going in and more more future driven. Personally I would love a Up themed ride, but as my favourite Pixar film I appreciate I am bias.
Quote from: "Clara2141"HOWEVER - what I do not appreciate about some of the people who do not like the land is the way that any persons who have shown any positive response to the addition, or anyone looking forward to the thought of taking their children there, have been shot down. Told on various occasions that they are "happy clappy" or that they do not appreciate true Disney Magic.
I cry every time I first step into Main Street and see the Castle. That is the magic working for me, the 6 year old in side is still going strong. TSPL may not bring me to tears in the same way - but that 6 year old is very excited about going on the Parachute Drop.
=D> well said! Thats what I've been try to say without much luck, you have a better way with words then me.
I see nothing wrong with a pixar section in the studios either, especially since Pixar play such a huge part now. Out of 3 of my Nephews favourite all time characters 2 are Pixar (Buzz and Lightning Mcqueen.) I know a lot of children love and are growing up with Pixar. Pixar for them is what films like Aladdin and the Little Mermaid were like for me.
Quote from: "alka1"I wish WDS would have gotten DCA's Midway Mania clone and not DHS. You get the toy theme, but it's indoors and interactive fun for the whole family. Because all these rides are outdoors at TSPL, I wonder how the weather will affect operations. With poor weather in the winter, does that mean the entire land will shut down?
Same as Fantasyland, I suppose. But the thing is, as we know, Midway Mania would have eaten away so much of Euro Disney's budget for this addition that there would not have been a nice juicy budget left for the packaging.
Someone once likened the Studios to a place filled with nice Disney attractions still in their boxes, waiting to be put in a Disney park. So it would have been another crate... And we'd all be looking jealously to the other, better packaged versions of the ride.
QuoteThe only other thing that bothers me is the huge size of RC and Parachute Drop. They kind of destroy the illusion of keeping everything the size of a toy. At Flik's Fun Fair, the land is kept within a "canopy" and it everything is kind of tucked away to preserve the illusion that the guest is a size of a bug.
That I agree with. I suppose thrills need to be a certain size just to pick up the requisite speed, but I'm not sure why they thought they needed two of them anyway; the park had plenty on offer for the teenage boy demographic without them. Why not two round-and-round-type rides and one really cheap dark ride? (A partially covered version of Heimlich's Chew Chew Train doesn't sound like it would have rivaled Space Mountain's invoice.)
But the vegetation of Flik's Fun Fair has had six years to grow, of course. Did you know bamboo is the fastest growing plant on earth? So good news.
OMG what's happening here. Many members are leaving.
Quote from: "MagicStar"OK - this will be my last post at this forum.
Its a waste of time, to write down your opinion and always get treated.
I remember the old times, when we had fun to discuss the pro and cons. Many of the "old gang" here have gone.
And I miss the good times I had here.
As much as I like Kristof and his fantastic work here... This forum has become too rude.
And as long as people don´t accept any negative word about their holy Disney Cow, it won´t become better.
Disney can make mistakes like everyone else. And its the function of the fans the critisize them - who else should do? As long as nobody says a word of criticism - Disney has no reason to change something.
I´m a huge Disney-Fan. But discussing here isn´t possible anymore.
I don´t know how many posts here a really part of disneys pr department. (Some here know who I mean)
But for me the point has come to stop this: "Fans-are-fight-against-each-other-thing"
This is poor and ignorant.
And the pro-Disney guys here do the same, what they accuse to the TSPL-Disliker.
Its tiring.
Wish you all the best!!!
Quote from: "Pizzaplanet"In the last days I have read through the whole thread and to me it seems that on this forum it is not really tolerated to say something against Disney. Many people here like TSPL and many people don't like it. In my opinion the people that don't like TSPL didn't insult anyone. And if people can't stand with critics, I'm very sorry for them. Although I think that the theming of the land is great, I still don't like TSPL very much. For me it is a waste of money that could be better used.
We pay premium prices at Disney and what we get for the money, especially in Paris, isn't really what I expect. I know Disney has financial issues and so they can't spend a lot. Another reason why I think TSPL is a waste of money.
Maybe there are people who are happy with Disney's standards of today, but I'm not. WDI did great jobs in recent years, but they made more mistakes and people are tolerating these mistakes. I'm sure the great days of Disney themeparks are gone. Why should Disney build wonderful attractions when people are happy with carnival rides.
I'm leaving this forum now, because I don't feel very comfortable here, since paople don't even tolerate constructive critics here.
Tomorrow we are going to Disneyland Paris and I'm sure my kids will like it.
Have a magical day!!
Well said! You will not read it anymore, but I'm joining you! At least until things have calmed down. I'm also tired to be treated like that and that discussions aren't possible anymore.
Wish you all the best!
Quote from: "pussinboots"Same as Fantasyland, I suppose. But the thing is, as we know, Midway Mania would have eaten away so much of Euro Disney's budget for this addition that there would not have been a nice juicy budget left for the packaging.
Although I dont know the accuracy of these figures TSMM cost roughly 80 million USD and TSPL 70 Million Euro. If converted to pounds that makes TSMM £5,963,954.48 cheaper than TSPL. However having said that, for 5 million less we would have only one new ride rather than 3. And also I agree that if we had TSMM it would have just been another 'studio' box added to the mix. The studios needed and immersive area and although not everyone likes it I think TSPL does the job. :? swings and roundabouts
For Walt's sake please stop this madness... This post will not be about pros or cons about TSPL as it should be - we all need to do something to stop people from leaving.
Everybody has a right to share their view on this addition. Look in the top it says: MagicForum - discuss the magic! And when you discuss you are able to be happy but you are certainly also allowed to critizise - after all this is what discussion is about.
Some of the people who are against TSPL has been rude sometimes and that is not okay. BUT how have those people's negative opinions been received? By telling them, that we know what that they just hate it and there is not way to keep telling it. Well, isn't that being just as rude as the other way around? When a new construction update has arrived the regular negative people have posted their negative posts, but the regular happy people have also posted their positive thoughts. You know what, I know how you feel too, so why is it that e.g. TTT isn't allowed to post his negative posts after an update when you (the positive people) are allowed to post your positive thoughts?? I fail to understand this...
This is a place for everyone as is the park - so please stop the double standards and do not leave this place because of this discussion. That is all I ask of you! [-o<
Quote from: "MagicStar"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Talk about getting the most important element for the theme of this ride all wrong! I know that it is a RC racer... but what is it doing on that track then?
Thats the point I asked myself from the early beginning. This car doesn´t fit on a hot wheels track!
And the question is: Didn´t they care about that? Or didn´t they find a better solution?
Please correct me if Im wrong but isnt there a scene in Toy Story 1 where Buzz rides down a Hot Wheels track not actually on RC but still a Hot Wheels track and lets be honest if they had built this and put on any old car we would have said why not RC. Hot Wheels track and RC, both toys of Andy bought together to make one ride.
Quote from: "forza_united"For Walt's sake please stop this madness... This post will not be about pros or cons about TSPL as it should be - we all need to do something to stop people from leaving.
Everybody has a right to share their view on this addition. Look in the top it says: MagicForum - discuss the magic! And when you discuss you are able to be happy but you are certainly also allowed to critizise - after all this is what discussion is about.
Some of the people who are against TSPL has been rude sometimes and that is not okay. BUT how have those people's negative opinions been received? By telling them, that we know what that they just hate it and there is not way to keep telling it. Well, isn't that being just as rude as the other way around? When a new construction update has arrived the regular negative people have posted their negative posts, but the regular happy people have also posted their positive thoughts. You know what, I know how you feel too, so why is it that e.g. TTT isn't allowed to post his negative posts after an update when you (the positive people) are allowed to post your positive thoughts?? I fail to understand this...
This is a place for everyone as is the park - so please stop the double standards and do not leave this place because of this discussion. That is all I ask of you! [-o<
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Well said, people dont join a forum like this unless they are a fan of some description and I think we all want discussion however I dont need to be called happy clappy because I am looking forward to TSPL. Its the attitude behind the comments that hurts. Some such as yourself forza united and davewasbaloo have presented a reasonable arguement as to why you dont like it and I believe we would all respect that view however I will never respect someone who just posts TSPL is crap. Unfortunately you have caught the backlash. No one should leave this forum because of their point of view but before you post think if it will offend or upset.
Quote from: "RockNRoller"Quote from: "forza_united"For Walt's sake please stop this madness... This post will not be about pros or cons about TSPL as it should be - we all need to do something to stop people from leaving.
Everybody has a right to share their view on this addition. Look in the top it says: MagicForum - discuss the magic! And when you discuss you are able to be happy but you are certainly also allowed to critizise - after all this is what discussion is about.
Some of the people who are against TSPL has been rude sometimes and that is not okay. BUT how have those people's negative opinions been received? By telling them, that we know what that they just hate it and there is not way to keep telling it. Well, isn't that being just as rude as the other way around? When a new construction update has arrived the regular negative people have posted their negative posts, but the regular happy people have also posted their positive thoughts. You know what, I know how you feel too, so why is it that e.g. TTT isn't allowed to post his negative posts after an update when you (the positive people) are allowed to post your positive thoughts?? I fail to understand this...
This is a place for everyone as is the park - so please stop the double standards and do not leave this place because of this discussion. That is all I ask of you! [-o<
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Well said, people dont join a forum like this unless they are a fan of some description and I think we all want discussion however I dont need to be called happy clappy because I am looking forward to TSPL. Its the attitude behind the comments that hurts. Some such as yourself forza united and davewasbaloo have presented a reasonable arguement as to why you dont like it and I believe we would all respect that view however I will never respect someone who just posts TSPL is crap. Unfortunately you have caught the backlash. No one should leave this forum because of their point of view but before you post think if it will offend or upset.
I don't like that attitude either...
I could find similar posts that tells me TSPL is very, very good without arguementation. This is the nail of which I am trying to hit the head - we need to see that some from both "camps" are making postulations that could irritate someone from the other camp. I hereby recommend everyone to follow up a TSPL opinion with argumentation. By doing this we will be able to get a real discussion and not just a "my-dad-is-bigger-than-your-dad"-discussion. This is not pointed at anyone in particular - more a general thing myself included.
Quote from: "forza_united"Quote from: "RockNRoller"Quote from: "forza_united"For Walt's sake please stop this madness... This post will not be about pros or cons about TSPL as it should be - we all need to do something to stop people from leaving.
Everybody has a right to share their view on this addition. Look in the top it says: MagicForum - discuss the magic! And when you discuss you are able to be happy but you are certainly also allowed to critizise - after all this is what discussion is about.
Some of the people who are against TSPL has been rude sometimes and that is not okay. BUT how have those people's negative opinions been received? By telling them, that we know what that they just hate it and there is not way to keep telling it. Well, isn't that being just as rude as the other way around? When a new construction update has arrived the regular negative people have posted their negative posts, but the regular happy people have also posted their positive thoughts. You know what, I know how you feel too, so why is it that e.g. TTT isn't allowed to post his negative posts after an update when you (the positive people) are allowed to post your positive thoughts?? I fail to understand this...
This is a place for everyone as is the park - so please stop the double standards and do not leave this place because of this discussion. That is all I ask of you! [-o<
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Well said, people dont join a forum like this unless they are a fan of some description and I think we all want discussion however I dont need to be called happy clappy because I am looking forward to TSPL. Its the attitude behind the comments that hurts. Some such as yourself forza united and davewasbaloo have presented a reasonable arguement as to why you dont like it and I believe we would all respect that view however I will never respect someone who just posts TSPL is crap. Unfortunately you have caught the backlash. No one should leave this forum because of their point of view but before you post think if it will offend or upset.
I don't like that attitude either...
I could find similar posts that tells me TSPL is very, very good without arguementation. This is the nail of which I am trying to hit the head - we need to see that some from both "camps" are making postulations that could irritate someone from the other camp. I hereby recommend everyone to follow up a TSPL opinion with argumentation. By doing this we will be able to get a real discussion and not just a "my-dad-is-bigger-than-your-dad"-discussion. This is not pointed at anyone in particular - more a general thing myself included.
OMG Im agreeing with someone who doesn't like TSPL, I feel quite strange :lol:
Seriously you have hit the nail on the head, posting its crap doesn't help and people will get defensive. Post its crap because...... (explanation) is a discussion and thats what this forum is about.
There's a huge photo update over on Theme Park Review (link (//http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=56446&p=929199#p929199)), it shows the area off well, there's some parts which look nice, and others which look poor.
What I've kinda come to realise is that the area needs to settle and the planting be more 'overgrown and wild' to fit the garden theme. With the neat topiaries and lovely little patches of shrubbery, it looks more like an expansion of a SeaWorld park - compare this to one of the Sesame Street areas and you'll see visual similarities.
I think what this area has done is cleverly brought both a new kids area (visually/thematically) to the park, and yet provided another 'mid-thrill' attraction for the teens/adults in the family. I just think that it needs time to settle with the planting and let them tweak it as they learn how it works operationally.
This is a stepping stone between Tower and Ratatouille, and at the end of the day it's nice to see the greenery and less tarmac heavy area breaking up the park.
Is it a perfect area? No. Is it truely Disney? No. (But it's not as bad as Chester and Hesters Dinorama! Nothing is that bad.). Is it somewhere which will be enjoyed by the families? Most likely.
It's not up to the standards we expect of the parks, but it'll please the guests, and with guests comes revenue, and with revenue comes better investments in the future - Ratatouille, hopefully Soarin' and that theatre district plan. Who knows, it might even get some actual buildings for Hollywood Bvd to clad the views created by Parachutes!
So, my final thoughts are: it's a nice area, very different to what else we have at Studios, and it's something which I think over time will get a little better, and hey, it's in now, no changing it, lets live with it until Ratatouille goes up, and then get excited by that. Maybe in the master plan for the park the area is there as a filler to help to soak up the queues they're planning for Ratatouille?
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I will be going in 12 days, but as I have already done a walk around and my comments have not been well received, I doubt I will share my experiences (unless I report the views of my wife, kids and friends we are going with).
You have to comment Dave (can I call you Dave) this forum would be missing something good if you didn't. If those who disagree with you cant accept your opinion tough. Ive gone back over this thread many times and there are as many good arguements for as against but it has degenerated into chaos far too often. People have different standards/understandings/beliefs/experiences of Disney which is part of the problem but also the reason why this forum works. There are many happy threads in this forum and i dont see why TSPL has generated such a force of ill feeling. People are different and we all need to respect that, me included, if we were all the same this forum would be a worse place for it.
Quote from: "Scissorsboi"But it's not as bad as Chester and Hesters Dinorama! Nothing is that bad.
I full heartedly agree there -_- I think that was the only part of Animal Kingdom I truely hated with a passion... Of course it wasnt helped by the fact that I queued 40 minutes for the ride there and there were only 20 people infront of me in the queue!
I've been looking at some peoples photos on Flickr of the preview opening and some of the photos are looking truely amazing. Some not so. As Scissorsboi said I think it needs time to grow before we can truely judge it. I'm looking forward to letting my own camera loose on it to be honest. :thumbs:
Here is a trip report from Toy Story Playland, including a look into the Barrel of Monkeys Shop aswell as generic land/ride photos: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewto ... 99#p929199 (http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=56446&p=929199#p929199%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Thanks Whip, Davewasbaloo, now the place is pretty much fully open, can you shed any more light on the area from your walk-through too. It would be interesting to get a counter view from the fairly positive trip report above.
Nice to see you back btw Whip
I think the forum would be missing a big part of it, if dave stopped commenting, he has been a driving force of the forum, and all his helpfull tips and answers on the forum have helped many make the most of the resort. His valuable insight into what Disney was and what it could be again, is invaluable. He is an adoring fan of Disney parks especialy our own disneyland paris, but he has seen, what many of us have seen including me and many who choose to deny, is the steady decline in the Disney standards, in many many areas . The are the king of imagination and of creating dreams, but now its been ripped to the basics, cuts cuts, even when they get ti right they change it or cut it, or cancell. Even disney parks worldwide are getting it wrong, managment only care about one thing nowadays and that is money money, were walt beleived in the magic and dreams, and made money on the values of Disney. So if Dave were not to comment i would personally really miss his reports on his and our beloved park
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"Although I dont know the accuracy of these figures TSMM cost roughly 80 million USD and TSPL 70 Million Euro. If converted to pounds that makes TSMM £5,963,954.48 cheaper than TSPL. However having said that, for 5 million less we would have only one new ride rather than 3. And also I agree that if we had TSMM it would have just been another 'studio' box added to the mix. The studios needed and immersive area and although not everyone likes it I think TSPL does the job. :? swings and roundabouts
Yes... Besides, the Tower of Terror appears to have cost a significant amount more than its identical US counterpart. So we don't really know what it would have cost to build Midway Mania in Paris. Perhaps about €70 million... I wonder if any plans have been drawn up for it.
Here's that video:
[youtube:jwnhmw23]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwTGwwCi82c[/youtube:jwnhmw23]
I'm starting to repeat myself into oblivion, but I really, really like the music. It's somewhere in between Alice's Curious Labyrinth and Discoveryland, wouldn't you say? And coming from those Tinkertoy installations rather than the usual planter speakers, the sound quality must be excellent, too.
And if you want a less euphoric review, there are some fairly balanced ones over at Disney Central Plaza, notably the one by Mr. Freddy:
http://disneycentralplaza.englishboard. ... 02-580.htm (http://disneycentralplaza.englishboard.net/disneyland-paris-f6/toy-story-playland-au-parc-walt-disney-studios-17-aout-2010-t15202-580.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Quote from: "RockNRoller"Quote from: "MagicStar"Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"Talk about getting the most important element for the theme of this ride all wrong! I know that it is a RC racer... but what is it doing on that track then?
Thats the point I asked myself from the early beginning. This car doesn´t fit on a hot wheels track!
And the question is: Didn´t they care about that? Or didn´t they find a better solution?
Please correct me if Im wrong but isnt there a scene in Toy Story 1 where Buzz rides down a Hot Wheels track not actually on RC but still a Hot Wheels track and lets be honest if they had built this and put on any old car we would have said why not RC. Hot Wheels track and RC, both toys of Andy bought together to make one ride.
Hot Wheels are Hot Wheels... Rc cars are RC cars... sure it is possible to mix. A child can put a boat on a railway track.
I don´t think they used their imagination enough when they sat down one night had a beer and designed this land.
Quote from: "Clara2141"I am one of those looking forward to visiting this new land, I go in November and relish anything new. I have no issue however with people expressing their dislike for the look of the land, the rides etc etc. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Their own likes and dislikes. I respect constructive criticism and detailed opinion based on what people have seen.
HOWEVER - what I do not appreciate about some of the people who do not like the land is the way that any persons who have shown any positive response to the addition, or anyone looking forward to the thought of taking their children there, have been shot down. Told on various occasions that they are "happy clappy" or that they do not appreciate true Disney Magic.
Quote from: "forza_united"I could find similar posts that tells me TSPL is very, very good without arguementation. This is the nail of which I am trying to hit the head - we need to see that some from both "camps" are making postulations that could irritate someone from the other camp. I hereby recommend everyone to follow up a TSPL opinion with argumentation. By doing this we will be able to get a real discussion and not just a "my-dad-is-bigger-than-your-dad"-discussion. This is not pointed at anyone in particular - more a general thing myself included.
These two quotes sum up my views on what's happening in this thread.
For the past 4 years I've been posting on internet forums (mightn't seem long but I'm 16, so I started at 12) and I think it's safe to say I've nearly saw it all in terms of 'debates' that got out of hand. Worst case scenario I've witness was members banned, more leaving for good and a number of topics deleted. Believe me it wasn't pretty, and the aftermath of it has left a hostile reception on the forum. Do you want this to happen to here? I still see this as the friendliest forum on the web. A lot has changed on this forum from the day I joined, the boards grew bigger, members have came and went and regulars found themselves a home, but if we keep going the way we are this won't be a home for anyone, and the Magic Forum will just be another forum on the internet and not the friendly place I once knew. I don't want this to happen, and I'm sure you'll agree.
Oh, and TimmyTimmyTimmy, on the topic of "A RC car wouldn't fit on a Hot Wheels track", what about this one? There's a plausible answer to this riddle.
(//http://www.tinytoycollectibles.com/items/1958.JPG)
Thanks everyone. My walkthrough pretty much showed me what you have seen, and I may ride some of these attractions in a few days time. As far as the area is concerned, I do recognise the greenery is welcome, and indeed there is a lot of attention to detail. My real issues are the capacity and weather problems, as well as the nature of the attractions not being inclusive. Also add in that if it were themed to another theme, it could really be in any other theme park around the globe.
It will be popular, and yes it is better than that mess that is Chester and Hester's, but is this the sort of stuff you would want to travel to see? Not everything needs to be an e-ticket or indeed I am happy for us to go a few years between attractions.
It will be interesting to see what my kids have to say.
I can't see the problem with the RC height limit myself. It's clearly a thrill ride and the park needs those as much as it needs kiddie rides. I'm sure that's as low as they could safely have it. If the height limit is 1.2m then your average 7 or 8 year old should be able to get on it which sounds fine to me. It's not like Disney doesn't have an abundance of rides that suit the little uns.
On one level Claire, that may seem fine. But call me old fashioned, I am the school of thought that all Disney attractions should be suitable for the whole family to ride. That is why Walt built Disneyland in the first place.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Quote from: "Clara2141"I am one of those looking forward to visiting this new land, I go in November and relish anything new. I have no issue however with people expressing their dislike for the look of the land, the rides etc etc. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Their own likes and dislikes. I respect constructive criticism and detailed opinion based on what people have seen.
HOWEVER - what I do not appreciate about some of the people who do not like the land is the way that any persons who have shown any positive response to the addition, or anyone looking forward to the thought of taking their children there, have been shot down. Told on various occasions that they are "happy clappy" or that they do not appreciate true Disney Magic.
Quote from: "forza_united"I could find similar posts that tells me TSPL is very, very good without arguementation. This is the nail of which I am trying to hit the head - we need to see that some from both "camps" are making postulations that could irritate someone from the other camp. I hereby recommend everyone to follow up a TSPL opinion with argumentation. By doing this we will be able to get a real discussion and not just a "my-dad-is-bigger-than-your-dad"-discussion. This is not pointed at anyone in particular - more a general thing myself included.
These two quotes sum up my views on what's happening in this thread.
For the past 4 years I've been posting on internet forums (mightn't seem long but I'm 16, so I started at 12) and I think it's safe to say I've nearly saw it all in terms of 'debates' that got out of hand. Worst case scenario I've witness was members banned, more leaving for good and a number of topics deleted. Believe me it wasn't pretty, and the aftermath of it has left a hostile reception on the forum. Do you want this to happen to here? I still see this as the friendliest forum on the web. A lot has changed on this forum from the day I joined, the boards grew bigger, members have came and went and regulars found themselves a home, but if we keep going the way we are this won't be a home for anyone, and the Magic Forum will just be another forum on the internet and not the friendly place I once knew. I don't want this to happen, and I'm sure you'll agree.
Oh, and TimmyTimmyTimmy, on the topic of "A RC car wouldn't fit on a Hot Wheels track", what about this one? There's a plausible answer to this riddle.
(//http://www.tinytoycollectibles.com/items/1958.JPG)
Well I cant say anything more than sometimes all it takes is a long shot. RC raser as a Hot Wheel... It doesn´t change anything but ok, RC racer is a Hot Wheel car.
If you start a forum and expect people to have the same view that´s fine. I can say I am sorry if I have put anybody down.
I have only been saying negative things about Disney. I have been repetetive and also the mosyt active in the TSPL forum. I have gotten alot of dirt for it.
People say that I don´t back up my views, but when I do I get dirt for not liking what everybody else does. I write long posts about what is bad and how it could have been done, people write "I love it" about TSPL and then some crap about how TTT is visible on google and how negative I am. If anybody leaves your forum because of my view or anybody elses that is their problem not, mine. This is a forum not North Korea!
Nobody has had as many negative comments posted on the TSPL forum as I, and they have almost always been cheap shots. Petit Sirene, Ed Uk, Dopey Dad and some others stand for the very lowest when it comes to a discussion. They answer back at the person who has written things and not about the things that have been written. TTT is being mentioned all the time. I understand why... but there has to be a limit on how much crap one person should take on a forum like this? If no limit then why am I constantly warned over and over when all I do is to post my view on a themepark?
Festival Disney... can we see your face? You posted a picture of "irony".... Petit Sirene enjoyed it, can I see your face? Can I post it where ever I want and get personal with you? I doubt you would like that? I was here to talk about Disney and not to try to defend myself from lazy minded idiots.
Kick me out, delete me or what ever. I am not going to post anything here again. This have been the worst internet experience in my life. To the ones that commented about ME.... you all belong in Toy Story Playland together!
Bye tragic forum!
I really think you should not leave the forum, this is a public forum were all views are welcome, your saying what you think, and your not anti disney ,just like many people, you have misgivings about toy story play land, i think your views should be welcomed, and if some people take offence because they have different views,thats really down to them. you have taken a lot of stick on this board which sould be unacceptable, just because you dont agree... you have taken a stand on something you think is right..
If you'd care to give an example TTT I'd happily defend myself from your accusation of being the lowest form of discussion.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"If you'd care to give an example TTT I'd happily defend myself from your accusation of being the lowest form of discussion.
Go back and find the examples your self!
I have none
Guys please, would you fight if you were at a Disney park? The atmosphere in this topic right now is so childish and un-Disney, constant bickering. Just draw a line in the personal arguements and forget them.
Talk about TSPL, it's just about to open and instead of getting the exciting build up it deserves it's getting flooded by arguements. I wrote a big constructive post about the area above, and the arguements about how you wanted constructive views on the area around it meant that it went un-noticed.
I know I'll visit the area when it's open, and I know I'll enjoy it. It doesn't mean that it has to be the best or worst thing ever. Suspend your disbelief, go with the storyline Imagineering came up with and try to enjoy what parts of it you can.
I can't very well let statements like that go unchallenged, much as I'd rather be talking about TSPL.
And I really liked points in your last post about TSPL Scissorsboi, it made a lot of sense to me.
Quote from: "seanmartina"I really think you should not leave the forum, this is a public forum were all views are welcome, your saying what you think, and your not anti disney ,just like many people, you have misgivings about toy story play land, i think your views should be welcomed, and if some people take offence because they have different views,thats really down to them. you have taken a lot of stick on this board which sould be unacceptable, just because you dont agree... you have taken a stand on something you think is right..
Sadly, some of us have been asked not to do so. It is difficult as there is a lot of value in this forum in the main.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "seanmartina"I really think you should not leave the forum, this is a public forum were all views are welcome, your saying what you think, and your not anti disney ,just like many people, you have misgivings about toy story play land, i think your views should be welcomed, and if some people take offence because they have different views,thats really down to them. you have taken a lot of stick on this board which sould be unacceptable, just because you dont agree... you have taken a stand on something you think is right..
Sadly, some of us have been asked not to do so. It is difficult as there is a lot of value in this forum in the main.
I really dont think anyone should be asking anyone, not to not write an opinion... thats like saying if its not good news we dont want to know... dont post here.... this is after all the magic forum... discuss the magic! and the not so magic.... or should we dictate to all the postive posters on what to write as well.. maybe some rose tinted glasses would be nice..
We should be able to value each others opinions, I fall quite happily into the happy clappy camp-but I value what others have to say and have read through what has been said(Although I am beginning to skip posts of repetitive arguments). Nobody is going to like everything-what a boring bunch we'd be if we did.
I will say if there are certain areas in TSPL I dont particularly like and why (I am concerned the cement made to look like mud round RC looks like it will crumble and we will have some unsightly fencing put up round him in no time. And as Davewasbaloo has pointeed out-height restrictions on rides-although this wont effect my family as we're all tall enough-or dont fancy riding RC) But I will say that in the majority I love the look of the area as its another area to visit with my family and we all love Toy Story. Its brought greenery into WDS and its bright and colourful (And I can see that as a pro from the happy clappy camp where I stand and as a gory unsuitable con on the flip side)
ButIf I feel that comments are derogatory then I also think I have the right to say I find it so-so that discussions can move on. Low pops from either side, liking it or hating it are cheap and lead us down this road again. C'mon guys wheres the Disney spirit?-and before anyone says its not in TSPL -thats a cheap shot. :P
Quote from: "TimmyTimmyTimmy"You posted a picture of "irony".... Petit Sirene enjoyed it, can I see your face? Can I post it where ever I want and get personal with you? I doubt you would like that?
