Yes yes, I've mentioned it three times already... The smoking thing just gets on my nerves (although according to one vintage Camel ad, smoking really helps with that). But for the heck of it, and because I have far too much free time, here's what I imagined they could do to cover up all those ashtrays and send out a subtle, friendly message that smoking is to be done elsewhere. Inspired by the "recycle please" stickers at DL. It would be temporary, of course, until the old trash cans are phased out. What do you think? Too obtrusive?
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That's adorable. Very cute and subtle. Nice idea!
You need to put it in Spanish as well...
Quote from: "raptor1982"You need to put it in Spanish as well...
Why, are they the worst offenders? That would be "Gracias por no fumar", I guess...
I love it. It's much nicer to say "
Thank you for not smoking".
Quote from: "pussinboots"Quote from: "raptor1982"You need to put it in Spanish as well...
Why, are they the worst offenders? That would be "Gracias por no fumar", I guess...
Not sure if they smoke the most, but they certainly seem to care less about other people when they do. Most British people would stand away from the crowd to smoke, but with Spanish guests it seems to be a case of "how much smoke can I get in your face before the parade begins". Not that I mean to generalise or anything...
Send this to DLRP, please!
I think the problem is that there are a lot more Spanish visitors than from anywhere else, so it seems that they're the worst offenders... Personally I found that the French were more inconsiderate when it came to smoking... of course being Spanish myself, I'm a bit biased :roll:
And yes, it should be "Gracias for no fumar"
Love your idea pussinboots :D !
Looks good, but my problem with this will be that people will still smoke, even though it is banned, and then they will come to the bin (those that bother), find no ashtray and either chuck the end on the floor or worse still in the bin causing a fire potentially. I speak as a (very recent) ex-smoker who up until a few weeks ago would not be told by anyone that I couldn't smoke in an outdoor space - although at DLRP I would never smoke in queues or in the parade crowds, I would always hang around one of these bins away from others.
Quote from: "never2old"I think the problem is that there are a lot more Spanish visitors than from anywhere else, so it seems that they're the worst offenders... Personally I found that the French were more inconsiderate when it came to smoking... of course being Spanish myself, I'm a bit biased :roll:
And yes, it should be "Gracias for no fumar"
Love your idea pussinboots :D !
There are still less Spanish people in the parks than the Brits and the French. The reason why I said to have it in Spanish as well is because a lot of Spanish people don't understand French or English, compared to other countries in Europe. So often they're the ones that "break" the rules faster, simply because they don't understand what's allowed. So no hard feelings towards the Spanish friends, just helping them out! :D
I got very cross about smoking on my recent trip to DLRP. The amount of parents that smoke right next to their children and even right over their babies in prams was disgusting!
I thought about having a t-shirt made up which said "If you're smoking near children, shame on you" or "Smoking in my face really offends me, does this t-shirt offend you?" or "Smoking = Stupid" and on the back "Yes that means you!"
Oooo it does annoy me when I'm forced to breathe it! :evil:
The problem with adding Spanish is of course that once you add that, it's really not fair to exclude German, Dutch and Italian, and there's no room for all that on my little hypothetical sticker.
With just English and French, you have one Germanic language and one Romance language, so most Europeans should be able to transliterate it. "Ne pas fumer", "no fumar"...It ought to ring home, right?
And yes, some people will still be smoking anywhere, causing small fires etc. There isn't a sticker big enough to stop them. But it is my little belief that most DLRP guests simply don't know that they shouldn't be smoking everywhere -- and covering up the ashtrays (which are found on ALL trash cans at DLRP, to the consternation of many people from overseas) might help them understand.
I once accidentally hit a British woman while trying to signal to a French woman that I didn't appreciate her continuous flow of smoke into my face as we were waiting for the fireworks. The violence must end, haha.
QuoteThe problem with adding Spanish is of course that once you add that, it's really not fair to exclude German, Dutch and Italian
That's not true. Research at the resort have indicated that people from those countries are more likely to understand (a few words) French or English, while most Spanish guests don't. I'm not making this stuff up... :)
Hmm... What about a purely pictoral sign then?
The good thing about portuguese guests is that most of them speak more than our mother language; english, french and spanish. We start learning one language (english) on elementary school, and once we are finishing high school we have studied also french and spanish. I don't know why this kind of education is not applied in other european countries, but I think it would be a great idea if students from other countries have the opportunity to learn other languages. After all portuguese and spanish are two of the world's most widely spoken languages.
Quote from: "raptor1982"QuoteThe problem with adding Spanish is of course that once you add that, it's really not fair to exclude German, Dutch and Italian
That's not true. Research at the resort have indicated that people from those countries are more likely to understand (a few words) French or English, while most Spanish guests don't. I'm not making this stuff up... :)
I have to agree with raptor there.... Although some of us do speak more than 1 language, most spanish people speak just the one... we do learn English in school, but let's face it, if you never use a language, you forget it!
Quote from: "Stitch"Hmm... What about a purely pictoral sign then?
Yes, and make it big, and put it everywhere!!! So that there's no doubt in anyone's mind that smoking is NOT allowed!!!
i think that sticker's awesome! maybe have a different character depending on where the bin is? the language thing is a bit of an issue, but elsewhere in the park the bi-lingual signage tends to be French and English, maybe that's standard in DLP?
When I went, My friend who is like 38 smoked alot in the parks and at the Studios outside the Art of Disney Animation and he was smoking we was having a little conversation then I asked him not to smoke but completey ingored me and there was alot of people walking in the parks with a cigar in their fingers and the smell in people's faces so DLRP needs to be more serious with smoking.
What a nice idea puss! Really nice! They must do this! Just tell them! =D>
As for the languages: I don´t think there should be a spanish version or else. The simple phrase "Thank you for not smoking" shoud be something to know. And if not: It´s very very unfair to take just one language more to signs, shows, brochures etc. especial in europe. It´s not about what people understand and what they not understand. It´s about "savoir faire". I think that people understand it would make it more silly for them.
"Why take they spanish/dutch/german here and there and not my language???? That´s no service and discriminatory!"
Just remember the french themselves. They understand english and often a bit german but they hardly need a friendly "Bonjour, je ne said pas francais mais....."-phrase. It´s simply a kind of manners. (And yes I hear the people of other countries saying "Why spanish at playhouse disney?" and they won´t know or accept "Cause they are a big visitor group" but that´s another topic)
In my opinion the only option is to make a french and an english version. That´s something that other nations accept without a bad feeling inside their stomach.
But by the way: How much space for diffrent languages do you find on such a sticker :lol:
It´s a very nice low budget solution puss! Simply a great thing!
Thanks. I really doubt guest relations welcomes suggestions of this genre, though. Unfortunately.
But they seem to have just replaced all the trash cans on Main Street. Perhaps the new ones are ashtray-free?
Although I doubt it would really make a difference. People would just dispose of their cigarettes elsewhere, starting little fires and ruining paintwork. Europe may have banned smoking from its restaurants and public buildings, but it will take another couple of decades before people will think twice before lighting up outdoors. Even if they're surrounded by people who have not been asked whether they would enjoy inhaling their residual nicotine and tar.
As for languages... I thought; French for obvious reasons, English because it's the de facto lingua franca. Adding any other language would open the floodgates to what you described, Riebi. Putting everything in six languages would be madness anyway — imagine the restroom signs.
Seeing people smoke annoys me ! :x . They shouldn't even be smoking at DLRP , because Disneyland is Supposed to smell nice , not smell of tar and nicotine !