I quite enjoy all this speculation and guessing, its fun - so I won't ruin the games... BUT... I will confirm/Deny a couple of little rumours...
"Dreams" - A magical immersive nighttime specatacular" will be indeed the name of the new nighttime show.
It will include at least one live performer - either Mickey or Peter Pan, not decided yet!
The whole stage will be removed, a large fountain will be placed in the centre used just for the show. Work on the hub at the moment is to lay new pipes for the fountains.
The Once Upon a Dream Parade will be re-named "Disney's Magic on Parade" - it will have totally new music (one track with small variations for each float), there will be small changes to each float, and BIG changes to the Imaginations float (think fairies) and the big princess float (think Fab 5, and Sorcerer Mickey on a mountain <!-- s;) --> ;) <!-- s;) --> ) also say goodbye to the Power float.
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Will they add something new to Disney Once Upon A Dream Parade for Disneyland Paris Resort 20th Anniversary?
I know they'll be adding Duffy the Disney Bear to the parade, but that's all, I think.
There have been rumours that they are changing the parade next year for the 20th anniversary adding the fairies etc I think it i in the 20th anniversary thread.
by Poppy The Monkey » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:56 pm
"The Once Upon a Dream Parade will be re-named "Disney's Magic on Parade" - it will have totally new music (one track with small variations for each float), there will be small changes to each float, and BIG changes to the Imaginations float (think fairies) and the big princess float (think Fab 5, and Sorcerer Mickey on a mountain ) also say goodbye to the Power float.
Okay, I've given away far too much already.... "
Other sources have confirmed something is changing in the parade but not to what extent although character central said they had this ^^^^ confirmed from other sources too so it was a likely rumour.
Can wait to see the new things for the Disney One Upon A Dream Parade. :D
When it says fairies, does this mean over-sized tinkerbelle or the three fairies, fairy godmother, etc?
There are a lot of fairies to choose from
Dont quote me but I'm sure someone said it would be the Aurora fairies as apposed to the new tink franchise.
Yes, I also read that it was the classic fairies (3 fairies, Fairy Godmother & The Blue Fairy)
Phew! If it was tink, I would NOT be happy
And some questions here, too.
What kind of music do you think Disney is going to mix for the 'new' Magic on Parade? Something like a music loop? (No, please!) Or something like Mickey's Soundsational Parade?
Do you like that name? Don't you think it is old-fashioned? "Magic on Parade", it sounds like they had just opened a new park in China. It sounds like they are introducing the Disney parks' style for the first time in Europe. They're trying to show that Disney is about 'Magic' and that they make parades every day. We already know that.
I would rename it as "Disney's Dreams Come True Parade".
So no more "Just like we dreamed it" music ? Oh no...I love this song. Didnt like the show stops, took too long and one of the "puppets" on the pinocchio bit kept huffing and puffing as she bobbed up and down, which we couldn stop looking at or laughing at - wasnt really in the spirit of it all.
I've found this on the Spring/Summer 2012 brochure.
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They are announcing the Disney Magic on Parade with a Mickey's Soundsational Parade picture. This leads me to think that we'll have some Soundsational floats style and music.
:-" It's a "magic" celebration. Come on, come on, come on.
Did you notice that this picture was taken from Disneyland Anaheim. You can clearly see the Matterhorn.
Sure. The Mickey's Soundsational Parade is right there, in Anaheim. I've said "They are announcing the Disney Magic on Parade with a Mickey's Soundsational Parade picture."
Quote from: "Lorum"Sure. The Mickey's Soundsational Parade is right there, in Anaheim. I've said "They are announcing the Disney Magic on Parade with a Mickey's Soundsational Parade picture."
Oh yeah. I'm sorry, somehow I must have missed your comment beneath the picture.
InsideDLRParis tweets the first visuals for Disney Magic On Parade:
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Doesn't give a lot away. Love the fact Merlin is included.
The number of images containing the Fab 5 wearing the Tokyo Disneyland costumes seems to confirm new get-up for them.
I don't like how similar it is to "Dreams Nightime Spectacular". I'm sure they could have thought up a few more names that are way better than "Dreams on Parade".
Quote from: "Columbiad"InsideDLRParis tweets the first visuals for Disney Magic On Parade:
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Doesn't give a lot away. Love the fact Merlin is included.
The number of images containing the Fab 5 wearing the Tokyo Disneyland costumes seems to confirm new get-up for them.
WOW! What a Wonderful photo!!! Is DLP making any Entertainment for the 20th? or is WDI doing it all??? This may be DLP's best year ever!!!
Side Note: When I looked at the Spring 2012 brochure online this morning, Fantillusion was only under Summer 2012. Anyone know what the final say is about Fantillusion??
First concepts for the new parade floats!
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The small floats look really nice, the reworked Princess float looks like it could be good (I love that the Fantasia theme is making an appearance!) but potentially could be quite garish! Hopefully they'll tone the colours down just a little!
I'm quite excited for this, tasteful Parades seem to be something Paris has managed to get to work quite well!
I really hope they tone down the new Mickey float... way too pink!
Otherwise it looks pretty good, liking the look of the new opening float especially. I really want to have more of an idea what the music will be like now
Love the concepts! I hope that the colours won't be as harsh too, it will be over kill.
I love the new addition of characters such as the Blue Fairy, the Three fairies, Merlin and TINKERBELL! AH!
But I don't like how they have taken Belle off. Why? I find it odd since she's the "French" princess. Why couldn't she have her own carriage like Cinders and Snow White? Same with Aladdin and Jasmine? Sad face. No fair. I hope they get something special as a replacement.
Is it possible to have a Disney Magic on parade thread instead?
I'm excited that Tinkerbell may actually feature in the parade!
Quote from: "littlemermaid83"Is it possible to have a Disney Magic on parade thread instead?
Yes! I was just about to split these posts into a new topic! :)
Edit: And here we go!
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "littlemermaid83"Is it possible to have a Disney Magic on parade thread instead?
Yes! I was just about to split these posts into a new topic! :)
Edit: And here we go!
Thankyou Anthony! :D
Quote from: "Wezz"First concepts for the new parade floats!
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They look nice, but they remind me of the floats from the previous parade (Just Like We Dreamed It) for some reason.
Quote from: "BadKid"They look nice, but they remind me of the floats from the previous parade (Just Like We Dreamed It) for some reason.
That's because they are the same floats, just slightly re-themed.
That's the reason 2 floats are being removed in January, to make them into Magic on Parade floats.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"That's because they are the same floats, just slightly re-themed.
Oh right, thanks :)
The concept's look great! I love the new Dreams of Romance float! Really good idea, But yes... I agree with some members the colours should be toned down a bit, too bright! But the rest is great, I love the fact it's Fantasia themed too! :) The new characters to be featured are great, especially Merlin who is rarely seen in parades! :D
Also, i also agree Belle should'nt have been cut, and i am hoping she was accidently missed of the concept art, i will also miss Jasmine and Aladdin, Maybe they should have had carriages too... Or even if the just walk in front of the floats..
Wonder what the music will be like.
It wouldn't suprise me if it's a 'flight's of fantasy' or 'soundsational' style of music as it is very catchy and a good choice of music for this parade.
Quote from: "TowMater"It wouldn't suprise me if it's a 'flight's of fantasy' or 'soundsational' style of music as it is very catchy and a good choice of music for this parade.
not only that. it one of the cheapist options. If they going to use the music of FoF and Soundsational, they only have to translate the music in Frence and mixed it up and make a opening, alice, pinokkio, evil and end theme.
I really, really hope they will have Belle and the Beast( or Prince) on a float again. [-o< [-o<
Aurora1
Quote from: "Aurora1"I really, really hope they will have Belle and the Beast( or Prince) on a float again. [-o< [-o<
Aurora1
I agree, I loved the Beauty and the Beauty float last time.
magicforum notice:
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Quote from: "Aurora1"I really, really hope they will have Belle and the Beast( or Prince) on a float again. [-o< [-o<
Aurora1
They're in a horse-pulled carriage. There's two others for Cinderella and Aurora, I think.
Here it is! MAGIC EVERYWHERE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNvTj6jFns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNvTj6jFns%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
lol people beat me to it again :l
Quote from: "GrantR"Here it is! MAGIC EVERYWHERE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNvTj6jFns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNvTj6jFns%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Thanks for posting!
I think it's a good song!
Loving it
The dance unit from Pinocchio will change into its original , from can-can dancer back to the marionettes .
Tinkerbell is going to be removed from the Peter Pan float.
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In relation to the parade preview at L'AG, I REALLY hope I never ever see dancers in Mickey's Magical Party costumes again. Ever. :O
Disney Magic On Parade update , the floats gor their magical names and they've changed places
Float 1 : Magic of Inventions (Magician Float / Dreams of Imagination)
Float 2 : Magic of Romance ( Princess Carriages + Dreams of Romance I)
Float 3 : Magic of Friendship (Toy Story - Winnie the Pooh / Dreams of Friendship)
Float 4 : Magic of Laughter & Fun (Alice - Pinocchio / Dreams of Laughter & Fun)
Float 5 : Magic of Adventure (Lion King - Jungle Book / Dreams of Adventure)
Float 6 : Magic of Fantasy (Peter Pan - Marry Poppins / Dreams of Fantasy)
Float 7 : Celebrate The Magic (Dreams of Romance II - 20th Anniversary float)
Another update : Queen of Hearts has been replaced by the White Rabbit
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Quote from: "Glstitch"Disney Magic On Parade update , the floats gor their magical names and they've changed places
Float 1 : Magic of Inventions (Magician Float / Dreams of Imagination)
Float 2 : Magic of Romance ( Princess Carriages + Dreams of Romance I)
Float 3 : Magic of Friendship (Toy Story - Winnie the Pooh / Dreams of Friendship)
Float 4 : Magic of Laughter & Fun (Alice - Pinocchio / Dreams of Laughter & Fun)
Float 5 : Magic of Adventure (Lion King - Jungle Book / Dreams of Adventure)
Float 6 : Magic of Fantasy (Peter Pan - Marry Poppins / Dreams of Fantasy)
Float 7 : Celebrate The Magic (Dreams of Romance II - 20th Anniversary float)
Another update : Queen of Hearts has been replaced by the White Rabbit
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How dare they remove the Queen of Hearts lol.
Its a shame about the Queen of Hearts, but i'd like to see the Rabbit!
Aww, I liked the Queen of Hearts.
Hmm, I'm quite intrigued by the princesses carriages. I hope some updated sketches get uploaded soon.
Hmmm... I love the look of the first float. I'm not big on horse drawn carriages in Disney parades, they just never seem to work alongside the bigger floats, so I was hoping maybe they'd build a new float to replace the Princessone which is being redone. I wonder what'll happen to the villains' float too? Maybe they'll have it as part of a Halloween pre-parade?
Quote from: "candydog"Hmmm... I'm not big on horse drawn carriages in Disney parades, they just never seem to work alongside the bigger floats,
No fear, Candydog! Remember, they won't be real horses - merely comical illusions. As you can see from the concept art below , they have wheels! :)
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Quote from: "Glstitch"Another update : Queen of Hearts has been replaced by the White Rabbit
Are they not all walking with the cards together? I'm sure the White Rabbit was in the parade last time I saw it.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Quote from: "Glstitch"Another update : Queen of Hearts has been replaced by the White Rabbit
Are they not all walking with the cards together? I'm sure the White Rabbit was in the parade last time I saw it.
