It's been rumoured but now seems official - Cinemagique is to close at the end of March with a new show due to the open in 2018.
Clearly Marvel themed from the way the announcement has been made.
Whilst it's great to see something new (Cinemagique has been there a LONG time) and Marvel themeing is a great idea for the studios, I will miss it and it's a pity it'll not be there for the 25th celebrations.
Hopefully they do as good a replacement here as they did when they made Mickey and the Magician.
If this is the first step towards overhauling the backlot area, I'm all for it.
Awww really enjoyed that show!
Yup. I have no problems with Marvel stuff appearing in the Studios at all. That's where it fits. I'd like to see the whole area properly themed around that to give it some coherence.
Armageddon, the tram tours, the car show... all could be refitted and re-themed.
My only concerns are that they don't touch the two great rides in that area - RnR and ToT.
I'm indifferent to CineMagique. I'm not disappointed at its closure, however I do have concerns about just sticking a Marvel show in there.
The rsik is that we'll just get a B-roll clip show with frills. Hopefully it'll be more than that though.
Heck, why not keep the Studio 2 building but add to it. There's a nice expansion pad to the side, that could be used for another attraction.... *cough* Iron Man Experience *cough* *splutter*
Allegedly, it may be live action, similar to the Pirates of the Caribbean stunt show in Shanghai.
The fact it's closing for at least 9 months suggests they'll do more than just a clip show. That would be a long time to be closed just to put in new clips and fix up the current effects. I wouldn't be surprised to see it have more live elements and more effects.
I think Cinemagique was an utterly charming show and I always loved watching it but I'm excited to see what they can do with it considering the quality of the recent show replacement in the studios.
Why couldn't they just update cinemagique? My hubby is a huge marvel & star wars fan but he is strongly against this, they swamping the parks with too much of these genres. He, and I agree, thinks this is not Disney Disney and may not stand the test of time like traditional Disney does which could result in less attendance maybe. They are big at the moment but I guess only time will tell. I'm personally a little disappointed & put off & so are my kids but hey, I just won't visit that area as much :)
If they add much more non-Disney Disney stuff they're going to have to change the name of the parks! I get there are a lot of Star Wars and Marvel fans but equally there are lots of us who aren't, who prefer Disney Disney to non-Disney Disney! That's the whole reason for me going there. I think it's a real shame they stopped Stars'n'Cars - I loved that - it's where I had my profile pic taken in 2014 :-) I'm looking forward to my trip in September, mainly for the 25th anniversary celebrations, but will see what happens in future years. If this carries on I won't be returning after this year's visit.
Quote from: Andybear on February 26, 2017, 03:18:04 PM
If they add much more non-Disney Disney stuff they're going to have to change the name of the parks! I get there are a lot of Star Wars and Marvel fans but equally there are lots of us who aren't, who prefer Disney Disney to non-Disney Disney! That's the whole reason for me going there. I think it's a real shame they stopped Stars'n'Cars - I loved that - it's where I had my profile pic taken in 2014 :-) I'm looking forward to my trip in September, mainly for the 25th anniversary celebrations, but will see what happens in future years. If this carries on I won't be returning after this year's visit.
Agree :)
Yup. Disney is Disney. Star Wars and Marvel are not. We will not renew our passes this time. Their 25th year is our 25th year of visiting and looks like our last with increasing prices of AP, likelyhood of shareholder club disolving and less "tradtional" Disney magic...not a big enough draw. We will head elsewhere.
Quote from: Zee79 on February 26, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
He, and I agree, thinks this is not Disney Disney and may not stand the test of time like traditional Disney does which could result in less attendance maybe.
Tbf, Star Wars is 40 years old. Marvel comics are over 50 years old. These aren't exactly flash in the pan franchises. And DLP needs higher attendance which these sorts of attractions will undoubtedly help with considering their popularity.
I'd be happy if the left hand side of the park became a coherent land about the live action movies and the right stayed all about the toons. Toy Story Playland and Ratatouille are fabulous areas but the other side of the park really needs some work. If they're going to put in things about the live action films then Marvel and Star Wars are the best bet as they will stand the test of time. No one wants another Armageddon!
Is there enough room in the show building / on the stage as it is for a stunt show?
Studio 2 is quite small.
Quote from: claire2281 on February 26, 2017, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Zee79 on February 26, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
He, and I agree, thinks this is not Disney Disney and may not stand the test of time like traditional Disney does which could result in less attendance maybe.
Tbf, Star Wars is 40 years old. Marvel comics are over 50 years old. These aren't exactly flash in the pan franchises. And DLP needs higher attendance which these sorts of attractions will undoubtedly help with considering their popularity.
