I know you guys find these post annoying but i was thinking of it when i went to DisneyLand Resort Paris (DLRP) a few weeks ago. They only have two parks and in fairness Disney Studios is pretty small compared to the Disney Park. If you look at an overhead shot of Disneyland Paris you will see that there is tonnes of space around the resort. Would this space be used for future development into another park? Heres a picture of what i mean:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2716/disneyv.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2716/disneyv.jpg)
The space is there. I would love to see a third gate in Paris, but only time will tell. The Hong Kong park has just had a cash injection and with roumors of a new park in Shanghai for 2012 anything could happen. Maybe we will hear somthing in time for the parks 20th Anniversary.
I'm happy that there is at least with the Disney Studios a new park addition. Not sooo big as the original park, but still a great addition imo. But hope for some new attractions in the future too.
I have a feeling there already is a topic for this.
But no, they need to expand and improve WDS and get DL completely fixed before they contemplate another park
what I would of done is move the car park on the map showing to the right of Disney Park to the area that is empty where they were planning to put the Racing Circuit, thus giving more space for a bigger car park.
The you would have room to the right of the park for expansion and still have room to the left of WDS for expansion as well :)
Yep a third gate has been discussed before but for my few pence worth I would at present rather see improvements to Disney Village and an expansion to the Studios first.
Maybe a third gate before it's time to meet my maker [-o< :lol:
The space is there i totally agree and also agree that improvements and adjustments should start before a new park or expansion. I was looking on the forum and i think i saw a topic about a Toy Story land expansion for WDS. That would be good! Or would it? If they can pull it off.
Just to confirm. From the WDWMagic site forum in the Disneyland Resort Paris Thread, that there is a topic in there that confirms expansion of WDS. here is both the topic and article:
Topic:
//http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=396256
Article:
//http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/01/toy-story-land-coming-to-walt-disney.html
Quote from: "Mickey1"Just to confirm. From the WDWMagic site forum in the Disneyland Resort Paris Thread, that there is a topic in there that confirms expansion of WDS. here is both the topic and article:
Topic:
//http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=396256
Article:
//http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/01/toy-story-land-coming-to-walt-disney.html
And to confirm in return, we have our own topics discussing Toy Story Playland. :wink:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5175 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5175)
You can check out the other Walt Disney Studios Park topics regarding expansion and improvements in the WDS board:
viewforum.php?f=2 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewforum.php?f=2)
I definitely would love to see another park to the Disneyland Paris resort but I would only like to see this in 10/20 years when the WDS has developed a lot more because it is a good park but does need a lot more development before WDI can even begin thinking about a third park.
I don't think there is a market right now for an extra gate.
I think by the time the 25th comes around it will be time for a 3rd gate. Walt Disney World didn't get its 3rd gate until 1989, nearly 20 years after Magic Kingdom opened.
Personally, I'd love the third gate to be a "Europe-cot", instead of "World Showcase" it would be Europe Showcase. Can't see that happened though!
I can see an indoor water park coming before a third park. If it was Lava Lagoon... perfect! WDS needs to improve and expand before that though.
Quote from: "Willow"Personally, I'd love the third gate to be a "Europe-cot", instead of "World Showcase" it would be Europe Showcase. Can't see that happened though!
I actually think a world-showcase would be better. It'd be more interesting for guests since they wouldn't have been to most of the countries. Europeans seeing European countries could be a little boring. It'd be like putting an English-themed park in.... England! :wink:
Good point, I didn't think of it that way.
Lava Lagoon would be a great addition to the resort, and would add more to the resort's reputation than a third gate at the moment.
The current hotel pools are not great, a totally unique waterpark would be excellant.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "Willow"Personally, I'd love the third gate to be a "Europe-cot", instead of "World Showcase" it would be Europe Showcase. Can't see that happened though!
I actually think a world-showcase would be better. It'd be more interesting for guests since they wouldn't have been to most of the countries. Europeans seeing European countries could be a little boring. It'd be like putting an English-themed park in.... England! :wink:
Ever heard of Europe's 2nd most visited theme park...? A place called... Europapark...? :roll:
Quote from: "experiment627"Ever heard of Europe's 2nd most visited theme park...? A place called... Europapark...? :roll:
Yes. It's crap. :mrgreen: People probably like Europa because of the rides anyway (you know, with with the tallest coaster on the continent and all) and not because of the European theme. A Disney park would focus more on the theme than the rides.
A big indoor water park could rock, but only if MAJORLY themed properly, so it doesnt just look like Center Parcs or something.
But then again, DLP isn't massively popular as the other parks, nor does it have tons of money, hence a lot of the main park and studios park still need rennovating or refreshing, expanding, more theming, more performers etc.
A third park might just increase these problems.
QuoteDLP isn't massively popular as the other parks
12,688,000 visitors in 2008 makes Disneyland Park the 4th most visited theme park in the world. I'd call that massive. :)
http://www.teaconnect.org/etea/TEAERA2008.pdf (http://www.teaconnect.org/etea/TEAERA2008.pdf)
Look towards 2020 before you will see a new park Eurodisney has no money, lots of dept and already has many new attractions in development with no idea where the money is coming from to pay for it.