He only joined the parade in the first year of the parade , and sometimes during the high seasons. He's an addition (as the animals at the Lion King / Jungle Book float)
@InsideDLParis tweeted yesterday (//https://twitter.com/#!/InsideDLParis/status/175877931577516032) that Belle won't get her own carriage after all, which is a shame.
Quote from: "Anthony"@InsideDLParis tweeted yesterday (//https://twitter.com/#!/InsideDLParis/status/175877931577516032) that Belle won't get her own carriage after all, which is a shame.
Hmpf! So she's not on parade nor Stars and Cars. Hopefully she might be out more in the park to make up for it. Still a shame. =/
RE: Magic everywhere
Here's a better quality version of the song from another video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpWJNf3vY2U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpWJNf3vY2U%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
:evil: Bell is not on the parade anymore??!! I was hoping she might be anyway, after reading first she is not.WHY?
Aurora1
And now the full song has leaked - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAQo9_Qef4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAQo9_Qef4%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Quote from: "gldc"And now the full song has leaked - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAQo9_Qef4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAQo9_Qef4%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Seems like a good song I must say. Like the rhythm of it.
I really like it! The Press release cd is fantastic.
The parade version is even better...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99_nk2oY ... 7DC5FFECB5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99_nk2oY-9E&list=PL1781287DC5FFECB5%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
So is this just going to play on loop? I like it but I hope we get variations for each float.... people will get sick of it otherwise
Quote from: "wishuponastar"So is this just going to play on loop? I like it but I hope we get variations for each float.... people will get sick of it otherwise
Yes it's gonna be on loop but I wouldn't say that people will get sick of it, nobody complained about Dancin' A Cathy Rythm or the Just Like We Dreamed loop...
I'd be extremely disappointed in DLP entertainment if they were lazy enough to put it on repeat - especially after the amazing soundtrack the Once Upon a Dream Parade was treated to.
Quote from: "Glstitch"Quote from: "wishuponastar"So is this just going to play on loop? I like it but I hope we get variations for each float.... people will get sick of it otherwise
Yes it's gonna be on loop but I wouldn't say that people will get sick of it, nobody complained about Dancin' A Cathy Rythm or the Just Like We Dreamed loop...
I think if they went back to how it was with Dancin', people would be disappointed. Parades & their soundtracks have come a long way since the Wonderful World of Disney Parade. I know they did it for a short time with OUADP, and I would say peopel coped with it.
Yes it's a good song, but looping it will grate people eventually. Doing it in a Soundsational style, with the main chorus the same then medleys of the floats' films would work better in my opinion
Where the French "creatives" (creatives.. lol) are, the silly things are born.
That DLP division is the most absurd department I've ever seen. The most incompetent team in Disney history. Send those good-for-nothing guys to Astérix Park or Port Aventura, to "create" (to create.. lol) stupid, childish shows.
No matter how many lines have their curriculum. It's an European inferiority complex to give jobs just for those who can show a large academic record. But read something about how Steve Davison began, or Guy Laliberté (Cirque du Soleil). I'm sure there is more creative talent here in this forum than in the entire DLP Entertainment division.
Those guys don't have any feeling about Disney legend. Those guys don't know anything about show designing. They're simply destroying Disney savoir-faire.
This is not a funfair! It's a Disney theme park, the world's biggest entertainment company. Shame on you!
Though slightly dramatic, I couldn't agree with you more Lorum. I'm fed up with the pathetic shows put out by DLP's Entertainment department year after year, when other Disney Resorts around the world have world class entertainment. Do we even have any other Entertainment options this season other than Tarzan Encounter?
It's sad, but true.
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Is slightly worried what the parade floats will look like after seeing the new 20th Celebration train!
I can imagine the finale float looking horrendous now with splats of pink and purple everywhere, only time will tell.
Quote from: "littlemermaid83"Is slightly worried what the parade floats will look like after seeing the new 20th Celebration train!
Thankfully, the parade floats are being designed by the imagineers, instead.
The Magic On Parade has officially started at Disneyland Park and is been presented right now!
InsideDLParis
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Tinkerbell and Duffy also feature in the parade.
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Hmm... it's very Crush's Coaster isn't it? ;)
Quote from: "Columbiad"Hmm... it's very Crush's Coaster isn't it? ;)
They might had some rocks left :')
Quote from: "Columbiad"Hmm... it's very Crush's Coaster isn't it? ;)
Now that you mention it..... lol
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Have they taken Wendy off the Peter Pan float?
Quote from: "Josh"Thankfully, the parade floats are being designed by the imagineers, instead.
Where did you read that? Surely that opening float isn't designed by the imagineers, it's got DLP-entertainment written all over it.
So here it is... God the music is annoying!!
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The animatronics on the [strike:2gjwkymc]Dreams[/strike:2gjwkymc] Magic of Adventure float look very docile and lack purpose. I really think this new parade is lazy and lacks vision :?
The whizzing fairies at the start are pretty cool though :P
Thanks for the video! And yes, the music is annoying.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Quote from: "Josh"Thankfully, the parade floats are being designed by the imagineers, instead.
Where did you read that? Surely that opening float isn't designed by the imagineers, it's got DLP-entertainment written all over it.
Oh no wait. I thought that was given as the job title for the person talking about the parade in the behind-the-scenes video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_LcOBlQUY).
Note to self... take lil sis to see the first half, then when Snow white has gone run away before the song drives her to the point of kicking small children.
Would it have taken them too much effort to mix in some other music so the old floats don't look retarded?
Well, im not really sure i like the music, it doesnt give me the feelings i get for Once Upon a Dream but as i havent seen it for real yet i cant be fully sure, does sound a little bit annoying though. The new floats look good though.
It is lacking something thats for sure.
Don't feel impressed with this at all... yes it's good we've got faster paced music, but it hasn't improved the parade dramatically at all. It just feels so repetitive. Thought parades had moved away from this.
Overall I'm disappointed.
The way it all stopped halfway, I have a feeling this isn't presented at full quality. Hopefully we will see something a bit better for the 1st! I also LOVE the scooty costumes! How cute!
Photo and vidéo !
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Ah, there we go. I know the parade's not amazing, But better sound/picture quality and it's a whole lot better.
I think this parade is brillient, fabulous new floats an amazing characters and outfits :)
Shame about the repeated song on a loop, what about a small collection of songs ... Playlist maybe :)
I agree about the costumes! The finale dancers are BEAUTIFUL.
love the scooty costumes, they really look like they are hoovering across the floor :lol: !
erm .... what is Duffy doing in the parade - again?
Anyone else feel the need to start a petition for DLP to get a new Entertainment Department?
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Anyone else feel the need to start a petition for DLP to get a new Entertainment Department?
Definitely.
Quote from: "Elaine"[b]love the scooty costumes, they really look like they are hoovering across the floor :lol[/b]: !
erm .... what is Duffy doing in the parade - again?
Are they walking or riding something?? looks like new tech. I never saw that before, at any disney park.
I'm gonna hazard a guess and say that they are similar to Segways - see the way they lean slightly to move and steer?
I'm hoping the parade isnt shown in its full form at the moment and there i still some tweaking to do. i dont mind the song I actually quite like it as the characters are now dancing to one cohesive tune. However, cptn hook seemed very happy which didnt fit in with his character...
Also if this and the train are a taste of the 20th celebration then I just HOPE SO MUCH that Dreams doesnt let me down too. However that is a product of WDI and this isnt so we can only hope...
Quote from: "Festival Disney"Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Anyone else feel the need to start a petition for DLP to get a new Entertainment Department?
Definitely.
This is what fans should do. But here and now! This is another disappointment made in DLP's Entertainment Department. Move those people to Parc Astérix! I'm sick of all these stupid creations. It's simply a step backwards. Look at those bees, what is that?
I'm not a fan of the music, but I rather like the new opening float and finale float. It's nice to see a fab five float which isn't just a generic castle like in most parks. I also love the zooming fairies and wizards - not sure how it's done but it's pretty cool.
One thing I don't like however is the fact that the villains' float wasn't replaced by something else. I know that they added some carriages for the princesses who got kicked off their own float, but it still has left the parade rather short, with only seven actual floats. I think that they should have stripped down the villains' unit and rebuilt it into something brand new, like a Beauty and the Beast/Sleeping Beauty float or something (In keeping with the two halves to a float concept) and called it "The Magic of Beauty" or something. (Although that would be a very shallow name). The point is, adding a float wouldn't have been too big a stretch for the budget, what about a Sleeping Beauty/Snow White float? they'd fit well together.
I at least hope that if the villains' float has gone into retirement, it'll get an annual outing at Halloween as part of a pre-parade or something.
Gosh, so much disappointment and negativity. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing and a lot of hyperbole can be even worse.
Some people appear to have worked themselves up into a frenzy about the 20th anniversary parade.
Having only seen it in video form it s difficult to give a full opinion.
However: likes
1) the opening float is rather sweet and it is nice to introduce the magical characters
2) the princess carriages
3) the princess float
4) the rather zippy magical dancers
5) the end float with the fab five and Duffy (I like Duffy, always have done since he first appeared nearly 8 years ago)
Dislikes
1) the missing villains
2) er...
3) that's it
Quote from: "ford prefect"Gosh, so much disappointment and negativity. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing and a lot of hyperbole can be even worse.
Some people appear to have worked themselves up into a frenzy about the 20th anniversary parade.
Having only seen it in video form it s difficult to give a full opinion.
It has nothing to do with the floats, but we don't have to like everything just because it's from Disney. The parade doesn't look bad, it's just the annoying music. I didn't like it when I heard it for the first time on DLRPToday and I don't like it in the video above. Compared to the parade music loops we have had in recent years it is a disappointment. It's fine when people like it or don't, but it has nothing to do with knowledge or hyperbole. It has to do with tastes and thankfully people have different tastes.
Well, I agree with Dagobert, The tune is ok in itself but to repeat it three times during the parade just reflects laziness in the preparation! Disney has so much magic music that could have been worked in like the OUADP. This may also have helped with continuity.
Perhaps it will seem better when I see it live next month.
Agreed, we all have different tastes. What I fail to understand is why people are so disappointed.
DLRP, and for that matter Disney Parks elsewhere have always been fairly average with the musical content of shows.
Block Party Bash? Jammin Jungle Parade? Need Magic? All Around The World?
Neither are great bits of music, nor are they doing anything other than following a few simple Disney Rules.
A song must be vaguely repetitive and simple in order for it to stay in your mind. (Small World anyone?) The best parade song and the one I miss is Dancin A Catchy Rythm.
Lights Camera was a messy mash up that never worked, The Once Upon A Wish parade in Florida was equally cheesy.
Ths song will never be my favourite, but I will sing a long with it when I see the parade.
Fair comment Ford, my point is not that the music is bad, but that there does'nt seem to have been much effort put into the continuity of the song. it just seems to end, followed by a short break, and then off again! maybe this is a work in progress and I will be much happier when I see it next month!
I also miss Dancin' A Catchy Rythm and for me the best parade song was All Around the World for the Imaginations Parade of 2000. However Magic Everywhere fails for me. I can't really explain it. Maybe it would be different if the parade in general would have been brand new. They just replaced some floats and so when I see it JLWDI comes to mind.