I'd be happy if the left hand side of the park became a coherent land about the live action movies and the right stayed all about the toons. Toy Story Playland and Ratatouille are fabulous areas but the other side of the park really needs some work. If they're going to put in things about the live action films then Marvel and Star Wars are the best bet as they will stand the test of time. No one wants another Armageddon!
BIB: It might have the opposite effect though - people who aren't fans of those franchises might stop going. I've read on various websites people saying this. Also I see I'm not the only person on this site who feels the same. But we shall see.
Quote from: claire2281 on February 26, 2017, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Zee79 on February 26, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
He, and I agree, thinks this is not Disney Disney and may not stand the test of time like traditional Disney does which could result in less attendance maybe.
Tbf, Star Wars is 40 years old. Marvel comics are over 50 years old. These aren't exactly flash in the pan franchises. And DLP needs higher attendance which these sorts of attractions will undoubtedly help with considering their popularity.
I'd be happy if the left hand side of the park became a coherent land about the live action movies and the right stayed all about the toons. Toy Story Playland and Ratatouille are fabulous areas but the other side of the park really needs some work. If they're going to put in things about the live action films then Marvel and Star Wars are the best bet as they will stand the test of time. No one wants another Armageddon!
I understand how old they are but they were enjoyed by only a specific group of people, my hubby being one and took a lot of stick for this over the years, they are being enjoyed by so many more now but I wonder for just how long and will it return to how it was before.
Honestly, I think the Company is doing the best thing for the parks at the moment. The 25th stuff looks great and everything but it will not solve the financial problems - making the parks more appealing to a wider audience who normally would be opposed to going anywhere with 'Disney' in the name might think twice to experience the Star Wars and future Marvel offerings.
I'm not a massive fan of Marvel (I used to be but it's getting a bit samey now ;) ) but I love Star Wars and the fact that the Company is adding in more pop culture - pop culture that Disney owns/has rights to so it is still Disney - can only be a good thing. Look at Seasons of the Force and how successful that has been! I don't think I've ever seen the Studios as crowded as it has been whilst it has been on! I really really think this will put DLP back on the map and a park to visit from other countries.
Besides, Tower of Terror, Rock 'N Roller Coaster etc. are not Disney and were possibly hated on when they were first unveiled but now they are much loved, classic attractions.
The parks have to move forward with the times otherwise it will be the same experience time and time and again and will reduce guest numbers even more (particular with prices rising every year). It's simple really - if you're not into the new attractions, then don't experience them!!
Quote from: stormflm595 on February 27, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Besides, Tower of Terror, Rock 'N Roller Coaster etc. are not Disney
In California they are making Tower of Terror "Disney" unfortunately.
I think the studios park should be all about moving with the times, the magic of the big screen, special effects and that includes all that is new and current. Star wars and marvel provide this (along with being established and well loved brands in their own right). I'm all for it.
I particularly love how this park captures innovation through the ages, from the golden Hollywood era through to the cutting edge animation from the Pixar studios. It's a lovely mix.
Bits like the Reign of fire set may not be based on the most memorable films but it's about showing the production and creating cool effects.
Disneyland park for me is mainly about the classics and the main Disney vision and is like stepping back in time, which I love too. They both have their own identities and that is great.
I never really liked cinemagique so am happy for a change here. Another live show would be a big benefit to the park.
As stormflm595 alluded to, another contributing factor for CineMagic heading to Yesterland... all those films that they have to pay usage rights for. The suits must really hate shelling out for something they don't own. Hence part of the reason for that horried retheme on DCA's ToT. (On the flipside, they must love owning the Marvel characters that Universal Orlando has to pay for now!)
Having said that, I'm pretty sure a lot of us would be just as happy with "CineMagic II: Disney Edition". It's not like they couldn't do it. There's 90 years of content they could utilise.
Quote from: Rocketeer on February 27, 2017, 04:53:45 PM
As stormflm595 alluded to, another contributing factor for CineMagic heading to Yesterland... all those films that they have to pay usage rights for. The suits must really hate shelling out for something they don't own. Hence part of the reason for that horried retheme on DCA's ToT. (On the flipside, they must love owning the Marvel characters that Universal Orlando has to pay for now!)
Having said that, I'm pretty sure a lot of us would be just as happy with "CineMagic II: Disney Edition". It's not like they couldn't do it. There's 90 years of content they could utilise.
BIB: I would love that :)
For me too much marvel or star wars would have the opposite effect. I don't particularly like studios at the moment as it is, as there is not enough disney there for me - and this is the reason i have gone to "Disneyland paris"
Very excited about this news. Sure Cinemagique is a nice show. But let's face it. It had it's time and is horribly out dated looking from a young persons point of view.
Marvel is big draw with todays kids and teens, and the parks need to move forward. Let's hope they will soon announce some kind of a master plan for the studios.
Why Cinemagique closed and Armageddon: les Effets Spéciaux get's to stay is beyond me?! ;D ;D ;D
^I'd only assume that AES has outlasted Cinemagique is down to the rights issue.
Who knows, maybe that's another attraction that is on road to retirement.
Quote from: mickey1980 on February 28, 2017, 08:11:26 PM
Very excited about this news. Sure Cinemagique is a nice show. But let's face it. It had it's time and is horribly out dated looking from a young persons point of view.
Marvel is big draw with todays kids and teens, and the parks need to move forward. Let's hope they will soon announce some kind of a master plan for the studios.
Why Cinemagique closed and Armageddon: les Effets Spéciaux get's to stay is beyond me?! ;D ;D ;D
Not everyone who goes to the parks is a kid or a teen, the world doesn't revolve around them. Adults count too. Since I don't have kids I go during the school term time and there are plenty of adults without kids or teens there then. Actually it's adults who pay for the kids and teens to go there.
Quote from: mickey1980 on February 28, 2017, 08:11:26 PM
Marvel is big draw with todays kids and teens, and the parks need to move forward. Let's hope they will soon announce some kind of a master plan for the studios.
Marvel is a big draw with a lot of adults too. I work at conventions in my spare time and the popularity of Marvel is phenomenal.
QuoteWhy Cinemagique closed and Armageddon: les Effets Spéciaux get's to stay is beyond me?! ;D ;D ;D
I honestly think that Armageddon is more expensive and harder to change. It's better for them if they can change it for an attraction which uses the current infrastructure but they might not have anything suitable. It's a small building so there's only so much they could do with it as it stands.
I quite liked cinemagique, it was one of those things that you just dont see anywhere else.
Hoping Studios might be in for an enhancement program along the lines of the changes Disney California Adventure went through. Reading about it, the two parks seem similar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_California_Adventure#2007.E2.80.932012_redesign_and_expansion
Also if you look at Studios as you come out to the left of Studio 1, there isn't really much at all until you reach Aerosmith. Certainly not anything you would consider to be Disney magic.
Not sure Star Wars or Marvel really fall under Disney magic, but whatever comes in needs to be themed really well at a similar level to the Ratatouille area.
Quote from: macca1476 on March 01, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
Not sure Star Wars or Marvel really fall under Disney magic,
Star Wars, maybe. Marvel, definitely not!
Funny at the debate about LucasFilm and Marvel being Disney or not. I suppose it is a little subjective.
To me they are part of the Disney Family, just like Pixar and the Muppets. Even when the Power Rangers were briefly owned by the Mouse, they were still "Disney".
There's more of a connection between LucasFilm and the company than there is for Marvel - however it is Disney that bankrolled the Mavel films, and no doubt do have some imput to ensure that they live up to not only the Marvel name, but also that of Disney.
Look at it another way, at least they are Disney owned characters. It's not like we're going back to the days of the Ninja Turtles and Ace Ventura in the parks.
I'm sure the Imagineers can make a Marvelland just as impressive as they are currently doing with Avatar and Star Wars expansions. I wouldn't mind if the complete left side of the park will be sacrificed doing so. There is nothing there that will be missed by many. Maybe even rebrand the Tower Of Terror. Which I truly love. But it's location is really oddly placed. With no references leading up to it.
I did some home imagineering with maps. As you can see there is lots of space in the Studios for future expansions. Only to do so, tramtour has to go. As concluded many times it's placement blocks every possible expansion of the park.
Just not sure where to put a lake ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/uU08h3V.jpg)
I guess that is probably the best direction to take it. And could the Tram Tour not go around the back of the property?
And you can see that there's a fair sized chunk of land sat next to Studio 2 - surely that should be used by now?
I really like Cinemagique, I will definitely miss it. I am making a quick surprise/last minute trip on the 16th and 17th of this month, hopefully it'll still be there so I can watch it one last time. I'm sad that Animagique is gone, but looking forward to watching Mickey & the Magician for the first time :)
Quote from: samuelvictor on March 06, 2017, 01:42:05 PM
I'm sad that Animagique is gone, but looking forward to watching Mickey & the Magician for the first time :)
Just to say, Mickey and the Magician is quite exceptional! When you've watch it you can almost feel ok about Animagique closing to make way for the new show! :)
Quote from: Sulley's Arms on March 07, 2017, 01:52:17 PM
Just to say, Mickey and the Magician is quite exceptional! When you've watch it you can almost feel ok about Animagique closing to make way for the new show! :)
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to seeing it :)
Completely agree, Mickey and the Magician is superb. We went last year and my wife, 2 children (3 & 4) and I were enthralled from the first to the last minute.
Oh wow - it's good to see investment, but personally I'll miss Cinemagique and I'm not a big fan of Marvel. I don't want to see it taking over too much.
Luckily, we are visiting next week for 2 days, just before the 25th anniversary kicks off, so we will make sure we enjoy Cinemagique one last time!
If it's not there in August, I want a refund. Absolutely ridiculous. Cinemagique is by far one of the best things about the Walt Disney Studios park.
I'm convinced Cinemagique is closing. This 'confirmation' seems to be based on a tweet that could mean anything:
https://twitter.com/ElliotJGMinto/status/840505226817863680
Yes, 'It's 'It' s a wrap' is a phrase used to signify the completion of a film production but in this case it could easily mean that they are refurbishing it from March.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on March 11, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
I'm convinced Cinemagique is closing. This 'confirmation' seems to be based on a tweet that could mean anything:
https://twitter.com/ElliotJGMinto/status/840505226817863680
Yes, 'It's 'It' s a wrap' is a phrase used to signify the completion of a film production but in this case it could easily mean that they are refurbishing it from March.
The new DLP help twitter replied to someone to confirm that it was closing at the end of March as stated and will reopen in 2018. There's been no official announcement on what will replace it but a reliable source was hinting at a Marvel based show.
Quote from: claire2281 on March 11, 2017, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on March 11, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
I'm convinced Cinemagique is closing. This 'confirmation' seems to be based on a tweet that could mean anything:
https://twitter.com/ElliotJGMinto/status/840505226817863680
Yes, 'It's 'It' s a wrap' is a phrase used to signify the completion of a film production but in this case it could easily mean that they are refurbishing it from March.
The new DLP help twitter replied to someone to confirm that it was closing at the end of March as stated and will reopen in 2018. There's been no official announcement on what will replace it but a reliable source was hinting at a Marvel based show.
We need to stop them before it's too late. Disneyland cannot lose Cinemagique.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on March 12, 2017, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: claire2281 on March 11, 2017, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on March 11, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
I'm convinced Cinemagique is closing. This 'confirmation' seems to be based on a tweet that could mean anything:
https://twitter.com/ElliotJGMinto/status/840505226817863680
Yes, 'It's 'It' s a wrap' is a phrase used to signify the completion of a film production but in this case it could easily mean that they are refurbishing it from March.
The new DLP help twitter replied to someone to confirm that it was closing at the end of March as stated and will reopen in 2018. There's been no official announcement on what will replace it but a reliable source was hinting at a Marvel based show.
We need to stop them before it's too late. Disneyland cannot lose Cinemagique.
Knowing Disney, It's probably already too late.
Quote from: PMF on March 12, 2017, 02:35:26 AM
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on March 12, 2017, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: claire2281 on March 11, 2017, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on March 11, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
I'm convinced Cinemagique is closing. This 'confirmation' seems to be based on a tweet that could mean anything:
https://twitter.com/ElliotJGMinto/status/840505226817863680
Yes, 'It's 'It' s a wrap' is a phrase used to signify the completion of a film production but in this case it could easily mean that they are refurbishing it from March.
The new DLP help twitter replied to someone to confirm that it was closing at the end of March as stated and will reopen in 2018. There's been no official announcement on what will replace it but a reliable source was hinting at a Marvel based show.
We need to stop them before it's too late. Disneyland cannot lose Cinemagique.
Knowing Disney, It's probably already too late.
I'm starting a petition regardless. Cinemagique needs saving.
Petition is now live: https://www.change.org/p/disneyland-paris-save-cinemagique-from-disneyland-paris-closure?recruiter=40612391&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
I like Cinemagique but I think its time has come and gone. It would be different if they had updated the films in the Titanic section but everything...including Martin Short is well past its sell by date! Most kids won't have a clue who he even is. It has to go I'm afraid. It is what happened to Honey I shrunk the Audience, The Cinemascope Jules Verne and many more. No petition is going to save it.
If petitions failed to save Mr. Toad, Country Bears, Horizons, The Adventurers Club, 8-Trax and The Hollywood Tower Hotel, then I'm afraid that CineMagique's closure is a fait accompli.
A noble gesuture nonetheless.
Quote from: Rocketeer on March 12, 2017, 07:10:49 PM
If petitions failed to save Mr. Toad, Country Bears, Horizons, The Adventurers Club, 8-Trax and The Hollywood Tower Hotel, then I'm afraid that CineMagique's closure is a fait accompli.
A noble gesuture nonetheless.
It's worth a try. It would be a shame for the park to lose something that's such an important part of its history.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on March 12, 2017, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: Rocketeer on March 12, 2017, 07:10:49 PM
If petitions failed to save Mr. Toad, Country Bears, Horizons, The Adventurers Club, 8-Trax and The Hollywood Tower Hotel, then I'm afraid that CineMagique's closure is a fait accompli.
A noble gesuture nonetheless.
It's worth a try. It would be a shame for the park to lose something that's such an important part of its history.
The sad truth is is that Disney really doesn't care anymore.
Never thought the studio's were worth saving. But okay. Each to their own.
Quote from: PMF on March 12, 2017, 11:44:55 PM
It's worth a try. It would be a shame for the park to lose something that's such an important part of its history.
The sad truth is is that Disney really doesn't care anymore.
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Normally I'd try and argue the other side on that, but I fear you maybe right. I'm sure there are elements that do care - probably at WDI, but they get overridden by Burbank that go by the numbers rather than how the entire experience is.
Ultimately I think for the long term for the Parks to keep open Disney really need to boost visitor numbers. Only a tiny minority will go in the parks specifically for Cinemagique whereas a lot of people will be drawn by Marvel.
Increasing the amount of Star Wars in Studios has certainly made the parks busier, was really busy in February when i was there. Seeing on the app last weekend some rides had a 200 minute wait time.
Studios is where Marvel should go, at the moment the only character in the parks is Spiderman and that is a depressingly basic implementation. Quite excited to see what they are planning.
OK
Controversial comment time! I personally think the closure of Cinemagique is long overdue.
DLP gets lots of young visitors and some of the movies featured are really inappropriate for people below a certain age. I have not done Cinemagique for a couple of years but the last time I did it was still featuring a scene from The Exorcist which although was only brief really should not be seen by anyone under 18 let alone 5 and 6 year olds or younger. Now I do appreciate that DLP has a duty to appeal to everyone and as Walt Disney himself said his parks are not aimed solely at children but I think there a lot more family friendly movies that could have been used. Oh and BTW this is not a dig at The Exorcist which really is one of the greatest films ever made.
Maybe it does not have to disappear altogether, maybe they could just update the films and change the story. Again no disrespect to Martin Short (a really good actor) but as another user has already said, a lot of people do not recognise him.
Anyway for what it's worth, that is my controversial comment concluded! If Cinemagique closes it will be exciting to see what takes its place and if it is only getting an overhaul then I am sure that a lot of people will look forward to seeing it again.
Good luck with the petition you never know it might do some good but I honestly will be surprised if it does as once Disney makes its mind up about something it doesn't normally change it again.... although the characters are returning to the hotels after only a short time away so you never can tell!
TTFN
I've really enjoyed watching Cinemagique and I think it's a great attraction that I'll miss. Particularly since I'm taking a first time visitor with me this summer and now she won't get to see it. But at the same time I'm happy for them to bring in new things. The shows and attractions like these SHOULDN'T be permanent featured imo as they are one of the ways they can keep the park experience fresh.
I mean I was sad to see Animagique go but I'm really looking forward to seeing Mickey and the Magician. I'm glad to see Disney spending money on the park and changing things up. I only hope it's a sign of more to come.
I'm not too bothered, I much prefer shows such as Forest of Enchantment and Mickey and the Magician compared to a film show.
Just got back and was glad to see Cinemagique one last time. I had 2 friends with me who'd never seen it before and they loved it.
Mind you I also got to watch Mickey and the Magician and it was fantastic. Absolutely stunning. I love Animagique and will miss it, but the new show is even better - I hope I'll feel the same way about whatever replaces Cinemagique.
It would have been lovely if they had hired martin short to appear live on stage at the very last screening, but oh well. Fare thee well, conemagique, thou shalt be missed
Well this is it...CInemagique is officially closing for good...
https://twitter.com/michaeltanzer/status/847121392088875008
Quote from: MichaelTanzer91 on March 29, 2017, 08:12:29 PM
Well this is it...CInemagique is officially closing for good...
https://twitter.com/michaeltanzer/status/847121392088875008
https://www.change.org/p/disneyland-paris-save-cinemagique-from-disneyland-paris-closure