Actrually it was posted in light humour, then again as I then pointed out to someone I was guessing humour would be lost on this thread in particular. As for seeing my face? If you looked hard enough you could find it. Have I been singled out and had abuse thrown at me on the net? Sure, it happens to everyone, YES its even happened on this forum and was one of the reasons I stopped posting. The reason? Because I posted how I was being optimistic and looking forward to TSPL and apparently I was wrong to think that. This is why it annoys me that people are allowed to sit here shoot down every 'happy clappy' person who looks forward to this place. I have constantly posted that I am waiting to judge for myself but am looking forward to it, and yet I'm constantly shot down as a happy clappy 'doesnt know a thing about Disney' person.
I am open to other peoples view, as I have said I value davewasbaloo and Forza's critisism, and why? Because they have a valueable arguement. They have fors and agasints for the lands instead of 'TSPL is Crap end of' NO not everyone like TSPL, not everyone has to, but people who do shouldnt be left feeling like they are worthless and know nothing about Disney just because they havent been to Tokyo DisneySea. Perhaps the reason people have targeted you TTT is because of the sarcastic comments you post, like calling Slinky Dog Stinky Dog and asking DopeyDad if he had any worth to his joke by asking if he had even been to any of the other resorts. You might actually get some respect if you stopped shooting anyone down who disagrees with you.
Thats all I have to say on the matter, this thread has made me angry beyond measure I to be honest I dont need it. I try to be nice and defend some people who have had nasty comments against them and been targetted but I'm done. So BACK ON TOPIC:
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"On one level Claire, that may seem fine. But call me old fashioned, I am the school of thought that all Disney attractions should be suitable for the whole family to ride. That is why Walt built Disneyland in the first place.
I think the problem here is although I agree Disney Parks should be for the whole family, europeans are known for their thrill seeking. Something that the realised very early on. I hold up my hands and admit I am a thrill seeker and rides like ToT are my ultimate fav. However I also value the family friendly rides such as IASW and PPF. I think DLP have the tough situation of needing to cater to the Disney brand but also catering for the thrills that a European expects from a theme park. A part of what Walt also said was that Disney should be a place where adults can find their inner child and theres nothing that brings out the child in me than running through the ToT queue line giggling like a little child. ;)
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"It will be popular, and yes it is better than that mess that is Chester and Hester's, but is this the sort of stuff you would want to travel to see? Not everything needs to be an e-ticket or indeed I am happy for us to go a few years between attractions.
I agree its not the kind of thing that would make me book to go see it. I happen to be going in September and so I will look forward to seeing this new addition. However I can imagine a lot of kids running up to mummy and daddy begging to go because of TSPL.
I seriously think we ALL need to take a step back and wait to see what happens. Theres no point shooting down the place before it gets off the ground. It might turn out to be an enormous mistake, at which point we hope they learn their mistake and take steps to make sure it doesnt happen again. Then again after some time once its settled we might realise that infact this was what WDS needed, and who knows what the Rat Ride will bring. None of us can see into the future (though that would be a pretty cool gift xD)
Just got back from 4 days of magic at Disneyland Paris. After reading all the posts i've missed the past few days, I just want to add this to the other discussion in this topic:
How many times do we have to post that we all RESPECT each others opinions, even if we not agree with them. The real problem is the attitute of some 'nay-sayers' that their opinion is SUPERIOR to the opinions of others. Why is that so hard to see? A forum is a place where we can all express our opinions, whether they are positive or negative but with RESPECT for each other. That respect is lacking, at least with a few members here.
I do not have a problem with nay-sayers, but I do have a problem when they think their opinion is the ONLY opinion possible and others are 'less' in thinking otherwise.
This thread started with the positive members complaining about the attitute of some negative members. Now, some negative members have magicaly turned this around and positioniting themselfs in the 'victim-role'. As if, they are attacted by the positive members. That's hillarious! It could be a script for a sit-com!
If members want to leave, then by all means do. If members want to stay, then by all means stay. As long as we RESPECT each other and not shooting comments down because they don't reflect our own.
Back ontopic (get ready for a positive review and finaly some Magic in this topic):
I've been to the avant-premiere for Dream passholders last saturday and I had a blast! I too had concers about the rides (especially capacity-wise) and those concerns are still there, but when I entered Toy Story Playland and heard the fantastic music loops, the colorfulness of the land, the theme, the look on the childrens faces and the que's, I felt quite happy about it (oh dear god, does this mean I'm now officialy part of the 'happy clappy' group?).
We did all the rides and started with the Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop. They realy need to add a giant parachute on top of the tower, but besides that, it's a great ride with lots of opportunities to make beautiful pictures of both parks and hotels. The que is great with lots of detailed theming and small references. The ride itself is very smooth and relaxing. We went up and down several times and waved to the visitors of the Studio Tram Tour. At the end we all clapped (all 'happy clappy' folks) and went through the exit with a smile.
Next stop was Slinky Dog Zig Zag Spin. Again, the que is great with the music loops and lots of greenery all around. Before we entered the vehicles, I thought this was for kids only. How wrong I was. This ride is lots of fun and towards the climax is getting realy fast! Everybody was laughing and cheering, kids and adults alike. Even lots of teens did this ride and based on their reaction afterwards, liked it more then they imagined. If the que is not too long, I will ride Slinky again in the future!
The final stop was at RC Racer. Seeing RC for the first time 'live' was a real treat. He looks briljant and although I do not like seeing bare steel track, the theming of the ride and que itself made it look good. The que is designed for a whopping 120 minute wait, but now we only waited 10 minutes (hooray for Dream special events!). Walking down the entire que takes some time, but is beautiful with all the greenery and details. We got a place in front of RC and I realy got nervous. The restrains are double safety with the usual coaster bars on your shoulders and an extra belt to keep it in place in case it fails (got forbid that would happen).
Once RC started to move, everybody was realy excited. It took him 2 runs to get to maximal speed and boy oh boy, what a thrill! The feeling in your stomache is way worse then in the Tower of Terror, but so much fun. RC takes you BEYOND the point when you are looking straigt down the track. SWEET! The screaming is realy adding to the fun and everybody was in a 'WOW'-mood afterwards. The Studios has got another thrill-ride!
After leaving RC Racer we strolled down the road in Toy Story Playland and realy sooking up the atmosphere. Rex's one-liners are funny and he is communicating with Slinky when he rides. The Barrel of Monkeys at the end holds a small giftshop and the other barrel leads towards the future Ratatouille area.
Summary: TSP adds lots of atmosphere, theming and great music loops to the Studios. The rides are better then expected. It may not be an E-Ticket but seeing all the happy faces in there realy confirms for me that this is a good choice for the Studios. Looking forward to seeing Toy Story Playland with the lights on in october!
Welcome to the happy clappy club Tuvok ;) hehe
Quote from: "Tuvok"Rex's one-liners are funny and he is communicating with Slinky when he rides.
Wow thats a really nice detail! :D I am really excited about trying these rides for myself when we go in 4 weeks. :D/
I am sure there is so much to the land that cant be explained in photos and its good to hear the kids really seemed to enjoy it! I guess we will have to see how it copes with floods of guests tomorrow...
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Thanks everyone. My walkthrough pretty much showed me what you have seen, and I may ride some of these attractions in a few days time. As far as the area is concerned, I do recognise the greenery is welcome, and indeed there is a lot of attention to detail. My real issues are the capacity and weather problems, as well as the nature of the attractions not being inclusive. Also add in that if it were themed to another theme, it could really be in any other theme park around the globe.
It will be popular, and yes it is better than that mess that is Chester and Hester's, but is this the sort of stuff you would want to travel to see? Not everything needs to be an e-ticket or indeed I am happy for us to go a few years between attractions.
It will be interesting to see what my kids have to say.
Oh look a balanced arguement, something worth respecting. I think we all know Dave doesnt like TSPL, hope Ive made it obvious I do but when someone posts like this I can see the comments have been thought through and you can have a discussion. From my point of view I agree with the greenery and the popularity and, even though I like TSPL, i also agree with the issues on capacity and weather. One thing I never have to consider is the rides being inclusive, I have no children and according to every clothes shop I go in I am Mr Average Size. Until you made your comments Dave I would never have considered that as a potential problem, still isnt for me but helps me see your side, thank you.
Quote from: "RockNRoller"Oh look a balanced arguement, something worth respecting. I think we all know Dave doesnt like TSPL, hope Ive made it obvious I do but when someone posts like this I can see the comments have been thought through and you can have a discussion. From my point of view I agree with the greenery and the popularity and, even though I like TSPL, i also agree with the issues on capacity and weather. One thing I never have to consider is the rides being inclusive, I have no children and according to every clothes shop I go in I am Mr Average Size. Until you made your comments Dave I would never have considered that as a potential problem, still isnt for me but helps me see your side, thank you.
I have to agree there - I'm a 24 year old female of average (if slightly on the shorter side) height and weight with no children so capacity, height restrictions, harness sizing and to some extent weather (I only have my girlfriend to think about) have little impact on me. As such I don't consider it when looking at the land. It is nice to "see" it through the eyes of parents of small and not so small children.
just looks awesome. looking forward to it this saterday :D!
Quote from: "Disneydavid"just looks awesome. looking forward to it this saterday :D!
Have fun!! ;)
Hey guys!
I know I said that I will not return here, but I had the whole day to think about the topic and now I know that I was overreacting. I'm very sorry what was happening here.
And let's bring this thread back on topic!
am glad you decided to come back as I said earlier...its a forum bit like marmite you either love it or hate it...but one thing we all have in common is we like disney.....roll on november till i get to walk around tspl and view it for real...
Ewwww Marmite!!!! ;) as I said in the other thread Welcome back Dagobert!
I too am looking forward to seeing this place for my own. I am sure there are loads of little details for us to discover on our own. I am looking forward to trying RC Racer (thrill junkie that I am lol) but I think its seeing the land in person thats the most exciting. Not sure on the Parachute drop, but will have to see.
After looking at all the pictures of the rides, scenes, structures and even the queues i think it looks fantastic. :D
You are all so lucky going to see toystory playland im not going again this year :P
Have fun everyone :D
Does anybody know yet what things they a selling in the barrel of monkeys shop in TSPL?
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"On one level Claire, that may seem fine. But call me old fashioned, I am the school of thought that all Disney attractions should be suitable for the whole family to ride. That is why Walt built Disneyland in the first place.
A nice idea perhaps but impractical imo and not good business sense. Thrill rides are an integral part of all theme parks these days and Disney would be at a disadvantage if they didn't include them.
Quote from: "disneyrules"Does anybody know yet what things they a selling in the barrel of monkeys shop in TSPL?
From the photos I have seen it looks rather toy based...
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You can see a Buzz toy at the front with those little plastic squeezy baby toys. The packages at the back also look toy like. I would imagine they would be selling mainly pins and Toy Story things.
Thank you i though it would be i could always be wrong :)
I am glad that there selling strictly toy story stuff there and not random stuff from other movies :D
Will make sure I have a good look when I got in 4 weeks and get a few photos ;)
Thanks :)
I will enjoy seeing them.
just seen this picture and you can see a Buzz Costume for sale ;)
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Thanks for posting i think i have seen these costumes in some other disney shops.
im personally looking forward to the parachute drop - the RC racer looks a little scary :?
From just looking at the rides i think my favourite ride is slinkys zig zag spin but that is just because slinky is one of my favourite toy story characters :)
I would love to go on all the rides though i wonder if they will add new rides after a few years-i hope so.
So I have been watching some videos uploaded on to YouTube of Toy Story Playland today. While I'm not a fan of most of what I've seen from the pictures posted. I do see some elements of the land I like. And have decided to comment on them.
The first thing has to be the background music. It seems like Disney has come up with a brand new score for the land. Also Toy Solidiers Parachute Jump and Slinky have seperate soundtracks. These little details really help create a themed envioment.
It appears from one of the videos I viewed Buzz, Woody and Jessie were out roaming the land. Hope Disney come up with a permanent schedule in future. Also be cool to see other Toy Story Characters out in future like Lotso.
The Slinky attraction seems to be the winner out of the three rides. Being the least intrusive and offering some charm and humour. Will likely check this ride out on my trip next month.
I really like the Buzz and Rex statues and happy to see a new gift shop. Even if it does seem to be selling Toys from the movie.
From tomorrow this land will offer the Studios some much needed ride capacity and will hopely free up space in line for the Tower of Terror, Rock N Roller Coaster and Crush. And in a way tomorrow marks a new day in the Studios history. As crowd patterns and Guests flow will be altered for ever.
I have one question does anyone know if any special Toy Story Playland merchandise will go on sale inside the park to celebrate the opening?
Like you think I wont be dragging your behind on RC Smurfy ;)
Quote from: "Malin"Also be cool to see other Toy Story Characters out in future like Lotso
Would be good if they do however I fear for Lotso, after seeing the film my 5 year old nephew announced he would like to give Lotso a kick for being so mean to Woody, and I think he meant it. :lol:
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Malin, did you say you saw characters within TSPL?
I think it would be cool to see some toy story 3 characters too.
They could make some new character costumes like dolly, barbie, ken and Mr pricklepants. I actually really liked all of the new characters so i dont really mind which characters are there :) Except for big baby it scared me :D but i did fell sorry for him in the end.
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Malin, did you say you saw characters within TSPL?
Yes, Woody, Buzz and Jessy were all there, but only for the avant-premiere for Dream passholders. There will be no meet&greets within Toy Story Playland after August 17.
I have seen a private photo of Buzz posing in the RC photo location. I still think its a shame there will be no meet and greets there :(
I've made 126 photos of Toy Story Playland during the Dream Avant-Premiere last saturday with all the details of the land itself, the rides and their que's and of the Barrels of Monkeys 'store' with all the merchandise. You can view them on my Windows Live Photos location: Click! (//http://cid-976c81e13b4d231a.skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?page=play&resid=976C81E13B4D231A!2445&Bpub=SDX.Photos&Bsrc=GetSharingLink)
Enjoy!
Great photos :thumbs: :)
QuoteMalin, did you say you saw characters within TSPL?
Thats correct at the start of this YouTube video by user filipv. Its a complete tour of Toy Story Playland.
Part 1
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Part 2
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QuoteYes, Woody, Buzz and Jessy were all there, but only for the avant-premiere for Dream passholders. There will be no meet&greets within Toy Story Playland after August 17.
I think thats a real shame. And I hope it will be re considered. From the videos that I have seen it appears a lot of people visiting the land tend to be more interested the the atsmophere and theming than the rides. You see a lot of people with camera's out just walking around enjoying the place and looking at the detail. Adding a few characters will really add to the enviroment thats been created and boost the enjoyment for the younger Guests who will be too short to ride RC Racer. It would also add Woody and Jessie to the area in some capacity. Another Character that could be added are the Green Army Men.
Quote from: "claire2281"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"On one level Claire, that may seem fine. But call me old fashioned, I am the school of thought that all Disney attractions should be suitable for the whole family to ride. That is why Walt built Disneyland in the first place.
A nice idea perhaps but impractical imo and not good business sense. Thrill rides are an integral part of all theme parks these days and Disney would be at a disadvantage if they didn't include them.
This is not new, in the 1920's coasters were all the rage in America, there were far more then than now. When Walt rolled out his plans for Disneyland they said it would go under without thrill rides. They were wrong. I appreciate where you may be coming from, but as someone who has spent my life going to Disney parks with babies, older relatives, people with disabilities etc, the one thing they were awesome at was building inclusive people eating attractions that virtually everyone could ride, that tell strong stories and take you to another place.
I will concede that this addition does have quite a cohesive story (even if not to my taste, I will give it that), but it is not inclusive and nor are they crowd eaters.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"It will be popular, and yes it is better than that mess that is Chester and Hester's
I'm going to do something very shocking now, and speak in favor of DinoRama... But I have to say I think the Imagineers created something witty and clever there as well that no one ever seems to pick up on. If you can manage to see past the two-bit carny rides (which are an unfortunate reality that I am not making excuses for), you'll see that the place is actually an excellent take on mid-century roadside attractions. I think it's hilarious. Frankly there's more Imagineering value there than in Space Mountain: Mission 2 and Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast combined.
I just think it's important to make the distinction between funding issues and Imagineering issues.
True, it is clever. But to quote Jurrassic Park - jut because they can do something, did anyone stop to think should they?
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"It will be popular, and yes it is better than that mess that is Chester and Hester's
I'm going to do something very shocking now, and speak in favor of DinoRama... But I have to say I think the Imagineers created something witty and clever there as well that no one ever seems to pick up on. If you can manage to see past the two-bit carny rides (which are an unfortunate reality that I am not making excuses for), you'll see that the place is actually an excellent take on mid-century roadside attractions. I think it's hilarious. Frankly there's more Imagineering value there than in Space Mountain: Mission 2 and Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast combined.
I just think it's important to make the distinction between funding issues and Imagineering issues.
The issue I had with Chesters and Hesters was mainly the ride and the fact I had to wait 40 minutes for a queue of about 20 people :lol: (plus I was totally disappointed with it too.) The area itself actually reminded me a lot of Brighton Pier and childhood memories... But I still think it was a very poor choice and really didnt fit in with the surroundings :s
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"This is not new, in the 1920's coasters were all the rage in America, there were far more then than now. When Walt rolled out his plans for Disneyland they said it would go under without thrill rides. They were wrong. I appreciate where you may be coming from, but as someone who has spent my life going to Disney parks with babies, older relatives, people with disabilities etc, the one thing they were awesome at was building inclusive people eating attractions that virtually everyone could ride, that tell strong stories and take you to another place.
I will concede that this addition does have quite a cohesive story (even if not to my taste, I will give it that), but it is not inclusive and nor are they crowd eaters.
I appreciate your point but times and tastes have changed. I tend to think that thrill rides are the gift that keeps on giving - you can ride them over and over and never tire of the physical experience. ToT is a perfect example of that, as is RnRC - never get tired of that launch! Rides which are 'just' about the scenery (and admittedly Disney does them brilliantly) are never quite as good on repeats as the first ride imo. You see many more things, enjoy it, take in the details but I don't think you can ever match that initial 'wow'. Bearing in mind how many teens I've seen in the park - and the opinions of the ones I've taken! - it needs the thrill rides and the family ones in order to cater for all tastes. They'll go on Peter Pan once to enjoy it, but they'll ride Big Thunder Mountain over and over because of the thrill. Now, of course, others will prefer things the opposite way round and good for them :) Disney definitely seems to have far less thrill rides than other parks and that's fine, but it definitely needs some. Which is one thing I think TSPL has balanced really well.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"True, it is clever. But to quote Jurrassic Park - jut because they can do something, did anyone stop to think should they?
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"The issue I had with Chesters and Hesters was mainly the ride and the fact I had to wait 40 minutes for a queue of about 20 people :lol: (plus I was totally disappointed with it too.) The area itself actually reminded me a lot of Brighton Pier and childhood memories... But I still think it was a very poor choice and really didnt fit in with the surroundings :s
In a way it's supposed to evoke Brighton-style awfulness, or its 1950s US Highway equivalent. Which doesn't sound like the beginning of a great Disney attraction, but there really is an interesting, quirky bit of American history there and I think there's room for things like that in the Disney world. If Pixar had made a movie about these roadside diversions, people would be cheering them on. (Perhaps they would have had it not been for Cars.)
As far as shoestring budget attractions go, they've done much worse.
I think thrill rides add an element of excitement to child and the 'return' factor. One of my friends has been taking her son since he was 18 months old. She has taken him every year and watched as he grew and last trip (although timid at first) he was finally tall enough to go on BTM, he loved it and wanted to go again and again. He will have the same with ToT and Crush when he is big enough. It gives him something to really look forward to in future trips.
I know that the original Disneyland is very forgiving with height limits. I know that when I visited I was able to ride everything, of course that didnt mean I was brave enough to! It took me 13 years of waiting to rectify not going on Splash Mountain :lol:. Kids are a lot braver now than I remember them being when I was their age and I think kids are starting to expect more from a theme park. Especially since other theme parks do offer thrill galore. I am not disagreeing that the original values of Disneyland are perhaps being lost, but then as Walt always knew the future changes things and as society and peoples expectations change so does Disneyland.
The Parachute Drop's height limit is lower than that of Jumping Jellyfish (PD is 81cm JJ is 102cm) and lower than Splash Mountain, Matterhorn and Space Mountain. Its also lower than most of the rides in California Adventure so I think we are rather lucky there. We all knew that RC was going to have a tall requirement, however I cant help but be pleased that this will hopefully draw thrill seekers away from Crush and make the queue times for Crush at least bareable. Not to mention the fact that we know the studios will be getting another ride in the years to come to further help the lack of rides for people to queue for, taking the strain off of Cars and the Carpets. Hope that all made sense lol, I'm not normally up so early and posting long posts like this :lol:
I am not sure whether to post this here (I was tempted to start another thread as I know many are skipping this one now, but I was frightened of being told off by the mods). DLP will be broadcasting the opening ceremony on Facebook at 12:30 CET:
http://www.facebook.com/disneylandparis ... 7478235992 (http://www.facebook.com/disneylandparis?v=app_151087478235992%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Thanks DWB! Am watching now... I didnt realise how tall that bamboo is! From certain angles it blocks the ToT!
They filmed some scenes when I was there! Cool!
Today is going to be a real test on how the rides can cope under large crowds. Will be curious to see what the wait times were like considering the land is crawling with guests.
The smiles on those kids faces are just so precious!
LIVE wait times at the first hour of opening:
Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop: 90 minutes
Slinky Dog ZigZag Spin: 40 minutes
RC Racer: 80 minutes
And rising... Crush had 70 minutes wait during this first hour. Source: DCP.
Darn it, I posted it up but a work call meant I missed it and there is nothing there now. Did I miss anything of interest?
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Darn it, I posted it up but a work call meant I missed it and there is nothing there now. Did I miss anything of interest?
If you mean the live coverage of the opening? It just ended. Nothing too special, just some cool onride video's and the usual opening ceremony with Mickey, interviews with the Imagineers and visitors. It's very crowded though.
Just watched the Live broadcast from TSPL and it was great! Really interesting to watch. It's a shame everything was in French (as always... :roll:), but the videos were very nice!! :D
Were there any celebs there, or significant imagineers, or John Lasseter?
I understood some of the french but judging from the looks on peoples faces the land ticked a lot of boxes for people (Did you see the kids on Slinky? That almost made me cry! So adorable!) The on ride videos were great, gave me a better feel of the ride themselves rather than just how they look.
hey there,looking at all the pictures and all the videos i will have to say that this does look better than i expected, but having been to california and walked through "a bugs land" this looks slightly better but still not up to the disney standards that we as fans have come to expect, however i am going in 4 weeks and will judge in person when i am there, i just thought i would add my 2 cents into the mix, hope no one minds.
And it finally opened up :D!
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Were there any celebs there, or significant imagineers, or John Lasseter?
As far as I could tell there were only local Imagineers who worked on the project (from DLP-Imagineering), no American guests. I have no idea if there were French celebs, as I can't recognise them. John was missing to. Maybe he got sick in Slinky Dog... 8)
I think there will be more significant guest during the Shareholders Special Event in september?
Looks like FilipV had posted the online videostream onto YouTube:
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Such a shame they saved all their dramatics for the festival micro entertainment enhancements and not the multi million Euro new land. Ah well. Hope potential guests actually get to know the land has arrived...
The land has had a brief write up on the Disney Park blog...
http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2 ... and-paris/ (http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2010/08/toy-story-playland-unveiled-at-disneyland-paris/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Hi all,
I gotta say looked better than i thought. The plants need more time to mature and soften it but overall i think to myself times change and walt wanted kids to dream and i'm sorry to say it but kids have different ideas to us sometimes. i'll reserve my final decision to halloween when we return again but hey we got a new area and rides people. We needed something here and times change i guess.
No flames people i won't bite ;)
Mr_B
Thats great to hear. And it'll be interesting to see how it compares at Halloween to what you've seen as I know one concern is how will it look and last in the colder months.
Kristof has posted some pictures of TSPL on his photosmagiques website.
http://www.photosmagiques.com/ (http://www.photosmagiques.com/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Why didn't WDI place the parachute tower in the forest, like they did with RC Racer. I think there would be a better location to hide the enormous structure. Wasn't there enough place?
sure is great to see the pics it actuly looks quite good shame about the que's though!
As I haven't read it elsewhere yet (though I didn't really check, I'll admit), I'm happy to report that those somewhat faded-looking parachute fabrics have been replaced over night to make way for more saturated versions that fit the land's color scheme.
So yeah, I guess that makes the attraction even more visible, but it's good news nevertheless!
Today the que for the Parachute Drop was a whopping 120 minutes. Toy Story Playland is realy attracting a lot of people. I don't wanna know what the waittime for RC Racer was today...
I guess the queues are bound to be really long to start with, after all its a new addition and everyone wants to try the new rides. Hopefully things will calm down (though probably not for a while) does anyone know how the opening of these rides affected the Queues if at all for the rest of the Studios?
Quote from: "Tuvok"Today the que for the Parachute Drop was a whopping 120 minutes. Toy Story Playland is realy attracting a lot of people. I don't wanna know what the waittime for RC Racer was today...
:shock: Right kids, toilet and food before we join the queue line! If you dont see us come out the other end by the end of the day, send in a search party! :lol:
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"I guess the queues are bound to be really long to start with, after all its a new addition and everyone wants to try the new rides. Hopefully things will calm down (though probably not for a while) does anyone know how the opening of these rides affected the Queues if at all for the rest of the Studios?
I was wondering if it would make much difference at this time of year? With it being the first week for TSPL and it being peak season?
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"I guess the queues are bound to be really long to start with, after all its a new addition and everyone wants to try the new rides. Hopefully things will calm down (though probably not for a while) does anyone know how the opening of these rides affected the Queues if at all for the rest of the Studios?
I doubt it petit serene. These have very low capacity and therefore will always have problems with wait times. Look at Dumbo and Orbitron, their waits are always pretty high too.
THis was my major concern (asthetics aside). Walt Disney spent a fortune on researching how they could run multiple cars to aid capacity when they built the Matterhorn in the 50's, and they installed two tracks. In the 70's, when Space Mountain opened, they invested a fortune on using computer systems to allow multiple cars to be on the same track. Later in the 70's they plussed this with Big Thunder to have the two track loading and dispatch system. And now it feels like we have gone so backwards with RC Racer.
Yep, what they don't get about the capacity is they think about the people throughput where all three rides still do not touch PotC capacity when you put them together. And yet for an individual guest to ride all three, the combined queing time will be 3 - 5 hours - for carnival rides I can go to a local park for and hop on with next to no wait.
It will be interesting to see how this goes, but the waits for Crush Coaster and the Carpets have remained pretty consistant since opening and I suspect this will too.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Yep, what they don't get about the capacity is they think about the people throughput where all three rides still do not touch PotC capacity when you put them together. And yet for an individual guest to ride all three, the combined queing time will be 3 - 5 hours - for carnival rides I can go to a local park for and hop on with next to no wait.
It will be interesting to see how this goes, but the waits for Crush Coaster and the Carpets have remained pretty consistant since opening and I suspect this will too.
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That´s a really interesting point dave. It will be even more interesting if the park will get the attention of the europe customers. How much visitors do they have at the moment? 5.6 millions? Mostly people that spent not the whole day there? If some day the european customer take this park as a serious destination and theme park this low capacity of crush and TSPL ... will be a big problem. How could they handle this park with a normal disney park attendance? Today it´s a problem for me to wait 90 minutes for crush. low attendance of the park in mind it would be a disaster. They have to invest in high capacity attractions now. And that very fast. If the european audience take the park one day as a serious disney park, a park to go for a weekend with much details, theme, story and fun WDS could collapse. At the moment I only can say: What a luck that the european guests are that less impressed by WDS :(
I've just got back from disney, and I was there on the opening day of TSPl, the queue for parachute drop said 120 mins but it was actually about 80. It was really good because you can see LOADS! It was quite scary for a little kids ride. I was a bit disssapointed with the cast members though, because there werer samll children being told by their parents to go and play on the objects by the side of the queue area.
RC Racer - AMAZING! When you sit at the front you get a good view, 90 mins to queue - not too bad!
If you do go onto it though, if in a pair or a three, they are always calling for 1 person to go on, so if you are in a pair, decide to split up and go on seperate cars - 70 mins wait turned into 5!
I, personally can't understand why slinky had a 3 hour wait time. It wasn't very good. I'm lucky I didn't have to queue because my mum's in a wheelchair so we went in the wheelchair entrance without queueing. I like it though because it has a special car for wheelchair people, where the side folds down and the wheelchair person can slide across - that impressed me.
