If think and many of you would love to have a Splash Mountain in the Disneyland Park !
I have just been on google and found 2 places for where it could go !
Either where Critter Corral is Or The Chaparral Theater ! These might be missed but wouldnt you rather a Refreshing Log flume than an animal feeding farm or a Show Stage ?
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And as you can see below it Does not take up that much space in The Florida Park !
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What Do you think ?
they could even make a bridge for the train tracks to sit on and use the land behind there
Quote from: "Owain"And as you can see below it Does not take up that much space in The Florida Park !
Well, I'm not sure about the size, but in the pic you forgot to mention the huge building behind the mountain itself. Technically that wouldn't be an issue in Paris, because behind the Disneyland Railroad, there's enough space. If I remember correctly, Splash Mountain should have been/should be build at the place of the current Frontierland Depot.
Personally, I would like to see Splash Mountain at Disneyland Paris very much. I've ridden it last summer in Orlando, and it was truly awesome. Thematically, Brer Rabbit doesn't make much sense when you think of the Thunder Mesa storyline. I would rather see a more elobarate, serious version of Splash Mountain to much the current storyline, like I told many times before. But it wouldn't hurt either if we get Brer Rabbit. :)
True ! but totaly, they should have a spalsh mountain or some sort of log flume ! :)
I agree! Splash Mountain would definately be well received. I remember the log flume at alton towers being one of the very first rides i ever went on. disney would do an amazing job no doubt!
In the topic that you quote your 3 favourite rides to come to disneyland paris, i think splash mountain seems a hit ! Does anybody no if a big project like this would ever happen ?
Well, they have plans for it from back in 1992. DLRP doesn't have any water rides yet they seem strangely popular all over Europe. They'd need to find a new theme and story, but I think if/when DLP get a new E-Ticket it'll either be this or a version of Indiana Jones Adventure. But that's just my guess.
The current new attractions will need to be an amazing success for something like this to happen, and even then I wouldn't be surprised if they held it off until the 20th Anniversary to do a similar big event to the current 15th.
A new Indy EMV would probably be easier though (no need to move a railroad station, for a start, and the land is just sitting there), as well as having a higher capacity, being indoors, and.. much more marketable. If the fourth film is a hit.
Sorry to ask but, whats an E-ticket ?
QuoteSorry to ask but, whats an E-ticket ?
From the beginning till the 70ies you have to pay for every ride at disneyland. So in this time you have not buy an passport, you buy a Ticket
Book with tickets for the rides.
The tickets in this book was classified from A to E. With an A-ticket the access to somthing like Main Street Horse Cars was guaranteed, with a "higher" an better ride will open its doors for you.
The E-Ticket was the best ticket/best attractions.
An better explication as my bad english is here :D (yesterland.com):
:arrow: //http://www.yesterland.com/abcde.html
:arrow: //http://www.yesterland.com/abcde2.html
:arrow: //http://www.yesterland.com/tickets.html
So whats the odds that splash montain could arrive for the 20th celebration or later in dlrp ?
Quote from: "Owain"So whats the odds that splash montain could arrive for the 20th celebration or later in dlrp ?
About as much chance as fans believeing that DLP would have got a brand new parade about 2 years ago. Aka, who knows, Disneyland Resort Paris is the one theme park in the whole world you can never be sure what's happening. Plus it has been on the rumour planning table since 1992. So who knows.
Splash mountain would be great for the summer season...but what will happen in the winter? Being wet with -5 Celcius isn't very magic.....
I remember this ride in Universal studio's, the Jurassic park ride, I was wet to the bone..But no problem there, as the sun is there for the entire year. Curious if our weather/climate is ready for it...
GJ
Maybe they make a splash that you can change during winter periods.
In holland we have this ride : The Flying Dutchman , a water coaster
were they can change the splash. In the winter you don't get wet and
in the summer you will get wet.
When I rode the Orlando Splash Mountain, I didn't get wet at all.
Maybe it was because I was sitting at the back of the boat? :?
Quote from: "actiontoyboy"Splash mountain would be great for the summer season...but what will happen in the winter? Being wet with -5 Celcius isn't very magic.....
I remember this ride in Universal studio's, the Jurassic park ride, I was wet to the bone..But no problem there, as the sun is there for the entire year. Curious if our weather/climate is ready for it...
GJ
I dont really no what they do, but theres many other europe theme parks that are cold, but have water rides open :?
I know Tokyo's Splash Mountain and DCA's Grizzly River Run both have systems that can switch between "Winter" and "Summer" modes, so the issue of getting wet wouldn't really be a problem.
I think a bigger problem for this ride would be the story and theme - there's no way they'd use Brer Rabbit and friends again, and they'd probably need something to fit into the general Frontierland story. Back in the early 90s they all loved Splash enough to forget that, I think. It's a shame they didn't try to make Home on the Range more successful.
They could mix it with the old Geyser Mountain idea and have it set up like a flooded gold mine, maybe the forerunner to BTM, the one they all abandoned when the "curse" got it? They could even change the drop into a bit more of a Water Coaster set-up, and maybe even have the logs launched slightly up the lift hill and then glide over the top, as if a dynamite blast has pushed them up? I think I (and other people) posted ideas like this years ago on DLP.info... we liked the name "White Water GoldRUSH". :D
You'd still need to create some new characters then though, that could be up there with the bride of PM or the pirates of POTC...
I like that idea Baloo. As you say, they wont be using Song of the south as the theme I wouldnt think , after all, they wont even release the movie anymore because of its "racist" themes.
The only thing is, its the themeing that sets Slash Mountain aside. I mean, its a log flume. A good one, but what makes it great is the theming. It would be fantastic if a new version could be themed around a Disney classic, and use the songs from that movie.
As you say Home on the Range, had it been more sucessful (and better), would of been ideal with music by Alan Menkin. Im trying to think of another Disney classic that lends itself to the idea.....
i really like the idea too!
It's been 12 years since Disneyland Paris got a proper new ride, and I think the most likely would be Splash Mountain or Indiana Jones Adventure.
However, I do not think this will happen for quite a while yet, as Disney are spending all of their new attractions budget trying to fix the disasterous Walt Disney Studios. But, you never know...
The thing about building an Indiana Jones Adventure, Disney have kind of shot themselves in the foot with Space Mountain Mission 2. The public have already been tricked into thinking there was a new attraction, so if they try to market 'Indiana Jones', most people will assume its another pointless re-vamp(backwards again, perhaps?).
If there was a Splash Mountain In DLRP then the only problem is in the winter when it would be too cold, but it would attract a lot of visitors to the park and splash mountain doesn't take lots of space at all, Maybe if they do what they do with Casey Jr. And close it in the Winter say january to febuary?
