I found his on MiceAge:
QuoteEveryone's wondering what's next after Tower opens? The rumor had Soarin' located between 'Cinemagique' and the former 'Disney Channel ' buildings, but the info I got was that it will instead be an attraction located between the Rock 'n Roller coaster and the 'Motors, Action' stunt show.
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When I heard that, I thought it was impossible, no room was available between the two as you can see in the picture below. Except... that behind the wall you see below...
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...there's plenty of space!
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The word is that it will be an interactive attraction, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was 'Toy Story Mania' or some other theme using the same technology. Basically Soarin' is considered an 'E ticket' and management would prefer a cheaper 'D' ticket before they make another large investment. They want to capitalize on as well as maximize the expected success of the Tower for the next 3-4 years.
Could it be true? :-k
Link (//http://www.miceage.com/guest/gu090607d.htm)
There are no new attractions scheduled for the coming 4 years, as you can read on WDSfans' latest update. Not even Soarin'.
The main focus right now are the placemaking projects all over the park.
Besides I'd rather have a NY streetset or something similar with shops and a restaurant on that location. Or what about Baloo's idea of placing the Sci-Fi diner there? Imagine three attractions on a row there. :?
Quote from: "raptor1982"Or what about Baloo's idea of placing the Sci-Fi diner there? Imagine three attractions on a row there. :?
Yes! This space should either be a high-theme restaurant or a proper shop for Backlot, imo. But infact, I personally can't see it becoming anything. It's just too cramped in there, not Disney's style of doing things. Backlot is already badly designed with those three attractions pushed together.
I agree with raptor about the street sets, shops, etc. Also improving Studio Tram Tour to make it a much grander and must-see attraction should be in their minds.
Hello, Alain Littaye, here. I am the one who did the article on miceage , and even if i can't tell you my source, all i can say it that the info of an eventual attraction coming between RARC and the stunt show is coming from a VERY reliable source at DLPI.
All this is subject to the financial approval of the park, of course, but if in 2-3 years you see a new attraction in this zone, remember you read it on miceage first!
Quote from: "raptor1982"There are no new attractions scheduled for the coming 4 years, as you can read on WDSfans' latest update. Not even Soarin'.
This a really bad news. It would have been a dream come true to have the best Walt Disney World attraction over here in Europe. At least thematically it would have fit in better then Woody in Frontierland or Buzz in Discoveryland, as long as they would have gone with a Howard Hughes/Califorinian theme. By the way raptor, do you mean that there are no new attractions planned for the Studios the coming 4 years, or the entire Resort?
QuoteThe main focus right now are the placemaking projects all over the park.
Are there any more placemaking projects in the works after the current Hollywood Boulevard one? Some time ago I read that EuroDisney was planning a Backlot placemaking aswell? Like integrating Armageddon.
QuoteBesides I'd rather have a NY streetset or something similar with shops and a restaurant on that location. Or what about Baloo's idea of placing the Sci-Fi diner there? Imagine three attractions on a row there. :?
I'm not sure what would like to see in that particular spot to be honest. I am not too fond of the idea of having a Toy Story Mania version back there. Thematically it doesn't fit (toons aren't supposed to go in Backlot, besides that I don't see how they want to fit in the Midway theme into a Studio park). I would rather want them to fill up the space between Cinemagique and the Television Tour.
Quotethe entire Resort?
Yep, surprise suprise, no splash mountain.
QuoteToy Story Mania version
Alain refers to an attraction using the technology from TS Mania, not the theming.
Quote from: "loaloa"Hello, Alain Littaye, here. I am the one who did the article on miceage , and even if i can't tell you my source, all i can say it that the info of an eventual attraction coming between RARC and the stunt show is coming from a VERY reliable source at DLPI.
All this is subject to the financial approval of the park, of course, but if in 2-3 years you see a new attraction in this zone, remember you read it on miceage first!
I will not doubt your source, but I have a very reliable source as well at ELDI which said there will be no new attractions the coming 4 years. So maybe afterwards.
Quoteremember you read it on miceage first!
The gigantic logo's made that clear already. :wink:
Quote from: "raptor1982"Quotethe entire Resort?
Yep, surprise suprise, no splash mountain.
Hearing ABC1 is shutting down and now that theres no new attractions for 4 YEARS !, Im so depressed ! :cry: :(
I've never thought an attraction would fit in that space, but I think a restaurant would fit nicely :)
Quote from: "raptor1982"Quotethe entire Resort?