I have to say that I have problems with nearly all Disney daytime parade soundtracks. I didn't like them at WDW and Just Like We Dreamed it wasn't that good either, while I think Disney has never failed with the nighttime parade soundtracks. Even SpectroMagic was okay.
I thought the cast did a fantastic job, there are no doubts about that. It is just the music on the constant loop and the cheap tacky flags attached onto the old floats. No need for it imo.
Also the new floats do not blend well with the others which makes it look a bit weird. It looks like a whole mish mash of a parade.
I'm sure it will grow on me......
Forgetting the music for now, the silly little flags with 20 on them look a silly! I love the way those fairies move and I am trying to work out how the prince & princesses carriages are controlled! I knew I would miss the villains float and the parade does look a little "light" without it! I also read somewhere that the Queen of hearts was being replaced with the white rabbitt, but I see them both together and hope that this will continue, it does'nt seem logical to drop a "main" character like her and leave the mad hatter in!
I agree about the flags, particularly the ones held by the giraffes!
Even the first float looks a silly.
I may be the only one here with that opinion, but I really really like the song a lot!!!
But then again I was never a fan of the music used in the OUPD...I liked the "Wonderful world of Disney parade" much more, mainly for the reason that they had just one song for the parade(Dancin a catchy rhythm). I think a "catchy tune" is necessary for a good parade, even if it`s repeated three times in a row. It does something to a parade, I always have the feeling "I am more into it then", i think it`s because of the constant beat of a song! And in my humble opinion a parade that is based on just one song creates a better mood in the audience. They start singing along, and dancing along, bacause the can`t "escape" the catchy song. However Dagobert is right, we all have different opinions....I just wanted to point out, that I like the concept of a parade with one song a looooooot more, and i look forward to seeing it in summer.
There is one downside to the parade for me though: the first float! I think it looks cheap and too "Barbie-ish"...
Oh well, that`s all i wanted to say:-))
I've found out what is happening. European Disney fans suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. Yes, we do.
Why?
It's quite easy. We haven't got the chance to see a real Disney parade. I know most of you will disagree, well, I'm getting used to it.
Evidences
· Music on loop.
· Dancers and Characters don't provide enthusiasm and proffesionalism.
· Characters make childish movements (yes, once again).
· First float looks like the Halloween Pre-Parade float.
Possible Problems
· Disneyland Paris Entertainment Department is the most incompetent creative team in the Walt Disney Company.
· The choreographer does not mesure up to the expectation. Well.. I'm not being fair. The choreographer has improved her choreographies.
· The dancers a bit insipid, dull or unexciting.
You can suggest more..
I would like you to watch this parade from begining to end.
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If you don't have enough time, watch this moments.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwwtOLSh_g#t=13m54s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwwtOLSh_g#t=13m54s%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Look at both drummers and dancers faces. They're happy. They're proud to dance on Main Street. There is an expression in Spanish "darlo todo" which means that people is giving or providing everything from themselves. And that's exactly what Americans do in their Disney parks. They're simply enjoying, don't you see?
There many great Cast Members at the Tower of Terror and The Phantom Manor who play their roles as professional actors, making special moments and memories. So it's obvious that the problem is the Entertainment Depatment.
We the European fans deserve better stage shows and parades. We enter this magic forum every single day in the hope that we would be able to see our park is improving. This story is not about negativity. This story is about disappoinment.
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Show in 1080p
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I have to say something good.
What I like from the dancers is that they've learned the lyrics and they actually sing. Not everything is bad.
I have written some comments in blue within your quoteQuote from: "Lorum"I've found out what is happening. European Disney fans suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. Yes, we do.
Wow, quite an assertion. I couldn't disagree more. I defend Disney because they entertain me and I like what they do, otherwise I would not visit DLRP 2 times a year
Why?
It's quite easy. We haven't got the chance to see a real Disney parade. I know most of you will disagree, well, I'm getting used to it.
Bunkum. I have seen real Disney Parades in USA and Paris.
Evidences
· Music on loop.
· Dancers and Characters don't provide enthusiasm and proffesionalism.
· Princesses are so upright.
· Characters make childish movements (yes, once again).
· First float looks like the Halloween Pre-Parade float.
Sorry, but I have never experienced anything other than pure professionalism from the Characters. The princess are (and I presume you meant upTight rather than upRight) charming and delightful. Characters make childish movements? If by that you mean they make universally understood gestures in a way that facilitates communication with all ages and nationalities then I completely agree and well done them.
Possible Problems
· Disneyland Paris Entertainment Department is the most incompetent creative team in the Walt Disney Company.Sweeping and unreasonable. Undoubtedly they have made mistakes (Mickey's Magical Party) however there have also been real gems
· The choreographer does not mesure up to the expectation. Well.. I'm not being fair. The choreographer has improved her choreographies. The problem now are..
· The dancers. Insipid, dull, unexciting people. Rude
· Casting Department for Dancers and Characters should disappear.
· Disney belongs to Americans. Never, Disney is American, however it has become part of world memory. If you truly believe that Disney belongs to Americans then you are siding with the initial opinions of DLP as a "culturel Chernobyl" a jingoistic opinion that was commonly expressed in the late 1980s early 90s about the resort
You can suggest more..
I would like you to watch this parade from begining to end.
Look at both drummers and dancers faces. They're happy. They're proud to dance on Main Street. There is an expression in Spanish "darlo todo" which means that people is giving or providing everything from themselves. And that's exactly what Americans do in their Disney parks. They're simply enjoying, don't you see?
There many great Cast Members at the Tower of Terror and The Phantom Manor who play their roles as professional actors, making special moments and memories. So it's obvious that the problem is the Entertainment Depatment.
We the European fans deserve better stage shows and parades. We enter this magic forum every single day in the hope that we would be able to see our park is improving. This story is not about negativity. This story is about disappoinment.
I think some of your comments are an insult to a lot of talented people who work long hours with low pay for the delight in performing.
Everyone will have different opinions about whether they like or dislike a production, however never insult the cast or production crew unless you understand the concept and the story or the circumstances of the production
WDW has produced its fair share of duff shows, the universally panned Block Party Bash being one of them. However even that was not without artistic merit. Disneyland Anaheim had a whole theme park which was derided. DLRP does generally a good job with limited resources in a crippling financial situation.
A little context is needed.
DLP owes billions, the Walt Disney Company is facing severe hardship after a series of expensive flops (John Carter et al) We are lucky that DLP is still trading, frankly.
I welcome your opinions and respect your right to express them, however please consider the feelings of the professional cast members involved, many of who read this forum.
I've watched the parade a few times and I really like it. I really like the song and think it creates the sense of celebration which is its intention. I love the new floats especially the hovering witches and Three fairies. I also love the princesses carriages and really would like to know how they have achieved that. Very clever!
I like how the choreography has been devised and think the choreography fits the song really well. This is the first showing of it so I imagine there will be changes made before it's grand opening this weekend.
I think all the cast members and performers did a great job and I feel strongly that we shouldn't be rude or disrespectful to them as they work long hours to perfect this parade and they all did a brilliant job!
Well said!
I think Lorum has a point. I agree with most of those points (exept with the actor-point because some CM's do show passion and exitment.) Let's just give my quick review , it probably will change when I've actually seen the parade but :
The three flying fairies look cool ! (I wish Lightning McQueen had that speed in MASS ;d) The float itself looks good exept for the plastich Barbie looking castle , then I'm not speaking about the golden elements and sign. The carriages look ok (for the person who was thinking about where's the driver -> I think he's in the horse...) . Weird decision to keep and even add Villains (Queen of Hearts and Hook) because they don't fit in the theme and storytelling of the parade. I never liked the dancers with the Magic/Dreams of Adventure float...even not when there holding a stick. The one thing I really like is the last float they did an amzing job on that but then they put Duffy on it ?? - (I like Duffy btw but only for M'n'G and merchandising). Love Tink but she looks uncomfterbale.
I did think inside the horse but thought the space wouldn't be big enough for a person. Maybe I am wrong as they may be much bigger bigger in real life then on the video. The villians in the parade I was surprised about I have to admit after hearing the story of the parade especially with Hook replacing Wendy. Tinkerbell did look a bit cramped in that small space. I hope they don't take her out of the parade though as it was a lovely addition to the end of the parade.
If you all think what I'm doing here is just insulting people, I won't participate on this forum anymore. Believe me.
@ford prefect. In fact, you are the one who insults and says "Rude, bunkums,..".
Quote from: "ford prefect"you are siding with the initial opinions of DLP as a "culturel Chernobyl" a jingoistic opinion that was commonly expressed in the late 1980s early 90s about the resort
No comments. I want to think you didn't understand "Disney belongs to Americans", and I'm not going to blame you for it. But I think this is another insult.
If you respect my comments, then prove it. Demagogy is dangerous. Popural, but dangerous.
Sometimes, we must say the bad things. If a dancer or a character is reading, they must know what we think. I'm not a hypocrite. I wouldn't make their job better, because I'm unable. Now, they're our last hope. And this is not a NGO.
What I said about Cast Members at ToT and PM is that they are truly great actors. They actually do a great job. The problem is the Entertainment Department, but not the dancers or the characters.
I really don't think we should be bashing Cast Memebers, they have to work with what they are given and I think they did and always do a fantastic job on the parade.
Quote from: "littlemermaid83"they have to work with what they are given
That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not bashing Cast Members.
Quote from: "Lorum"Quote from: "littlemermaid83"they have to work with what they are given
That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not bashing Cast Members.
You practically said they look fed up and unhappy compared to the performers in Soundsational. I believe that to be utter nonsense. They put on a good show despite what peoples views about the overall parade may be.
Lorum, this is not personal, please believe me when I say that I respect your opinion greatly.
However I am not insulting anyone by using the word Rude in reference to your description of the dancers as "dull, insipid, unexciting people"
Bunkum: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bunkum (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bunkum%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
I hope your comment was meant in jest. Bunkum simply refers to political grandstanding to make a point.
It is not an insult, merely another way of describing a slight form of adverse comment.
Politicising this debate by flinging accusations of demagogy misses the point.
Early European commentators were fond of referring to EuroDisney as a cultural Chernobyl due to concerns of a pollution of European values by what was perceived at the time to be American Vacuousness. By describing Disney as being for Americans it appeared that you were subscribing to a similar view point.
If that is not your meaning then accept my apologies and perhaps you would be able to expound on that comment.
Quote from: "littlemermaid83"Quote from: "Lorum"Quote from: "littlemermaid83"they have to work with what they are given
That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not bashing Cast Members.
You practically said they look fed up and unhappy compared to the performers in Soundsational. I believe that to be utter nonsense. They put on a good show despite what peoples views about the overall parade may be.
And it may be because they are also the victims of the "new parade".
First post for me , been reading this forum for a while now, decided to join:)
I'm a bit disappointed by the parade, the first float is a let down for me, it just looks so small and cheap :(
The last float, I could grow to like it if it had been a totally new float , but if I compare that float to the original one, then it's another let down for me if you think back to how magical and classy the original float was.
And last but certainly not least, I'm mostly disappointed by the length the parade is these days , just 12 mins!
I miss the old days of Disneyland Paris of long(er) parades, and huge floats.
They don't need to get back to the size of the early days, cus them floats where as high as the buildings in main street, but seems the floats are getting to be so small these days, which personally for me is a let down.
The things I did like are the floating fairies and floating 20th anniversary street performers, wow very nice and magical!
My little one saw that and said wow disney really has magical fairies daddy.