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteDLP isn't massively popular as the other parks
12,688,000 visitors in 2008 makes Disneyland Park the 4th most visited theme park in the world. I'd call that massive. :)
http://www.teaconnect.org/etea/TEAERA2008.pdf (http://www.teaconnect.org/etea/TEAERA2008.pdf)
I meant the other Disney Parks.
I think a third park would be great but is a long way off !!! They need to fix the Studios first , and expand there before they could think of a new gate.They would need to be turning a healthy profit before anyone would put the money up for a brand new park, so in reality I think we have a very long wait ahead of us !!!! :(
I think its a good thing that we will have to wait a while before a new park in built.
I'd say that Disneyland Park has been neglected since the Studios have been built, all the money is going into the Studios to make it a good park.
Its definitely not the time to neglect Disneyland Park and the Studios just so another park can be built.
Its quality over quantity, in my opinion.
I think there was time scales put in place by the french goverment on the land, that certain milestones have to be reached in a timeframe, thats why studios was rushed, it had to have the second gate open within 10 years or they lose the land, i am not to sure waht time scale they have in place for a 3rd gate, but eurodisney corp have to have the land used, or it goes back to goverment hands.. correct me if im wrong but the moderators on here know more
The more I think about it, the more I think instead of a third park, perhaps they'd do better to expand and improve the 2 existing parks, and work on expanding and making Disney Village more like WDW's Downtown Disney.
I agree, one of the main reasons I always felt Disneyland is so much better than WDW is that it is quality over quantity. As much as I love Epcot and DAK, there is no doubt the MK and DHS have suffered as WDW got bigger.
Given that DLP and WDS are not up to what they could be, my preference would be for more investment in the existing parks. Now, if they could do that and build a 3rd park, that would be awesome!
I'm pretty much of the same opinion of many - fix WDS to the park it should be and spruce up parts of DLP along the way before looking at the Third Gate.
That's not to say I'm against one, its just a case of getting priorities in the right order.
i dont think they will anytime soon the space is here but not the money
Also disney is too buisy building a new park in shangai even though there are already 2 parks in asia
also a waterpark isnt a good idea because of the weather
also it would be better if thety extended the current parks with rides such as the tikki room splash mountain the matterhorn ..etc
but i certainly hope they do open a new park
I think when the time is right (maybe in 10 years time) after WDS has bulked out with new rides then a 3rd gate should open but the problem is what should the new park be based around, Do we want to see a replica of another disney park or a completly new idea?
A replica of epcot would be great but very very very unlikely
I posted a topic in The Sorcerer's Workshop without realising this was here... so sorry about that. But I've worked out the average length between Disney parks opening at the seperate resorts is 15 years and 9 months. So considering that WDS opened in 2002, I reckon we will see a new park opening in 2017-18; but it won't be the huge third gate, it will an indoor water park (LAVA LAGOON!!!) [-o< [-o< . Then I can see a third gate opening in 2032, a world showcase kind of thing, Disney's World Adventure, in time for the 40th anniversary. Only 23 years to go then. :D
Wow that's long I certainely hope they will open a new one sooner
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "Willow"Personally, I'd love the third gate to be a "Europe-cot", instead of "World Showcase" it would be Europe Showcase. Can't see that happened though!
I actually think a world-showcase would be better. It'd be more interesting for guests since they wouldn't have been to most of the countries. Europeans seeing European countries could be a little boring. It'd be like putting an English-themed park in.... England! :wink:
Or a California themed park in California :wink: :P
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "Willow"Personally, I'd love the third gate to be a "Europe-cot", instead of "World Showcase" it would be Europe Showcase. Can't see that happened though!
I actually think a world-showcase would be better. It'd be more interesting for guests since they wouldn't have been to most of the countries. Europeans seeing European countries could be a little boring. It'd be like putting an English-themed park in.... England! :wink:
Or a California themed park in California :wink: :P
Exactly! What a crappy idea that would be! :lol:
Ah...
Quote from: "seanmartina"I think there was time scales put in place by the french goverment on the land, that certain milestones have to be reached in a timeframe, thats why studios was rushed, it had to have the second gate open within 10 years or they lose the land, i am not to sure waht time scale they have in place for a 3rd gate, but eurodisney corp have to have the land used, or it goes back to goverment hands.. correct me if im wrong but the moderators on here know more
My understanding (and this is probably not entirely correct) was that as part of the original terms with the French Govenment EDL had a deadline of 2017 to:
Open a 3rd Gate
Increase Hotel rooms to something like 18,200. This figure currently stands (I believe) at around 5,800. What I'm unclear of is whether the 18,200 has to be under EDL's control, or whether it's just a case of having attracted that number of available rooms to the area.
As far as I know these contract terms are still 'in play', so something's got to happen in the very near future - although I would suspect it would be more to do with a contract renegoiation than cranes moving in.
I doing this from memory, and the information is based on various internet sources, so I'd be the 1st to suggest that it's possible that is not entirely (at all) correct.
Regards
Iain
I read this off the Disney and More blog and I found this quite interesting.
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/ ... uture.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/08/looking-towards-future.html)
I really hope that this does work out for a third theme park, sounds good if true, especially how the plan is to expand the WDS first.
^you beat me to it! :wink: It's also interesting how he mentions a water park, as well as Soarin' over the World.
Yeah, definitely.
I completely forgot to look at that part I was to busy looking at the third park expansion, :lol: .
But I think if all of this does happen to Disneyland Paris in the long term future I think that this would sound a lot more exciting than developments to other Walt Disney Parks.
I hope the third park will be a unique one of a kind to Disneyland Paris also.
Based on that timetable I think around the 30th anniversary will be the right time for a new park.
But thats a long time away, and imo thats a good thing.
Quote from: "Willow"Based on that timetable I think around the 30th anniversary will be the right time for a new park.
But thats a long time away, and imo thats a good thing.
You'd be surprised how quick it goes. DLP seems like a relatively new resort to me, and WDSP is a baby (and they have been open 17 and 7 years respectively).
3rd park... no. No. No!
Why create a 3rd park taking business away from the current 2?
Why create a 3rd park when WDS isn't finished?
Why create a 3rd park when DLP cannot maintain the main park properly? (ok, recently they are fixing things...)
Why create a 3rd park when the current 2 aren't pulling enough guests in?
The space is there but i can think of other things to use it for
Quote from: "TR_Wolf"I meant the other Disney Parks.
If you're talking about the top/most popular theme parks in the World, Disneyland Park at Disneyland Paris beat:
- Tokyo DisneySea
- Epcot
- Disney's Hollywood Studios
- Disney's Animal Kingdom
- Disney's California Adventure
- Hong Kong Disneyland
Are these the "other Disney Parks" you meant? Yes, Disneyland Park at Disneyland Paris has higher attendance than 3 out of the 4 parks at Walt Disney World! So I think it qualifies as a success.
Absolutely Alan, DLP is the most highly visitor attraction in all of Europe, beating the Eiffel Tower, Lovre, Colliseum, Sagradia Familia, Tower of London and so many more.
More guests visit DLP in 3 months than Alton Towers attracts in a year (ok, AT isn't open all year long, but still)
Quote from: "Nicholas-c"3rd park... no. No. No!
Why create a 3rd park taking business away from the current 2?
Why create a 3rd park when WDS isn't finished?
Why create a 3rd park when DLP cannot maintain the main park properly? (ok, recently they are fixing things...)
Why create a 3rd park when the current 2 aren't pulling enough guests in?
The space is there but i can think of other things to use it for
Remember that we're talking about 2020-2022 here. WDS will have loads of time to expand into a full park before then. I can see what you mean though... the article mentions Soarin', Star Tours 2, a WDS expansion, a Disney Village expansion, a water park, and a third theme park - all before 2022. It sounds a bit like the ambitious plans they had for EuroDisney back in 1992, which never really materialized. :roll:
Quote from: "Nicholas-c"3rd park... no. No. No!
Why create a 3rd park taking business away from the current 2?
Why create a 3rd park when WDS isn't finished?
Why create a 3rd park when DLP cannot maintain the main park properly? (ok, recently they are fixing things...)
Why create a 3rd park when the current 2 aren't pulling enough guests in?
The space is there but i can think of other things to use it for
Like it says in the article, WDI is already planning on making WDS a full day park before a new third park comes into play. I know this isn't equal enough to a full day but you could have Soarin' Over The World, then you have the Toy Story Playland and then you also have the new Ratatouille huge ride planned for 2012. Then you also have a night show to be added to WDS apparently also. I think that if the expansion of the park with all of the above included would make the park a lot better and make it a day.
I think in 10 years time if nothing gets in the way such as the Recession or the Economy, I think it will definitely be time for a third theme park.
I also thought that Disneyland Park was pulling enough people in because it's very high up on the most attended theme parks in the world for 2008.
Then you have all the other expansions on top of the third theme park, I think it would work quite well in 10 years time. I don't think at this moment in time you could really say about it pulling business away from the other two because in 10 years time you could have completely different numbers for the amount of people visiting Disneyland Paris which could equally get more business.
I agree with the previous post though this could be like previous where this could all be a lot of rumours and hype for Disney which may not happen which is bad that we have to think that way.
I think the idea of another park is so exciting, and a 2020-2022 date seems to be sensible. Once they get WDS sorted out, and I have faith that they will, then I think the resort would be ready for a 3rd gate.
I would like the new park to have one thing that WDS lacks: water. Not necessarily a water park, but just lakes and ponds like Disneyland Paris has, it really gives life to the park and I think that it should be included when the new park is imagineered.
I would also love for some lakes/ponds to be put into WDS for future expansions.
I don´t count on getting a third park the next 10-15 years. And I wouldn´t approve it.
First of all - DLP never had the financial strongness to make new things. They didn´t built HTH because they had the money. No. It was this famouse 200 Million Euro Deal!!!
Anf then look at Anaheim & Tokyo. Why should DLP get a third park before them?
Compare TDS with our Studios. And compare all the things they are building at DCA at the moment with our studios. We are years and years behind these parks. And to have the money and quality tu built a new park we will and should wait a long time!