Quote from: "Riebi"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Yep, what they don't get about the capacity is they think about the people throughput where all three rides still do not touch PotC capacity when you put them together. And yet for an individual guest to ride all three, the combined queing time will be 3 - 5 hours - for carnival rides I can go to a local park for and hop on with next to no wait.
It will be interesting to see how this goes, but the waits for Crush Coaster and the Carpets have remained pretty consistant since opening and I suspect this will too.
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That´s a really interesting point dave. It will be even more interesting if the park will get the attention of the europe customers. How much visitors do they have at the moment? 5.6 millions? Mostly people that spent not the whole day there? If some day the european customer take this park as a serious destination and theme park this low capacity of crush and TSPL ... will be a big problem. How could they handle this park with a normal disney park attendance? Today it´s a problem for me to wait 90 minutes for crush. low attendance of the park in mind it would be a disaster. They have to invest in high capacity attractions now. And that very fast. If the european audience take the park one day as a serious disney park, a park to go for a weekend with much details, theme, story and fun WDS could collapse. At the moment I only can say: What a luck that the european guests are that less impressed by WDS :(
5,6 milion for the Studios? Try 2,6 milion (source: TEA Theme Index 2009).
WDS needs to grow and by that I mean expand in land size. Studio Tram Tour needs to be pushed to the back, so there will be a lot of space for future development. There needs to be a REAL Hollywood Boulevard (like Main Street) and a lagoon for nighttime entertainment (Fantasmic, World of Color, what ever). Then it will be a full blown Disney park. With TSP it's definately growing in a positive direction on theming (whether you like the theme or not). I'd pick TSP over the 'backlot area' anytime. What a concrete mess that is. Ratatouille will be awesome. A full immersive Paris environment. Great!
Welcome back disneymad...woops
wow a 3 hour queue for slinkys zig zag spin i thought the queue would be a lot smaller.
Hopefully the queues will decrease after its been open for a few weeks soon for everyone going. With these queues so big does this mean thsat crushs coaster had a smaller queue?
I totally understand Davewasbaloo, although I should have said that I didnt expect there to be much of a time difference when the land has settled in there is always a little bit of a 'wow new attraction!' buzz. After the initial excitement you will probably find that people who go to the parks more often skip certain rides (for example we don't go on Carpets or Cars unless theres no real queue, been there done that which means 1 less group in the queue.) I'm not very good at explaining myself :? but I agree it wont make that much difference, but it will be interesting to see.
I have to admit that the studios fail totally on the one thing my husband was taught when working at Disneyland. That NO queue should be longer that 90 minutes. If it is then your doing something wrong! Unfortunatly a few of the studios rides dont fit this criteria and its not slow cast members butjust the rides themselves. Rides like crush always have long queues. The equivelent in Alton Towers had a 40 minute queue whilst rides like Air and Oblivion were walk ons! What ever happened to the days my husband talked about where they had 30 seconds to unload and load the trains on Space Mountain before sending them on their way?
However having said that, the more capacity a ride the more room it takes up. PotC is a large ride, as is IASW. Bigger rides = more money spent and the circle goes on and on :(. However to end this post on a positive the long queues do indicate that the rides are popular with the guests if the queues are so long! :)
A little thought...a friend of mine in WDI told me it would have only cost €10m more (so a little over 10%) to have TSMM. WHich would have had greater guest satisfaction?
Sadly petit serene, the formula for Disney has changed. Now they work on the basis of each guest riding 9-11 attractions a day and programme the development of attractions on that basis :(
How can guests ride 9 - 11 attractions a day when the ride capacity is so small and queues will be longer than 90 minutes? I think it is possible with rides like PotC, BTM, PM, iasw, ToT or RnRC.
I know, I guess they are factoring in the fact that many of the other attractions at WDSP have large capacity - Cinemagique, Motuers Action, the Tram Tour would if they ran it as designed, Tot, RNRC.
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"After the initial excitement you will probably find that people who go to the parks more often skip certain rides (for example we don't go on Carpets or Cars unless theres no real queue, been there done that which means 1 less group in the queue.) I'm not very good at explaining myself :?
I know exactly what you mean. I don't ride things like Orbitron unless I'm with someone who has never been before.
QuoteRides like crush always have long queues. The equivelent in Alton Towers had a 40 minute queue...
Crush is insanely popular. Unique ride in the park, very popular film, small-ish ride height and no inversions (same reasons BTM has a big queue always) and VERY slow loading. Even the most able bodied people seem to very cack handed getting in and out of Crush. Too many times I see the ride stopped and then of course they have to wait for a suitable point to let the next car go - often I'm waiting longer in the dark at the end to get out than I actually spend moving on the ride!
Quote from: "disneyrules"Welcome back disneymad...woops
wow a 3 hour queue for slinkys zig zag spin i thought the queue would be a lot smaller.
Hopefully the queues will decrease after its been open for a few weeks soon for everyone going. With these queues so big does this mean thsat crushs coaster had a smaller queue?
no, the queue for crushs coaster was still 80 mins! :evil:
Quote from: "DisneyMAD..Woops"Quote from: "disneyrules"Welcome back disneymad...woops
wow a 3 hour queue for slinkys zig zag spin i thought the queue would be a lot smaller.
Hopefully the queues will decrease after its been open for a few weeks soon for everyone going. With these queues so big does this mean thsat crushs coaster had a smaller queue?
no, the queue for crushs coaster was still 80 mins! :evil:
The 3 hour queue was one off! mostly it was 60-90 mins! It only went up dramatically when Parachute drop stopped working! :roll:
On opening day due to what I think was wind and rain (when it was windy the carriages moved quite a bit from side to side then it was stopped, rain because the cables were very squeaky when they got wet) the Parachute Drop was stopped for a while I can see it having to close often due to bad weather! :(
My main negative comment about parachute is its seating! Would it of been a major problem to make the seating for 8 instead of 6? 4 each side would of worked so much better than 3 each side many families are of 4 or people there as 2 many times while in the queue (which did move quickly) we saw it go up with empty seats to avoid spilting up families! :?
Positive this was my favourite ride it felt like a mild tower of terror, with a height requirement for kids! :D
RC Racer was too scary for me so I didn't go on I felt very bad when an elderly woman went on with a smile on her face and came off even more happy! :oops: :lol:
Slinky was good fun and a good family ride, however I feel this would be better if it went backward as well as forward!
Barrel of monkeys was basically a stand like the rest of studio's but more permenant with mostly Toy Story themed merchandise but some other pixar bits like a lightening McQueen remote control car, it was also very pokey and we could not get the wheelchair around it!
The themeing of the land is great! The land looked great in the rain and the sun! Buzz, Rex and RC Racer photo points were always busy and popular but the crowds around them never blocked the rest of the path!
Sadly it didn't make much difference to Crush's queue but ToT and RNRC both stayed around the 20-30 mins area (the longest queue we had was 20 mins)
More details will follow when I get time to do my trip report :D
Much more positive about the land now i've been there, went to the previews on my trip, just got back actually. Parachute was fun and RC was pretty cool. Didn't get to ride Slinky Dog, and on the day after the previews when the land opened the lines for it were a bit too long for me. It seems like a good addition though, and in person is much less visible than some pictures make it seem.
When i rode RC i got the proof i needed to say RC is an Intamin, the restraints etc.
Philippe Gas, CEO of Euro Disney SAS, posted for the first time on the official Disney Parks blog. Off course it was about the opening of TSPL. Take a look:
http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2 ... and-paris/ (http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2010/08/toy-story-playland-unveiled-at-disneyland-paris/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
The overall comments @ //http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2%20...%20and-paris/ are very positive about
this add on to WDS.
So the looks and idea surely speaks to some fans. :thumbs:
QuoteThe overall comments @ http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2 ... and-paris/ (http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2%20...%20and-paris/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;) are very positive about
this add on to WDS.
Thats because Disney monitor and decide what comments to post. Not all comments make it. I'm sure if I posted one saying the land was crap, I could guarantee it wouldn't get posted on the blog.
Why not have a go? Might be cathartic, too.
The biggest complaint from people seems to be a the downtime on the rides and that's rather to be expected - until they've been run continually for such a period you can't find the teething problems. Hopefully that will settle down shortly.
Poor project management then. The PM should have built in sufficient test and adjust time, as had the manufacturers. That is a part of building in the appropriate tolerances in the project planning process. When the rains come and the wind (which we know they will), then it should really be interesting.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Poor project management then. The PM should have built in sufficient test and adjust time, as had the manufacturers. That is a part of building in the appropriate tolerances in the project planning process. When the rains come and the wind (which we know they will), then it should really be interesting.
To be honest, I don't really recall a big ride launch where it hasn't had mechanical problems to start with. I suppose it is next to impossible to test the ride in long running day to day conditions until it's actually open.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Poor project management then. The PM should have built in sufficient test and adjust time, as had the manufacturers. That is a part of building in the appropriate tolerances in the project planning process. When the rains come and the wind (which we know they will), then it should really be interesting.
Nearly all rides have problems at the start, look at TH13TEEN at Alton Towers, that had big problems. Overall I think this is the right way to go at the moment, I think they chose this over TSMM because for less money they could get 3 rides, a shop and a new land, and that it all comes down to that. Will they add TSMM in the future? I don't know. I think they should develop the other areas of the park and come up with original dark rides, but TSMM is becoming a worldwide attraction with TDS getting a version.
magicforum note:Now that the land is officially open, new topics for the individual attractions here have been opened to allow you to discuss and comment on each one specifically. We did this with Toon Studio in 2007 and it worked much better than trying to talk about everything at once.
- Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9678)
- Slinky Dog Zigzag Spin (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9679)
- RC Racer (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9680)
Please continue to use this topic for all general news and discussion about the overall land.
Just in time - 8.58am on Tuesday morning:
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And two photos from yesterday morning to show Buzz/the entrance area with construction walls down:
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I eat my words about one thing: It was absolutely the right decision to put Buzz here rather than a generic robot. The land would have been very lacking in the actual cast of characters otherwise and the voiceovers (in French and English, with what definitely sounds like the real Tim Allen) are a great welcome. It feels very authentic and very "Disney", like this is the Toy Story area.
I'll save my criticisms of the now even wider and more barren path between TSPL and Toon Studio for another time, but it's stupid for a start that - if the area wasn't confused enough already - the Hollywood Blvd loop is played right along it, all the way up to this corner with Buzz!
Is that the place where the ToT poster used to be?
When you look at them pics, you'd never in a million years think you're in the Studio's with all that greenery! Looks great.
I just cannot believe they aren't going to have character meets in there, thats so ridiculous. I mean, what the hell is with the Buzz character, how often i seen anywhere on the resort?
Quote from: "Martyn"I just cannot believe they aren't going to have character meets in there, thats so ridiculous. I mean, what the hell is with the Buzz character, how often i seen anywhere on the resort?
Ah, well I'm not sure if this was just a special for the first few days or weeks, but:
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I saw Toy Soldiers on Tuesday and Wednesday and Woody every day.
Buzz can still be met at the Toon Plaza area opposite Cars, which is a bit bizarre as you walk towards that area - one real-life Buzz on your right, one much taller "plastic" Buzz to your left. Kids must be so confused.
It's nice to see a CM telling a kid to stop climbing on Rex! lol
(That's what it looks like anyway :P)
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nice to see the ToT banner gone, lol was that not there for al ong time?
I take exception to seeing a poster on Toy Story Playland with Woody. When he isn't even featured anywhere in the land. Its false advertising as far as I'm concerned. I also agree with Martyn thats its ridiculous if meet & greets with the Toy Story Characters are not happening in this land. I hope the reports are incorrect and that Characters like Woody and Jessie will be out in this land.
I'd rather they keep characters out of the land myself, it might seem like a popular shot but it would ruin the scale of the land. Buzz, Slinky, Rex and the toys are all at a larger scale than 'human' sized characters. There's enough TS characters at various points through the parks for visitors to meet them.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"I'd rather they keep characters out of the land myself, it might seem like a popular shot but it would ruin the scale of the land. Buzz, Slinky, Rex and the toys are all at a larger scale than 'human' sized characters. There's enough TS characters at various points through the parks for visitors to meet them.
You can meet the Toy Story characters throughout the resort, but at places where you shouldn't meet them. For example you can meet Woody in Frontierland and in my opinion he doesn'T belong there. I know he is a cowboy and a sheriff, but he doesn't fit into the Thunder Mesa story.
Now we have a Toy Story Playland and I think that the should remove Woody'S Round Up from Frontierland and transfere them to Toy Story Playland.
Who cares if a few Toy Story Characters ruin the scale of the land. Its hardly a picaso painting to begin with. I don't care if the park add's a few characters to the land. Keep them within TSPL and away from the rest of the park is what I say. Besides at the moment a walk around Character is the only thing the land has themed around Woody, despite all advertising featuring the sheriff. And Guests need something to do while Parachute Jump is closed for the day like it was this week thanks to tech problems.
Quote from: "Malin"I also agree with Martyn thats its ridiculous if meet & greets with the Toy Story Characters are not happening in this land. I hope the reports are incorrect and that Characters like Woody and Jessie will be out in this land.
See my photos above. They have been, at least for the first few days.
Here's a photo of how the walkway behind Art of Disney looks with the walls down. Wider than it used to be I think:
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Such an aimless little piece of real estate. And didn't you write that the Hollywood Boulevard loop plays there?
It doesn't seem that difficult to pull off a pleasant transition here; put a slight curve in the path, add a few lamp posts that get slightly more whimsical nearer Toon Studio, paint the fence a slightly less lurid color, add a few cheerful plants to break up the wall of bamboo. They managed it on the future Ratatouille side. But we've been here before...
I agree, but having said that, how nice to see greenery in wds!!
QuoteSee my photos above. They have been, at least for the first few days.
I did see your photo's Anthony, as I always make a point to do so. But this is not yet reported to be a permanent addition to the land. Although it should be in my view. Since you were out at TSPL earlier in the week. Do you think the addition of Toy Story Characters helps the land in creating more atsmophere. And helping to take away some of the frustrations people are bound to have over the insane wait times.
QuoteSuch an aimless little piece of real estate. And didn't you write that the Hollywood Boulevard loop plays there?
Agreed and it looks even poorer when you see the small detail that Disney has put into a new path over at DCA between the Tower of Terror and A Bugs Land which also opened this week. The path like the one at the Studios cuts though the back of the Animation building. Check out the DisneyGeek photo update for more. http://www.disneygeek.com/updates/updat ... 2010_08_20 (http://www.disneygeek.com/updates/update.php?update_date=2010_08_20%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Notice the rock work as you get nearer to A Bugs Land. It seems DCA can't do anything wong right now doesn't it.
That pathway does look a bit bland, with the plain tarmac, thats not very Disney-like....
One thing I'd like to know from people who have been, does it fit in to the Studio's well? I've always loved the idea of TSPL, and it will work well, people will love it, but will it fit in to the Studio's?
great news for AP holders - a fab early entry offer
"Privatisation de Toy Story Playland spécial Passeport Annuel du 25 août au 17 septembre 2010de 8h30 à 9h30, pour tous les Passeports Annuel et 2 accompagnants! "
whoopee - early entry for me
Where did you see that Smufy? I had heard rumours but that is the closest to confirmation. We shall make use of that.
Poor Rex has lasted less than a week :(
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It seems barriers will be the obvious cure for this loutish behaviour :evil:
A great article about TSPL's first week and the source: http://www.disneygazette.fr/bilan-week- ... s-417.html (http://www.disneygazette.fr/bilan-week-end-ouverture-toy-story-playland-news-417.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Where did you see that Smufy? I had heard rumours but that is the closest to confirmation. We shall make use of that.
It was in Envie+ and I believe it is also on the website (At least thats what I gathered when he rang me :lol:)
I cant believe Rex is already broken! :evil: They really need to start putting their foot down and telling parents to control their kids! Thats vandalism!
And I'm sorry but using the excuse 'you get tired of it after x amount of hours' is not a valid excuse. I've been with young kids and they didnt climb over everything because they knew if they did and didnt listen they would get punished for it!
Quote from: "Festival Disney"Poor Rex has lasted less than a week :(
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It seems barriers will be the obvious cure for this loutish behaviour :evil:
A great article about TSPL's first week and the source: http://www.disneygazette.fr/bilan-week- ... s-417.html (http://www.disneygazette.fr/bilan-week-end-ouverture-toy-story-playland-news-417.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
This was in my predictions when the concept Art came out, along with the correct prediction on long waits and break downs when I was told to wait and see. :(
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Where did you see that Smufy? I had heard rumours but that is the closest to confirmation. We shall make use of that.
It was in Envie+ and I believe it is also on the website (At least thats what I gathered when he rang me :lol:)
Cool, thanks. I will check it out, it wasn't there the other day.
Quote from: "Festival Disney"Poor Rex has lasted less than a week :(
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It seems barriers will be the obvious cure for this loutish behaviour :evil:
A great article about TSPL's first week and the source: http://www.disneygazette.fr/bilan-week- ... s-417.html (http://www.disneygazette.fr/bilan-week-end-ouverture-toy-story-playland-news-417.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Rex lasted really long.
Stupid guests! Everything has to be fenced off. But it also looks like that Rex and I'm sure the other figures, too, are made of poor quality.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Festival Disney"Poor Rex has lasted less than a week :(
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It seems barriers will be the obvious cure for this loutish behaviour :evil:
A great article about TSPL's first week and the source: http://www.disneygazette.fr/bilan-week- ... s-417.html (http://www.disneygazette.fr/bilan-week-end-ouverture-toy-story-playland-news-417.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
This was in my predictions when the concept Art came out, along with the correct prediction on long waits and break downs when I was told to wait and see. :(
You predicted long waits, rides breaking down and vandalism/damage ! You dont have this weeks lottery numbers do you :-" (Sorry couldn't resist)
Seriously as a "fan" of this area Im sad to see your predictions coming true and whilst I can accept that no amount of stress test can prepare a ride for the numbers that TSPL has seen so breakdowns may happen and that the high level of interest is creating the wait times I really cant rationalise why anyone would do that to Rex. It looks like a maintenance panel of some sort so Im hoping they have a spare (betting they wont) and that whoever did that was caught.
Alain Littaye from disneyandmore took some pictures of TSPL last weekend. He also took a picture that shows children climbing on Rex.
Take a look:
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I'm sure the figures will be fenced off soon! Hopefully, because I don't want to see broken figures. It is really sad that people behave like that and that everything has to be protected from them. I know that children like climbing on their favorite characters, but it is up to their parents to prevent them from destryoing things.
RnRC - you don;t have to be so snidy. My point is if you go back through the origins of this thread, my predictions have come to pass. As a professional Programme Manager, that is my job, to think ahead. And Disney have nearly 60 years of experience of doing this, and 18 years of knowing what animals visit DLP. This should not have happened, and especially so soon.
Poor Rex...
But if you position a big, well known TOY in an area called TOY Story PLAYLAND in a corner on a road accessible to anybody, without any kind of fencing, it is quite naturally children start playing around with it...
This damage obviously wasn't from "normal playing", although if I look at the thin sheets of plastic or probably fiberglass it is made of, I doubt this whole thing was made to last for much endurance.
If you don't want your probs getting used by little children in a PLAYLAND, you need to put fences around it. Fences are clear an can be enforced: you don't go behind there...
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"RnRC - you don;t have to be so snidy. My point is if you go back through the origins of this thread, my predictions have come to pass. As a professional Programme Manager, that is my job, to think ahead. And Disney have nearly 60 years of experience of doing this, and 18 years of knowing what animals visit DLP. This should not have happened, and especially so soon.
Sorry wasnt going for snidy was going for humour, no offense intended
Quote from: "johnd331"This damage obviously wasn't from "normal playing", although if I look at the thin sheets of plastic or probably fiberglass it is made of, I doubt this whole thing was made to last for much endurance.
The damaged piece is obviously the grill cover of a loudspeaker; the rest of Rex (and pretty much everything else in the land) is hopefully not quite this fragile.
They should put Rex on a platform, like they did with Buzz, so that people can't reach him.
Still, if you place fences you'll always have people who will climb over it. *Points at Luigi and Guido at Cars Race Rally* I saw children climbing over the fence multiple times.
You see people who cant control their kids are my pet peeve. They ruin it for everyone else. Guido and Luigi wouldnt have to have those ugly rails if people controlled their kids! If my child was climbing over it and refused to get off when I told them I would go over there and physically drag them off myself! I was always taught to be respectful and respect others and other peoples property. Its a shame these values seem non existant nowadays :(
Quote from: "svenneke1"Still, if you place fences you'll always have people who will climb over it. *Points at Luigi and Guido at Cars Race Rally* I saw children climbing over the fence multiple times.
Once I told a child that he shouldn't climb over the fence, because I wanted to make a picture of Luigi. Suddenly his mother started shouting at me that this is not my business. If her child wants to climb, than he is allowed to climb. At least a CM came and told them not to climb over the fence. Then the woman got really furious and shouted at the CM. Stupid people.
I agre with all the comments above, Bt would question how robust Rex was in the first place if he can get damaged to that degree after a week!!! He was either built as an "art piece" that is not looked at from afar, or something kids can interact with!
Some children will climb over a fence - however, it is a barrier and will stop the majority getting in. You could stick a sign next to it saying do not climb - but that probably won't work either!
What about sticking a photographer there and make it a meet and greet area as such? Make some money and also monitor Rex to prevent damage!
this might sound like a strange question.... but what do the rides actually do...? from what i have seen the parachute drop lifts you up then bobs you up and down a cupple of times before putting you back down again... is that all it does.... how fast does it go... and is it worth waiting in the queue for it.... from the video's etc that i have seen it looks really reallly boring...
the RC racer looks pretty cool....def my type of ride...
and slinky dog.... what about that, i have seen a video of it running.... but again it looks quite... slow...and boring...
from the reports I have read apparently Slinky Dog suprises you as it looks slow but apparently it feels really fast when your on it.
Quote from: "PetiteSirene"from the reports I have read apparently Slinky Dog suprises you as it looks slow but apparently it feels really fast when your on it.
hm... yeah i have read that as well.... guess i shall have to wait and see.... 5 months 6 days to go... XD
I'll let you know for myself in 3 weeks Swipes ;)
I was watching this video on YouTube, when Laurent Cayuela popped up with his synchronised arms. Does anyone know, did he actually have anything to do with the design of Toy Story Playland? Did he actually design or write anything for the area, or does he just show up to take credit for things designed in California?
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Quote from: "Alan"I was watching this video on YouTube, when Laurent Cayuela popped up with his synchronised arms. Does anyone know, did he actually have anything to do with the design of Toy Story Playland? Did he actually design or write anything for the area, or does he just show up to take credit for things designed in California?
I'd imagine that he wrote the French spiels and copy.
Apart from that, it's not so much a question of taking credit but of representing Imagineering in the French media... a TV station won't fly in someone from Glendale (or send a camera team over) for a short interview about a bunch of theme park attractions. If they don't have to dub or subtitle, all the better... So it's part of our local Imagineers' duties to show up on TV when needed.
Some interesting points from a small view of TSPL in danish television.
The reporter was in TSPL and interviewed a man named M. Wilson, who had been part of the planning team.
Question 1: Why build a playland themed to Toy Story?
"It seemed like the obvious choice, so it was actually an easy choice to make." (It did not sound like they had discussed other possibilities.)
Question 2: How long does it take to make a place like this?
"From the very first idea to now it has been just 27 months, which for us is very fast." (Maybe some more time and discussion about theme could have made an (even) better expansion)
Question 3: I have seen all the classical characters, but why can't I see Trixie? (The reporter is the danish voice for Trixie)
"Well, that is because you haven't looked good enough. She is in here some place." (Interesting fact - could there be several TS3 characters hidden around the land?)
Just wanted to share this and it was filmed in rain. I'm sorry to say it, but the colours do seem very dark in that kind of weather (the next 6-8 months in Europe)
QuoteThis was in my predictions when the concept Art came out, along with the correct prediction on long waits and break downs when I was told to wait and see.
Thats right and others including myself also shared similar concerns. What disappoints me is that a bunch of online Disney fans are able to point out these obvious flaws in the Toy Story Playland concept. Yet both the Management who signed this off and the Imagineers who designed the land could not see any of these issues coming. Which brings up the question does anyone in either Imagineering or over at EuroDisney S.C.A understand how to opperate a themepark. Did it not occur to either group that something should be addressed regarding Rex. Notice now that all these problems are becoming a reality, the TSPL fans are now rather silent.
If you look at the damage caused. It seems to be very large blow to poor Rex. Which question's if this was done by a kid or an adult clearly frustrated by how much this place sucks. If its the later I would love to know who this guy was, so I could buy him a pint. ;) If it was done by kids, in a way I will not put to much blame on them here. The Rex prop looks like a giant toy dinosaur. The same sort of thing you would expect to find at a Mcdonald's Playland or some other kids play zone. With the area not being roped off, I could see why many would let they kids climb over him.
In a way this is kind of ironic to the story line for Toy Story 3. Where the toys move into a Day care centre and are surrounded by kids who don't know how to look after them.
QuoteBut it also looks like that Rex and I'm sure the other figures, too, are made of poor quality.
It does seem to be the case. The fact this has happened less than a week after opening does not fair well for the future of this land. Anyone want to volunteer to do an upkeep check on this place after the first Anniversary.
For those who want to know, i just uploaded 2 new MP3 episodes. Worth listening , the first one , Toy Story - The Tour , is online now!
Toy Story Playland is a great land but I am really disapointed about Mr Potatohead... I mean , if they put him into the land , the merchendise could make it role more ofter! Does anyone knows when its gets dark in the afternoon?
I would love to see it :D
Quote from: "Malin"Notice now that all these problems are becoming a reality, the TSPL fans are now rather silent.
I haven't been silent and its not like I hate the land :p :lol:
You have to ask yourself however whether the fact that Rex is in a bad state is actually Disney's fault. I saw some things in my trip to WDW that also looked rather flimsy without barriers... However they were in perfect condition. The reason? Because the parents werent letting their kids climb over everything in sight.
The state of Rex is not a sign of Disney being 'cheap' its a poor sign that children nowadays are allowed to do what ever they want and get away with it. I can bet that even if Rex was made of something stronger some punk kid would still have managed to break him. Should we blame Disney for not building an indestructable Rex? No we should blame the parents who let their kids do anything they want and spoil it for everyone else :evil: /rant off
i wish i could be as pationate about this as you lot are... but i think until i have been there and actually witnessed this new part of the studios i will probably remain indifferent, and probably continue to think that the new rides bar RC racer look mind nummingly boring compared to other rides around the park...
They should put a small disclaimer under Rex, on a plaque:
"This figure is being observed by multiple video camera with face recognition technology. If your kid breaks it, you will receive a €5000 fine. Have a nice day!"
Quote from: "Alan"They should put a small disclaimer under Rex, on a plaque:
"This figure is being observed by multiple video camera with face recognition technology. If your kid breaks it, you will receive a €5000 fine. Have a nice day!"
:lol: :lol:
Here's some pictures of the queue's spilling out into the main walkway from this Saturday just gone:
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The Disabled waiting areas have been pegged out with the usual ugly stainless steel poles and white rope:
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A little sign telling guests they're supposed to leave through the barrels :shock:
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And they've placed an unthemed and pretty ugly refreshment cart outside the Slinky Dog entrance: :roll:
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I still can laugh about the people who are REALLY standing hours in one line for one little Parachute Drop ride xD
And about the foodcars ... you are still in the Studios, you forget that even the TSPL is a set ;)
Quote from: "Malin"The Rex prop looks like a giant toy dinosaur.
Oh no Rex looks like a giant toy dinosaur and look over there a giant toy Buzz Lightyear, with out wanting to state the obvious I'll let you work out where Im going with this....
As for the fans staying quiet, we now have four threads to discuss this over and I think you'll find that both sides are still commenting. Seriously I thought we'd got past the point of the conversation where we took pops at either side of the arguement.
Quote from: "pussinboots"The damaged piece is obviously the grill cover of a loudspeaker; the rest of Rex (and pretty much everything else in the land) is hopefully not quite this fragile.
I cannot believe only member has thought of that. Its kind of obvious really, yet the majority of people take it as an opportunity for more slating.
And lol at them queue's, I may queue a while for my first go on RC and Parachute Drop, but only once!
I think they should start letting hotel guests in the Studio's early. It'll be good for the hotel guests, and will most probably keep the queue's shorter during the day.
