La Roquine, a very trustworthy moderator on Disney Central Plaza has heard several rumours from insiders at both Euro Disney SCA and TWDC (The Walt Disney Co.) that a next bunch of new attractions over the coming years will be financed, or co-financed, by Bob Iger & Jay Rasulo from TWDC! Nothing is certain of course and there are no official announcements yet.
I've moved this deliberatly to the Imagineering board, 'cause here we can start brainstorming about what, where and how! :idea: :D
As blue-sky as all that sounds, I can actually see it happening. The Walt Disney Company might have realised that if they want to ever get any real benefit back from DLRP, they're going to have to help keep up this flow of new attractions and building attendance, or it'll all fall apart again, as it did when the WDS opened without enough funding.
Anyway... brainstorming! Here's the possibilities I can think of with my own thoughts (feel free to post your own yes/no list):
- Soarin'
Hmm, yes and no. It's been strongly rumoured for ages now, but it still doesn't seem like a very 'DLRP' kind of attraction. It doesn't seem to have enough thrill, character or story. Look to the past and DLRP has done Indy (thrill), Tower (story) and the Toon Studio rides (pixar characters). However, maybe that just proves it's exactly what they need? It's very very bland anyway, so if it comes hopefully it'd be dressed up with some extra Hollywood style.
- Toy Story Mania
Yes from every angle - except for space. I can't figure where it'd fit in Toon Studio without major changes.
- Ratatouille
Very very possible now if you ask me (although I was skeptical before), considering it's the most popular film of 2007 in France. Maybe a 4D show presented in Le Ratatouille restaurant, with all the rats running around preparing a meal - complete with seat vibrations, a few small Audio-Animatronics and - of course - scents. Might just about fit behind Art of Disney Animation.
The story would be Rémy filming a TV cookery show, and you're the audience (with 3D glasses).
- Splash Mountain / Indy
The next wave of attractions has to bring a new E-Ticket for DLP.
- Build Splash because it's insanely popular, completely different for DLRP, fills a gap for a water ride, provides a nice weenie in the corner of Frontierland and will take a little strain from BTM as the park fills up with these 14m+ guests.
- Build Indy because it's high-tech, indoor, huge capacity, fabulously themed, tied into the franchise which returns in 2008, would probably be a bit cheaper than Splash, fills an empty area, etc.
But honestly, I can't decide between those two.
Seeing what they've got planned for DCA, the twists and turns Toon Studio took in eventually giving us two brand new attractions, and so on... it's really hard to predict anything. Only Soarin' and an extra Toon Studio attraction are very very likely IMO. :idea:
Quote from: "raptor1982"La Roquine, a very trustworthy moderator on Disney Central Plaza has heard several rumours from insiders at both Euro Disney SCA and TWDC (The Walt Disney Co.) that a next bunch of new attractions over the coming years will be financed, or co-financed, by Bob Iger & Jay Rasulo from TWDC! Nothing is certain of course and there are no official announcements yet.
Sorry raptor to seem dumb, but in more detail what does this mean and is it good for the resort ?
WOW :shock: ! This is amazing news. I think Baloo has pretty much listed all of the main possibilities (Soarin', Indy, Toy Story Mania, Splash) and I think that the Ratatouille idea is fantastic as well. Apart from these, I'd imagine that Monsters Inc and The Little Mermaid dark rides from DCA are also strong contenders. Winnie the Pooh could be as well :)
Owain: basically it means that the Walt Disney Company in Burbank would pay for new attractions in Paris to give our resort a push in the back, like Baloo said.
The whole story doesn't sound that far stretched. Maybe it was linked to the surprise visits by Bob Iger and Jay Rasulo a couple of months ago?
Anyway, here's what La Roquine thinks which new additions we could get:
Quote from: "La Roquine"- 2009: Playhouse Disney show at WDS + a new show at Disneyland Park.
- 2010: Soarin' and another attraction. He thinks of the Little Mermaid ride at either Fantasyland or Toon Studio.
- 2011: 2 or 3 small attractions and improvements at Studio Tram Tour with the creation of a new zone at WDS.
- 2012: Something big at Disneyland Park. Although he hopes for Indiana Jones, he thinks they'll probably go for a new version of Splash Mountain.
Imagine if would get all of that... :shock:
these are really amazing news, it makes me so exited and curious,
i hope we get any news about the new additions very early.
maybe we get the news on the birtday of the park it would be funny :P
Quote from: "La Roquine"- 2009: Playhouse Disney show at WDS + a new show at Disneyland Park.
- 2010: Soarin' and another attraction. He thinks of the Little Mermaid ride at either Fantasyland or Toon Studio.
- 2011: 2 or 3 small attractions and improvements at Studio Tram Tour with the creation of a new zone at WDS.
- 2012: Something big at Disneyland Park. Although he hopes for Indiana Jones, he thinks they'll probably go for a new version of Splash Mountain.
Whoa. The rumours are even bigger than the blue sky thinkings of fans? :shock: :lol:
2010 is ambitious for two big attractions like that. They'd have to start building early in 2008. I guess we'll have to see how the First Quarter 2008 results shape up....
I forgot about Studio Tram Tour, this has to be the one thing at WDS beyond Theater District that needs doing soon. A new zone at the park too? With
2 or 3 small attractions? I really don't know what to say... Can't even think of "2 or 3 small attractions" they could build at WDS, with a different theme to the rest of the park... Flat rides like Cars, walk-throughs like the Walt Disney Story?
omg how exciting, splash mountain, soarin and the little mermaid woohoooooooo, lets hope that these rumours are true and that they start building soon :D I would love a Emperors New Groove water ride over by indy, it would make adventure land more special as to me it lacks something despite having 2 great rides.
Well, well... let's not get ahead of ourselves, shall we?
