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Welcome to the official magicforum topic for Space Mountain: Mission 2. We hope you'll join us in posting and discussing all the latest news and events for this exciting new reloaded attraction in Disneyland Resort Paris!!
Space Mountain: Mission 2
Opening Date: 9th April 2005 (now open!)
Location: Space Mountain - "reloaded" attraction.
Attraction Type: Rollercoaster in the dark; revamped and reloaded existing attraction with new effects
More Info: DLRP Magic! guide (//http://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CCkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dlrpmagic.com%2Fguidebook%2Fdisneyland-park%2Fdiscoveryland%2Fspace-mountain-mission-2%2F&ei=HPiXULqcAo6Y1AWorYCIBQ&usg=AFQjCNGpMRIs2C7zy2OdceBLBDZA59GSjg)
More Photos: Photos Magiques gallery (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/gallery/disneyland-park/discoveryland/space-mountain-mission-2/)
Good luck, Exploranauts!
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Test Missions Continue
Take a look:
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They look great, don't they? So much more beautiful than the old tacky looking trains (don't hit me!), and the Mission 2 logos look very nice indeed. To the untrained (non-fan's) eye they could even be seen as new trains, they just look so expensive and high quality now!
Let's just hope the on board soundsystem is up to the same quality now... :wink:[/b]
Hmmm... what's this at the back of the train?
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I don't seem to remember the SM trains having this before, yet the RNRC trains do. Since SM:M2 is meant to be getting a RNRC-style soundsystem, maybe it's part of that?
And also today, the Fastpass arch is up!!! And it looks sooo beautiful! =D> =D>
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Thanks to the people over on http://www.disneypowerboard.com (http://www.disneypowerboard.com) and http://www.dlrpmagazine.com/forum/ (http://www.dlrpmagazine.com/forum/) for these photos. :D
And MORE!
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The poster is gone...
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And so is the sign. Looks like they'll be keeping most of it then...
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The beautiful new sign.
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Is that a new cover for the entrance CM? Also, does anyone think that they might re-route the Fastpass queue this time?
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Discovery Mountain lives on!
I believe the 2 Imagineers were talking about a different route for the fastpass line during the Last Chance fan event! I should digitalize that movie one of these days....
Quote from: "raptor1982"I believe the 2 Imagineers were talking about a different route for the fastpass line during the Last Chance fan event!
Oh really? Great! It'd be nice if they did change it somehow so that you get more of a build up from the Fastpass queue than the old boring, empty corridors before you get to the observatory-type rooms.
Also, in the concept art it does show two queues going in the same direction - though I do believe that is infact after the Fastpass line joins the normal queue anyway, so there might not be too much hope in there...
They really need to sort the Fastpass queue though, since it's something that really lets the ride down, especially when they decide to collect tickets at the top of the steps and so allow everyone to wait for their time on the steps... :evil:
IMO the old queue for SM was really terrible. OK, so you got to see into the ride which was quite cool, but this just didn't make any sense within the story and the queue always looked boring and annoying - especially with that horrible 2second instruction video with the siren on repeat. :evil:
Main Attraction Sign In Place!
Here it is! It looks amazing...
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(thanks to M!ke on the DLRP Magazine Forum)
I love the use of colours and the very daring use of bright red in there. It looks VERY expensive, VERY impressive and VERY in keeping with the theme. :D
It doesn't look finished yet though - there's all them wires hanging out and I think the white writing of "Space Mountain" is yet to be finished. In the concept art it's shown as a pale yellowy colour, a bit lighter than the colour of the mountain roof.
Look at this cool billboard in Paris!
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:D
DLRP are doing an amazing job with the advertising for Mission 2!
WOW I thought it would be another bad advertising job, and yet not well done Euro Disney, shame us Brits don't get much advertisment for it :lol: .
French TV Spot
You can download the French TV Spot here:
//http://eddyouard.free.fr/Mission2.wmv
(Source: Vivien on Ameworld Forums)
I really really like it! It's got information about the 1day/1night free, and it's very good that they're translating it fully into each language. That's a lot of work and a lot of effort DLRP are putting in, and I think it might just pay off with the finished result as good as it is. :D[/b]
Quote from: "PATMAGIC"WOW I thought it would be another bad advertising job, and yet not well done Euro Disney, shame us Brits don't get much advertisment for it :lol: .
I think ours should be starting soon really. They're running the 50th Ads here at the moment still, so I think once they're over they should start advertising SM:M2 here. It really is a packed year for DLRP advertising already, so they probably had trouble working out what to play when.
I would like to see some SM:M2 advertising in the UK within the next fortnight at least, though I think all we'll get are the cinema and tv ads. DLRP never really use billboards here since they probably aren't quite as effective as they are in Paris/France.
The new Mission 2 advert is running here in Belgium a lot on television. I also found a lot of advertising stuff at a local travel agency. I'll post pics later!
Quote from: "raptor1982"The new Mission 2 advert is running here in Belgium a lot on television. I also found a lot of advertising stuff at a local travel agency. I'll post pics later!
Cool! Do you have anything in your Sping/Summer brochure advertising it? In the UK we just got about a line of text about it on the inside cover, but I've read that in France they got a whole double page spread featuring it... :?
Hopefully UK advertising will pick up soonish!
Yes, we got the double page advertising too. I'll get a pic of it later!
Here are those promised pictures of our travel agency:
:arrow: http://www.photosmagiques.com/newsflash ... pFnCKOwNKm (http://www.photosmagiques.com/newsflash.php#newsitemEEEpyZkkpFnCKOwNKm)
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Looks like that travel agent has gone Mission 2 and Wishes mental :lol: . I don't think I have ever seen a travel agent advertise so much Disneyland Resort Paris before. Why everyone but the British get a decent amount of SM M2 advertising is beyond me, I mean all we ever get in travel agent windows is a small banner, and so far absolutely nothing in any travel agents I have walked past :evil: Really I think over here DLRP should stop thinking of the 50th for a while, and start concentrating on SM M2 then some people may even understand what the hell I am looking at in college on the internet instead of them asking me yet another load of questions like I am some type of weirdo. :lol: .
*cough*DLRP Fans running a travel agents!*cough*
Coolest. Travel Agent. Ever!!!
You HAVE to go and try to steal some of that stuff at the end of the season! :lol:
:lol: Well, I know the owners very well, so I think I can get some stuff... :wink:
Quote from: "raptor1982":lol: Well, I know the owners very well, so I think I can get some stuff... :wink:
Good! Maybe I should make friends with some travel agents and hope they get some DLRP stuff in? :D
Onto some more SM:M2 news now, and it looks like they're preparing to remove some of the last remnants of Discovery Mountain...
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The scaffolding rig looks like it's so they can change the "DM" sign, but I'm not sure what they need the boat for...
I also read somewhere that Mariah Carey will be at the VIP Premiere, though I'm not sure if it was a joke or not... :lol:
QuoteMariah Carey
Can't they find a real V.I.P.??? :P
Quote from: "raptor1982"QuoteMariah Carey
Can't they find a real V.I.P.??? :P
Obviously not, judging by last year's LOTLK premiere - who WERE those people??! :? Looks like they're taking a step even further down the VIP ladder this year... :lol:
I was hoping for someone connected with space a bit more than Mariah Carey though... (ie. ANYONE else) lol Didn't they get an astronaut for the original opening?
Yes, they had Buz Aldrin. He and Neil Armstrong were the first persons to walk on the moon in 1969.
Quote from: "raptor1982"Yes, they had Buz Aldrin. He and Neil Armstrong were the first persons to walk on the moon in 1969.
I thought it was him or Neil. :D
I wonder what kind of opening Mission 2 will have? A big "grand opening" like the official ride or just some kind of "premiere" event like LOTLK? It would be nice to have a big grand opening to get the new attractions off to a good start...
Thanks to Joel (//http://www.joel.at.dlp.online.fr), here are some more photos of the lovely "new" entrance sign:
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I said "new" above since there is actually a lot of the old sign still in place.
And another of the Fastpass attraction sign:
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I don't like the look of this too much now to be honest. When the sun catches it like that it looks very 2D and not as expensive-looking as before. It's only the Fastpass sign though I suppose...
And finally, the poster is gone!
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Cannon Smoke Testing In Progress
Woohooo!!! The smoke is BACK!!! They were tesing it yesterday:
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//http://pozzi.jeanpierre.club.fr/dlrpmag/sm2.wmv
(Source: Ptimax, DLRP Magazine Forums)
The Cannon Recoils!
Wow! They got it working! Isn't it just brilliant to see this again after so long? :D And look at the speed of the train! Wow!
Video:
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Photos:
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(Source: TicTac, Ameworld Forums)
Hi,
This travelagency commercial stuff, i saw the pictures from, is exactly the same as we have here in Holland. I was really surprised to see so many promotional material in one travelagency last Saturday. It looks really well!
Jorien
wow wow wow wow wow :shock:
The new main attraction poster has been installed:
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It's basically the same as the smaller posters seen earlier which is disappointing, but I'm still hoping they'll impress us with some nice lighting effect behind it perhaps... :D
Another photo of the poster:
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It does stand out a LOT actually, which I suppose is good...
I think the poster looks good. But it's a shame it doesn't have that same style as the drawings in the Jules Vernes books.
What I absolutely didn't like, was the new sign lit up. It looks so cheap. Like a store sign or something. I'll post a picture later today or tomorrow!
And don't forget to mention: the official SM2 merchandising: a hat with the logo on the front and the ? - 2 at the back. Picture later today! ;-)
:arrow: Entrance logo at night:
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:arrow: And the first merchandising has popped up:
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That logo looks so cool at night, very well done compared to the original logo :D .
Oh no, I don't like this one at all!!! It looks so cheap, so plastic-like. Like I already said, almost a store logo or so. :?
For some reason i like the old logo more. And i'm not talking about the night version. But i think this new logo looks a bit flat.
Jorien :D
Whilst I actually do quite like the "Space Mountain" part when lit up, I know what Raptor means when he says it looks cheap and too plastic-like. I think the problem is that the "Mission 2" part is lit from behind all by the same white light, which makes the colours on the plastic look really faded, washed out and cheap. They should have maybe lit different parts of it seperately with different colours...
It's not the end of the world though... though possibly with *that* poster it is... :roll:
I've just been checking through some French forums for news, and it sounds like they're testing the music in the trains now. People have been able to hear the music whilst the trains are in the cannon, which is quite cool since there are construction fences around the area - showing how much effect the new soundsystem has had!
Apparently, the score seems slightly more modern but exciting and with lots of different chords and nice elements. It also sounds like it goes "taataa.. taataa.. TAATAA!!" as it blasts you up the Columbiad, and the subwoofer in the trains' new soundsystem (which is a duplicate of the more modern RNRC system) sounds particularly good aswell...
It not a lot of info, but I for one am dying to the hear the new score. I've been watching The Incredibles over and over today just the hear the fantastic score in 5.1, and if Michael Giacchino puts as much work and thought into SM:M2 then it should be a worthy sequal to Steve Bramson's original score.
Official press release by DLRP:
Disneyland Resort Paris launches Space Mountain: Mission 2
Blast off towards the far reaches of the universe on 9 April 2005
Disneyland Resort Paris will launch Space Mountain: Mission 2 on 9 April this year. The main attraction in Europe's foremost tourist destination is celebrating its 10th anniversary and is set to pursue its saga with a second adventure. The attraction is being completely reprogrammed to provide visitors with a totally new experience, where "exploronauts" will find themselves speeding well beyond the moon towards the far reaches of the universe...
In 2005, Disney Theme Parks around the globe will celebrate the 50th anniversary of Disneyland, California. This very special event will see a host of new attractions and shows launched throughout the world. Space Mountain: Mission 2 forms a part of this celebration, as well as Wishes, an all-new fireworks spectacular that is set to enchant Disneyland Resort Paris guests from 16 July to August 28 2005,
Space Mountain is one of the most popular and exciting attractions in the entire Resort. Inspired by Jules Verne's visionary novel, From the Earth to the Moon, written in 1865, the attraction's Columbiad cannon has blasted millions of space travelling guests towards the moon since Junes, 1995.
As of 9 April, 2005, "exploronauts" will embark on a new, fantastic and unforgettable voyage to the far reaches of the universe. The Columbiad cannon imagined by Jules Verne will be recalibrated. The spacecraft will now be catapulted from the lower part of the cannon where, thanks to the extraordinary energy of this breathtaking launch and constant acceleration, adventurers will reach outer space almost immediately following a brief moment of near weightlessness.
Their mission will be to explore the farthest reaches of space, to go where no one has gone before and discover the mysteries at the edge of the universe. Along the way, they will encounter an asteroid belt, comets and a magnificent supernova. These thrilling adventures will deflect the frenzied route of the spacecraft, resulting in unexpected twists, turns, spins and loops, all accompanied by a soundtrack that could be straight out of a major science-fiction film.
Backstage in Space Mountain: Mission 2
One of the most important modifications concerns the launch, which will take place from the lower part of the cannon. As a result, the length of the launch phase will be increased by nearly 40%. The initial acceleration will reach a speed of around 14 m/s and passengers will experience a G-force of nearly 1.3 N.
The attraction itself will see guests catapulted into outer space, where they will find themselves confronted with a series of cosmic phenomena that will cause the spacecraft to rapidly change direction as their space vehicle takes evasive measures. The daredevil passengers will only just escape a spectacular supernova – a cataclysmic explosion of a giant star that, for a moment, shines brighter than an entire galaxy – before they return to earth after travelling through a luminous "vortex".
Music
It goes without saying that music will play an integral part of the Space Mountain: Mission 2 experience. Michael Giacchino, the world famous composer whose scores notably include the music to the Disney/Pixar movie The Incredibles and the American television series Alias, has created the sonic background that will accompany passengers along their journey. Completely synchronised to the "story", the music will be an essential part of this new mission, accentuating all the special effects and, in particular, reinforcing the dramatic nature of the situation when the spacecraft is confronted with the supernova explosion. Michael Giacchino has worked diligently to ensure that the music follows the scenario and visual effects as closely as possible, plunging guests even further into the heart of this breathtaking adventure.
The Space Mountain vehicles will undergo modifications for Space Mountain : Mission 2. Like the "Soundtracker" vehicles on the Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith attraction in Walt Disney Studios Park, all seats will be equipped with five loudspeakers, one on each side of the head, two around the hips and one on foot level, to offer an optimal aural experience.
As well as the loudspeakers built into the seats, a highly specialised team will install a large number of other speakers in the attraction's structure to further emphasise the various sound effects.
Visual effects
Unlike Space Mountain - where the trip takes place in the dark - Space Mountain: Mission 2 is based on the extensive use of visual effects. In addition to the large amount of lighting effects used to develop the story, Disney's Imagineers have added projections of star fields to give visitors the immediate impression of being in space, as well as new projections of comets and meteors and the supernova explosion.
Pre-launch
While waiting to board Space Mountain, guests were provided with glimpses of the attraction through a number of openings. For this new mission, which goes far further and deeper into space, the decision was taken that the part of the attraction leading to the boarding platform would be enclosed. Waiting passengers will be able to admire a large number of photos showing the various phenomena to be found in the universe, such as quasars, novas and comets, and through this exhibition, prepare themselves for their future close encounter.
Oh yeah, I didn't think to post that press release. :D
I'm surprised at how much information it gives us actually - it's a lot more than the usual "guests will blast off on a whole new mission the end." :wink:
DJ Tiesto officially in WDS
...and thank god, I say! I really didn't want the party in DLP to be honest - I didn't think there'd be much left of Main Street otherwise!
On the other hand though, it's incredibly ironic how they're now opening RNRC (along with STT and armageddon) for this. The coaster which beat SM and showed us just how much SM had dated is now being opened for a special party celebrating the opening of SM:M2 - in a different park... hmm...
I think this was cursed all along. :)
"The Disneyland Resort Paris is upon request now providing more specific information about the concert / party of DJ Tiesto in the Walt Disney Studios Park on April 16 to celebrate the opening of Space Mountain: Mission 2 (which takes place a week earlier in the Disneyland Park). While the location of the stage is still not revealed (if it is actually decided upon already), we now know that once the park opens at 8.00 pm the attractions Armageddon, Backlot Studio Tram Tour and the Rock'n'Rollercoaster starring Aerosmith (the later for everybody who wants to mix his techno with a bit of rock) will open too. While the park does not close till 2.00 am the attractions will already close at 10.00 pm, which is one hour into the two our set of DJ Bob Sinclar who warms up the crowds for DJ Tiesto who will spin the tables from 11.00 pm till 2.00 am. During the whole time the restaurant En Coulisse (in Studio 1) and food carts will carter to the guests' needs. Information about tickets are available from the official reservation hotline of the resort or the event's official website."
(source: DLP.info)
http://www.tiestoatdisney.com (http://www.tiestoatdisney.com)
Wow, what a lot of information in that press release. Especially the bit about the music sounds interesting. Can't wait to hear it!!!
Jorien :D
You might hate me for pointing this out, but how similar do you think SM:M2 will be to DLR's "new" Space Mountain?
Their Space Mountain is due to reopen this summer (possibly by July 17th), and features a completely rebuilt track with new effects and... a new soundtrack. Here's the info on the official website:
Embark on a new mission aboard this famed Disney classic with all new out-of-this-world special effects. The re-launch commences during the 50th Anniversary Celebration.
- Enter the Space Port and buckle up for a hyper-speed adventure through an even more exciting Space Mountain.
- Hurtle through the cosmos, past fields of shooting stars, celestial satellites and awesome new special effects.
- Rocket through the twists and turns to a brand new soundtrack.
http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneyl ... actionPage (http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneyland/en_US/parks/attractions/detail?name=SpaceMountainAttractionPage)
Sounds kinda familiar, no? I'm not sure who has actually created our SM:M2 but I was assuming it was DLP-I. I'm also unsure as to how much interaction there is between DLP-I and WDI, which could determine how many of "our" effects reappear in DL's SM come July.
And the soundtrack - it might be impossible for both to have the same soundtrack because of the different track layouts and so on, but they could be similar... And the fact that ours is being done by Michael Giacchino who will have bigger link with DL in California than Paris makes it even more likely that he could do both soundtracks perhaps...
Just thought I'd throw that in here to depress us all... :lol:
:shock: OMG! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why??????????????? :shock:
I'm telling everyone here that SM:M2 is a complete 'new' attraction, Everything updated, and much better than WDW............and now this! :shock: So we finally will have the same attraction again as at WDW, so people will think that Dlrp isn't original and cloned it just like a lot of other attractions.:(
Well, Anthony, thanks for depressing me! :wink:
Jorien :D
To be honest... this is what I'd expected... :(
Quote from: "Jorien"I'm telling everyone here that SM:M2 is a complete 'new' attraction, Everything updated, and much better than WDW............and now this! :shock: So we finally will have the same attraction again as at WDW, so people will think that Dlrp isn't original and cloned it just like a lot of other attractions.:(
Well.. not exactly. It's Disneyland Resort in California I'm talking about, not WDW. :wink: :lol: And the whole of that post was a "might" aswell, meaning that they could very well be different in the end. And you know what? Even if DLR do get some of the same effects, their SM is NEVER going to be as good as ours. Ours is just the best. It's got inversions, the launch, the Jules Verne theme, everything! I've been thinking some more about it and I now very much doubt DLR will get the same music, so it's only going to the be the effects that I think might be the same, which is actually a very small part of the ride experience really, especially when you take into account everything else that's better in Paris.
Quote from: "Jorien"Well, Anthony, thanks for depressing me! :wink:
No problem! I'm just about to post some images from DLRP Magazine of the new Envie de + magazine featuring SM:M2, so they might make you feel a bit better... :)
"Envie de +" Articles on SM:M2
The new Annual Passport magazine "Envie de +" has just been released, featuring lots of cool info on SM:M2...
Welcome & info page:
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Interview with one of the creators:
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Merchandise:
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SM:M2 restaurant options & more:
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(Source: Simba, DLRP Magazine forums)
I might translate some of those (mainly the interview - though it doesn't look like there's much new info there) and give you a summary a bit later - will be good revision for my French exam! :D
Quote from: "Baloo"Well.. not exactly. It's Disneyland Resort in California I'm talking about, not WDW. :wink: :lol:
Oops :oops: , *there seems to be even more wrong with me, then i already thought there was* :wink:
Anyway, thanks cheering me up again, we just have to wait and see. I'm still looking forward to that music.
Jorien :D
Edit: thanks for the images of the Envie de + Magie magazine, it looks great! Can't read it, so if you want some practice for your French Exam....... :wink:
New Safety Video Download!
It looks SO much better than the old one. I love the images of the columbiad to the right of the woman, and the shots of people on SM look quite good aswell - actually look like they weren't filmed in the mountain to be honest...
//http://coasterrider.free.fr/database/spacemountain/goodies/Video%20Warning%20Space%20Mountain%202.mpg
(Source: Coaster-Rider and Vivien on Disney Central Plaza forums)
It's definately a bit more Victorian aswell. It must be hard to make a *video* Victorian, but there's definately a hint of it there. The woman's appearance and costume in particular looks much more old fashioned and in-keeping with the ride.
On the subject of costumes - PLEASE let them have made new ones for the SM:M2 CMs!!! :D
Safety Video with Sound
Here it is, only in french though:
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(Source: dlpstephan, Disney Central Plaza Forums)
I'm not sure why it looks badly dubbed - maybe the audio and video are out of sync in that recording? I doubt it's really out of sync, they'd never leave something so obviously out of sync like that...
Quote from: "Baloo"I'm not sure why it looks badly dubbed - maybe the audio and video are out of sync in that recording? I doubt it's really out of sync, they'd never leave something so obviously out of sync like that...
Thank you for the link!!! It does look good. About the badly dubbed, i think it has something to do with changing the format of the video. It happens sometimes when you do that, the audio won't be exactly where it should be. (surprised? A girl who knows something like this? haha) :wink:
Jorien :D
Billboard in Paris
This is the coolest thing I have EVER seen:
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:shock: :shock:
Imagine living opposite that! DLRP are doing one hell of an amazing advertising job with this! It's just a shame they don't seem to be bothering with it in the UK just yet...
:shock: :shock: :shock: WOW!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: =D>
(can't say anything else) The only thing i directly thought is that i'm glad that i didn't discover it on my way. Because i would have stepped immediatly on the break of the car, without watching if there were cars behind me. :wink:
Jorien :D
Quote from: "Jorien"Quote from: "Baloo"I'm not sure why it looks badly dubbed - maybe the audio and video are out of sync in that recording? I doubt it's really out of sync, they'd never leave something so obviously out of sync like that...
Thank you for the link!!! It does look good. About the badly dubbed, i think it has something to do with changing the format of the video. It happens sometimes when you do that, the audio won't be exactly where it should be. (surprised? A girl who knows something like this? haha) :wink:
Jorien :D
Yeah the person probably reduced the frame rate.
QuoteWOW!!!!!
(can't say anything else) The only thing i directly thought is that i'm glad that i didn't discover it on my way. Because i would have stepped immediatly on the break of the car, without watching if there were cars behind me.
Jorien
Well just what I was going to say that really is one hell of a billboard, I want to live there :lol: . God just think if they did that much advertising here in the UK maybe just maybe coaster enhusiasts may get more bothered about this than stupid Rita:Queen of Speed coming to Alton Towers 6 days before Space Mountain Mission 2 opens :wink: . Woohoo I can't wait for this to come, I want it to be now :D . Oh well just about 10 days now till Space Mountain Mission 2 launches I say bring it on, this will be the best thing to happen to Disneyland Park within a decade and no doubt nothing too special will happen for the opening.
You can find another video of the ride testing here:
:arrow: //http://pozzi.jeanpierre.club.fr/dlrpmag/smmike.wmv
(Source: M!ke, DLRP Magazine Forums)
I think they must have been particularly testing the smoke there, since it's being released even when no train is being launched, which I doubt it will do when the ride is complete.
And also today, there's more work going on in the queue area of the ride, as reported by DLRP Magazine:
Barriers on the side of the bridge being repainted light yellow:
(//http://www.dlrpmagazine.com/news/mars05/3003053.jpg)
New railings inside the main queueline, probably to keep the queue into more of a single file to help organise it a bit more:
(//http://www.dlrpmagazine.com/news/mars05/3003052.jpg)
And finally, they're putting the frame back around the poster:
(//http://www.dlrpmagazine.com/news/mars05/3003057.jpg)
:D Very large and good quality SM:M2 plan...
:arrow: //http://img91.exs.cx/img91/5435/sm2plansupernova5vv.jpg
Attraction Preview Photos!
Here are some of the first, thanks to Ebenezer/Scrooge of DLRP Magic Interactive Forums (//http://www.disneymagicwebsites.com/forumdlrpmi/), and also Disney Power Board.
(//http://scrooge.site.voila.fr/smm2_10.jpg)
(some of these are different sizes because they've been posted in different places, so i've just put them all as links to make the forum faster loading)
New queue line:
//http://scrooge.site.voila.fr/smm2_09.jpg
//http://ebenbp.site.voila.fr/space2_01.jpg
The newly redecorated queue line observatory rooms:
//http://ebenbp.site.voila.fr/space2_02.jpg
//http://scrooge.site.voila.fr/smm2_10.jpg
The station:
//http://scrooge.site.voila.fr/smm2_11.jpg
//http://ebenbp.site.voila.fr/space2_03.jpg
The trains:
//http://scrooge.site.voila.fr/smm2_12.jpg
//http://ebenbp.site.voila.fr/space2_04.jpg
The new safety gates in the station:
//http://ebenbp.site.voila.fr/space2_05.jpg
//http://scrooge.site.voila.fr/smm2_14.jpg
Wow, what a great pictures you've posted here. I like the one of the plan too. I've never been on Space Mountain, but i still would like to try it sometime, especially after seeing all this great material. I only hope i won't get sick.
Jorien :D
Quote from: "Jorien"Wow, what a great pictures you've posted here. I like the one of the plan too. I've never been on Space Mountain, but i still would like to try it sometime, especially after seeing all this great material.
You've never been on it?! Don't let Patrick read that, or he'll go crazy... he was just overusing the word "god!" before when I told him I didn't go on Indy till last year... :lol:
I'm very glad we've got some good reporters over on the French forums though - this whole "new"-attraction-opening business would be much harder to get through without them and their wonderful proximity to the resort. :D
Quote from: "Baloo"You've never been on it?! Don't let Patrick read that, or he'll go crazy... he was just overusing the word "god!" before when I told him I didn't go on Indy till last year... :lol: .
:lol:
Oh he knows........ be sure of that! :wink:
Quote from: "Baloo"I'm very glad we've got some good reporters over on the French forums though - this whole "new"-attraction-opening business would be much harder to get through without them and their wonderful proximity to the resort. :D
Yes indeed, but the thing is i can't read French, so it's a bit hard to find out what they are talking about. But i guess you'll post it here, so finally i don't miss a thing at all. :wink:
Jorien :D
Kyoto on Dlrp Magic Interactive forums continues to keep us up-to-date, this time with a bumper selection of excellent Mission 2 preview photos:
The poster (notice the DM!)
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20026.jpg
Fastpass entrance
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20027.jpg
Queue line rooms:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20036.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20037.jpg
Station:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20038.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20039.jpg
Baltimore Gun Club still there:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20040.jpg
Trains:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20041.jpg
Nice new safety gates:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20043.jpg
Horrible soft opening sign:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20046.jpg
Filming the ride:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20051.jpg
Cool new red lighting in the cannon! (probably looks better without the camera flash!)
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20056.jpg
^^ the red lighting works REALLY well there. I'm impressed how much this actually improves the effect of it being a real cannon - something which I felt was lacking before now.
The red swirling light effect at the end of the ride.
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20055.jpg
Dodgy Disney Channel people:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20064.jpg
New(ish!) queuelines:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20075.jpg
I'm quite sure these are all definately queue line posters, NOT effects in the ride:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20077.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20078.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20079.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20080.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20081.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20081.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20082.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20083.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20084.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20085.jpg
Notice the copyright at the bottom of this, lol:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20086.jpg
Logo:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20087.jpg
More:
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20088.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20089.jpg
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20090.jpg
"Launch area" sign... nice touch! (it wasn't there before, was it?)
//http://kyoto.free.fr/DISNEY01042005%20091.jpg
And that's it! Hope that made browsing through all those photos a bit easier! :wink:
Thanks again to Kyoto, and the Dlrp Magic Interactive Forums he posts on (//http://www.disneymagicwebsites.com/forumdlrpmi/).
(Just need to make sure all these sources get enough credit for their hard work :D )
Kyoto also has some videos available on his webspace:
Pre-show video:
French
//http://kyoto.free.fr/PRESHOWF01042005%20033.mov
English
//http://kyoto.free.fr/PRESHOWA01042005%20032.mov
Ready for launch?
//http://kyoto.free.fr/SMM201042005%20125.mov
//http://kyoto.free.fr/SMM201042005%20126.mov
Exterior Video
//http://kyoto.free.fr/SMM201042005%20031.mov
Expect these to be very busy for a long time to come. :wink:
I've just watched this: (SMM201042005%20126.mov) video, and although it looks like you can't see everything there is to see when you're on the ride yourself... I'm stunned! It looks so incredible! And that lighting effect at the end is simply unbelieveable!
Shame I couldn't spot the Supernova in that vid though... I'll download the others now. :wink:
One major thing which I really hated though: they count down to the launch! This doesn't bother me at all to be honest, but I know it's going to upset a lot of people... :roll: :(
Quote from: "Baloo"I've just watched this: (SMM201042005%20126.mov) video, and although it looks like you can't see everything there is to see when you're on the ride yourself... I'm stunned! It looks so incredible! And that lighting effect at the end is simply unbelieveable!
Shame I couldn't spot the Supernova in that vid though... I'll download the others now. :wink: :(
Wow, the vids do look very good! But i couldn't see the Supernova either. That lighting effect does look great indeed!
You can also hear a bit of the music, that's what i was listening to especially. I couldn't hear all of it because of the screaming and noises, but what i heard i didn't like. Or at least i wasn't impressed. But like i said i couldn't hear it that well, so maybe when i hear the soundtrack without all the other sounds, i'll change my mind. :wink:
Jorien :D
Yeah, I got a bit more of the music from the first on-ride video (where he's sat further back in the train). it actually sounds quite a bit like the "100 Mile Dash" music from The Incredibles (the bit where Dash is running through the forest and over water).
I also saw the Supernova in that video. It doesn't look amazing, but it looked OK. I can remember hearing rumours there'd be heat and wind effects to go with it, but I think that was a really long time ago. Would have been a cool way to enchance it though... (uh oh.. I'm finding ways they could improve already! must.. stop..!)
Thank you so much for all this information.
I haven't seen the two onride videos I only listend to the audio ;).
I'm excited now and I'm waiting untill we can hear the complete audio :D.
It looks great! Off course this only gives you an impression and riding SMM2 itself will be a completely different experience. Anyway: I can't wait to try it!
BTW talked to a CM and she thinks the music is great :wink:
Quote from: "Willem"BTW talked to a CM and she thinks the music is great :wink:
See that's what i mean, you can't say anything about it because of a video! We'll just have to wait and see....or hear! :wink:
Jorien :D
Quote from: "Baloo"//http://kyoto.free.fr/SMM201042005%20126.mov
I heard this movie and it sounds more like a Boeing 747 flying by :D
BUT they are nice movies and i cant wait to do the ride in real life. Until then i will only LISTEN to these movies :wink:
Quote from: "Sweet Laker"Quote from: "Baloo"//http://kyoto.free.fr/SMM201042005%20126.mov
I heard this movie and it sounds more like a Boeing 747 flying by :D
BUT they are nice movies and i cant wait to do the ride in real life. Until then i will only LISTEN to these movies :wink:
:D It's nice to see people who are visiting the park in the near future are waiting until they are actually on the ride to judge it. People can all too quickly jump to conclusions and base all their opinions on just a few videos.
If anyone has ever seen on-ride videos of RNRC, they'll know that all the video shows is a fast start then simply lots of flashing lights. To someone who's never been on the ride this means nothing, and it's the same here. A video camera can simply never give you the same kind of feeling actually being on the ride can, and so I'm very glad at least some people are reserving their final judgement till they've been on it. Me - I doubt I'll be going to DLRP anytime soon, so I'm watching it all! :lol:
Surprisingly, I only watched the on-rides once yesterday, so I'm going to go and watch them again repeatedly and see if I can make out more of the effects in the ride on the video. You can definately see the supernova in one of the videos, and the animation looks very nice at least. It's probably a much more exciting thing to watch whilst going up the lift hill than the moon.
That effect at the end with the red lights spinning reminds me of the effect with Buzz's laser gun in Astro Blasters, and looks to be totally disorientating aswell. I wouldn't be surprised if that one crops up in DL's revamped Space Mountain aswell. :)
Not yet seen the movies. I'll wait till tomorrow. The real stuff.
Oh you're going? Have a great time!!!!
Jorien :D
woow...!! there's nothing else to do but waiting...waiting
Got a friend riding SMM2 today and he's keeping me posted with texts :lol:
Seems like it's very busy over there which I suppose is a good thing! He said he would contact me as soon as he has ridden it, and considering it was open from 15.00, the queue is very very long!
He has my strict orders that if there is any form of music or video on sale that he has to buy it, nomatter what the price is! I have a complete SMM2 shopping list ready :P
Quote from: "Kris"Got a friend riding SMM2 today and he's keeping me posted with texts :lol:
Seems like it's very busy over there which I suppose is a good thing! He said he would contact me as soon as he has ridden it, and considering it was open from 15.00, the queue is very very long!
OMG! Then it must be really busy there. I know this must sound really strange what i'll be saying now. But then i'm glad i didn't go. I was really tempted to go too, but because i already thought that it would be so crowded i didn't. I have never been on SM, and i really want to now. So i want it to experience when it's a little less crowded.
Quote from: "Kris"He has my strict orders that if there is any form of music or video on sale that he has to buy it, nomatter what the price is! I have a complete SMM2 shopping list ready :P
That would be a great stunt, if there would be a new cd for sale too!!!
Jorien :D
noooo....!!! i want it....i want it :P
Here is a video of the ride: http://www.elecindustrie.com/INT/smm2web.avi (http://www.elecindustrie.com/INT/smm2web.avi)
You can hear the soundtrack of the ride rather good. What do you think of it?
I don't like it at all. Please don't say that i can't judge because i only saw a video. I haven't been on the first SM either, so also from that one i only saw videos and heard the soundtrack. And i really liked that one. The new soundtrack sounds far to modern for this ride (it sounds like a bad detective) and my opinion is that the whole magical atmosphere has gone too. I really had hoped it would be something like the first one, but then different. :(
Jorien :D
Thanks for the video! :wink:
This is by no means a verdict on the attraction as a whole but rather the music and how I believe it fits the Victorian (??!) theme of the attraction. And you know what? I HATE it. I absolutely blummin' HATE it!!! :lol: It's not bad music but it's just SO different from the old music that it really makes me laugh.
You know what makes me laugh the most? Now that I think about it, it fits the ride! In a really weird, twisted kind of way it really does fit, even with all the Victorian stuff... It's even got quite a lot of charm to it, and certainly seems to add to the excitement of the mission.
At the moment though, I still absolutely hate it as much as I try not to. It just isn't grand enough or epic enough for an attraction like this. OK, it's fast-paced and really quite cool, but it just really doesn't seem right.
I'll probably 100% love it when I finally get to do the ride myself, but from what I've seen of photos and videos of the ride... something is missing. There's that touch or that spark of magic that just doesn't seem to be there. I know sitting at home watching this stuff is most definately not like being there, but I am starting to quite dislike the "feel" of the ride now.
It is actually really hard to give an opinion and not judge the ride, and since I've waffled enough and given about 50 different opinions already I think I should stop now... :lol: I'll wait to use the words "I HATE IT" with full meaning until I actually ride the damn thing, and until them I'm certainly looking forward to Raptor and flor's return, with perhaps a little bit of fear aswell... :?
You really think it fits the ride? I've listened to it many times now, without watching the video. And the music is not that bad. But i just don't like it. And when i watch it together with the video, it just doesn't seem right. I'm missing something in it, can't describe what exactly. But that other soundtrack fitted so well with the area music too. Are they going to change that too? I hope not. :(
Jorien :D
Quote from: "Jorien"You really think it fits the ride? I've listened to it many times now, without watching the video. And the music is not that bad. But i just don't like it. And when i watch it together with the video, it just doesn't seem right.
Yeah, the music itself is actually quite good, and I do believe it fits this ride. Unfortunately that's the problem though - it's given the ride a whole new personality. Gone is the classical, epic feeling of the first mission and in comes some kind of modern action movie rollercoaster that wouldn't feel out of place in WDS. Of course, I'm overstepping the mark there and judging before I've been on it, but as I said the feeling and personality of the old ride is completely gone, which I actually really wasn't expecting. I stick by what I said that the music fits the ride though - it's just a shame that I think they actually changed the ride too much!
Quote from: "Jorien"I'm missing something in it, can't describe what exactly. But that other soundtrack fitted so well with the area music too. Are they going to change that too? I hope not. :(
Yeah, you're absolutely right. From those videos it really is missing something. Where's the music as you head to the cannon? And why does the music at the end sound so generic and uninspiring after such an amazing space adventure? In fact, the whole score sounds incredibly generic and really rather boring. I doubt I'll want to listen to it as much as I've listened to the old soundtrack. It just doesn't seem to have a proper theme or a certain sound to it. It's kindof 50% action movie 40% The Incredibles and 10% the old music, and it just seems really out of place in "our" mountain.
Even though the ride has changed so much, I think if you ride SM:M2 with SM's music then the feeling would still be there. And so, I'm afriad I've got to come to the conclusion that this actually isn't that good a piece of music afterall. Sure, if SM:M2 was a totally new ride then the music would be great and the whole thing would be amazing... but when you think back to the first Mission... it definately seems to have lost something.
(again, sorry for the indecisive post - to summarise:
- i like the music
- i dont like what it does to the ride
- it does however fit the ride, and I think that's what I dont like: the new "personality" of the ride.)
I'm sure I'll get over it, or change my opinion again within 5mins... :lol:
Well, it took 14mins, but I have changed my opinion and calmed down now. It's just such a shock to hear such a truly dramatic change in the style of music!
I shouldn't really have posted my opinion of what I've seen (and heard!) in that video so soon. I've watched it a few more times now, and also even watched a video of the original ride. From what I can see, the ride has been improved no end. It really does look incredible now. Just small little things like the cannon being in the dark, the red lights behind the train as it launches, etc. are all so good.
And so, from what I've seen so far, the only thing which does really disappoint me is the music. Basically, it isn't as good as I expected. Whilst I do believe it fits the ride, I think it's really not the best Giacchino could have done. I stick by with what I said about it fitting the ride, though. It really does, and it gives it a whole new atmosphere that I'm slowly getting used to.
I don't hate the look of the ride, I just wish they'd have used the same person to make the ride music as the one who did the trailer music. Now THAT would have been awesome! :D
When I next ride SM I don't think it's going to go down in my opinion, infact I think I'll like it probably more than twice as much. The only thing is - it could have gone up even more! Damn music! :lol:
The ride is awesome!!!!
And except for the Columbiad and the Velocitor, there is nothing Victorian about the ride :'(.
BUT The special effects are great except the Supernova!!
The Hypergate and comets are just so stunning.
A piece of the old Fast Pass hall is now used for the queuing lines.
The music: It's quite modern, but it really fits well with the total new concept of Space Mountain.
It's all in a modern way.
The screens with the warning video are high tech flat screens. Pictures later today! ;-)
Nice to hear something positive!!!! So at least the ride is great!
About what Anthony said about the music. I think that's what's making us all so disappointed: that great trailer music!!!! For some reason i knew that it wouldn't be exactly like that, but i did expect something that sounded a bit like it. :( (Some sort of adventurous theme, like you're in a movie yourself.)
Jorien :D
Quote from: "flor"The music: It's quite modern, but it really fits well with the total new concept of Space Mountain.
It's all in a modern way.
I'm really glad you like it so much. It does look like an incredible ride, and I think the main reason for my negativity when I saw that video yesterday was that I was simply so stunned at just how different Space Mountain is now. It didn't seem like they were changing a lot of the ride, but seeing that video it did seem like a completely different ride and I truly was shocked!
Now though, I'm really loving it. It still looks to have a few Victorian elements there, and isn't totally modern at all. It's sort of rock n rollercoaster meets de la terre a la lune, which seems to work surprisingly well. I don't think it'll age too badly like the first ride either, since it's so full of effects now that as long as they keep them all working it'll still be just as good as it sounds in 10 years.
I can't wait to see your photos now flor, I'm totally in love with the ride... though still fairly unsure on the music to be honest! :lol:
It sounds good to me :oops:
As a huge Space Mountain fan, I really have to admit that I like this new version!! It's not better, simply because you can't compare both versions...
Mission 2 is a modern version of De la Terre a la lune, it has lost most of it's Victorian style, but it has still a few points reffering to Mission 1, like the drawing of the Cannon in the queing area, the Baltimore Gun Club logo and so on...
On-Ride Music Download!
You can download an excellent recording of the SM:M2 on-board music here:
:arrow: http://pozzi.jeanpierre.club.fr/dlrpmag ... Onride.wma (http://pozzi.jeanpierre.club.fr/dlrpmag/SpaceMountain_Mission2Onride.wma)
(source: ptimax; http://www.forumrrc.fr.st (http://www.forumrrc.fr.st))
Now that I can fully hear it, I actually really quite like it. As a piece of music it's actually surprisingly good. Whereas originally I thought it sounded too generic and just like "any other action movie", now I can really hear the proper style and themes in there, which are not bad at all!
I definately agree now that it doesn't fit with Space Mountain, but then I'm prepared to accept that our Space Mountain is different now. It's Mission 2 - it's new, it's faster, it goes further and most definately gives more of a WOW!
I think it's time to once again say "well done DLRP!!". They could have messed this up so badly, but it has all turned out superbly in the end! Even the music won me over eventually! :lol:
Finally someone gets it!!! This soundtrack doesn't fit with Mission 1, but really, it fits with Mission 2!!!
I'm really getting curious now! Can't wait to try it myself Saturday. Hope FastPass will work for SMM2 this weekend...
I've listened to the soundtrack now for several times. And it really is not bad, but i still don't like it!
However i can see now that it fits the ride and this soundtrack will fasten it. So i guess it was needed for this 'new' ride. But the difference between the first soundtrack is that you could listen to it as a soundtrack on its own and like it without needing to ride the attraction. With this new one i think it's not a soundtrack you just listen to, it's just part of the whole attraction and experience.
Jorien :D
Jorien gets it too. :lol: :D
Quote from: "raptor1982"Jorien gets it too. :lol: :D
haha! LOL :lol:
Yes it took me a while! That's what you really wanted to say didn't you? :lol: :wink:
Jorien :D
Yes! But it's quite hard to explain I guess. You really have to do the ride to judge it!! :D
But i still can't compare anything then, because i've never been on the first SM! But okay, next time i'm there i will try it okay. Let's hope i won't get sick!
Jorien :D
Yesterday there was the Grand Opening. You can see (some) pictures on //http://users.telenet.be/dlp-reisgids/events/2005/spacemountain/spacemountain.html
Those pics are so cool to see, looks like Vin Diesel enjoyed himself :D . Suppose minor stars like Miss France had to be there :lol: . Still good to see they had some more major stars to California's Adevntures ToT opening last year :wink: . Plus those lighting effects look so nice, they really have created a good grand opening of the relaunch of the coaster :D .
Yes these pictures are great. It's very nice to see that they had done something good and special for the opening. :)
Hope they will do something (small) this Saturday and not just open the gates...
Thanks for putting those photos online. :D The VIP Press Event looked really really nice. Much better than I was expecting, and the fireworks look amazing...
See here for more photos: http://www.dlp.info/Guide/News-And-Rumo ... -Event.asp (http://www.dlp.info/Guide/News-And-Rumours/Specials/SM-M2-Press-Event.asp)
Quote from: "Willem"Hope they will do something (small) this Saturday and not just open the gates...
Me too, even just a small ribbon-cutting ceremony with Mickey would be nice... :)
And look! They haven't forgotten about Jules Verne...
(//http://www.dlp.info/Guide/images/News/ShowsParadesFestivals/Disneyland/SM-M2-Press-Event/SMM2-Press-Event008.jpg)
The celebration started in earnest after dusk when Jules Verne himself invited guests to make the next step into the future he always envisioned. Having been the mastermind behind the journey to the moon, which guests could join since 1995 he proclaimed it to be time to make the next step, the step to the outer boundaries of the universe.
Yes, so the guy playing him looks really creepy, but IT'S JULES VERNE!!! In Discoveryland! In 2005!!! :D
There are lots of videos featuring SM:M2 here: http://www.funradio.fr/fun-radio/fanta.asp (http://www.funradio.fr/fun-radio/fanta.asp)
It looks like the morning show of the radio station had a special morning there, with the presenters and some extra people testing out the ride...
Thank you for the great link!!!! =D> (I was actually searching for another icon, but it isn't there)
Jorien :D
Was David Beckham there??! That's what I've just read on Sven's castmember diary...
http://users.pandora.be/patscompany/Dis ... /index.htm (http://users.pandora.be/patscompany/DisneySite/castmember/index.htm)
If so, why haven't we heard more about this? He's way bigger in Europe than Vin Diesel! He gets much more press coverage anyway...
The fact that I haven't heard *anything* about this anywhere else makes me think it's a mistake though... :?
Well also don't know if this is gonna be perminant but I recieved word from Raptor this morning that the recoil system has broken again :( . I so much hope this is not a perminant feature. :cry:
Well raptor sent me another email and now the Columbiad recoil is being tested again so it looks like its back up and running :D .
Quote from: "PATMAGIC"Well raptor sent me another email and now the Columbiad recoil is being tested again so it looks like its back up and running :D .
Phew!! :D It's worrying that it's not working too good again already. Whoever designed that recoil movement in the first place should be ashamed of themselves! :lol:
I found a news report on SM:M2 from TF1 yesterday, but the video didn't really want to load so I didn't post it, but this one does work, so get watching!!!
http://videos.tf1.fr/video/news/newsthe ... =,00.html# (http://videos.tf1.fr/video/news/newsthemes/france/0,,3212030-e3BsYXllciBxdWFsaXR5IFVOVl9JRH0gezIwMiAyMDEgMX0=,00.html#)
For the first time there's official on-ride footage which shows you the projections and things which you fly through a lot more clearly than any other video! It's great to see DLRP have got a nice collection of ride footage collected already. :D
Hey great video!!!! =D>
Do you have any idea how i can save this to my computer? For some reason i can't save it.
Jorien :D
No, unfortunately like those Fanta radio station videos I posted yesterday it can't be downloaded and saved... not without a lot of hassle anyway probably. It's because it's a .asx file and not a .wmv, so it can only be streamed and not saved I think.
Quote from: "Jorien"Hey great video!!!! =D>
Do you have any idea how i can save this to my computer? For some reason i can't save it.
Jorien :D
I have ripped the whole news broadcast from the site with some special tools and that is 140 mb's.
Now I'm going to convert it to mpeg and cut the SM mission 2 part out of it :D :P.
EDIT: It took a while but I have the vid on my harddisk now :D.
Are you still going to rip that showtime bit?
I saw it and recorded it, and it was cool to see the fireworks 8).
Did you like it then? Okay that fireworks was great indeed, but it was i think one or two seconds or so. The rest.........it really wasn't worth being called 'special', and i have no idea why they had to make such a big announcement for weeks for it.
I'll try to capture it today!!
Jorien :D
I'm looking forward to these videos! Hopefully there will be more of them soon aswell, since the ride officially opens TODAY! :D
The special is apparently quite funny as DJ Tiesto couldn't stand the heat of SMM2... he chickend out! After getting in the train for press pictures, he then got out complaining he was ill. LAME EXCUSE!
He also did DLRP a massive favour as he had the general attitude that he didn't care it was DLRP or SMM2, but a time to promote himself further. Nice to have such enthusiasm from him don't you think?
The special was VERY funny to watch. It just made me laugh how they went to all that trouble with it and then within a few seconds it was over! They got those people into the studio and all the outside broadcast stuff just for those 3mins! :lol:
It was good to see some of the official opening though. It had that glossy, professional look that all DLRP events seem to have when they film them - like Donald's birthday and the WDS opening. I hope we get to see the full footage sometime...
And it's nice to see Tiesto couldn't handle SM:M2 - I've always thought he looked a bit weedy and weak, despite the cool guy DJ image. We need *proper* exploranauts! :P
But did you know that VIN DIESEL, the man that dis Fast&Furious, Riddick and XXX did'nt RIDE SM2 neither! He is scared of rollercoasters!
Moreover i was qite surprised when i learnt from the event that Vin Diesel was actually gay! :shock: 8)
Yesterday morning we were standing on the Disneyland Hotel Parking and at 9.20 we heard music at Space Mountain. The ride music was played OUTSIDE the attraction and the crowd at the SM:M2 gates was teased before they could enter the attraction. We were too late to take some pictures but at the gates of the attraction, there were those colourful ribbons in the lamps of SM (like those they used during the Carnival season)
So there was a little opening for the guests ;)
Quote from: "Kinou"But did you know that VIN DIESEL, the man that dis Fast&Furious, Riddick and XXX did'nt RIDE SM2 neither! He is scared of rollercoasters!
:lol: :lol: Really?! Oh dear... DLRP aren't too good with their choices of celebs are they?
Quote from: "Kinou"Moreover i was qite surprised when i learnt from the event that Vin Diesel was actually gay! :shock: 8)
I seem to be saying this a lot, but: "really?!" :shock: I actually wouldn't have guessed that one...
Quote from: "flor"So there was a little opening for the guests ;)
Yep, there was! It was just the usual dodgy DLRP mini-ceremony, with the "Resort Ambassador" speaking English rather poorly...
Video here: http://pozzi.jeanpierre.club.fr/dlrpmag ... uresm2.wmv (http://pozzi.jeanpierre.club.fr/dlrpmag/ceremoniedouverturesm2.wmv)
(source: Ptimax, DLRP Magazine)
Here's a picture of the new Mission 2 photo frames:
(//http://www.photosmagiques.com/trip/7_8_9_april_2005/mission2_photoframe.jpg)
It looks SO beautiful! Easily DLRP's best on-ride photo artwork!
Just one question: are the Mickey gloves added in or were you really wearing them? :? :D
Quote from: "Baloo"It looks SO beautiful! Easily DLRP's best on-ride photo artwork!
Just one question: are the Mickey gloves added in or were you really wearing them? :? :D
Yes that's something I want to know too. :wink: :D
It was a very, very, very cold day. So we got ourselves mickey gloves :lol:
we were wearing them as it was soooooo cold yesterday ;))
the guy in the vid is the chief of Imagineering? I can't understand what the ambassador is saying due to the music over her voice.
Quote from: "raptor1982"It was a very, very, very cold day. So we got ourselves mickey gloves
Haha! I thought they looked too good to have been added on like those Mickey/Minnie plushes on the RNRC photos!
Quote from: "flor"the guy in the vid is the chief of Imagineering? I can't understand what the ambassador is saying due to the music over her voice.
DLP.info said he's the "President of Attractions", though you're right that the music is too loud to hear her - looks like they didn't quite get their timing right there. She's also quite hard to understand without loud music anyway! :lol:
Part two of Alain Littaye's Space Mountain article is now online, featuring a look at mission 2 with a review and walk-through of the attraction.
http://www.miceage.com/guest/gu040905a.htm (http://www.miceage.com/guest/gu040905a.htm)
I've only read the first paragraph, but he seems to like it... A LOT! :D :D
Yes! Mission Two is good... it's very good... It's even more than just that, as we probably now have here in Paris the best Space Mountain version in the world! No kidding here, I'm serious. The Imagineers have done a wonderful re-theming...
And, because I'm strange, this photo has got me drooling...
(//http://miceage.skyfirehosting.com/gu040905pics/gu040905d.jpg)
No, it's nothing to do with the two women there... those press information packs!!! :lol: They look beautiful and such high quality! DLRP have such a talent for these excellent press info packs... I want them sooo much! [/stupid babbling by baloo]
I found some pictures of the opening, some are very large, so i only put the links online. Otherwise the forum will get very slow for some i think. :wink:
http://nazim.maraf.neuf.fr/DSCF0001.JPG (http://nazim.maraf.neuf.fr/DSCF0001.JPG)
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Jorien :D
Karl Holz has nothing to do with Imagineering. He's someone coming from the united states but he is really important in euro disney sca. He's (I think) financial director at least as important as Lacroix but much more severe and strict!!!! lol
and now we know who that guy was ;)
Thanks Disc°O°veryboy ;)
A financial director opening an attraction?? :?
What was his speech??
"Now get your butts inside that attraction, because it costed a lot of money!!!"
it was a bit like this actually! lol (i was part of the ceremony on the right)
this ceremony was really horrible!
The ambassador (I hate her, she's so stupid!) didn't have anything to say and we could see that she had learn her speech by heart. And what about her English??? And her voice is so annoying!!!!!!!! I can't understand why she's been chosen! lol (my boyfriend was part of the competition and was finalist with her)
Karl Holz really is not the good person to invite to open an attraction!!! He looked bored and not interested about what he said...
AND IT WAS SOOOOO COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, i have been to DLRP from the 10th till the 13th of April and offcourse i tried SM:2!!
I have done the ride twice during my last visit. I must say, I like Mission 2 as much as i like the First one.
The effects are nice to see and i love the Super Nova and the part of the ride after that. They created a very good atmosphere.
Also the Blast Off has improved in my opinion. I like it better to get launched from the bottem. The only thing i regretted was the fact you get slowed down at the top of the lift hill, which decreases the effect of getting launched.
But in general, i like the ride.
And now i think of it, i forgot to buy the Action picture, so i will have to do that the next trip. BUT i DO have the SM: Mission 2 pin. And i am very happy with it :)
But nevertheless, Allthough Mission 2 is a great ride to do, i still miss the old one. Because that one also had such an good atmosphere. I think its still a pity its gone. And some people thought SM De la terre de La Lune still excisted. They thought Disney builded a complete new building etcetera for Mission 2. Disappointed they were in the beginning, but they also liked Mission 2. :wink:
Yeah a friend of Flor asked him: where are they building that new space mountain? They must have quite a lot of space left to build such a big building. :lol:
Haha yeah amazing actually I can't believe people don't get after you have said to them they are installing new effects that they are not building a new ride, that people continue to ask me wow that was quick construction how many years have they been working on that :lol: , well they are just normal coaster fans and not Disney fans thankfully.
I feel really sorry for those poor info CMs in the park who have to answer guests' questions and tell them that SM:M2 is only a new version of the old ride... They're going to be getting some grief this year! :?
On a happier note, it's strange that I said to raptor last night how I missed those banners in the station, because look here:
:arrow: //http://ebenbp.site.voila.fr/space2_09.jpg
(source: Ebenezer, Disney Power Board)
Very nice, eh? :D
=D> I want one!!!
Quote from: "Baloo"I feel really sorry for those poor info CMs in the park who have to answer guests' questions and tell them that SM:M2 is only a new version of the old ride... They're going to be getting some grief this year! :?
On a happier note, it's strange that I said to raptor last night how I missed those banners in the station, because look here:
:arrow: //http://ebenbp.site.voila.fr/space2_09.jpg
(source: Ebenezer, Disney Power Board)
Very nice, eh? :D
Lol, thats fast indeed, they were'nt present when i was in the park neither. Need Magic? You've GOT it!! lol
By the way, something less happy. I was walking in the parc the first day and i noticed the Easter Theming was still present in the parc. So i was ready to film it the second day (the first day i arrived at 2,30 PM and wanted to see the parc first) they removed ALL the Easter theming in that night..... :(
Oh well, i have seen it with my own eyes, that makes it a little bit better to deal with :P
Those banners are very cool :lol:
Wow! Something new to report about SM:M2!! :D
On this website (//http://vin.dupont.free.fr/Jukebox/disneyland/Discoveryland/SMMI2/SMMI2.htm#) you can download a live recording of the music/audio from the queue line of the attraction. It mainly just consists of the distant sounds of trains passing in the mountain and various announcements like "Teams Alpha & Beta to the launch area".
The file can be downloaded here:
:arrow: //http://vince.ds.free.fr/Jukebox/Disneyland/Discoveryland/SMMI2/File_attente.wma
(recorded by Ptimax)
Was there music in the queue of the old attraction? I can't remember hearing any - just the trains passing...
There was the theme of Krull.
Quote from: "Baloo"Wow! Something new to report about SM:M2!! :D
I'm sorry, i don't want to sound bad, but is this file new??? (Maybe the recording is) I already heard a recording of this, last month or even the month before that i think. :?
Jorien :D
Well it's new to me, and it hasn't been posted on here before at least... :wink:
I don't think I've heard this soundfile before. But it doesn't matter, I've heard it live already. :P
Here's something interesting:
There's a long DLRP advertising running on Liberty TV (a travel channel) with an onride video of Mission 2 (a very good one actually), including the soundtrack. I hope to record it sometime.
Some new visuals have been released by DLRP, and they look rather cool...
(//http://www.dlrpmagic.com/smm2/log/0608_newvisual_1sm.jpg) (//http://www.dlrpmagic.com/smm2/log/0608_newvisual_1.jpg)
(//http://www.dlrpmagic.com/smm2/log/0608_newvisual_2sm.jpg) (//http://www.dlrpmagic.com/smm2/log/0608_newvisual_2.jpg)
(sorry for the logos, but you know what people are like these days...)
It's good to see they're still working on advertising it! :D
BTW, did you manage to record that programme Raptor? It does sound very interesting. :wink:
Yes!!!!!!!! Flor got it on dvd-r. I'll transfer it digitally to PC as soon as possible!
:D I loved it! :P Much better than the original, and that's hard to say because the original was brilliant too!
A new initiative from DLRP Business Solutions is a special new "Space Mountain: Mission 2 Night" planned event that businesses can book. They get rides on SM:M2 and then a space-themed event inside one of the resort's convention halls. They've even got a special video up about it:
http://www.drpbusiness.com/newsletters/events9/smm2.htm (http://www.drpbusiness.com/newsletters/events9/smm2.htm)
from:
http://www.drpbusiness.com/uk/5100.php#a (http://www.drpbusiness.com/uk/5100.php#a)
:lol: :lol: :lol: Not sure what to think of this...
Quote from: "raptor1982":lol: :lol: :lol: Not sure what to think of this...
LOL, why? Do you not think it'll work, or do you just think it's a weird idea?
An onride video of the new Space Mountain at California is now online!!! it's a bit dark, and effects are really hard to see...
http://www.mouseinfo.com/showupdate.php ... 01&page=15 (http://www.mouseinfo.com/showupdate.php?id=20050701&page=15)
The restraints on some SM:M2 trains now have new padding on them... secured in place with scotch tape!! :lol:
(//http://www.dlrp.fr/news/upload/dlp/smm2/smm2ceintures150805_small.jpg) (//http://www.dlrp.fr/news/upload/dlp/smm2/smm2ceintures150805.jpg)
Source: http://www.dlrp.fr (http://www.dlrp.fr)
Apparently they make the bumpiness worse as well, since now you're sure to bump you head against the sides...
I suppose this means that they're aware of how bad it (IMO) is.
These have been in place for quite some time now, and it's not held together witch scotch tape. I've read the same message on a French board. The extra head support is attached with some sort of silicone glue. I'll get a decent picture of it next time I'm there.
Oh yes this well interesting I thought they looked odd when I rode it, also it seems a bit odd doesn't it, but does not affect my ride anyway and if anything probably hit my ears a little more than usual :lol: , since my head is higher than the restraint lol.
Finally! This is the mp3 we've been waiting for...
:arrow: //http://smmission2.free.fr/musiques/Space%20Mountain%20Mission%202%20-%20Full%20Show.mp3
The file name says it all - just over 2 minutes of magic! It's not 100% full - it seems to start halfway through some extra (and really cool) music, but it's probably the best we'll ever get without a proper CD release.
Massive thanks to Androland for the track!
Are there any changes to the route of the ride? Does it do anything more scary than it used to??? I haven't been on since it was revamped.Dying to know more.Will be there again soon.
:stitch_bounce:
No, the route is exactly the same, except you are now launched from lower down in the cannon. Every effect seems new, the music is new, the queue line is new and the trains have been re-painted... with new speakers in some (I believe). The track is still the same, but the effects tell the story of a new journey into space. It's dead cool (in short). :D
Side not: All the vehicles got new speakers, the same as the ones in the Rock 'n Roller Coaster. :D
Sounds great.Pity it'll be closed for 2 days I'm there but it's open for 2 so it should be ok.
(Closed 12th and 13th) :(
:bump:
I've noticed that there are lots of people who are somewhat unfair to the update of space mountain. Before i was in agreement (more or less), but now I've had a big change of heart toward mission 2.
I loved de la terre a la lune and its brilliant score and theming that was actually consistent with the outside of the ride and the rest of discoveryland and i was disappointed at first with the update (aside from the special effects inside the mountain and the new paint job and lights outside which i was always impressed with). This was before i went to DLRP again last month when i realised just how brilliant it is! Looking back to the old ride the scenery and theming inside the mountain were a bit lame (apart from the view from the queue) but on the ride itself, the asteroids were 2 dimensional, the UV painted wooden cutouts of characters from the book (presumably) and the basic slowly rotating projection of the moon at the climax of the ride is just so...... 90s!
I remember being amazed at these decorations before the ride was revamped, but i think that was due to me being 13 and a child of the 90s. if they had kept the inside as it was, it would look rubbish nower days and i seriously doubt it would wow today's media savvy 21st century 13 yr olds with their x-stations and wii-boxes.
The soundtrack was better on the original, and i preferred the old storyline and the grandeur of it all. But the effects (and the faster cannon launch) make it an improvement in my eyes.
One way it could be better (maybe something they could do when mission 2 is showing age) is to have modern special effects AND the old from the earth to the moon storyline- with a re-recorded version of the old soundtrack.
That is what i would like to see. But until then, i'd like people to stop bashing mission 2 and start loving it as i do.
Hmm cant really remember much about the first mission... Did it mostly with my eyes closed and screaming very loudly :oops: , and towards the end, when I started opening my eyes (still screaming very loudly), without my glasses (always afraid of them flying off), I couldn't see much...
Same for Mission 2, there's mostly one bit, I guess it's the supernova explosion, that is right before your eyes, that one I can see!! And the bit in the tunnel with the red lights, love that bit!! (dont remember if that was also like that before...)
Space Mountain is great. Don't see how anyone could complain about it!
Quote from: "davidrsykes"i seriously doubt it would wow today's media savvy 21st century 13 yr olds with their x-stations and wii-boxes.
There's more to Disney than the 'x-stations and wii-boxes' generation. The old theming of Space Mountain wasn't lame to me, just the lighting could've been taken better care of. Also not all the asteroids were 2 dimensional. They were half spheres as far as i know of.
Quote from: "davidrsykes"That is what i would like to see. But until then, i'd like people to stop bashing mission 2 and start loving it as i do.
I respect your contribution to this topic, but please let everyone have his/her own opinion.
I'm starting to like SM:M2 more and more now too. On my last visit I rode it during the EMHs and had a train to myself, sitting in the front seat, with the music actually working. :shock: It was definitely one of the highlights of my trip. I also noticed it's nowhere near as rough in the front as it is in the back.
I still prefered de la Terre à la Lune though.
I like to hear both sides to every argument. This thread surely has pointed out the best and worst bits.
As davidsykes points out maybe it's time we just accept what we've got rather than yearn for the past.
But...
Quote from: "davidrsykes"One way it could be better (maybe something they could do when mission 2 is showing age) is to have modern special effects AND the old from the earth to the moon storyline- with a re-recorded version of the old soundtrack.
Isn't this returning it to mission 1?
I think the new soundtrack has to be the main grip for me.
I'm afraid now it's too late to return to an updated Mission 1. This is mainly because of the younger audience is more interested in the entire space theme than the old Jules Verne story. But i still think DLRP should have taken some more time for Mission 2 in 2005, if you look in it some way it is somehow rushed. Some effects are well worked out like the red vortex and lots of projections but for instance they need to make it darker in the mountain, you can almost see every support and track in the building sometimes. And the Supernova could've been more awesome with some effects added and a clearer projection and maybe done a bigger update to the trains to make the ride smoother. But i still think Mission 2 is awesome though.
We can squabble for ages about projections and props, but there are three things that have truly killed the ride for me:
- the loss of the music;
- the loss of the walk-through;
- the loss of a fantastic theme.
And catering to today's teenagers does not always mean giving them fast, shiny things with Japanese characters plastered all over them. Look at the movie industry; the Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean. Each ventures into dusty old worlds of archaic parlance and historic allusions yet they have conquered the short attention spans of young people and pried them away from their Wiis for a few hours. Compare the simple, 20-year old Indy series to the flashy, ADHD-paced, uber-CGI'ed Tomb Raider movies; which ones do people still care about? Yes, the old, CGI-less Indy films.
Catering to the lowest common denominator seldom works in the long run.
i didn't mean that i don't accept other people's opinions, it's just that i think that people are a bit unfair to it- i know there are lots of people who set out to make themselves not enjoy things simply because they are new and different and because they change pre-existing things that they love and enjoy (a good example casino royale- remember the anger that was created over a blond bond?- and sure enough, these people hated it). I certainly agree that it may have been rushed somewhat in its development- especially regarding the smoothness of the ride vehicles however.
and just to point out a problem with pussinboots comments 9though i agree with what your saying) lord of the rings, harry potter (the movies) and pirates of the Caribbean are enormous, epic, expensive special effects laden films with enormous fight scenes and moments of nothing but CGI- i get what you mean, but i still think that modern entertainment is very high-tech and special effects laden, and needs to be because it what people expect and they are not impressed with anything less
Quote from: "davidrsykes"i didn't mean that i don't accept other people's opinions, it's just that i think that people are a bit unfair to it- i know there are lots of people who set out to make themselves not enjoy things simply because they are new and different and because they change pre-existing things that they love and enjoy (a good example casino royale- remember the anger that was created over a blond bond?- and sure enough, these people hated it). I certainly agree that it may have been rushed somewhat in its development- especially regarding the smoothness of the ride vehicles however.
and just to point out a problem with pussinboots comments 9though i agree with what your saying) lord of the rings, harry potter (the movies) and pirates of the Caribbean are enormous, epic, expensive special effects laden films with enormous fight scenes and moments of nothing but CGI- i get what you mean, but i still think that modern entertainment is very high-tech and special effects laden, and needs to be because it what people expect and they are not impressed with anything less
Yes, you're right, it's all CGI nowadays... Still, "Speed Racer" bombed and I've heard the new Indy film manages to stay true to its 1980s roots, which would be tame for today's standards. But POTC, LOTR etc. do have themes that are at least as old and dusty as Jules Verne.
So perhaps the ride should have been cranked up a little, maybe the effects needed tweaking... But there was no sensible reason to take Jules Verne out of his attraction. And look what we have now; a mysteriously Victorian Discoveryland building housing a ride that aspires to be Tomorrowland. It's awful.
thats absolutely right- its an awkward fit thematically- its modern-futuristic, but launches out of a victorian-futuristic cannon
Quote from: "davidrsykes"Looking back to the old ride the scenery and theming inside the mountain were a bit lame (apart from the view from the queue) but on the ride itself, the asteroids were 2 dimensional, the UV painted wooden cutouts of characters from the book (presumably) and the basic slowly rotating projection of the moon at the climax of the ride is just so...... 90s!
The asteroids were all three dimensional props, some with fibre optic effects, Mission 2 uses the exact same ones but with the edges smoothed over for projection. Admittedly, the moon was fairly basic but it made a far better climax than the oh-so-dull supernova projection, particularly through the music. And the special effects were never the highlight of Space Mountain, it was the wonderful music and the atmosphere the ride created.
The trouble with Mission 2 is that it was designed to live or die by it's special effects alone and in the end that just gives something completely charmless, particularly when the effects are... I'm sorry to say, pretty rubbish.
Those disco ball stars that light up the mountain sides and all the interior structure were unconvincing in the '70s and are just an embarassment now. And the awful projection effects have all the depth of a UV painted cutout, but without any of the quirky charm. And the red vortex finale was certainly very impressive the first time you experienced it, but it shows the track in front of you as clear as daylight. It may seem irrelevent since you know you're on a rollercoaster anyway, but it's a prime example of having flashy effects at the expense of the storytelling, which Disney was never about.
The point is, the new theme could've been a great upgrade to the ride. However, it turned out to be a huge downgrade... Wether you like the new soundtrack or not, it doesn't really matter, because you barely can't hear the soundtrack at all. It either plays to soft or is broken. Personally I really miss the building up excitement the old soundtrack did when waiting for the launch in the cannon. But that's my opinion.
At some positions in the trains the ride is so rough, it makes for a bad ride experience. This is not a problem of Mission 2 though, it has been bumpy years before the 'upgrade'.
The queue used to have views on the ride. Closing this view and taking away the queue music makes the long hallway a boring experience. They tried to 'fix' this by putting some images of space related items on the walls.
Although the attraction still has a story, it feels less present to me.
If they could fix problems like the soundtrack and the bumpy track, it at least could've been a good ride.
Quote from: "Remco K."The queue used to have views on the ride. Closing this view and taking away the queue music makes the long hallway a boring experience. They tried to 'fix' this by putting some images of space related items on the walls.
Totally agree. Sigh.
Basically, they destroyed a perfectly good attraction that only needed a refurbishment just to have a marketing gimmick for a "gap year".
The good news, I suppose, is that when (read: if) the time comes for another refurbishment, they won't be able to destroy even more for something called "Mission 3" or "...Backwards!". Because that wouldn't sell. So all that's left to do now is fix things.
And they did eventually turn Indy back around! Who knows, maybe one day they'll be wise enough to replace the soundtrack. Or not.
I mis the old Space Mountain- de la Terre a la Lune aswell. It was my favourite ride at the Resort, but nowadays I don't ride it that often anymore. You know, there are some positive changes since they've introduced Mission 2. For example, the new ride instructions film in the queue area is far more fitting then the old one. Even enclosing the queue area wasnt such a bad move in my opinion since it never made sense to me why you could look into outerspace while waiting. Its a pity though that they've enclosed it in such a cheap way, even the posters don't fit the general feel of the attraction (by the way, did anyone notice the huge copyrights on the posters?!). I also miss the beautiful queue music loop with The Rockteer and Krull among other films.
I also mis the climax while reaching the moon and blasting off out of the Columbiad (thanks to the soundtrack). The soundtrack was such an essential part of the experience and it fitted the mood and atmopshere of the attraction so well. Personally I do like some of the new projections in the Mountain. Not every change they've made is bad. But I do miss the moon and 3 dimensional theming like the Blue Moon Mining Company sets.
In my opinion they ripped out the soul of this Disney classic. Its a shame.
I think my biggest issue with M2 is the awful queue line that now as zero atmosphere and the fact a scored mission to space is a gamble.
The score is a very exciting track, I do think it's a very good replacement BUT how many times have I ridden mission 2 in silence? It's the many times like this it becomes a standard roller coaster and not an adventure it should be.
SORT IT!
I want to add to all of my comments that I don't hate the Mission 2 ride music. I just don't like it on Space Mountain.
I could so totally accept a new ride (with a general space theme) in the current HISTA building featuring the Mission 2 ride music.
But the fact that they've replaced a piece of music that was... well, unreplaceable... I won't forgive them! ;)
I think the new music is crap, I really do. To this day, the original soundtrack sometimes gets in my head, like the Indiana Jones track does when you wonder why it did until you realize you heard the sound of a whip or opened a gate with a remote control. That's what good soundtracks do -- they nestle into your brain, ready at any given moment to revive a 20-year-old memory.
The new soundtrack is like a bad blockbuster movie you've completely forgotten the moment you leave the theater. It makes no impact, it might as well not be there at all. Which is frequently the case, actually.
I've felt more touched by the music they play in the Hyperion restrooms.
Quote from: "pussinboots"I think the new music is crap, I really do.
Possibly a little
too harsh, but it's your opinion.
I personally thought that they did loose a lot of the atmosphere when they changed the ride. You're right in saying it was a 'downgrade' rather than an upgrade. I think the new music's fantastic thought. It may not be the old track, which was still very good, but I think it's a really decent score. Did you know, it's written by the same guy who wrote the score the The Incredibles?? :D
dlrp-mad :mickey2:
i dont see what people have against the new one ? >.<
i mean, mission 1 was great but missions 2 is hardly rubbish not as good as 1 but still fun!
Quote from: "Nicholas-c"i dont see what people have against the new one ? >.<
i mean, mission 1 was great but missions 2 is hardly rubbish not as good as 1 but still fun!
Like you say, it isn't as good as the old Space Mountain. Why should we settle with a downgrade, while this change from "De la Terre a la Lune" to Mission 2 wasn't even necessary? If you change a ride, it better be a true upgrade or at least on par with the original.
Although I miss virtually everything about the old attraction and I do like the red spiral at the end. The biggest travesty is the disappearance of that amazing score with strings and brass that took you on a new adventure. the new score (when it works) is forgettable. The loss of Le Terre au la Lune, Les Visionarium and the fire on the fountains took away the coolness of Discoveryland. It used to be my favorite land (with Frontierland coming second), but now it is a shadow of it's former self.
QuotePossibly a little too harsh, but it's your opinion.
I personally thought that they did loose a lot of the atmosphere when they changed the ride. You're right in saying it was a 'downgrade' rather than an upgrade. I think the new music's fantastic thought. It may not be the old track, which was still very good, but I think it's a really decent score. Did you know, it's written by the same guy who wrote the score the The Incredibles?? :D
dlrp-mad :mickey2:
The new music is fine... For a Space Ghost cartoon. It's not Victorian (like the building that houses the ride still is) and it's hardly "sweeping". So in the context of it all, knowing they threw away one of the best soundtracks ever for this doozie... The word "crap" comes to mind.
Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "Nicholas-c"i dont see what people have against the new one ? >.<
i mean, mission 1 was great but missions 2 is hardly rubbish not as good as 1 but still fun!
Like you say, it isn't as good as the old Space Mountain. Why should we settle with a downgrade, while this change from "De la Terre a la Lune" to Mission 2 wasn't even necessary? If you change a ride, it better be a true upgrade or at least on par with the original.
Thats true, they could of just closed it for a couple of weeks and re-painted replaced some parts etc but its free advertising isn't it ?
Quote from: "dlrp-mad"Did you know, it's written by the same guy who wrote the score the The Incredibles?? :D
Yes, I know. And I must say I really like the The Incredibles music. But now imagine they took the score from The Incredibles and put it under Snow White... ;)
Quote from: "Nicholas-c"Quote from: "Maarten"Quote from: "Nicholas-c"i dont see what people have against the new one ? >.<
i mean, mission 1 was great but missions 2 is hardly rubbish not as good as 1 but still fun!
Like you say, it isn't as good as the old Space Mountain. Why should we settle with a downgrade, while this change from "De la Terre a la Lune" to Mission 2 wasn't even necessary? If you change a ride, it better be a true upgrade or at least on par with the original.
Thats true, they could of just closed it for a couple of weeks and re-painted replaced some parts etc but its free advertising isn't it ?
You're right. From a financial perspective its a very smart move to present your most well known attraction as a revamped experience. But the problem is that Space Mountain: Mission 2 failed to bring its true mission to a good end (= attracting more vistors). Its just a pity that EuroDisney is in such a weak financial position, otherwise we probably still would be able to ride Space Mountain- de la Terre a la Lune.
This is one of the best vids i could find of on-ride Space Mountain: Mission 2
[youtube:1ajabsw1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoU8hVM04KY[/youtube:1ajabsw1]
Vids a little dark for me to answer my question but does the revamp of this ride still have a loop and a corkscrew in it?
We did the ride the year it first opened but not been back since and my bro won't do loops on coasters , wondered if they tamed it down any?
The ride system ie track layout and trains were not changed and are the same for M2.
The main changes for M2 were new soundtrack, new "effects/scenery" inside, repainted trains with I think a new sound system put in all to reflect the new story of the ride. Finally not forgetting you are now launched from a lower position in the cannon at the start of the ride.
Is it tamed down, no it should be just the same however because of the deterioration of the track the ride is much rougher and can be quite uncomfortable.
Quote from: "CJNorth"The ride system ie track layout and trains were not changed and are the same for M2.
The main changes for M2 were new soundtrack, new "effects/scenery" inside, repainted trains with I think a new sound system put in all to reflect the new story of the ride. Finally not forgetting you are now launched from a lower position in the cannon at the start of the ride.
Is it tamed down, no it should be just the same however because of the deterioration of the track the ride is much rougher and can be quite uncomfortable.
Well i heard there is a speed difference with the new launch position and the old one, but probably only 2 or 3 kilometers per hour faster than Mission 1.
BIG NEWS:
Well if you go on Mission2, the sound system seems to have been fixed on all trains, as this weekend every ride the music worked and loudly, even from the station, which I have not even heard before :D .
Wooohooo, fantastic news, lets hope they stay this way though :) =D>
Quote from: "Patrick"BIG NEWS:
Well if you go on Mission2, the sound system seems to have been fixed on all trains, as this weekend every ride the music worked and loudly, even from the station, which I have not even heard before :D .
That's brilliant! :D I'm glad to see that they actually care about the music - It didn't seem that way for a while. I hope it stays working for November. [-o<
QuoteThat's brilliant! :D I'm glad to see that they actually care about the music - It didn't seem that way for a while. I hope it stays working for November. [-o<
Actually, the sound was fixed every evening, but stopped working almost immediately the next day because the new sound system they installed in 2005 couldn't handle the roughness of the Vekoma coaster.
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteThat's brilliant! :D I'm glad to see that they actually care about the music - It didn't seem that way for a while. I hope it stays working for November. [-o<
Actually, the sound was fixed every evening, but stopped working almost immediately the next day because the new sound system they installed in 2005 couldn't handle the roughness of the Vekoma coaster.
The case is just that the trains have had it's time. I think Disney should have replaced them with the M2 update, newer trains that are now used are much smoother and more comfortable than the trains that we're used in Mission 1's time.
You're absolutely right. The make-over was too limited in 2005. However, they can't keep this trains for a lot more years... Can they?
Quote from: "Kristof"You're absolutely right. The make-over was too limited in 2005. However, they can't keep this trains for a lot more years... Can they?
Well they can for a few years but after that i think even Disney knows it needs new trains, new trains take a long time to create though, and the ride would have at least to be closed some time for testing. If i had been Disney i had given it a bigger update, for instance the queue should have been maybe updated to a similiar space style queue like the DL version and although i think Giachino did a great job on the soundtrack i think it should have been a full ride soundtrack instead of starting after the launch and maybe some computer sounds and stuff inside the cannon. I still have a feeling that Disney rushed the 2.0 update for Space. maybe they should have extended the rehab through the winter of 2004, that would've given them more time to improve the ride.
The Corscrew at Alton Towers (Vekoma again) is due for a train change due to the roughness. So costly infact, I believe the whole ride is for the chop next year. HOWEVER, This will not be the case`with SMM2!
So, what have they done? If the music works for every 'adventure', what has been done differently? This is indeed awesome to hear tho.
Quote from: "Fever"The Corscrew at Alton Towers (Vekoma again) is due for a train change due to the roughness. So costly infact, I believe the whole ride is for the chop next year. HOWEVER, This will not be the case`with SMM2!
I beleive the trains for corkscrew aren't even proper vekoma trains, they are addapted arrow trains because Alton Towers didn't want to spend money on new trains, this counts for its roughness...and then you have the matter of age.
But yes the ride is rumoured to be going as early as the end of this season!
I just pray for the day vekoma make a train where ALL the wheels touch the track lol :roll: Oh and change the restraints!
I just read something, i don't know exactly if it is true. Space Mountain's refurb this month is a little different from the others, the first thing you'll notice is that it is longer than the standard cable change rehabs we usually get but there is black corkscrew coaster track at the Vekoma factory in the Netherlands, this is the same track type as Space Mountain, from the source it seems the track parts are marked to be sent to France, so this could mean Space Mountain is getting some track parts replaced, this month. Not quite sure but it does sound possible. Does anyone know if it is possible to ride the coaster with the lights on early in the morning or is this something only a cast member can do?
Quote from: "mehdi5"I just read something, i don't know exactly if it is true. Space Mountain's refurb this month is a little different from the others, the first thing you'll notice is that it is longer than the standard cable change rehabs we usually get but there is black corkscrew coaster track at the Vekoma factory in the Netherlands, this is the same track type as Space Mountain, from the source it seems the track parts are marked to be sent to France, so this could mean Space Mountain is getting some track parts replaced, this month. Not quite sure but it does sound possible. Does anyone know if it is possible to ride the coaster with the lights on early in the morning or is this something only a cast member can do?
It would be fantastic news if it is, and I really hope this is true. Space Mountain (almost :wink: ) back to it's former glory. People would be able to ride it enjoy it as an outstanding ride, without having to complain about coming off with headaches, etc. Does anyone have any more information on this? :)
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"It would be fantastic news if it is, and I really hope this is true. Space Mountain (almost :wink: ) back to it's former glory. People would be able to ride it enjoy it as an outstanding ride, without having to complain about coming off with headaches, etc. Does anyone have any more information on this? :)
Well the shaking is down to the cars, not the track
Quote from: "Nicholas-c"Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"It would be fantastic news if it is, and I really hope this is true. Space Mountain (almost :wink: ) back to it's former glory. People would be able to ride it enjoy it as an outstanding ride, without having to complain about coming off with headaches, etc. Does anyone have any more information on this? :)
Well the shaking is down to the cars, not the track
Well it is mostly because of the wheels, i think if Disney is aware that this is one of the problem causers they could easily change it during the rehab. I'll try to find out of the track news is true, i'm heading near Vlodorp soon anyway, this is where Vekoma is located, but i think this is pretty much a waterproof story. I can't promise any pictures of the tracks though.
It's wildly known within the theme park community that vekoma's aren't the smoothest rides in the world. New Vekoma track is getting better though compared with 1995.
I would also presume that 4 days isn't enough time to change an inversion. Especially when we are talking about 2 huge pieces of metal.
Look at this (//http://bp3.blogger.com/_OO7WbmARD08/Rjo13yBAp3I/AAAAAAAAA4w/YcZPg56B9Zo/s1600-h/photo+14-.jpg) picture, it would be a huge amount of work to get the track out of building, nevermind avoiding the rest of the track.
Photo: http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com (//http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2007/05/ll.html)
Quote from: "Willow"It's wildly known within the theme park community that vekoma's aren't the smoothest rides in the world. New Vekoma track is getting better though compared with 1995.
I would also presume that 4 days isn't enough time to change an inversion. Especially when we are talking about 2 huge pieces of metal.
Look at this (//http://bp3.blogger.com/_OO7WbmARD08/Rjo13yBAp3I/AAAAAAAAA4w/YcZPg56B9Zo/s1600-h/photo+14-.jpg) picture, it would be a huge amount of work to get the track out of building, nevermind avoiding the rest of the track.
Photo: http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com (//http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2007/05/ll.html)
They're just small parts, replacing a few meters of track could very well be possible, completing complete coaster tracks takes less time than it use to, so replacing a few meters wouldn't be much of a problem. However i don't think the track that would be made now isn't any different than the current track, the track Space Mountain and RNRC use almost isn't made anymore since Vekoma is using a new type of track on they're newer coasters.
Was on Space Moutain on Wednesday and Thursday this week and the first ride was possibly the roughest ride I've ever had out of the 108 coasters I've been on. I guess it was that specific train as my ride on thursday was rough but not as bad. I was dreading the corkscrew after the previous bits of the ride were already painful.
Also on Thursday Space Mountain was having a lot of technical difficulties. Whilst in the queue the ride was stopped often as you could hear the "Attention space travellers your journey has been trapped by a meteorite" announcement.
Once I had finally got to station I boarded the train but once all the restaints got closed they opened again and we all got told to leave and stand back in the queue.
Finally the ride got opened again after a long wait but it continued breaking down all day.
Oh, that's not good to hear :(!
I don't understand all those breakdowns, Crush, Space Mountain etc... everyone's talking about broken down rides or missing effects, what's wrong with DLRP?! I really hope they can fix it till November/December [-o<
Quote from: "Nala_84"Oh, that's not good to hear :(!
I don't understand all those breakdowns, Crush, Space Mountain etc... everyone's talking about broken down rides or missing effects, what's wrong with DLRP?! I really hope they can fix it till November/December [-o<
I dont understand them either, i only had SM music missing once on my 7 day visit
Quote from: "Nala_84"Oh, that's not good to hear :(!
I don't understand all those breakdowns, Crush, Space Mountain etc... everyone's talking about broken down rides or missing effects, what's wrong with DLRP?! I really hope they can fix it till November/December [-o<
Big Thunder Mountain was also down all day on Wednesday.
Pirates also opened late on Wednesday due to technical difficulties.
when i was in disneyland on a three day trip in late september this year, Space mountain was closed the whole time :cry: , but wasn't so bad, everything else was working as normal as far as i've seen and experienced
its just a sad fact of any theme park that rides do and will brake down just one of the avoidable things!
When I was in disney for 7 nights, 3 rides broke down! (RNRRC, BTM, PM)
Well when I go to DLRP in 3 weeks time, I'm going to try it out for the first time, yes you heard correctly....The First Time.. :oops: :mrgreen:
It's one of those rides that all the family won't go on for whatever reason, it'll be the same for TOT, but if I can I'm gonna give them both a shot.. :D/
I came across this Youtube footage, not sure if it's been posted before, it probably has, but it's got me intrigued now after watching it, aswell as more knowledgeable about the ride's operations in general >> :wink:
[youtube:30ubrmaj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZm0SMZLjPo[/youtube:30ubrmaj]
Thanks for sharing the video Javey. Wow, even Buzz Aldrin gave it the thumbs up :) 8)
Technologically in 1995 Space Mountain was huge. Onboard speaker systems using Flash drives that until a few years ago many people had never even heard of.
Most rollercoaster manufacturers don't even offer on-board sound in 2009!
The ride was many years ahead of its time, even not taking into account when they started development of the ride (1988?).
I love it!
Quote from: "Willow"Most rollercoaster manufacturers don't even offer on-board sound in 2009!
Well the on-board soundtrack deal is more of a design deal, most coasters have normal cars without audio because overall for outdoor coasters for most of them there isn't a big ask for it, like for instane parks like Six Flags and Busch gardens are the biggest customers, though they're just about the coasters, because most of them don't have a distinctive theme, with a few exceptions from Busch Gardens etc. So they keep the train designs minimal and suitable for every coaster, but of course new cars are designed for coasters if the customer requests it, with pre-installed sound program or without, for instance Space Mountain if i remember the trains we're made by Vekoma in the Netherlands, and the sound system was installed by another factory or put in by Disney, same goes for the Rock 'n' Rollercoaster, could be wrong though. But for instance Maurer offers a sound system on they're X-Car vehicles, think Vekoma does the same with the MK900 coasters but i don't remember. Though i have to agree Space Mountain was very much ahead of it's time, and more coasters should feature soundtracks if you ask me.
Quote from: "Willow"The ride was many years ahead of its time, even not taking into account when they started development of the ride (1988?).
I think it started somewhere round 1991 or 1992, for DLTALL i think since Space Mountain in the concept stages in 1988 was the DLR version of Space Mountain until they dropped Tomorrowland for Discoveryland.
Hope you had fun on Space Mountain, Javey :)
The real reason I posted here is that I found 2 other videos from that same program about Space Mountain, and thought it best to show them here rather than in a new thread.
Indiana Jones et le Temple du Peril (this one is interesting since it covers the design changes they had to make to get it going backward)
[youtube:1ocjwxh6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDXrCe4IYAc[/youtube:1ocjwxh6]
Big Thunder Mountain (this one... isn't so interesting)
[youtube:1ocjwxh6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJk9cdKYuY[/youtube:1ocjwxh6]
What great videos! Thanks for posting Agent Lex!
Just heard Space Mountain has been closed until saturday as its broken again, has anyone got any idea why and what is going wrong???????
Willow posted a photo of a model of Space Mountain. I just want to point out that the track layout shown in that photo is NOT what was actually built. There's way too much track. The real layout of Space Mountain, what they really did build, is quite a bit simpler than that.
(//http://www.imgdash.com/uploads/3dfbe_DLP%20-%20Space%20Mountain%20Track%20Plan.jpg)
Quote from: "smurfy74"Just heard Space Mountain has been closed until saturday as its broken again, has anyone got any idea why and what is going wrong???????
Yeah it's been down since last Saturday. When i asked a CM when was it opening (this was on saturday during EMH, i know though there was something wrong) all i got was "*shurgs* there's been a technical fault."
to have it closed for a week in high season is a bad thing, we had it brake down at the end of june when we were there, wonder what wrong???
Good news everybody! tonight it has been "testing" by the looks of it, was sitting in discoveryland and every 3-4 mins a car would go up the canon, either they are making a big mess inside and crashing and piling up or it works :P
any news about the re-opening?
we're going on august 6th and we definitely want to ride SM:M2!!!! it's our favourite! if it's close it's going to be such a big dissapointment!!!!
Whilst they try to fix it, I'm hoping they're making it a smoother, more comfortable ride too. But I ain't gonna hold my breath. That would mean spending extra money.
Rather than fixing the track, or the wheels on the trains, if they simply replaced the Other The Shoulder (OTS) restraints with a modern-style waist restraint, the ride would be SO much more comfortable.
It's your head banging from side to side, between the bars of the OTS, that makes the ride so unpleasant and painful.
I mean, the Indiana Jones Adventure at Disneyland is a VERY bumpy ride. Your upper body and head are swinging and bouncing all over the place. But you don't really notice it, or should I say feel it, while you're on the ride, because you don't have 2 massive restraints either side of your head.
For me, it's actually my left shoulder being banged against the harness and the side of the car. I wish I had taken a picture of the bruise I got after SM2
Vekoma cars are terrible. They are getting better these days though.
I like OTSRs, just not the Vekoma versions.
Quote from: "Willow"Vekoma cars are terrible. They are getting better these days though.
I like OTSRs, just not the Vekoma versions.
The newer Vekoma cars are very comfortable, especially the new looping-coaster ones, i was luclucky enough in Italy where they installed them on an older coaster.
New restraints for SMM2 are no option with these trains, mainly because the main body is built for this type of restraint, so the train would have to be replaced with new trains that support the new restraints. Don't think that will be happening any time soon though, most coaster trains easily hold up 20 years before even considering to be replaced, though there are some exceptions, i study these things so yeah lol :P Though there haven't been any OTSR with the new restraints from Vekoma yet, but the replacement of the trains at the ride really should be a priority for DLP.
Quote from: "mehdi5"Quote from: "Willow"Vekoma cars are terrible. They are getting better these days though.
I like OTSRs, just not the Vekoma versions.
The newer Vekoma cars are very comfortable, especially the new looping-coaster ones, i was luclucky enough in Italy where they installed them on an older coaster.
New restraints for SMM2 are no option with these trains, mainly because the main body is built for this type of restraint, so the train would have to be replaced with new trains that support the new restraints. Don't think that will be happening any time soon though, most coaster trains easily hold up 20 years before even considering to be replaced, though there are some exceptions, i study these things so yeah lol :P Though there haven't been any OTSR with the new restraints from Vekoma yet, but the replacement of the trains at the ride really should be a priority for DLP.
I haven't had the opportunity to try out the new Vekoma trains yet, I have heard good reviews for them. It would be a worthwhile investment for Disney to buy new trains.
The Vekoma of 1995 is vastly different to the Vekoma of 2009, they have really improved in the last few years.
Sorry, Forgot to update! Yeah, it was open again on Thursday, as bumpy as ever ;) :P
On the current topic... Rnrc is vekoma i think... Why not replace SM With that track and cars? :P sooo much smoother, rnrc is smooth and comfortable compared to sm, Keep current launch system tho, old fashion cable is the best ;)
Quote from: "Willow"The Vekoma of 1995 is vastly different to the Vekoma of 2009, they have really improved in the last few years.
Agreed, plus the track now used is also changed, SMM2 and RNRC's track isn't they're track type anymore, they're going for a more B&M approach with Hyper Coasters, new Flyers and of course new standard loop coasters. SMM2 only needs the trains replaced though, and maybe a bit polishing up of the launch system, renew some parts of it and stuff. If SMM2 was going to get a big refurb i'd have a few priorities for the ride.
1. Renew the trains to the newer models.
2. Renew the launch system, current method is okay though.
3. Fix all broken effects.
4. Adjust the lighting/star projection in the dome, it is currently way too bright in the dome and just doesn't cut the pitch black space feeling.
Here's a picture of the new trains for those who haven't seen it.
(//http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9696/normalnewvekomatrains.jpg) (//http://img440.imageshack.us/i/normalnewvekomatrains.jpg/)
I tried them out in Italy in Gardaland, the restraints are a bit wider and have a bit less pressure on the body area, thus making it a bit more comfortable, they're a lot smoother on ride also.
I was thinking about the soundtrack though, it isn't that M2's score is bad, but just that the new Incredibles-style music isn't as epic as the full-orchestra version Steve Bransom did, maybe they should've let Hans Zimmer do it, he worked on the Pirates of the Caribbean films, but his style of scores really would've added to the ride.
Exactly, the The Grand Gongda Jianguo Hotel. That's really what Space Mountain needs. A hotel built on the side of it. Genius.
Agreed, i don't know how the Imagineers haven't thought of this already! :lol: :P
i damn damn <3 space mountain mission 2!!! :mrgreen:
Didn't think this was worth a new topic.....
Tim Delaney has done an interview with The Season Pass Podcast, in Part 2 he discusses:
QuoteEpisode 115 continues the Three Part Journey with the recent Vice President of Creative Design and Executive Designer for Walt Disney Imagineering Tim Delaney. During this discussion Tim dives into the creation of Disneyland Paris, more specifically Discoveryland. We also get deep into the ENTIRE creative process for Disneyland Paris' most ambitious and popular attraction Space Mountain. This episode is filled with great WDI creative history: A Can't Miss! Enjoy. ;)
Link (//http://seasonpasspodcast.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=588163)
Haven't had time to have a listen lately, sounds like it could be interesting.
Thanks for the great link. At the moment I'm downloading the podcast on itunes. Can't wait to listen to it.
I like the fact they just let him speak and it all spills out... great listen.
He says "I think they're bringing Captain EO back", so must not hear much DLP news (they're not).
I believe a certain someone got a message from him recently, congratulating him on some "Photos Magiques" of Discoveryland...
I'm listening to it right now, it's great so far. I love Tim Delaney, he's got so many great stories to tell!
I wish "the hole in the wallet gang" would get together and write a book... Very funny when he said the French officials were just "expecting carnival tents or something" and then they got there. haha
Someone should sit down current Euro Disney SCA/TWDC management and force them to listen to this.
Quote from: "Anthony"Someone should sit down current Euro Disney SCA/TWDC management and force them to listen to this.
Couldn't agree with you more Anthony! We need a team full of "Tim Delaneys" in DLP management and design once again.
It's such a pleasure to listen to Tim Delaney. WDI really needs more imagineers like him or Tony Baxter. They should send both to DLRP so that they can see all the mess that happened in the last years. Maybe they could rework WDS.
I think Tim will not like Buzz Lightyear, because the building facade doesn't really fit into Discoveryland. Nevertheless I like the attraction, but the facade should have been kept in golden colours instead the white and grey colours.
I agree - this is a really good podcast and they really need more imagineers like Tim Delaney!!
Did anyone manage to find the picture of the painting of the discoveryland castle they were talking about?
Quote from: "jsygirlheartsdisney"I agree - this is a really good podcast and they really need more imagineers like Tim Delaney!!
Did anyone manage to find the picture of the painting of the discoveryland castle they were talking about?
Here it is...
(//http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i195/luke7059/photo13quatro.jpg)
This building looks really cool, but I'm glad that we got the traditional castle. By the way the most beautiful Disney building ever built!!
Quote from: "dagobert"By the way the most beautiful Disney building ever built!!
Yes it is :D
Quote from: "never2old"Quote from: "dagobert"By the way the most beautiful Disney building ever built!!
Yes it is :D
I third that!
I've just listened this great podcast to the end. So it looks that TWDC financed SM completly on its own. There is no word that the money came from Euro Disney SCA. Did TWDC have more influence on the whole park in the early days. Why doesn't TWDC finance any attractions anymore?
When you listen to this podcast it makes you really angry about TSPL. As Delaney said, SM was a restart for the whole resort and attendance went up. So SM is the perfect example that only well done attractions really help to improve the resort.
as far as i remember TWDC loaned the money to build all the attractions for the 15th anniversary - TOT, Crush, Cars, BLYLB
Thanks for informing us Willow.
Wow, what a great interview. I can't wait to hear part 3. Fascinating stuff.
Hey, one thing I just noticed. Tim worked on Radiator Springs Racers, the massive e-ticket they're currently building over at Disney's California Adventure! Here's a photo of him working on the model. What a great last project to put your name on, before leaving Imagineering:
(//http://orlandosentinel.image2.trb.com/orlnews/media/photo/2009-09/49189454.jpg)
Quote from: "Alan"Thanks for informing us Willow.
Wow, what a great interview. I can't wait to hear part 3. Fascinating stuff.
Hey, one thing I just noticed. Tim worked on Radiator Springs Racers, the massive e-ticket they're currently building over at Disney's California Adventure! Here's a photo of him working on the model. What a great last project to put your name on, before leaving Imagineering.
Will Tim Delaney retire after the DCA makeover is finished. Did he mention this in the podcast? I must have missed this.
I don't want to imagine what will happen to WDI after Tim and Tony Baxter retired.
Apparently Tim left Imagineering in late 2009. It's unclear whether he was fired, or just decided to retire.
Anyone know how old he is? I can imagine him being somewhere between 55 and 60.
I can't imagine that he was fired, he was one of the best imagineers, but who knows. Dick Cook was also fired in replaced by this stupid grinning guy.
Regarding the "looks and feels" of Space Mountain. I was rather positively impressed about the state of Space Mountain last time I was there (a few weeks ago), compared with about a year before.
OK; it was down (together with the rest of Discoveryland) the first time I tried to visit it. :).
But I actually really enjoyed riding it this visit:
- I didn't bang my head that much.
- The sound was working decently every time I rode it.
- To me it looked like it was a lot darker inside than on my last visit, which improves many of the effects. (Or maybe my eyes were just less sensitive, but I wasn't the only one who noticed this.).
- The recoil and smoke effects of the cannon were working most of the time. One time I saw a lot of oil oozing out of it alongside the sides, it didn't really look like it was supposed to do. Afterward the effect was down for the rest of the day, so that might have explained it.
- The supernova projection was actually working and looking OK.
- All other effects I know of seemed to be operational too.
Something which is a bit difficult to judge, but in my opinion, a ride in the morning feels a lot rougher than one in the afternoon. Maybe this has something to do with the warming up of the track and trains, but it might also be just in my head :).
PS: What did they do with that BIG boom they used to have way back in 1995 and a few years on?
The third part of the conversation with Tim Delaney is available on itunes. It is also very interesting to listen.
Does someone know what Tim is doing at the moment, since he left or had to leave WDI last year? He didn't mention anything in the conversation.
Visiting http://www.photosmagiques.com (http://www.photosmagiques.com"%20onclick="window.open(this.href);return%20false;) for his portfolio... :P
I agree - This is a really good podcast and they really need more inagineers like Tim Delaney!!
This building looks really cool, But I'm glad that we got the traditional castle. By the way the most beautiful Disney building ever built!!
The official Disneyland Paris YouTube channel has posted this little featurette about the Mission 2 music. I don't think I've seen it before:
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It's quite nice, I've seen most of it before in Disney Filmparade (German) on youtube, with a space mountain special :)
I also saw this episode of Disney Filmparade
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It was really surprising me when i saw this...in the ride(as far as i could remember) it didnt sound orcastral at all
Quote from: "Kristof"The official Disneyland Paris YouTube channel has posted this little featurette about the Mission 2 music. I don't think I've seen it before:
[youtube:y4t22j64]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51se1XnzznY[/youtube:y4t22j64]
I know many folks prefer the theme and feel of SM1 but the soudtrack of SM2 when played loudly is excellent. Those strings at the start make the hair stand on the back of my neck!
Eventually manged to track down a download of the music last year and it now plays proudly as my phone's ringtone
Thanks Kristof. Great video that I hadn't seen before.
I wonder if Michael Giacchino actually heard the Steve Bramson score before writing his own? From the way he talks about Space Mountain, it sounds like he doesn't realise the ride already had music.
As posted on Café Mickey:
They've removed ALL the water from Discoveryland to everything up:
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The Nautilus:
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And after they cleaned everything up:
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The pool looks great now and I could probably jump right into it after today's hot weather.
They really should've taken the opportunity to fix the bubbling water effect though.
^ There's so much at DLP they could improve...
But I'm not so sure they did NOT fix that effect, 'cause I've not been to DLP since 2007 :cry:
I used to love Space Mountain but i always come off the ride with a headache.
Compared to other rollercoasters, you're thrown around alot more on Space Mountain but other rides you are tucked in more to the seat itself.
Diseny need to revamp the cars then i will be back!!!
QuoteCompared to other rollercoasters, you're thrown around alot more on Space Mountain
Since when was travelling through space a smooth ride? :P
When the ride first opened many years ago, it never threw you around that much Martyn.
I just found out that Space Mountain is closed for 2 days in July. On 20 and 21nd. Why??????????????? I am there at that time, and I thought in summer there are no refurbishments?????????????
Quote from: "nemo1981"I just found out that Space Mountain is closed for 2 days in July. On 20 and 21nd. Why??????????????? I am there at that time, and I thought in summer there are no refurbishments?????????????
SMM2 has a few days(i think it was 4, 2 at a time) where they close it to replace the launch cable, so it's pretty much the same thing every year, if i remember correctly ;)
If Disney were to replace all of the trains on Space Mountain: Mission 2 with completely new ones, would it finally run smoothly again? Or is the roughness problem not that simple to solve?
Quote from: "Alan"If Disney were to replace all of the trains on Space Mountain: Mission 2 with completely new ones, would it finally run smoothly again? Or is the roughness problem not that simple to solve?
Quite possibly, they'd have to get trains with other wheel adjustments. The current trains were originally made for Discovery Mountain i believe, so they had to get the wheels adjusted so they could take sharper turns. But even if they replace them they can't be a 100% certain it will run completely smooth again, and eventually every aging coaster gets a bit rough so at a certain point it's just the ride's age.
If SMM2 would ever get a full update again(like with it's 20th anniversary or something) i think they'd have to redo the track, like DL did with their Space Mountain a few years back. If they'd want to get a fully smooth ride again i guess.
I'm at the park in just over a week now and was wondering where is the smoothest place to sit on SM?
I'm going with a friend who wants to go on it, but I'd hate for them to be put off or be stopped from riding the rest of the day due to a headache or whatever.
@James6
I believe the middle of the train is the smoothest place to sit, because coaster tracks are designed around the middle of the train. The experience is optimum in the middle.
If I were you, I'd ride Space Mountain last thing at night. If you go on it in the morning, and you get a headache, or get your head smashed around, or your knees bruised, it could ruin the rest of your day in the park.
Having said that, roller coasters run slower in the morning when their wheels are cooler :-)
Ah ok :D Thanks for the advice, will decide when there, especially as it's part of EMH.
Thanks again :P
I find sitting at the front the worst.
If i ever ride again I will try the middle.
You're all a bunch of pansie's :P
SMM2 is pretty rough when you compare it to the very similar RnRC, but nothing in comparison to old Corkscrew at Alton. Now THAT was rough. :D
I find with SMM2 as long as you sit 'properly' it's not too bad. I also think it depends on height as to what you bash - I'm quite small and ended up battering my shoulders far more than my head.
okay this is gonna be an odd question haha! Does the saftey restrain come down automatically over your head or do you pull it down yourself? haha very odd question i know but i sometimes get obsessed over little things like that especially as its gonna be my first coaster rides when i go in a couple of weeks! haha!.
How much do you get thrown about i'm very petite? will it be worse for me?
You have to pull it down yourself, then the CMs walk through the train checking they're locked in place. I get fairly thrown around and I'm 5'11". You might want to hold on tight... ;)
Quote from: "fly_with_me_dumbo"okay this is gonna be an odd question haha! Does the saftey restrain come down automatically over your head or do you pull it down yourself? haha very odd question i know but i sometimes get obsessed over little things like that especially as its gonna be my first coaster rides when i go in a couple of weeks! haha!.
How much do you get thrown about i'm very petite? will it be worse for me?
One thing you can do is brace yourself properly. The restraints have metal bars on them that you can hold. If you hold them properly, you can push yourself down in the seat. Also ensure you keep your head well back.
I must say I was really dissapointed with SM :( The theming in the building looked incredible, it's just a shame the awful restraint's stopped me enjoying it. In fact on my ride, we were the only people on the train and we still chose not to re-ride.
If the restraint's didn't ruin it, it could have been incredible. But it is strange, talking to others that day, not everyone is affected and it's very body size dependent it seems.
how much does your head get thrown about?
and also how bad are the loops do you actually realise that much?
and james6, how did the restraints spoil it for you?
It's hard to describe really, but it's dependant on your height. For example I'm quite tall so my head didn't actually get bashed at all, it's my shoulders that got murdered and I've still got the bruises to prove it. The loops, you know when your upside down but no you don't realise that much.
And they spoilt it because, as I am tall, I was only held in on my shoulders, the restraint's were really hard and because of my height, the rest of the restraint was nowhere near body, therefore at any point on the ride with any force, it pushed down even further and clamped my shoulders.
Like I say it's body size dependant, and with restraint's that were suitable for those that are taller it'd be an amazing ride.
I think i must be the perfect height because out of the 10 + times ive rode SM:M2 over the past 3 years ive found it wild yes, but have never hurt myself.
i love this ride i never have the problem of feeling pain when im on it.... but then im quite short (only 5"2) =] got to admit i have bumped my head a cupple of times on the more rough parts of the ride, but nothing substantial, to be honest i find indiana jones more painful than this ride....
I rode it on Tuesday and it was probably the smoothest I've ever felt it. Rode it on Wednesday and today and it was rough as ever. It really does suffer in comparison with RnRC. I'm not entirely sure that the restraints can be blamed though, it's simply the ride itself.
I managed to avoid battering my head by bracing well but did really whack my elbow one.
yeah.... i guess each ride would vary.... and you rode it today? are you home... or are you in disney.... with internet access?
ps. hope your elbow is ok =]
I was there Tuesday to Thursday and got home yesterday evening. I only live in Ashford so it's simply the Eurostar journey for me :)
Elbow is fine thanks. I think I whacked a nerve because my whole arm was hurting on Wednesday which fortunately fixed itself after a night's rest.
Quote from: "claire2281"I was there Tuesday to Thursday and got home yesterday evening. I only live in Ashford so it's simply the Eurostar journey for me :)
Elbow is fine thanks. I think I whacked a nerve because my whole arm was hurting on Wednesday which fortunately fixed itself after a night's rest.
aah, lucky XD i wish i lived closer to disney lols =] and good to hear your elbow is ok =]
Quote from: "claire2281"I only live in Ashford so it's simply the Eurostar journey for me :)
Snap! I love living near Ashford International :D I'm once again looking forward to going on Space Mountain... Its been a year and a half since I've been on since last september I was pregnant so couldnt ride :(
I don't know if anyone picked up on this before, but I was re-listening to Tim Delaney's interview on the Season Pass Podcast, from March 2010.
He said something funny towards the end. He said Michael Eisner "sent me a note back saying, thanks for saving Disneyland Paris. But I was like, hey this envelope is empty, where's the rest of that?" :-)
Obviously a whole team of Imagineers worked on Space Mountain. But if Tim Delaney hadn't had the vision and the enthusiasm to create that attraction back in 1995, who knows what Disneyland Paris would be like today. Would the park even still be in business?
Some more interesting facts:
Space Mountain had a huge affect on attendance at Disneyland Paris. The park went from having 8.5 million visitors per year, to having over 11 million!
Space Mountain was actually built under budget. It cost $89.7 million to build, but the budget was $90 million.
It definately needs more people like Tim Delaney and an CEO like Michael Eisner in his first 10 years at Disney to make DLP amazing again. Eisner added more than $100 Mio on DLP to save the resort. The current leadership is wasting money instead of creating something big that will really attract people to the resort. SM is the best proof that people are more attracted by great themed attractions. I really hope that the Imagineers will learn that again. It doesn't need characters or movie as a background for the attraction.
Back in that time the Imagineers wanted to try something new, that nobody has done before. Today they buy off the shelf attractions, add some characters and theming and that's it. Disney, please bring back Tim and let him fix Discoveryland and the whole resort!
Alan, there is also a great interview with Bob Gurr, a former Imagineer who had already worked with Walt, on the Season Pass. The other two parts with Tim Delaney are also very interesting. The first part is about EPCOT and the third part is about DCA and HKDL.
I think Tim actually said that the whole second-phase of Disneyland Park (from 1993-1995) had a budget of around $200 million, of which more than half was spent on Discoveryland for Space Mountain, the Nautilus and the Discoveryland Station.
I think Imagineers today still want to try something new, but it's the CEOs and upper management that are reducing their scope. The rules are stricter, the budgets are smaller, and there isn't as much freedom for them to take creative risks.
Yes, the Season Pass podcast has some other excellent interviews with other attraction designers. I haven't listened to the Bob Gurr episode yet, but I've listened to the Barry Braverman, Rick Rothschild and John Wardley episodes. It's all fascinating stuff.
A small shelter has been added for CM's at the entrance:
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I used to love Space Mountain but i don't ride it anymore.
On my previous 2 visits, i went on Space Mountain but it has always been rough. So rough that i've encountered bad headaches after having my head thrown around. Even though i kept my head back against the back of the seat, my head was still thrown around.
Until they improve this ride, i will be staying away from it. My sister feels the same and she's an adrenaline junkie.
Yep, I totally agree. I don't bother riding Space Mountain anymore either. When you're supposed to be having a great day out, the last thing you want is a sore neck, or bruised ears, or bruised knees.
I actually hope Disney will change Space Mountain in the future, to make it less violent and more of a family ride. Currently it's a wasted attraction for a lot of people. It's the e-ticket that's not an e-ticket, because you don't want to ride it.
i think it would be best to make it a bit smoother.... but what do you mean by a family ride? like take out the loops etc. and make it a normal big dipper like the one in WDW? and this is something else that has been realllly confusing me... whats an e-ticket?
Quote from: "SwipatronSparks"and this is something else that has been realllly confusing me... whats an e-ticket?
Here's the answer. Dates back to the 1950s and it has its origins in Disneyland: //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_ticket :)
Summary from the link above:
(e-ticket) has referred to an unusually interesting, thrilling or expensive experience. It derives from the tickets used at Disneyland and Walt Disney World theme parks until 1982. Formally, Disney called them coupons, but they were commonly referred to as tickets, as they were generally purchased in ticket books (with admission). The tickets came in different denominations, from A through E, with E tickets being the most expensive and reserved for the newest, most expensive or popular rides and attractions.
Quote from: "SwipatronSparks"i think it would be best to make it a bit smoother.... but what do you mean by a family ride? like take out the loops etc. and make it a normal big dipper like the one in WDW? and this is something else that has been realllly confusing me... whats an e-ticket?
It would be nigh on impossible to remove the loops and to be honest you don't even know that you're going upside down when you're on the ride anyway. All that needs to be done to improve the experience is make it smoother. That alone would make it more family friendly. I think it may have something to do with the fact this is a Vekoma, which get rougher with time anyway; Corky at Alton :?:
Quote from: "Alan"Yep, I totally agree. I don't bother riding Space Mountain anymore either. When you're supposed to be having a great day out, the last thing you want is a sore neck, or bruised ears, or bruised knees.
I actually hope Disney will change Space Mountain in the future, to make it less violent and more of a family ride. Currently it's a wasted attraction for a lot of people. It's the e-ticket that's not an e-ticket, because you don't want to ride it.
I do agree that SM should be smoother, but I don't think that the track is the reason for being so bumpy. I think that the ride vehicles have to be changed or replaced by new ones.
What do you mean with a family ride? If SM has to be altered due to the roughness, I don't think that it will be more of a family ride. SM in Florida is a family ride, but SM in Paris will never be one due to the cork screws and loopings. In my opinion the ride shouldn't be changed that way. There is already BTM to cater the families.
SM still remains a great ride including the bumpyness. I still love it, even though I put my I-pod in with the original ride music from 'Terre de la Lune"...
Yes, as much as I love them, they do need to replace the trains. Vekoma now do a lapbar train which can invert safely:
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This would improve the Space Mountain experience greatly, however I feel that with the on-board sound system, they may look a bit ugly. Thats one thing I love about SM, and RnRC, the sound system in the trains is hidden so well, especially when you compare it to some of the newer on board systems:
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How ugly is that??
Also, the biggest problem is most probably cost. Not only will it cost loads to transfer the soundsystem etc, how many trains are there? 5, 6? I would imagine a set of new trains for SM would run well into the £millions.
I would love the lap bars instead of the shoulderbars, however the trains need to be themed way beter and that might provide extra room for onboard audio...
DLRP's Space Mountain is featured on the official Disney Parks Blog:
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This Day In Disney History: Space Mountain: Mission 2 blasts off
Space Mountain: Mission 2 debuted at Disneyland Paris in Marne-la-Vallée, France on April 9, 2005.
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The attraction originally opened as Space Mountain: De la Terre a la Lune in the Discoveryland area of the park June 1, 1995. It was re-imagined in time for the attraction's tenth anniversary in 2005, reopening as Space Mountain: Mission 2, complete with enhanced special effects and a new soundtrack.
The attraction at Disneyland Paris was the fourth of five Space Mountain attractions to open at Disney theme parks around the world. The first debuted at Magic Kingdom Park in 1975, then Disneyland in 1977, and Tokyo Disneyland in 1983. Hong Kong Disneyland has since added a Space Mountain in September 2005.
Quote from: "Topcat401965P"I used to love Space Mountain but i don't ride it anymore.
On my previous 2 visits, i went on Space Mountain but it has always been rough. So rough that i've encountered bad headaches after having my head thrown around. Even though i kept my head back against the back of the seat, my head was still thrown around.
Until they improve this ride, i will be staying away from it. My sister feels the same and she's an adrenaline junkie.
It would take a lot for me to decide not to ride Pace Mountain, I love it. I do agree though, it can be a bit jarring! However, RnRc I feel, is more so! My head banged so much against the restraints last time I rode it, I came off with a very severe migraine. Don't get me wrong, it wont stop me going on it in 2 weeks, but I will definatley brace myself and get the painkillers ready. Space Mountain is aging now, so maybe they should look into refurbing it, but I guess that would be a long way down the list of things to do!
I just read on micechat.com that Space Mountain isn't owned by ED SCA. According to member BeDay, SM is owned by Walt Disney Imagineering and is also payed for by WDI. DLRP leases SM from WDI.
Quote from: "gingajen"Quote from: "Topcat401965P"I used to love Space Mountain but i don't ride it anymore.
On my previous 2 visits, i went on Space Mountain but it has always been rough. So rough that i've encountered bad headaches after having my head thrown around. Even though i kept my head back against the back of the seat, my head was still thrown around.
Until they improve this ride, i will be staying away from it. My sister feels the same and she's an adrenaline junkie.
It would take a lot for me to decide not to ride Pace Mountain, I love it. I do agree though, it can be a bit jarring! However, RnRc I feel, is more so! My head banged so much against the restraints last time I rode it, I came off with a very severe migraine. Don't get me wrong, it wont stop me going on it in 2 weeks, but I will definatley brace myself and get the painkillers ready. Space Mountain is aging now, so maybe they should look into refurbing it, but I guess that would be a long way down the list of things to do!
I always have this problem of getting thrown about, usually taking the brunt of it on my left shoulder. But last time everything went fine. I dont know if they'd greased the track or if my position in the train was the solution. Will investigate it further in September, and hopefully get my wife onto it for the first time ever
I have listened to the podcast with former Imagineer Tim Delaney about creating Discoveryland and Space Mountain and he mentioned that a special for TV about building SM was made. So I searched YouTube for those videos and I found the video.
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If the moderators think that the topic would fit better into the weblinks section of the board, feel free to move it. I just thought that more people would watch the videos if they would be posted in the SM topic.
See, how clever was I to record that TV show 16 years ago? If I hadn't recorded it, nobody would be watching it now in 2011 :-)
Quote from: "Alan"See, how clever was I to record that TV show 16 years ago? If I hadn't recorded it, nobody would be watching it now in 2011 :-)
Did you put the videos on YouTube? Thanks a lot! :thumbs:
Are all videos released under DisneyParkVideos from you?
No no. I have nothing to do with DisneyParkVideos. But I think I was the only person that actually recorded Shoot For The Moon back in 1995. The file I originally uploaded has been shared around a lot, and has now ended up on YouTube.
Does anyone have any pictures or videos of the inside of the old SM entrance before it became the entrance for fastpasses? :)
Vekoma have produced another looping coaster train which accomodates an on board audio system. Its for the Speed of Sound Boomerang at Walbi World/Holland.
Maybe we should point that out to DLP.... ;)
And the new train for Walibi has new restraints that are a lot more comfortable. So trains like that would be a great addition for SM.
It's something to consider for Mission 3, then. :P
Ah yes, Space Mountain: Mission 3. Mission 2 actually brought some positive changes, such as the lower launching point in the cannon, and some of the lighting effects inside the mountain. But there's obviously still room for improvement. So I'd like to see Mission 3 contain:
• The return of Steve Bramson's excellent original soundtrack, from 1995
• All new trains (like those used on Speed of Sound) with these less restrictive, more comfortable restraints
• A return to the original Jules Verne victorian theming, with a pre-show video clearly set in the past (not at all futuristic)
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If there was a mission 3, I'd expect it to be a mission to Mars or Pluto (which is not a reference to that old MM joke :P ). Especially Mars, since we'll be going there in less than 50 years time.
Ooh those Speed of Sound trains look good. Much better than the silly old Vekoma bucket seats.
Personally I hope there's no true "Mission 3" but a reimagining that goes back to the original story as Alan says. The moon is a fantastic destination because it's truly within the Verne thinking - "Not impossible, just improbable". It's attainable, within our reach, and that I think actually makes it much more exciting than a supernova or Mars. It's ironic that Mission 2 came during a period of Imagineering where they (or perhaps management) self-consciously began to fret about everything needing to be "relevant" to the audience, as if the ten year period between 1995 and 2005 had suddenly seen a 130-year old novel become useless. Actually, the supernova and all that in Mission 2 isn't really relevant at all, but the moon is. Every single one of us sees it practically every day from our bedroom window!
It was when the balance tipped from improbable (Le Visionarium) to impossible (Buzz Lightyear) that Discoveryland lost its sense of direction. In fact, now that I think about it, maybe that's why I like the WALL-E statues but cringe more at Laser Blast with each day: WALL-E robots might actually happen. Toys having interplanetary battles in fictional gamma quadrants won't.
So yeah, bring back the bloody moon! And get us there without bruising. :-)
Actually, having the moon back as the destination would be pretty good. It shouldn't be exactly the same as before, of course. It would be good to see some new effects. :)
Let's brainstorm some potential names for the new attraction.
Here are some serious ones:
• Space Mountain: Return To The Moon
• Space Mountain: Back To The Moon
And here are some silly ones:
• Space Mountain: From The Earth Back To The Bloody Moon
• Space Mountain: Back To The Moon, Suckers
• Space Mountain: From The Earth To The Moon, Without Bruising
• Space Mountain: Now With Good Music Again
• Space Mountain: Jules Strikes Back
• Space Mountain: Revenge Of The Verne
Discovery Mountain.
I'd like that name. :)
How about:
• Space Mountain: This Time There's A Story
• Space Mountain: Now Less Hip And Edgy
• Space Mountain: Kindly On Loan From The Walt Disney Company
• Space Mountain: Mission 2 Minus 1
• Space Mountain: As It Was Meant To Be Seen
• Space Mountain: Featuring WALL-E!
• Discovery Mountain: Sod The Marketing Department, This Is What We Want To Call It
My serious one would be:
• Space Mountain: De la Terre à la Lune
With "De la Terre à la Lune" actually on the entrance marquee.
Quote from: "Anthony"Ooh those Speed of Sound trains look good. Much better than the silly old Vekoma bucket seats.
Personally I hope there's no true "Mission 3" but a reimagining that goes back to the original story as Alan says. The moon is a fantastic destination because it's truly within the Verne thinking - "Not impossible, just improbable". It's attainable, within our reach, and that I think actually makes it much more exciting than a supernova or Mars. It's ironic that Mission 2 came during a period of Imagineering where they (or perhaps management) self-consciously began to fret about everything needing to be "relevant" to the audience, as if the ten year period between 1995 and 2005 had suddenly seen a 130-year old novel become useless. Actually, the supernova and all that in Mission 2 isn't really relevant at all, but the moon is. Every single one of us sees it practically every day from our bedroom window!
It was when the balance tipped from improbable (Le Visionarium) to impossible (Buzz Lightyear) that Discoveryland lost its sense of direction. In fact, now that I think about it, maybe that's why I like the WALL-E statues but cringe more at Laser Blast with each day: WALL-E robots might actually happen. Toys having interplanetary battles in fictional gamma quadrants won't.
So yeah, bring back the bloody moon! And get us there without bruising. :-)
That´s exactly the point! They went away from improbable to impossible. It sounds quiet simple but it really describe their fault very well. I also want to see it going back to the moon again. The super nova thing doesn´t fit. And much of the effects...sorry...but they were dated on opening day of mission 2. Mission one with its heavy story line even don´t needed BIG effects to get the people thinking flying to the moon. It was a master piece of imagineering. I remember quiet well the disapointment when I first rode mission 2. Reflecting light on the show building ceiling. A bad screen showing an explosion. A red disco chain of lights (same we used for some garden party over here...). Really bad soundtrack. And that it was. I wasn´t in space anymore. I was clearly in a show building that could stayed somewhere else.
Hope we see Mission 1 one glory day again.
QuoteHope we see Mission 1 one glory day again.
That would be a dream come true :!:
Jules Verne and "De la terre à la lune" were just awesome...
I hope I'm wrong, but before we get "De La Terre a La Lune" back, we will see toons added to the ride.
Agreed, I remember a cast member friend of mine when Mission 2 relaunched, he knew I was at the opening at Space Mountain in 95, he loaded us in and said "stay behind when you get off". As we got off, he said "how was it". I said, rough still and raped. He laughed and then said "let's see if we can sort it for you". Every trip round, we would come back and he saved us a seat (it was at night and quite quiet), we got to try every seat config in the train (an hour of riding pretty much non stop). Still couldn't find the love. But it was amazing to ride so many times without queing.
Still, I want the original and Le Visionarium back. Discoveryland has lost it's heart and soul. So has a lot of Frontierland too. As well as Adventureland.
QuoteStill, I want the original and Le Visionarium back. Discoveryland has lost it's heart and soul. So has a lot of Frontierland too. As well as Adventureland.
I think you can already say the whole Disneyland Park has lost its soul. My heart is bleeding when I think back to how Disneyland once was and how it is today...
yep....same for all the other Disney parks around the globe too, though DLP has fallen the furthest.
Quote from: "Patrick89"I think you can already say the whole Disneyland Park has lost its soul. My heart is bleeding when I think back to how Disneyland once was and how it is today...
Unfortunately that's true and I wish I would have experienced the early years of DLRP.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"yep....same for all the other Disney parks around the globe too, though DLP has fallen the furthest.
In my opinion TDR shouldn't mentioned here, although the toons are invading the most beautiful themepark, too.
Is it ok if I share the "Disneyland Paris Space Mountain CD Promo" album here on this forum? It's a 20 track CD that Disney put together in 1995, presumably to help promote the new ride. It's not something that was ever sold.
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Well, since no-one replied to this post, I thought I'd post the link:
//http://www.mediafire.com/?x49fccn2123qcay
I found some really good Space Mountain videos, which I believe are quite rare. Go to this page and click on EBC - DLP07_52. Engineer Mike Kent gives you a guided tour of all the different parts of a Space Mountain train. They look really clean and well engineered, so god knows why they produce such a rough ride!
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Quote from: "Alan"Well, since no-one replied to this post, I thought I'd post the link:
//http://www.mediafire.com/?x49fccn2123qcay
Thanks!! It's great!!
Does anyone know how long it would take (or if it is even likely) for Disney to change SM:M2 back to the original ride? Surely it would be pretty low-costing and they could easily market it as a "new" ride. Plus, it's a fan favourite.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Does anyone know how long it would take (or if it is even likely) for Disney to change SM:M2 back to the original ride?
Space Mountain was closed for approximately 2,5 months to convert the ride from "De La Terre A La Lune" into "Mission 2". But perhaps it will take less time to convert it back? :)
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Surely it would be pretty low-costing and they could easily market it as a "new" ride. Plus, it's a fan favourite.
This was the exact same reasoning of Andre Lacroix and his team behind the installation of Mission 2.
I don't think every change that has been made back in 2005 was a bad one: the new colors on the trains, the lower launch position in the Columbiad canon and even the safety video's in the queue area are improvements. The closure of the Stellar Way makes more sense aswell like Alan mentioned. However, the removal of Steve Branson's soundtrack, the beautiful attraction poster, queue area loop and props in the dome itself (Blue Moon Mining Company, the moon projection etc) ripped out the soul of this attraction. Although it wasn't perfect either, Space Mountain- De La Terre A La Lune felt like a historic, fantastical take on space travel instead of the more general space theme we got in return.
Lets hope we will see this beautiful poster once again in the future...
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By the way, I recently discovered that there used to be a small painting of Jules Verne himself floating in space inside the dome aswell! :)
It would be great if they could keep the best of both. :D
It's a long-shot, but I'd like them to rename it to Discovery Mountain again, as well. There's no chance of that, though.
De la terre à la lune just fitted perfectly in the old Discoveryland. While passing SM with the railroad, there was this great music and the speaker talking about "Space Mountain - de la terre à la lune" gave me goose bumps every time.
If you just compare the two posters (new and old), I think it already tells you a lot about the difference of the two rides. The one is detailled, has a great layout and really catches your attention, while the other one seems to be painted really loveless and looks very boring.
It was the heart of the Jules Verne - Discoveryland, something unique, but today it's only another rollercoaster based on a space theme.
Jules Verne was just fascinating, as well as the whole former Discoveryland. The theme really absorbed you and I think I would not have read all of the famous books of Jules Verne if I weren't stimulated by Discoveryland. Bring him back to DLP! [-o<
I know this has been online for a while, but have you seen the Grand Opening of Space Mountain (1995) video on Disneyland Paris' YouTube channel? It's great.
I particularly like the part where they ask David Copperfield "David, what about Space Mountain?" to which he replies "we loved it. It's not a ride, it's a movie". Very true.
[youtube:4a0c4nz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF70DggWCt4[/youtube:4a0c4nz8]
Disney And More is reporting that Space Mountain will get new Vekoma harnesses in Autumn 2012. This is great news for anyone that doesn't enjoy getting repeatedly smacked in the side of the head.
Here's a video of the new Vekoma harness design in action at Carowinds in the US, tested by an unhappy 6-year-old:
[youtube:1psqb6tc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrA7J1O1Vu8[/youtube:1psqb6tc]
I would have prefered a replacement of the vehicles, maybe that would help to reduce the bumpy experience. But I guess the track also needs some work.
What is better seat right now? Changes are for end of this year. Any tips for none pain of the neck right now? Thank you!
I would say that the middle of the train (if you think of it from front to back) has to be the most comfortable place to sit. In the middle of the train you're travelling at the perfect speed; neither being pushed or pulled by the weight of the rest of the train.
There is another "Mountain" in Europe with the new harnesses. It's "Magic Mountain" in Gardaland, Italy. //http://rcdb.com/m/962.htm
In Gardaland they got new trains as well, so you're sitting a little bit higher than before. This might add to the different feeling, but it is a great progress. So really looking forward to it.
In general MK-1200-Coasters depend heavily on maintenance for a smooth ride. If you get a train with new wheels and good settings the ride can be very smooth, while with old wheels the same coaster can be a quite bumpy ride. I don't think a new train can change much of that because of the design of track and chassis. It shows that the track design is from the 70s.
Python in Efetling, Netherlands just got new trains, too. //http://rcdb.com/m/897.htm
//http://rcdb.com/m/897.htm?p=37888 shows the chassis pretty good, there is not much magic involved.
This is great, but yeah, I would hope its getting completely new trains (but then I guess the cost would ridiculous to replace 5/6 trains...)
Quote from: "sven"Python in Efetling, Netherlands just got new trains, too. //http://rcdb.com/m/897.htm
//http://rcdb.com/m/897.htm?p=37888 shows the chassis pretty good, there is not much magic involved.
Also Speed of Sound in Walibi Holland (Boomerang) got these new trains and shoulder restraints. I tried both, and they are a great leap forward. It made these rides much more smoother. Hopefully it won't be new restraints on SM only.
Sorry for digging out this old thread, but I really have to complain about the harnesses of Space Mountain and Rock'n Rollercoaster, in part also of Indiana Jones. Thank god it doesn't happen very often, but as I'm suffering from claustrophobia, it is really, really bad if one of the trains gets stuck and you are sitting inside, harness over your shoulders and "deep inside" the wagons, with no possibility to move. Indiana Jones isn't that hard as you are outside, but SM and RnRC have become a problem for me, especially because they are inside and there is the loud music playing directly besides your ears. I've just been to Europa Park, where nearly every rollercoaster has harnesses in front of you and the wagons themselves are more "open", also in the Blue Fire, where there is a loop:
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I know this might sound odd, because you don't have the chance to get out in both varieties, but I'd prefer these front harnesses in DLP, too. It's already become so worse that I can't enjoy these rides anylonger, because I'm only hoping that I'll get out again soon...
I am sorry to hear about the claustrophobia, but I must confess as a larger rider, prefer the over the shoulder restraints. I can fit on spacemountain, RNRC and Indy. Sadly I am too big to ride silverstar or Blue Fire at Europapark.
I can't wait for the new harnesses for SM, because the old ones can be painful sometime. I guess in the future we will not see the shoulder restarints anymore. It seems all new rollercoasters are equiped with harnesses in front of the rider.
I am with Davewasbaloo on this!
As a big lad, I need the shoulder harnessess to feel safe!
As a rider of the larger size myself I feel safe as house's on SM RnR and Indy where if I go on the Big one at Blackpool pleasure beach there is something very unnerving about not having a over the shoulder restraint out of the 2 give me an over the shoulder anyday
I'm not a large rider in the slightest but I feel much safer with the over the shoulder restraints.
I just have been at disneyland paris this past weekend and I loved every minute of it, of course also space mountain.
Space Mountain is still a cool and quite beautiful attraction (I also rode the original attraction), but it could use some updates.
Most of the time I rode in the middle of the train an didn't find it bumpy at all!
But to restore the full magic (if they keep the mission 2 theme), in my opinion they have to do the follwing:
-Restore the lights on the building at night like they used to be (really magical).
-Restore the cannon effect and the sound and also the smoke on the cannon.
-Add a bit more theming elements in the queue. Maybe also a second queue video/paintings that shows like the mission/cannon came to be...
-Restore the view into "space" (at least to a certain degree). If they can't because of the projections, they also could use prerecorded HD footage in small "windows" on the wall.
-Replace the supernova projection. Right now it looks really pale and like in lowres standard resolution. With the technology available they could do it even in 3D (without glasses) or even as a hologram. Perhaps they could add live action smoke and lightning/pyro effects to it to enhance it further.
-Replace the onboard sound system with one that actually works and with better and much louder speakers. On the first day, there was no soundtrack at all! On the second day it was way too silent, you could barley hear it and it had no "punch".
-Maybe replace the soundtrack with the original one or somehow do a combination of both. I also love the original soundtrack very much, but there are some moments where it sounds a bit too much like Jurrassic Park Or E.T.
The best would be if they could take the best elements from both missions and make it into one. Hope it happens soon :-)
Would love to hear the opinions of you guys :-)
Quote from: "Spacepilot"-Add a bit more theming elements in the queue.
That's true. Inside, the queue isn't interesting at all, the only things to see are on the last meters...
Quote from: "Spacepilot"Replace the supernova projection. Right now it looks really pale and like in lowres standard resolution. With the technology available they could do it even in 3D (without glasses) or even as a hologram. Perhaps they could add live action smoke and lightning/pyro effects to it to enhance it further.
Very true. The supernova looks as if it was developed with Paint ;)
Quote from: "Spacepilot"-Replace the onboard sound system with one that actually works and with better and much louder speakers. On the first day, there was no soundtrack at all! On the second day it was way too silent, you could barley hear it and it had no "punch".
Much louder speakers? If I have any complaints about them, it is that they are much too loud. After riding, I often feel like my ears were blown off...
Quote from: "Spacepilot"The best would be if they could take the best elements from both missions and make it into one. Hope it happens soon :-)
Would love to hear the opinions of you guys :-)
If you would take the best elemets from both versions, the outcome would be 100% De la terre a la lune and 0 % Mission 2 ;)
Dlp please return de la terre a la lune!!!! It was so fantastic and full of details!! I know it's pretty impossible but i don't give up hope!!
Quote from: "Patrick89"The supernova looks as if it was developed with Paint ;)
Sad but true :(
Quote from: "Patrick89"" Much louder speakers? If I have any complaints about them, it is that they are much too loud. After riding, I often feel like my ears were blown off...
Then your were lucky. I had no soundtrack at all or a very silent one.Quote from: "Patrick89"If you would take the best elemets from both versions, the outcome would be 100% De la terre a la lune and 0 % Mission 2 ;)
Well, they could keep the lower launch position :-)
A good start would be to at least restore the exterior lightning and cannon effects and then they can turn it back to mission 1 :-)
Has there ever been an attraction that has been converted back to a previous version before?
@Spacepilot: Yes, Indiana Jones used to be backwards and they swopped it back to its original version!
You're right.
But I guess Space Mountain would probably require more work than just to turn around the vehicles and some props like with Indiana Jones.
I heard rumours of the moon from Space Mountain can still be seen in Mission 2. Is this true and if so where abouts on the ride is it?
I've been on this ride 14 days before the end of the train and it was very painful, uncomfortable and frightening - shoulder harness did not hold tight and I was afraid to get out all the way-then the whole body hurt a lot.
In fact, after every ride headache. In a way I went about 6 times. Sound sometimes not very audible.
Any updates on this? Like when its closing, and how long for? Or is it even closing at all (one train at a time etc...)?
A couple of months ago, I was reading somewhere that the new trains have been delayed until 2013, which is a shame. :(
But they'd have to close the ride when they replace them, because they'll need to be tested. :)
Quote from: "Josh"A couple of months ago, I was reading somewhere that the new trains have been delayed until 2013, which is a shame. :(
But they'd have to close the ride when they replace them, because they'll need to be tested. :)
New trains?? I'm glad to hear there will be new ones at all!! Can they change it back to "de la terre a la lune" ? ;)
Well when the news first came out about this, ages ago, it was said that the ride will feature new restraints, not new trains.
The most important thing is- whatever they do- make it smooth again!!!
I totally agree...I used to love SM as a kid, but during my last couple of trips I went on the ride only once. And everytime it was really painful and not much fun at all. It's a shame really. A friend of mine felt nauseous and dizzy after the ride from all the banging on the head due to the restraints. :(
Quote from: "Martyn"Well when the news first came out about this, ages ago, it was said that the ride will feature new restraints, not new trains.
Oh, you're right. I must have gotten mixed up. :?
Here's the article for those who haven't read it:
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... t-new.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/dlp-space-mountain-trains-will-get-new.html%22%20target=%22_blank%22%20rel=%22nofollow)
The body of the trains will have to change though, the new Vekoma Harnasses are much bigger than the ones used now. Also they are locked/unlocked electrically so the need to change the chassis a bit to. I think that new trains are cheaper/easier to install instead of changing the ones used now. That would also explain why they are delayed.
Quite a long SM closure coming up: 19th Nov until 7th Dec.
Possibility of seeing new trains? Or maybe just a good refurb of all the effects and that cannon thats not been doing anything for the last year :P
Quote from: "Festival Disney"Quite a long SM closure coming up: 19th Nov until 7th Dec.
Possibility of seeing new trains? Or maybe just a good refurb of all the effects and that cannon thats not been doing anything for the last year :P
I hope they fix the speaker system too. The last couple of times I rode SM:M2 I had no audio!
I cross my fingers that they'll fix as much as they can and bring SM:M2 back to its glory!!!
Quote from: "Martin"I hope they fix the speaker system too. The last couple of times I rode SM:M2 I had no audio!
Last weekend the audio was working, it was loud and it was to late?! The music was about 5 sec behind, if they would fix the music is perfect again.
Imagine how amazing it would be if they fix the smoke coming out of the cannon!
And the recoil! (unlikely though)
Any update on whether the upgrades have taken place during the downtime
According to InsideDLParis, no new trains for Space Mountain M2 until 2013. :-(
Quote from: "basti007"According to InsideDLParis, no new trains for Space Mountain M2 until 2013. :-(
Why so sad? 2013 starts in 2 weeks ;-)
Just back this weekend, and no new trains, no smoke, and no recoils :(
Back yesterday, I can tell you that they've given the Baltimore Gun Club part of the queue a good re-paint/refresh incl. all lights and also re-lamped the station area with the new longer lasting bulbs appearing all over the resort. Inside the attraction there was smoke when you go through the asteroid (not seen that before, personally) and also a bit before the red neon tube. All other visual affects were looking great! Trains still have dire audio and canon still completely knackered though!
I'd love for them to just take some time to redesign or create a totally new recoil effect. The current one seems to be just too tricky for them to keep working properly for extended periods of time! I remember at the 15th Anniversary when they got it working again, it was wonderful and really added to Discoveryland! There must be a way to keep it at least moving to some extent!
As for new trains, it's a shame they weren't putting them on this time, but that's not to say they didn't try them out to see what changes needed making (if any). So I'm not too let down by their lack of appearance this time, roll on 2012 and Space Mountain Mission 2.5!
So what is the latest on the new restriants? They were supposed to changed over in September originally.... why the delay? It must be up there as one of the most important changes that the park needs, given the beating the coaster gives its riders...
Any news or changes since the last posts??
I just watched a private video from 2003. Listening to the old score makes me sad!!!
Why did they change the theme AT ALL?? There was no need to it!
Quote from: "esmeralda"Any news or changes since the last posts??
I just watched a private video from 2003. Listening to the old score makes me sad!!!
Why did they change the theme AT ALL?? There was no need to it!
I agree, change everything else, but the score was where the heart from the ride came from.
When i was in the que for the ride i noticed the electricity part at the end of the ride was view able for the waiting guests and i was wondering what part of the story does this adhere to
Quote from: rallyrob on September 01, 2013, 06:36:34 PM
When i was in the que for the ride i noticed the electricity part at the end of the ride was view able for the waiting guests and i was wondering what part of the story does this adhere to
That's the electro velocitor. in the story it powers the cannon and projectiles to be launched.
hey I am going to disneyland paris very soon now (29th of January)
I do love space mountain mission 2, but I always come out with neck and shoulder pains.
Does anybody knows if the new trains have been installed already? and if so.. are they less painful?
I would be a shame to go trough the queue and than have to walk away because the old trains are to painful for me?
thank you
Still old trains, even more painful. Avoid!
Quote from: SamT on January 06, 2014, 01:42:54 AM
Still old trains, even more painful. Avoid!
thanks... That is one attraction I am going to avoid then.
I thought that they where going to instal the new trains in 2012. Why are they taking so long? :(
Quote from: princes lies on January 06, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
Quote from: SamT on January 06, 2014, 01:42:54 AM
Still old trains, even more painful. Avoid!
thanks... That is one attraction I am going to avoid then.
I thought that they where going to instal the new trains in 2012. Why are they taking so long? :(
They can be painful if you sit in a specific way, but if you've been on it as much as me you know ways to make it a pleasant experience.
Quote from: spacemountainplatypi on January 06, 2014, 12:29:49 PM
They can be painful if you sit in a specific way, but if you've been on it as much as me you know ways to make it a pleasant experience.
Yep know that, and most of the time I can manage to do it less painfull. But I am very long so that is not helping. Most of the times I just go and ride it because i would hate to miss it. Maybe I save it for the last day. In that way my other day's don't get ruined by the pain.
I'm going to ask a stupid few questions here.
I'm one of those people that hate rollercoasters until I've done them. How similar a ride is this to Hulk at Islands of Adventure? Has the ride become smoother in the past year?
Quote from: orangarnold on April 13, 2014, 11:01:10 PM
I'm going to ask a stupid few questions here.
I'm one of those people that hate rollercoasters until I've done them. How similar a ride is this to Hulk at Islands of Adventure? Has the ride become smoother in the past year?
It is a little smoother if you're a repeat rider, but compared to the hulk it isn't that bad. And once you get started on it, you'd love it ;D
Quote from: spacemountainplatypi on April 14, 2014, 12:16:49 AM
Quote from: orangarnold on April 13, 2014, 11:01:10 PM
I'm going to ask a stupid few questions here.
I'm one of those people that hate rollercoasters until I've done them. How similar a ride is this to Hulk at Islands of Adventure? Has the ride become smoother in the past year?
It is a little smoother if you're a repeat rider, but compared to the hulk it isn't that bad. And once you get started on it, you'd love it ;D
Daft thing is I know I'll really love it once I've been on it. Its just getting onto it thats the issue. Hahaha
Quote from: orangarnold on April 14, 2014, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: spacemountainplatypi on April 14, 2014, 12:16:49 AM
Quote from: orangarnold on April 13, 2014, 11:01:10 PM
I'm going to ask a stupid few questions here.
I'm one of those people that hate rollercoasters until I've done them. How similar a ride is this to Hulk at Islands of Adventure? Has the ride become smoother in the past year?
It is a little smoother if you're a repeat rider, but compared to the hulk it isn't that bad. And once you get started on it, you'd love it ;D
Daft thing is I know I'll really love it once I've been on it. Its just getting onto it thats the issue. Hahaha
I was like that on my previous trip ;D but it always helps to think of something that helps you through it, for me it was the knowledge about the book its based on.
Any rumout about the return of the original theeming? (From the earth to the moon) occasion of its 20th anniversary?
I doubt it very much, the most we could hope for is the trains. It seems to have a closure coming up in June lasting for a minimum of 3 weeks but I'm not holding my breath for anything significant happening.
I really wish they would fix the audio though but I'm guessing they are holding off for the new trains.
I always remember on De la Terre à la Lune the music was loud and crystal clear, now with Mission 2 you're lucky if you hear a whisper of the music.
If any audio should be fixed, it's on Rock 'n' Roller Coaster :P But I agree with you, I hope the trains will be replaced.
Quote from: PrincessEnya on April 15, 2014, 11:49:06 AM
If any audio should be fixed, it's on Rock 'n' Roller Coaster :P But I agree with you, I hope the trains will be replaced.
Really? Every time I've been the audio on RNRC has been working spot on.
Quote from: Matty88 on April 15, 2014, 11:53:57 AM
Really? Every time I've been the audio on RNRC has been working spot on.
Than you've been very lucky! ;D Every other time I've been on it for the past two years the music didn't work...
According to DisneylandBerry on twitter
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[/size][size=78%]So what do we think will be happening? I hope new trains is on the top of the list. I don't think this has been officially announced yet by DLP. [/size]
Just got back from DLP and am absolutely gutted to say I will not be riding Space Mountain again until they change the trains or head rests!! I love the ride but it is just too flipping painful these days to enjoy it in any way. I felt like my teeth were going to be rattled out of my head! :'( >:(
Quote from: twentythingamabobs on April 23, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
Just got back from DLP and am absolutely gutted to say I will not be riding Space Mountain again until they change the trains or head rests!! I love the ride but it is just too flipping painful these days to enjoy it in any way. I felt like my teeth were going to be rattled out of my head! :'( >:(
I never though the roughness was as bad as everyone makes out,
I know its rough but its the same as all Vekoma Costers, you just need to keep you head off the headrest and sit a bit forward to stop bashing the restraints, same with Temple Du Peril, keep you head a little forward and it's fine.
Obviously new trains would help to improve this. I just want them to sort the audio out.
Quote from: Matty88 on April 24, 2014, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: twentythingamabobs on April 23, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
Just got back from DLP and am absolutely gutted to say I will not be riding Space Mountain again until they change the trains or head rests!! I love the ride but it is just too flipping painful these days to enjoy it in any way. I felt like my teeth were going to be rattled out of my head! :'( >:(
I never though the roughness was as bad as everyone makes out,
I know its rough but its the same as all Vekoma Costers, you just need to keep you head off the headrest and sit a bit forward to stop bashing the restraints, same with Temple Du Peril, keep you head a little forward and it's fine.
Obviously new trains would help to improve this. I just want them to sort the audio out.
Before this trip I would have 100% agreed with you! My mam refused to ride it after last year I thought she was overreacting or it was just her old bones :D I rode it 3 times this past trip, sitting in various positions on the train, tried pushing my head out the headrest, tried sitting with it pushed right back into it, tried pushing myself right down in the seat... nothing worked. I honestly couldnt pay attention to anything during the ride I was that uncomfortable. So not sure if I was just getting a dodgy seat each time this time or what! I've never had an issue with Temple Du Peril thank goodness.
The audio worked perfectly each time I rode though, I must admit.
Humm, maybe it's a hight thing then, I don't really know.
New trains should be amazing though, and if this rumour about them putting some of the original themeing back in turn out to be true that would be awesome too.
Every time we go I always say to my girlfriend I wish you could have ridden it when it was De la Terre à la Lune it was amazing!
Although I think no matter what they do It'll never be as good as I remember it.
- Just to add I also preferred Temple Du Peril when it was backwards!
Quote from: Matty88 on April 25, 2014, 10:27:42 PM
Humm, maybe it's a hight thing then, I don't really know.
New trains should be amazing though, and if this rumour about them putting some of the original themeing back in turn out to be true that would be awesome too.
Every time we go I always say to my girlfriend I wish you could have ridden it when it was De la Terre à la Lune it was amazing!
Although I think no matter what they do It'll never be as good as I remember it.
- Just to add I also preferred Temple Du Peril when it was backwards!
Ohh, I have watched a video on youtube when it was De la Terre à la Lune and it does look so much better even watching via a shoddy old camcorder :D the music was amazing!
I can imagine how good Temple Du Peril was backwards, do you think they'll ever do that again? I'd love to give it a go!
I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it was probably going to be closed when we go in June but after reading the last few comments maybe it wont be so bad missing out this ride.
It's still a great coaster! The track layout is awesome, the launch is better now then it was before and the theme is great (it was better, but some of it is still there)
You just feel battered after a couple of rides, (most people feel it after just one if they sit how it tells you to sit)
Quote from: jazzyjules72 on April 28, 2014, 06:07:49 PM
I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it was probably going to be closed when we go in June but after reading the last few comments maybe it wont be so bad missing out this ride.
Oh, don't let my moaning put you off! It is a great roller coaster, the theming is special and you really do have a brilliant time when you're on it. Like I said, this past visit was the first time I experienced any discomfort whatsoever. If you have the chance to ride it at some point, go for it you won't be sorry!
Brilliant ride - somewhat painful nowadays though. I say at least try it once. If they do change the trains don't expect the battering to go away completely though... I've noticed on[size=78%] [/size][/size]other coasters with horseshoe inversions, that the exact same happens. Though yes... it should be a bit smoother than what it is at the moment.[size=78%]
So now I think that it's official.....
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6bffcab7cbe11653a472e9745ef2f324/tumblr_n5gvjrMiOq1t0giw6o1_500.jpg)
Quote from: Simba 27 on May 12, 2014, 05:23:40 PM
So now I think that it's official.....
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6bffcab7cbe11653a472e9745ef2f324/tumblr_n5gvjrMiOq1t0giw6o1_500.jpg)
......I CAN DIE HAPPY NOW, WHERE DID YOU FIND IT?!
where is this info coming from?
Quote from: Simba 27 on May 12, 2014, 05:23:40 PM
So now I think that it's official.....
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6bffcab7cbe11653a472e9745ef2f324/tumblr_n5gvjrMiOq1t0giw6o1_500.jpg)
Please let this be true!!!
A quick Google image search shows that this image was already posted on this French forum (http://www.disneygazette.fr/forum/disneyland-paris-f33/le-programme-des-20-ans-et-plus-encore-t8650-90.html) back in 2011 though... ???
I believe it says that back in 2011 Radio Disney posted the rumour that Space Mountain will return to its original form in 2015. This could still happen, of course, but I doubt it will. It would cost money DLP could spend on other developments. Why would they spend it on this?
Sorry guys, I found that image the past days on two Italian forums, and since no one reported there that it was fan made, I thought it was official.
No problem. ;) To be fair, there are always rumours around that Space Mountain will get a huge refurb. The last one I´ve heard of, is that in 2015 the ride will be updated in such a way that it´s a combination of the original version and Mission 2. Who knows what will happen. As long as the trains are updated, I´m happy. ;D
A combination would be okay. Can not get any worse anyway.
- bring back the moon
- bring back the window in the queue
- bring back the commets
- bring back the original soundtrack
- get rid of the cheap exploding projection
- get rid of the cheap disco ball effect
- new trains
wouldn't be too hard.
Edit:
Interessting post on miceage
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As for Space Mountain, a very well placed friend of mine has confirmed that DLP plan to return the ride to its De la Terra à la Lune storyline (with more modern show technology, of course), but that the project has yet to be assigned a budget. This means that, while there is a definite will to see this happen, it's not yet been green-lit. However, we can expect to see some Space Mountain: De la Terra à la Lune themed merchandise hitting the resort in the next year or so!
Rumors are getting stronger....
https://twitter.com/ontdekdisney/status/492325585595949058
The trains were delayed, but it is sure they are coming. Unfortunately, no confirmation about the theming. Anxious for that.