Yep, surprise suprise, no splash mountain.
That wasn't the reason why I asked. Splash Mountain isn't that high on my wishlist to be honest. The policy of not building any rides at both parks in the coming years after Tower of Terror just doesn't seem clever to me. Haven't they learned anything from the post Space Mountain years?!
Quote from: "raptor1982"QuoteToy Story Mania version
Alain refers to an attraction using the technology from TS Mania, not the theming.
We both know that it is way cheaper for Disney to clone the entire concept. Thats how Disney works nowadays. Ofcourse they could also clone the Monsters Inc. version currently build at Tokyo, but thats seems to be a more expensive version of Toy Story Mania. Why wouldn't EuroDisney chose for the cheaper version from the Amercian parks?
In fact, DLRP was financially quite stable the years after Space Mountain without opening major attractions, it all went wrong again after they opened the Studios in 2002.
The financial agreement between the banks, Euro Disney SCA and the Walt Disney Co. by André Lacroix in 2004 called for a period of 5 years of new investments, followed by 5 years without, and then again an investment period of 5 years for new attractions or add-ons.
QuoteWe both know that it is way cheaper for Disney to clone the entire concept. Thats how Disney works nowadays. Ofcourse they could also clone the Monsters Inc. version currently build at Tokyo, but thats seems to be a more expensive version of Toy Story Mania. Why wouldn't EuroDisney chose for the cheaper version from the Amercian parks?
Monsters Inc. hide & seek and Midway Mania are different attractions. Monsters Inc. is more similar to Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast with flashlights that have to be pointed to "marks" in a real life scenery .
Midway Mania uses 3D projections on a canvas and will have variable targets, while the ones in MI are fixed.
Quote from: "raptor1982"Quotethe entire Resort?
Yep, surprise suprise, no splash mountain.
No Soarin' in the coming years did suck , but no new attraction at all in the coming 4 years is really stupid!! :(
So the posts that indicated that strong attendance as a result of the new attarctions would lead to six additional attractions across the resort were untrue then?
Hey, why are you all complaining about no new attractions for the next 4 years?? :shock: ;)
We got (or get)...
- Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast
- Crush's Coaster
- Cars Race Rally
- Toon Studio Area
- Tower of Terror & Hollywood Bld
- Once Upon A Dream Parade
- New character location or something as replacement for Critter Corral
(- maybe a new parade at WDS)
...
That's so much, isn't it? I'm very glad to have SO many new attractions when I go to DLRP after two long years, so come on, let's enjoy those many new things and you can still be looking forward to all the new things that await us after 2011 :) :ears: Let DLRP calm down a bit with their finance and stuff!
Sorry but between Rockin Roller Coaster & The stunt show is a rubbish place for a ride to be, It'll be all crowded just like Toon Studio when it was in construction.
Quote from: "raptor1982"Monsters Inc. hide & seek and Midway Mania are different attractions. Monsters Inc. is more similar to Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast with flashlights that have to be pointed to "marks" in a real life scenery .
Midway Mania uses 3D projections on a canvas and will have variable targets, while the ones in MI are fixed.
Actually from what I've been hearing, the Monsters Inc ride IS using similar technology to Toy Story Mania
Monsters Inc is supposedly using projections and real life scenery and if you read anything detailed about the 'torches' that will be used in MI they sound exactly like the guns which will be used in Toy Story Mania.
I think it makes sense to not build anything new for a couple of years after TOT purely to 'cash in' on this new E-ticket like MGM did when their TOT opened back in 94.
The only thing that is certain is that Disney have a habit of changing their minds so I don't think anyone can say that there will be no new ride for 4 years. I still believe we will see something in the Studios before 2012.
I'd say Splash Mountain is still coming in 2012, when TOT and Toon Studio were anounced I'm sure they said they would be building a new 'monster hit' from the USA parks in 2012.
Quote from: "raptor1982"The financial agreement between the banks, Euro Disney SCA and the Walt Disney Co. by André Lacroix in 2004 called for a period of 5 years of new investments, followed by 5 years without, and then again an investment period of 5 years for new attractions or add-ons.
Yes , but if that agreement was made in 2004 , we still get new investments till 2009 right? 5 years?
The agreement didn't call for an attraction each year, but an investment period over 5 years. That includes the placemaking projects. There are no new attractions planned for 2009.
Quote from: "raptor1982"Quotethe entire Resort?
Yep, surprise suprise, no splash mountain.
QuoteToy Story Mania version
Alain refers to an attraction using the technology from TS Mania, not the theming.
Quote from: "loaloa"Hello, Alain Littaye, here. I am the one who did the article on miceage , and even if i can't tell you my source, all i can say it that the info of an eventual attraction coming between RARC and the stunt show is coming from a VERY reliable source at DLPI.
All this is subject to the financial approval of the park, of course, but if in 2-3 years you see a new attraction in this zone, remember you read it on miceage first!
I will not doubt your source, but I have a very reliable source as well at ELDI which said there will be no new attractions the coming 4 years. So maybe afterwards.
Quoteremember you read it on miceage first!
The gigantic logo's made that clear already. :wink:
Interesting, as I have an excellent source in Glendale that states if this year does well financially, we have a number of attractions to look forward to. The plot thickens.
Quote from: "Yesitsme"Quote from: "raptor1982"I think it makes sense to not build anything new for a couple of years after TOT purely to 'cash in' on this new E-ticket like MGM did when their TOT opened back in 94.
And at DCA, ToT did very little to increase their attendance.
Quote from: "Nala_84"Hey, why are you all complaining about no new attractions for the next 4 years?? :shock: ;)
We got (or get)...
- Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast
- Crush's Coaster
- Cars Race Rally
- Toon Studio Area
- Tower of Terror & Hollywood Bld
- Once Upon A Dream Parade
- New character location or something as replacement for Critter Corral
(- maybe a new parade at WDS)
...
That's so much, isn't it? I'm very glad to have SO many new attractions when I go to DLRP after two long years, so come on, let's enjoy those many new things and you can still be looking forward to all the new things that await us after 2011 :) :ears: Let DLRP calm down a bit with their finance and stuff!
You are so right Nala!
We got so many new attractions and theming this year! Not to forget Stich next year!
We all know about the financial situation of DLRP. All these new attractions are just awesome!
The parks are more exciting than ever! And I bet, with Toon Studio and the Tower, our Studios will get a great attendance!
I always hear people saying: Why don´t we get new attractions.
Hey... we got a lot!
And don´t forget... we got a complete new park just 5 years ago!
And all these new things we got this year! I think thats really really good!
Quote from: "raptor1982"There are no new attractions planned for 2009.
Yet! :lol:
Just kidding Raptor :wink:
I'd say Splash Mountain is still coming in 2012, when TOT and Toon Studio were anounced I'm sure they said they would be building a new 'monster hit' from the USA parks in 2012.[/quote]
Or when they say "Monster" is that a hint to Monsters Inc :?: Think about it Cars, Nemo both pixar.
Personnally I'm looking forward to all the new stuff we have, why worry about the future enjoy today.
I'm not disappointed that there will not be any new attractions in the next years. In the last years we got a lot of new stuff. And I'm sure that there will come more new things someday. But for now it's enough. DLP needs to calm down for their financial situation. Please people think a bit logical, they can't only build and build and spent the money more and more. they need to save a bit of the earned money to pay back. Many years we hadn't new attractions before. So we should be happy with all the additions we have now.
And I wouldn't like an attraction between R'n'RC and Moteurs. This would be too crowded with attractions then. I'm still wishing for a nice table service restaurant. I never eat at the studios just because there isn't a really nice restaurant. Something like the Sci Fi would be cool.
QuoteI'd say Splash Mountain is still coming in 2012
Many people will be disappointed, but there is NOT a single piece of empirical evidence that Splash Mountain was ever planned in Paris (except a fake/manipulated drawing on some websites). In short, there's a 99% chance that there will NEVER be a Splash Mountain in Europe. Maybe 100%, because Woody has conquered Frontierland now.
And yes, I know Spalsh Mountain is off topic!
In my opinion, it's not really a bad thing that they're not going to build new attractions for a few years. That gives them the opportunity to save money, which enables them to do a few large investments (Soarin', Indiana Jones Adventure!!) after 2012.
I have to agree thats what is desperatly needed in the studios to stop anyone with tastebuds wandering away is a decent full service restaurant :D .. The site now has an E ride and the placemaking will stop it looking like a barren road through some warehouses so lets have somewhere nice to eat to hold people for that bit longer. The equivelent of the Brown Derby would be just fine.
Personally I have never got Soarin.. Its a crowd draw without doubt but its a one ride event.. Theres no thrill on repeat ridings and the way the american parks have allowed the film quality to deteriate and still not come up with Soarin the sequal does not sit well with me.