The Walt Disney Company seems to be determined to invest large sums into its theme parks (most notably Disney's California Adventure and Disney's Hollywood Studios) - so I find it plausible that the company might direkt some funds to its European and Asian resorts... Though one has to wonder how many ressources Disney can free up for its theme park division. (Which is quite cost intensive and the return on investment is pretty much just long-term...)
Anyway, the WDC might grant Euro Disney another credit line which would allow for an expansion of the resort. (Similar to what they did with Space Mountain in the early 90's.)
And now before starting to dream up new attractions, keep in mind that Euro Disney would probably use these funds also to finally realize other expansion on its site and not just within the berms of its theme parks. (The long planned convention centre comes to mind...)
Quote from: "raptor1982"Owain: basically it means that the Walt Disney Company in Burbank would pay for new attractions in Paris to give our resort a push in the back, like Baloo said.
Thanks for explaining it raptor, well if this is true then more great news for the resort :D
*cough* SPLASH ! *cough* :P
Great news! :D I hope we get some of those attractions that are rumoured. A new zone in WDS, hmm :-k i wonder what it could be or is it the Theater District? And STT improvements! This is too good to be true, i know they are rumours but if we are to get just a few things (STT improvements, Soarin' and Splash Mountain are what i want the most) there will still be a big difference in DLRP :D
This all sounds quite good to me. I hope it's all true! :)
I was thinking that instead of Splash Mountain, they could build a new, original water ride. After watching Pocahontas the ther night, I thought of "Pocahontas' River Ride" :lol: It could have a normal Splash Mountain layout, but be themed to Pocahontas'. You sit in the logs and go past scenes from the movie :)
I expect we won't get something original though and we'll get a Splash Mountain clone, which would still be great.
I find it plausable that this type of rethink in investment sourcing may occur at a time when major plans are afoot in other WDC parks.
Soarin it has to be admitted is a great crowd draw and as far as the studios is concerned it may help the crush situation by pulling people away from it which for some reason ToT does not seem to be doing. It would not be my choice though IMO its pretty dull and rather "wow, is that it..what was the fuss about". But its proven technology and a proven crowd draw for all ages.
Splash Mountain I have never understood for DLP even if it has appeared on blueprints or renderings. How on earth this would work in a park that spends some of its time in below freezing conditions baffles me. What would work is something similar but completely re imagineered with the Parisian Climate taken into consideration.
I rode Monsters inc on previews before it was fully finished and was not inpressed, a few weeks ago I rode it in its working stage and have to admit the storytelling had come together and it was better. Its probably nice and cheap in comparism to other things and would fit well into toon land, as would the roger rabbit ride from California.
With the new mermaid ride in development it makes sense that this would be rolled out over more than one park, maybe even in slightly different forms a la Nemo.
Personally I would like to see a new major show event to replace the current line up in Anamagique and Cinemagique being developed. I hope for a new hotel too and improvements to the transport hub; quality full service dining in the studios along with a new E ride attraction to hold the attendance to warrant this.
Im sure we will get something, it's not good business to lose momentum in 2009,10 and 11 if you started the ball rolling in 2007/8 in such spectacular fashion.
Quote from: "RnRCj"This all sounds quite good to me. I hope it's all true! :)
I was thinking that instead of Splash Mountain, they could build a new, original water ride. After watching Pocahontas the ther night, I thought of "Pocahontas' River Ride" :lol: It could have a normal Splash Mountain layout, but be themed to Pocahontas'. You sit in the logs and go past scenes from the movie :)
I expect we won't get something original though and we'll get a Splash Mountain clone, which would still be great.
i like that idea.... wonder if its viable for it to be mainly indoor to ensure its popular and functional throughout the full year?
Wow thats fantastic!!!!!!
i hope it does happen. 1 ride i thought may be good, but to my knoledge has never been thought of at dlp? would b a version of test track themed around cars, which could possibly sweep down into the stt and have some form of scene about that! :?: :)
Some more news from MiceChat member Soundtracker who had a chat with La Rouquine:
QuoteBut, since it's all out in the open now anyway, I might as well tell you that I was chatting to him this morning, and he said that we should expect DLRP managers to make an official announcement about funding from the Walt Disney Company sometime between now and May/June.
There is a provisional four year plan (entirely dependent on how much money - if any - is awarded) that would see a raft of new attractions built between now and 2012, as well as a major overhaul of Adventureland. I won't say any more than that, as I'm sworn to (relative) secrecy. Suffice to say that each park would receive a new E-ticket, and the one in the works for the Disneyland Park sounds very intriguing indeed.
As always, however, take this news with a large pinch of salt. None of it is set in stone, and everything could change at a moment's notice!
If its true, this might become very, very interesting if not already. One E-ticket attraction per park, so my bet is:
-Soarin' for the Studios (at least I hope so since I'm truly a fan of this attraction haha)
-Indiana Jones Adventure for Disneyland Park (remember that the Adventureland upgrade can contain the addition of Jack Sparrow to Pirates, Pirates Lair from Disneyland at Adventure Isle which seems like a natural fit, Raging Spirits overlay for the current Indy coaster since two attractions featuring the Indiana Jones name seems quite unlikely to me; many confused guests etc. I think there is many potential in the Adventureland update, especially since this area of the park seems in need of some attention.)
On the other hand, I can also see them adding Star Tours 2 in a few years, Phantom Manor updates or a Pooh darkride. Everyone seems to be guessing, and just a few seem to be really in the know. In the meantime, I think that Indiana Jones Adventure and Soarin' are both safe bets. =D>
Hmm very interesting, i really hope this is true [-o<
An E-ticket in both parks, brilliant! I hope soarin' is one although i've never been on the american ones. I know it's just a rumour but i'd we'll know in may/june what truth is in this, can't wait :D
Maarten - you guessed that a Phantom Manor update could be a possibility, just wondering are you guessing this or is there a rumour about an update. What would the update have? In my opinion PM doesn't need an update, a refub to fix stuff that's broken and change the strechroom voice back to Vincent Price yes.