Quote from: "djdisney1"If there was a Splash Mountain In DLRP then the only problem is in the winter when it would be too cold
That's not a problem, each time i have rode it i've only had water on the face (and a bit on the hair)
Quote from: "Sigton"That's not a problem, each time i have rode it i've only had water on the face (and a bit on the hair)
Yeah, I believe that Splash Mountain and The Jurassic Park Ride at Universal Studios were designed so that when you plumet down, you only get hit with a layer of mist instead of a blast of water.
Note: At least at WDW's Splash Mountain, when you are traveling along the bottom of the chute, sometimes when the logs go slidding down and hits the water, the water at the bottom of the drop gets thursted up and then over onto the passing logs. It's always a fun game though to see if your log will get hit with the water ;)
~DisneyParksFan
i don't think that getting wet would be a problem too much, seeing as many english theme parks (thorpe park, alton towers, chessington, etc) have log flumes and it can get mighty chilly (i nearly went to thorpe park when it snowed last week) but also with a "splash control" system, splash could be minimized enough to have an effect, but not soak the rider. Also, a lot of judgement would go also to the rider, if they don't want to get wet at all, simply you just don't go on.
Also, for the theming, somewhere (quite a while ago) i read about an idea about a researcher who had a mining machine and mined into the rock and then something happened, although that is pretty vague. Or to ride with the "curse" theme of BTM, as mensioned previously, you could travel into a flooded mine and then be spat back out by the curse
I was just looking at Photos of California's Splash Mountain, i just wish that we had one to ! :(
They called always do a Woody's round up themed Splash Mountain. OMG :shock: Did I really suggest that?!?!
Regarding the Splash Mountain story for our park, I did some research some time ago. Appearently Cottonwood Creek (the existing part of Frontierland were Splash Mountain is supposed to go) appears to be known in the States for its... Mountains!
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The real Cottonwood Creek
There's already a topic about the possible Splash Mountain theme here:
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ooooh if this is pr planned then ill be darned hehe
Whats the likely Chance of DLRP getting a Splash Mountain ?
ooo, i so want one! Itd be so good.
I sort of dont see the problem with brer rabbit. He's cute and they did change the ride in California Disneylands so it was a honey baby, not a tar baby.
But i guess brer rabbit doesn't fit in with the theming, but what else would?
Most of the possible ideas are to much like BTM, it'd just be a copy, only with water.
They could always do more of a cowboy/ indian setting, although the water makes no sense whatsoever.
Damn, i cant think of anything good.
Think, brain, think!
So hey folks, A friend was for a couple of days at DLRP and she saw on the left side at the railroad station in frontierland that they build there something she ask me for Splash Mountain but i didn´t know anything so my question to u is do anyone know more about it??
i think it would be greate when they build splash mountain as the secret attraction they talk about for 2009
I'd love to see Splash Mountain come to Frontierland. I recall seeing some official plans online for it, so it definitely is/was being considered. Does anyone know what plans I'm talking about? It'd be nice to see them again.
As for the Song of the South theme, I agree the movie is old and not a lot of people know it. However, just because the movie isn't popular, doesn't mean the characters and story aren't good for an attraction. Splash Mountain is still REALLY popular in Disneyland, the Magic Kingdom and Tokyo Disneyland, so the Song of the South theme can't be too bad. Guests clearly are entertained by the characters, enjoy the styling, and remember the music.
That said, there are some alternative themes I can think of:
- Pooh Stick Mountain. The Pooh characters are great and there are lots of Pooh songs which could be used in the attraction. Winnie The Pooh isn't very Wild West, but I'm sure he could be integrated into this quiet, country-ranch area of Frontierland.
- Woody Mountain. He's a cowboy and he's PIXAR, so I guess it could work in Frontierland. But I think there's enough PIXAR in the parks now.
A Splash Mountain would be great in DLRP, im a big fan of the one in Florida and they wouldn't have to necessarily use the song of the south theme, they could somehow fit it in with the story of Frontierland and Thunder Mesa, it could have a sort of mine theme.. Explore the mines via a boat/log and then take a wrong turning and end up falling down a waterfall or something along those lines.
DLRP definatly needs a good log flume. :D
Oo, i like pooh stick mountain. They definitely need a winnie the pooh ride and for some reason, i think winnie the pooh fits in with the theme. It could be really cute. I may be going a bit crazy, but the water could be honey! Also, in Splash Mountain there's that whole honey baby thing.
I think that a splash mountain needs an unrealistic feel. Like i think it has to have disney characters or cute little animal creatures which talk. If they put in a ride about mining or the demise of the thunder mountain, it would be too dark, and take some of the disney feel out of the park.
Im not being vain but im glad i made this topic because its nice to see peoples ideas and to learn that so many people are wishing for dlrp to get a splash mountain. Does anyone no the chances of dlrp getting a splash mountain and if so any possible dates or years ?
I actually think Winnie The Pooh is very compatible with Splash Mountain. You could take Splash Mountain as it is, the mountain, the layout, and keep it all the same. You'd just have to have different interior scenes, characters and music. But a lot of the attraction could remain the same, and retain the same warm, playful, uplifting tone.
Splash Mountain and Winnie The Pooh actually already have a link. When the ride opened at Disney World in 1992, they had a lot of Winnie The Pooh merchandise in the Briar Patch store. And the characters really looked at home in that shop, alongside characters from Song of the South. Plus, over at Disneyland in California, Splash Mountain and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh are opposite each other in Critter Country, the land of bears and other animals. So they've already been paired up by Disney.
The main selling point of using Winnie The Pooh is that the cartoons/films have a lot of really great songs in them. And one of the most prominent features of Splash Mountain is that it's a musical journey. Splash Mountain has three very memorable songs in it:
- How Do You Do?
- Ev'rybody Has a Laughing Place
- Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
So for a Pooh Stick Mountain, you could just swap this songs with some of the following:
- The Wonderful Thing About Tiggers
- Up, Down and Touch the Ground
- Winnie the Pooh
- Rumbly In My Tumbly
- A Rather Blustery Day
- Heffalumps and Woozles
- Little Black Rain Cloud
- The Rain, Rain, Rain, Came Down, Down Down
They're all really great songs, and there's lots of potential and ideas there to build a 12 minute ride around. But if you stick with the same songs/order as The Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh ride at the Magic Kingdom you'd get:
- A Rather Blustery Day
- The Wonderful Thing About Tiggers
- Heffalumps and Woozles
- The Rain, Rain, Rain, Came Down, Down Down
- Winnie The Pooh
Quote from: "Alan"- Woody Mountain. He's a cowboy and he's PIXAR, so I guess it could work in Frontierland. But I think there's enough PIXAR in the parks now.