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2 minutes into this clip you will find the small interview I refered to earlier in this topic today. Listening to it again, I think he might be joking about Trixie, although it could be funny if they had hidden some TS3 characters in the land.
You can stop the commercial in the top right corner.
QuoteYou have to ask yourself however whether the fact that Rex is in a bad state is actually Disney's fault. I saw some things in my trip to WDW that also looked rather flimsy without barriers... However they were in perfect condition. The reason? Because the parents werent letting their kids climb over everything in sight.
Interesting because I would say WDW guests from my experience can be the worst behaved. Lets not forget that 9 year old Boy who was killed at WDW earlier this year. When he rode his bike into the side of a Resort bus. Reason for this tragic accident was because his Parents failed to watch over him. Disney have been opperating themeparks for years and have faced every lawsuit you can imagine. By now you would think they would realise that a lot of Guests are complete idiots who have no regard for other people or the property. By opening up Rex, Disney was kind of asking for it. So we can only blame the Guests for so much. Disney deserve the rest of the blame for placing Rex in a position where he could get vandalize. Disney should of known something like this would happen after the Luigi incident.
QuoteOh no Rex looks like a giant toy dinosaur and look over there a giant toy Buzz Lightyear, with out wanting to state the obvious I'll let you work out where Im going with this....
So why complain when kids climb all over him. Are kids not meant to play with toys. Is Rex roped off. Any signs saying please do not climb over the Dinosaur. If you state the obvious, he is a giant toy, and toy's do get broken.
QuoteAs for the fans staying quiet, we now have four threads to discuss this over and I think you'll find that both sides are still commenting.
Four threads yeah but I'm still not seeing much love in any of them for TSPL anymore. Maybe people are just holding back until they are able to experience the ride in person. But more or less all feedback and reports on this board over the last week have been negative. Long waits, shutdown's and now damage to the theming. For months we have had this backwards and forward debate over this land. But now that its finally opened. Its all been negative and people no longer seem to be in support of this land. I welcome all views, so if anyone has anything positive to say or can defend any of the negative reports. Lets hear them maybe.
QuoteI cannot believe only member has thought of that. Its kind of obvious really, yet the majority of people take it as an opportunity for more slating.
I don't think he's the only Member. Most of us however are looking at the bigger picture here. If Rex can look like this after a week. Whats the rest of the area going to look like in a years time. I think is unfair to say many of us are taking this as an opportunity for more slating. When this photo was provided and shared on this thread by non of the people in question. What are we to do, just ignore it.
Quote from: "Malin"Lets not forget that 9 year old Boy who was killed at WDW earlier this year. When he rode his bike into the side of a Resort bus.
There is a massive difference to a child being run over by a bus and parents letting their kid climb all over a piece of theming that is right infront of them and in a park. The kid was riding his bike with a friend on a road and got hit by the bus... How the hell is that the same thing?
Parents have started expecting other people take care of their kids instead of looking after themselves. The more companies cater to this 'babying' state the worse it is going to get. As I said, the theming isnt the problem, its the parents and the cast members not enforcing proper behaviour...
Had this NOT been TSPL and TSMM and had still been damaged would people still be calling it cheap I wonder?
@davewasbaloo - i got the info for the early opening from the AP section of the dlrp website :-)
QuoteThere is a massive difference to a child being run over by a bus and parents letting their kid climb all over a piece of theming that is right infront of them and in a park. The kid was riding his bike with a friend on a road and got hit by the bus... How the hell is that the same thing?
But its two incidents where poor parenting is to blame. And Disney need to take note that a lot of kids are left to run riot at the parks. What would have happen if the kid climbing Rex had fallen off the prop and broken his arm. Do you think the court will favour Disney. As far as I can tell Rex is not roped off and no warning signs are in place. Blame the parents sure. But also blame Disney for not thinking ahead and putting measures into place to prevent kids from climbing. I think we can both agree in a lot of cases the Parents just don't care. So it really is up to Disney to step up and do something about it. Since these people are on its property. And I don't think Cast Members are to blame. Only so much you can do when your overworked and underpaid.
QuoteHad this NOT been TSPL and TSMM and had still been damaged would people still be calling it cheap I wonder?
If something important on TSMM was broken within a week like it is at TSPL than yes I think it would come into question. But we don't have TSMM and we're stuck with TSPL instead. And up to now its been nothing but trouble from all the online reports. Did Tower of Terror go though all this trouble when it first opened at the Studios?
QuoteDid Tower of Terror go though all this trouble when it first opened at the Studios?
As far as I remember, the opening was quite smooth. But the official opening of the attraction was months after the first soft openings. Also keep in mind that the primary ride is almost a carbon copy of the one in California and extremely similar to the Tokyo version. Plus, ToT is quite redundant. If one of the elevators fails completely, you only loose 1/3rd of your capacity. The only new ride that has quite some redundancy is the Parachute drop.
But...let's not forget the fact that Disney has a tradition of troubled starts, right since the opening of the original park in Anaheim back in the 1950s. :).
My personal opinion is that this land lacks a lot of love from both the creators and (potential) visitors.
Having worked in a theme park I know all too well that rides will always have teething problems. The most recent one that got a lot of press when it opened was SAW the Ride at Thorpe Park. They can only test rides to a point but can't judge how well it will perform until it has thousands of people riding it. They had countless problems with Vortex when it first opened and also dont expect rides to be fixed straight away when they shut down. Nemesis Inferno was down once for over a month, no maintenance team was seen fixing the ride... why? Because they were waiting for a part to be shipped over from America. Even Eclipse the 'ferris' wheel was shut down for a large portion of the high season when one of the tires needed replacing and that was nothing but trouble from the start.
Its all very well to sit back and say 'oh I told you that the rides were rubbish and would break down' all the time, but the cold hard facts are that it happens in every theme park around the world. According to my husband when he worked on Space Mountain it used to break down daily, so no Disney rides aren't excluded of the pain that is random shut downs and teething problems.
QuoteAs far as I remember, the opening was quite smooth. But the official opening of the attraction was months after the first soft openings.
Exactly Disney were given the time to fix all potential problems. TSPL seems very rushed to me. Like presure was on to have it working for the end of Summer.
QuoteAlso keep in mind that the primary ride is almost a carbon copy of the one in California and extremely similar to the Tokyo version.
Yes but its not like Disney doesn't have rides that are similar to the Parachute Jump or Slinky in other parks. When you think both DCA and TDS are celebrating their 10th Anniversary's next year. Disney have had 9 years of experience working on this sort of attraction. The park in Hong Kong must be loving the fact that it can observe the mess that is TSPL and make corrections in time for opening in 2011.
QuoteIts all very well to sit back and say 'oh I told you that the rides were rubbish and would break down' all the time, but the cold hard facts are that it happens in every theme park around the world. According to my husband when he worked on Space Mountain it used to break down daily, so no Disney rides aren't excluded of the pain that is random shut downs and teething problems.
But Space Mountain is a technology advanced ride. The causes of a shutdown are small and restarting the system can be very time consuming. You can not compare advanced Coasters to silly carnival rides. That are mass produced to go in every themepark in the world. Blame teething problems all you want but I have been on several Disney park attractions after opening that are far more advanced and have not had these "Teething Problems" TDL Monsters Inc, TDS Tower of Terror, DHS Toy Story Mania, WDS Tower of Terror, HKDL Its a Small World, DAK Expedition Everest and DL Space Mountain (after reopening in 2005).
I think its fully expected to perhaps have issues on new ride systems which are custom built for the park like Thorpe Park's, Saw the ride. But should we be seeing it happen on basic carnival ride systems like the ones found in TSPL?
I think you're vastly underestimating how simple these so called carnival rides are. The UK theme parks have teething problems with even the simplest of their rides because they are complex systems no matter if it's a big thrill coaster or not.
TSPL is obviously extremely popular as can be seen from the queues. Two of the rides are suitable for the little ones which is obviously good and then you've got the thrill ride so that's a nice balance. It's added some much needed ride capacity to the Studios. I'd agree about opening it for hotel guests - that could definitely take some of the pressure off it later. However money is obviously an issue. Europe is in a bad state financially and Disney certainly is immune to it. Opening the Studios early would mean a lot employees in much earlier and hence more money.
Damage to Rex was probably someone's brat kicking it. I have met some of the rudest kids I've ever encountered at Disney, and I teach!
I actually cant post here why Space Mountain shut down daily but it was something that could have happened on ANY ride not just a coaster. Every ride is technically advanced in some way and as I said Vortex which is a 'silly' carnival ride broke down constantly for the first year after it opened. I listed Space Mountain as an example because I could 100% varify there were problems with it. Eclipse was a silly carnaval ride that constantly had to be shut... oh yeah and Samuri... and Quantum was shut for weeks at one point whilst they thought how to fix a problem that had been there from the start.
All rides are machines and all machines can go wrong for no reason, just because a ride is deemed 'more complicated' doesnt mean its going to shut down more than a smaller ride. For a real life example... I have a (not cheap) baby monitor that recently just stopped working after a few months. Its a piece of plastic with a few wires but in your line of reasoning its not allowed to do that... after all its a generic product that everyone can buy. Its rather narrow minded to say that ANY piece of machinery cant have teething problems just because there are loads of them. My dad recently bought a new car and the first few months it was in and out of the dealers garage with one problem or another and I can assure you I see plenty of that certain car on the roads.
Quote from: "smurfy74"@davewasbaloo - i got the info for the early opening from the AP section of the dlrp website :-)
Thanks Smurfy, I plan to try it out this weekend. :thumbs:
Quote from: "claire2281"However money is obviously an issue. Europe is in a bad state financially
Better to have not built it then.
QuoteI think you're vastly underestimating how simple these so called carnival rides are. The UK theme parks have teething problems with even the simplest of their rides because they are complex systems no matter if it's a big thrill coaster or not.
So its nothing to do with the fact these sort of rides are built and designed by an outside company not connected to the park. If Carnival rides of this type are such complex systems like many of you say, what a foolish decision by Disney to add them to a park that needs much needed ride capacity. They is no excuse it was a stupid move by the park to add these rides when its well documented how unreliable the ride systems are on these rides. Make as many excuses for Disney as you want but I don't see TSMM when it first opened, having these sort of teething problems.
QuoteI have a (not cheap) baby monitor that recently just stopped working after a few months. Its a piece of plastic with a few wires but in your line of reasoning its not allowed to do that... after all its a generic product that everyone can buy.
The difference is you are a consumer buying a manufactured product. You have no say in how its put together. Disney on the other hand have a whole team who's job it is to check over all the mechanics of a ride system.
QuoteBetter to have not built it then.
:D He's got a point!
@RiverRogue
When you say "wrote the French spiels and copy" don't you simply mean, he translated the American spiels and copy into French? Besides, how many minutes of dialogue are used in Toy Story Playland? There can't be that much.
I'd just like to see interviews with the people that actually designed the attractions. Who are they? Where are they?
Quote from: "Malin"The difference is you are a consumer buying a manufactured product. You have no say in how its put together. Disney on the other hand have a whole team who's job it is to check over all the mechanics of a ride system.
All products bought on the market are tested before they go on the market... You seem to think Disney custom build their rides from scratch and they dont. And you also seem to think that other theme parks dont have teams to over look the smooth running of rides. There does seem to be some part of you that seems to think because its a Disney Theme Park that it and its rides shouldnt be subjected to the normal goings on in a standard theme park.
Yes it IS a Disney Park and Disney are known for a certain standard. However they are not immune to mistakes, ride mishaps and shut downs that every other non disney park suffers from. Perhaps for one second you should take off your tinted glasses and hatred for TSPL and actually realise that ride shut downs happen every where around the world on all caliber of rides. I can assure you that even if they were rides that you loved, were themed to your taste and you loved everything about them there would still be teething problems. However because you would be looking more positively on the area you would be more forgiving and be less critical.
Is is sad I am loving our little debate on ride mechanics? :lol:
Every ride has teething problems and as it has been said, no amount of testing can stop it. Look at Kobra at Chessington, new this year and it still breaks down for long periods. No ride is immune from technical difficulties so this is to be expected. As for testing, the Parachute Drop is a different model to those in DCA and TDS so I think that makes it a prototype?
Quote from: "Malin"If Carnival rides of this type are such complex systems like many of you say, what a foolish decision by Disney to add them to a park that needs much needed ride capacity. They is no excuse it was a stupid move by the park to add these rides when its well documented how unreliable the ride systems are on these rides.
Very, very few new rides ever open without teething problems. Heck, IIRC a piece of Rush actually fell off of the ride and Thorpe aren't exactly some crappy little backwater park.
Adding three rides two the Studios was a good idea, particularly considering what they've got coming in Ratatouille. I love that RC and Parachute drop are unique in the park. I mean, I adore RnRC but it is just a much superior version of Space Mountain. Ratatouille doesn't, as yet, seem to be anything the park hasn't done before albeit with a different theme. I'm looking forward to it, but I like the variety.
And I'm amazed by the silliness of still referring to these as carnival rides. I presume people understand the concept that you need to have smaller rides as well as the big ones (Dumbo, anyone?). Have people never played Rollercoaster Tycoon? :D :P
Quote from: "claire2281"Quote from: "Malin"If Carnival rides of this type are such complex systems like many of you say, what a foolish decision by Disney to add them to a park that needs much needed ride capacity. They is no excuse it was a stupid move by the park to add these rides when its well documented how unreliable the ride systems are on these rides.
Very, very few new rides ever open without teething problems. Heck, IIRC a piece of Rush actually fell off of the ride and Thorpe aren't exactly some crappy little backwater park.
Adding three rides two the Studios was a good idea, particularly considering what they've got coming in Ratatouille. I love that RC and Parachute drop are unique in the park. I mean, I adore RnRC but it is just a much superior version of Space Mountain. Ratatouille doesn't, as yet, seem to be anything the park hasn't done before albeit with a different theme. I'm looking forward to it, but I like the variety.
And I'm amazed by the silliness of still referring to these as carnival rides. I presume people understand the concept that you need to have smaller rides as well as the big ones (Dumbo, anyone?). Have people never played Rollercoaster Tycoon? :D :P
Yep, you're right. Dumbo, the Lancelot Carrousel,... are carnival rides.
QuoteYou seem to think Disney custom build their rides from scratch and they dont.
while most of the ride components are built by other companies. It is all built under the plans provided by Disney. Imagineering is not just about drawing nice concept art. The group is comprised of various depts that over see all aspects of the ride from start to finish.
QuoteI can assure you that even if they were rides that you loved, were themed to your taste and you loved everything about them there would still be teething problems.
Hmm ok lets keep this qoute to one side and see if the Little Mermaid at DCA develope's teething when it opens next year. Despite the spin you put on it, not every new attraction at Disney has teething problems when first opening. And several of them are far more complicated ride systems to what we have at TSPL. Also it was at one stage a given that Disney attractions would go though a much more thorough ride testing. Before opening to the public. With TSPL I guess the ball was dropped. Especially when people compare the shutdown's to similar problems that Alton Towers has had. Providing the standards are in line with what Thorpe Park is doing, its good enough for Disney right.
QuoteIs is sad I am loving our little debate on ride mechanics?
Not at all and we are proving we can have a good debate without insulting or upsetting each other. People should take note to how its done ;)
QuoteAdding three rides two the Studios was a good idea, particularly considering what they've got coming in Ratatouille. I love that RC and Parachute drop are unique in the park. I mean, I adore RnRC but it is just a much superior version of Space Mountain. Ratatouille doesn't, as yet, seem to be anything the park hasn't done before albeit with a different theme. I'm looking forward to it, but I like the variety.
Well I'm looking for quality and RC Racer and Parachute Jump are nothing unique that can't be found at any other park in Europe. And no other attraction at the Studios is like Ratatouille. For the start the park has no dark rides.
QuoteAnd I'm amazed by the silliness of still referring to these as carnival rides. I presume people understand the concept that you need to have smaller rides as well as the big ones (Dumbo, anyone?). Have people never played Rollercoaster Tycoon?
I googled Carnival Rides on Google images and rides similar in scale to what we have at TSPL all came up.
I'm not an expert of ride mechanics, but for me the new TSPL rides look like they are from off the shelf you can find in many other parks. That's why I think these rides shouldn't break down so often, because the system has been used in other parks as well. It's not an omnimoover or a rollercoaster.
Wasn't it supposed to have two parachute towers, but Disney doubled the ride capacity of one tower. Maybe that's a reason why the tower has technical problems, because the tower isn't constructed for such an increase of riders.
Once again, any and all attractions have frequent technical problems... whether they're new or not. Most of the time this is not because of actual mechanical failure but -- when not directly caused by riders (happens a lot) or operators (a bit less so) -- due to safety systems programmed to shut a ride down at the slightest risk of a problem. Parachute Drop may not be an EMV, but you won't argue that there's no safety concern at stake here... To clarify, though, I don't know what the problems are in the case of these specific shutdowns, and frankly I don't give them enough importance to bother finding out.
QuoteWhen you say "wrote the French spiels and copy" don't you simply mean, he translated the American spiels and copy into French? Besides, how many minutes of dialogue are used in Toy Story Playland? There can't be that much.
I don't know what he did and to what extent, I was guessing. He did work on it from what I know; apart from that he's the person in charge of documenting the stories and nomenclature of the resort which gives another reason to go to him.
QuoteI'd just like to see interviews with the people that actually designed the attractions.
So do I, but as I pointed out French mainstream media won't go to lengths to accommodate us on that.
QuoteWho are they? Where are they?
They're a bunch of Imagineers in Glendale, California. ;)
This is gonna be short be cause I am on my phone (heading to Chester for a wedding so my silence this weekend will be due to me not being around lol)
off the shelf rides are still complex macines and still go wrong all the time. As I said Vortex had countless problems when it first opened and sometimes problems don't present themselves until they are in full constant use. And it is true shut downs can be caused by guests. Colossus was closed for a massive portion of it's opening year because a girl did something really stupid and the ride carriges had to be re designed, it was something no one would have even thought about during testing. Also shut downs can be caused by operators. Quantum shut down loads the year I was there (it wasn't a new ride at this point) and it we found out it was because one thing was being done before another on the control panel and it just shut the ride down half way through the ride!
So rides are not predictable and some problems can't be found until they are in proper use. It's just the nature with mechanics unfortunatly. (and wow what a long post from a phone lol)
I have not seen anyone post a link to this article from the Independant. But very interesting read and it qoute's this very forum. Toy Story Playland fans may want to turn away now!
Quote"When the concepts were shown at the [Disney fan] Expo last year, they even apparently drew audible boos," says Anthony Sheridan, editor of Disney fan site DLRP Magic. Reaction worsened when photos leaked out showing the new rides under construction. "'I've seen it with my own eyes today. It looks ugly, there is no excuse for this in the park," wrote one Disney fan on DLRP Magic. Another added that "it would have been better if the budget had been spent on one attraction instead of three quite standard funfair attractions".
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Thanks for the link. It's good that there are also negative articles about TSPL, so that Disney knows that there are people who aren't happy with TSPL. Hopefully it makes Disney to think about it and to realize that they have to do better attractions.
My concern is that Disney won't listen to the negative feedback coming off message boards like this or the odd negative article in the press. Something tells me this lesson won't be realised until the mistake is made again in Hong Kong. Although don't expect an easy ride with the Asian media like has mostly been the case over in Europe.
Disney know it can do better rides. But when you have a market like Europe why bother. The fans don't seem to mind the lower standards and the Media don't seem to notice. Disney tried this crap in California and is now having to pay the $1 billion bill to do the job again. The fans refused to step foot in the park and the media ripped it apart. It was even joked about on a couple of Simpsons episodes.
mmm, not sure if a TNC like Disney even should be paying that much attention to fan boards anyway. They are for us to share views and can only represent a particular part of the market for a company like Disney. I suspect their market research may be a tad more sophisticated than that. There would be real dangers for any company in allowing itself to be steered too much by fans,as it always had to strive to gain increased market share, no company can succeed in trying to keep a very small percentage of its customers happy all the time. The bottom line will be changes in attendance and spend per head given expenditure laid out. You cleary know what you like Malin and that's cool, and it's obviously based on your own extensive experience of Disney parks, but what if Disney made your perfect park? would it necessarily be everyone else's perfect park too? I see TSPL as a clever piece of balancing merchandise potential, timing, balance to the wider the park and type of ride. Don't get me wrong, there are parts to this area that I would have preferred to see differently but it feels like they achieved what they set out too. But this gets to one of those key issues that seems to divide fans I suppose, is it OK to be happy with a corporate move if it brings overall commercial success? or are there core seated Disney values that hold some kind of final say over projects? I'm guessing here but it seems that TSPL feels like another step away from the 'values' aspect of Disney for some fans, while for others they maybe appreciate it in different ways.
It's a relief to me that this debate has moved away from the persons involved but I suspect that for some, Disney may never behave quite like it used to, while for others, this new Disney IS the Disney they are used to. I think this happens with all things and the danger is it divides those people who love it for all it's flaws.
Anyhoo, 2 glasses of wine and I'm burbling. Alway nice to hear what you guys have got to say :)
Quote from: "Malin"My concern is that Disney won't listen to the negative feedback coming off message boards like this or the odd negative article in the press. Something tells me this lesson won't be realised until the mistake is made again in Hong Kong. Although don't expect an easy ride with the Asian media like has mostly been the case over in Europe.
Disney know it can do better rides. But when you have a market like Europe why bother. The fans don't seem to mind the lower standards and the Media don't seem to notice. Disney tried this crap in California and is now having to pay the $1 billion bill to do the job again. The fans refused to step foot in the park and the media ripped it apart. It was even joked about on a couple of Simpsons episodes.
I think history will repeat itself and in ten years the parks has to be fixed with a lot of money. There is just one problem. US visitors complained a lot about DCA, while no one complains about WDS. So Disney might think, everything is fine.
If Disney is fixing the park in the future, I can imagine that some parts of TSPL will be removed or replaced. I think that WDI will transform the whole Toon Studio area into a Pixar themed land like they did in DHS.
No one complains about WDS? Fans have been complainig about WDS since 2002. I dont have a problem with WDC putting alot of money into WDS. As long as WDC pay the costs and don't pass the debts on to EuroDIsney, who are having enough problems paying back the money they already owe. That much was made clear in the article in the Independent. I like WDS, but you can't say people don't complain about it or TSPL. I don't understand your logic. But WDC will have to cough up the money if they want to transform the WDS in the way you think they should. And they've already sunk millions and millions in to DLP, with little financial reward as far as I can see.
Quote from: "ed-uk"No one complains about WDS? I dont have a problem with WDC putting alot of money into WDS. As long as WDC pay the costs and not pass the depts on to EuroDIsney, who are having enough problems paying back the money they already owe. That much was made clear in the article. I like WDs, but you can't say people don't complain about it or TSPL. I don't understand your logic.
I think that's the main problem that DLP is owned by a company that doesn't belong to TWDC. Why should TWDC invest heavily in DLP when the don't have the majority. That's the same problem HKDL had. There TWDC is now investing a lot of money, because TWDC gets 5% of the joint venture. Maybe TWDC would invest more money when they get more stocks of ED SCA.
What I wanted to say that people don't complain at Disney about WDS. Most of them complain on internet forums. In addition in the US the media didn't like DCA and so TWDC was under pressure to fix it, because it isn't good to be in the news with bad coverage. The biggest problem was of course that the attendance numbers weren't as high as expected. I don't know how Disney thinks about the attendance numbers of WDS. In defense for ED SCA, I have the feeling that the company is neglected by Burbank. It deserves more attention.
I also like WDS, despite being the worst Disney parks I've evr been, I think the park improved a lot in recent years. In fact I like some of the WDS attractions better than their counterparts in Florida. I don't know if you like TSPL or not, you may already know that I think that it shouldn't have been built. As you said ED SCA is having a lot of financial problems and that's why I think they money for TSPL should have been usedfor something else. But I agree with you that the costs shouldn't be passed on ED SCA.
Quote from: "Malin"I have not seen anyone post a link to this article from the Independant. But very interesting read and it qoute's this very forum. Toy Story Playland fans may want to turn away now!
Quote"When the concepts were shown at the [Disney fan] Expo last year, they even apparently drew audible boos," says Anthony Sheridan, editor of Disney fan site DLRP Magic. Reaction worsened when photos leaked out showing the new rides under construction. "'I've seen it with my own eyes today. It looks ugly, there is no excuse for this in the park," wrote one Disney fan on DLRP Magic. Another added that "it would have been better if the budget had been spent on one attraction instead of three quite standard funfair attractions".
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Hey, Anthony made the Independent. That's cool, that's cool.
QuoteHey, Anthony made the Independent. That's cool, that's cool.
Yeah, indeed. Congratulations! I surely hope the journalist got your quotes somewhat right.
But reading the article I stumbled across this:
QuoteThe company isn't leaving anything to chance; these rides are seen as key to Disneyland Paris's economic future.
I must say, my jaw dropped to the floor after reading this. And not in a gentle sort of way, rather in the sort of way that leaves a nasty dent in the floor and leaves you counting your teeth afterwards.
For once, I hope this is just a gross misunderstanding. Or... do they really believe somewhere up there that they can save the resorts financial future with the addition of three off-the-shelve kiddie rides? The kind of rides anybody can get at countless other occasions?
Has it come to this, that they believe they can create magic by just putting a sticker with a brandname on a standard product? Maybe they can open a permanent funfair at one of their parkinglots and call that the third gate then...
For me, this little expansion always has been some kind of queue-absorbent. People that hapily queue more than an hour for one of those rides won't be queueing at the rides worth visiting. I've never seen any reason at all to plan a visit to go see it.
And that's the argument I hear all around me. I had already quite some people ask me something like this: Hey, they opened a new "park" in Disneyland Paris? Something for kids? Some playland with 3 kiddie rides in it, is that right? My answer: mostly right yeah. Their answer: Oh... no need to go see that. Do you know when they open up a new REAL ride?
So there you have it (at least from me)... Most people I encounter and talk about it are NOT being motivated in any way to spend another visit to the park any time soon by this little additions. And I cannot blame them. There is nothing inspiring about those rides if you ask me. Almost anything there is to experience is hidden in plain sight. You exactly know what's going to happen on any of those rides. No magic, no dark, hidden, storyline. Just a small kick after standing in line for quite a while.
I hope they still have some cash left to fix things, after they wake up from their current rush. They going to need it to build something worthwile. Something that really draws a crowd again. Or, maybe they just start to get the resort back to its former self and start advertising what they have already in a right way...
Well, we are back and exhausted. I will get my photos and trip report up later, but I thought I would chime in about TSPL. In short, a mixed review here:
We went to WDSP on Saturday and took advantage of the AP exclusive EMH, which we were very grateful for. I promised not to pass comment and ruin it for the kids or our friends that we travelled with.
After we went through the main DLP security checks (the WDSP ones were closed), we headed left at the Imagineering statue and the Front Lot cast members checked our passes and we were ushered through towards the park.
We then queued at the gates, and we were let in at 8:30 (not bad going effort by the children as we had been in DLP until 11:30 the night before having gotten up at 4:00am to go the park - hard core kids). We quickly trotted through Studio 1 and turned right through Toon Studios. When the kids saw Buzz, they went ballistic with excitement, especially when he spoke (though Mikey - age 7 - asked why he was here and in Discoveryland). And the kids were very excited to see the land and discover things about it. For this reason, I am sure there will be glowing praise in some quarters. And as I have said before, having greenery and nooks and crannies to explore a little has added to what has been missing in this park. Also, there are some nice touches as everyone knows, and as I said before the queues are pretty well done.
However, my prophesies (that others too agreeed) were proven in this land. There were barriers around some of the photo points such as the jeep in the Parachute queue, and the RC racer that was designed for people to sit in. In this latter case, he barriers were not see through, so children couldn't even see the majority of it :-(
Onto the attractions now. We first headed off to Slinky Zig Zag spin as we thought the kids would enjoy that the most. Sadly, it was 101 and they did not know when it would be back up :-( An attraction that is in carnivals around the globe, the kids were disappointed.
They were not sure whether they wanted to go on the parachutes, but we talked them into it and got in line. Thankfully first thing in the morning for EMH, it was posted as a 10 minute wait, and took 15. It was a slow loader, I can only imagine what it is like during a busy time. The queue was quite impressive as it did feel like we were shrunk to the size of a toy, and my friend and I waxed lyrical about how we used to play with them.
We boarded the chutes, but sadly being in threes, we all had to split up (oh well, with twos it would have been the same.