Quote from: "-breeno-"Maarten - you guessed that a Phantom Manor update could be a possibility, just wondering are you guessing this or is there a rumour about an update. What would the update have? In my opinion PM doesn't need an update, a refub to fix stuff that's broken and change the strechroom voice back to Vincent Price yes.
There is no rumour about an update for Phantom Manor as far as I know. But the Haunted Mansions in Orlando and Anaheim both received an update, while in the meantime the Mansion in Tokyo was rumoured to receive an update aswell. These updates are just small; new lightning, changing the current glass ball of Madame Leota into a soaring glass ball, adding projections of an evil bride (well, thematically this wouldnt make any sense in Paris so they could skip that for example). They did add a brandnew scene with moving staircases in Orlando however, but I guess they wouldnt add that particular scene since it costs to much while adding just little to the storyline of Phantom Manor.
But I meant just a few touches to bring Phantom Manor into the 21st century with some new techniques... like the other Mansions. In the States these updates where a succes and I think our Manor can also benefit from this. :)
Ah right thanks for explaining Maarten, i was a little confused, i thought you meant to change all of PM and modernise it which would make it lose it's great story :lol:
Well good news :), accept im guessing Splash is out of the picture again but im sure it will come some time in the future.
Id love for indy adventure to come and adventure land updates :)
I think they're going for Splash Mountain. DLRP is already very popular in the winter months with Halloween and Christmas, but attendance was dropping the past few years (except 2007's of course) during the summer seasons, which can be very hot and there's no water ride in sight, unless you go to Parc Asterix. A water ride wouldn't hurt, and I'm convinced Imagineers can work out most of the wetness during colder months. :)
Boarin' I mean Soarin would be a disaster IMO. It's a hugely expensive attraction with no real theme and with rubbish re-rideability. I personally hope that the soarin plans never make it off the drawing board.
I think we might actually receive some original attractions as well as a few copys. The reason I say this is that the top guys in the Disney company have stated that they don't want to roll out clones in all the parks, they want each park to have different attractions or different versions of them.
Heres what could be possible:
Splash Mountain
if we do get splash it will be a different version themed to either the jungle book or pirates of the carribean (yes I know we have a POTC ride already but we also have an Indiana Jones ride but that didn't stop DLRP designing IAJA to sit next to it. Also Hong Kong disneyland was due to get a POTC ride which was a hybrid of the current ride and splash mountain so most of the imagineering could already have been done)
IAJA
I personally think the best ride DLRP could choose would be IAJA, it's a year round attraction and public interest will be renewed after the new film in the summer.
The little mermaid
I'd say if we do get this it may be the version which was originally planned years ago and not the version going into DCA
Beauty and the Beast animatronic show
If Disney are preparing to dust off plans for the little mermaid why wouldn't they consider this show as well? originally this was to have an animatronic 'beast' and 'staff' mixed with real actors and set in a highly themed castle. Maybe this could happen? Or maybe it could somehow come to life as a Ratatouille concept as someone else mentioned?
Monsters Inc/Toy story Mania
Both these rides are sure to be a hit and while I would prefer Monsters Inc, Toy Story 3 due out in 2010 so it would be a perfect fit for the studios at the same time (plus we could get a Toy Story pizza planet restaurant!)
Narnia show/ride
I'm really suprised that a show/ride hasn't been built for this yet as it's set to be Disneys next big franchise. It would also be a good 'live action' addition to the studios instead of just adding animation related attractions.
Something none of us have thought of?
It really wouldn't suprise me if Disney pull something out of their hats which we are not expecting.
Quote from: "raptor1982"I think they're going for Splash Mountain. DLRP is already very popular in the winter months with Halloween and Christmas, but attendance was dropping the past few years (except 2007's of course) during the summer seasons, which can be very hot and there's no water ride in sight, unless you go to Parc Asterix. A water ride wouldn't hurt, and I'm convinced Imagineers can work out most of the wetness during colder months. :)
WOOOOOHOOOOO ! My faveourite ride might be coming to the best Disney resort :D
Thanks raptor =D>
All i will do now is pray ! [-o<
I have said it before and agree with the previous post.. Soarin is one of the dullest rides to ever come out of the Imagineers brain.. It has zero re ridability and is the ultimate bad loader q generator. Its one quality, which is why it atrracts such huge numbers, is that its a major hyped ride thats suitable for everyone, all ages etc.. Now if they could just think of meeting that goal with an interesting ride instead of one that cures insomnia on the second ride they would be getting somewhere.
Im really hoping for something new and possibly another show venue style attraction.
If we do have to lumbered with a wet ride in a cold season park lets hope its something new and not just a transplant of the ageing Splash mountain.
Honestly, I'm surprised at the negativity towards "Soarin" - in 2006, it was definitely my favourite attraction at Epcot ... which I rode several times without getting bored...
Boarding is an issue, but considering the lower attendance levels at the Studios wouldn't pose that much of a problem... (It wouldn't hurt having another ride at this park where you'd actually have to queue a bit...)
Im with most of the other guys on this one. Its not the most inspiring of attractions. Really low on themeing, which is not what we need in the studios, and with no real draw to make me want to ride it again. I hope that it does not make it to DLRP
re the little mermaid
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This looks very like Epcots Nemo ride
Quote from: "experiment627"Honestly, I'm surprised at the negativity towards "Soarin" - in 2006, it was definitely my favourite attraction at Epcot ... which I rode several times without getting bored...
It was also one of my favourite attractions! :lol: It was a simple ride but it was absolutely brilliant - One of the best "simulator" type rides I've been on. It really did feel like like you were flying! I can't understand why so many people don't like it. :?