And unless its Splash mountain the heated dry version :D I think we can forget that one for ever..
Quote from: "dr.jones"QuoteI'd say Splash Mountain is still coming in 2012
Many people will be disappointed, but there is NOT a single piece of empirical evidence that Splash Mountain was ever planned in Paris (except a fake/manipulated drawing on some websites). In short, there's a 99% chance that there will NEVER be a Splash Mountain in Europe. Maybe 100%, because Woody has conquered Frontierland now.
And yes, I know Spalsh Mountain is off topic!
In my opinion, it's not really a bad thing that they're not going to build new attractions for a few years. That gives them the opportunity to save money, which enables them to do a few large investments (Soarin', Indiana Jones Adventure!!) after 2012.
Sorry to disappoint you but plans DO EXIST about a Parisian version of Splash Mountain. I saw them with my own eyes. So the project was and may be considered in the future.
Even if I would MUCH prefer INDIANA JONES ADVENTURE (best disney ride ever!).
Off topic; I no at first i thought :o No new attractions for five years, but now im thinking they can save up for another huge 20th celebration with another big attraction and some smaller ones. *cough* Splash Mountain *cough* :P
According to blue sky disney, there may be new attractions, and that its all being presented to Robert Iger soon?!?
//http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/2007/10/blue-sky-alert-europe-paris-sleeping.html
Wow, great article Penfold! Sounds really promising. don't it? Maybe the steps are little, but they are taking them!
Quote from: "Kinou"Sorry to disappoint you but plans DO EXIST about a Parisian version of Splash Mountain. I saw them with my own eyes. So the project was and may be considered in the future.
Even if I would MUCH prefer INDIANA JONES ADVENTURE (best disney ride ever!).
I think what the orginal poster meant was that there is no evidence that it will/would be built, regardless of plans. Disney various development teams will place in plan form every single form of attraction into a first stage development but many will never pass that stage. Personally I think Splash Mountain would fit into Frontierland perfectly thematically but the constraints of the Parisian weather will always come to bear at any develpment stage and that will be the end of it. My guess for the next draw(after a new restaurant for the studios) would be another crowd/audience holding attraction such as Philarmagic. If you look at the development/building costings versus popularity ratio for the american parks its hard for them to ignore such a cheap and cheerful quick fix.
Quote from: "Kinou"Sorry to disappoint you but plans DO EXIST about a Parisian version of Splash Mountain. I saw them with my own eyes. So the project was and may be considered in the future.
So this is really true??? Do they have concept arts for it, I mean are there real "plans" or just thoughts of doing this ride? I would be soooo happy if they would do this, I actually love water rides ;)!
Of course there are real plans, one of them even leaked out. It's posted on the Webcot website I believe. Should dig it up some time. :)
Quote from: "raptor1982"Of course there are real plans, one of them even leaked out. It's posted on the Webcot website I believe. Should dig it up some time. :)
Yeah that would be great ! :D
What is the obsession with "Splash Mountain". Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt it a dark ride with a log flume at the end. Surely with todays technology we can have something better?
Yes me too. Okay Splash Mountain is cool, but I do not mind having it in DLP. I would like to see more attractions only build and created for DLP. To make DLP even more unique.
Quote from: "RockNRoller"What is the obsession with "Splash Mountain". Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt it a dark ride with a log flume at the end. Surely with todays technology we can have something better?
You're not serious, right?
Splash has a full AA cast with characters as cool as the pirates and ghosts we have in DLP (and loads of them), as well as several drops. It is very clear you have never been on it. It's like calling Star Tours just a movie and PotC just a boat ride.
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a full AA cast with characters as cool as the pirates and ghosts we have in DLP (and loads of them), as well as several drops. It is very clear you have never been on it. It's like calling Star Tours just a movie and PotC just a boat ride.[/quote]
Correct I've never been on it and it does sound impressive however whenever we (the fans) discover a new ride is coming the clamour is for "Splash" why not something of our own instead of someone elses hand me down?
QuoteSorry to disappoint you but plans DO EXIST about a Parisian version of Splash Mountain. I saw them with my own eyes. So the project was and may be considered in the future.
QuoteOf course there are real plans, one of them even leaked out. It's posted on the Webcot website I believe. Should dig it up some time.
These posts are already two months old, and yet not a single piece of evidence has seen the light of day. Not even on Webcot :P So where are these plans?
Except that PhotoShopped picture (on which they move the station, and which is a combination of the Orlando-blueprint and a Parisian satellite photo), I'm still waiting for something more than rumours and imagination. An interview with an important imagineer (like Tony Baxter) would already be very helpful.
Or could it be that Paris will never see a Splash Mountain? :lol:
I think the splash mountain thing will be not a attraction of the next 2-4 years. Maybe later. So why sould they write thousends of reports now :wink: :lol:
Quote from: "dr.jones"QuoteSorry to disappoint you but plans DO EXIST about a Parisian version of Splash Mountain. I saw them with my own eyes. So the project was and may be considered in the future.
QuoteOf course there are real plans, one of them even leaked out. It's posted on the Webcot website I believe. Should dig it up some time.
These posts are already two months old, and yet not a single piece of evidence has seen the light of day. Not even on Webcot :P So where are these plans?
Except that PhotoShopped picture (on which they move the station, and which is a combination of the Orlando-blueprint and a Parisian satellite photo), I'm still waiting for something more than rumours and imagination. An interview with an important imagineer (like Tony Baxter) would already be very helpful.
Or could it be that Paris will never see a Splash Mountain? :lol:
Not everyone has time on his hand to look for something he saw 2 years ago. But nice you noticed "An interview with an important imagineer (like Tony Baxter) would already be very helpful." Get yourself a subscription on the Tales from the Laughing Place magazine in which those important imagineers confirm that Splash Mountain was intended for the Cottonwood Creek area. I'll scan in that bit of the interview, if I have the time, but I doubt it...
QuoteNot everyone has time on his hand to look for something he saw 2 years ago.
Isn't it ironic? This quote comes from someone who apparently does have the time to run this forum in a totalitarian way (but not for making one simple scan). :? And don't even bother telling me that "this is no way to talk to an administrator or you will be banned for life from my kingdom". :roll: Because frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Quote"this is no way to talk to an administrator or you will be banned for life from my kingdom"
Hah, i know. I remeber that too. Sorry it just sounds so funny to me... :P
Quote from: "dr.jones"QuoteNot everyone has time on his hand to look for something he saw 2 years ago.
Isn't it ironic? This quote comes from someone who apparently does have the time to run this forum in a totalitarian way (but not for making one simple scan). :? And don't even bother telling me that "this is no way to talk to an administrator or you will be banned for life from my kingdom". :roll: Because frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Good 'cause you are. It's MY kingdom after al, right? No one calls me fascist here, even if he twists the words to sound intelligent.
And Filip, if you don't like it here, just leave.
my dear raptor,
First of all, I'm a Phd in International Politics, so I assume I'm quite intelligent. Thanks to this education, I do know the difference between a totalitarist and a fascist. Now I'm not going to summarize my courses of political philosophy, but
a totalitarist = someone who is completely intolerant for opinions and visions which are not the same as his own. In other words, everybody has to think like him. The others have to share his views and ideas TOTALLY, even if these are questionable or false.
This is NOT the same as a fascist!! If you think so, that's your problem, not mine.
Now, I wanna thank you to prove me right and ban "dr.jones" from this forum. You could very easily have proven me wrong by putting the SplashMountain-evidence on line. But no, you chose the other option. Why?
And why such a hard reaction to Filip, who clearly saw the irony of my remark! Nobody knows everything! Not you, not me, not anybody. So why being so radical to others on so many occasions?
By the way, as you can see, I didn't have much trouble getting back on line on this forum. Just don't underestimate me, I'll always come back when and where I want. Not for you, but for the interesting opinions of all the other users.
So long,
obiwan77, the avatar formerly known as dr.jones
Can i just say, I don't quite know how you or anyone can do what has just happened and verbally attack a forum owner on his own forum. After all this is his forum and he is letting you be a member and post on here, and in return if you are abusive towards him you will be banned so don't act so surprised. It's bad enough that you can be rude to anyone like this but on there own forum is just pointless, if you have a problem just leave and don't come back to do so again. I'm sorry if this was inappropriate, but I thought that it'd only be right, especially after everything that Raptor has and is doing for us on both the magic forum and Photosmagiques.
I thought you didn't care? Just stay away then. :roll:
Closing this topic for obvious reasons.
And I'd like to repeat myself that if there are members who don't like how my forum is being managed, then please just don't post any more. Anyone is free to enter or leave my house at any time.