Now, this attraction was surprisingly fun. The kids adored it, aspecially when it jolted at the top. But I stand by my capacity concerns. An attraction of this sort is fine at a less crowded park, but for a Disney park, it still needs more capacity (3 or 4 towers perhaps). Though the athetic impact out of the land, still annoys me greatly). But it was a lot of fun. By the time we got off, it was still early into AP EMH and the wait was posted at 45 minutes. By the middle of the day, it was up to 2 hours. It is fun for a 10, maybe even a 20 minute wait, but 2 hours is crazy. Even though the crowd levels may subside, I doubt the impact will be much (given the waits can still be long for Cars, Crush and Carpets).
Checking on Slinky Dog, still closed and about 6 engineers are stood looking at it. So we weigh up RC Racer. Our friends want to try it and Mikey is amazingly tall enough for it (where did the time go), whereas Jessica (age 5 and Eva age 4 are too short and dying to try it). We agree to do babyswitch, with Mark and Amanda riding together (first time since becoming parents they have been able to do a thrill ride together!!! Yay), and Mike and I.
Now I was warned by a cast member friend of mine that on top of it having height restrictions, it also is not great for tall or broad guests either. I was advised to ask the cast member at the front to see if we could try before queuing. When we did, we were told to get in line and find out when we board :-(. Hopefully this was the response because it was EMH, and the queue was a 15 minute wait. I would have been livid if it were 2 hours (the posted wait times later in the day), because as you may have guessed, my friend Mark and I were too big for it. Having been on almost every attraction in Disneyland, DCA, the MK, Epcot, DHS, DAK, DLP and WDSP, for the first time in 35 years, I was too big for an attraction in a Disney park (and before anyone says it, I am much lighter now than I have been in 8 years). Not happy. Mikey was very upset because after getting the guts to ride it, Daddy could not. Thankfully my friend Amanda went on it with him, but I felt terrible about myself and this attraction.
Mikey rode it screaming covering his eyes. And when they got off, he said he wanted to do it again, and Amanda by the end of the holiday said for her it was a high point and scarier than Space Mountain - lol. For me it left a bitter taste.
Sarah and Mikey then went through the exit for baby switch and rode again. He loved it again (though he covered his eyes again) and Sarah came off saying it was alright, but I hadn't missed much (I do wonder if that was her way of trying to make me feel better).
We then explored the back of the playland and the kids loved Rex (I must confess with the sound effects I thought it cool too). And they repaired the damage to the bottom of it. The shop was cute, but it sold the same TS stuff you can find all over the resort, and we proceeded through the barrel tunnel which was cute. As we emmerged out the otherside into the PAris street, I then got excited by the trees, lamps and benches. That was the best part of TSPL IMHO.
By the time we left, the rest of the park was open and Crush had a 90 minute queue and Cars 20 mins by 10:00 am (growing later). So did it help capacity, marginally, but not enough to feel it. It will likely be busy all the time, like Dumbo, but I would not want to do this in the winter (brrrr).
So I spoke with them this morning, and asked for their views:
Kids - it is fun, but lots of questions - why is Rex smaller than Buzz? Why did we not feel like we were shrinking? Why was daddy not able to ride RC? Funny stuff.
Sarah's view was that it was cute and fun, but belongs somewhere like Alton Towers.
My view is we have to live with this waste of capital investment. It will be popular, but will also likely lead to complaints. And I am concerned for what WDI Paris do in the future. But the greenery is nice.
And having met with several hard core DIsney fans, web masters and cast members this weekend, they said they feel similar but have not written about it because either:
a) they don't want to put a downer on other people's enjoyment
b) they do not wished to be identified by Disney for fear of repurcussions
c) they cannot be bothered.
Hmmmmm, interesting.
Fantastic review davewasbaloo !!! Yours was the one review that I was really interested to see as you have been so vocal about TSPL . It seems it is not too bad , though of course a lot of us wanted something else instead , but it is here and staying ! But I am just stunned that RC Racer has so many size restrictions , it seems very un -Disney to make a ride like this , as you said yourself I have never seen a ride in the parks with this type of limit to it.
Were the seats exceptionally small with tight legroom ? did they squeeze in extra seats across , which made less room ?
The review in the Times the other week gave it an okay thumbs up , but the journalist did wonder why Woody was nowhere to be seen !
It was a case that you have an over the shoulder restraint that you pull down and then lock a seatbelt from the seat into it. I could not get the two buckles to meet as my shoulders stopped it. Yet I am ok on Nemesis, the Vampire and other coasters around the globe, as well as everything Disney has ever done.
On one level you could say it is for safety, but I can ride the Revolution at Blackpool, and Montezuma's Revenge at Knott's, and they even have loops in them. AS far as the ride goes, my wife says it is not much different than a pirate ship.
Like I say, we are unlikely to enter again unless things are a walk on, or I want to take pics of Rat being built (I have pics of the cleared ground which I will get up later).
The verbal feedback I heard from various people there at the same time were not good. Whereas Capt Eo had a great response. Interesting. FWIW we made it a point to repeat Capt Eo ;)
Oh, I should say, the soundtrack is very good too.
I will get a trip report and photos up, but in the meantime, here are the new barriers:
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The Barriers does'nt look nice. I hope they fix it to something better soon. [-o<
Dave, great feedback. Whilst I am shocked regarding RC, overall correct me if I'm wrong, but you could see some value added to the park from TSPL?
I was/am in your camp with my thoughts on the area, but was interested to note that it seemed to appeal to your kids? I'm getting the feeling that an every day visitor (I mean that with respect, couldn't think of a better term) would be happy with the attractions that have been added?
Well, as I say, the greenery and levels, with a chance to explore are welcome, as I have been saying throughout. And I think some will enjoy, though some will likely enjoy anything Disney would produce.
I am ashamed to say (but I always promised the truth), my kids played with their Buzz and Woody toys for the first time in a while and wanted a Toy Story bedtime story tonight. So yes, I think it has an impact.
Though I did ask my kids whether they preferred TSPL or the new Wild Asia are at Chessington, and Wild Asia was the winner from both of them.
Here's a photo of Wild Asia at Chessington, which davewasbaloo keeps referring to. Personally I much prefer the look of Toy Story Playland :-)
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That's not fair, there are some much nicer areas:
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Welcome back :)
I have been waiting for your TSPL review with some great anticipation.
QuoteWhen the kids saw Buzz, they went ballistic with excitement, especially when he spoke (though Mikey - age 7 - asked why he was here and in Discoveryland). And the kids were very excited to see the land and discover things about it. For this reason, I am sure there will be glowing praise in some quarters. And as I have said before, having greenery and nooks and crannies to explore a little has added to what has been missing in this park. Also, there are some nice touches as everyone knows, and as I said before the queues are pretty well done.
The Buzz statue is very unusual indeed. Would of been a better idea to use Woody like seen in the concept art for Hong Kong Disneyland. The absense of Woody is very strange since he's heavily featured in the advertising for this area. Is there much more to this area that hasn't already been shown in the several thousands of pictures shown since its opening last week?
I don't think we can ever dispute the latest addition to the Studios has some nice touches. But unfortunately the negatives seem to far outweigh the few positives. As is the impression I get from your review. While I have another three weeks to go until I can check over the details myself in person. I have to admit the queue's seem much more detailed than what is normal for carnival rides of this type. And in my view trying its Imagineering way of trying to hide over the fact these are still very basic carnival rides. Some of the lines are more detailed than what you would expect to find on a Fantasyland c ticket dark ride.
QuoteOnto the attractions now. We first headed off to Slinky Zig Zag spin as we thought the kids would enjoy that the most. Sadly, it was 101 and they did not know when it would be back up An attraction that is in carnivals around the globe, the kids were disappointed.
But Dave like others have said these rides are complicated machines and its to be expected that rides of this nature can experience technical problems during the opening months. Just look at Alton Towers ;)
QuoteNow I was warned by a cast member friend of mine that on top of it having height restrictions, it also is not great for tall or broad guests either. I was advised to ask the cast member at the front to see if we could try before queuing. When we did, we were told to get in line and find out when we board . Hopefully this was the response because it was EMH, and the queue was a 15 minute wait. I would have been livid if it were 2 hours (the posted wait times later in the day), because as you may have guessed, my friend Mark and I were too big for it. Having been on almost every attraction in Disneyland, DCA, the MK, Epcot, DHS, DAK, DLP and WDSP, for the first time in 35 years, I was too big for an attraction in a Disney park (and before anyone says it, I am much lighter now than I have been in 8 years). Not happy. Mikey was very upset because after getting the guts to ride it, Daddy could not. Thankfully my friend Amanda went on it with him, but I felt terrible about myself and this attraction.
Thats fairly sad. Once upon a time Disney use to make rides where one size fits all. I do believe this attraction was originally meant to have less riders. But more seats were added to meet capacity. Its possible the safety restraints were made smaller to allow more space for seats. This sucks in my view and is against what Walt stood for and the whole reason he built Disneyland. A place where the whole family could have fun together. The Walt Disney Studios park continues to be the place where everything Walt stood for is overlook. And its a real slap in the face to this man's legacy to have his name over the entrance. It looks like I'm unlikely going to be able to ride RC Racer either, although it makes no difference as I had no intention of doing it. Since I'm an adult and grew out of carnival rides about 20 years a go. Hopely the kids will do the same, although I can't imagine it being fun riding without Daddy.
QuoteAnd having met with several hard core DIsney fans, web masters and cast members this weekend, they said they feel similar but have not written about it because either:
a) they don't want to put a downer on other people's enjoyment
b) they do not wished to be identified by Disney for fear of repurcussions
c) they cannot be bothered.
Never mind I'll be over in Paris in a few short weeks. I plan a full trip report and I will not be holding back on what I think to this place. Thanks for the review. And look forward to reading the rest of your trip report. :D
QuoteQuoteHere's a photo of Wild Asia at Chessington, which davewasbaloo keeps referring to. Personally I much prefer the look of Toy Story Playland
So care to be more specific on why don't you like Wild Asia, but love TSPL?
Or was the comment made with the intention of trying to stir things up.
From the photo shown it appears this sort of ride belongs at Chessington. Can't say the same thing for TSPL fitting in at Disney.
Them barriers around the small RC are clearly temporary, but what are they for?
And it seems crazy about being too tall for RC. I'm 6'3", am I too tall?
Possibly Martyn, but I am fat too. But at 6'2'' and having a 50 inch waist it was a no go.
Thanks James, and yes, you have pretty much seen it all in the pics.
I'm sorry but there is far more bare steel at Wild Asia, I have experienced it twice this year and rather than finding new details I found more 'bad show'. It should also be noted the Wild Asia rides are carnival rides (except the bird walkthrough)
Quote from: "SM:M3"It should also be noted the Wild Asia rides are carnival rides (except the bird walkthrough)
Hence the comparison, and the reason why I do not think TSPL should have ever been built in a Disney park.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Possibly Martyn, but I am fat too. But at 6'2'' and having a 50 inch waist it was a no go.
Thanks James, and yes, you have pretty much seen it all in the pics.
I've seen some large guests struggle to get on AIR at Alton before with the ride operators all but standing on the restraint to try to get it shut.
I do wonder if it's a matter of getting the smaller guests in too though. I'm only 5ft3 and a UK size 12 so I'm fairly average-y. I do often get thrown around more in rides than my brother who is 6ft and average weight. Perhaps they could have put larger restraints in but it would have meant upping the height restriction.
There is actually a mechanism rides can use that lengthen or shorten the straps, and Nemisis has "Big" seats that give a little more room for up to 2 riders. There are ways to do this. You will be fine I suspect as my 7 year only rode it.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"There is actually a mechanism rides can use that lengthen or shorten the straps, and Nemisis has "Big" seats that give a little more room for up to 2 riders. There are ways to do this. You will be fine I suspect as my 7 year only rode it.
I'm sure I will - I'm fine on over the shoulder restraints, although I do often get my ears boxed on SM.
Looking at the photos I've seen of RC, I don't think it could fit big seats in without losing ride capacity which is obviously not ideal.
Did you find it was the belt that was the problem or the OTSR not being able to come down?
I do wonder if the nature of the ride means it requires tighter restraints than a standard coaster. After all, you spend a lot of a coaster being forced into your seat by the G. If RC is like a swinging ship then I should image there is more air time. A bit like AIR actually which has some of the tightest restraints I've ever felt on a ride!
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"That's not fair, there are some much nicer areas:
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Ok, fair point. I was just trying to give an example of what Wild Asia looks like. It was the best photo I could find on Flickr.
Boy has this topic died a death, hope that doesnt mean the rides have too. Do we know if they are still having "technical" problems, are the que times still up to 2 hours? Anyone?
Anyone know if the barriers are still up?
QuoteBoy has this topic died a death, hope that doesnt mean the rides have too. Do we know if they are still having "technical" problems, are the que times still up to 2 hours? Anyone?
Does anyone care anymore. This place is one massive disappointment. I think the only reasons this thread recieved so much attention in the first place was because you had Members like davewasbaloo and Timmy speaking out against the place which kept the discussion going. Now that the place is built and everyone can see in person how crap this place actually is, the need to defend it has gone. Personally I feel that there is more going on in the world of Disney that deserves my attention than anything thats going on in Paris at the moment. Next year for instance Disneyland will be debuting a new parade, Mickey's Soundsational and Star Tours II. Disney's California Adventure opens the Little Mermaid. Tokyo DisneySea celebrates its 10th Anniversary with a new Fantasmic show. Oh and Hong Kong Disneyland will also be celebrating its 5th Anniversary which will include a new Parade. Aulani opens in Hawai and the D23 Expo returns. And what do we have to look forward to in Paris another lame Festival.
Everyone do yourself a massive favour. Unless you can't afford it. Please take your Disney Holidays else where next year. Because I just don't feel Disneyland Paris deserves your hard earned Euro. When all it can offer you back is cheap Carnival rides.
i'm looking forward to TSPL opening at HKDL in 2011/12. I wonder how people will react to it there? i expect many Disney theme park fans will like it better in the magic kingdom at HKDL. Or should we do ourselves a massive favour and not go there? New parade for their 5th or not. Boycott DLP and it'll go bankrupt and we'll never have to go there again. I will be going back to DLP next year.
Sorry Malin, I have to disagree, I don't see TSPL as a massive disappointment and I think your suggestion that people should avoid DLRP because it somehow only has carnival rides to offer now seems a bit churlish to be honest. But yes, there are far more interesting things going on around the world and this area is now complete with people either enjoying it or not. Davewasbaloo has made some very interesting observations about this project as well as many others, I'm not sure what you are hoping to do with this thread by suggesting a boycott, personally I suspect that the real reason there is little to add to this topic is precisely because there is little more to add except perhaps people whatever their views on it trying to claim some kind of victory, which seems very pointless. It's all there for everyone to see or go to if they wish, I'd be amazed if it somehow puts people off going. But hey, you obviously care deeply about Disney to have such strong feelings about it. Smiley faces to try to stop the tone being misread :)
I do think a part of this dying down is the fact it is now open. People may post in here as they experience it I suppose.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I do think a part of this dying down is the fact it is now open. People may post in here as they experience it I suppose.
We are just back from our 7th trip to DLP this year.
We visited Toy Story Playland for the first time and it looks GREAT.
Tree canival-rides that are themed, like only Disney can do...
The rides aren't the best rides of the resort but they are a nice addition to the park.
I'm sure not everybody will like these rides, but I think that's the same for all the other rides.
QuoteBoycott DLP and it'll go bankrupt and we'll never have to go there again. I will be going back to DLP next year.
The place is heading in that direction anyway. Its got an abysmal Management team in place. The 30% savings you all enjoy is really cutting into the profits. And to cut back on the losses obtained thanks to the heavy discounts the Resort is slashing bugets for everything. Shorter opening hours, Entertainment and maintenance are just a few areas. The average working family works hard to be able to afford to take the family away for a vacation to Disneyland Paris. And what thanks do you get for supporting the Mouse in Europe. We've not had a new E Ticket for the Disneyland park in years. We are treated to the same entertainment every year, most of it recyled and promoted as something new for what ever silly festival is being celebrated this year. And to top it all off this year the park wasted several millions on a bunch of cheap tacky carnival rides. I don't see why anyone should visit this place when so many other Disney Parks continue to do it so much better.
QuoteI'm not sure what you are hoping to do with this thread by suggesting a boycott, personally I suspect that the real reason there is little to add to this topic is precisely because there is little more to add except perhaps people whatever their views on it trying to claim some kind of victory, which seems very pointless.
I just don't want to see people waste money on a Disney park that seems to offer very little in return to thank Guests for supporting there Resort over either another Disney Resort or a park closer to home. Disneyland California is getting Star Tours II, Soundsational, Little Mermaid, Buena Vista Street and Cars Land. We get a lame Festival and a few carnival rides. It just upsets me to see so many people missing out on so much fun because of some loyalty there have over Disneyland Paris.
QuoteIt's all there for everyone to see or go to if they wish, I'd be amazed if it somehow puts people off going.
I'm not trying to put anyone off visiting. People are free to make up there own minds.
DlP is discounting to encourage people to go the resort at a time when many people are feeling the pinch in what most of us would acknowledge are difficult financial times. The exchange rate between the pound and the Euro isn't as good as it once was. People are also shopping around for holiday bargains. Even in American Disney Resorts have been discounting. We needn't go to HKDL for our Disney holiday that's for sure, because in your words, they're getting "cheap tacky carnival rides", too. We may not have got a new E-ticket ride in Disneyland park for some years, but we did get a new park. And in the last few years we did get TOT, Crushes Coaster and Stitch live, which did help transform the Television building. DLP has made some big investments recently. And with 30% or 40% of the price of the holiday that does soften the blow for many of us. And just to add you may think that DLP has an abysmal management team, but the WDC is the biggest shareholder in EuroDisney. It's the WDC that pulls the strings. They want their royalties and management fees in the future.
QuoteDlP is discounting to encourage people to go the resort at a time when many people are feeling the pinch in what most of us would acknowledge are difficult financial times. The exchange rate between the pound and the Euro isn't as good as it once was. People are also shopping around for holiday bargains. Even in American Disney Resorts have been discounting.
And its coming at a cost. Personally even in this tough economic world I would still prefer to pay full price and have longer park hours, decent entertainment, attractions well maintened. What we have at the moment is a joke. And its all very well bringing Guests over to the Resort on cheaper packages. But its expected that the loss will be made up by higher Guest spending. And thats not been the case. Even with the half board option's which are encouraging Guests to pre pay more on food and visit Restuarants that wouldn't usually be visited. And its having no effect on the bottom line. Working in a place where we have suffered because of the reccesion and consumer confidence in general. The last couple of months have been fantastic. Things are improving and yet I see on the tv Disneyland Paris is still offering 30% off vacation packages. The problem is the consumer has wised up to this last minute discounting and its going to take a lot for Disneyland Paris to move on from this. Why book your package months in advance when you can pick it up later at a discounted price. How many are going to be fairly upset at booking a package 8 months or so in advance, only to see a 30 % discount a few months later. Next time these people will hold back on booking and leave it last minute. Although the cheaper hotel rates should be offered to everyone when you see how dire and poor state the hotel rooms are in now days.
QuoteWe needn't go to HKDL for our Disney holiday that's for sure, because in your words, they're getting "cheap tacky carnival rides", too.
But Hong Kong Disneyland has several other things going for it besides a few cheap carni rides. Shame on you for not looking past this and looking at the bigger picture. For instance the entertainment is first class and the two main stage shows Lion King and Golden Mickey's are miles better than anything offered at Disneyland Paris currently, oh and the park presents nightly firework shows. The place is also well maintened and than we need to look at the special events. Take a look at both Halloween events for Paris and Hong Kong and tell me which one offers a better deal. Glow in the Dark Parade, Walk though mazes, special Halloween fireworks are just a few of the vast offerings available. Whats Paris up to this year for Halloween?
QuoteWe may not have got a new E-ticket ride in Disneyland park for some years, but we did get a new park. And in the last few years we did get TOT, Crushes Coaster and Stitch live, which did help transform the Television building. DLP has made some big investments recently.
We got a new park under funded and all the new additions to that park with the exception of Tower of Terror have been cheap. But you have kind of dodge a question here. When was the last time the Disneyland Park recieved an E Ticket ? All investment is going into the smaller park because it so badly needs ride capacity.
QuoteAnd just to add you may think that DLP has an abysmal management team, but the WDC is the biggest shareholder in EuroDisney. It's the WDC that pulls the strings. They want their royalties and management fees in the future.
But its the Euro Disney Management team that opperate the day to day running of the Resort. These are the people who are in charge of maintening the parks and hotels. Selecting the budgets for the year. Creating new opportunity's to create extra income for the Resort. These are all roles that the Management team fail in. Especially when put against what other Disney owned and opperated themeparks are capable of doing.
Yeah sure HKDL is getting Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Manor but thats only because they haven't got Frontierland and Phantom Manor. And they will also get cheap tacky carnival rides called TSPL. They have Glow in the Dark parade at Halloween. And new fireworks, about time they've had the same fireworks display for 5 years. But no Fantillusion at Christmas and in the summer. Shame on you for looking past these things. Can you recommend HKDL with it's cheap tacky carnival rides? WDS does need ride capacity, thats why they've been building rides there. Maybe EuroDisney doesn't have the same budgets as WDC, something you dodge I think. HKDL doesn't make any money. Not so far. You can't blame EuroDisney if the consumer has wised up to discounts. WDC has been discounting at it's resorts in America, why? HKDL with it's 4,0000 visitors a year one small theme park and 2 hotels. No wonder maintenance isn't a problem.
Discounts are only used to increase profits or retain market share, they're not used to lose money. Sure a company can use loss leading if they want to boost sales in other areas of enterprise, or as I say to gain market share, but the board will looking extremely carefully at pricing so as to maximise profits not lose money, whatever the market conditions. When guest spending and consumer confidence is more bouyant I'm sure we will see reductions in discounting, meanwhile I think the presence of discounts shows us that DLP still has to work very hard to get it's revenues which maybe is why it's business model is currently lower cost than previously. I don't think many guests at the moment will be bemoaning cut prices, for any who have had a great couple of months economy wise I think you're lucky, I'm in the public sector and pay freezes/job cuts are imminent as they are in public sectors across European countries, most of whom are far from in boom times. I don't think there are many pundits predicting consumers returning to bigger spending for some time yet. @Malin, what kind of success have other Disney owned parks had in creating other revenues? Sorry :oops: all off topic.
keeping to topic, is anyone suggesting TSPL will have a different impact on HK than DLP? or that the discounts are related to TSPL?
I have just read through the recent posts and I have to agree with Malin. I think the discounts are the wrong way to help the resort, because I think that people will not spend more in the parks. People have to spend money on food, but they will take the cheap fast food options and I'm sure they don't spend a lot of money on merchandise. People aren't stupid and they realize that the quality and the variety isn't good at DLP. I'm not sure if people return to the resort when the discounts are gone and that will hurt ED SCA in a very bad way.
We will not boycott DLRP, but we decided that if we return, we will not stay in a Disney hotel. Our plan is to save the money for Anaheim or to stay in one of the VI hotels. Let's keep the money in the country :D . The quality of the hotels isn't worth the money. Did you read davewasbaloos trip report. He stayed in the NYH and it is considered the second best DLP hotel and it is also an expensive hotel. Dave reports that the room needs refurb, there was mold in the shower tiles, and the phone socket and a power socket were coming off the wall. That's really bad show.
I'm not sure if TSPL will have a huge impact on HKDL, but I think Grizzly coaster will have. I also think that TSPL will not have any impact on DLP, just because the new land consists only of three smaller rides. In my opinion bigger attractions do have an impact. You just have to look on what SM did back in 1995 and what TOT did a few years ago. In 1995 attendace rose from 8 Mio to over 11 Mio, according to Tim Delaney, designer of Discoveryland and SM. He said this in a podcast he did for "The Season Pass". In 2008 after ToT opened DLRP had record attendance.
QuoteYeah sure HKDL is getting Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Manor but thats only because they haven't got Frontierland and Phantom Manor. And they will also get cheap tacky carnival rides called TSPL.
Two out of three is not bad. And one of the attractions will include AA Bears. The Studios currently doesn't include one single Animatronic. And the Disneyland park strugles to maintened even the most basic ones. I hate the fact these Carnival rides are heading out to Hong Kong. But a few silly rides are not going to ruin the enjoyment for me here. What is offered at the Hong Kong Park is a vast improvement on what you get in Paris. And by the way it will be named Toy Story Land in Hong Kong.
QuoteAnd new fireworks, about time they've had the same fireworks display for 5 years. But no Fantillusion at Christmas and in the summer. Shame on you for looking past these things.
Give me a break the best you can come back with as a defense is Fantillusion. A 15 year old parade that was originally brought over from Tokyo when the park didn't need it no longer. Even than its been massivily scaled down from its original version. And its only performed twice a year. Most Disney night time parade's like Electrical and Dreamlights are performed all nights of the week. This further displays how much of a bad deal Europeans recieve visiting this Resort. And don't knock a 5 year old fireworks show when your defending a Resort that only puts on a 4 -5 minute display two months of the year. And even than its just a bunch of low level pyro going off out of time with the music.
QuoteCan you recommend HKDL with it's cheap tacky carnival rides?
Yes because I believe thats what I have been saying in the last few post's. While the park may be getting Toy Story Carnival Land. The park offers so many wonderful events thought out the year that you can easily avoid even stepping foot in the place when it opens between 2011-2012. Halloween, Christmas, Chinese New Years, Summer and what ever is being planned for the 5th Anniversary. This will be much worth your time than some lame Magical Moments Festival.
QuoteMaybe EuroDisney doesn't have the same budgets as WDC, something you dodge I think. HKDL doesn't make any money. Not so far. You can't blame EuroDisney if the consumer has wised up to discounts. WDC has been discounting at it's resorts in America, why? HKDL with it's 4,0000 visitors a year one small theme park and 2 hotels. No wonder maintenance isn't a problem.
Hong Kong Disneyland also doesn't loose money like the way Disneyland Paris seems to do. Also a little fact for you Hong Kong Disneyland has the highest spending on merchandise of any Resort with the exception of Tokyo. I can blame Euro Disney because it should be trying to come up with better sollutions and more creative ways to draw people to the Resort. The reason WDW is offering the discounts is because its over built. With way too many hotel rooms than what it needs. Another poor decision and where are most of the Euro Disney Management from, yep WDW. I wouldn't mock HKDL attendance as it grew 13% over the Summer, compared to Paris poor 1%. And it met its estimated attendance target for that year. And just because HKDL is a smaller park you don't think it doesn't employ a smaller crew of mentenance to work on the park and hotels?
I'd rather have a scaled back Fantilusion parade than no nighttime parade. I think it makes Christmas and Summer. I love Fantilusion. It might not be new, but it's not as old as MSEP, which has been running since 1972, with some new floats. Anyway HKDL is having Toy Story Land with it's silly Carnival rides, not my words, obviously some people will put up with those types of rides in HKDL, for the sake of their events. But not in the WDS. Maybe they should call it Toy Story Land in Paris instead of TSPL, maybe that would make a difference. I think I'll stick to DLP. They have my favourite rides, Pirates, Peter Pan, BTM, Mark Twain, CineMagique, TOT, Stunt Show, OUAD Parade, their beautiful Castle and dragon lair etc etc. I'll wait and see what their Magical Moments Festival is like. At least it'll be something new. DLP also has Christmas, Halloween, and Summer but I must admit they don't have Chinese New Year, but they do have Bonfire Night. It'll be interesting to see what is being planned for HKDL 5th Anniversary, I'm surprised they haven't already announced it, isn't it this month? Enjoy the Parks you like. And good luck to them. WDW must be the most popular theme park resort in the world. And you think it's over built with hotels. Well they maybe having some problems at the moment, but that wasn't the case two years ago.
Blimey all I did was ask if the technical issues and que times were sorted. Without wanting to start anything else does anyone know? My Sister in law and family are making their first visit and the kids are looking forward to this area I only wanted to pass the information on>
:lol: I think this is the 'venting my spleen' topic now.
Have you tried the individual ride threads for news on ride queues?
Quote from: "Malin"Hong Kong Disneyland also doesn't loose money like the way Disneyland Paris seems to do. Also a little fact for you Hong Kong Disneyland has the highest spending on merchandise of any Resort with the exception of Tokyo. I can blame Euro Disney because it should be trying to come up with better sollutions and more creative ways to draw people to the Resort. The reason WDW is offering the discounts is because its over built. With way too many hotel rooms than what it needs. Another poor decision and where are most of the Euro Disney Management from, yep WDW. I wouldn't mock HKDL attendance as it grew 13% over the Summer, compared to Paris poor 1%. And it met its estimated attendance target for that year. And just because HKDL is a smaller park you don't think it doesn't employ a smaller crew of mentenance to work on the park and hotels?
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I don´t think that that´s the right way to compare things. Hong Kong Disneyland costs nothing compared to DLP. Hong Kong Disneyland have not the high level details as Disneyland Park. Mean: While Hong Kong Disneyland doesn´t
need that much money to pay their bill it´s not something to be happy about it. Attendance grew by 13 % means only that not just 5 people are looking at the daytime parade. But 7.
Discounds and low quality merchandise surely isn´t the right way but comparing Hong Kong Disneyland or statistics about it with DLP is like comparing a Mc D Burger with a candle light diner. (Or DisneySeas with Disney´s California Adventure Premiere Day)
Quote from: "DopeyDad":lol: I think this is the 'venting my spleen' topic now.
Have you tried the individual ride threads for news on ride queues?
:lol:
Maybe I can ask my question again lol.
Are the barriers up around the photo op areas now?
Great video from DLRPFans.be
"John Lasseter talks about TSPL"
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when we were there august 27th-31st the barriers were up
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I received a text from a friend at WDSP today, the R C Racer photo opportunity has been removed.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I received a text from a friend at WDSP today, the R C Racer photo opportunity has been removed.
I suppose that's not an auful thing, I thought it was a little odd having two RC's of different scale's in the same area...
True, but what a waste of money.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"True, but what a waste of money.
Was this meant to be a permant feature or was it temorary for the opening and press launch?
Wow. So I took the last picture of the little RC racer :shock: Two days ago it was still there.
Maybe it is moving to Pizza Planet. The one there looks al little bit outdated, compared to the TSPL one.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I received a text from a friend at WDSP today, the R C Racer photo opportunity has been removed.
Nooooooooooooo :cry: Ive promised my nephew we could have our photo taken there,
Quote from: "Reiana"Maybe it is moving to Pizza Planet. The one there looks al little bit outdated, compared to the TSPL one.
Really hope you are right
It's funny to come back from a few weeks holiday and see everything that's happened since the I was there in the first few days of the land's opening. Extended hours, things breaking, things removed, new fences and barriers, all this stuff they never seem to anticipate and then have to rush to fix.
Most surprising to me are those "Sortie/Exit" signs. It was very noticeable how empty the area around Barrel of Monkeys was compared to the far,
far too busy area outside Parachute Drop, but I didn't expect those. It's a strange layout for a land, having the gift shop right at the back - of
course no one's going to walk out of their way around there, especially when the path isn't on the map! Maybe it'll all work out when Ratatouille arrives and pulls more people through that way.
The area left behind from RC (unless he's returning) would be perfect for a properly themed food/drink vending cart, wouldn't it? That took up a lot of valuable space just for something for kids to climb all over.
Quote from: "johnd331"QuoteHey, Anthony made the Independent. That's cool, that's cool.
Yeah, indeed. Congratulations! I surely hope the journalist got your quotes somewhat right.
That gave me a fright when I was skimming through this topic... My full name! On a newspaper site! Argh! Well, I've been in contact with the author a few times about DLP but didn't expect to be used for quotes, so that's weird. But luckily not too incriminating, nothing negative from my mouth, just a nice way to slip the website in.
sure is great Anthony and nice tos ee the sites mentioned (again!)
2 months after my last post in here I'm back! I've been to WDW and needed to get away from some of the heated discussions.
I don't know what the reaction has been to TSPL (I will be catching up in the coming days) and I don't know what the issues have been (although I've heard about long queues/breakdowns). My judgement is based of videos/photos, as I doubt I will be visiting the resort for a while.
As you may remember I was always an avid defender of TSPL, I liked the concept and my only real issue was the capacity of the rides.
I kinda like the finished product, its better than I was expecting it to be, but it seems in certain areas the theming looks flat and 'meh'. The theme in principal is a good idea, I just don't think it translates brilliantly into real life.
But I think the rides are nicely themed and include some nice touches. (I particularly love the Slinky Dog box and the overall feel of the parachute ride.)
The area as a whole seems to be pretty immersive, something which I think the studios was crying out for. I'm worried about how it will look in 5+ years though, I don't think it will age well.
Overall, I'm happy with TSPL with no huge complaints. Its a solid addition to the park and should be a good filler until Ratatouille arrives. (Although, I can see why people were so negative about TSPL.)
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Interesting story...
I wrote a letter to Disneyland Paris a few months ago, questioning why there was no advertising for Toy Story Playland attached to the film Toy Story 3. It would've been a pretty good opportunity to advertise their new €70 million investment, right?
Well they actually wrote back to me. Well, their legal department wrote back to me. I'm not going to copy and paste every word they wrote, but their basic message was that they're unable to consider or even read anyone's feedback or ideas. They automatically decline all proposals of unsolicited ideas, inventions or suggestions. Disney are basically blind to feedback. They don't want to know. They don't want to read it, and they don't want to hear it.
So, they returned my correspondence to me, having officially ignored everything I wrote.
How can Disney expect to improve and get better if they don't want to hear feedback from their customers?
That vid is nice JelleP :D
Toy Story 3 is soon to be released on bluray. One of it's special features is a sneak peak look at Toy Story Land in Hong Kong Disneyland.
What a fantastic promotional opportunity, missed out by DLRP. Especially when it could have been promoting our Toy Story Playland which is already open!
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I wonder if they are planning a replacment, even a bench or two would be better than an empty space.
Hi all, just got back from Disney (so tired but its so worth it). My quick views on TSPL. The immersive feeling was like nothing else in the studios, it did make us stop and take it all in between rides rather than just running through it all. RC was such a rush but much too short, we entered early with annual passes and so got to ride it 3 times in a row. Its fun, we would probably queue for it once on future trips, but not if the queue was massive. Slinky I admit was dissappointing, we walked straight on and there was no way we would ever queue for it. Great for the little ones though, its a nice gentle ride. The parachute drop suprised me the most, I really thought it was going to be boring but the sudden drops actually make it quite fun :). It was open every day we were there and it was closed for half an hour in the morning in the annual passport preview time but opened up for us before the park opened so I cant really say it was that unreliable.
As for the missing RC... My husband asked the lady standing there where it had gone and she said it had been removed for 2 reasons. One it had been damaged, however she said the main reason was because parents were complaing their kids were falling off it and hurting themselves! Seriously if thats then main excuse does this mean we will also lose Rex too??? Parents need to control their children and the behaviour of the children we saw on this trip made me physically sick!
Edit: I forgot to add that we noticed the storage containers for RC had been removed from the ride and replaced with a shelf on the platform :? though we didnt ask why.
Ok I'm gutted RC has been removed. :(
you can still get a great pic at the entrance to pizza planet :-)
But it's not the same RC Racer. The one at Pizza Planet looks old and out of place.
Or has it been replaced with the one from TSPL?
How long are the ques for the three new attractions in Toystory Playland when it's lowseason at DLPR?
Are now queue on Crush Coaster smaller with TSPL, please?
Quote from: "Alan"Interesting story...
I wrote a letter to Disneyland Paris a few months ago, questioning why there was no advertising for Toy Story Playland attached to the film Toy Story 3. It would've been a pretty good opportunity to advertise their new €70 million investment, right?
Well they actually wrote back to me. Well, their legal department wrote back to me. I'm not going to copy and paste every word they wrote, but their basic message was that they're unable to consider or even read anyone's feedback or ideas. They automatically decline all proposals of unsolicited ideas, inventions or suggestions. Disney are basically blind to feedback. They don't want to know. They don't want to read it, and they don't want to hear it.
So, they returned my correspondence to me, having officially ignored everything I wrote.
How can Disney expect to improve and get better if they don't want to hear feedback from their customers?
They cannot read it because they cannot be influenced by the opinions of those not working for the company. Opinions/ideas legally belong belong to the person making them. If they were to use your idea you could claim against them etc...
I went on RC Racer a few weeks ago. Brilliant ride but needs to last longer. I know that there is only one vehicle and they have to get as much people on as possible but it was over before it begun.
It was so much smaller than i pictured it. Theming is great, but have to admit it is not the expention I hoped for. RC was fun though!
havnt been yet... first time i will see it will be in Jan/feb when i go... but i'm after opinions... what are the 3 new rides like... in my opinion... rc racer looks like it will be an interesting ride... and slinky dog... i will probably give a go of if the queue time is reasonable... but the parachute drop... it looks mind numbingly boring... is it worth it to wait and try it or am i going to need a good cupple of rides on the ToT or RnRC afterwords...???
Quote from: "SwipatronSparks"havnt been yet... first time i will see it will be in Jan/feb when i go... but i'm after opinions... what are the 3 new rides like... in my opinion... rc racer looks like it will be an interesting ride... and slinky dog... i will probably give a go of if the queue time is reasonable... but the parachute drop... it looks mind numbingly boring... is it worth it to wait and try it or am i going to need a good cupple of rides on the ToT or RnRC afterwords...???
RC was great but has such a low capacity. Which goes for all 3 rides. Droptower looks a little boring but... maybe when you are on it its fun, who knows?
Hi im so excited to try Tspl I'm going at Christmas time, I was just wondering as some people have complained about RC racer and restrictions so the larger guest may not be able to fit. I'm a size 16 and around average height, will i have problems with this, I'm fine with everything else in the park, thanks.
I am not sure Stacers. I have been able to ride every attraction Disney has ever made, except RC RAcer. But I am 6 ft 2, have broad shoulders and a 48 inch waist.
theyve removed the bag holder to give bigger guys more room
that won't make a difference to the restraints.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I am not sure Stacers. I have been able to ride every attraction Disney has ever made, except RC RAcer. But I am 6 ft 2, have broad shoulders and a 48 inch waist.
It's an interesting point really. The average UK male now has a waist size of 37inch, female of 34inch. As people get bigger, ride technology is going to have to learn to adapt to that somehow. The only ride at the park that I knew was mentioned as not being suitable for certain body types was Crush.
Conversely, I'm only 5'3", size 10/12 with a 27.5inch waist - I rattle around terribly in some restraints!
Quote from: "claire2281"It's an interesting point really. The average UK male now has a waist size of 37inch, female of 34inch. As people get bigger, ride technology is going to have to learn to adapt to that somehow. The only ride at the park that I knew was mentioned as not being suitable for certain body types was Crush.
Conversely, I'm only 5'3", size 10/12 with a 27.5inch waist - I rattle around terribly in some restraints!
i have found that i do that on big rides too... im only small as well, 5'2" size 8/10 and i rattle aorund something terible on some rides in DLRP namely SM, RnRC and indy (i think that has more to do with the rides than my size though because they are quite rough in general
Quote from: "SwipatronSparks"Quote from: "claire2281"It's an interesting point really. The average UK male now has a waist size of 37inch, female of 34inch. As people get bigger, ride technology is going to have to learn to adapt to that somehow. The only ride at the park that I knew was mentioned as not being suitable for certain body types was Crush.
Conversely, I'm only 5'3", size 10/12 with a 27.5inch waist - I rattle around terribly in some restraints!
i have found that i do that on big rides too... im only small as well, 5'2" size 8/10 and i rattle aorund something terible on some rides in DLRP namely SM, RnRC and indy (i think that has more to do with the rides than my size though because they are quite rough in general
You are right that SM:MII and Indy are rough, but in my opinion RnRC is very smooth compared to SM and Indy. I have never had problems with RnRC.
yeah RnRC is the least bumpy for me, indy and SM are high on the list for the roughest for me, but i do get shaken around a bit on RnRC... i think thats because i am quite small compared to most people lols
Recently, i had the pleasure of trying out the new rides in toy story playland and enjoyed it.
Walking through the land and observing andy's toys as you walk through, i thought the fine details were typical disney and very good.
RC Racer is very similar to a Mary Rose type ride you find at all theme parks, swings backwards and forwards.
Slinky was a ride more for little kids, again it was clever how it incorporated slinky himself and it was a mini carousel that goes up and down, round and round.
Wheras my favourite was the parachute drop ride. You're strapped in by a seatbelt and an overhead bar and your taken up and dropped 4 times by the voices of the toy story soldiers. When you hear the soldiers say "Go Go Go", you disappointed as this is your last drop.
I loved this ride so much that i went on it 3 times, average waiting time was 45 minutes.You get a good view whilst on the ride and a great feeling when your belly drops. The long wait was due to loading people and offloading, cast members far too slow. On one occassion, it said the waiting time was 45 minutes but we timed it as 25 minutes - need to sort the waiting times out DLRP all the way across the parks.
It's just my opinion :D
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Could you really even see Parachute Drop that clearly from Disney Bros Plaza?
The curves of the trimming on that new roof line don't seem very smooth. It looks kind of crumpled in comparison to the smooth circles and straight lines of the original building below.
I can't remember seeing it from the Disney Bros Plaza, but it was and I'm sure it still is clearly visible from in front of ToT. I hope that Disney will do something against this as well.
At least they have realised that its a bit of an eye sore, so hopefully after a while, a lot more will be done to cover it up.
C'mon guys you should all be pleased at this news really!
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Quote from: "Anthony"Just for reference, this is the view it's blocking:
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looks SOOO much better now its been coverd up just ruins the look
Love it... but is so unlike Disney Studios to think about these things! Good job management!
Quote from: "sebassah"Love it... but is so unlike Disney Studios to think about these things! Good job management!
Have to hand it to them, makes you wonder was this supposed to happen? If so what else are they going to spring on us to TSPL
^ Exactly, that was my point. This is one problem that everyone had with TSPL, and it appears that imagineers have noticed too! I would now guess that something will definitely happen with the view from the Motuers Action seating stand.
Quote from: "RockNRoller"Quote from: "sebassah"Love it... but is so unlike Disney Studios to think about these things! Good job management!
Have to hand it to them, makes you wonder was this supposed to happen? If so what else are they going to spring on us to TSPL
It will be hard to cover up Parachute and RC from all positions in the park, however if the plants and trees start growing it might get better. Give it some time. The extra roof on Art of Animation is a great way to cover it up from Hollywood boulevard.
The sad thing is nowadays, it seems as if they must do such thing most of the times after building and not before building.
So not many first time rights and that seems like a lack of management/imageneering quality at the moment.
But, it's a good thing they realize it afterwards and try to fix it, that's a good first step imho.
Quote from: "Soap"The sad thing is nowadays, it seems as if they must do such thing most of the times after building and not before building.
So not many first time rights and that seems like a lack of management/imageneering quality at the moment.
But, it's a good thing they realize it afterwards and try to fix it, that's a good first step imho.
I so agree on that! But lets give them a little credit for this ;)
I do, i surely do ;)
But i just can't stand such lack of interest, Disney is all about that little piece of extra Magic, not about
cutting corners most of the time as at DLRP it seems lately.
But i must stop complaining, there are far more important things going around in the world which are more important
to get the needed money and support to. (Haiti, Thailand, etc.)
Quote from: "Martyn"^ Exactly, that was my point. This is one problem that everyone had with TSPL, and it appears that imagineers have noticed too! I would now guess that something will definitely happen with the view from the Motuers Action seating stand.
I'd be surprised to be honest if much can be done from that view, the seating is so high. Last week while watching the show I could see Big Thunder, the Castle, TSPL, parts of Disneyland Hotel, Space Mountain and of course ToT. But I am hopeful that one day more a substantial Hollywood Boulevard will deal with the intrusion from there.
On a more general note about TSPL, my family loved spending time there last week and it was lovely to have a couple more attractions in WDS that the whole family could enjoy together. Our 2 year old could join us on the parachute drop, but he absolutely loved Slinky. The surprise for me was my wifes reaction to RC, she enjoys her thrill rides and says this is now her favorite ride in either park. As for me my best impression of the area was that for about an hour or so I completely forgot I was in the Studios, the great area loop and consistency within the area worked really well for me to create an immersive feel which I feel is desperately missing here. It also felt to me that it helped make sense of Toon Studios/Cars/Crush areas, pulling it together albeit not in a way most would have envisaged in the original WDS story.
It certainly seemed to be popular with guests (except for when Slinky broke down to the annoyance of lots of parents with crying toddlers). It made me realise just how few people turn left when the gates open and you've dashed through Studio 1.
Quote from: "Soap"I do, i surely do ;)
But i just can't stand such lack of interest, Disney is all about that little piece of extra Magic, not about
cutting corners most of the time as at DLRP it seems lately.
But i must stop complaining, there are far more important things going around in the world which are more important
to get the needed money and support to. (Haiti, Thailand, etc.)
Quote from: "Soap"The sad thing is nowadays, it seems as if they must do such thing most of the times after building and not before building.
So not many first time rights and that seems like a lack of management/imageneering quality at the moment.
But, it's a good thing they realize it afterwards and try to fix it, that's a good first step imho.
You are so right about that. It's a shame for WDI to realize afterwards that there was done something wrong. But it is great that they did something to correct their mistake.
In Paris it is just on small scale, but if you look to DCA in California, it must be really embarassing for the Imagineers that half of the park needs to be fixed, just because of doing it cheap.
Maybe such mistakes like the TSPL intrusion wouldn't happen if there would be a meeting in the parks every six months or at least every year with Imagineers from Glendale, ED SCA management and DLP-I. As far as I know attractions are always designed by WDI in Glendale, so it seems that DLP-I doesn't have enough power to make sure that such intrusion will not happen.
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Hmm. I do support the intentions, but doesn't it just look a bit cobbled together now? Like if you smudged a painting and tried to fix it, but only end up making the problem stand out more. It's weird that the purple backing now sticks up higher than the circular top of the building itself, and so close behind it. It's not exactly subtle.
Maybe they'll fix the building properly at some point, make it blend with the Hollywood department store façade a little better? I'm sure one plan showed a new façade on this corner, in front of the Art of Disney entrance. Maybe when they designed Toy Story Playland they were expecting that to be in place, to have a taller actual façade here, blending in with the boulevard? But Euro Disney SCA goes the cheaper sticking plaster route... Maybe.
Hm. I think it's not that bad. The only thing that disturbes me is the gap on the right side between the new facade and the sorcerer hat.
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Yeah it looks a bit 'meh' to me too. Not the Disney standard really.
Quote from: "Anthony"Hmm. I do support the intentions, but doesn't it just look a bit cobbled together now? Like if you smudged a painting and tried to fix it, but only end up making the problem stand out more. It's weird that the purple backing now sticks up higher than the circular top of the building itself, and so close behind it. It's not exactly subtle.
Maybe they'll fix the building properly at some point, make it blend with the Hollywood department store façade a little better? I'm sure one plan showed a new façade on this corner, in front of the Art of Disney entrance. Maybe when they designed Toy Story Playland they were expecting that to be in place, to have a taller actual façade here, blending in with the boulevard? But Euro Disney SCA goes the cheaper sticking plaster route... Maybe.
It doesn't look that good, but it looks better than the ugly green tower. Hopefully you are right and they will fix the whole corner in the future. It looks temporary and not like it will be there forever.
Given the popularity/low-capacity of Toy Story Playland, what's the best order to do things in when you arrive at the Walt Disney Studios in the morning?
For me it used to be: Crush's Coaster, Tower of Terror, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster.
But could it now be: Toy Story Playland, Crush's Coaster, Tower of Terror, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster.
Or perhaps it still makes sense to queue up for Crush's Coaster first, then go straight to Toy Story Playland? What are anybody's thoughts?
Quote from: "Alan"Given the popularity/low-capacity of Toy Story Playland, what's the best order to do things in when you arrive at the Walt Disney Studios in the morning?
For me it used to be: Crush's Coaster, Tower of Terror, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster.
But could it now be: Toy Story Playland, Crush's Coaster, Tower of Terror, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster.
Or perhaps it still makes sense to queue up for Crush's Coaster first, then go straight to Toy Story Playland? What are anybody's thoughts?
I would still queue up for Crush's Coaster first. Since I'm not that interested in the rides of TSPL I would just stroll around after I have done my other favorite attractions (Cinemagique, ToT and RnRC).
I'm sure it has already been asked, but what merchandise sells the small shop in TSPL? Is it just the generic DLRP merchandise that is available in every shop, or is it Toy Story related? Thanks.
are the TSPL rides fastpass?
No, none of the three Toy Story Playland rides have Disney's FASTPASS. I would imagine they're too low capacity to ever get it.
Art of Disney's new TSPL shield looks rather smart from this angle at least:
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Nice how it appears to continue on from the other side of the hat.
I really appreciate that Disney tries to hide the ugly green tower, but it also shows that WDI didn't think in the first place about the intrusion.
A few years ago such things didn't happen. Back then it wasn't necessary to think about an attraction or a land AFTER it was built.
At least you can't see the green tower anymore from the Disney Bros. Plaza. Now WDI has to hide TSPL so that you can't see it anymore from TOT or Hollywood Blvd.
Quote from: "dagobert"At least you can't see the green tower anymore from the Disney Bros. Plaza. Now WDI has to hide TSPL so that you can't see it anymore from TOT or Hollywood Blvd.
Yeah, I'm still interested if/how that'll ever happen. It'd take something really tall on around the site of the old Studio Tram Tour fastpass to hide it from in front of Tower of Terror. I guess it won't happen until the boulevard expands? Long wait for that! :?
I heard they're going to build a giant 60m tall Buzz to cover it :^o
I heard they're going to build a gaint 60m tall Woody to cover it, they couldn't have more than one Buzz.
The Woody will come later.....to cover the Buzz
On the Toy Story 3 BluRay Disc is a Making Of TSPL in WDS. John Lasseter and other Imagineers are talking about the land.
Just Bluray, or normal DVD too?
Quote from: "Martyn"Just Bluray, or normal DVD too?
DVD too Martyn. It's on the last page of the special features after the Pixar cartoons and 'Making of' Documentaries. :)
I checked the special features on the backs of the cases in Asda the other day.... no mention of TSPL at all!
Don't they always just list the annoying games on the back anyway? It's not a major feature really, though it is a nice surprise and very welcome. Great to see the Imagineers and Pixar guys talking about something at Disneyland Paris for once. Some new bits of concept art I'd never seen before in there, one which had an alternate name for the land... can't remember it now. And of course John Lasseter actually on tape saying the words "the second gate, the Studios park in Paris". Sometimes you just think it's not on their radar.
Why haven't DLP released a promo video like this? Or just this exact one. Cut out the mention of Hong Kong and it'd go great on their YouTube channel, or Facebook, or on the resort TV channel. Too much like good publicity I guess.
I actually saw Chrissie Allen (Senior Show Producer) who's in the video at the side of the opening ceremony, getting lots of congratulations from the others. She worked on the original WDS attractions too. Fun to see the end of the journey after lots of hard work. In fact, that's one thing the video misses - shots of the finished land, which I think actually looks much better than the concepts. I guess they didn't have time before the DVDs were made.
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It looks like Hong Kong will have Woody and/or Rex at the entrance of the land. Or maybe both, since it'll have two.
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I wonder whether that name was considered for Paris or Hong Kong?
Annoyingly this Making of Toy Story Playland feature doesn't appear on the Blu-ray rental version of Toy Story 3. Pity, as that's the one I have :-)
QuoteIt looks like Hong Kong will have Woody and/or Rex at the entrance of the land. Or maybe both, since it'll have two.
They could well have been original plans for our TSPL.
Also, are they advertising TSPL before the DVD menu? Like they did with ToT?
The Woody statue has the initials 'HK' in the top left and some chinese characters faded into the artwork blocks, so it looks like Woody is specifically destined for Hong Kong ansd was never going to be in Paris. The shading light blue shading style is the same on the following Rex sketch, so it could be assumed we were always going to get Buzz standing at the main entrance to TSPL. :)
I would have preferred Woody over Buzz. There is already one in Discoveryland.
Yes, and this now makes our Rex/ and entrance look very feeble....
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Quote from: "dagobert"I would have preferred Woody over Buzz. There is already one in Discoveryland.
I'm not sure, I think a lifeless Buzz statue looks better than a dead-eyed Woody. How would you do Woody's fabric clothes? They wouldn't look great in Paris. Buzz being plastic is easier to get right, and so many people copy his pose for photos in front of him. Must be one of the most popular photo spots anywhere at DLP.
Quote from: "Martyn"Yes, and this now makes our Rex/ and entrance look very feeble....
Feeble? How? They're not even massively different, and if anything our Buzz is much bigger, more dramatic.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "dagobert"I would have preferred Woody over Buzz. There is already one in Discoveryland.
I'm not sure, I think a lifeless Buzz statue looks better than a dead-eyed Woody. How would you do Woody's fabric clothes? They wouldn't look great in Paris. Buzz being plastic is easier to get right,
But isn´t that an extremly sad point: Don´t let paris get things that have to get a proper refurb every year cause they won´t do it... :( sad world
Anthony, you are right that it is easier to maintain the plastic Buzz instead of Woody and I'm sure it is also cheaper to build a plastic figure. But these arguments lead to parks that don't have any theming.
Like Riebi said, it is a sad that Disney thinks that way of DLP now. I'm glad that they didn't think that way when they created DLP. Otherwise we would have get a fiberglass park like the Magic Kingdom.
Quote from: "dagobert"I'm glad that they didn't think that way when they created DLP. Otherwise we would have get a fiberglass park like the Magic Kingdom.
That's very true. Can you imagine what Disneyland Park in Paris would look like if they'd built it in 2002 or even 2012? I think it's pretty safe to say, it wouldn't have been built so big and fully developed as it was in 1992, and it wouldn't have all those luxury touches: like a dragon in the castle, and Big Thunder Mountain on an island.
I understand the practical reasons for choosing Buzz over Woody. And it would be fine, if there weren't so many other Buzz Lightyear figures all over the resort. They should at least take down the huge Buzz at the entrance to Laser Blast, as well as that New Generation promo Buzz hanging above Main Street Station.
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Quote from: "Alan"I understand the practical reasons for choosing Buzz over Woody. And it would be fine, if there weren't so many other Buzz Lightyear figures all over the resort. They should at least take down the huge Buzz at the entrance to Laser Blast, as well as that New Generation promo Buzz hanging above Main Street Station.
That's a good idea. I have never thought about that. Buzz isn't really necessary at the entrance of Laser Blast.
if you ask me they have to change the whole front of buzz to fit more to discoveryland (back to the old color scheme please!)...but that´s another chapter of the book "How to do Discoveryland right".
For TSPL I don´t know. I don´t see any of the characters better then another.
I've always said that the old color scheme looks a lot better. BLLB doesn't fit the Discoveryland fit, but I know that it will not get ripped out and so it would be great to repaint the bulding to match Autopia, SM and Orbitron. The Buzz building looks like if it doesn'r belong there.
Now back to TSPL :D .
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "Martyn"Yes, and this now makes our Rex/ and entrance look very feeble....
Feeble? How? They're not even massively different, and if anything our Buzz is much bigger, more dramatic.
Because our Rex is just standing idle on his own, where as the HK Rex is being teased by the monkeys, wrapping him in stuff, and it just generally looks more 'playful' and suited to a play area. It just looks a lot more inviting to me.
Quote from: "Riebi"But isn´t that an extremly sad point: Don´t let paris get things that have to get a proper refurb every year cause they won´t do it... :( sad world
Quote from: "dagobert"Like Riebi said, it is a sad that Disney thinks that way of DLP now. I'm glad that they didn't think that way when they created DLP. Otherwise we would have get a fiberglass park like the Magic Kingdom.
I really don't think Paris chose Buzz over Woody because of maintenance, I was just wondering how they'd get Woody to look like a real ragdoll. He doesn't naturally fit being this kind of fibreglass figure in the same way. Woody as a statue looks dead, Buzz looks funny.
Besides, compared to the box buildings across the rest of the Studios, Toy Story Playland is going to take a lot of work to keep well-maintained with all those hundreds of props which need to stay colourful and clean. Hopefully they won't go the way of the Pirate Ship and X-Wing across the esplanade.
Thought I'd mention that they've changed the Buzz Lightyear and Rex spiels for Christmas season... I didn't manage to hear them myself yet, but apparently they're wishing guests happy holidays in the context of the overall TSPL theme.
Quote from: "Anthony"Besides, compared to the box buildings across the rest of the Studios, Toy Story Playland is going to take a lot of work to keep well-maintained with all those hundreds of props which need to stay colourful and clean. Hopefully they won't go the way of the Pirate Ship and X-Wing across the esplanade.