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "experiment627"Honestly, I'm surprised at the negativity towards "Soarin" - in 2006, it was definitely my favourite attraction at Epcot ... which I rode several times without getting bored...
It was also one of my favourite attractions! :lol: It was a simple ride but it was absolutely brilliant - One of the best "simulator" type rides I've been on. It really did feel like like you were flying! I can't understand why so many people don't like it. :?
Agreed, I think Soarin' is really the best attraction Disney has created in the last 10 years. I have been on DCA's about 7 times, and Epcot's 4, and I cannot wait to ride it again at DCA in March. But I never get the Europeans' taste in park attractions. As much as I like coasters, I can honestly say, I hope Disney never builds another coaster at Marne Le Vallee.
Soarin' is far more important to me than Crush, RNRC, BTMRR, SM or IJTDP. Others find it boaring. But what do I know, I totally miss Le Visionarium - another genious attraction that was not popular. Then again the rubes queue for HISTA, and that's aweful.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "experiment627"Honestly, I'm surprised at the negativity towards "Soarin" - in 2006, it was definitely my favourite attraction at Epcot ... which I rode several times without getting bored...
It was also one of my favourite attractions! :lol: It was a simple ride but it was absolutely brilliant - One of the best "simulator" type rides I've been on. It really did feel like like you were flying! I can't understand why so many people don't like it. :?
Agreed, I think Soarin' is really the best attraction Disney has created in the last 10 years. I have been on DCA's about 7 times, and Epcot's 4, and I cannot wait to ride it again at DCA in March. But I never get the Europeans' taste in park attractions. As much as I like coasters, I can honestly say, I hope Disney never builds another coaster at Marne Le Vallee.
Soarin' is far more important to me than Crush, RNRC, BTMRR, SM or IJTDP. Others find it boaring. But what do I know, I totally miss Le Visionarium - another genious attraction that was not popular. Then again the rubes queue for HISTA, and that's aweful.
I completely agree with all of you. Soarin' is an amazing attraction in my humble opinion. And I agree with Dave's comment about the amount of coasters at Disneyland Resort Paris aswell. It's time for an attraction at the Studios that can be enjoyed by all ages... even te latest additions don't provide that. :|
Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "RnRCj"It was also one of my favourite attractions! :lol: It was a simple ride but it was absolutely brilliant - One of the best "simulator" type rides I've been on. It really did feel like like you were flying! I can't understand why so many people don't like it. :?
Agreed, I think Soarin' is really the best attraction Disney has created in the last 10 years. I have been on DCA's about 7 times, and Epcot's 4, and I cannot wait to ride it again at DCA in March. But I never get the Europeans' taste in park attractions. As much as I like coasters, I can honestly say, I hope Disney never builds another coaster at Marne Le Vallee.
Soarin' is far more important to me than Crush, RNRC, BTMRR, SM or IJTDP. Others find it boaring. But what do I know, I totally miss Le Visionarium - another genious attraction that was not popular. Then again the rubes queue for HISTA, and that's aweful.
I completely agree with all of you. Soarin' is an amazing attraction in my humble opinion. And I agree with Dave's comment about the amount of coasters at Disneyland Resort Paris aswell. It's time for an attraction at the Studios that can be enjoyed by all ages... even te latest additions don't provide that. :|
So basically you want the Studios to take another step backwards and add a ride with no theming? Is that not the worst thing they could possibly do?!?!? I think the technology behind Soarin' is great and if we were talking about a highly themed version based on one or more live action films I might be interested but for the money this attraction costs it's a complete rip off.
Does anyone really think people will travel from all over europe to ride Soarin' like they would TOT or Space Mountain?
I agree whole heartedly that we need rides that everyone can go on but Soarin in it's current state is very Bland, is that really the best Disney can do after masterpieces like Phantom Mannor, POTC and IAJA?
Just wondering, what are the costs of a Splash Mountain compared to a new Indy Adventure?
I'd imagine the EMV technology for Indy is very expensive, but all the heavy construction for the water channels of Splash must be pretty costly too. :?
Quote from: "Yesitsme"So basically you want the Studios to take another step backwards and add a ride with no theming? Is that not the worst thing they could possibly do?!?!? I think the technology behind Soarin' is great and if we were talking about a highly themed version based on one or more live action films I might be interested but for the money this attraction costs it's a complete rip off.
Does anyone really think people will travel from all over europe to ride Soarin' like they would TOT or Space Mountain?
Why do you think it would be without any appropriate theming?
And no, I don't think people would travel from all over Europe to ride Soarin' - just like they don't travel from all over Europe to see Cinémagique or Moteurs... Action or to ride attractions like Phantom Manor or Pirates of the Caribbean... but just like those, I really believe that Soarin would be an attraction people would rave about to friends and family after a visit to Disney...
Quote from: "Yesitsme"So basically you want the Studios to take another step backwards and add a ride with no theming? Is that not the worst thing they could possibly do?!?!?
To me Crush's Coaster with its unimaginative coaster section in the dark is already the step backwards you refered to. To me Soarin' is an amazing attraction with a wonderful theme, score and film. Was the Visionarium theatre themed anyway? No one ever complained about that either.
Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "Yesitsme"So basically you want the Studios to take another step backwards and add a ride with no theming? Is that not the worst thing they could possibly do?!?!?
To me Crush's Coaster with its unimaginative coaster section in the dark is already the step backwards you refered to. To me Soarin' is an amazing attraction with a wonderful theme, score and film. Was the Visionarium theatre themed anyway? No one ever complained about that either.
I have always liked you Maarten, and posts like above remind me why. Crush and Cars, while a lot of fun, I would never call them highly themed. They are fun fair attractions like at a Carnival. Soarin' is unique!