And the carraiges are also verry charming, I wish they would have done a Beauty And The Beast one to, cus I do miss them in the parade.
As how those are operated, here is my guess.
In the HD video could see the prince has his feet on 2 pedals, so I assume he steers left and right with them, and that the speed of the carraiges is preset at the same slow speed, and if need to stop that the prince will remove both feet of the pedals which will trigger a complete stop.
Welcome to the forum! It isn't always such a polemic!
Quote from: "ford prefect"Lorum, this is not personal, please believe me when I say that I respect your opinion greatly.
However I am not insulting anyone by using the word Rude in reference to your description of the dancers as "dull, insipid, unexciting people"
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I hope your comment was meant in jest. Bunkum simply refers to political grandstanding to make a point.
It is not an insult, merely another way of describing a slight form of adverse comment.
Politicising this debate by flinging accusations of demagogy misses the point.
Early European commentators were fond of referring to EuroDisney as a cultural Chernobyl due to concerns of a pollution of European values by what was perceived at the time to be American Vacuousness. By describing Disney as being for Americans it appeared that you were subscribing to a similar view point.
If that is not your meaning then accept my apologies and perhaps you would be able to expound on that comment.
What I think is that I hurt you because of the dancers' description. It wasn't my intention. The thing is they are also the victims of this "new" creation. They deserve a great parade.
I meant that Disney is something that, in a way, Europeans (not the fans) fail to understand. Americans learn that lesson from childhood. I have to say that I felt personally offended with that comment. It politized the debate and that's dangerous. It wasn't my fault.
I accept your apologies. And don't think I was trying to insult or offend anyone, because it wasn't my intention. But not everything in life is flowers, gardens, peace and blue skies.
Quote from: "Lorum"What I think is that I hurt you because of the dancers' description. It wasn't my intention. The thing is they are also the victims of this "new" creation. They deserve a great parade.
I meant that Disney is something that, in a way, Europeans (not the fans) fail to understand. Americans learn that lesson from childhood. I have to say that I felt personally offended with that comment. It politized the debate and that's dangerous. It wasn't my fault.
I am sorry you felt personally offended. That certainly was not my intention. We both managed to politicise this debate.
Europeans
DO understand DIsney, as is proved by the impressive park attendance figures and the debunking of the cultural chernobyl articles.
Similar French icons (such as the wonderful Asterix) and Belgian (TinTin) have failed to capture the imagination in the same way. Parc Asterix could only dream of the gates that DLP has.
BTW I love Parc Asterix, it is a beautiful park.
Anyway, I think we have exhausted this topic. My apologies if you have been offended.
I think Europeans understand Disney as a company focused on children. We're changing, but there is still a long way. That's my opinion.
Returning on-topic, I want to say something. This is the first parade for a long time in which performers sing. They are the only who can save this parade. It's hard, but they must do it.
Quote from: "Lorum"I think Europeans understand Disney as a company focused on children. We're changing, but there is still a long way. That's my opinion.
Returning on-topic, I want to say something. This is the first parade for a long time in which performers sing. They are the only who can save this parade. It's hard, but they must do it.
You definitely got a point here. I have the same opinion about Europeans thinking that Disney is a company focused on children. When I have studied in the US, I really enjoyed the Adult Disney offerings in the US. There the people have another view on Disney. Disney is part of their holiday culture and it's also much more present in the everyday life. The US resorts do a lot more to cater adults, for example the annual Food and Wine Festival or the bars and nightclubs at DTD. DLRP had always a good balance when it comes to attractions and I think this year they improved in terms of merchandise, because there are products for everyone.
The Disney company in general changed under Iger. He favours franchises and relying on existing products, like Pixar, Marvel or Avatar, than taking a risk and trying something new. Eisner in his early days was very creative and liked taking risks. Unfortunately his biggest risk DLRP turned out to be a financial failure and with Frank Wells' death he lost track. I also think that having no Disney family member in the comapny anymore, favoured Iger's love for franchises. Although Cars Land is also based on a franchise, at least it is very well executed and attracts kids and adults, while I think DLP's recent additions, like TSPL, which is also based on a franchise is more focused on children.
Now back on topic, because it has been discussed here several times and we all here will never agree when it comes to Disney for children only or Disney for all.
Disney for all!
Quote from: "ford prefect"Welcome to the forum! It isn't always such a polemic!
Hehe thanks :)
I like Disney Magic on Parade. I can't think of much to say about it except it gives a 5 year old parade a fresh look. I like the floating faires and 20th anniversary characters. Music and choreography work well together and they've got rid of the terrible juglers.
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Quote from: "ed-uk"I like Disney Magic on Parade. I can't think of much to say about it except it gives a 5 year old parade a fresh look. I like the floating faires and 20th anniversary characters. Music and choreography work well together and they've got rid of the terrible juglers.
=D> :thumbs:
Quote from: "ed-uk"I like Disney Magic on Parade. I can't think of much to say about it except it gives a 5 year old parade a fresh look. I like the floating faires and 20th anniversary characters. Music and choreography work well together and they've got rid of the terrible juglers.
That's true. But you look so conformist.
I don't know what you mean by conformist, and why the big letters?
I don't actually know what's the matter with me. Everything I say is a cause for concern. lol :lol:
The big letters are because I wanted to indicate where I agree.
Conformist is because it seems that you didn't expect anything from the new parade.
Does seem a disappointment ,this is a very important year for DLP.
Why ruin a good parade .
They should have kept the old parade just added a 20th sign and instead brought back the original goose bump parade MSEP.
I wasn't going to watch any of the videos on the new parade as I wanted to be "surprised" when I saw it live in two weeks - oh boy I would have been surprised.
Overall I think that most people are being "a little" harsh on the Entertainment department - yes there are somethings that need to be improved - but over all it's not THAT bad.
First things first - Yes, the Fairies and other dancers that are on wheels do look funny and slightly creepy - however it's unique! I've never seen anything like that used in a Disney parade before (unless there is somewhere like Tokyo)
2) The music loop is RIDICULOUS! Even after the third loop I was about to go mad - yes it forced it into my brain so now I'm singing it as I type - but over all - The song is a nice Show-stop song - not a loop song. I thought they could easily make a new score - or even use the same one just adjust for the new order...
which brings me into the third point -
3) I personally love the Princesses, but I feel like they just shoved them at the beginning to get them out the way. I thought each "coach" would be one behind the other - not so close together. Also poor Tiana and Naveen look squished up there. Nice to see Flynn and Punzel though.
4) The first float looks pretty all right to me - looks empty though. They could have easily placed the three-good fairys on and had some "introduction" 20th dancers or something.
5) I find it odd that some characters have been pushed off some floats (Jessie, Bert, Pinocchio) Mixing them with the Dancers looked odd.
6) Massive improvement of the dancers! I love the energy they give off - all of them. Some of the choreography is a little - Daf*k? But overall - a nice vibe!
7) The final float does look amazingly decorated - I don't mind the addition Duffy - I just found it random having Tinkerbell on the back of it! MOVE HER TO THE FIRST FLOAT!
But yeah - I felt a bit disappointed at first - then I got happy again and felt the energy in the middle - then slowly lost it because I was becoming brain-washed with the song.
I still cannot wait for this in two weeks - I hope they iron out some of the kinks before the start of the celebration though.
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I must be missing something because I don't even see any kinks. I'm sure they will make some changes, maybe the faires won't float on rainy days. For me it makes a refreshing change and I'm looking forward to taking some new pictures of the parade. I'm not disappointed because I don't view it as a new parade really.
I didn't have very high expectations, but it does look a little lacking. Besides the fun segways, which are a really clever idea to make the fairies float, there don't seem to be enough additions to make it feel truly refreshed.
The princess carriages are gorgeous, but the opening float has unfortunately gone from being one of my all-time favourite DLP parade floats to a really weak opening. The placement of the castle, the pumpkin... it just doesn't really work, and it's visually dull. It could maybe be improved simply by adding some kind of colourful "Magic on Parade" logo to make it feel more official. At the moment with the awkward, off-model castle it reminds me of those Chinese imitation parks.
Quote from: "alternativerock123"7) The final float does look amazingly decorated - I don't mind the addition Duffy - I just found it random having Tinkerbell on the back of it! MOVE HER TO THE FIRST FLOAT!
Even better, move her to the Magic of Fantasy float so she can tease the pirates in front of the ship, while Peter Pan fights Captain Hook on the deck!
Maybe most of the budget has gone on Dreams and they've compromised on the parade. Now a new parade for the 20th, that really would have been something.
Yes, I presume the budgets are at completely opposite ends of the scale.
A new parade wasn't really necessary for the 20th. Personally I still loved Once Upon a Dream Parade and would have been happy for it to continue with the same, original floats. The name always had to change as soon as they decided on "Dreams" for the nighttime spectacular, but it's a shame that apparently meant destroying the opening float.
Keeping the villains float and putting money into a brand new float (say, for Tangled and Up, as a nice down/up contrast) would have been a better improvement. I can't be sure yet that this "Magic on Parade" makeover hasn't just jumbled up a top-quality parade. Though as usual, it'll probably play far better to your average visitor, someone who isn't familiar with the original parade and doesn't constantly draw contrasts.
Quote from: "candydog"I'm not a fan of the music, but I rather like the new opening float and finale float. It's nice to see a fab five float which isn't just a generic castle like in most parks. I also love the zooming fairies and wizards - not sure how it's done but it's pretty cool.
One thing I don't like however is the fact that the villains' float wasn't replaced by something else. I know that they added some carriages for the princesses who got kicked off their own float, but it still has left the parade rather short, with only seven actual floats. I think that they should have stripped down the villains' unit and rebuilt it into something brand new, like a Beauty and the Beast/Sleeping Beauty float or something (In keeping with the two halves to a float concept) and called it "The Magic of Beauty" or something. (Although that would be a very shallow name). The point is, adding a float wouldn't have been too big a stretch for the budget, what about a Sleeping Beauty/Snow White float? they'd fit well together.
I at least hope that if the villains' float has gone into retirement, it'll get an annual outing at Halloween as part of a pre-parade or something.
Just to add a few notes to my original post - I can see how people wouldn't like the new opening float. It looks fine to me but not as pretty as the design we saw a while ago. It's nice to see classic characters like the three good fairies and Merlin getting an outing though!
I only noticed Tinkerbell after posting this as well - I think it's cute that they put her in the little cubby where figment (?) used to be, but she does look a little odd squeezed in there, especially seeing as in recent years she has become quite a high-profile character. To keep her on that particular float, they could have moved her up to the ledge on the very back, behind but just slightly below Mickey, or even fixed something like a swing onto the back for her to sit in. Alternatively, she could have been placed on the opening float.
Also, I didn't see Pluto in the parade? Is he there? If not, he should really be in Duffy's place next to Goofy on the finale float. Duffy is a great character and addition to the parks I'm sure, but he's not one of the VIPs yet.
I like the finale float with Mickey Mouse perched on top watching over his kingdom and the floating wizards are a great addition. The opening float doesn't look as good as the original, but with the floating fairies and royal carriages the front of the parade looks better to me.
Tinkerbell had been removed from the parade yesterday and Donald was sat in her place.
We must be honest. This is not a great parade. The Castle is in its place, at the end of Main Street. It shouldn't have been reproduced in a float, because it looks like the Pre-Parade Halloween float.
They have understood the word "Magic" as "Magician", and not in the Disney meaning. It's not a Carnival. If you don't have enough budget, then don't make cheap updates.
200 posts!
Well... I really like the subtle little "innovations" like the three fairies' movement or the way the princesses' chariots are steered.
If they were to change one single thing, though, the castle's design should definitely be revised. I suppose it'll look even worse in front of the real castle.
But would many people compare the castle float to the original? The castle is the symbol of DLP, so why not feature it on a float to celebrate the parks 20th birthday.
In the DLRP Today article for Magic On Parade, it said that the parade has a show stop. Where is it? Thanks!
Hi, I'm new to this forum but been reading it for some time now. I have to say that I love the new parade. Seeing it on youtube, the opening float hasn't bothered me. What has is the fact that Pluto and Daisy have been replaced by Duffy. It actually bothers me so much that on dlrptoday's story i've called Duffy an abomination. I'm sorry, but at Christmas, by all means let him ionto the parades and such, but to remove 2 VIP characters, in order to put a bear there, I'm sorry that is so wrong. So very wrong. My life revolves around my son, and Disney. And to see this it's actually really really upset me.
Bad notes aside, I absolutely love the segways, I love the fianle float, and I love that Rapunzel is now in the parade. It's disappointing to lose 2 of the princesses, but you never know they might pop up somewhere there in the future.
Tinkerbell, now, on the pictures I saw before the video, I thought that was a model. Then I saw the video and I have to say she looks so cramped in there. Get her with Peter Pan in her Neverland roots :) And to hear they had Donald in there yesterday, the poor cast member in that costume having to squeeze in there. wow.
It's early days yet though I suppose, and this is what this week is for, to see what works in front of the crowd and move things about. Lets hope on the launch, it'll all be a lot more magical!
Quote from: "ed-uk"But would many people compare the castle float to the original? The castle is the symbol of DLP, so why not feature it on a float to celebrate the parks 20th birthday.
Sure, why not, if it's done well! It doesn't have to look real but at least use an appealing design.
Getting fed up of hearing all the Duffy bashing. We need to be able to embrace change and its good to see new characters on the parade.
its good to see new characters but not when they're being prioritised over major characters. most people dopnt even know who Duffy is! A lot of people I know have seen the videos and said who on earth is that? It's just really upsetting that they've made room for a bear that okay maybe loads have heard of him, but the majority havent. I go to Disneyland every single year and I've never seen him before! Other than christmas photos and videos. I'm sorry I'm just really really upset and let down that he's there, and that means Pluto and Daisy have been shoved aside
Quote from: "Auroura86"its good to see new characters but not when they're being prioritised over major characters. most people dopnt even know who Duffy is! A lot of people I know have seen the videos and said who on earth is that? It's just really upsetting that they've made room for a bear that okay maybe loads have heard of him, but the majority havent. I go to Disneyland every single year and I've never seen him before! Other than christmas photos and videos. I'm sorry I'm just really really upset and let down that he's there, and that means Pluto and Daisy have been shoved aside
Well the only way for people to get to know him is to get him out there like they do with other new Disney characters. How do new characters stand a chance when all they do is get bashed and insulted?
Daisy and Pluto have not been pushed aside, for once Daisy wasn't even in DOUD parade. You can see them both on the new celebration train.
I know she wasn't in DOUD parade, but when we saw the promo pics for this year that had Daisy and Pluto on there, we just really looked forward to seeing her. I know they're both on the train, but They should be with the other VIP characters on that parade, even if it's walking not on the float. you know?
And most people I know cant afford to get to the parks. They view videos and can't get their heads around why there's a random bear there.
I'm starting to come round to the idea, i'd just much rather see him not on that particular float.
Don't get me wrong, he's cute, and he's a character. But in what? The parks yes but not much else.
Quote from: "Auroura86"I know she wasn't in DOUD parade, but when we saw the promo pics for this year that had Daisy and Pluto on there, we just really looked forward to seeing her. I know they're both on the train, but They should be with the other VIP characters on that parade, even if it's walking not on the float. you know?
And most people I know cant afford to get to the parks. They view videos and can't get their heads around why there's a random bear there.
I'm starting to come round to the idea, i'd just much rather see him not on that particular float.
Don't get me wrong, he's cute, and he's a character. But in what? The parks yes but not much else.
Even if someone cant afford to go to the park there is enough information out there on Duffy. He isn't a "random" bear he has a back story, which people seem to forget about.
I know alot of people think he is a money making bear, but lets not forget the whole Disney franchise is about making money.
Concept art is just that, concept art that is subject to change.
I'm really happy he is being featured on the parade.
The thing is, to many, he is just that, a random bear. They don't know who he is so haven't looked up his back story before going. even my fiance is now asking me who the bear is. I know it's kind of sad that there's a few of us "bashing" him, but at the end of the day, that float should have always been for the key Disney characters. I don't want to bash him. And really I am extremely sorry for what I called him, but I was very peed off when I saw he was there, and 2 of the main characters, ones that mean so much to so many people, much more than Duffy does right now, and much more than he probably ever will (unless he gets some heavy publicity in films and such).
Pluto and Daisy are iconic characters. I just think it would be nice if we could have them both in this parade
I'm really shocked they're allowing this to be seen from within the park, talk about ruining the magic.
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Quote from: "15MagicalYears"I'm really shocked they're allowing this to be seen from within the park, talk about ruining the magic.
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Ouch! That is horrible to see, I hope they get that sorted soon :( What a magic-killer!
Also, have just watched the full parade on Youtube - I felt like I'd 'got into it' by about the Winnie the Pooh float, but before that it felt weirdly awkward and (I don't mean this to sound mean or anything) the start seems really unimpressive :( I like the idea of the fairies floating and it looks great, but just not to start it off, I don't think. It kind of seems to start off really uncertainly and then edge into the parade a bit more as it goes along. I don't like how the song repeats three times, either. I'm sure I'll love it when I'm there, because it's always more impressive in person, but watching the Once Upon a Dream parade had me in tears (good tears) whenever I watched it on Youtube, and this just doesn't have the same vibe for me :(
Visitors definitely shouldn't see that. Sometimes it feels the park just opened because of such mistakes.
Will that bear stay in the parade or was he just a one time replacement? Sorry to all who like him, but I can't stand Duffy and wish he wouldn't be part of the Disney universe.
Just out of interest, does anyone know if Duffy is a success at DLRP? From what I've read in the US he is still not that popular. In Tokyo people are crazy about him and I've never seen such long lines of people wanting to meet him.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"I'm really shocked they're allowing this to be seen from within the park, talk about ruining the magic.
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I can't think of a single parade in the last 10 years where this hasn't been seen. If you want to see that and you are looking that way after the parade, you will see it.
There's little magic being broken here, Mickey is simply getting helped off the float because it is so high up. Correct me if I'm wrong but mickey can't fly, most kids know that? It's reasonable for him to get a bit of help? ;-)
With Meet Mickey we are going to go "backstage" to his makeup room. This is just another time Mickey is backstage going about his normal business... ;-)
Quote from: "dagobert"Will that bear stay in the parade or was he just a one time replacement? Sorry to all who like him, but I can't stand Duffy and wish he wouldn't be part of the Disney universe.
Just out of interest, does anyone know if Duffy is a success at DLRP? From what I've read in the US he is still not that popular. In Tokyo people are crazy about him and I've never seen such long lines of people wanting to meet him.
I don't know.
I don't mind if he remains or not, but obviously Pluto and Daisy should be in the parade. We must remember that the characters has no feelings. The person inside the character doesn't mind being Duffy or Pluto. Evidently, there are people for Mickey, for Pluto and for every Disney character, but we are trying to humanize the characters, and we shouldn't. It's true there are people inside and they have a great fondness for one of them in particular, but hey, we're treating them like gods. They're characters!
Quote from: "Lorum"Quote from: "dagobert"Will that bear stay in the parade or was he just a one time replacement? Sorry to all who like him, but I can't stand Duffy and wish he wouldn't be part of the Disney universe.
Just out of interest, does anyone know if Duffy is a success at DLRP? From what I've read in the US he is still not that popular. In Tokyo people are crazy about him and I've never seen such long lines of people wanting to meet him.
I don't know. I don't mind if he remains or not, but obviously Pluto and Daisy should be in the parade. We must remember that the characters has no feelings. The person inside the character doesn't mind being Duffy or Pluto. Evidently, there are people for Mickey, for Pluto and for every Disney character, but we are trying to humanize the characters, and we shouldn't. It's true there are people inside and they have a great fondness for one of them in particular, but hey, we're treating them like gods. They're characters!
There's people inside the characters? Mickey isn't real? :shock:
Quote from: "littlemermaid83"Quote from: "Lorum"Quote from: "dagobert"Will that bear stay in the parade or was he just a one time replacement? Sorry to all who like him, but I can't stand Duffy and wish he wouldn't be part of the Disney universe.
Just out of interest, does anyone know if Duffy is a success at DLRP? From what I've read in the US he is still not that popular. In Tokyo people are crazy about him and I've never seen such long lines of people wanting to meet him.
I don't know. I don't mind if he remains or not, but obviously Pluto and Daisy should be in the parade. We must remember that the characters has no feelings. The person inside the character doesn't mind being Duffy or Pluto. Evidently, there are people for Mickey, for Pluto and for every Disney character, but we are trying to humanize the characters, and we shouldn't. It's true there are people inside and they have a great fondness for one of them in particular, but hey, we're treating them like gods. They're characters!
There's people inside the characters? Mickey isn't real? :shock:
No comments.
The characters are as real as I am. Disney is a world of fantasy and I believe in Mickey the same way I believe in Santa Claus. A willing suspension of disbelief is required.
A lift to help Mickey off the float doesn't shatter illusions.
Photographing backstage does shatter illusions and discussing the motivations of an actor also shatters illusions in this environment.
It is a convention of Disney Cast members in America to call such actors "friends of mickey" or whatever character they happen to be friends with.
In such a way we can all enjoy a fantasy world!
As I posted a backstage picture, it does shatter illusions.
As I wrote something about the actors, it does shatter illusions.
Lorum why so much negativity!?
No! Don't think so! It makes me laugh.. Because everything is around my comments. I don't know why. If someone says the same, you don't make a comment. But if it is me, you do. :lol:
Quote from: "Lorum"As I posted a backstage picture, it does shatter illusions.
As I wrote something about the actors, it does shatter illusions.
Quote from: "Lorum"No! Don't think so! It makes me laugh.. Because everything is around my comments. I don't know why. If someone says the same, you don't make a comment. But if it is me, you do. :lol:
Ok, I am puzzled.
You really are taking things too personally.
You didn't post the picture of the lift which was taken from an onstage viewpoint of a cast member helping Mickey into position. There is no issue with that at all. A backstage area has not been photographed.
Neither did you initiate the discussion about illusions being shattered.
I presume the picture you are referring to is that picture of the inside of the dreams control room. I had assumed that matter had been settled and clarified some time ago.
With reference to the friends of characters. I did not quote your comment as more than one person had mentioned the point.
You had raised the valid point that a person can be friends with more than one character and not care which is their "best friend".
The point I was trying to make is that an actor will always believe in the character they are portraying whether it is Hamlet or Captain Hook. There is no difference between an actor in Hamlet and an actor in a Disney production.
The production can be on a stage or in a parade. The idea is to make us believe in that character.
In order for us to believe we have to anthropomorphasize that character. This is the only point where we disagree.
We should humanise the characters in the same way we humanise the cast of Eastenders.
Please do not assume that any post following something written by you is an attack on you. Surely the idea of a forum is to discuss different ideas.
It is perfectly possible to "attack a post". However I promise you that I will never attack the person posting it.
I will say it again, it is not personal.
Quote from: "ford prefect"The characters are as real as I am. Disney is a world of fantasy and I believe in Mickey the same way I believe in Santa Claus. A willing suspension of disbelief is required.
A lift to help Mickey off the float doesn't shatter illusions.
Photographing backstage does shatter illusions and discussing the motivations of an actor also shatters illusions in this environment.
It is a convention of Disney Cast members in America to call such actors "friends of mickey" or whatever character they happen to be friends with.
In such a way we can all enjoy a fantasy world!
well said
Quote from: "candydog"Also, I didn't see Pluto in the parade? Is he there? If not, he should really be in Duffy's place next to Goofy on the finale float. Duffy is a great character and addition to the parks I'm sure, but he's not one of the VIPs yet.
thats exactly what my 10-year old said when we watched the youtube clips - Duffy is in Pluto's place!
my son has now said who's that while pointing at Duffy, and has asked where's Pluto.
i know I bashed Duffy extremely earlier - and I am apologetic; but it's like I said before, only die hard fans of the parks know who he is. Most don't, therefore I stand by the belief that he should be removed from that float, and Pluto and Daisy kept in as per promo images. By all means keep Duffy, but move him to walking or somewhere else
Lorum, will you please think before you post as there are children who read these comments. Let's not spoil the magic for them. ;)
Quote from: "ford prefect"The characters are as real as I am. Disney is a world of fantasy and I believe in Mickey the same way I believe in Santa Claus. A willing suspension of disbelief is required.
A lift to help Mickey off the float doesn't shatter illusions.
Photographing backstage does shatter illusions and discussing the motivations of an actor also shatters illusions in this environment.
It is a convention of Disney Cast members in America to call such actors "friends of mickey" or whatever character they happen to be friends with.
In such a way we can all enjoy a fantasy world!
I agree, my friends all say I live in a fantasy world.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"I'm really shocked they're allowing this to be seen from within the park, talk about ruining the magic.
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Wow... I know a few people have said this photo isn't "breaking the magic" because Mickey is simply being "helped off the float", but in my opinion it really does break the illusion, and is highly unprofessional. A company like Disney who value the importance of creating a magical on-stage world surely should not be letting this happen. We all know the extent that Disney goes to in order to ensure nothing considered "backstage" can be seen by guests. This photo is just really surprising! I'm sure this won't be the protocol every day. I'd like to think that they had a reason for doing this. Maybe there was something wrong with the float and the crew had to get the cast members off right away?
There have been "high" floats before and characters were never loaded on and off where the guests could see them. I'm sure it was just a one-off.
Mickey getting off a float using a crane may not break the magic and illusion of his character, but it does make the parade appear far less magical and far more mechanical.
Quote from: "candydog"Quote from: "15MagicalYears"I'm really shocked they're allowing this to be seen from within the park, talk about ruining the magic.
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Mickey getting off a float using a crane may not break the magic and illusion of his character, but it does make the parade appear far less magical and far more mechanical.
Quote from: "candydog"Quote from: "15MagicalYears"I'm really shocked they're allowing this to be seen from within the park, talk about ruining the magic.
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Wow... I know a few people have said this photo isn't "breaking the magic" because Mickey is simply being "helped off the float", but in my opinion it really does break the illusion, and is highly unprofessional. A company like Disney who value the importance of creating a magical on-stage world surely should not be letting this happen. We all know the extent that Disney goes to in order to ensure nothing considered "backstage" can be seen by guests. This photo is just really surprising! I'm sure this won't be the protocol every day. I'd like to think that they had a reason for doing this. Maybe there was something wrong with the float and the crew had to get the cast members off right away?
There have been "high" floats before and characters were never loaded on and off where the guests could see them. I'm sure it was just a one-off.
Mickey getting off a float using a crane may not break the magic and illusion of his character, but it does make the parade appear far less magical and far more mechanical.
Well thank the lord above that he did not take his hat off (head) and then get down. They will have a few hic-ups, these are only soft openings, I asure you it has probably happened before it's just no one has seen it.
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Rant over ;)
But why did they replace Tink with donald that's what I want to know :)
Quote from: "thebritishfrog"There's little magic being broken here, Mickey is simply getting helped off the float because it is so high up. Correct me if I'm wrong but mickey can't fly, most kids know that? It's reasonable for him to get a bit of help? ;-)
With Meet Mickey we are going to go "backstage" to his makeup room. This is just another time Mickey is backstage going about his normal business... ;-)
I do see what you mean actually! Didn't think of it like that!
Quote from: "candydog"Mickey getting off a float using a crane may not break the magic and illusion of his character, but it does make the parade appear far less magical and far more mechanical.
I think that's what it is - it kind of distracts from the magical elements of it all. I know Mickey would need some help getting down but I wish he was getting helped down on a cloud or something by Donald and Minnie, instead of on a mechanical thing by two men, ya know? :oops:
Quote from: "ford prefect"Quote from: "Lorum"As I posted a backstage picture, it does shatter illusions.
As I wrote something about the actors, it does shatter illusions.
Quote from: "Lorum"No! Don't think so! It makes me laugh.. Because everything is around my comments. I don't know why. If someone says the same, you don't make a comment. But if it is me, you do. :lol:
Ok, I am puzzled.
You really are taking things too personally.
You didn't post the picture of the lift which was taken from an onstage viewpoint of a cast member helping Mickey into position. There is no issue with that at all. A backstage area has not been photographed.
Neither did you initiate the discussion about illusions being shattered.
I presume the picture you are referring to is that picture of the inside of the dreams control room. I had assumed that matter had been settled and clarified some time ago.
With reference to the friends of characters. I did not quote your comment as more than one person had mentioned the point.
You had raised the valid point that a person can be friends with more than one character and not care which is their "best friend".
The point I was trying to make is that an actor will always believe in the character they are portraying whether it is Hamlet or Captain Hook. There is no difference between an actor in Hamlet and an actor in a Disney production.
The production can be on a stage or in a parade. The idea is to make us believe in that character.
In order for us to believe we have to anthropomorphasize that character. This is the only point where we disagree.
We should humanise the characters in the same way we humanise the cast of Eastenders.
Please do not assume that any post following something written by you is an attack on you. Surely the idea of a forum is to discuss different ideas.
It is perfectly possible to "attack a post". However I promise you that I will never attack the person posting it.
I will say it again, it is not personal.
OMG! I was joking!!!! :D/ I had a hydraulics exam today! That's the before-an-exam humor.
I hope your exam went well!
So do I! :lol: Thanks!
Quote from: "candydog"Quote from: "15MagicalYears"I'm really shocked they're allowing this to be seen from within the park, talk about ruining the magic.
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(Photo from DisneyCentralPlaza forum).
Wow... I know a few people have said this photo isn't "breaking the magic" because Mickey is simply being "helped off the float", but in my opinion it really does break the illusion, and is highly unprofessional. A company like Disney who value the importance of creating a magical on-stage world surely should not be letting this happen. We all know the extent that Disney goes to in order to ensure nothing considered "backstage" can be seen by guests. This photo is just really surprising! I'm sure this won't be the protocol every day. I'd like to think that they had a reason for doing this. Maybe there was something wrong with the float and the crew had to get the cast members off right away?
There have been "high" floats before and characters were never loaded on and off where the guests could see them. I'm sure it was just a one-off.
Mickey getting off a float using a crane may not break the magic and illusion of his character, but it does make the parade appear far less magical and far more mechanical.
Sorry to disagree but, if you stand in that position and wait after every parade you can see it. (Even some parades before they start..)
Fantillusions you see this, Princess Parade/wonderful world - you saw every princess do this, Once upon a dream - this and you saw the glass castle of the last float being lowered into the float, not great but hey. There is limited space back there... they do the best they can and if you watch mickey is still mickey until you can't see him at all! ;-)
It's not new at all, you just need to be inclined to look...
(source: 5 years working in the parade department ;-) )
I am sure I read somewhere they are planning to reverse the route. Perhaps this is one reason why?
(Edited for spelling) :oops:
You mean to reverse? That's what happened to Fantillusion, if I'm right.
Whoops! Thank you! I did mean REVERSE instead of RESERVE.
I have edited the post!
I think the parade is already starting from Main Street, well thats what I heard anyway. I don't like the parade starting from there.
Quote from: "ford prefect"I am sure I read somewhere they are planning to reverse the route. Perhaps this is one reason why?
Also probably to draw people back up into the park, to make sure they stay for Dreams, rather than guiding them to the exit as usual. At last, the afternoon parade will never mark the end of the entertainment day again. :)
When is the parade usually shown? Around 16:00 or 17:00? Maybe it would be better to show it earlier, like 15:00, then people will definitely not leave the park.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "ford prefect"I am sure I read somewhere they are planning to reverse the route. Perhaps this is one reason why?
Also probably to draw people back up into the park, to make sure they stay for Dreams, rather than guiding them to the exit as usual. At last, the afternoon parade will never mark the end of the entertainment day again. :)
It strikes me that you are storing up trouble if they want to draw people back into the park.
Several reasons why:
1) Assuming the parade is at 5pm ish and dreams is at 9.30 or even 10pm most people will be on a look out for food so will probably exit to Disney Village with a view to re entering at 8ish.
2) DLP really want people spending money in shops at a time when people will be wanting a break from the park and keeping people in Main Street is the best way
3) If the parade is closer to Dreams then there will be a three way crowding at central plaza. (Those following the parade, those already there and those coming up from Fantasy land after the parade. This does not benefit Disney as a large crowd will gather and not spend money
4) The most likely reason for starting the parade at Main St is to drive people out to the shops and restaurants, calming the park down to better prepare key areas. The parade roping will need to be changed to control pre show guest flow, Personally I think that guests will be channelled away from the castle side of central plaza.
Central Plaza will have a rope positioned at the castle entrance and cast members will stop people standing between central plaza and the castle bridge in an area extending to the the side paths to adventure and fantasylands.
This will force a "top fill" where the crowds automatically stand behind earlier arrivals.
BTW this is all guesswork, I have no firm information!
I don't know if this is the right place to put this but I wanted to ask what are the technical problems and challenges that the entertainment team face putting on a brand new parade of this scale especially on a first day of a soft opening. Obviously there is plenty of rehearsal behind the scenes. Just wondered if anybody had any ideas?
Timing, among others (e.g. guest flows controlling guests wanting to cross the parade route).
Quote from: "dazzle_v2003"I don't know if this is the right place to put this but I wanted to ask what are the technical problems and challenges that the entertainment team face putting on a brand new parade of this scale especially on a first day of a soft opening. Obviously there is plenty of rehearsal behind the scenes. Just wondered if anybody had any ideas?
I've never worked with a parade however I've worked on small scale live events, small concerts, large scale demonstrations/presentations and daily operations management and for the parade the three mega challenges that they will face technically/operationally would loosely fall into:
People:
Casting - I imagine there is a large contingent of duplication on characters, I don't think early parades will ever happen due to the ability of someone phoning at last minute to call in sick.
Guests watching will have the ability to throw things into a parade route, stand in unforeseen areas and basically as long as you allow the public enough time they will really surprise you to just how well they can do things you imagine to be impossible.
Equipment:
Floats seem key to failing here, a bad tyre, a bad motor, bad animatronics and lighting can all fail when booted up for the parade. (I would imagine they are started well ahead of time!).
Ropes may get lost/wet/damaged etc which would then allow crowd pollution into the show zone. (again they seem to take great care so probably fear this)
Buildings may oddly get in the way, think along the lines of moving parts, one day they may just be in the right position just by luck to snag on a poster or hanging basket.
Control room communication, on a new parade people like to get confused and send wrong information to speakers etc and send wrong music at the wrong times.
Product:
Guest reaction will help shape the parade, obviously as its a soft opening they may find half way through that people just don't like the parade or it needs a better order, or that its too long to serve as a parade.
Then theres the malicious intent, I don't know about the new parade for DLP but for MSEP in WDW's MK the parade changes the background music based on location, by tracking the frequency close enough i'd imagine you could trigger changes using a small antenna).
On an absolute technical level your dealing with electronics failing, motors not being strong enough to pull the parade in quick pace, music failures, lighting issues and ultimately correct orchestration of the event to make it seem magical rather than just dragging floats along a street.
I watched the videos, I'm not in love but then I've never really liked the day parades as much as the magic of the night parades. Fantillusion, MSEP and Spectromagic really make an impact to me - during the day just doesn't :(
Does anyone know why (if there is a reason) DLP runs their parade at the late start of 5, compared to other resorts that mostly run theirs at 3? Besides DLR who do two showings of Soundsational (4 & 6).
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Does anyone know why (if there is a reason) DLP runs their parade at the late start of 5, compared to other resorts that mostly run theirs at 3? Besides DLR who do two showings of Soundsational (4 & 6).
I think because it's a tradition at DLP , and at that hour all entertainment ends (exept for Disney Dreams!). It may also be for 'economic' reasons , when the parade goes from Fantasyland to Main Street a huge amount of people follow and are going to eat something at Disney Village.
Watched personally on Tuesday 27th March 2012, 5.00pm. I really liked it, especially since they called it the same name as my website.. :mrgreen:
Theme Tune: Magic Everywhere.. :-"
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Anyway enjoy the Pics.. :D
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Thankyou for the photos Javey!
Great photos! :D I have a question that I have always wondered - how do the parade floats 'move'? Are they remote controlled?
[spoiler:22bsjffi]Each float has a driver located behind a gauze screen. Each flat has a minder carrying a red baton which is or can be illuminated. According to the position of the baton the driver knows when to stop or turn.
Each float has it's own motive power. Battery driven motors provide a silent propulsion.[/spoiler:22bsjffi]
Those pics are beautiful what camera do you have javey74?
Thank you for your comments everyone.. :D
Quote from: "MissDisneyisMagical"Those pics are beautiful what camera do you have javey74?
It's a FujiFilm S1000fd.
Briefly it's 10MP, ISO 64-3200, with a 12X Digital/Optical Zoom, with various 'Scene Position Settings', Image Stabalisation and Manual Modes. My old camera was a FujiFilm A405, which I had for many years, so much so I got very familiar with the setup and icons that FujiFilm use. I wanted to stick with Fujifilm because of this very reason, but I wanted a more powerful and higher quality camera, though not a camera too complex at the same time. Saying that I hadn't banked on a 158 page instruction manual, no the wonder they put a basic manual in the box to read, then put the main one on a disc to print off.. :lol: :mrgreen: >>
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Thanks for the replies to my question. I love theatre and to me a Disney parade is like a huge performance so always wondered the process behind the performance. It's a huge challenge for any Director and cherographer.
Well just one day to go until the press event and the finished Version of Magic On Parade. As long as Tinkerbell is in her little cove at the back of the parade I will be happy as that is a lovely nice surprise that no one was expecting!
Quote from: "ford prefect"[spoiler:btq5es1d]Each float has a driver located behind a gauze screen. Each flat has a minder carrying a red baton which is or can be illuminated. According to the position of the baton the driver knows when to stop or turn.
Each float has it's own motive power. Battery driven motors provide a silent propulsion.[/spoiler:btq5es1d]
Thank you! I didn't know that, v interesting to find out.
Looking at those pics, Tink definitely looks a whole lot better in that little cubby hole at the back than Donald does, he just looks squished! But I still stand by my, 'get that bear that hardly anyone knows of' off of that float.
Brilliant photos....really looking forward to seeing it now. What is that bear doing up there? Bring back Pluto
Quote from: "geekyjo"Quote from: "ford prefect"[spoiler:hhpxq2ay]Each float has a driver located behind a gauze screen. Each flat has a minder carrying a red baton which is or can be illuminated. According to the position of the baton the driver knows when to stop or turn.
Each float has it's own motive power. Battery driven motors provide a silent propulsion.[/spoiler:hhpxq2ay]
Thank you! I didn't know that, v interesting to find out.
I'll second that, thanks. It's like when I first saw how animated Jabba The Hutt - you kind of knew that must be the case, but only when you are shown do you then know for sure, and even then it was more than I expected. I'd love to see some behind the scenes of the parade workings.
Quote from: "thebritishfrog"Sorry to disagree but, if you stand in that position and wait after every parade you can see it. (Even some parades before they start..)
Fantillusions you see this, Princess Parade/wonderful world - you saw every princess do this, Once upon a dream - this and you saw the glass castle of the last float being lowered into the float, not great but hey. There is limited space back there... they do the best they can and if you watch mickey is still mickey until you can't see him at all! ;-)
It's not new at all, you just need to be inclined to look...
(source: 5 years working in the parade department ;-) )
Wow, I didn't know that - and I'm really surprised that let it happen!
I don't know, it's just that Disney goes to such extremes to ensure that the "magic" and illusion of the parks isn't broken, it really surprises me that they'd do something like that in full view of the guests.
I know it's just a crane, but it just comes across as a little unprofessional. It would be like going to see a West End show and having them set up and do tech runs in front of the audience: it wouldn't spoil the show itself, but it would make it harder to "suspend disbelief" and lose yourself in the final product.
Yeah it's not great, I agree but there is little other option. :-(
If you google earth it, you see how much space the train takes up, never mind the other floats and operations...
I guess they could heighten the on stage door, but they are heavy enough as it is ;-)
Thanks very much javey74 I've been looking to get aposh camera like that for my trips ill defo have a look at that
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And heres Mickey saying bye bye at the end of the parade :D/ :D/
[youtube:10dbtxdq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg-pBoBCIYI[/youtube:10dbtxdq]
I'll post the full video tomorrow :thumbs:
Quote from: "ford prefect"Several reasons why:
2) DLP really want people spending money in shops at a time when people will be wanting a break from the park and keeping people in Main Street is the best way
3) If the parade is closer to Dreams then there will be a three way crowding at central plaza. (Those following the parade, those already there and those coming up from Fantasy land after the parade. This does not benefit Disney as a large crowd will gather and not spend money
Just thought I'd snip these two out, as strangely the exact opposite seems to happen at Magic Kingdom, they run Spectromagic up their Main Street and then start Wishes about half an hour afterwards, so it pushes people up Main Street, who then have nothing to do than fill the shops and work their way back down to the Hub to watch Wishes.
It's quite clever when you think of it, you're already at Main Street to watch the parade, you've been pushed far away from rides and know that the grand finalé fireworks are starting in 30 minutes, not nearly enough time to queue for and ride and then return from a ride, so you think "well I could browse all of these shops surrounding me while I wait", and you do, and you buy things!
Of course the easiest way around this would be to watch it from Frontierland and then walk on to Haunted Mansion, before making your way calmly to the hub to get a good spot for Wishes, but most guests won't think like that!
The thing about this parade, is that I honestly think that OUADP is the best Disney parade that I've ever seen. I liked the concept, the floats were brilliantly designed and were of a high quality and the song was by far my favourite. The smoke, the scents, the bubbles, Ursula - it was truly perfect, I thought.
While the changes to it haven't seen severe or extensive, it makes me sad that OUADP has essentially been watered down, with that average song and that first float, which looks more like a Barbie-advertisment with that Our-Castle-but-not-our-castle thing. Quality-wise, I also think it sticks out like a sore thumb amongst the others. Curiously, design-wise, it doesn't seem to fit the look and feel they've been pushing for the 20th and this seems strange to me for an opening float.
The last float is good - doesn't look bad at all IMO (But get Duffy off! I don't even see him as a Disney character.)
Been having a few problems with youtube today so haven't been able to download my video(s) of the parade but here's one which has just been posted on YT.
Thanks go to ljay80 for this :thumbs:
[youtube:wnv776tf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejfqiEEzqAk[/youtube:wnv776tf]
One thing i've been wondering.. what will they do when the 21st year roles around? The song specifically says 20 years, so will the just change the lyrics or what? I really hope Entertainment doesn't just run it anyway...
Quote from: "wishuponastar"One thing i've been wondering.. what will they do when the 21st year roles around? The song specifically says 20 years, so will the just change the lyrics or what? I really hope Entertainment doesn't just run it anyway...
Well, I can imagine the 20th going on for two years. So even though it's the 21st they'll still be celebrating the 20th. After that who knows, maybe we'll get a new soundtrack for the parade.
Love this!!!! Much better than last year. Ditched the show stops ;-)
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"Quote from: "wishuponastar"One thing i've been wondering.. what will they do when the 21st year roles around? The song specifically says 20 years, so will the just change the lyrics or what? I really hope Entertainment doesn't just run it anyway...
Well, I can imagine the 20th going on for two years. So even though it's the 21st they'll still be celebrating the 20th. After that who knows, maybe we'll get a new soundtrack for the parade.
I agree, I imagine they'll be running the parade as it is well into 2013. As for 2014? They might keep the parade the same but change the soundtrack, Disney World's Magic Kingdom did that with their 25th anniversary parade.
But who knows? By 2014 the parade will be seven years old, maybe they have something completely new in the pipeline.
This parade is not working well. Hear the music variations and mixing. The timing doesn't work, they can't fit the music with the speed of the floats and there are many synchronization problems. The park speakers try to play the parade music before the opening, and there was a strange fade.
Just thought I'd ask if anyone knows, on the official launch of the parade, it started at mainstreet. Is this permanent?
I read a tweet, today, that it'll be starting in Fantasyland again for the rest of the year.
Yes, back to normal Fantasyland -> Main Street now!
Here's a video of the official "premiere" on 31st March:
[youtube:1kv560b5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFVgGzooYu8[/youtube:1kv560b5]
As I mentioned in another topic, a crazy amount of "security" to guard the parade route from strikers, after the previous day's parade had to be cancelled. See if you can even spot Peggie Fariss (head of WDI Paris) amongst them!
I'm thrilled to see Duffy added to the Parade. And I love his costume very much like his TDS 10th Anniversary costume. Hope it will be made available to purchase soon. But I'm a bit disapointed Pluto is no longer in the Parade. Would it hurt too much to add a Pluto character to the float. Or even have him walk along side it. Very sad :(
My son's coming round to Duffy now :) I'm still peed off that pluto and Daisy are absent despite being on the promo photos. But at least my son is taking a liking to the bear
The Bear is cool but the product range at the parks outside of Tokyo is very poor. But I like the new Jedi costume and hoping its going to be available soon in Paris.
Back on topic Pluto and Daisy absence from the Parade is a strange one indeed. Especially since both have 20th Anniversary costumes and are featured in the Train. Claurice also has a costume.
I don't dislike Duffy being on the parade. In fact I think his story is really lovely. However the story isn't well known, I wouldn't have known who he was if I'd not read about him on this forum. In my opinion his story should have been advertised much more than it has, seeing as he is playing such a prominant role in the new parade. I know that when I go in June, everyone I'm going with will be saying 'who's that bear?'
There is always going to be some characters that you will believe should play a part on the parade, personally I think Hercules, Phil and Meg should be there, but I have learnt to live with their absence now and expect nothing more ;) Perhaps further down the road Pluto and Daisy will play a part on the parade......
I personally just don't think he deserves to be on the finale float, and that's coming from someone who actually quite likes Duffy. He's taking up some valuable space there, where Daisy/Pluto should be. I don't have a problem with him being in the parade, he should just have his own carriage or be elsewhere - not taking the place of beloved characters known for decades.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"I personally just don't think he deserves to be on the finale float, and that's coming from someone who actually quite likes Duffy. He's taking up some valuable space there, where Daisy/Pluto should be. I don't have a problem with him being in the parade, he should just have his own carriage or be elsewhere - not taking the place of beloved characters known for decades.
While I totally agree with you, I don't think that it'll last. Very often new characters are introduced or become popular for a short period of time. When the park first opened there was a giant float with minnie, goofy etc all riding in planes with the gummy bears. The gummy bears also featured on the castle finale float with mickey in Florida around the early 90s.
It's not uncommon in Tokyo Disneyland for unusually popular characters such as Marie from the Aristocats to ride on a float with the main five too.
I certainly don't think Duffy is well known enough to be on the finale float, and actually if he MUST be on it HE should be the one riding in the cubby hole in the back. Somehow though, I don't think he'll keep his position for too long. I know that the parks are trying to introduce him as a character in his own right, and putting him on the finale float is just exposure, sort of like advertising. He's not quite popular enough to be the "flavour of the month", so he'll either gain momentum and then gradually fade out completely, or he could prove to be popular enough to keep as a character, but one who stays very much in the background. I don't even expect the meet and greets to last. In five years time, it's very possible that people could be saying: "hey, do you remember duffy?". You never know. I just see his current position in the parade to be nothing but a commercial, and something which has been happening in Disney Parks for years.
Here's the second video of Disney Magic on Parade! I filmed, as seen on its opening day 1st April 2012:
[youtube:3qup51vt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLzgSErQOWs[/youtube:3qup51vt]
Tinkerbell seems to be only a part-time feature. Anyone know if she has appeared again at the end since the 31st?
Quote from: "Anthony"Tinkerbell seems to be only a part-time feature. Anyone know if she has appeared again at the end since the 31st?
I read on twitter it's due to a shortage of "friends" of tink. Therefore she's only in the parade a couple of days a week. Hopefully they get it sorted soon!
Just watched the video for the 4th time and I still can not work out how the Fairies move are they on some sort of segway
Quote from: "sparklesprestonia"Just watched the video for the 4th time and I still can not work out how the Fairies move are they on some sort of segway
Yeah, my guess is a hands-free segway.
[youtube:41nwmniz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ImmakyNkM[/youtube:41nwmniz]
Looks tricky.
I assume that pole has a saddle at the end of it? Otherwise, one wrong move and that could cause an injury! I was wondering if it wasn't just rollerskates, covered by the dress. Little steps with that could also create their glide! Either way, I like them a lot, a really cool start to the parade!
Looking at the saddle/pole thingy, I really wouldnt want to go over a bump in the road on one of those!!!!1
Oh it was lovely - we were there yesterday, and LOVED It - Tink was there looking beautiful too!
My son was so excited to see Peter Pan, but said his favourite was the Mad Hatter, who had a fantastic character!
i think i just miss the Princess Parade :( Dancin' A Catchy Rhythm, Steamboat Willie, Jasmine and Aladdin on their magic carpet, Belle holding the Beasts hand and twirling around, all of it really. That will always be my favourite.
Well seeing it in real , the first time it was good but the parade hasn't got much suprises in it and the same choreo so after the third time I really thought "Did I really waited almost 2 hours for this 10 minutes parade?" Something OUADP was good in , alot more diffrent music + diffrenct choreo , so it isn't again and again the same parade, to say it in short : If they're planning to run it for 5 years they really need to find a way of putting the "oh, never saw that" effect in it.
Yes, it is sad that there are no more the differents songs for each float. Not to mention the stops..... I prefer much better the stops of the first version of Once Upon a Dream Parade, not the ones during Magical Moments Festival.....
I read a post on my facebook and they say they there w as a incident in the magic on parade in the peter pan float a Pirate Fall and got injured.
Quote from: "xceemora"I read a post on my facebook and they say they there w as a incident in the magic on parade in the peter pan float a Pirate Fall and got injured.
Probaly wouldn't of happened as they're all on harnesses now seeming there are no more show stops but it would be a mystery of how a pirate fell off the float, unles it's either Pan, Hook or the driver itself and their harnesses snapped after a quick sudden move.
I have heard that it involves Mr Smee. And that pictures have been posted online of the incident. I haven't seen the pictures for myself. Anyone got a link?
I don't think I will ever love this parade. The floats aren't used with their full effects. I don't like the fact this is a downgrade to OUADP. I hope DLP gets Steve Davison back to work on a proper new parade. :)
I have said in a previous post that the parade just seems to rush past and I agree that the parade overall is not as good as OUADP, using the same music three times over and everyone dancing the same coreography is just boring and lazy!
I feel the 7:00 pm start time too late for the Parade. But while I don't think much of the choice in soundtrack or the fact its being advertised as new. I do like the new additions greatly. Its just a shame the Villains float has been removed. I'm also still rather disapointed Pluto has been taken out of the Parade.
The new princesses carriages are pretty, and the new float at the end of the parade came put really beautiful. I still had hoped for a completely new parade for 20th anniversary instead of using floats from once upon a dream and just adding a 20 here and there.
Just watched the video of the parade and it does not look as good or as long as last year. Is it really over in 10 minutes? With the show stops last year it seemed to last more than 20 minutes. Having the song repeated 3 times also seems a bit odd.
I presume they have stopped the show stops with children dancing with the characters on safety grounds because of the numbers expected for the 20th anniversary. What I don't get is why they don't have the show stops with just the characters dancing for a minute or two? Did they stop two years ago?
I know a lot of people on here hated the show stops last year but it totally made my daughters holiday. She was picked 3 times to go and dance and really loved it. The times she wasn't picked she just danced happily next to me watching. I hope they bring them back when the 20th anniversary is over.
I noticed on my recent trip a few weeks ago that both time I saw the parade - the dancers and characters that walk the parade route weren't really dancing much - when I went in April and seen other videos, all the characters and dancers were really putting in a lot of effort.
I don't know if it's just because of new entertainment CMs joining - but I felt that it was really lacking something - we had some characters wonder over to us and wave - but the entire time it felt like they were just walking down the sides to say Hi to the children.
I hope they will pick up on this soon.
I can't read this and allow you to think that the cast can't be bothered. It is simply not true. New cast joining often put in an abundance of energy because they are so excited to perform. The parade isn't the same every day. Parts get cut, modified and added depending on a variety of factors.
I'm guessing that you were wearing shorts and a t shirt during the days you saw the parade and it was "lacking"? Choreography for certain characters is the first thing to go when a certain temperature is reached. It is less magical if some characters don't dance and certainly makes for a less impressive show. The alternative is that a performer collapses, has to be evacuated from the parade, and goes to hospital. That's not the kind of show we wish to put on.
Next time it reaches 24 degrees, and it's a humid heavy heat: try running down your local high street, often jumping, occasionally in circles, whilst having two tins of baked beans strapped to each foot, a winter duvet all over your body, with only a hole the size of your eye to breath while everyone watches you. I'd be impressed if you could do that for 25 minutes non stop but I think you'd rather walk down the high street and wave at people.
A little understanding goes a long way ;)
Thanks for the post. It really clarified things. :)
I'm just wondering what's going to happen once the 20th celebration is over because the song includes the lyrics "Celebrating 20 years of joy and laughter"
The lyric will be removed or changed slightly. There won't be a brand new song. Disney likes to torture all the Cast Members with the same song on repeat. Every day. For years. It's like water torture. Eventually the continual dripping drives you mad.
Hi can anyone tell me the best place to stand for this parade? Also how long before it starts should i get a spot and how long does it last? Im going at the start of october on a saturday.
thank you x
Good spots are right at the start, opposite of Fantasia Ice Cream parlor, or anyhwre near city Hall/Railroad station
The parade is around 15 minutes if I remember correctly.
Do u guys think when the 20th anniversary is over will they still have the magic everywhere music for the parade. Would it be cool if they could use the dancin a catchy rhythm music.
Some of you might enjoy this 1080p HD video I shot of Disney Magic on Parade! last year. It's not very long, but it is in slow-motion:
[youtube:2qbhks6m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KhcReM5HEk[/youtube:2qbhks6m]
Anyone know what happened to Snow White and her Prince? They've been missing for months now.
Quote from: "ssaamm"Anyone know what happened to Snow White and her Prince? They've been missing for months now.
They were in Stars and cars over in Studios in April also both we're wandering around doing meet and greet there.
Quote from: "EeyoresTail"Quote from: "ssaamm"Anyone know what happened to Snow White and her Prince? They've been missing for months now.
They were in Stars and cars over in Studios in April also both we're wandering around doing meet and greet there.
I meant in Disneyland Magic on Parade haha. They're horse and cart and them haven't been there for some time now.
I read somewhere that it's good to stand near the ice-cream parlour. I'll be going next month. Do you stand in the same places for the best view of parade and dreams or difference locations?
Apparently, Ariel & Eric are being cut out of their float and are being replaced by Anna and Elsa from Frozen ! I don't know how two sisters work on a 'True Romance' float, but apparently that is where they are going ! I don't like Ariel being cut though, especially with her Diamond Edition coming out this year too ...
Quote from: "Disneyland Paris - Fans"ºoº Dernier jour pour le char "Magic of Romance" après plusieurs années de services... Magiques ! Désormais Ariel, Tiana et Raiponce en compagnie de leurs Princes marcheront et danseront lors de la parade
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I heard on tumblr from someone who has heard inside information that Anna and Elsa will be WALKING the parade route. And there has also been a mention of men getting fitted so maybe Hans and Kristoff (possible male counterparts) for the princesses.
Or the float might just be decoration? Who knows, we'll have to wait and see!
Olaf please!
As seen in this video, the lyrics have been changed to:
"celebrating magic, wonder, joy and laughter...."Nicely done - it fits, matches and is perfect :D
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Are the frozen characters on the parade .
Yes, there are two characters replacing Aerial on the second float. Sorry, but i don't yet know their names.
Are they staying for a while i thought perhaps that was just for xmas ?
I've forgotten - how long is the hole parade? It starts at 17,30. If I am at the beginning point- how long does it take to see all the cars and characters from this place?
The actual parade, from the first dancer to the last, seems take be between 6.5 minutes and 8 minutes to pass a single spot, depending on if its a full parade. We have taken multiple videos over the years, and this seems about right in every case. Of course, in real terms it feels longer because of queuing, crowds etc, and the actual period the parade is going on for in the park is much longer, more like half an hour.