Sorry for being off topic, but what happened to thr X-Wing? In February I didn't see any damage. It looked just dirty and old, but not broken like the pirate ship.
No, that's what I mean - dirty. It doesn't matter so much for the X Wing, but if the "plastic" toys on Toy Story Playland end up looking like that the land won't work as well. Unless we're to believe the toys really have been left out in the rain for a while. :)
Buzz Lightyear wishes you a Happy New Year!
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The RC Racer photolocation is now completely removed.
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About time, thanks for the update!
So what could the space be used for?
I'd love to see a giant die-cast version of a Pizza Planet truck parked up there (or maybe crashed into the landscaping) to continue the Hot Wheels cars theme of RC Racer, with drinks being sold out the back similar to the Main Street Deliveries truck and Hollywood Blvd ice cream van.
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(I don't mean the Cars version, that's just the only diecast available)
Something as fun as that won't happen though, we'll just get to look at those lovely riot barriers for the next 5 years.
^ Great idea Anthony. But yeah, that Cars version is a no no.
I love that idea, although I have a horrible feeling they'll just leave that as dead space.
Just thought I would share some photos of Toy Story Playland with a little fake tilt-shift :)
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It is so obvious for this effect to be used here that I cannot believe more official advertising has used it (that would be true tilt-shift though ;))
These are just quickly made - think about what could be achieved with a tilt-shift lens and some professionals :)
Apologies if this has been posted before, but the French version of Google Maps (which obviously isn't anywhere near as good as Google Maps) has some satellite images of the Toy Story Playland site.
Here's a screenshot I took. Right-click it and open the image in a new tab/window to see the full resolution version.
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I think they shoud have more character models dotted around TSPL. Some area's just feel a little empty, especially where the little RC used to be. A large talking Hamm in its place would be fab. Same with that domino wall, there's just nothing there, stick a Mr Potato head there!
Quote from: "Martyn"I think they shoud have more character models dotted around TSPL. Some area's just feel a little empty, especially where the little RC used to be. A large talking Hamm in its place would be fab. Same with that domino wall, there's just nothing there, stick a Mr Potato head there!
^ Why do you keep quoting people, but not saying anything yourself? :|
Goodness me, is this place depressing. It looks alright in pictures, but in real life all you see are these huge carnival rides. The illusion doesn't work at all. I hope it's just the lack of foliage at the moment...
Yep, I still stand by my assertion that is was a poor management decision to waste their money on this section (hmmm, fenced in or subtracted decore, floor being redone on parachutes, attractions closed due to bad weather, kids being disappointed they cannot ride RC Racer). Hmmmm, all my profecies of a couple of years ago came true. see, you do not have to wait and see, and if you do it is too late. That is what concept art is all about. Lessons learned?
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Hmmmm, all my profecies of a couple of years ago came true. see, you do not have to wait and see, and if you do it is too late. That is what concept art is all about. Lessons learned?
I wouldn't count on that. Now there are many years of bad management and it doesn't seem that this will stop soon. Toons are still added all over the resort.
No, I don't mean from Disney. But hopefully the fan community. Then rather than getting all excited by such rubbish, we can make our voices heard before they strike ground.
A great example of this working was when the Fantasyland expansion was announced for WDW, all those meet and greets planned were booed and hissed about, people wrote letters etc. They went back to the drawing board and changed the plan and now they are building the new Snow White Mine Car Coaster instead. There was concept art launched, people could see what it meant, channeled their concerns, Disney changed the plans, a lot more (though not everyone) is happier.
If we had all done the same, instead of me getting threatened by people for voicing my opinion 2 years before opening, then maybe TSPL would not have been built or had been altered. This is why I hope a lesson has been learned, though I doubt it. In fact I am sure people will either ignore this post or come back with some defence of the mouse on this one.
I think even if fans would have complained to Disney, I still think that TSPL would have been built. I also think that it helped a lot to change the FL plans, since there was a management change at WD Parks & Resorts. If Tom Staggs would have been appointed earlier, maybe there would have been a chance to alter TSPL. And since John Lasseter was also involved heavily in TSPL, I doubt that it would have been changed.
If I'm not mistaken when WDI announced the plans for FL at the D23 EXPO, people weren't very happy and complained already during the presentation. The Imagineers must have felt shameful. Such events would help a lot to address your concers about the projects.
But sadly, I discussion I had this week with a senior friend at Disney shows I need a new hobby. $1 billion was spent last quarter on DCL, DCA, HKDL and Aulani. There is no announcement yet on the budget for Shanghai, but it will be large. There is already a $5 billion debt for DLP and HKDL. So I am not expecting much to come our way. And if it does, most of the ideas are toon based or thrill based because that is "what guests want".
Shows I am simply a dinosaur.
Anyone ever been to Puy du Fou?
That's very sad that now everything is based on toons. How will Disney eliminate the debts for all the parks? I mean DLRP is nearly 20 years old and still has nearly $3 billions of debt. Can TWDC actually do something, like repay ED SCA's debts? I can't see how ED SCA can do it own their own.
I read on another Disney forum (Micechat) that Shanghai DL will maybe feature many Pixar and MArvel rides. That's not what I expect from a Disney park. I still think Marvel shouldn't be in a Magic Kingdom style park. On the other hand it was mentioned that SH DL will have a uniue castle, a great new POTC ride and many other new attractions that no ther park has. So maybe there is a litle hope that not every new ride is based on toons.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"ideas are toon based or thrill based because that is "what guests want".
I don't think anyone really would prefer a toon-attraction to POTC. (I don't have a problem with thrills so long as the theming is immersive.)
Is it just what they think they want? Or what they say they want? The actual proof might come when Mystic Point and TSPL open in HK :idea:
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"No, I don't mean from Disney. But hopefully the fan community. Then rather than getting all excited by such rubbish, we can make our voices heard before they strike ground.
If we had all done the same, instead of me getting threatened by people for voicing my opinion 2 years before opening, then maybe TSPL would not have been built or had been altered. This is why I hope a lesson has been learned, though I doubt it. In fact I am sure people will either ignore this post or come back with some defence of the mouse on this one.
Ok, I'll bite :)
I and my family really enjoyed this area, I'm not going to repeat why (after 138 pages on this round about topic I think most things have already been said). But I'd hope people can say they like it if they want to without being made to feel less of a fan.
I very sorry to hear you were threatened Davewasbaloo...who by? Did you report them to the moderators?
QuoteYep, I still stand by my assertion that is was a poor management decision to waste their money on this section (hmmm, fenced in or subtracted decore, floor being redone on parachutes, attractions closed due to bad weather, kids being disappointed they cannot ride RC Racer). Hmmmm, all my profecies of a couple of years ago came true. see, you do not have to wait and see, and if you do it is too late. That is what concept art is all about. Lessons learned?
Just because you dont like, doesn't make it a failure....
I don't even mind the Pixar/toon thing that much, at least not in moderation and not at the Studios. And I think there are many design elements within this land that are clever and well-done. However, you don't "sense" any of this when you're there. It just feels barren, you see incongruity everywhere around you and the two badly-disguised thrill rides overpower all else. And the back of Art of Disney Animation, which we've long complained about, is now a central feature of the park and seems more ridiculous than ever.
What a depressing experience.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"So I am not expecting much to come our way. And if it does, most of the ideas are toon based or thrill based because that is "what guests want".
I think there's space for both at a Disney park, after all no other parks can (legally) claim the properties in their parks, it adds a link from TV/Movies to the park which I'm sure many people base their visit on. Like Universal Studios, people visit to encounter movies in real life.
However, there is always space for originality, and following Walt's original vision, which seems to be lost on the new management. Whilst I'm sure Imagineering are aware of this, it seems to very much be a 'push characters' mentality. Lasseter is very competent at what he does at Pixar, but he needs to look outside of the box, go back to what Walt wanted, and stop trying to desperately shoe horn
his work into the parks. It's not his park, and what he is doing is replacing the Walt feeling with the John imagery.
Movie studios is such a vast theme, and I agree, the rides are a bad choice due to their limitations, but they could have been installed and themed to a more movies theme easily. A stunt themed area for example, Toy Soldiers could be a stunt falling attraction, Slinky a 'caught in a twister' effect and RC Racer escaping from an explosion etc. Simple and a weak example, but it shows how easily it could have been linked back to the park's storyline.
The area is passable, it's one of the nicest areas of the park, and if it was surrounded by theming to the detail that it has inside it'd fade away and go un-noticed, maybe when the park is spruced up then it'll go away a bit more. I'll ride RC Racer on my next visit, but I won't go purely for TSPL.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Anyone ever been to Puy du Fou?
I have, and it's a beautiful park. The shows there put every other park I've been to to shame, sadly I missed the big show they have in their arena, but the ones in the main park are fantastic. The theming is fully immersive and if it was easier to get to then I'd visit much more! I really enjoyed my visit, the Colosseum had just opened and I was in shock and awe of just how big and detailed it was. Absolutely incredible park which is overlooked by most people.
I myself was a little disappointed by the area. And I was one of those who kept an open mind about it all and thought it may be better in the flesh.
I thought it colourful which was great for my young sons, but awful for ride times. My boys didn't get to go on a ride there because it was soooo busy, long queues and TBH (no offence to adults here) but I saw 90% adults queuing for the rides than kids because IMO parents just couldn't wait around long with young ones for these rides!!! So, I went and took pics with the kids and that was that. My kids didn't complain about not having a go because they saw the queues and just wasn't that thrilled to go on them as much as I thought.
Never mind, maybe next time.
If anyone's interested I've uploaded the full 48-minute Grand Opening Broadcast to YouTube as a single video (no switching required), so it's there for posterity:
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This was pretty interesting, even if it is Blue Peter! :P
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Interesting video, made better by the fact that even Blue Peter can notice that 'there's no water here'!
Great video, thanks! I've stuck it on DLRP Today. ;-)
It's a little confusing the way they explain how RC Racer was chosen -- they had the halfpipe ride system in mind first and then thought "huh, what would work well with this?". Really?! Surely, hopefully not.
Great video.
So according to the Imagineers' own rules, the three top tips you want to think of when you're designing a new ride are:
1. Story. What's the story you want to tell?
2. Characters. What characters do you want to use to bring to life that story?
3. Feeling. What do you want the audience to feel?
Ok, so using the Studio Tram Tour as an example...
1. Story. You're going behind the scenes at a pretend movie studio
2. Characters. Jeremy Irons is used to bring the story to life
3. Feeling. You feel confused during the ride, and cheated when you get off
:-)
I'm finding myself pausing the video every other second to try and identify what the diagrams are in the background at the end of the video..... Any idea what they are?
I want to be an Imagineer... Honorary or otherwise...
I actually was an Honorary Imagineer for a few hours back in 1996, when I had a little private tour of Walt Disney Imagineering in Glendale. Unforgettable experience :-)
Quote from: "Columbiad"I'm finding myself pausing the video every other second to try and identify what the diagrams are in the background at the end of the video..... Any idea what they are?
They appear to be plans for toystory playland. The big circle seems to be the parachute drop and to the other side of the womans head seems to be RC Racer.
they didn't think it through, imagineering let us down.
there rules don't work here either.
1)story. actually, what is the storyline for the land? i couldn't work it out. has andy left them outside or something? and how convenient he took every toy imaginable, including the packaging (what kid does that?)
2)characters. toy story. nuff said. but do they ever walk round the area? and the giant buzz means that the costume buzz for meet and greets is too small.
3)feeling. angry, abused, insulted, tired, thirsty, in need of a toilet, hungry, worn out by 2 hour queues, disappointed kids can't go on rc racer. you could go on and on and the only good thing would be the lights are nice
agreed Peter. and what does it have to do with a studio?
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"agreed Peter. and what does it have to do with a studio?
Toy Story is a movie and that's why TSPL got built at WDS. :lol: :lol: WDI did really a lot of thinking in creating the story.
I think we have to accept that just because an attraction is based on a Disney movie, it fits into a Studios park. Isn't that sad!
Otherwise I can't explain why TSPL is in WDS.
I don't want to get the debate about TSPL started again, but I just finished an article in a D23 magazine about Disney's new hotel on Hawaii. In the article Imagineers talk about the effort they took to incorporate Hawaii's culture and history into the hotel. I really wish that WDI, TWDC, ED SCA would do that on every project, not only on the new Disney Ships, DCA and Aulani.
And this is my greatest lament. I am more interested in Aulani then I am in the planned event for DLP. Sadly DLP is closer and therefore more affordable.
I really think that these huge projects, like the ships and the hotel or DCA, are done by long time Imagineers, because more money is involved, while these cheap rides, like TSPL, are done by regular Imagineers to get more practice. I really wonder what Imagineers really think about TSPL. I mean they have created wonderful rides, innovative ride technologies and now the company buys three off the shelf rides to be decorated.
It makes you wonder, though, why the more experienced imagineers didn't say "no" as soon as the idea was proposed in their meetings.
What I think, though, is that when they were designing the three new lands for Hong Kong Disneyland, DLP's management just said "hey, can we have one of them too, because we need to expand our Studios and we can't afford to have a unique land imagineered for us." It would be disappointing if that was the case.
Quote from: "Meph"It makes you wonder, though, why the more experienced imagineers didn't say "no" as soon as the idea was proposed in their meetings.
What I think, though, is that when they were designing the three new lands for Hong Kong Disneyland, DLP's management just said "hey, can we have one of them too, because we need to expand our Studios and we can't afford to have a unique land imagineered for us." It would be disappointing if that was the case.
Unfortunately many of the older Imagineers, like Tim Delaney, creator of Discoveryland and SM, had to leave WDI. I think the last word still has ED SCA and not WDI.
I'm not sure for which Disneyland TSPL was created in the first place. Maybe you are right with your thoughts.
Quote from: "Meph"What I think, though, is that when they were designing the three new lands for Hong Kong Disneyland, DLP's management just said "hey, can we have one of them too, because we need to expand our Studios and we can't afford to have a unique land imagineered for us." It would be disappointing if that was the case.
Not the case at all. Toy Story Playland was designed specifically for Walt Disney Studios from the start. I believe it was Hong Kong's dislike of several other ideas WDI pitched for them (such as the Pirate land) that eventually led to WDI suggesting Toy Story Land.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "Meph"What I think, though, is that when they were designing the three new lands for Hong Kong Disneyland, DLP's management just said "hey, can we have one of them too, because we need to expand our Studios and we can't afford to have a unique land imagineered for us." It would be disappointing if that was the case.
Not the case at all. Toy Story Playland was designed specifically for Walt Disney Studios from the start. I believe it was Hong Kong's dislike of several other ideas WDI pitched for them (such as the Pirate land) that eventually led to WDI suggesting Toy Story Land.
Can you believe that? HKDL turned down such lands like Pirates Land in favour of the ugly TSPL. Isn't that sad. I have seen concept art of the new Pirates ride and it looks great. Maybe there is a chance to see the new attraction at Shanghai Disneyland.
They also turned down the very cool Arctic concept too. But I understand the issue for both concepts were budget related.
If you go here, you can find loads. ;)
http://www.dlrpmagic.com/guidebook/walt ... -playland/ (http://www.dlrpmagic.com/guidebook/walt-disney-studios-park/toon-studio/toy-story-playland/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
So now that it is open, and many of the plants have been dying, the photo spots keep getting taken away, and the low capacity attractions mean the waits are longer than for Space Mountain, ToT, Pirates of the Caribbean and even Peter Pan, what do you think of TSPL now?
Lol, well when our family were there last year we had a lovely time, maybe we fit the target group and so some of the complaints people have didn't affect us much and it wasn't too busy (Oct).
Our 2yo loved Slinky and our 6yo loved the Parachute drop. I'm almost afraid to say that my wife though RC was her favorite ride in WDS (she is a thrill ride type though).
I know the photo location issues (and yes I remember you predicting it :) ) and there are silly mistakes like the Parachute area flooring that doesn't inspire confidence in their planning.
But I'm afraid I'm happy with it, although not amazed which is a missed opportunity for DLP.
I haven't experienced TSPL by myself, so I'm going to judge from pictures, trip reports you can read on several Disney fan forums and from my friends who have already done all three rides. It seems to me that mostly families and kids like TSPL. I don't get that, because most children can't ride the parachute tower and RC Racer. I think DLRP missed an opportunity to create a nice little land that is really aimed towards children. I mean the park still lacks a family ride. Hopefully Ratatouille will change that.
I stand by my opinion I had already last year: It shouldn't have been built and the money should have been used for something else. I still think TSPL doesn't fit into the Studios and that it is not Disney standard. Maybe TWDC forced ED SCA to build it to promote TS 3. Although it brings some colours and greenery to the concrete park, there is nothing I really like about it. Waiting lines are long, due to the bad capacity and TSPL lacks of infrastructure like toiletts or a proper shop. After seeing the concept art for Ratatouille, I'm even more disappointed that TSPL got built. Maybe WDI should have chosen other type of rides, which are not as big and intrusive than the ugly green tower. Hopefully they will find a way to hide it better. Honestly it seems that WDI made some rookie mistakes.
Hi Dagobert, sorry to correct you and it's a minor point but our 2yo was able and happy riding the Parachute drop.
Quote from: "DopeyDad"Hi Dagobert, sorry to correct you and it's a minor point but our 2yo was able and happy riding the Parachute drop.
Thanks for correcting me. I thought that there is a height restriction. What was your family's favorite ride in terms of thrill, fun and theming?
hi Dagobert, I think there is a height restriction but it's low, 80cm maybe? As for favorites, well there's the rub, none of the three attractions made it as a favorite for all the family, not like POTC or IASW so as an area it doesn't fill that need. What I enjoyed about it is perhaps the flip side of the same reason lots of people don't like it, the area theming and loop I thought was really nice and while there I completely forgot I was in WDS. I guess that's because of the edging done by the landscaping and the layout, but also it must reflect the disconnect with the rest of the park. That's not great if the park it's in is something like DLP but in the often barren and bleak WDS it felt welcome to me to feel I was 'somewhere'. I'd have preferred that 'somewhere' to be more consistent with the story of the whole park and to have DLP type transitions but I'm not convinced that was ever likely to happen so I'm glad overall there is an area (not forgetting Hollywood Boulevard) with a sense of immersion to it.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say it's everything I would have done and I tend not to compare something with the 'what if' alternatives that never happened. I would have preferred say 1 fewer attraction, a more general play area and 2 slightly more 'whole family' attractions, maybe with a different theme but they didn't ask me about it for some reason.
In a nut shell; its a great little area, fantastic for kids, and enjoyable for adults too.
Interesting replies....I still cannot stand it, and I think other than adding greenery and a cute musical score, it is a waste of money and space, and is really a step backwards.
I think Toy Story Playland can look excellent on photographs, from the right angle and under the correct lighting, rather like so many actresses on magazine covers. Or, come to think of it, a film set. But when you're there, there's no there there. It's utterly unconvincing and there is barely enough thematic substance for your imagination to fill in the blanks. You have to squint, pretend, make your eyes blurry and possibly buy a drink or two before it starts to feel the way it should. On rainy days, I've skipped through the Disneyland Park, humming ditties and smiling like a complete idiot, but Toy Story Playland under grey skies becomes about as magical as your daily commuter route.
Now I'm sure plenty of people have toddlers who enjoyed the sensation of being swayed back and forth and up and down and round and round (summing up all three rides there), but that hardly makes it one of Disney's masterpieces.
And I really did try to like it.
yeah, I know what you're saying Puss and I want to be clear I don't want to be pigeon-holed in the 'everything is great' camp. I wonder if sometimes things come down to the different priorities people have when they try to sum up how good something is.
I'm kinda a 'its better than is was, therefore happy' but there's the equally valid 'it's not as good as it could have been' view and the 'they did it all wrong, why are they idiots?' view.
I have less invested in how I view the parks beyond our first visit 5 years ago (trip No 7 about to get booked :D any day now) and it's always interesting to hear how people with different histories, preferences and personal attachment to the parks view changes. I think that maybe that says something about the impact Disney parks can create with people and that impact is unlikely to happen in TSPL or anywhere in WDS at the moment imho. I don't think there's anywhere in WDS, even with the Boulevard, that can make you feel the way you do when walking down main street, under Fort Comstock or emerging from one of the covered walkways to see Skull Rock and the Galley for the first time.
Yes, you don't need to have been around in 1992 to realize the slight disparity between the two parks.
What tends to happen is that initially, any news seems like good news, simply because there isn't that much coming from Euro Disney, but then once it's built, you realize that now we're stuck with this mediocre thing. Or is that just me.
Anyway, I sincerely hope that with Ratatouille they will finally build enough of something for it to have any sort of emotional impact. That they won't stop somewhere halfway again.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Yes, you don't need to have been around in 1992 to realize the slight disparity between the two parks.
What tends to happen is that initially, any news seems like good news, simply because there isn't that much coming from Euro Disney, but then once it's built, you realize that now we're stuck with this mediocre thing. Or is that just me.
Well, when I saw the concept art, I was alarmed. People said "wait until it is built....." I did not quit my protests in the hopes that others would join in and they would change their strategy before it was too late (like they have for the MK's Fantasyland expansion). Instead I got abuse and threats of being chucked off web sites. Now, the land has opened and it is even worse than the art work (parachutes are rarely fully loaded/picture environments ruined (like I warned), and Slinky Dog is even slower and more boring than anticipated. And while we were sure there would be exclusions for little kids on RC Racer, we didn't see that big guys would be excluded too (the only ride in the 8 Disney parks I have been to that I cannot ride).
Guess what? It has strengthened my resolve to speak out.
But I think Disney believe in TSPL that's why they are also building it in HKDL. I notice their new Flight of Fantasy parade even has a Toy Story float with parachute men and a parachute drop. WDS was crying out for new rides and I think TSPL helps fill a gap. You're lucky if you've been to 8 Disney parks and felt you can go on all the rides. I bet most people don't feel that. I don't fancy RocknRoller coaster and would have prefered something else. Some people probably like TSPL. Not everybody can agree to dislike the same rides and themed lands. I don't really see this as a campaigning forum, I could be wrong. It's a Fan site, I thought and people come here to share their holiday experiences and express their views on things. But we can't all agree to dislike something and get it stopped. Is this the right forum for that? Start a blog and see what support you get. As I say I didn't think this was ment to be a Disney suck now, they have lost the plot and I can do a better job than they do forum. Fair enough if some people hold those views ( and I don't think it is always fair)), but is this the place for everyone to agree on it.
Quote from: "ed-uk"I don't really see this as a campaigning forum, I could be wrong. It's a Fan site, I thought and people come here to share their holiday experiences and express their views on things. But we can't all agree to dislike something and get it stopped. Is this the right forum for that? Start a blog and see what support you get. As I say I didn't think this was ment to be a Disney suck now, they have lost the plot and I can do a better job than they do forum. Fair enough if some people hold those views ( and I don't think it is always fair)), but is this the place for everyone to agree on it.
that is very sad for you Ed (but does not surprise me). But given the US forums tend to voice these things (and Disney do read them), things have changed (some of the ideas for DCA, for the MK). TSPL was floated as an idea and it was the 12th one the HK SAR (who only knew Ocean Park before HKDL opened) chose, largely because it was the cheapest and they did not want to be seen to be wasting public funds. TSPL at WDSP was a sweetener to reduce the price for HK and to get something into WDSP. I have had conversations with senior folks in Burbank who have admitted what they love about Paris is they can put any cheap thing and it is warmly received, unlike the US or Tokyo. That is wrong IMHO.
How many times can a bunch of people ask "what's your fav character". I am sorry, for me, discussion is about exploring ideas, asking questions, and trying to help DIsney set direction. they do read the boards, as well as having the large team of survey takers.
I am sorry, I have VERY strong feelings about Disney. I am not a fly by night faddy who will move on to my next interest next year like the sheeple of X factor lovers. I am devoted to Disney for a reason, and I want the reason to exist for my kids and grandkids as it had for my parents and grand parents. Disney is more than an amusement park, and I really think a lot of people in DLP's market do not get that.
And the difference with RNRC, it doesn't ruin any site lines for those that choose not to ride.
I'm not a fly by night faddy myself. And to be fair people have voiced their dislike for TSPL on this forum, they have been able do to that. But it didn't change anything, they still built it. All I'm asking is should we all have to agree on something to change a ride/policy or whatever at DLP? RNRC isn't in a very attractive show building in my view, so it might affend somebody's site lines. And if it's about cheapest and money, you know what money is at EuroDisney. Why don't you start a blog and see what support you get? You say you've had conversations with senior folks at Burbank who love DLP because they can build any cheap thing and it's warmly recieved. Is that how senior folks at Burbank talk to you about their parks. TSPL was conceived in the U S and EuroDisney had to pay the bill for it, I assume.
QuoteBut I think Disney believe in TSPL that's why they are also building it in HKDL.
It was just an opportunity to add some rides for a small amount of money to WDS. I don't think that WDI or Disney is really proud of the final product. Otherwise they would have shown concept art of TSPL or pictures of TSPL at least at the Annual Meetings. But Disney didn't. Instaed they showed concept art of Mystic Point, Grizzly Gulch, SHDL and about the DCA expansion. When Disney showed pictures of TSPL and the first Fantasyland Expansion at the D23 Expo, fans booed. It was the major expansion for DLRP in the last two years. If WDI would be proud of TSPL there would be more pictures in the recently released WD Imagineering books. I have found only two small pictures.
Disney believed in SM to save the resort, but I don't think they believe in TSPL to help the resort. But I think that Disney believes in Ratatouille to boost attendance, because judging from the concept art the new ride looks great, almost too good for WDS.
If I'm not mistaken, I think I read somewhere that TSPL wasn't planned for HKDL at first. It was chosen, because they needed new cheap rides as soon as possible, because MP and GG will not open in the next two years.
QuoteWDS was crying out for new rides and I think TSPL helps fill a gap.
Of course that's the main reason, but I still think WDI should have built something else. I think ED SCA was forced by TWDC and John Lasseter to use toy Story due to the release of the third movie. Maybe ED SCA thought the movie would help to promote the resort.
QuoteYou're lucky if you've been to 8 Disney parks and felt you can go on all the rides. I bet most people don't feel that.
I have been to six Disney parks, but I haven't experienced TSPL. So again, I'm just judging on pictures and what friends told me. For me it is the second worst Disney area after Chester and Hester's Dinorama. I hoped to experience TSPL in fall, but we cancelled our trip and will instead go to Disneyland Anaheim next year.
QuoteI don't fancy RocknRoller coaster and would have prefered something else. Some people probably like TSPL. Not everybody can agree to dislike the same rides and themed lands.
I have no problem that people like TSPL. Tastes are different, especially in Europe with all the different cultures, but I find it very interesting that even in HKDL forums nearly no one likes TSPL, while many people in Europe like it. It's okay for me if you like it, but I don't have to like it, just because the majority here thinks it is a great addition. I stand by my opinion that Disney could have done it a lot better.
QuoteI don't really see this as a campaigning forum, I could be wrong. It's a Fan site, I thought and people come here to share their holiday experiences and express their views on things. But we can't all agree to dislike something and get it stopped. Is this the right forum for that? Start a blog and see what support you get. As I say I didn't think this was ment to be a Disney suck now, they have lost the plot and I can do a better job than they do forum. Fair enough if some people hold those views ( and I don't think it is always fair)), but is this the place for everyone to agree on it.
The header of the forum says: Discuss the magic! That means to me that it is a discussion forum, where everyone can express his opinion, and not a praise DLRP forum. Otherwise the moderators would have kicked many members out off the forum last year when it got a little bit heated when TSPL opened. If people only want to read positive things about Disney then they shouldn't read discussion boards. I think it is good that there are many people with different views, that's what brings a forum to life. Of course magicforum is a fan site and fans are passionate. Some more, some less. If people want to see only pictures, then there is the Trip Reports thread.
Without fans expressing their opinions on discussion boards, the Fantasyland expansion at WDW would just be a meet and greet area. After the fans got upset at the D23 Expo, on forums and meetings, Disney changed the plans. Hopefully magicforum will become so powerful in the future too. I think it is on a good way, because otherwise Anthony and Kristof wouldn't have been invited to the meetings.
Yes well we've been discussing the magic and TSPL, those who like it and those who don't. And they still built it, which was my piont. If we had all agreed not to like it in the first place, Disney would never have built it? And I don't except that Disney aren't really proud of TSPL and the final product. At least I've not heard them say so, maybe others have? Fantasyland expansion at WDW probably cost a lot more. I'm not compareing TSPL to SM, BTM or TOT. I know TSPL isn't full of E ticket rides. It's just increased capacity in WDS.
QuoteWhat tends to happen is that initially, any news seems like good news, simply because there isn't that much coming from Euro Disney, but then once it's built, you realize that now we're stuck with this mediocre thing. Or is that just me.
I totally agree with you. If there would have also been an expansion like in Hong Kong, I think most people wouldn't get so excited about three carnival rides. I'm sure that's the reason why in HKDL forums aren't happy at all about TSPL, because there they will also get two fantastic attractions.
Here in Europe Disney fans are facing difficult times. We are happy about a new store and a new restaurant. I admit I'm also happy that a new store is coming, although it will not help to sell more merchandise as long as the quality will not get better. Other resorts receive fantastic new attractions, while here in Europe we get three carnival rides. I do understand that the financial situation is bad, but ED SCA needs to build something great that makes people want to return. I'm pretty sure TSPL is not the kind of attraction that makes DLP stand out of the other themeparks in Europe.
QuoteAnyway, I sincerely hope that with Ratatouille they will finally build enough of something for it to have any sort of emotional impact. That they won't stop somewhere halfway again.
I really hope that Ratatouille turns out to be good. Hopefully Disney doesn't start to eliminate things out of the ride just to make it cheaper. The park desperately needs a highly themed family dark ride.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Yes well we've been discussing the magic and TSPL, those who like it and those who don't. And they still built it, which was my piont. If we had all agreed not to like it in the first place, Disney would never have built it? And I don't except that Disney aren't really proud of TSPL and the final product. At least I've not heard them say so, maybe others have? Fantasyland expansion at WDW probably cost a lot more. I'm not compareing TSPL to SM, BTM or TOT. I know TSPL isn't full of E ticket rides. It's just increased capacity in WDS.
Ed, I agree with you that Disney still would have built TSPL. The fanbase in Europe isn't just as powerful as in the US. But I'm also sure, that the fans in the US made Disney to rethink the Fantasyland Expansion. The plans were ready and suddenly they announced something else. That wouldn't have happened without fan protests.
I haven't seen any Imagineers being proud of it, too, but there are videos, there is one on the TS 3 BluRay, that show Imagineers praising the three rides. That's a bit sad, when you look on the other great things they have done.
I get what you mean with the capacity, but I still think that other rides what have been better to increase the capacity, because according to many visitors, loading isn't fast at all.
I don't suppose loading is that fast on the Flying Elephants, dagobart or the Flying Carpets. They did change plans in Fantasyland at WDW. But as I understand it, Robert Stags took over from Jay Rasulo, and apparently he thought the original plans were too girly, not enough for boys. We couldn't call TSPL girly. As I said I'm not compareing TSPL to TOT. But TSPL has increased capacity in WDS and I think that was the intention. My point was Disney would have built it anyway, at least that's what they did, probably in the hope that others would like it, too, so someone somewhere must have believed in it. Disney don't always build big Blockbuster rides like SM, sometimes they build smaller rides like Orbitron. To be clear, it's not my favourite.
Quote from: "ed-uk"I don't suppose loading is that fast on the Flying Eliphants, dagobart or the Flying Carpets. They did change plans in Fantasyland at WDW. But Robert Stags took over from Jay Rasulo, and apparently he thought the original plans were to girly. Not enough for boys. We couldn't call TSPL girly. As I said I'm not compareing TSPL to TOT. But TSPL increased capacity in WDS and I think that was the intention. My point was Disney would have built it anyway, at least that's what they did probably in the hope that others would like it to, so someone somewhere must have liked it.
You could be right with the loading, but WDS doesn't have as many attractions as DLP to allocate the visitors. In WDS the park is small and so I think it would have been better to use other carnival rides instead of the parachute tower.
I don't believe that the management change was the only reason why they altered the plans. Just because an executice officer has boys who don't like princesses doesn't make a whole division to change the plans. Fans were criticizing the project and Disney didn't want to admit that they made a mistake. The whole company is just about franchises recently and now they realized that not everyone is happy with meet and greets.
DLP is a franchise I thought. What have meet n greets got to do with TSPL? So you don't mind carnival rides so long as it's not Parachute drop. What other carnival ride would you have liked, Jumping Jelly Fish? As Disney have changed their plans with Fantasyland expansion, that's sort of admitting to a mistake, Robert Stags obviously didn't like it. Millions of people go to Disney theme parks, so they must please a lot of people. I don't teach Disney to suck eggs. Someone implied in a previous post that if we had all joined in with his protest a strategy, TSPL could be changed. I'm not sure that I agree in this particular case, but you might.
the current thing in the studios is to improve capacity, so they built an area which gives some extra room. it did its job. it has made the park close to a full day park, what they wanted. but when the expansion of the park finally comes, it will make even less sense. they need to build the 3rd gate by 2030 or something, and i think there is a good chance that they might move tspl to it
Hong Kong Disneyland has got their Woody installed, which was originally planned for the Walt Disney Studios, but replaced by Buzz Lightyear.
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Ew, it looks so cheap. It literally looks like one of those knock-off parks that were all over youtube years ago.
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sorry, are you talking about the Woody? or the photo on your post? What is that?
I don't think Woody looks all that bad from afar, maybe closer things will look a little different, but I'd rather have that over Buzz I think. That is a very poorly placed window in the Snow White character though..
As for TSPL, to make it that little bit more Disney, I still say the Mr Potato Head AA is a needed addition to the area!
dear lord, it looks like a perverted version of disneyland. i now need to go and wash my eyes.
I was commenting on the woody statue and comparing it to the statues at fake Disneylands.
it looks like a pretty good Woody to me from that photo, would you prefer it to have been done differently?
Quote from: "DopeyDad"it looks like a pretty good Woody to me from that photo, would you prefer it to have been done differently?
No. I just don't think large, over-sized, plastic looking figures look good in general.
Fair enough, but as a Woody, it's a good likeness of Woody right?
I mean you'd rather it wasn't a toy figure there I guess, so it's more a design choice you object to rather than how they've execute it.
Sure, in terms of this project it is of great likeness to Woody. I just feel ToyStory Playland cheapens the experience of a Disneyland-style park. I don't mind it so much in the studios, since that's already a mix-match of themes. But it saddens me seeing it in that park.
I really think they shouldn't put a character thing like buzz or woody up, because it means said characters can't be used for meet and greets in tspl.
I like that Woody!
QuoteAs for TSPL, to make it that little bit more Disney, I still say the Mr Potato Head AA is a needed addition to the area!
Totally agree with this. They could do with a few characters hiding in the bushes as such, such as Mr Potato Head, Hamm and Woody.
there seem to be alot of little extras which would make the whole thing feel more realistic.
Has anyone posted this yet?
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My brother and his girlfriend experienced TSPL for the first time a few weeks back and they absolutely loved it. They adored the themeing in the area (the K'nex fences, the oversized fairy lights, the railroad benches, the pixar ball, Rex, the way the bamboo made you feel cut of from the rest of the Studios...) and really liked the three rides. They were impressed with the outside queue line for RC and the queuing area for Parachute Drop which all the soldiers and the Gameboy screen. RC was a bit short as a ride but a good thrill, Parachute drop was fun and surprisingly high, Slinky is a good giggle if it's got a walk on. They were also surprised at the quality and comfort of the restraints as that tends not to be so good on the smaller rides and flats at other parks.
No, it's nothing like the rest of the park in style but it is VERY like Toy Story and that's what they really enjoyed about it. We're the generation who grew up with the Toy Story films and I think that emotional connection to the series makes people really like it. I'd LOVE to see a coaster or a dark ride added to the area but three new smaller rides in the area to compliment the current larger ones and hopefully more to follow is a good idea.
I think I prefer the Woody statue to the Buzz Statue. Mainly because there are far too many Buzzes at DLRP, and Woody is such a friendly, fresh face. I wish WDS had Woody.
I wish DLP had not wasted their time, money and space on this and built something world class that the whole family could enjoy no matter the weather....
Quote from: "Columbiad"I think I prefer the Woody statue to the Buzz Statue. Mainly because there are far too many Buzzes at DLRP, and Woody is such a friendly, fresh face. I wish WDS had Woody.
Yeah I'd rather we'd have had Woody as well, purely because we already have Buzz in DLRP.
Quote from: "Alan"Has anyone posted this yet?
[youtube:2ndb5z1t]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XINLBhCkOUM[/youtube:2ndb5z1t]
What!? John Lasseter keeps saying that the rides in TSPL were purposely based off of ride systems from fair grounds. That just sounds so wrong. :(
Watching that video again, I think we should all be very grateful for the talent involved. Toy Story Playland isn't some fake-Disney product designed by a European team. It's the real deal. It's Walt Disney Imagineering and Pixar trying to do their best. They're proud of it, and they would've built exactly the same thing in California and Florida.
I mean, even if you don't like the outcome, to have John Lasseter involved in designing a land for our park is really special. And, unlike a lot of other Imagineers, he doesn't forget Paris. He's often the one that brings it up in presentations, such as at D23.
Thanks Alan, I think you might have brought up a point that none of us had thought about, including me. John lassetter has stuck by us, and he's not given up. The fact that during the shorttime he's been at imagineering, we've gotten an exclusive land( for a while), and have plans for an exclusive ride. Although TSPL might not be to everyones taste, we should be glad that at least one person at WDI still cares.
It's probably worth also noticing the sheer amount of his own properties which have been put into the parks in his short space of time too though. I don't think he cares about improving the parks as much as he makes out, just cares about getting his mark in the park.
That or he is VERY short sighted to the needs of the company. It's Disneyland, not Lasseterland.
Alan, you summed up all my opinions better then I could ever had. Whilst TSPL isn't the best addition, its no way as bad as others have described it, and the fact that JL is behind it, makes it even better.
I always thought that, whilst attraction additions are not often at all at DLRP, its more often than not an exclusive addition (e.g.. Crush, Cars, TSPL, Rat.). Looking back, I realise that they are all Pixar, and most likely had JL behind them all.
I just hope that he realises when to stop with all the Pixar. He has a reputation as a lover of classic Disneyland, I hope he pushes for original attractions as well.
EDIT: Scissorboi beat me to my own point! :)
Quote from: "Scissorsboi"It's probably worth also noticing the sheer amount of his own properties which have been put into the parks in his short space of time too though. I don't think he cares about improving the parks as much as he makes out, just cares about getting his mark in the park.
That or he is VERY short sighted to the needs of the company. It's Disneyland, not Lasseterland.
I wouldn't say so. :) You might want to watch the Cars Land presentation at D23. The land originally wasn't going to involve the Cars film; it was envisioned with real cars in mind. They were trying to add familiar characters to the park, because it didn't have that many at all originally. The problem is that now there seems to be a bit
too many toons. XD
I did, but now it's ALL Cars characters and not in anyway non-Pixar. Plus they can't say there was a lack of characters in the whole redevelopment, Ariel went in, WOC is all character based, and Paradise Pier got all character facelifts. Even the new Buena Vista Street is getting unused character names for the stores! I just would like him to put in something on the Everest scale, original story, original ride, no toons needed and yet it is still the main pull of Animal Kingdom! However with his ego, I think it's more likely that we'll see Expedition where we meet Wall-E, not Yet-i!
I have no issue with a few characters popping up now and again, but as it's such a Pixar overload right now, I'd love to see that stop and Lasseter remember that Walt made movies too! Ah well, hopefully he'll use the bigger Pixar rides to plus TSPL!
Did you see this? Bing Maps has been updated with new imagery of Disneyland Paris. You can see Toy Story Playland, The World of Disney and Earl of Sandwich now. Right click this photo and select Open Image In New Tab to view at fullsize:
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Wow, thats really good. Fantastic as well that its only at a certain height - means you can zoom in and out and note the changes. I see the new images also include the Central Plaza Stage. Thanks, Alan!
when i go on bing maps, it still shows a map from pre- crush, any help?
@peter Zoom out a bit :-)
bing is a nightmare, if only google updated more often. i mean, my house is from 2004!
finally got it!!!!! :thumbs:
wow this image is really good quality, and it helps give an idea of the size ratatouille will be!
I'm glad they updated it on Bing. It's so much better than Google Maps. :)
Looking at the aerial photo again, I think Disney should demolish the north side of Disney Village, extend Lake Disney into it, and add a boat transportation system, similar to the water taxis at Universal Orlando.
It's not as cool as a monorail system, but it would look beautiful and make the walk from the resort hub back to the Hotel Cheyenne much easier.
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in 1992, there were water taxis on the lake - the waiting area can still be seen at the NBC and sequoia Lodge.
alan, a bit extreme, however, it would be fairly easy to link all the hotels up if you expand the waterways, its an interesting idea.
just noticed something, they haven't finished photographing all of dlp, there are still some areas blank, so could we expect a more zoomed in image in the future?
also, what work is going on right next to the stunt show? it can't be part of the water cleaning works.
I hadn't seen this before. Toy Story Playland at Hong Kong Disneyland is looking quite finished:
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Man, it is a sad state of affairs when it doesn't look much better than Blackpool Pleasure Beach's Nicholodean land, where at least their characters will ride the attractions with you.
I'm slightly confused by the animosity towards Toy Story Playground.
Yes, I entirely agree that essentially modded touring fairground rides aren't "real" Disney rides. Of course a dark ride or cool coaster would have been better. But it's not like there aren't simple fairground rides in Disney Parks, like Orbitron, Flying Carpets, Dumbo, Teacups etc, and these all remain very popular from what I saw.
Personally, I felt that the three simple rides in TSPL and the simple Cars ride nearby were themed really nicely & made the areas really fun for younger kids who wouldn't want to go on ToT, RnRC etc. (our kids could get on all three rides, I wasn't aware of height restrictions)
Grouping them together and heavily theming the areas made it all make sense to me. Little touches such as the wooden railway benches, knex fences, the bucket of monkeys etc made it really cool, especially if you're a kid who can imagine being shrunk down to the right scale. We got some great family phots with Rex, the Buzz statue, the pixar ball etc. Yes, the ques were fairly long, but the queing areas for RC & Slinky were really nicely designed, & surely more rides round he park reduces ques for other attractions?
The only problems I felt with the land were that there should have been a bigger, kid friendly dark ride accompanying the three Toy Story & 1 Cars ride, (perhaps linked to another Pixar property, to make that corner make sense, preferably with a shop & restaurant attached in a themed area), and that the "exit" didn't appear to lead anywhere, creating a loop. These were conclusions my wife & I reached when walking round the park. It was only upon discovering this & other websites that we see that's exactly what they're planning with the Ratatouille area. To me, considering the budgetary restraints, it makes a heck of a lot of sense to have expanded that corner of the park like that, ready to expand further.
Now, once this expansion is finished, I only hope they'll add some more water and landscaping to another area of the park, & make attractions based on traditionally animated properties. My votes would be a Beauty & the Beast or Little Mermaid dark ride (the planned one on the DVD looked amazing, I genuinely hope it's made one day). Or for one that would be clearly only viable in the Paris park, perhaps a magic based Black Cauldron ride. Seems highly unlikely, but they do have the Welsh festival after all, and the Prydain books are quite successful around western Europe.
Your fourth paragraph sounds like ratatouille. Cannot wait for it, extra toilets, a restaurant, an exclusive ride, what looks like amazing theming, plus I think from the plans it looks like there will be parade doors so room for expansion. Yyaayyyy!
Quote from: "peter"Your fourth paragraph sounds like ratatouille. Cannot wait for it, extra toilets, a restaurant, an exclusive ride, what looks like amazing theming, plus I think from the plans it looks like there will be parade doors so room for expansion. Yyaayyyy!
Yes, my point precisely. It seems to me that rather than "Toy Story Playland" being a distinct area, the whole right hand side of WDSP is being turned into a Pixar themed place. I'm fine with that, as long as it doesn't spread.
When you think of the development as a whole, including a dark ride (Ratatouille), a thrill ride (Crush Coaster), four simpler rides (Toy Story & Cars) & it's own shop & restaurant, it all makes a lot of sense to me. When walking through the area, it became obvious to us that a themed area with Dark Ride was what was probably being planned for after you walk through the barrel, it's actually quite cohesive & makes a lot of sense.
As long as the Pixar theming doesn't spread to the rest of the park, and I'm quite happy with it all.
For me, Animagique, Cinemagique, Art of Disney Animation, Stitch Live & Playhouse Disney make sense being grouped together. As do ToT, Tram Tour, Moteurs... Action, RnRC & Armageddon. Seems to me like the Park fits nicely into three distinct areas. After all these years, its starting to all make sense, and the Ratatouille additions will certainly help. :D/ =D>
I have so many issues with TSPL, I do not know where to start:
Low capacity
Not great attractions for the northern European climate
Creatively lazy relying on toons and big icons
Imballanced attraction menu
Fun fair rides, some of which the whole family cannot ride together
Props that were ripped apart within a week of opening, some have been taken away permanently
PRecious land and budget wasted on these additions, so they are here to stay
Ugly to look at, further ruining the sight lines of frontierland and motors action
The fun fair rides at chessington and nickelodeanland at Blackpool Pleasure Beach have more style -Disney should never place themselves in that position of comparison.
I know this is a well worn path, but which Chessington attractions are you comparing with TSPL?
The new wild Asia area. I think they are comparable as they have taken a number of theme park standards and tied they together with one theme, added lots of picture points including an interactive tree, as well as a unique soundtrack and animal attractions. There is more variety, it is a similar size and opened the same year.
But do you not think it is better to have all pixar properties in the same place, rather than scattered across the 2 parks?
I would rather not have them at all. Disney parks are at their best when there is no synergy at all - btmrr, pm, PotC, iasw, TOT, soarin' etc. And a land that is just carnival rides should have never been built.
I think they can co-exist without much of a problem. I personally am not keen on the TSPL area as it looks a bit gaudy when you compare it the beautiful Disneyland Park but then I accept that it is a different park and it is there to represent films. Of those films Pixar are among the most popular for Disney and to not capitalise on them would be a missed opportunity to get a new generation of fans to the park.
My little boy loves Cars and Toy Story and so was absolutely thrilled to see the area when we went last year, even though we only went on the Cars ride as he was too small for the others. When we were planing the trip we told him about the Cars ride and he was ever so excited. However, he's also signing IASW 12 months later, so those classic rides did have an affect on him. Pixar got him excited before we went and classic Disneyland had the lasting impression - they both work together to make a complete experience.
I'd love the parks to stay in the classic mould of the rides and lands that we all love but as a business DLP has to attract new people and going down the Pixar route is an obvious and probably easy option. I'd love more dark rides but the whole of TSPL probably cost far less than 1 dark ride and was probably far quicker too construct too, whilst giving them multiple branded rides to market.
As long as they leave the other parts of the park alone I have no problem with them building new areas to help bring in new fans. The actual rides them self is not something I can comment on a great deal as I have not experienced them. People that don't like them, what would you have in their place that would have the same market value but also be done for the same price? Or, would you not have bothered at all and only developed at a slower pace that more expensive and complex rides would dictate? Park visitors are up, whether this is due to the introduction of TSPL or not is anyone's guess, but it seems like a bit of a coincidence.
I have a far bigger issue with things like Buzz replacing Visionarium. By all means put new rides in new areas, but replacing classic rides with ones that don't ft the style of land at all is a big no no for me. That attraction should have been in WDS.
That's my point. Once the Ratatouille area is finished, it'll make sense as an area. Big rides, small rides, theming, photospots.
I can see many of Dave's points, (especially about the low capacity of the rides, I imagine the ques can get rather large in high season, but then, so does Dumbo & many other smaller rides) but I feel once the whole area is complete, it'll work as intended. Personally I like the theming of both the ToyStory & Radiator Springs parts. Having them as an introduction to a more heavily themed (& French) area for the dark ride should work well.
[edit] Sorry, when I said "that's my point" I was referring to Peter's comment below:
Quote from: "peter"But do you not think it is better to have all pixar properties in the same place, rather than scattered across the 2 parks?
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"The new wild Asia area. I think they are comparable as they have taken a number of theme park standards and tied they together with one theme, added lots of picture points including an interactive tree, as well as a unique soundtrack and animal attractions. There is more variety, it is a similar size and opened the same year.
Nice as WildAsia is, I've never got any sense of immersion from it or even the same level of fun as TSPL, and I'm fairly sure if we saw dodgems in DLP we'd not be too happy. I do like the tree which is fun, but game stalls to win a stuffed tigers, dodgems and some not so great painted panels tend to bring it down IMO.
Still, different strokes!
Disney California Adventure actually has a dodgems ride, called Tuck & Roll's Drive Em' Buggies, albeit a very slow one.
[youtube:1lnmwh47]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaoyxUacFbc&hd=1[/youtube:1lnmwh47]
and very boring. My kids were 2 and 4 when they rode tuck n roll, and were totally bored.
boy do those dodgems look fun. this has made me go book a holiday to disneyland california :^o
but seriously, dodgems(depending on size) can be really high capacity, i went to some travelling fair where they had 35 dodgems on at a time, could you imagine if they did a mega-dodgems thing, where you had hundreds of dodgems :lol:
Im not sure if anyone else has found this but I just noticed that on Bing maps if you find WDS you can see two different time periods of the park at two different zoom levels. As you are zooming in you can see a relatively current version of the park complete with Toy Story Playland and Crushes Coaster but as soon as you reach a certain point you are shown a very young park -- Tower of Terror's foundations arent even set. Here is the link:
//http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=48.8670187333804~2.7780535680153173&lvl=16&dir=0&sty=h&form=LMLTCC
I wasnt sure where to post this (or if i should start a new topic). Im new here but definitely a big fan :)
Yep, we've already known about that. XD Thanks for finding it, though. It's a good way of seeing how much the park has changed. :)
I have a question. Has Toy Story Playland actually increase attendance at the Walt Disney Studios park since it opened in August 2010?
I read that, a reason that Disney have gone off the idea of bringing Star Tours 2 to Disneyland Paris is because it didn't actually increase attendance at the American parks. Sure, it created an initial spike of interest, but it didn't really change anything in the long run.
I was under the belief that it's because Disney aren't enforcing a must have on it, because they enter a America exclusivity on it at the moment
Quote from: "Alan"I have a question. Has Toy Story Playland actually increase attendance at the Walt Disney Studios park since it opened in August 2010?
I read that, a reason that Disney have gone off the idea of bringing Star Tours 2 to Disneyland Paris is because it didn't actually increase attendance at the American parks. Sure, it created an initial spike of interest, but it didn't really change anything in the long run.
Figures for 2010 have been released - but take them with a pinch of salt, as they are not very accurate. Here is the link to dlp.info, which has the figures and also how they are wrong: http://www.dlp.info/News/2011/06/2010-v ... -from-tea/ (http://www.dlp.info/News/2011/06/2010-visitors-report-from-tea/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
In summary, the numbers are up, but this may not be right.
I've just visited for the first time since TSPL was built.
I know what people mean about the rides being essentially themed funfair attractions, but they've done them very nicely. As someone else has said, Dumbo, Magic Carpets, Orbitron etc are all just nicely themed versions of exactly the same ride and there are always big queues on those!
I really enjoyed TSPL, even though I just went on RC. I loved the theming. The Knex fences, the RC queue being a Scalectrix track and the huge models of Buzz and Rex made for some great photo opportunities.
Of course there is only a limited amount of money for new attractions, maybe cutting a few costs and doing TSPL on a tight budget has allowed them to spend a bit more on the new Ratatouille area.
Quote from: "Sully"I've just visited for the first time since TSPL was built.
I know what people mean about the rides being essentially themed funfair attractions, but they've done them very nicely. As someone else has said, Dumbo, Magic Carpets, Orbitron etc are all just nicely themed versions of exactly the same ride and there are always big queues on those!
I really enjoyed TSPL, even though I just went on RC. I loved the theming. The Knex fences, the RC queue being a Scalectrix track and the huge models of Buzz and Rex made for some great photo opportunities.
Of course there is only a limited amount of money for new attractions, maybe cutting a few costs and doing TSPL on a tight budget has allowed them to spend a bit more on the new Ratatouille area.
I couldn´t agree more! :D
Yeah, I guess maybe I should give it more credit than I do. The Toon Studio is the Studio's equivalent of Fantasyland -- it's where all of the animation films are, so you made a good point. :)
The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't even try to fit into the overall Studios theme. The area sticks out like a sore thumb in a place where everything you see is meant to be controlled.
The Art of Disney Animation fits into the studios theme quite well though, it tells us a bit about making an animation film. Toon Studio is also the place where the toons come to life, Toy story, Nemo and Cars, that's what we're ment to think and I can except it on that level, just like I can except Fantasyland and fairytales. When I was last in ths studios that part of the park was so popular, in the past people have left the park well before closing time to go Disneyland, now they want to stay in the studios longer it seemed to me. Toon Studio is just away for Disney to introduce their characters into the park, it doesn't help make it look like a real film studios, which it is not.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Toon Studio is just away for Disney to introduce their characters into the park, it doesn't help make it look like a real film studios, which it is not.
Not a real studio, but it is meant to be a Toon Studio, not a second Fantasyland. :) It's meant to seem as though they're filming scenes for Cars, Finding Nemo, etc. But Toy Story Playland doesn't fit with that at all.
True, but perhaps it doesn't fit in to a concept that has already failed.
neither ToT or Stitch Live fit the 'how it's made' studio idea but they're two very successful additions.
I'm actually glad TSPL departs from the working studio idea, and I'd rather they had never started it as it's perhaps too restrictive. That mistake (IMHO) having been made, I think the only way forward is for DLP to move on and broaden the idea. It still needs to somehow find a 'whole', a sense of being that can run throughout it but a working studio I don't think it will be (and maybe never was).
I love the idea of seeing how movies are made and there should be more of it, but that idea i think will always be perhaps too narrow to make WDS successful in either commercial or creative terms.
In the case of ToT, though, it fits because it's set in Hollywood. It's not meant to be a film set in Hollywood, but an actual place.
OK, I'm writing this as a Mum of 2 young children and whether you like it or not families like ours do count for a large percentage of visitors to DLP. We took our daughter when she was 17 months to WDS pre TSPL and to be honest there were very few attractions for us to do as a family - Cars, Margic Carpets and Playhouse Disney. We went back a year later and we could add Slinky Dog to the list. She loved TSPL and yes she could only go on one of the rides but she loved the theme. It meant something to her and she recognised the characters. Maybe it doesn't increase the number of visitors to the park by a huge number but I bet a lot of the visitors with young children will stay longer once there. Do I worry that it's not quite fitting with the general theme- not a dicky bird. It's bright, colourful and we had fun as a family. Yes the rides should have been capable of higher capacities but as we only ever go in November - shock, horror, I really don't care!!!
Other than Toon Studio, I can't see how Disney could introduce some of their popular toon characters and valuable film franchises into the park. I think Disney would say that TSPL takes us into a scene from the film, rather than showing us how a cartoon film is made, the Art of Disney Animation has more to do with that.
My favorite list of TSPL attraction:
1. RC Racer (great, but short)
2. Parachute Drops (nice, but short)
3. Slinky Dog (boring and short)
:)
Bever did RC Racer, as I am sure it would make me throw up. Slinky Dog is just a tiny bumpy thing that I have no interest in. But the parachutes are actually a lot of fun, and you have a nice view from the top, even my mother, who is having a bad back, has no problems with them, as they are just the right speed and the breaks go very smooth
What are the waiting times like for the TSPL Rides in Oct on at weekend?
Can anyone give me a bit of advice about the Toy Story rides? I get motion sickness quite badly for things that spin around etc.. Are any of the rides there like that? Just want to know which ones to avoid!! Many thanks!
I've just uploaded a new 1080p HD video to YouTube, of Toy Story Playland at Disneyland Paris, that I personally shot and edited. The video is 1m:22s long, so it won't take up much of your time. I hope you enjoy watching it. :D
[youtube:2k8bmj24]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKbvq4JilBk[/youtube:2k8bmj24]
Quote from: "CafeFantasia"I've just uploaded a new 1080p HD video to YouTube, of Toy Story Playland at Disneyland Paris, that I personally shot and edited. The video is 1m:22s long, so it won't take up much of your time. I hope you enjoy watching it. :D
[youtube:2qyjhy6i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKbvq4JilBk[/youtube:2qyjhy6i]
Yes, I just watched it on YouTube, very good! I have subscribed to you! My Channel is TheToonStudios.
Great video CafeFantasier. We loved the Slinky ride, it gave our then 4 yr old the courage to do more rides as she loved it so much. This year we are aiming for the Parachute Drops with her but luckly she is to small for RC Racer :oops: