One of the major faults with Crush's Coaster is the long queues it always seems to have. Many parties are in a group of 3 meaning vehicles go with only 75% capacity used! One way of cutting down the waiting time for those that don't want to wait and don't mind riding with strangers is to have a single rider option. This usually involves being issued a single rider pass by the cast member and going up the exit way where a cast member will direct you to a waiting area until a ride is available with a spare seat. I've just returned from Disneyland in California - had an awesome trip. One thing I have noticed since my last trip is that several rides offer a single rider option. They have done this for many years on 'Indiana Jones Adventure' (still my favourate ride EVER) but now offer it on 'Splash Mountain' as well as several rides at California Adventure, like 'Soarin' Over California', 'Grizzly Bear River Run', 'California Screaming' and 'Toy Story Midway Mania'. These are attractions that often go with an emply seat - especially where a group of 3 is riding.
What does anyone think? Fastpass didn't seem to work so c'mon Disneyland Paris - take some advice from your friends in SoCal!!
Absolutely, completely, unequivocally, 100%, any-other-way-you-can-say-it agree. I was about to merge this with the main Crush's Coaster topic, but it's such a good idea it should stay separate.
It drives me mad too to see just how many empty seats go by if you stand and watch the outside drop for a few minutes. The whole loading area and procedure is crazy, it basically amounts to waiting in line for 2hrs only to suddenly reach the "dock" and be thrown onto the ride whichever way is fastest. When you're waiting for so long, it's stupid that this area is so rushed.
So, what could also be trialled (as well as a single rider line) is to just employ 1 extra Cast Member per shift and have them stand at the turnstiles at the bottom of the steps. Here, they organise people into groups of 4 so that when they reach the second CM they're all ready to board immediately and every seat is used.
This sounds like a really good idea, does anyone know how the trial went on Indy when they did this???
Brilliant idea! Single rider queues would be such a welcome addition to DLP, I don't know why they folks over there haven't thought about this before?
I think logistically it wouldn't work very well.
Where would the Single Rider Line go is the big issue? It couldn't go via the exit.
Single Rider lines by their nature mean that guests think that it will be quicker to get on the ride, thus making the Single Rider Line long, it needs to be a totally dedicated line.
I've never had a good experience on the Spinball Whizzer's (Alton Towers) Single Rider, it was long, it was slow and not much faster than the main line.
Quote from: "smurfy74"This sounds like a really good idea, does anyone know how the trial went on Indy when they did this???
As far as I know, Indy was one of the first rides to adopt this and it must have been sucessful as it has been in place for several years now
Quote from: "Willow"I think logistically it wouldn't work very well.
Where would the Single Rider Line go is the big issue? It couldn't go via the exit.
Single Rider lines by their nature mean that guests think that it will be quicker to get on the ride, thus making the Single Rider Line long, it needs to be a totally dedicated line.
I've never had a good experience on the Spinball Whizzer's (Alton Towers) Single Rider, it was long, it was slow and not much faster than the main line.
With a few exceptions of "Toy Story Midway Mania" where you wait near the boarding area and "Soarin' over California' where you go down the fastpass entrance, all the single rider queues involve going down the exit route with your pass. Sooner or later you run into a CM who will direct you on. On rides like "Indiana Jones" and "California Screaming" this involves getting two elevators to get to the boarding area so it can be bit confusing your first time if the CM doesn't explain exactly what to do. This is similar to disable guests who do not have to queue - they use the exit on most rides to gain fast access. The only ride that has a long single rider wait in my experience was "Toy Story Midway Mania" and that was on a Friday night. Single Rider for this attraction is not in operation every day (usually only Fri, Sat & Sun) and its the only attraction where a CM has to ask a guest if they mind a single rider sitting with them! Possibly because the nature of the game is a bit like a competition between both riders (I thrashed my co-player each time I used single rider).
I'm sure with a bit a careful planning, this could be implemented on Crush's Coaster. Not everyone will want to take this option, but for those that do, it will cut down the wait considerably. Can anyone think of any other attractions that would benefit from single rider? How about "Indiana Jones"? They have single rider on "Raging Spirits" at Tokyo Disneysea, which is more of less the same ride as DLP's Indy
Hmm, didn't I read a couple of years ago somewhere something about a single rider line being tested for Indy at DLP? I am really not sure, my memory could be mixing up things.
Quote from: NicolaiHmm, didn't I read a couple of years ago somewhere something about a single rider line being tested for Indy at DLP? I am really not sure, my memory could be mixing up things.[/quote
Someone has already mentioned Indy (thought they were refering to California) but may they meant DLP so you could be right. If they did trial it, they didn't keep it up. But it doesn't have the waiting time that Crush has and it does have fast pass
Quote from: "Nicolai"Hmm, didn't I read a couple of years ago somewhere something about a single rider line being tested for Indy at DLP? I am really not sure, my memory could be mixing up things.
Yes they did, I'm not quite sure what came out of the tests, but they definitely did. Although Crush needs one a lot more than Indy I think :roll:
I think this is a brilliant idea and should be on all rides! It would cut down waiting times, esp on the popular ones but also sometimes 1 person wants to go on something but just doesn't want to go alone! This would ensure they could sit beside someone! It would also appeal to single people to go to disney too! =D>
I wonder why they don't do this! :?
Quote from: "Aveen2008"I think this is a brilliant idea and should be on all rides! It would cut down waiting times, esp on the popular ones but also sometimes 1 person wants to go on something but just doesn't want to go alone! This would ensure they could sit beside someone! It would also appeal to single people to go to disney too! =D>
I wonder why they don't do this! :?
They ONLY seem to impliment this for rides that, due to the size of the ride vehicles and the size of peoples parties, often go with an empty seat. So it is perfect for Crush's Coaster
this 'single line' is a great idea.
at port aventura in spain the have this system to at the different rides.
yes ofcourse the have a shorter time to stand in line...
and some people get pissed if the see those singelriders pasted the hole 2 hours waiting line.
so it has his + pionts and - pionts
The idea of single rider on a multi-person rides, the likes were its a long train, BTM for example, or ToT even, I agree with but not on individual cars like Crush, for the simple reason of ride photo, I havent been on crush but is the on ride photo not of your whole car and the riders within and I wouldnt want a stranger ruining my family coaster photo.
very superficial I know.
Quote from: "Waddi"The idea of single rider on a multi-person rides, the likes were its a long train, BTM for example, or ToT even, I agree with but not on individual cars like Crush, for the simple reason of ride photo, I havent been on crush but is the on ride photo not of your whole car and the riders within and I wouldnt want a stranger ruining my family coaster photo.
very superficial I know.
Crush has no ride photo.
Quote from: "Nicolai"Quote from: "Waddi"The idea of single rider on a multi-person rides, the likes were its a long train, BTM for example, or ToT even, I agree with but not on individual cars like Crush, for the simple reason of ride photo, I havent been on crush but is the on ride photo not of your whole car and the riders within and I wouldnt want a stranger ruining my family coaster photo.
very superficial I know.
Crush has no ride photo.
Then ignore everything I just said :oops: lol.
Hmmm. I was simply put in with a stranger. But yes, single-rider lines would be most welcome in Paris, particularly on Crush.
Hope it fits to this topic.
First of all I totally agree with the Single Rider Queue.
Because at first you won't have to wait that long - alone in the Queue (that's boring if you're for yourself) and second it would as already mentioned fill up the shells.
I can't imagine any point against that...
But now my question.
Does anyone know why there are always some people who board directly into the shells (coming from the mural on the right side from the boarding area?) hope you know what I mean. Last time I've spotted many people who embark directly after coming out of nowhere behind the mural on the right and have to wait at the controllers panel.
;)
Quote from: "EDDY"But now my question.
Does anyone know why there are always some people who board directly into the shells (coming from the mural on the right side from the boarding area?) hope you know what I mean. Last time I've spotted many people who embark directly after coming out of nowhere behind the mural on the right and have to wait at the controllers panel.
;)
Just a few ideas;
- Baby Switch
- Disabled Riders
QuoteJust a few ideas;
* Baby Switch
* Disabled Riders
Hmm but if you've Baby Switch you also have to queue and after that you can switch...or?
And the disabled riders board just from the other side near the entrance.
I mean the little path where the shells pass by leaving the building. ;)
This entrance uses a tunnel that goes under the track and is usually used for special fastpass tickets if there is a 101 a technical problem which results in evacuation of guests already within the attraction i.e. on the Coaster. Or very occasionly handed out to VIP'S etc.
Ah...ok. Thank you very much =)
I've always wondered where they come from.
;)
I went through this tunnel 2 Christmasses ago when I complained after being stuck on BTM for 20 minutes. I was given a VIP Fastpass and taken in "the back door" so to speak. The tunnel was back then very bare with metal walls and very narrow passageways.
I have used the "back" door to crush. My son is disabled and the disabled rider pass they give out allows you to enter this way. You walk along a bare corridor and wait at the barrier. I have to say that it does not automatically mean you get on the rides quicker but that you don't have to stand in a queue. There are seats for when you have to wait for a long time and this is handy for me when my son is very tired.
Been down that tunnel aswell when i did baby switch, my brother joined the orginal queue and got given a ticket by the CM, my brother then gave me the ticket when he exited the ride and i then was sent down the tunnel to be met by another CM who put me on the first available shell.
Shouldn't be complex to implement, there must be at least three available routes its line could use, If I have to guess almost every third car goes with an empty seat so why its not been done yet baffles me.. I sometimes have to wonder if park operators in DLP have actually visited any other parks in the world, never mind other Disney parks.
Quote from: "ightenhill"I sometimes have to wonder if park operators in DLP have actually visited any other parks in the world, never mind other Disney parks.
Funny you mention that. Because on my recent trip to WDW I actually found its operations lacking compared to Paris... especially in its crowd control department.
Quote from: "experiment627"Funny you mention that. Because on my recent trip to WDW I actually found its operations lacking compared to Paris... especially in its crowd control department.
Im talking about the existance in the world of single rider lines.. I am presuming you saw those before someone starts a "
my parks better than there park thread"Whats needed at DLP are solutions from management, not this current
Can't do it attitude that seems to be growing.. I dont want to hear something can't be done I want to know what your going to do to find a solution to the problem wether it be the Line at Crush or the front of Studio 1..
Now I haven't been to Walt Disney Studios Paris, but I can feel the 'crush' at Crush's coaster as I see pictures of long lines for the attraction and for the occasional FASTPASS machines.
I think a single-rider would be perfect for this attraction. I have used the single-ride line for Splash Mountain at Disneyland and Mullholland Madness at DCA. The former was a bit of a wait, but nothing compared to the 85-minute stand-by line.
However, it works like a miracle for Mulholland Madness. I always used the single-line for Mulholland Madness (my family hates the attraction), especially when the stand-by oine is 35 minutes or more. When lines are this bad, I manage to get in at least four rides in a ten-minute time period.
Now, I'm not sure that's the result we'll get if we put a single-ride line for Crush's Coaster, but I'm sure it'll be quite a short line for those who do decide to use it...that is, if they decide to add it to the attraction.
Somebody might want to send this idea to the WDS managers... :)
Quote from: "SpaceScreaminJohn"Now I haven't been to Walt Disney Studios Paris, but I can feel the 'crush' at Crush's coaster as I see pictures of long lines for the attraction and for the occasional FASTPASS machines.
I think a single-rider would be perfect for this attraction. I have used the single-ride line for Splash Mountain at Disneyland and Mullholland Madness at DCA. The former was a bit of a wait, but nothing compared to the 85-minute stand-by line.
However, it works like a miracle for Mulholland Madness. I always used the single-line for Mulholland Madness (my family hates the attraction), especially when the stand-by oine is 35 minutes or more. When lines are this bad, I manage to get in at least four rides in a ten-minute time period.
Now, I'm not sure that's the result we'll get if we put a single-ride line for Crush's Coaster, but I'm sure it'll be quite a short line for those who do decide to use it...that is, if they decide to add it to the attraction.
Somebody might want to send this idea to the WDS managers... :)
Now it interesting that you should bring that up, because Mulholland Madnes is a very similar ride to Crush, perhaps proof that the system could work well. The only issue would be where exactly they could put a single rider queue :-k
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"The only issue would be where exactly they could put a single rider queue :-k
If thats an issue they can't solve they may as well give up the whole thing right now and close down.. Mind you based on what i saw last week they seem incapable at the moment of running the normal FP queues on any ride never mind coping with a single rider line..
Disney Central Plaza members report a Single Riders queue was being tested past weekend.
...Although the queue was apparently routed through the backstage passageway beneath the first lift hill. Surely that tiny passage couldn't become a queue line? Although it is suitable for single rider tests in that you can't stand side by side with someone.
Quote from: "Kristof"Disney Central Plaza members report a Single Riders queue was being tested past weekend.
Yay! Power to the people. Do you think someone actually read this and realised what a good idea it was? I hope so.
I think Crush should both have a single rider queu AND a fast pass system :)
The waiting times for the ride can get silly (75 minutes last Saturday X_x)
Quote from: "mattboywonder"Quote from: "smurfy74"This sounds like a really good idea, does anyone know how the trial went on Indy when they did this???
As far as I know, Indy was one of the first rides to adopt this and it must have been sucessful as it has been in place for several years now
? I haven't seen anything around Indy that points towards single riders? I dont think Indy even needs it to be honest. Its a reliable ride, and the queue moves quickly.
But Crush definitely needs it. DEFINITELY.