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I have always liked you Maarten, and posts like above remind me why. Crush and Cars, while a lot of fun, I would never call them highly themed. They are fun fair attractions like at a Carnival. Soarin' is unique!
I dont no about crush, but what ive see of cars its looks very highley themed. :?
Quote from: "Owain"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I have always liked you Maarten, and posts like above remind me why. Crush and Cars, while a lot of fun, I would never call them highly themed. They are fun fair attractions like at a Carnival. Soarin' is unique!
I dont no about crush, but what ive see of cars its looks very highley themed. :?
Yes, I'd say Cars is very well themed as well. :? I think Crush is themed quite well, but in the coaster section theming is pretty much non-existent. :roll:
I don't understand where some people are going here the toon studios are themed very well. The attractions themselves too are themed well,the coaster part is a coaster part. Have you seen EE at animal kingdom, theming is out of this world,$100 millon, but the coaster ride goes 55 miles per hour, somebody please explain how you theme a ride that goes 55 miles per hour.
Spalsh mountain should not be built because of the weather, we are used to this weather and still go on flume rides that did not have the investment that would go into such a ride.This is disney remember.
Soarin in a step backwards, i could not comment on that one i would get banned.
The list that Raptor wrote is out of this world, i cannot understand why people are making negative statements
Ok everyone, let's leave the already existing attractions for what they are, and lets get back to the brainstorming for new attractions funded by The Walt Disney Co. :D
Quote from: "raptor1982"Ok everyone, let's leave the already existing attractions for what they are, and lets get back to the brainstorming for new attractions funded by The Walt Disney Co. :D
Maybe if spalsh didnt come they could brain storm up a river rapid ride like girzzly river run in DCA or Kali River Rapids in AK ?
I don't like river rapids, they're almost always disappointing when you ride them. And too wet. A few years back lots of people wanted a kind of highly-themed water coaster for the spot.
About the Beauty and the Beast animatronic show for Fantasyland: I've always wondered how they'd fit such a huge building on what looks like a tiny backstage space... Is it really ever going to be used for future development?
i don´t like river rapids too, they´re not just dissapointing they´re boring too and for winter month in europe to wet.
i don´t understand whats so wrong in soarin i like it is something diferent and i think a lot of visitors will like these attraction, i don´t wanna say it have to come but im happy about every new attraction disney will built and when it is a copy then it is nobody can change it!!!
If you have a look on Google Earth, there is quite a lot of space in the gap between Cinemagique and the TV studios, and then if you look behind the fence there is a large amount of land before you get to the railway line. I don't know if this is enough for Soarin' or not but it looks like it could be.
Quote from: "Baloo"Just wondering, what are the costs of a Splash Mountain compared to a new Indy Adventure?
I'd imagine the EMV technology for Indy is very expensive, but all the heavy construction for the water channels of Splash must be pretty costly too. :?
I think they are roughly the same price. I have heard people talk about 200 million for IAJA (dollars) but that would only work out to between 100 and 150 million euros which would make it cheaper than TOT,
Quote from: "experiment627"Quote from: "Yesitsme"So basically you want the Studios to take another step backwards and add a ride with no theming? Is that not the worst thing they could possibly do?!?!? I think the technology behind Soarin' is great and if we were talking about a highly themed version based on one or more live action films I might be interested but for the money this attraction costs it's a complete rip off.
Does anyone really think people will travel from all over europe to ride Soarin' like they would TOT or Space Mountain?
Why do you think it would be without any appropriate theming?
What makes you think it would? IF it had a strong theme I would be more than happy for them to build it but I honestly believe that if they build Soarin' it will be a direct clone with no theming,
Quote from: "experiment627"And no, I don't think people would travel from all over Europe to ride Soarin' - just like they don't travel from all over Europe to see Cinémagique or Moteurs... Action or to ride attractions like Phantom Manor or Pirates of the Caribbean... but just like those, I really believe that Soarin would be an attraction people would rave about to friends and family after a visit to Disney...
Surely an E-Ticket needs to draw people from all over Europe to be worth the money???
I don't think you can count PM and POTC in the same comment you just made. They are not attractions which have opened after the park was built in order to bring in more guests, they are part of what people 'expect' from a Disney theme park so in a way people DO travel from all over Europe to see them.
Also to the people who have commented on Crush and Cars...They are D ticket attractions and as D Ticket attractions I think they are great, and with the increase in attendance levels I think they have proven that they are a draw for visitors.
Soarin is classed as an E-ticket ride (it certainly has the budget of one) that means when we compare it to see if we are getting value for money we need to compare it to rides like Splash Mountain, TOT, IAJA, Space Mountain and Everest not D and C tickets like Crush, Cinemagique etc
Finally...It's not my intention to upset anyone with my comments (infact I find it rather interesting to hear why other people think what they do) so please don't take my opinions in the wrong way :)
P.S. Soarin' is rubbish! ;)
Quote from: "Baloo"About the Beauty and the Beast animatronic show for Fantasyland: I've always wondered how they'd fit such a huge building on what looks like a tiny backstage space... Is it really ever going to be used for future development?
I don't think there would be a problem, the majority of the attraction would probably sit the other side of the train tracks.
B&B wasn't supposed to come near the train tracks. It's location was behind Bella Notte.
Quote from: "Yesitsme"Also to the people who have commented on Crush and Cars...They are D ticket attractions and as D Ticket attractions I think they are great, and with the increase in attendance levels I think they have proven that they are a draw for visitors.
In your original comment you talked about the addition of Soarin' as a step backwards to the Studios. So its only normal for me to make a comment about the current state of attractions in the Studios then, especially the newest additions, not the E-tickets in the Disneyland Park. And besides, even from a D-ticket like Crush I migh expect quality, but to me it doesn't even reach the quality level I come to expect from a D-ticket. The coaster part is simply unthemed. Thats something no Disney attraction is ever allowed to, not even an A-ticket. Every attraction, garden, castmember costume etc should be themed or fit the theme. Thats what a Disney experience is all about. Crush doesn't deliver on its promise in my opinion, especially when you take in consideration which techniques they have used at the same time at the Subs in Anaheim or The Seas at Epcot, when you take in consideration that the coaster is too extreme for small children while they choose to "theme" the attraction to an animated film, and because of its downtime.
To me Soarin' rocks. I agree the theatre itself isn't really themed, but I guess thats quite difficult. Besides that, the film itself makes up for that because it immerses big time, unlike Crush's Coaster. The queue area will be the area where guests will spend most of the time, and there is no sign that this will be unthemed, especially since the exsisting Soarin' queue's (especially at DCA) are themed quite well. On top of that, Soarin' will become part of Theatre District, which will focus on different ways of presenting a films. That way the loading area isn't supposed to be an entirely different world, while Crush's Coaster wants its guests to believe that they are in a different world; a world where Toons shoot there films and where the EAC is recreated. But it lacks, like I said before.
Besides, wether a new attraction is a draw for visitors doesn't mean the attraction contains a quality experience. People get attracted because of the name and films they associate with these attractions, but no one knows what the satisfaction rate is right? How high is the amount of revisits since Toon Studio opened? Thats seems more like an indication of its succes to me. But even then, like I said earlier, financial succes isn't the same as a creative succes. Thats an entirely different issue.
You are comparing Soarin' (E-ticket) to Crush (D-Ticket) which makes no sense. If you truly want to compare Soarin' you need to compare it to another E-ticket.
I agree whole heartedly that Crush could be a lot better, expecially as it is a Disney attraction, and you could well be right about whether people would return to ride it again. I'm sure if Crush had a budget of 150 million and not the rumoured 40 million we would have something truly amazing on our hands but cost was a major factor.
You say that no Disney attraction should ever have the kind of basic coaster section as in Crush (agreed) but you want the park to build Soarin which I find just as bad. It basically is a hand glider simulator in a warehouse, with a queue line with a few aeronautical props and posters. I've been to DCA and I didn't find any decent themeing on Soarin'
I question whether Soarin' really does give you a completely immersive experience. I agree that once on the ride it is a good 'show' but does it completely immerse you in a world like true Disney E-tickets? I personaly don't think it does, it's just a very very expensive show. If it cost the same as Crush I'd be begging them to build it but for the money I'd rather they built something increadibly well themed which places you into a believeable environment from the minute you get close to it ala POTC and TOT (although TOT doesn't work nearly as well as it does in MGM)
If they could just come up with a fantastic theme/use for the Soarin technology I'd be very happy!
Im just hoping for splash, DLRP first real water ride, very popular in the american parks and it could be re-imagineered for paris :)
Plus even if it was a copy ive been watching the american videos over again to refresh my memory (havnt been to america in a couple of years) and its got brilliatn themeing. Top ride for DLRP. And also i love IJA, been watching videos of it, :o The themeing !
Quote from: "Yesitsme"You are comparing Soarin' (E-ticket) to Crush (D-Ticket) which makes no sense. If you truly want to compare Soarin' you need to compare it to another E-ticket.
No, I don't. Like I said, you mentioned that Soarin' would be a step backwards for the Studios (the entire park). In that case one should compare Soarin' to the quality of the current offerings at the Studios, otherwise you should have made another statement. One should compare wether Soarin' has a lower quality then any attraction at the Studios like you mentioned. Personally, I don't think so. To me Crush, although a D-ticket instead of an E-ticket already lacks more quality then Soarin', so to me Soarin' can't make the park worse since it doesn't go below the standards of Crush, the worst attraction at the Studios in my humble opinion. And ofcourse I understand they are in a different league, but even for a D-ticket, Crush lacks. I don't compare the scale of attractions... I compare quality. And a good D-ticket can be just as good as an E-ticket. Its possible to compare a certain amount of attractions within a park, as long as you compare attractions in their own right.
QuoteI agree whole heartedly that Crush could be a lot better, expecially as it is a Disney attraction, and you could well be right about whether people would return to ride it again. I'm sure if Crush had a budget of 150 million and not the rumoured 40 million we would have something truly amazing on our hands but cost was a major factor.
In that case they should have come up with something else. There is no excuse for a Disney attraction (D-ticket or not), not to deliver the quality that one may expect from such an attraction. As a paying guest, I don't care wether Disney had the money or not to do it right. To me Soarin', although with its unthemed theatre, does give me a unique, quality experience like only Disney can provide. Just like Le Visionarium did for example...
QuoteYou say that no Disney attraction should ever have the kind of basic coaster section as in Crush (agreed) but you want the park to build Soarin which I find just as bad. It basically is a hand glider simulator in a warehouse, with a queue line with a few aeronautical props and posters. I've been to DCA and I didn't find any decent themeing on Soarin'
Like I mentioned in my earlier post; to me the film makes up for it. And I like the queue area (although not Disney at its best, I totally agree) with its area music and pics and props which give me a sense of history and aviation. Besides that, its difficult to theme the theatre itself properly (unlike the coaster section in Crush) and it fits the theme of Theatre District where one is able to learn more about the techniques and ways of showing films if I am right. But once again, why did no one ever complain about our beloved Le Visionarium?
Well, lets face it. You don't like Soarin' at all, and thats your right to do so. On the other hand, I adore Soarin'. So maybe we should stop this discussion about Crush/Soarin' because unfortunatley we aren't going to agree... but thats one of the beautiful things of a discussion board; everyone is entitled to his own opinion, and everyone should respect that. :)
(Hopefully you understand my posts, since its quite difficult for me to find the right words sometimes and expres myself. English isn't my mothertongue.) :wink:
I really dont understand why people rate soarin'
As previously said. if you compare apples with apples, and oranges with oranges, the compare Soarin' with other E ticket attractions. Im sorry, but BTM, POTC, Phantom Mannor, TOT, these are all highly themed E ticket attractions.
Soarin' is to me roughly a suped up version of Le Visionarium for example. Nothing wrong with that, but hardly ground breaking of unique enough to be classed as a classic Disney E ticket.
Yes its fun, and yes its clever, but its hardly ground breaking. Back to the Future, all be it less complex, was doing it years ago. That also had a great storyline, Soarin' however, again in my opinion does not.
Im not saying its bad, just that its hardly up tehre with the classics. In my opinion, if the idea is to grow the Studios, and get repeat bussiness, then lets invest the money in a classic. A highly themed attraction that screams out to re ride, and that can also create a a whole "world", just like BTM and Exp. Everest.
Now, as much as I love BTM and EE, I would much rather ride Soarin' anytime!!!!
I love the technology behind Soarin' I just hate the execution of it, to me it isn't Disney quality as it is largely un-themed.
Just to clarify why I said that Soarin' is a step backwards in my original post...
With the addition of Crush. Cars and TOT/Boulevard the park has finally taken a step in the right direction by adding 'some' themeing. As I said I agree with you over Crush but you cannot deny that it does add some theming to the park. The impression many people gave was that the would like them to build Soarin' and would be happy if it was the same as in the USA. This would be a step back in my opinion because it is another un themed attraction. The park needs more highly themed attractions and not another ride/show in a warehouse.
IF they could just come up with a perfect strong theme for Soarin' I would love it.
I really don't like the idea of Theatre district being all about showing off the film technology, I find that increadibly Boarin' :)
Just out of interest if Soarin' didn't exist, what would be your second choice for a new attraction? doesn't have to be something which already exists, just curious what you would choose?
P.S your English is very good and I understand you perfectly.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Now, as much as I love BTM and EE, I would much rather ride Soarin' anytime!!!!
And you call yourself a Disney fan?!?!? :)
Go and watch the Lion king 3 times and say 12 Roy Disney's :)
Quote from: "penfold12"I really dont understand why people rate soarin'
As previously said. if you compare apples with apples, and oranges with oranges, the compare Soarin' with other E ticket attractions. Im sorry, but BTM, POTC, Phantom Mannor, TOT, these are all highly themed E ticket attractions.
Soarin' is to me roughly a suped up version of Le Visionarium for example. Nothing wrong with that, but hardly ground breaking of unique enough to be classed as a classic Disney E ticket.
Yes its fun, and yes its clever, but its hardly ground breaking. Back to the Future, all be it less complex, was doing it years ago. That also had a great storyline, Soarin' however, again in my opinion does not.
Im not saying its bad, just that its hardly up tehre with the classics. In my opinion, if the idea is to grow the Studios, and get repeat bussiness, then lets invest the money in a classic. A highly themed attraction that screams out to re ride, and that can also create a a whole "world", just like BTM and Exp. Everest.
I agree completely.
Sadly Crush/Cars are not classics but if they help to bring in enough business so that they can aford to build some classics I'm happy.
I just wish they would make the studios more 'real' and not just cheap sets.
Quote from: "Yesitsme"Just out of interest if Soarin' didn't exist, what would be your second choice for a new attraction? doesn't have to be something which already exists, just curious what you would choose?
At Toon Studio I would build Monsters Inc. Hide & Seek which is currently under construction at Tokyo Disneyland.
QuoteP.S your English is very good and I understand you perfectly.
Thanks, I'm glad to hear that. :)
Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "Yesitsme"Just out of interest if Soarin' didn't exist, what would be your second choice for a new attraction? doesn't have to be something which already exists, just curious what you would choose?
QuoteAt Toon Studio I would build Monsters Inc. Hide & Seek which is currently under construction at Tokyo Disneyland. ]
Hooray! I completely agree! :)
Quote from: "Maarten"At Toon Studio I would build Monsters Inc. Hide & Seek which is currently under construction at Tokyo Disneyland.
noooooooooo! 3 out of the last 4 rides were pixar rides......please paris needs a break from pixar!
I wouldn't mind see the Monsters Inc. come to Toon Studio, but right now I prefer some more expansion elsewhere in the park. Most holes are filled now (with the exception of the Soarin' location), so I think they should start thinking out of the box now and expand the current borders. There's lots of ground available behind the Tram Tour station. A NY Street set of some kind wouldn't hurt with a restaurant, snack points and a few boutiques inside. Totally going off topic now, but I came up with this idea a few years ago about a small attraction for kids which can go behind the Street Sets. One of the buildings can be themed as the front of a Natural History Museum with behind it a large playset for kids with dinosaur skeletons and stuff, kinda like Dinoland USA at Animal Kingdom.
Aaanyway. lol...
Quote from: "raptor1982"I wouldn't mind see the Monsters Inc. come to Toon Studio, but right now I prefer some more expansion elsewhere in the park. Most holes are filled now (with the exception of the Soarin' location), so I think they should start thinking out of the box now and expand the current borders. There's lots of ground available behind the Tram Tour station. A NY Street set of some kind wouldn't hurt with a restaurant, snack points and a few boutiques inside.
Yes indeed. I first want them to continue the placemakings, adding shops and a restaurant... but well, yestitsme asked me which attraction I would choose... in that case I would like them to build Monsters Inc. Hide & Seek. I would like to see the Walt Disney's One Man's Dream exhibit and/or an exhibit for the latest movies (comparable to Narnia at Disney's Hollywood Studios) aswell. But I suppose those are too low profile and just fillers... thats why I opted for Monsters Inc.
QuoteTotally going off topic now, but I came up with this idea a few years ago about a small attraction for kids which can go behind the Street Sets. One of the buildings can be themed as the front of a Natural History Museum with behind it a large playset for kids with dinosaur skeletons and stuff, kinda like Dinoland USA at Animal Kingdom.
Like Honey I Schrunk the Kids Set at Disney's Hollywood Studios? Seems like a great idea to me... but just out of curiousity, what film should it be linked to? Dinosaur?
QuoteLike Honey I Schrunk the Kids Set at Disney's Hollywood Studios? Seems like a great idea to me... but just out of curiousity, what film should it be linked to? Dinosaur?
Good question... I wasn't really thinking of a movie, just a playground that adds another dimension to the streetset. But if I have to pick something, I'd like to go for a fake one, National Treasure and the Hunt of for the Lost Dinosaur or whatever. :wink:
Quote from: "raptor1982"QuoteLike Honey I Schrunk the Kids Set at Disney's Hollywood Studios? Seems like a great idea to me... but just out of curiousity, what film should it be linked to? Dinosaur?
Good question... I wasn't really thinking of a movie, just a playground that adds another dimension to the streetset. But if I have to pick something, I'd like to go for a fake one, National Treasure and the Hunt of for the Lost Dinosaur or whatever. :wink:
raptor,
My youngest son gives you the thumbs up for this idea,he also said he does not care which movie it is.
Anymore news on if this could happen?
are there new news about it??
i hope we get one soon...
If there's news, someone will post it. No need to keep asking! The upcoming shareholder's meeting or first half 2008 results are the only times anything official might be announced, but it seems way too soon really.
This is in Imagineering anyway, so feel free to Imagineer what you'd do with those funds...
Hows about a Ratatouille Cookalong 4D theatre show behind Art of Disney Animation, using Disney Digital 3D projection and a range of scents and smells to bring to life the filming of a live cookery show starring the "talented" head chef of Paris' "Le Ratatouille" restaurant, Linguine. However, only Walt Disney Studios guests in the live audience will know that the entire production -- from the cameramen to the all-important recipe -- is actually being run by Pixar's CGI rats. After a series of mishaps (maybe a blender spraying water across the audience, rats running through, a la HISTA?), the real producers are eventually "ratted out" and the show taken off air.
The entrance would be themed to Gusteau's, including the fountain forming a nice little square about where that gate is now:
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The eiffel tower background there would be a giant backdrop.
I dont know if somebody have post this before, but at least some more rumours, although i dont know if this helps much..:
This is an article from screamscape.com about WDW resort. The important DLRP info is at the end. This could be what they mean by TWDC financial help,.... or even better, another person to help DLRP? :)
2010 - Four Seasons Resort - (3/2/07) I received a little insight as to how the whole Four Seasons deal may have come around. There has been some corporate shakeup within the Four Seasons company lately where the hotelier's two largest investors (Bill Gates and Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal) just finalized a deal two weeks ago to take the company private for an estimated $3.4 billion. If the name Prince Al-Waleed sounds familiar to you, he has been involved for some time in the EuroDisney Resort where he came in years ago to add financial support to the struggling resort in it's first bout of bad times and now he apparently owns 10% of EuroDisney S.C.A., the second largest parner after Disney's own 39.78% stake. It's said that Prince Al-Waleed has been asking Disney for quite some time now to let him place a Four Seasons hotel on site at Walt Disney World in exchange for his continued and possibly additional financing support for EuroDisney SCA.
Well in one of our free dutch newspapers (Spits) there was a interview with the man behind the ToT, Tom Fitzgerald.
//http://www.spitsnet.nl/nieuws.php/11/11682/online/Achter_de_schermen_van_de_Tower_of_Terror_in_Disneyland_resort_Paris.html
It's in Dutch.
One of the interesting quotes is this one:
The largest mysteries, like for example the costs of the Tower or Terror, remain a secret. , "But between 2004 and 2009 240 millions euro are invested in Disneyland Resort paris", he parries the question.
Sounds great, ain't it? :D
I love your Ratatouille idea Baloo, it sounds fantastic and it would really fit in with the Studios and the fact that it's actually in Paris. It'd also be another unique attraction for DLRP :)
Quote from: "Soap"Well in one of our free dutch newspapers (Spits) there was a interview with the man behind the ToT, Tom Fitzgerald.
//http://www.spitsnet.nl/nieuws.php/11/11682/online/Achter_de_schermen_van_de_Tower_of_Terror_in_Disneyland_resort_Paris.html
It's in Dutch.
One of the interesting quotes is this one:
The largest mysteries, like for example the costs of the Tower or Terror, remain a secret. , "But between 2004 and 2009 240 millions euro are invested in Disneyland Resort paris", he parries the question.
Sounds great, ain't it? :D
Yeah i saw that in my copy of that paper i picked up at the store :D
I can't wait to see what's coming to DLRP in the near future :)
Quote from: "Soap"One of the interesting quotes is this one:
The largest mysteries, like for example the costs of the Tower or Terror, remain a secret. , "But between 2004 and 2009 240 millions euro are invested in Disneyland Resort paris", he parries the question.
That's just the investment package they agreed in January 2005... but it's interesting they're still stringing that out to 2009. What have they got left to spend on between now and then? Playhouse Disney, more placemaking?
Quote from: "Baloo"Quote from: "Soap"One of the interesting quotes is this one:
The largest mysteries, like for example the costs of the Tower or Terror, remain a secret. , "But between 2004 and 2009 240 millions euro are invested in Disneyland Resort paris", he parries the question.
That's just the investment package they agreed in January 2005... but it's interesting they're still stringing that out to 2009. What have they got left to spend on between now and then? Playhouse Disney, more placemaking?
I assume they haven't got that much money left. But I guess that when they found out that they had a small amount of money left after Tower of Terror, they opted for Stitch Live (which wasn't included in the 2005 plans) Playhouse Disney and probably the Stars & Motorcars Parade.