I LOVE the pooh stck mountain idea!! The woody mountain i dont realli like the idea of again because i think that there is waaaay too much pixar film based attractions in the parks at the minute but it would be nice as DLRP allready have buzz lightyears laser blasters soo why not give woody his own ride too
Speaking of Woody, couldn't the Rustler Roundup Shootin' Gallery in Frontierland be rethemed as Woody's Roundup Shootin' Gallery? It could include all the roundup characters (Woody, Jessie, Bullseye, Stinky Pete) incorporating a little bit of PIXAR into Frontierland, but not too much :-) It'd surely be cheap to implement and bring something fresh to Frontierland.
I'm not sure that the British Hundred Acre Wood fits well with an old Western ranch though...
Don't forget, Disney has its own team of barnyard characters that would work perfectly in a Cottonwood Creek Ranch version of Splash Mountain. No, not Home on the Range... Mickey, Donald, and co! They all started out as barnyard characters of mice, ducks, cats and dogs.
So in the vein of "Boat Builders", Mickey and the gang (in their old black and white retro styles) are testing out a fun new ride through water canals in the farmyard. When you reach the top of the mound, Donald goes "uh oh!" and you switch onto the huge downward waterfall. They could still use the Song of the South songs, and maybe even mix a few of the characters in. It wouldn't be so cheap or garish though - a very classic theme in-keeping with the ranch, but something nice and lighthearted for Frontierland.
If Splash Mountain is massively popular with the Song of the South characters no-one even knows, imagine if they added in Mickey's original barnyard gang! :o
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Maybe even a brother bear themed splash mountain.
I'm not sure anyone even remembers that movie... It was set in the northern mountains of the USA too, wasn't it? Quite a way from the Far West.
More likely than all these is probably just some fairly generic Wild West theme - I remember talking on DLP.info years about something like "White Water Goldrush", where you're actually launched out of the mountain by a dynamite blast in the flooded mine below - mixing in a bit of the old Geyser Mountain concept. More of an Expedition Everest-type theme, maybe? Hey - they could even have a backwards flume!
I think anything and everything will depend on how the European public welcome Tower of Terror, since its not character-based... :?
I think that sounds like an excellent idea, i like the idea of being launched out of the mountain by a dynamite blast! :D
Just because its Disney doesn't mean that it has to be based on Disney characters.. BTM isn't really based on any characters and that is very popular, also ToT is very popular in the US and i know i can't wait to ride the DLP version, im sure it will be just as popular here in Europe. :P
Does anyone no if a splash mountain came to the disneyland park if they would make the new land ' Critter Country ' ?
Hi there,
I'm new to this forum but was reading the topics before. I used to work at DLRP from February 1992 to December 1998. I was sent in Florida for 2 years during an exchange program. In 1993 I was lucky to have my office just beside Space Mountain Project Manager office and could follow on the progress of the construction. I did ask about Splash Mountain and a person from Disney Imagineering told me that Splash Mountain was mentioned for Paris but due to the weather (too cold in winter) the attraction would be closed too many month and would be too costly to maintain yearly based on the number of operating months. At this time you will never see a Splash Mountain at DLRP. Sorry!
That may be, but times have moved on lately and technology improves there is plenty of ways to stop the water from soaking people in the winter and making sure they are soaked in the summer. One thing most other water rides in Europe seem to fail to realise (Valhalla imparticular :lol:) . Also operating and maintaining, dlrp seem to be able to handle autopia, and the storybookland area so I do not see why seasonal closure would be of any problem, if this had to happen. Of course as Baloo said ToT will need to be seen first to determine what does come next and if it is splash what it could possibly be based around.
Also I doubt dlrp would create a critter country, it would work fine at the back of Frontierland in its own little area, no need for a new land, nor is there really any space, maybe just a mild retheme. Especially now the Critter Corral seems to be completely empty.
Still water rides seem to be becoming ever so popular in Europe, especially as the weather gets hotter with the aid of global warming :wink: . Maybe someday soon it will be time for dlrp to move with the times with their very own fully soaking water attraction.
I'm still determined to have Pooh Stick Mountain. But I also liked that old school Disney one. How about the muppets?
I think the whole problem is that they they already have a generic ride in Frontierland, BTM. Frontierland, in my opinion, is already WAY too generic and not that Disney, it's probably the least Disney land in the park.
It's not that I would be really annoyed with a generic ride, I would just be more happy with a cute one. After all, what would seperate it from BTM other than more water?
But Frontierland's cohesive theme is what makes it such a great land. I'm still astounded by just what a brilliant piece of imagineering Frontierland is.
As you come out of Fort Comstock you see the huge peaks of Big Thunder Mountain, the land behind it seems to stretch on forever, there's Phantom Manor looming over the town from the top of the hill, while all around the side of the land are wonderfully detailed Old West buildings that gradually merge into a more Mexican style. How would you feel if there was a great plastic, colourful, cartoon mountain in the middle of that? I'm not opposed to a Splash Mountain, but only if they make it fit with the theme of the land.
Oh, and the Muppets? :shock:
If you want a cute Disney ride, then what's wrong with Fantasyland? :wink:
Quote from: "PATMAGIC"That may be, but times have moved on lately and technology improves there is plenty of ways to stop the water from soaking people in the winter and making sure they are soaked in the summer. One thing most other water rides in Europe seem to fail to realise (Valhalla imparticular :lol:) . Also operating and maintaining, dlrp seem to be able to handle autopia, and the storybookland area so I do not see why seasonal closure would be of any problem, if this had to happen. Of course as Baloo said ToT will need to be seen first to determine what does come next and if it is splash what it could possibly be based around.
Also I doubt dlrp would create a critter country, it would work fine at the back of Frontierland in its own little area, no need for a new land, nor is there really any space, maybe just a mild retheme. Especially now the Critter Corral seems to be completely empty.
Still water rides seem to be becoming ever so popular in Europe, especially as the weather gets hotter with the aid of global warming :wink: . Maybe someday soon it will be time for dlrp to move with the times with their very own fully soaking water attraction.
Pat this put a big smile on my face the way you said about all the possibilitys im just hoping and sure that tower of terror will make a big impact on the studios and the resort ! :) And hopefully then we can have Splash Mountain !
Hey, well I found that file I was talking about. Here is a photo of Frontierland at Disneyland Paris, with the plans for Splash Mountain laid over it. I'm not sure how official this is, but it seems to fit in, doesn't it?
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Quote from: "KittyVogt"I'm still determined to have Pooh Stick Mountain. But I also liked that old school Disney one. How about the muppets?
I think the whole problem is that they they already have a generic ride in Frontierland, BTM. Frontierland, in my opinion, is already WAY too generic and not that Disney, it's probably the least Disney land in the park.
It's not that I would be really annoyed with a generic ride, I would just be more happy with a cute one. After all, what would seperate it from BTM other than more water?
Funny I remember as a kid growing up at Disneyland in California, Fantasyland was the only place that had the invasion of the cartoons. I miss those days. What Disney does best is make you feel like you are in the Old West, the Jungles of Africa and Asia, or in the world of Tomorrow. For that reason I love Frontierland at DLP the most because it is the least cartoony!
Quote from: "Alan"Hey, well I found that file I was talking about. Here is a photo of Frontierland at Disneyland Paris, with the plans for Splash Mountain laid over it. I'm not sure how official this is, but it seems to fit in, doesn't it?
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Thanks ! :)
Quote from: "Alan"Hey, well I found that file I was talking about. Here is a photo of Frontierland at Disneyland Paris, with the plans for Splash Mountain laid over it. I'm not sure how official this is, but it seems to fit in, doesn't it?
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Like it, it seems to fit in brillantly.
Another Splash Mountain?
Ah well, I like the ride and if it is going to be in DLRP then I can remember that there is some space near BTM.
Might that thing be too big to go under the railway station?
Anything new about this ride being putted into DLRP?
Quote from: "KittyVogt"I'm still determined to have Pooh Stick Mountain. But I also liked that old school Disney one. How about the muppets?.
Are you serious? The Muppets or Pooh? This is Frontierland we are talking about. Leave Pooh in Fantasyland and a future Muppet project in the Studios park please. Who cares about the Muppets nowadays anyway? At least in Europe they aren't as big as they once were. :roll:
QuoteI think the whole problem is that they they already have a generic ride in Frontierland, BTM. Frontierland, in my opinion, is already WAY too generic and not that Disney, it's probably the least Disney land in the park.
Did you understand the concept of Paris' Thunder Mesa storyline? Everything fits in perfectly and is a world on it own. Its a true gem of Imagineering. Frontierland is just as Disney as the rides and buildings that feature the Disney characters. I think you quite underestamate the Disneyland concept when you think that every piece of the park should be cartoonised. Disney is far more then that. Look at Tokyo DisneySea, Epcot or Disney's Animal Kingdom for example. Besides that, Disneyland Resort Paris is often critised by many European themepark fans for being too plastic, American and childish for their taste. I think that turning the least cartoonised land of them all into a new Woody-land won't win over many new fans. Especially when you take in consideration how many resistance there was when (plastic) Buzz kicked out our beloved Timekeeper. :wink:
Sorry, thats was a bit offtopic.
Well, I think everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But in recent years, Disney has favoured using character/cartoon themes for their attractions, instead of characterless generic themes. So using characters in Frontierland isn't too far fetched.
And as for Pooh not fitting into Frontierland, in terms of perfect Imagineering, I guess not. But then, there are MANY examples where Imagineers have put two totally different themes next to each other. Attractions that have nothing in common, yet occupy the same space:
- Cars Race Rally facing Crush's Coaster
- Finding Nemo Musical next to Expedition Everest
- Aladdin's Carpets next to the Tiki Room
- Buzz Lightyear near to the Carousel of Progress
- Haunted Mansion next to Splash Mountain
- Finding Nemo Submarin Voyage next to Matterhorn Bobsleds
- Ice Station Cool in Innoventions Plaza
Theming a ride with existing characters gives Disney a great opportunity to tie it in with merchandise, although I agree that part of the attraction of Frontierland is the continuous storyline of Thunder Mesa. I think a carbon copy of an existing Splash Mountain wouldn't fit - does anyone even know where Brer Rabbit etc come from anymore? (Uncle Remus African Slave Tales/Song of the South). In order for it to be in keeping with the existing Fronteirland, new theming for Splash Mountain or an entirely new water ride would be needed.
Another alternative would be to re-theme a corner of Fronteirland so whatever is in it doesn't have to comply with the Thunder Mesa storyline. They could put up a gate near the entrance and call it 'Toon Mesa' or whatever (I reaslise 'Toon Mesa is an awful name, its just an example!) and stick a run-of-the-mill Splash Mountain in there. If they put in a couple of shops and a small A-ticket ride then they have a whole new land instead of just a new ride, which is a bigger draw for not much more money.
Quote from: "Maarten"Did you understand the concept of Paris' Thunder Mesa storyline? Everything fits in perfectly and is a world on it own. Its a true gem of Imagineering. Frontierland is just as Disney as the rides and buildings that feature the Disney characters. I think you quite underestamate the Disneyland concept when you think that every piece of the park should be cartoonised. Disney is far more then that. Look at Tokyo DisneySea, Epcot or Disney's Animal Kingdom for example. Besides that, Disneyland Resort Paris is often critised by many European themepark fans for being too plastic, American and childish for their taste. I think that turning the least cartoonised land of them all into a new Woody-land won't win over many new fans. Especially when you take in consideration how many resistance there was when (plastic) Buzz kicked out our beloved Timekeeper. :wink:
Sorry, thats was a bit offtopic.
Bravo Maarten. To me as a kid growing up in Disneyland, I used to love exploring Jungles, New Orleans, Rustic Islands, and space in the future. The only place for characters (except walk arounds) was Fantasyland. I liked the way Disney made you feel you were in another place or time. This is what I also love about Epcot, DAK and TDS.
To me the cartoonisation of the Disney parks are ruining them. I mean a character lunch and dinner where I used to be able to go and watch a westen revue???? That sucks. Disney parks have really been headed in the wrong direction in the last 10 years, and having spent 95% of my disposable income with Disney most of my life, I am starting to pull away.
What doesn't help is people feeling that Winnie the Pooh or PotC or other marketing rubbish is the right answer.
Quote from: "Alan"Well, I think everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But in recent years, Disney has favoured using character/cartoon themes for their attractions, instead of characterless generic themes. So using characters in Frontierland isn't too far fetched.
You're right. Thats also the reason why I'm fed up with it. The day that Disneyland Paris will get invaded by more and more cartoonisation seems to get closer and closer.
QuoteAnd as for Pooh not fitting into Frontierland, in terms of perfect Imagineering, I guess not. But then, there are MANY examples where Imagineers have put two totally different themes next to each other. Attractions that have nothing in common, yet occupy the same space:
- Cars Race Rally facing Crush's Coaster
- Finding Nemo Musical next to Expedition Everest
- Aladdin's Carpets next to the Tiki Room
- Buzz Lightyear near to the Carousel of Progress
- Haunted Mansion next to Splash Mountain
- Finding Nemo Submarin Voyage next to Matterhorn Bobsleds
- Ice Station Cool in Innoventions Plaza
Cars and Crush isn't much of a problem since this is supposed to be Toon Studio and the attractions are refered to as sets. I completely agree that the Finding Nemo Musical doesn't belong in the Asia section of DAK. On the other hand, The Haunted Mansion and Splash Mountain aren't located in the same "land", just as the Matterhorn and Subs. I think that our Thunder Mesa is a different issue. At our Frontierland we are talking about a cohensive theme with a storyline and some sort of realism. None of the attractions you mentioned share this storyline aspect.
QuoteTheming a ride with existing characters gives Disney a great opportunity to tie it in with merchandise, although I agree that part of the attraction of Frontierland is the continuous storyline of Thunder Mesa.
Yeah, thats what Disney thinks aswell I guess. Ofcourse, I understand their reasons why they would like to theme new attractions with their recent box offices hits. But it takes away from the origanality, the creative aspect of the parks. But on the other hand, isn't it a sign on the wall for Disney that recent attractions like Space Mountain- de la Terre a la Lune, Expedition Everest, Soarin', Test Track, Journey to the Center of the Earth, The Twiligh Zone Tower of Terror, Mission: Space... (and so on) are succesfull without having a character tie in. I know that all these attractions are high profile e-tickets by the way. :wink:
QuoteBut on the other hand, isn't it a sign on the wall for Disney that recent attractions like Space Mountain- de la Terre a la Lune, Expedition Everest, Soarin', Test Track, Journey to the Center of the Earth, The Twiligh Zone Tower of Terror, Mission: Space... (and so on) are succesfull without having a character tie in.
In some ways, Disney have started to do the tie in bit in reverse. There's a Tower of Terror film (it was so bad it must have been a test for the format of doing retrospective films based on rides!) Haunted Mansion, and most notably Pirates of the Caribbean. I think Disney have realised that the parks have become institutions as much as the films have and perhaps new attractions don't need to piggyback an existing popular franchise to be successful as they win success in their own right.
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Hehe Owain :P
I think this project is back in the fridge for future plans..... :?
We were thinking of a flume ride when we were at the park this week and we would love one in Adventure land, possibly themed around The Emperors New Groove, there is loads space in adventure land and it lacks attractions. What does anyone think?
Quote from: "smurfy74"We were thinking of a flume ride when we were at the park this week and we would love one in Adventure land, possibly themed around The Emperors New Groove, there is loads space in adventure land and it lacks attractions. What does anyone think?
I actually like that idea! Kuzco has some pretty good scenes for a flume ride... And the theme would fit somewhere in Adventureland, yes. :) (Of course, I'd probably be too chicken to ride it though.)
Quote from: "DisneyAlba"Quote from: "smurfy74"We were thinking of a flume ride when we were at the park this week and we would love one in Adventure land, possibly themed around The Emperors New Groove, there is loads space in adventure land and it lacks attractions. What does anyone think?
I actually like that idea! Kuzco has some pretty good scenes for a flume ride... And the theme would fit somewhere in Adventureland, yes. :) (Of course, I'd probably be too chicken to ride it though.)
Not only good scenes, but good music too! :D
I think if they wanted to re-theme a Splash Mountain ride around another Disney movie, and put it in Frontierland, then Pochahontas would be the best option. The movie has plenty of cute characters, a pioneer theme that would work in Frontierland and some great songs, including Just around The Riverbend, which couldn't really be more perfect for a water-ride.
The log-flume boats would be themed more like canoes and would travel through various set pieces from the movie, including the Native American village peopled with animatronic characters. There would be atmospheric weather and and sound effects and lots of forest creature animatronics too, so there is plenty to look at. The boats would finally pass under the trailing branches of an animatronic talking Grandmother Willow before the drop. At the end there could be a tableau of Pocahontas waving goodbye to John Smith/us to the sound of Colours of the Wind.
I think that would be a really good ride, as the film has enough dark moments to present some good changes of mood during the ride.
Quote from: "Rain"I think if they wanted to re-theme a Splash Mountain ride around another Disney movie, and put it in Frontierland, then Pochahontas would be the best option. The movie has plenty of cute characters, a pioneer theme that would work in Frontierland and some great songs, including Just around The Riverbend, which couldn't really be more perfect for a water-ride.
The log-flume boats would be themed more like canoes and would travel through various set pieces from the movie, including the Native American village peopled with animatronic characters. There would be atmospheric weather and and sound effects and lots of forest creature animatronics too, so there is plenty to look at. The boats would finally pass under the trailing branches of an animatronic talking Grandmother Willow before the drop. At the end there could be a tableau of Pocahontas waving goodbye to John Smith/us to the sound of Colours of the Wind.
I think that would be a really good ride, as the film has enough dark moments to present some good changes of mood during the ride.
Wow.....when is it coming, can't wait, sounds great :P
But then again.... would it fit into Frontierland? What gives Frontierland it's unique look and feel? That's its unique storyline and imagineering without Disney characters and stuff.... :?:
Quote from: "Soap"Wow.....when is it coming, can't wait, sounds great :P
:D
QuoteBut then again.... would it fit into Frontierland? What gives Frontierland it's unique look and feel? That's its unique storyline and imagineering without Disney characters and stuff.... :?:
I think that's the main problem with any themed water-ride that they might shoe-horn into that area. Though the majority of the character aspects of Splash Mountain are inside the attraction, so perhaps they could get away with keeping the outside understated and having characters inside, where they don't spoil the themeing. I remember the first time I went on Splash I was really surprised, as I didn't expect it to have so much inside - I thought it would just be a simple log-flume, so the huge set-pieces like the boat were a real shock.
Quote from: "Alan"Hey, well I found that file I was talking about. Here is a photo of Frontierland at Disneyland Paris, with the plans for Splash Mountain laid over it. I'm not sure how official this is, but it seems to fit in, doesn't it?
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6665 ... uwdmd6.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6665/splashvernieuwdmd6.jpg)
Does anyone have a bigger version of the plan ?
This one if great to, but i wonder if there was a bigger version of just the mapping and not google earth :P
Sorry if im being to demanding !
Sorry to drag this up again, but I can not believe for one second that the weather in France has put them off building this one. Reading the book 'Imagineering at it's peak-the Disney Mountains', talks about the ride in Japan and how the awful wet weather there, plus how apparently they 'dress up and don't want to be soaked', changed the design of the boats slightly, so that the splash would be pushed away from the boat.. They can do all sorts depending on where each attraction goes-we know this. Plus the times that I have been to the park in the summer and would have paid good money for a decent wet ride...!
Bring on the Pocahontas Riverbend Mountain and yes, does anyone have a bigger version of the plan ? :D
Quote from: "Fever"Sorry to drag this up again, but I can not believe for one second that the weather in France has put them off building this one.
Technically it hasn't, it was the financial problems in the 90s and early 2000s.
The weather seems like a minor issue to me, it's so easy to change water levels and splashes. A bigger challenge for getting Splash Mountain to Paris is surely the theme and story. Song of the South is a bit iffy, and I'm not sure if Pocahontas a) is enough to base the story on and b) is marketable enough. I can't think what scenes they'd put in there for Pocahontas to make it interesting.
I still reckon Mickey's Barnyard Olympics would be an awesome theme, with guests gradually making their way to the top of the hill past scenes showing the various games, before taking part in their very own - the "Giant Splash".
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I'm sure they could come up with a great song to rival even Laughing Place, it's a small world or Grim Grinning Ghosts...
It'd still be called Splash Mountain and look almost identical on the outside.
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The final scene after the splash would be the judges...
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Yay or nay?
Adjustable water levels or not, the question is: how many people would actually *want* to ride a "Splash Mountain" on an average winter day?
I'd say Big Thunder probably has more outdoor sections and people seem happy to ride that. With a warm coat on I really don't think it'd be a problem.
It'd be a wonderful break from dark rides, spinning rides and roller coasters in the dark.
In Tokyo it's mostly warmer than in Paris. And even if the boats and the technic could garanty a nearly dry ride, people would avoy the winter season, because they may think it'll be closed in the cold season or they could get wet. So there would be risk of losing visitors.
I agree with Parkfisch: the problem with "Splash" is what people might think on a cold day in December when looking at that huge outdoor drop... it's *not* about what can be done to keep guests warm and dry, but if those guests think they'll stay warm and dry before entering the queue... and that's where I have my doubts...
Well i certainly think thar spalsh is a YAYY for DLRP ! :)
As people have said before you dont get that wet and they can change it for the winter season. People would love to go on it theyd probably pay for a rain jacket to stop getting wet when youd get a bigger splash on pirates ! :lol:
The Silverstar Roller Coaster at "Europa Park" in Germany is about 70 meters tall. Due to the fact it's a family park, the coaster has got many trim breaks, so that also children or people who could feel frightened when they feel like leaving the train (airtime), can ride it. But as I wrote: It's very tall and these breaks are no reason for such people to go on it. And that would be reality for Splash Mountain in Paris too: Even if there are the best technical systems to avoy wet guests or anything else. People who want to ride the new attraction (commercials on TV) would say "Well, even when it's open around the year, we should travel in a warmer period."
BTW: The picture above is from Tokyo's Splash Mountain. Just look at the direction the boat is going. It's a mirrored version of the ride in Florida.
Quote"Well, even when it's open around the year, we should travel in a warmer period."
That was my point in this or in the TWDC topic, attracting more guests during warmer periods. Past years attendance was dropping during summer seasons and rising during cold months like Halloween and Christmas. Give people a reason to come DLRP during a hot summer day! Wishes ain't one.
Quote from: "raptor1982"Quote"Well, even when it's open around the year, we should travel in a warmer period."
That was my point in this or in the TWDC topic, attracting more guests during warmer periods. Past years attendance was dropping during summer seasons and rising during cold months like Halloween and Christmas. Give people a reason to come DLRP during a hot summer day! Wishes ain't one.
True - though one also has to consider that any new ride shouldn't just attract guests, it should also increase overall capacity... And more capacity is definitely needed during those very busy Halloween and Christmas Season weekends and school holidays...
Right now, I want a jungle Book Splash Mountain in Adventureland :) . Imagine, you get into your log at King Louie's destroyed temple, then you gently float into the first scene with Bagheera and baby Mowgli, then you see Bagheera and grown up Mowgli, followed by a scene with Kaa who tries to hypnotize Mowgli and the unsuspecting guests, then you pass the marching Elephants. In the next scene, you meet Baloo who is singing the "Bare Necessities" with mowgli, you then float along with Baloo and Mowgli in the famous scene from the film (below).
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You then float into King Louie's temple, alive with the dancing and rhythm of "I wanna be like you ", with tons of swinging and dancing monkeys everywhere, Baloo and King Louie dancing in the middle and Mowgli and Bagheera joining in as well. You then pass a short scene with Baloo and Bagheera calling for Mowgli who has just run away, followed by the singing vultures. As you start to go up the lift hill to the drop, on your left you can see Baloo grabbing Shere Kahn's tail as he tries to attack Mowgli who is holding a flaming stick at him, and on your right you have the 4 vultures giving their commentary on the action and warning the guests of what's to come. Then you plummet down the drop and go past the final scene with Mowgli going to the man village and Baloo and Bagheera sining away into the distance.
The exterior would be pretty much the same but altered slightly to fit in with the adventureland area, to make it look better than the other versions ( :wink: ) and to make it fit in with the Jungle Book theme (perhaps some ruins from the temple could influence this).
That's just my opinion though :wink:
Love the idea Bultin Boy :D
Heres the photo plans again from Disneytheque;
This is the plan on top of a google earth image of the Splash Mountain area
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This is the plan blended in to the google earth image of the Splash Mountain area
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From;//http://www.disneytheque.com
Wow butlin Boy....that would be a really good theme :shock:
Not sure if this totally fits into the total area theming, but the idea is really lovely!!
Hey, so first i have to say that the idea from butlin boy is okay.
now to the photo plans, i wished it will come true they will one time built it there,
i don´t understand why the most of you say thet the "song of the south theme" dosen´t work in our frontierland, woddy´s roundup work in your point but this cant work i think the most dont know what they want :?
sorry for off-topic:
but the same was with the ToT, years ago everyone want it and like it and now few month befor they begun to built it nobody like it thats so funny =D>
now back to splash i think the area critter corall would be fine in a lil toony style with splash mountain as the original but different as in the us parks, and put woody´s roundup and toy story mania in a western style in this area and everything is wonderful. thats what i think about it :D
Thanks for your compliments guys, you can tell I watched The Jungle Book last night can't you :lol:
I think splash mountain would be a brilliant addition; but i really would like it if they changed the theme (though i haven't actually seen or ridden splash) - it looks a bit cheesy and cutsie. Too make it blend in and fit with the frontierland aesthetic, they could quite easily adapt it to be more rocky and btm like.
I don't know who it was, but on one of the other boards someone had a great idea of having splash mountain being an indian sacred ground which is the new home of the thunder bird which flew away from thunder mountain after the mine was built. The rest of the ride could maybe feature an indian village, a burial ground, and the bird itself could be seen before the drop. Or (I possibly going a bit too far here) the bird could fly up the hill climb before the drop, flying over the heads of the riders, and then swooping out of the exit top of the hill- triggering thunderous sound and lightning effects (it could be suspended from the ceiling and be pulled upwards, swinging into a hidden compartment at the top of the climb where it then travels back unseen to the base of the climb to do it again for the next log (or whatever)
QuoteI don't know who it was, but on one of the other boards someone had a great idea of having splash mountain being an indian sacred ground which is the new home of the thunder bird which flew away from thunder mountain after the mine was built. The rest of the ride could maybe feature an indian village, a burial ground, and the bird itself could be seen before the drop. Or (I possibly going a bit too far here) the bird could fly up the hill climb before the drop, flying over the heads of the riders, and then swooping out of the exit top of the hill- triggering thunderous sound and lightning effects (it could be suspended from the ceiling and be pulled upwards, swinging into a hidden compartment at the top of the climb where it then travels back unseen to the base of the climb to do it again for the next log (or whatever)
I don´t know what to think about that!
i think when they will built one time splash it have to be like the original just a litle different, maybe a other layout vor the trak or something like this...
most of the americans dont know the movie either, the older one and the disney fans know it but not the youngest. the same is with the twiligt zone, not everyone know it, the older one and the disney fans know it but thats all, and what they built?! the twilight zone tower of terror! so i think it dosent matter if everyone knows the movie, when they built it in the song of the south theme everyone will ride this attraktion, because its a nice, popular and funny ride with a good story...
the next question is did no one ride the pirates of the caribbean because there was no movie before?? :-"
the same is with pig thunder mountain and haunted mansion or phantom manor, now we havo movies of the rides...
i hope you dont understand me wrong, i like a lot of your ideas!!
sorry for my bad english :oops:
I had no idea splash mountain was based on a movie! (from the looks of the ride, and seeing as how ive never heard of it; i guess its pretty shocking) :?
It's just the whole cheesy cutsie thing isnt really a european thing (thats just a sweeping generalisation mind you) - look at what they did for phantom manor- they made it more sinister and gothic both in storyline, ride and exterior so as to appeal to european tastes. I would much rather they did this sort of thing with splash
I have posted this before on the message board some time ago, but it won't hurt repeating.
So I did some research on Cottonwood Creek, the area that holds the Frontierland Depot, Critter Corral and Chapparal Theater (and the planned location for Splash Mountain). It turns out that Cottonwood Creek is an existing area in the United States and is very well known for its agriculture and ... mountains! If you look at pictures from the area, it's a no-brainer that this is something the Imagineers knew as well and probably had a story worked around the mountain / western theme.
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The reserve at Cottonwood Creek: http://www.mountainprimrose.com/ (http://www.mountainprimrose.com/)
davidrsykes, have you ever ridden a Splash Mountain? There's no need to bash it for its Song of the South theme, it really works. And the music is great too.
hey thats pretty cool! i havent ridden or even seen splash mountain in real life (only seen pictures)
Sorry to bump up this topic, but in this hot summerdays you really can say that their is need for splash mountain! Their isn't really something else to get wet in!
Wow that would be great if dlp could see its own splash mountain.I was just thinking maybe we dont have the right weather all year round to have awater ride but then like someone else mentioned alton towers drayton manor park etc all have great water rides so i think splash mountain there would be fantastic.Its maybe my favourite ride at wdw i'm not sure but its amazing and maybe it would go well in dlp frontierland? when i go in july i will know more about where other people have been saying it could go but at wdw its in frontierland and it fits in perfectly.I think dlp needs awater ride they dont have any do they?
As I already wrote very often:
Alton Towers and other British parks are only open between March and October. Rain is not the problem, but cold temperature.
Quote from: "Japper"in this hot summerdays you really can say that their is need for splash mountain!
And the resort doesn't only see hot summerdays, so it's not a good attraction there.
Other european Parks that are opened in winter close their water rides that time of the year, but that's no option for Paris (would just be not Disney like to close a major attraction for some months, especially since Splash Mountain
would be a major ride compared to most of the other water rides with no theming that can be found throughout the continent).
Quote from: "Japper"Their isn't really something else to get wet in!
...which is good and there's no need to change that.
Pirates of the Caribbean offers cool air and a bit "sprayed" water which should be enough. In winter it's warm inside. There are also swimming pools.
And in summer there are often water stations where you can go through and cool down.
Splash Mountain isn't THAT wet anyway. Why is a water ride an issue due to cold weather? Thorpe Park in the UK have one of the wettest rides that I have ever been on in the world (Tidal Wave) and come November (when the park closes until Feb), there are always guests on it, in those freezing months.
Guests love water rides and Splash is such a wonderful dark ride, that there will be guests on it all through the year.
I would be so thrilled to see Splash Mountain in some form at DLP! A log flume is such a staple for most theme parks, it just seems like such a natural addition to our park. Having ridden DL's Splash Mountain last year I can see why it is so popular, the characters in it are so great, and I loved the combination of dark ride features combined with the drop, which I don't remember getting that wet on.
I know some are opposed to the Song of the South theming due to its controversial past, but the only characters that are featured in the ride are the animated ones, so the "racial" subtexts of the film are not included within the ride. Even if this was not the theme, I would still LOVE to see an E-ticket flume ride somewhere in DLP!
You guys in France have honestly been without a Splash Moutain for all of these years? I can't believe this attraction wasn't added when the park opened. It's such a classic attraction. I wonder what WDI's logic was by not including it in the Paris park but including it in the others.
I believe it was mainly due to the story being pretty unknown in France.
They'll get one though, the sooner the better IMO
Quote from: "disneyreporter"I wonder what WDI's logic was by not including it in the Paris park but including it in the others.
Quote from: "Fever"I believe it was mainly due to the story being pretty unknown in France.
I also think there wasn't enough money to do another big attraction. Otherwise they probably would've build something along the lines of Discovery Mountain instead anyway.
Quote from: "Remco K."Quote from: "disneyreporter"I wonder what WDI's logic was by not including it in the Paris park but including it in the others.
Quote from: "Fever"I believe it was mainly due to the story being pretty unknown in France.
I also think there wasn't enough money to do another big attraction. Otherwise they probably would've build something along the lines of Discovery Mountain instead anyway.
Ye thats a good point remco because as we know splash mountain is an E ticket (A.ka - a very exspensive ride!)
But i agree that it should be built soon :D
Regarding the theme, perhaps WDI could take an idea that was meant for WDW and use it in Paris and incorporate a "splash mountain" type drop into it? Western River Expedition! It could potentially fit very well within Frontierland and Thunder Mesa and would finally get this great concept realised!
I would love a totally new take on the Splash Mountain idea.
I've been thinking about a Mount Prometheus version. Instead of using a Journey to the centre of the Earth like the original Mount Prometheus I would like an Indiana Jones adventure-like theme. It would kinda unite the rumours of a Splash Mountain and Indiana Jones Adventure.
It could work very well and be slightly darker than the Song of the South movie. From what I have heard the Tokyo Disney Sea exclusivity rights on its attractions runs out shortly and there would be time for a Mount Prometheus either in the 20th (instead of Little Mermaid) or 25th anniversaries.
I reckon there would be enough space in the patch of grass in Adventureland to build a Mountain, its may be slightly smaller than the original Mount Prometheus but it would still be a very impressive structure. Not sure about planning regulations in the Adventureland area of the park so if anyone knows of any restrictions on the site let me know.
It would be a impressive E-ticket that could easily generate a very long queue.
thats a good idea willow- but i think that journey to the centre of the earth would work pretty well if they adapted it to be a water ride. in the book there is quite a lot of watery scenes (along with a big waterfall at its climax). The original plans were for splash to be in frontierland but it might be more suited to either adventureland or discoveryland (as it is not western and is based on a jules verne book like SM)
NO! Keep it classic. There are not enough classic animation rides. Maybe that's why the animated scenes of Song of the South make it so magical. If a Pocahontas version doesn't appear, the other more people friendly option would be pooh..not as Frontierland as Pocahontas would be, but could still work.
As all my posts on the subject however, I'm still preying for Pocahontas-sooo much potential. Great colours, music and fits the theme well.
hi guys!
i`ve been to disneyland paris 3 times in winter(twice in december,one time in november).
and to be honest i have to say,that a splash mountain wouldn`t work in paris....it was freezingly cold when i was there and i would never have gotten on a water ride. i think what a lot of you forget is that you have to be in a certain "warm and sunshine-weather-mood" to go on a ride like this.imagine riding spash mountain with cold, rainy or foggy weather....it would never be the experience like in florida or L.A....and it`s often foggy in our european kingdom...even if they manage to not make you wet somehow, you still would feel cold with all the water aroumd you... i understand that you all want this attraction in our kingdom too,but you would also want to have the same experience like in the U.S.-parks,and i think that`s not possible....
let`s all dream of it, and maybe they really build splash mountain and maybe it also works....but first and foremost we have to hope that they build a great new ride at all. and i would rather like to see an attraction that works perfectly 365 days per year and that is perfect for dlrp....
so my opinion is that the indiana jones adventure would work better, but maybe disney surprises me,who knows... :wink:
There are loads of different water rides around Europe and they are popular enough.
You don't get soaked on Splash Mountain.
If I remember rightly there is a pretty cool rapids ride in one of the Scandanavian countries.
Quote from: "Willow"There are loads of different water rides around Europe and they are popular enough.
You don't get soaked on Splash Mountain.
If I remember rightly there is a pretty cool rapids ride in one of the Scandanavian countries.
But other European parks close in Autumn, so they don't need to worry as much about the cold.
Personally, I would rather see IJA than Splash Mountain. It seems like a much more exciting ride and has better theming in my opinion. It looks more re-rideable as well.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "Willow"There are loads of different water rides around Europe and they are popular enough.
You don't get soaked on Splash Mountain.
If I remember rightly there is a pretty cool rapids ride in one of the Scandanavian countries.
But other European parks close in Autumn, so they don't need to worry as much about the cold.
Personally, I would rather see IJA than Splash Mountain. It seems like a much more exciting ride and has better theming in my opinion. It looks more re-rideable as well.
A lot of parks do but some are still open pretty late in the year. In November this year I was at Alton Towers for Scarefest, I went on The Flume, River Rapids and Battle Galleons (Splash Battle), I think the temperature was around 2-5 celcius, they were still queues for them.
however, alton towers is closed right now....
i think it`s still a difference to ride a water ride,when there are minus 4 degrees....and in winter degrees often fall under zero....
i`m sorry but i´ve never been to an amusement park in europe with an opened water ride in january or february!
I don't see why everyone is complaining about getting wet and being cold. You don't get that wet on Splash Mountain anyway even when you sit at the front you just get a bit of spray, plus if they designed the water to be pushed away from the boat instead of coming over the top of the boat then you really wouldn't get wet, and then they could change it for the summer months so that you do get a bit wet. I don't see what all the fuss is about! :roll:
Quote from: "x-charlotte-x"I don't see why everyone is complaining about getting wet and being cold. You don't get that wet on Splash Mountain anyway even when you sit at the front you just get a bit of spray, plus if they designed the water to be pushed away from the boat instead of coming over the top of the boat then you really wouldn't get wet, and then they could change it for the summer months so that you do get a bit wet. I don't see what all the fuss is about! :roll:
I don't mind the cold or getting a little wet either, it's just that loads of other poeple will. A couple of weeks ago I even heard someone who wasn't sure about going on Pirates because of getting cold and wet. :roll:
But if Splash was built, I'm sure the Imagineer's would design it to feel more "warm". It would be a bit like what they did when designing DLP, using warm colours and putting lots of things undercover.
right- here is an idea that will kind of sort out part of the problem:
am i right in thinking that the majority of the splash on splash mountain is created artificially by water jets and sprays rather than actually being caused by the boat?
if so- how about using warm water!
you could even re-theme it to incorporate geysers at the bottom of the drop.
or make the last ride scene after the drop really hot to try to dry/warm people up
Quote from: "davidrsykes"if so- how about using warm water!
you could even re-theme it to incorporate geysers at the bottom of the drop.
or make the last ride scene after the drop really hot to try to dry/warm people up
About using warm water, it usually turns cold very quickly. But heaters towards the end could work quite well... :)
hey folks,
so i think splash would be great cause i love this attraction, but for our beloved disneyland
resort paris i think the western river expedition would be far better...
i like the story of this never build attraction, and i think it would be a nice
20th birthday present, it fits perfectly with the theme of our frontierland...
here are some pics....
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Sorry but i couldnt help myself from bringing this topic to everyone's attention again, as there has been recent talk about splash mountain again.
Here's a trailer Disneyparks Youtube channel posted recently of Splash Mountain in WDW;
[youtube:12qehjms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlYzghgp12k[/youtube:12qehjms]
Some great footage in that official video. Too bad they had to use a fake soundtrack, and not the real thing. Splash Mountain is ALL about the soundtrack and its wonderful songs:
How Do You Do?
Ev'rybody's Got a Laughin' Place
Burrow's Lament
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Quote from: "nemo1981"i`m sorry but i´ve never been to an amusement park in europe with an opened water ride in january or february!
The one at Toverland in the Netherlands is open as I read in a report of a guest. They did the ride when the temperature was about -2 degrees. :lol:
I prefer Indiana Jones Adventure! :twisted: