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Title: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: lil-shawn on January 24, 2011, 10:10:18 AM
Hey ya Guy´s,

before i start to present my idea of a new Disney Park, i would realy love to
know what your wishes were. If Disney would ask the Fan Comunity what they would
like to see, or whats a no go, what would you say?

In the next few day´s am going to finish the ideas for the new park, it will be the basic idea
no deep details, for this i would need more time LOL.

Have fun to post your wishes for the new Park, or your biggest no go´s for a new Park.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: dagobert on January 24, 2011, 10:24:58 AM
Taking DLRP's financial situation, I would think that DLRP would get a copy of an existing Disney Park, to save developement costs.
I would be very happy to get a copy of Tokyo DisneySea, but I doubt that such an amazing park will ever be recreated. An EPCOT style park would also be fine.

I know what I don't want: A Marvel superhero park.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: lil-shawn on February 02, 2011, 10:48:04 AM
First i have to say that somehow no one want clones, everything should be original, on the other side everyone want
tokyo disney sea. Sure its realy one of the greatest disney parks ever, but i don´t think this park will get cloned.

After the messed up Disney´s California Adventure 2001 (who needs now a billion dollar makeover for quality theme and to draw in more visitors) after the parkinglot park Walt Disney Studios 2002 (who still is the same ugly and boring place) and Hong Kong Disneyland 2005 (who got build to small and needs now also a big budget expansion to get the visitors) disney realy need´s to go back into the time when DisneySea and Disneyland Paris got build.

Disneyland Paris need a 3rd Gate, rich in storytelling, theming and quality. Because they don´t know now what to do with WDS and they won´t know it 10years later, they should think about stopp throwing in money in something that can´t get done right and save it and spend it on a new park in disneyland park quality.

My idea is to take the rich landscape, quality in theme from Disney Sea and Disneyland Paris, Some Attractions from the parks around the world set in new settings, the culinary world from EPCOT and voila we have a new park in true disney style.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: dagobert on February 02, 2011, 11:21:26 AM
Another dual player since you have to be Baby-T on another Disney forum.

I love how you discribed WDS, but unfortunately it is so true, despite being improved a bit. For example I really like the area around TOT. As long as Disney will not build a Marvel park and no cheap park a la WDS or DCA I'm fine.

But I have to disagree with you on not spending money on WDS. I think the park can be fixed with a big amount of money and the removal of newly built attractions. Disney did the same with DCA. Maybe in a few years we will see the removal of TSPL to build a "real" studio park. As long as DLP has to suffer bad maintenance and WDS not being fixed, I don't think DLRP should think about a third park.

Your ideas about a new park sound good and I also think that Tokyo DisneySea will never get cloned. It's a masterpiece and the park would fit in any Disney resort, even if it isn't at the coast.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: lil-shawn on February 05, 2011, 01:15:21 PM
QuoteAnother dual player since you have to be Baby-T on another Disney forum.
Hehe damn you got me...  :lol:
QuoteI love how you discribed WDS, but unfortunately it is so true, despite being improved a bit. For example I really like the area around TOT. As long as Disney will not build a Marvel park and no cheap park a la WDS or DCA I'm fine
I argee, the Area of TOT is great, everytime am at the Studios this is the place i hang out moste of the time. I don´t have any problem with marvel as long as they just make a land at the studios, but a whole park would be sick...
QuoteBut I have to disagree with you on not spending money on WDS. I think the park can be fixed with a big amount of money and the removal of newly built attractions. Disney did the same with DCA. Maybe in a few years we will see the removal of TSPL to build a "real" studio park. As long as DLP has to suffer bad maintenance and WDS not being fixed, I don't think DLRP should think about a third park.
Sure WDS can get fixed, with a makeover like at DCA, but as long this wont happen i think spending less money on this park and save it for a new one, who gets done right in the first place..
If they would go back to the quality of Disneyland Park and Disney Sea for a 3rd gate, i would not complain about the lack at the studios.

And now i begin with my Idea, it would be a dream park for me...

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DisneyEarth is a Park dedicated to the rich History, Legends, Mythic Storys and Nature of the World.
The Highly themed environment takes you back in Time and in new Worlds. This high quality Park shows you the
Work and Storytelling Disney and Disney Imagineers are known for. The Parks layout is like the one from EPCOT, it will have 3 big Lands, Historica wich will have different Lands or Pavillions, Natures Wonderland and Mythica. The Buget for this Project is set on $2.5 Billion for Phase 1, wich includes:

Hotel and Entrance: You enter the Park through Turnstiles in front of the Hotel, than you pass under the Hotel, themed to a American Cevil War time period and Enter the Park (The Idea is from TDS Entrance). Now you are at the
first Land/ Pavilion.

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A Bridge leads you from the Hotel over a River or Canal (where you can take a boat ride) to a Cevil War themed Village (kind of Main Street USA) and Harbour. Here you find Shops, Restaurants and Meet and Greets.
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(Concept Art from Disney´s America, a never build Park)
After passing the Bridge, you enter the Village. If you pass half the way down the Street, you can walk right to a
little side Street who leads you to an Attraction.

Industrial Revolution: This Coaster ride travels through a Landscape with Heavy Industry and blast furnaces.
On either Side of the Coaster, you can explore American technology that have defined the American industry in that Time.
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(Concept Art from Disney´s America)

Now you can walk back the side Street to the main Street of this Land, go right again and walk to the end . now your
at the Harbour, here you find the Viewing area for the Nighttime Show, a Ship from the time of the Boston Tea Party, and other Props. The Ship is a little Walk Through Attraction. The Nighttime Show will be shown 5 Time in the Week.

World of Magic: This Show uses the Technic from World of Color, Pyro from illumination and part of the Story and
Props from TDS Legends of Mythica. Disney Characters from Movies like, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan, Beauty and the Beast, Poccahontas, Rapunzel, Spring Sprite and the Fire Bird, and other Villains will also be shown. Some of the Movies will Represent some of the Lands or Pavillions from Historica.

This is the first part. Next Time we are going clock wise around the park. Hope you liked it so far.
I know some Attractions will be clones from other Parks, but it will have also some unique Attractions.
So keep Looking for the second part...
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: dagobert on February 06, 2011, 11:53:25 AM
Finally I found some time to read your ideas about a new park. In general I think you have some very good ideas, but I don't like the name of the park. It sounds a bit lame to me.

The only thing I'm not too happy about is that it is centered so much about the American influence on industrial revolution. Here in Europe it should be about the European history of the industry. For example England, since it was there where the steam train and other machines related to steam were invented.

I can't wait to see the other parts.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: lil-shawn on February 07, 2011, 10:55:51 AM
Thats just a little part of the whole park, this american section is not much bigger than main street usa...

yeah the park name is not good i know. this was the first one i came up with and used it. i have another one called
DisneyHistorica. but i think this won´t work too, because of the mythica land and the nature wonderland. maybe someone come up wit ha good name of it when the whole thing is done :-)

by the way thanks for your compliment...
And here its Part Two of my 3rd Park Idea.

QuoteNow we are going clock wise from the American Harbour and Travel back in Time
and Welcome you in the...

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You walk on a Bridge over the Canal and step into Venice or you take the Canal Boats from American Harbour and drive to
Venice, because the Canal will go through this part of Land. On the Venice Islands you have Shops, Restaurants, Meet and Greets and nice Street Entertainment through the Year. In Phase 1, this land has two Attractions, a nice themed Carousel for the little ones and a Family Attraction.
This Attraction is themed to Leonardo DaVinci. The ride Sytem is a mix of Peter Pan and Buzz Lightyear. You step into the
house of Leonardo, here you see sculptures he created. Next you enter the Ride Vehicle, who looks like his idea of an Helicopter.
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on this Vehicle are laser guns or better Paintbrush installed. The idea is that you fly wit hthe Helicopter out of DaVincis Garden and into a big Gallery, here is your mission to Paint all the Paintings Leonardo created in Color. After you exit the ride you in Venice again. A lot of Expansion room is left for new great Attractions.

Now we have to cross the Canal again on a Bridge and step in, into the Renaissance France area. Maybe its not realy the Renaissance anymore, i think its more part of the next land...

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First you will enter Belles Village, a copy of the new Fantasyland Expansion from WDW, but with some changes. The Village will be bigger, for Shops you realy see in the Movie, Restaurants like Gastons Taverne (//http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpvvs7vWAh1qzfaado1_500.jpg)
Belles Cottage or however its called
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here you can meet Belle. A great Dark Ride based on The Beauty and the Beast, set in Belles Village. If you go ahead you come to the Beasts Castle
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Here you find the Be our Guest Restaurant
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and you find a Second Attraction, inside the Castles Kitchen. A Cars Race Ralley Style Attraction, themed to Madame Pottine and Tassimo.

The Next stop in France is Paris. Here you find the Musical Stage Show, The Hunchback of Notre Dame. You find this Show inside a replica of the Notre Dame. The Parisean Village is themed to look, like in the movie. at the Plaza you have a Market and a Year long Festival of Fools, a new kind of street entertainment.
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If you walk ahead you come into a Forest. Here you will find the Seven Dwarfes Mine Train
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also a copy of the Fantasyland Expansion at WDW. A few meters ahead you find the Restaurant from Tangled
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right behint it is the Rapunzel Tower, it is a Walk Through Attraction, here you will have a great view over the whole land.
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Next will be a england style Medieval town and castle, maybe based on the sword in the stone, the black caultron, robin hood ect. this part of the land will just a smal bit, but a lot of expansion land will be left for future Attractions, shops, meet and greets and many more.

Now moving ahead and you will be at the end of the Renaissance and the Medieval Europe. We are going again clockwise to the left over a Bridge again and Step into a New Land.

The next Land i will show you the next time on Part 3. I hope you liked it so far.
if you use your imagination you know how everything can work thogether and how you can make the transition
between the Lands, to give you a hint. (Trees)  :lol:

Oh and because this is a big Park not a tiny one like WDS the lands are just Half done, but rich in theming, so a lot of
expansion will be possible in the future. I know all Attractions of Part 2 are Movie based, but maybe one of you find a unique one, not movie based who will fit the themes.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: peter on February 20, 2011, 08:19:32 PM
these ideas are amazing, whilst i think it shouldn't be so americanised as you enter. the france idea is really great, but your ideas sound slightly too europa park. if it has extra disneyness then it would be okay
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: lil-shawn on March 21, 2011, 11:27:29 AM
Thanks for the Compliments guy´s but your right its to much Americanised and sounds to much of Europa Park...
Thats the reason i worked on a Park Plan of the 3rd Park, also it will be complet different than what i postet above.
The Plan isn´t done yet but what i can say it looks Colorful :-P
New Lands, great Rides, and a complete new Park Name. Some Ideas from the Old one above i do incorporate.

but first i have to beginn with something different before i start with the new park.
Discoveryland will get a complete Reimagination. the whole project start on April 12. 2017
Autopia will get Closedand makes space for 1 big new Restaurant Visionairs Café
and 2 Attractions Da Vinci Airocopter and 20 000 Leagues under the Sea.
1 year later in 2018 the Attractions and the Restaurant opens but Space Mountain gets closed, The Train Station,
Captain Eo, Star Traders and Star Tours get closed and demolished to make room for the New Disneyland Railroad Station, Disney Electric Railway Station and the High Top Restaurant (a club 33 kind of restaurant, for all Ap´s) Space mountain will
get ne Trains, high deffinition on board sound system, HD effects and the from the earth to the moon theme. operating date is 2019.

The Electric Railway will just run from Discoveryland to Hotel New York and Back. in 2020 the Electric Raylway will go from Discoveryland-to-Hotel New York-to-New Park and all the Way Back. The Idea behind it you will understand when i Start with the new Park idea.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: dagobert on March 21, 2011, 11:36:07 AM
Your ideas are great. You should try to draw a park map of the new park.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: ChrisKross on March 21, 2011, 02:14:47 PM
Lil-shawn: I REALLY LIKE YOUR IDEAS!!!! HOPE THAT ONE DAY THE RESORT WOULD BE LIKE THAT!!!!


Just want to share my thought of the third gate using your concept:

If you want to do different pavillions you could also admit other lands like: Africa, Arabia, China.

Africa:
Three Main rides:
1. Jungle Cruise (but with caracters from the movie Jungle book)
2. Timon and Pumbas River Rafting (like Grizzly river run, but with carachters from The Lion King, imagine Pumba soaking you down with water from his mouth etc.)
3. You could also visit the Lion Cliff, walktrough attraction.

Arabia:
Three Main rides:
1. Put the magic Carpets from WDS in here instead.
2. Do a dark ride of Aladdin where you could transfer like Peter Pans flight but on a carpet. It could be a bit terrifying with scenes from the cave and Jafar!
3. Maybe a Prince of Persia coaster inside a temple or a Prince of Persia Adventure similar to Indiana Jones adventure!

China:
At least one main ride:
1. Dragon Mushu (from the movie Mulan, you could have a big rollercoaster who travels in the chinese village/city, the train would be a dragonbased train, and maybe you would "hang-under the track" like the ones in Universal studios Orlando.

Just some ideas :)

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: lil-shawn on March 22, 2011, 10:02:45 AM
Thanks ChrisKross and Dagobert for your ideas and your compliments. The
park plan isn´t complete, still have a little patch of land available...
If Arabia and China would fit, i think i will use it LOL...

I try to get done with it in the next few days. it isn´t perfect, but i think it will give you a little
idea on the layout and scale. At the moment i found something i don´t like and it should get redone,
but the problem is, if i would do it i have to the whole map again, and this was a lot of work....

In the time you have to wait for the Map and the new description, i give you the new Park Name and Logo!
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Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: davewasbaloo on March 22, 2011, 10:35:57 AM
Please ChrisKross, no more toons in the park. Disney parks when they opened had toons largely relegated to Fantasyland. The parks were about recreating a perfect view of history or far off places. That is what make me a fan of the Parks over 35 years ago. I have not got to the point where I HATE the toons.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: Freddiesdad on March 22, 2011, 02:13:49 PM
I think the idea of a marvel park as a third gate was a good one.  If Disney has spent however many millions of dollars purchasing the marque then they should do something...  They can't in the States because Universal Studios have dibs on them, but that's not to stop them opening a Marvel park at the most popular Disney park outside America.  My Son would go ballistic if he could meet the 'real' Ironman.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: lil-shawn on March 22, 2011, 03:17:33 PM
The idea of a marvel park is a bad Idea, first the ownership of marvel is to young to get identified with disney and second, it fits more to the theme of the Disney Studios as an extra big Land.

just my 2 cents on it.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: dagobert on March 22, 2011, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: "lil-shawn"The idea of a marvel park is a bad Idea, first the ownership of marvel is to young to get identified with disney and second, it fits more to the theme of the Disney Studios as an extra big Land.

just my 2 cents on it.

Couldn't agree more. I have jost posted in the Shanghai DL thread that I don't mind to see Marvel based rides in a Studios park, but I'm not sure about a whole Marvel Park. For me Marvel has nothing to do with Disney. The same could be said about Pixar, but Pixar is more family oriented and Pixar's movies have always been associated with Disney, even when Pixar didn't belong to TWDC. At the beginning of the movie was always and will always be the Walt Disney Pictures logo.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: davewasbaloo on March 22, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: "dagobert"...but Pixar is more family oriented and Pixar's movies have always been associated with Disney, even when Pixar didn't belong to TWDC. At the beginning of the movie was always and will always be the Walt Disney Pictures logo.

I disagree. I have been a Marvel fan since I was about 3, my son and daughter also love MArvel. In fact my son (aged 7) has watched Ironman far more times than Toy Story 3. So I think this shows you prefer Pixar perhaps.

question, how do you feel about Star Tours or Indiana Jones in the parks?

For me, if they feel compelled to use film synergy, I would rather have Marvel than most of the crap Disney have put out over the last 10 years in the parks. But I would like non synergistic originality most of all.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: dagobert on March 22, 2011, 04:00:01 PM
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"
Quote from: "dagobert"...but Pixar is more family oriented and Pixar's movies have always been associated with Disney, even when Pixar didn't belong to TWDC. At the beginning of the movie was always and will always be the Walt Disney Pictures logo.

I disagree. I have been a Marvel fan since I was about 3, my son and daughter also love MArvel. In fact my son (aged 7) has watched Ironman far more times than Toy Story 3. So I think this shows you prefer Pixar perhaps.

question, how do you feel about Star Tours or Indiana Jones in the parks?

For me, if they feel compelled to use film synergy, I would rather have Marvel than most of the crap Disney have put out over the last 10 years in the parks. But I would like non synergistic originality most of all.

Dave, you are totally right about Star Wars and Indy. I didn't think about that. You are also right that I prefere Pixar over Marvel. I can't speak for lil-shawn, but I have never been a fan of superheroe comics. I'm not sure about that, but I think in Germany and Austria these comics have never been very popular, so maybe that's a reason why I don't like them. And since France is very proud of their comic culture, I can imagine that the French wouldn't be that happy with a Marvel park.

Maybe I shouldn't think too much about the comics, because I like the last Batman movies, although they are DC Comics, and the first Iron Man wasn't bad either. But I would never buy such a comic book and if I have to chose between a Disney or Pixar movie, I would always chose the last ones, maybe except for Christopher Nolan's Batman.

And I totally agree with you that original ideas are still the best ideas. Unfortunately it seems that these wonderful days are over. At least as long as Mr. synergy and franchise Iger is CEO of Disney.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: davewasbaloo on March 22, 2011, 04:28:31 PM
And this is why I talk about European audiences in many of my posts. I get slammed by the mods and others, but they are real issues. Just like Disneyland has a very different audience to Walt Disney World, and Duffy is a huge icon in tokyo, for me, part of the facination is how different audiences perceive the Disney experience. And Europe has the greatest diversity of all.

For my family ,we have 5 generations of park going. I am from California, and my Great Grand mother, and my grandmother took my mom and aunts and uncles to the parks. They took me to the parks, and I take my children. This is why so many of the posters on this and other Disney boards have a very different perception to mine. I grew up learning about the Disney difference, strong theme story telling, and live entertainment being the key parts of a Disney experience. Heck, my uncle used to take dates to Disneyland just to go dancing to live bands (kind of like how the Danish think of Tivoli). The cartoon characters were a very small part of the experience, and to be honest, it was not really until Splash Mountain in 1989 and Toon town in 1991/2 hit Disneyland, that California did much with toons outside of Fantasyland. to our family, it was an amazing themed place full of energy and learning opportunities, live music, for the whole family. Yes, we would watch the cartoons or films, but to be honest, they were never the driver (I prefer Loony Toons to Mickey Mouse any day)

Look at Europe. To most, the idea of Disney are the toons, and the meet and greets. And theme parks, the thrills are more important (look how much people seem to flock to the coasters and toon based attractions compared to PotC and PM, or how people actually moan about the amazing Nautilus). The Duckberg comics really are largely unknown in the US or UK, but are hugely popular in Europe. And the Spanish view of Disney is different to the Austrian or Finnish or English it seems. Some of that creates the unique magic of DLP (attention to detail, use of music, people who speak different languages trying to communicate, good wine lists in the park) and some of it the annoyances (littering, graffitti, people on the grass, pushing at characters).

The reality is, Disney needs to look at what drives the local markets, but also to get the balance right in remembering their roots, I think Disney at WDW and DLP in particular have pretty much forgotten their roots, and then the advertising pushing toons and thrills, has grown a new generation of Disney fans that want more of the antithesis of what DL started being.

Coming back on point, the adventurous nature of Marvel has more in common with Disney's work on 20k Under the Sea, Treasure Island, Swiss Family Robinson, Davy  crockett, Zorro and other adventures that inspired the themes of the park, than Toy Story Playland, Rupunzel and Tiana meet and greets, and Toon Studios. Hence the reason why I wouldn't mind Marvel coming in if it has to be synergy,

To me, Disneyland was always about impecible themed environments that made you feel like you were somewhere else, full of live music, attractions that the whole family could enjoy that were adventurous - Jungle Cruise, PotC, HM, river boats, trains, voyages under the sea, in space, or into atoms. The toons were always a very small part, now they are the main.

This is why I am FAR more excited to go to Europa Park and Phantasialand next month. Sure, we will have fun at DLP, but it is becoming more and more of an amusement park to me, and frankly that is depressing to me. After 36 years of Disney dedication.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: dagobert on March 22, 2011, 05:22:57 PM
Don't get me started on Tivoli. What a wonderful small park. I enjoyed every minute there, not because of the rides, but because of the atmosphere. Although the weather was bad, there were still two or three bands playing and people were dancing. This is a park for adults without kids and families as well while Disneyland Paris doesn't care about adults at all anymore. Many people went to Tivoli just to enjoy the music or a fancy dinner at a wonderful restaurant. Nobody would do that at DLRP. In terms of adult entertainment Tivoli is so much better than DLP.

The Duckburgh comics are very popular over here. Each week, each month new comics are released and the Mickey Mouse Magazine is still selling very successful. Since the 50ies the magazine is published each week and it still is more popular with kids than superheroes. You will hardly find these comics over here. They are available but for a higher price and they are more like collectibles. I'm not sure about France, but last year when we have been to Denmark and Sweden, it seemed that the Duck comics are also very popular there. Since the company that published the disney comics in Austria and Germany is a Danish company, I can imagine that the comics are popular in the North. That's why I'm still against a Marvel park. I get what you mean with Marvel being more like Disney with Treasure Island and that stuff, but for me it still feels not like Disney. I have always liked Star Wars and Indy, but never superheroes, so that seems really be the reason why I don't want to see a park based on Marvel.

I grew up with Disney comics and I really miss something related to Duckburgh at DLRP. The Studios would be a great place to build an attraction related to the DuckTales, which are more or less based on Carl Barks' Comics. I'm sure most German and Austrian visitors miss Duckburgh.

I have to admit that I enjoy meeting the characters and get a picture with them, but I don't want to see them in each new attraction. It is so sad that Disney's best attractions ever, PM and POTC, are so neglected by so many visitors while TSPL has waiting times beyond an hour. TSPL can be done by each company, but POTC or PM can only be done by Disney, maybe not today anymore. In my opinion Disney of today is a shadow of its former glory.

I also have to admit that when I have been to DLRP for the first time in 2000 with my parents, I was only interested in thrill rides and I didn't care so much about the theming. Friends who go to DLP since 1992 changed my view on Disney parks. They told me about the wonderful merchandise, about the details only Disney could create and about the fantastic food and wine experiences. Wine is very important to many Austrians, especially when having a fancy dinner. That's why our friends were a bit disappointed by the MK at WDW, because even the table service restaurants don't serve wine.

You are going to Phantasialand, but doesn't that park rely heavily on thrill rides and most of the attractions aren't themed that well, or am I wrong on that? I have never been there, but our friends like Europa Park a lot and they say you will enjoy the park. I can't wait to read your trip report
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: davewasbaloo on March 22, 2011, 05:40:40 PM
Phantasialand used to have many dark rides and the sort, and I undertand they still do, just not quite as many as they did. Certainly when I went in the 80's, there were very few thrill rides.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: lil-shawn on March 23, 2011, 10:13:58 AM
I do like the Marvel, i did read the comics when i was younger and i watch also the movies, but still am against a whole
park dedicatet for them, it will be to much marvel. a break in thmene would not hurt, thats why i think it is better to lokate
a big marvel land into the studios.
the same goes for Pixar, like the movies and they fit good into the studios but not in a magic kingdom style park. for me pixar attractions don´t belong there. in my mind is Disneyland for the Disney classics and unique new rides.

Now going ahead, here are the Lands of the new Park.
Still missing one big land to finish the whole layout and the park plan.
May you guy´s come up with a good idea... To make it more of a Challange the Land missing
should be like the 3rd Land on the List i present you today..
And now i present you the List of the Lands clockwise.

QuotePort Discovery or Discovery Harbour: This is the hub of Explorers, Adventurers, and the Starting steampunk Stories of Jules Verne, H.G.Wells and the early 20th century pulp magazines. Everything from Zeppelines, to the Traveling boats attacked by dinosaurs - all centered around a backstory based on the ficktional adventurer Jason Chandler. This land is the entrance to the park and also the parks Main Street.

Mystic Forest: The founders of the S.E.A. (Society of Explorers and Adventurers) created this Forest, full of Mythical Creatures, Stories and Treasures. Filled with suprises and a Mansion as Mythical as the Forest itself. This Land is the Second you will see after entering the Park.

Lost Worlds: Come and visit the great Civilisations of the Lost World. Atlantis is back in the Sunlight, the Egypts restored they´re Temples and Pyramides to its full glory, for the Return of the Gods. Out of the Jungle will the Atzteks rise again. The Third Land in the Park and also one of the Biggest. Lost Worlds has 3 little Lands in itself.

Pride Island: A Island based on the Greatest Disney Movie THE LION KING. Step into the Pride Land and explore Simbas World. But watch out the Shadowland isn´t far away, scar awaits you to visit his place. The pride Land is designed as an Island in the Park to break the mainland layout. The fourth land you can see in the Park. Here you can walk down to another island or back to the mainland.

Villains Island: Are you ready for Disney´s Villains? Step in to they´re own Island. Full of Fear and thrills, the Disney Villains show they´re best side and try to frighten you. No hero to save you and no good soulds around, this Island is the Darkest place in the Park. The Fifth land in the park, from Pride Island you can got through Scars Cave and step into the Villains Island. Also you can go from Port Discovery/ Discovery Harbor through a tunnel at the big Vulcano.

Mountain Range Nationalpark: A land that show you the great and beautiful nature of the world. surroundet by Mountains, waterfalls, rivers, geysers. everything that WOW guests. This Land is on the right side of the Entrance, if you walk against the clock.

Glacier Bay: The second part of the National Park, this time its more icy and very cold. The great Indor Park of Disney. While you did see Grizzlys at the Nationalpark, here you will see ice bears, penguins and many more. Take your jacked then it will get Cold. You can enter this land from 3 sides, First through the Nationalpark, Villains Island and another land. Also the Boat will stop here that will cruise over the big lake inside the park.

And now is one land missing. what could go there? any idea is welcome.
The Map will be complete after i have the new land, also a list of the lands and they´re attractions will come soon.
Title: Re: Disneyland Paris 3rd Theme Park...
Post by: peter on March 23, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
mouseland, all your favourite disney mice. not mickey, but the rescuers, possibly set as a swampland like the first film