-- For discussion of Fantasyland expansion, including possible Fantasy Festival Stage removal, Little Mermaid dark ride, and more...
La Roquine hinted earlier about the destruction of the Fantasy Festival Stage (all the way in the back of Fantasyland, where Winnie the Pooh is currently playing). All the stage elements, seating area and the glass roof will be removed according to him. The actual Fantasyland Station will remain unchanged.
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Sounds like this might be part of a bigger idea?
What do you think?
I wonder what they're going to do with it?
Interesting, there is room to tunnel under the tracks and expand into a small area ? that or the stage costs more than it makes ?
Maybe a darkride, we can hope right? :mrgreen:
I'd like to think all the above, but remember the rummours and excitement as work started on woody's round up? When is this starting? After the summer?
I would have liked to have been inside the building before they knock it down, if they do. :roll:
I've passed it enough but it's never been open. I often wondered what went on in there... :shock: :shock:
So if it does go, I'll not know what I've missed in there since 2005... :shock: :roll:
Oh, so do you think they will replace it by something else? I guess I've never seen a show in there, but I can't remember if there was so much space?! :-k
What's with all these rumours and "hints" that have been popping up recently? :lol: I don't know what to believe and what not to believe!
If this is true though it doesn't really bother me. I've never really been interested in the Fantasy Festival Stage.
Apparently, the theater isn't up to today's standards in one way or another. Not enough seats? Not up to fire code? I can't remember, but rumors have been flying around as always.
Another rumor was that Storybook Land (let's pretend it's called that for convenience's sake) has a minor traffic flow issue and the pathway underneath the Stage and the Fantasyland Station will at first connect to this part of the park. Eventually, the area behind the station will be home to a new attraction.
But who knows.
Why remove such a beautifull building? Cant they just retheme the enterance to "Pooh's Hunny Hunt" from Tokyo Disneyland or something? There seems to be good space behind Peter Pan for the actual ride building.
I have never been in this building, tried to get to one of the Winnie the Pooh shows last year but I was too late so didn't bother going. I hope if it's pulled down that something nice will go in it's place.
Aveen xxx
if they do remove it i hope there is some kind of replacement??
wouldn't an attraction be too small to fit in there?
where would they place another stage to show Winnie the Pooh? or will this go on to the stage to the right of the castle?
What do i think ?....
Maybe some words from a disney gods website :wink:
Quote» Imagineers claim in the magazine "Tales from the Laughing Place" that the Matterhorn was once considered for the area behind the station.
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Now that would be intresting ! :)
Quote from: "Nicholas-c"Interesting, there is room to tunnel under the tracks and expand into a small area ? that or the stage costs more than it makes ?
Heres your answer nicholas :)
Quote» A tunnel leads underneath the station which was supposed to have given access to an attraction build behind it.
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I love the title. "DESTRUCTION!" haha, that's vicious.
But I'm beginning to feel sorry for this little theatre. For years now these rumours of it being demolished keep popping up... the most popular in the past was always that they'd get rid of it and then build a big, proper theatre behind there (like the Storybook Theatre at HKDL) and use the existing tunnel through.
A path between here and Storybookland would be brilliant. Fantasyland lacks those "secondary" paths that Frontierland and Adventureland have... not to mention an extra E-ticket to suck up the crowds. Just imagine the treasures untold that might await... perhaps...?
But how big is the tunnel? It doesn't look very big at all from what you can see on aerial photos. I wonder if they'd have to do major work under the railroad? And what would Fantasyland station look like without the theatre there, would there be big themeing gaps needing to be filled?
So, i just went on google earth and print screened some of fantasyland and backstage.
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In red i circled what i thought could be the exspansion area.
And in black i circled buildings or other things behind the station.
Does anybody no what they are ?
Right behind the station is the loge for the show crews. Behind that is the old fireworks launch facility and on the left the former fireworks bunkers.
Quote from: "Kristof"Right behind the station is the loge for the show crews. Behind that is the old fireworks launch facility and on the left the former fireworks bunkers.
Thanks Raptor :)
Quote from: "denethor"Why remove such a beautifull building? Cant they just retheme the enterance to "Pooh's Hunny Hunt" from Tokyo Disneyland or something? There seems to be good space behind Peter Pan for the actual ride building.
Only the front part (the covered theatre) will be removed, not the complete building. The theatre was not in the original design of the Fantasyland Station in the first place. :)
We've seen several winnie shows there over the years but I don't think we'd miss it.
It would be great for the tunnel to be actually used to access a new area for an attraction. It's true that Fantasyland could do with something new.
Heres hoping to something new .....
Mr_B
Quote from: "Kristof"Right behind the station is the loge for the show crews. Behind that is the old fireworks launch facility and on the left the former fireworks bunkers.
Ah, that raises anothers question... where do they launch the fireworks nowadays? Or do you mean they have installed new bunkers and a new launch facility? :)
The fireworks are no longer launched from that area, that was just for big launch shells. Now they're using launchpads on the Fantasyland buildings and also mobile launchers.
I really like it, i hope it's not replaced by any rides.
I prefer a 20 minutes show rather than a 5 minutes (maybe less) ride :roll:
Not a good idea if you want my opinion, with rumours of the Lion King show either cutting back or finishing and the fact The Royal Castle Stage is hardly ever used now days, loosing the Fantasy Festival Stage would be a further blow. I know the venue has problems with guest using it as a venue to eat in during the more extreme weather conditions but I'd hate to see it go. A new building with a brand new show of high standard like the Lion King or the Golden Mickeys would be great, and just what the park needs. A decent show in a decent venue.
I feel it's an interesting idea, that if it has a good enough reason to happen, such as new area to the land then brilliant, the theatre always did feel rather temporary anyway. Also the view is not really good unless you sit at the back so it wouldn't be the resort's biggest loss to be honest if it did go.
Quote from: "Malin"Not a good idea if you want my opinion, with rumours of the Lion King show either cutting back or finishing and the fact The Royal Castle Stage is hardly ever used now days, loosing the Fantasy Festival Stage would be a further blow. I know the venue has problems with guest using it as a venue to eat in during the more extreme weather conditions but I'd hate to see it go. A new building with a brand new show of high standard like the Lion King or the Golden Mickeys would be great, and just what the park needs. A decent show in a decent venue.
But the park already has two very decent theaters (Videopolis and the Chaparral). I agree that the Theatre du Chateau is very underused (since they've basically retired it in favor of the Central Plaza stage), but surely the Fantasy Festival Stage can be missed. After all, there's also the Studios nowadays. Plenty of stage potential there.
Videopolis unless you enjoy burger and fries has very little seating. Its not really worthy of holding an production like Lion King. Chaparral on the other hand is a decent theatre but was built in my opinion in the wrong place. The venue is right at the back of Frontierland and could of been better used being more centured. Also Chaparral doesn't stage a full time show and switches between Tarzan and Mickey's Winter Wonderland depending on the season. The Fantasy Festival Stage is in an ideal location at the heart of Fantasyland and the park could do with a full time stage show, instead of relying on the same tempory entertainment shows that it does each year.
The Studios on the other hand has its own problems like shows that range from lame to very good, but why should you go to another park anyway. Both Disney parks should offer good quality stage shows. Animagique is rather dated by todays standards and has over the years seen far to many cutbacks. It needs replacing with a new show, I also have to question if some of the rumoured closures of shows like Pooh and Lion King is to make money free for the upcoming Playhouse Disney show.
OH NO! I LOVE the winnie the pooh show, and every show that have been on the FF stage. It's so sweet, funny and entertaining, and something I would NEVER skip going to DLRP. The theatre is small and simpel, but very charming and a great place to watch a show. Everything doesn't have to a BIG action show like Tarzan, or a great musical production like Lion King. Let it stay! I would prefer this very much over a ride version of Pooh (even though it's great to). You don't have to wait in lines forever, it lasts longer, and it's LIVE! I've thought that the greatest thing about disney is their shows and parades. You don't get that any other place, and it's more personal, and warming than a ride. LET IT STAY!!! and I would say the same thing about animagiq! or any other show. At least make new shows instead of rides PLEASE! And of course new rides are really great, but why do they have to be build on the cost of something else?
Now adding on to the matterhorn idea, here is my terrible attempt of dropping the matterhorn from DLR onto the back and me trying to morph everything in (Terribly ! :lol:)
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Quote from: "Malin"Videopolis unless you enjoy burger and fries has very little seating. Its not really worthy of holding an production like Lion King. Chaparral on the other hand is a decent theatre but was built in my opinion in the wrong place. The venue is right at the back of Frontierland and could of been better used being more centured. Also Chaparral doesn't stage a full time show and switches between Tarzan and Mickey's Winter Wonderland depending on the season. The Fantasy Festival Stage is in an ideal location at the heart of Fantasyland and the park could do with a full time stage show, instead of relying on the same tempory entertainment shows that it does each year.
The Studios on the other hand has its own problems like shows that range from lame to very good, but why should you go to another park anyway. Both Disney parks should offer good quality stage shows. Animagique is rather dated by todays standards and has over the years seen far to many cutbacks. It needs replacing with a new show, I also have to question if some of the rumoured closures of shows like Pooh and Lion King is to make money free for the upcoming Playhouse Disney show.
All true, but in the grand scheme of things, Disneyland Paris already has some of the world's best entertainment even without the Fantasy Festival Stage. I'm not sure about Tokyo and Hong Kong, but Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom have nothing to compete with the Lion King or Tarzan. The theaters that hold them aren't perfect, and might benefit from some remodeling (and the Chaparral from a new ride in its vicinity), but I don't really see the need for a big expensive new theater when they can't even afford to give their existing attractions a lick of paint most of the time.
At first, I was a bit shocked to hear this rumour. What worried me most is what kind of replacement to expect here. However, I didn't know about the fact Fantasyland Stage wasn't part of the original Fantasyland plans. So originally, they had other plans with the space...
Now, I'm not saying they're picking up some old plans, cause nothing has been confirmed at all. But I'm less worried on how Fantasyland Station will look after the partial demolision.
Now bring on the rumour mill! What can we expect here? Finally our own Tokyo version of Winnie the Pooh? Mickey's PhilarMagic? Perhaps even a tunnel leading to a future Toon Town!? ;)
Nah, let's just wait and see! ;)
Quote from: "Owain"Now adding on to the matterhorn idea, here is my terrible attempt of dropping the matterhorn from DLR onto the back and me trying to morph everything in (Terribly ! :lol:)
Well look at that... it fits perfectly! It's also interesting that the path at the back of Storybookland goes uphill, which would lend itself well to leading to a Matterhorn. But I think we can guess it won't be that.
Putting two and two together... DCA is getting a certain dark ride. MK is rumoured to also get a certain dark ride at the same time. Paris was the place that had an extra Fantasyland dark ride planned to start with.
So... Hmmm!
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "Owain"Putting two and two together... DCA is getting a certain dark ride. MK is rumoured to also get a certain dark ride at the same time. Paris was the place that had an extra Fantasyland dark ride planned to start with.
So... Hmmm!
Good thinking! Put on your swimsuit and swim along... under the sea! ;)
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "Owain"Now adding on to the matterhorn idea, here is my terrible attempt of dropping the matterhorn from DLR onto the back and me trying to morph everything in (Terribly ! :lol:)
Well look at that... it fits perfectly! It's also interesting that the path at the back of Storybookland goes uphill, which would lend itself well to leading to a Matterhorn. But I think we can guess it won't be that.
Putting two and two together... DCA is getting a certain dark ride. MK is rumoured to also get a certain dark ride at the same time. Paris was the place that had an extra Fantasyland dark ride planned to start with.
So... Hmmm!
Mmm, I quite like that idea. I'm sure they can expand that area with even more buildings and connect it with the path that leads to Casey Jr.
The biggest Fantasyland in the world is getting even bigger?! :lol:
Quote from: "Kristof"The biggest Fantasyland in the world is getting even bigger?! :lol:
Woohoo! Maybe for the next big anniversary DLP might actually have a new attraction to boast about? At the moment though I just can't actually imagine seeing them
demolishing such a great-looking building, even if it is impractical. It's not like DLRP to be that ruthless... maybe we're going to be surprised?
I guess if The Little Mermaid Undersea Adventure
does come to Paris, it wouldn't be enough to have it at the back of Storybookland with only the existing path to reach it, would it? Think of the people traffic down under that bridge... So do you think the Fantasy Festival Stage (I won't call it FFS.. lol) absolutely
needs to go bye-bye before Casey Jr got a neighbour?
Maybe they could still use the building....but then build out the back of it...and re-furb the inside and use it as a queuing area for a new ride? or even have it as a little walk through area like the ones on Main Street. It would be a shame to lose the asthetics of that building.
Quote from: "burntsienna"Maybe they could still use the building....but then build out the back of it...and re-furb the inside and use it as a queuing area for a new ride? or even have it as a little walk through area like the ones on Main Street. It would be a shame to lose the asthetics of that building.
That's not a bad idea... Maybe the tunnel could lead right through the middle of it, with extra undercover seating and a food stand either side? Probably very unlikely.
I guess with a tunnel here and no theatre it'd be like the classic Disneyland entrance but without the Mickey face:
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Quote from: "Anthony"That's not a bad idea... Maybe the tunnel could lead right through the middle of it, with extra undercover seating and a food stand either side? Probably very unlikely.
I guess with a tunnel here and no theatre it'd be like the classic Disneyland entrance but without the Mickey face:
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Yeah, would be good, and some toilets in there too maybe, depending on how far back the tunnel went.
Ooo and if it were the entrance to a possible Little Mermaid Ride...they could turn it into a small Aquarium walkthrough...to the queues, while still having the undercover seating and food stands.
Quote from: "burntsienna"Maybe they could still use the building....but then build out the back of it...and re-furb the inside and use it as a queuing area for a new ride?
This is a picture I did some time ago for the Imagineering section of this forum:
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The show building at the backside of the station is actually the show building from Tokyo's Pooh-ride. The existing theatre structure could be use for queue and loading/unloading.
A simular system would also work well for a Little Mermaid ride, I guess. :)
Aww cool!
It's a good idea as it will make use of the good space and already amazingly built/designed building which would save money too.
Quote from: "burntsienna"Aww cool!
It's a good idea as it will make use of the good space and already amazingly built/designed building which would save money too.
And the show building is out of sight, so it doesn't require any theming.
On the other hand, I also like the idea of using the station as a connection to the 'Storybook Land' area. I can't choose! Luckily it's not up to me! ;)
I think it would look better without the Fantasy Festival Stage, i don´t think anyone will miss it. The station will look good without it, and i think when something is missing on the
themening disney will fix it!!
I like the idea that this would look a bit like the entrance to DL :D
than we can say we have a little Disneyland in Disneylnad´s Fantasyland :lol: 8)
I wouldn't be sorry to see this go ! It is rarely open and I think I have only seen one show there ! A Winnie the Pooh ride would be better, use less CMs and have a higher guest through put and therefore more people could enjoy it ,improving guest satisfaction !! Just need to find a few million Euros then !!
Quote from: "Timbo"I wouldn't be sorry to see this go ! It is rarely open and I think I have only seen one show there ! A Winnie the Pooh ride would be better, use less CMs and have a higher guest through put and therefore more people could enjoy it ,improving guest satisfaction !! Just need to find a few million Euros then !!
A few ?, did you read this....
QuotePooh's Hunny Hunt has been rumored at having a budget of around $130 million, although this cost included the development and testing of the never-before-built LPS ride system
I no that covers testing which would be alot, but i wrecon this could still be a very costly attraction :roll:
Quote from: "Owain"QuotePooh's Hunny Hunt has been rumored at having a budget of around $130 million, although this cost included the development and testing of the never-before-built LPS ride system
I no that covers testing which would be alot, but i wrecon this could still be a very costly attraction :roll:
They could always use the cheaper California version instead. We're already rumoured to be getting the Hunny Hunt technology for Ratatouille at the studios...
If they do remove the stage, something "Winnie the Pooh" would definitely be needed. Even if they built a proper theatre somewhere, it'd probably then be too big or grand to host a show like that.
Quote from: "Anthony"If they do remove the stage, something "Winnie the Pooh" would definitely be needed. Even if they built a proper theatre somewhere, it'd probably then be too big or grand to host a show like that.
Perhaps they can return it to the Castle Stage.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "Owain"QuotePooh's Hunny Hunt has been rumored at having a budget of around $130 million, although this cost included the development and testing of the never-before-built LPS ride system
I no that covers testing which would be alot, but i wrecon this could still be a very costly attraction :roll:
They could always use the cheaper California version instead. We're already rumoured to be getting the Hunny Hunt technology for Ratatouille at the studios...
If they do remove the stage, something "Winnie the Pooh" would definitely be needed. Even if they built a proper theatre somewhere, it'd probably then be too big or grand to host a show like that.
NO, NO, NO! the california version is the badest of them all! If they should make a pooh ride, that's not the tokyo one, build the florida/hong kong version instead! So much better :D!
QuoteNO, NO, NO! the california version is the badest of them all! If they should make a pooh ride, that's not the tokyo one, build the florida/hong kong version instead! So much better :D!
Well I guess everyone has its own taste. I preferred the one in California. :)
So going with the rumours, Mermaid over Pooh? I'd much prefer Mermaid any day, however; wasn't the original plan for that side of Fantasyland to be based on all the British stories? Pan, Toad and Alice...? Mermaid would mess that up, but would be a wonderful addition!
Do we know any more of this attraction at DCA? Shame it won't use the same ride system as Pan, as seen on the Mermaid SE DVD!
Quote from: "Fever"So going with the rumours, Mermaid over Pooh? I'd much prefer Mermaid any day, however; wasn't the original plan for that side of Fantasyland to be based on all the British stories? Pan, Toad and Alice...? Mermaid would mess that up, but would be a wonderful addition!
If it went on the british stories it would be pooh as it was made by A. A. Milne an english author :wink:
But I would prefer the Mermaid attraction. Would it really matter after all, as they're all attractions to be seen in Fantasyland regardless.
QuoteSo going with the rumours, Mermaid over Pooh? I'd much prefer Mermaid any day, however; wasn't the original plan for that side of Fantasyland to be based on all the British stories? Pan, Toad and Alice...? Mermaid would mess that up, but would be a wonderful addition!
The British part of Fantasyland stops with the Victorian station. The area behind it was once considered for the Matterhorn, not very British either... :wink:
Besides, they're not building Mermaid on the Festival stage, they're clearing it to make way for a passage under the station (like it was intended in the first place).
-- To specifically discuss the rumoured removal of Fantasy Festival Stage and extension of paths between there and Storybookland, please use the dedicated topic (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5206).
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Well with all of the very strong rumours going around about A Little Mermaid dark ride coming to the Disneyland Park at the back of Fantasyland soon, I thought it was time that we had a topic to discuss any views or progress on the project. Especially as the rumours are going very strongly at the minute with one confirmed for DCA, one strongly rumoured for WDW, and also with all of Kristof's crafty little hints. E.g.
Quote from: "Kristof"Ariel is swimming to DLRP soon...
:wink:
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Concept art for the DCA version, if the ride comes to Paris it'll probably look like this.I personally and very excited about the prospect of this ride coming to DLRP, I think it'd be a much needed classic Disney dark ride, and will be a huge success too. Bring it on I say! :mrgreen:
I would absolutely love any kind of Little Mermaid ride, it's my favourite film. :D/ I especially like the idea of a dark ride, going back to the original plans they had for it, never fully understood why they didn't build it in the first place.
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"...and also with all of Kristof's crafty little hints. E.g.
Quote from: "Kristof"Ariel is swimming to DLRP soon...
:wink:
Then when we asked if it's confirmed, he says it's just a rumour! :lol:
I would love this ride to come to DLRP. I would have prefered something original, but this would still be a wonderful addition.
I'm a little confused though - Is the ride going to be the same as the one on the Little Mermaid bonus features DVD? I was just thinking that it can't be, because there is a scene on the ride where you travel below the Kiss The Girl, and you can look upwards and see it. But if the ride is using the omnimover system, then that won't be possible anymore. :? They must have altered the layout or something.
AWW WOW! That looks really nice!
Quote from: "RnRCj"I'm a little confused though - Is the ride going to be the same as the one on the Little Mermaid bonus features DVD? I was just thinking that it can't be, because there is a scene on the ride where you travel below the Kiss The Girl, and you can look upwards and see it. But if the ride is using the omnimover system, then that won't be possible anymore. :? They must have altered the layout or something.
The DCA version that has been confirmed (and is very likely to be cloned to Paris) has an Omnimover system (e.g. Phantom Manor, Buzz Lightyear, etc). The original version designed especially for DLRP had a track layout like that of Peter Pan. As we're already aware, we will most likely be getting a clone from DCA, which means it will be different to the one on the DVD :)
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Quote from: "RnRCj"I'm a little confused though - Is the ride going to be the same as the one on the Little Mermaid bonus features DVD? I was just thinking that it can't be, because there is a scene on the ride where you travel below the Kiss The Girl, and you can look upwards and see it. But if the ride is using the omnimover system, then that won't be possible anymore. :? They must have altered the layout or something.
The DCA version that has been confirmed (and is very likely to be cloned to Paris) has an Omnimover system (e.g. Phantom Manor, Buzz Lightyear, etc). The original version designed especially for DLRP had a track layout like that of Peter Pan. As we're already aware, we will most likely be getting a clone from DCA, which means it will be different to the one on the DVD :)
Which is a shame really because I much prefer the Peter Pan type track.
It will be interesting to see the new layout though. I presume it will be similar, you just won't won't be able to look up to the Kiss The Girl scene (which was one of the best parts in my opinion).
Also, I hope (if DLRP gets one) it is not an exact clone of DCA's. I think it should have something to make it just a little better. The Imagineers did it when designing the original Disneyland Park in 1992, making attractions like
Big Thunder Mountain,
Pirates Of The Caribbean, and
it's a small world a little bit better than the other versions around the world. I think it would be a good idea if they did it again here.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Also, I hope (if DLRP gets one) it is not an exact clone of DCA's. I think it should have something to make it just a little better. The Imagineers did it when designing the original Disneyland Park in 1992, making attractions like Big Thunder Mountain, Pirates Of The Caribbean, and it's a small world a little bit better than the other versions around the world. I think it would be a good idea if they did it again here.
Unfortunately, if they would've known back then what they do know today, they probably wouldn't have spend so much money on making the attractions truly original. With that in mind I wouldn't bet on any original version of The Little Mermaid ride for DLRP. But keep in mind that DLRP has surprised us before! ;)
Rumour goes the parc ight be expanded. I read some rumours on a ducth Disneyland Resort Paris forum, that they might be planning to build The little mermaid darkride actraction right behind Fantasyland station. Also it's been told, they might be planning to build a new theatre right next to TLM. But in order for this to happen, They need to destroy Fantasy Festifal Stage, so they can build a tunnel wich will lead to the new actractions
Let's hope all the rumours are true. I love The litle mermaid
Oh I really hope DLRP gets a Little Mermaid ride, I would love it! :D
I would love to see little mermaid in the park! And I would love even more to see our original version of it opppposite of bella note! I loved this DVD-Attraction-Special so much and it would be sad to see it changed into the californian version. But I also know that the chances for this are very small.
It looks amazing, Ariel deserves her own ride :D
but from the concept art, it looks more like a performance of "Kiss the Girl" with
lots of cool water effects, you can see kids sitting on those shells too :?
I hope it's similar to the ride we saw on the platinum edition of the Little Mermaid DVD. :wink:
Quote from: "howtodeal"but from the concept art, it looks more like a performance of "Kiss the Girl" with
lots of cool water effects, you can see kids sitting on those shells too :?
Those shells are the ride vehicles, they'd work like those in Phantom Manor. As for the concept art, that's only one scene from the ride, there will be more as well.
Here's a post from the Little Mermaid ride topic for DCA (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=12&p=45789):
Quote from: "Anthony"As part of the DCA $1bn masterplan (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=615).
The long-lost EuroDisney/Disneyland CA project is finally becoming a reality... at Disney's California Adventure. In Paradise Pier, the attraction will arrive using an omnimover rather than the suspended (Peter Pan's Flight-style) system originally planned.
It seems it will use parts of the current Golden Dreams on the opposite shore to California Screamin', with an overall theme suggest some kind of lavish seaside aquarium (correct me if I'm wrong..).
Expected: 2011
Concept art
Main concept:
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Building:
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Overview:
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Show scene:
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(with thanks MasterGracey, micechat)
Jim Hill also reports today that it might arrive at WDW's Magic Kingdom by about 2015, giving it quite a few years of DCA exclusivity.
It's being sold as a "major attraction" rather than an E-ticket, since although it's very expensive, they don't expectations to be wrong.
I´ve the feeling the "new" californian version will be a bit shorter then the DVD-Peter-Pan-Ride-System-Original-Parisian-Version
The Bultin Boy
Ohh, now i get it, thanks for explaining :D
This is one rumour i hope comes true!!
If this ride is going to be like Pinnochio or Snow White.....I hope it will be less bumpy and jolty!!
the concept art looks so pretty!!
Fingers crossed
Quote from: "howtodeal"The Bultin Boy
Ohh, now i get it, thanks for explaining :D
Not a problem :wink:
Quote from: "SophieD"If this ride is going to be like Pinnochio or Snow White.....I hope it will be less bumpy and jolty!!
It won't be, the ride system will be like Phantom Manor and Buzz Lightyear (Omnimover is the proper name for that system), rather than Pinnochio and Snow White :)
oh thats good!! i must say i am actually quite excited for this!! even though its only a rumour!!
Omnimover is the proper name for that system), rather than Pinnochio and Snow White
thanks for the info Butlin Boy...I always wondered what it was called!!! :D
I'm really excited in my opinion, would love to have that ride in Paris...
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"...and also with all of Kristof's crafty little hints. E.g.
Quote from: "Kristof"Ariel is swimming to DLRP soon...
:wink:
Then when we asked if it's confirmed, he says it's just a rumour! :lol:
I would love this ride to come to DLRP. I would have prefered something original, but this would still be a wonderful addition.
How do you mean original? It was originally planned for DLP years ago, California only recently picked up on the idea. WELL DONE PARIS!
Quote from: "zanderstarz"Quote from: "RnRCj"I would love this ride to come to DLRP. I would have prefered something original, but this would still be a wonderful addition.
How do you mean original? It was originally planned for DLP years ago, California only recently picked up on the idea. WELL DONE PARIS!
I don't like cloned attractions. DCA's Little Mermaid attraction has been altered for their park, and now we're just getting a clone of that. :roll:
I never have been in the Fantasyland theatre. The last time I was there it looked like a desolated area. Not very inviting. As for me, they may clear the area and expand Fantasyland behind the station. Disneyland parc could really use some expansion and additional rides anyway, and this spot would be perfect for it. And to connect it with the pathway at Casey Jr. would be great. That is also a very isolated area.
any news yet on what is going to happen / replace Festival Theatre and when?
Why do they need to destroy it? Why can they not extend past Casy's Jnr Railway where the giant green gates are ?
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Why do they need to destroy it? Why can they not extend past Casy's Jnr Railway where the giant green gates are ?
That could be due to traffic flow reasons, when Belle's Christmas Village is constructed that whole area is shut off, that would mean their super-duper area would be blocked off and that wouldn't make much sense.
Quote from: "Willow"Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"That could be due to traffic flow reasons, when Belle's Christmas Village is constructed that whole area is shut off, that would mean their super-duper area would be blocked off and that wouldn't make much sense.
Yeah, and it's not really Disney's style to have one narrow road leading to one land without any other ways to go. Though some Toon Towns are a bit like that.
Fantasyland Station as a gate to Toon Town... hmmm, would be nice too.
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteNO, NO, NO! the california version is the badest of them all! If they should make a pooh ride, that's not the tokyo one, build the florida/hong kong version instead! So much better :D!
Well I guess everyone has its own taste. I preferred the one in California. :)
Me too. Although to be honest, there is very little difference to me between the WDW and DL versions, though DL has a nicer and shorter queue. Personally though, I would not want to see money wasted on a Pooh attraction at DLP, but I am biased because I hate him and his friends sooooo much. I would honestly rather watch Hanna Montana, and that is saying something.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Personally though, I would not want to see money wasted on a Pooh attraction at DLP, but I am biased because I hate him and his friends sooooo much. I would honestly rather watch Hanna Montana, and that is saying something.
:shock: :o How can you hate Pooh?
:wink:
I performed at the Fantasy Festival Stage with my college choir in 2004, and it was such a great experience! While I think people have enjoyed this theatre over the years, i think a bit of rejuvenation in that area of Fantasyland will be so much better for the park!
Also, as much as I love Pooh, I think to have the Little Mermaid attraction in this space would be a great addition!
I know 3 things what would do, Extend it, Tinker Bell Meet 'N' Greet & Little Mermaid all in one building.
Quote from: "Owain"So, i just went on google earth and print screened some of fantasyland and backstage.
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In red i circled what i thought could be the exspansion area.
And in black i circled buildings or other things behind the station.
Does anybody no what they are ?
Quoting what was said above,
Those buildings behing the Fantasy Festival Stage is the dressing rooms for the performers because i performed there with my theatre schooll in 2002 and it hasnt changed since. :)
The structure at the bottom were used to launch the fireworks.
Quote from: "Kristof"The structure at the bottom were used to launch the fireworks.
And they still use it for big fireworks displays such as the 14th of July
Sorry if posted before, I'm new to this forum and don't really know where to post this, so, I hope it's the right place :)
many concepts, pics and and a video of the ride here,
thanks to this amazing blog
//http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/05/disneyland-paris-little-mermaid.html
That's some amazing pics, I've never seen any sketches of the Little Mermaid ride before :)! I didn't read through this long text, but it isn't already official for the ride to come true, is it?!
Quote from: "Nala_84"That's some amazing pics, I've never seen any sketches of the Little Mermaid ride before :)! I didn't read through this long text, but it isn't already official for the ride to come true, is it?!
I think it's really gonna happen [-o<
I really hope this does happen one day [-o<
I'd also love to see the Beauty and the Beast AA show realised too, that was be an amazing addition to the park, and something unique for DLP!
Isn't this attraction rumoured to be built behind the Fantasyland Train Station??
I really hope that it gets built. A new dark ride for DLRP would be great.
Its rumoured, that The Little Mermaid will go behind the Fantasyland Station, alongside a Winnie the Pooh dark ride.
It will happen, Disney loves to clone rides.
Based on my trip last week, Fantasyland could definitely do with some extra capacity. It was packed! When you have to queue up to get into Alice's Curious Labyrinth you know something's wrong :-)
I keep wondering though, what would the affect be if they replaced the Snow White and Pinnochio rides with Mickey's PhilharMagic? Is it higher capacity than those two dark rides combined? Would it eat up more of the crowds? Perhaps the original Beauty and the Beast site would be large enough for Mickey's PhilharMagic?
But going back to the original topic, I would love to see either a Little Mermaid, or just a Winnie The Pooh, dark ride behind the Fantasyland Train Station.
i think the winnie the pooh attraction would fit perfectly behind
the fantasyland station, and it fit perfectly with the UK theme of fantasyland.
but the little meermaid should be build on the location where it was planed befor,
there is enough sace for the attraction...
wherever they will build it, i cant wait to go and ride it LOL
QuoteIt will happen, Disney loves to clone rides.
hey was that ride not planed for us? they had stolen it from us :evil:
thats always the same crap with disney, our good ideas will go into
one of the other parks and we don´t get anything or a few years later
as a clone..
Quote from: "lil-shawn"QuoteIt will happen, Disney loves to clone rides.
hey was that ride not planed for us? they had stolen it from us :evil:
thats always the same crap with disney, our good ideas will go into
one of the other parks and we don´t get anything or a few years later
as a clone..
I think the ride which will be built in California Adventure will be very different to what was planned for Paris.
This is just a hunch, but I think the ride seen in the promo-video is dead. Some ideas may make it to the final ride but I can see a lot of changes.
You're right. The ride that they're building at Disney's California Adventure is not the same as what was planned for Disneyland Paris.
The DLP version was a suspended dark ride, similar to Peter Pan's Flight, with changes in elevation. Whereas the DCA version appears to be an omnimover ride, similar to Phantom Manor, on one flat level.
Now that we have this 3D model of Disneyland Paris on Google Earth, we can view the Fantasy Festival Stage from all angles :-) This area of the park certainly looks its been designed with a future attraction in mind.
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Note: I've bundled all the loose Little Mermaid/Fantasy Festival Stage topics together into one.
Quote from: "Alan"Now that we have this 3D model of Disneyland Paris on Google Earth, we can view the Fantasy Festival Stage from all angles :-) This area of the park certainly looks its been designed with a future attraction in mind.
As much as I want Fantasyland to expand this way, it'd be really sad to see the structure of the theatre go.
It'd be great if they could open up the middle of it to provide a route through but keep the two sides as some kind of old English tea room (scones, anyone?), under the glass canopy. Would be very welcome on a rainy day...
Quote from: "Anthony"It'd be great if they could open up the middle of it to provide a route through but keep the two sides as some kind of old English tea room (scones, anyone?), under the glass canopy. Would be very welcome on a rainy day...
That is a wicked idea! A really nicely themed, maybe Wind in the Willows cafe?
Quote from: "Nala_84"That's some amazing pics, I've never seen any sketches of the Little Mermaid ride before :)! I didn't read through this long text, but it isn't already official for the ride to come true, is it?!
Quote from: "Jaber"I think it's really gonna happen [-o<
The ride seen in the pics and video are an earlier version of The Little Mermaid, which was once planned for DLRP. A lot of this material can be found on the The Little Mermaid Special Edition DVD.
The new ride that´s now planned for DCA features an omnimover ride system. The earlier version would contain vehicles which are suspended from the track.
QuoteI think the ride which will be built in California Adventure will be very different to what was planned for Paris.
This is just a hunch, but I think the ride seen in the promo-video is dead. Some ideas may make it to the final ride but I can see a lot of changes.
Yeah i know, it will be different, but the idea is of the whole thing comes
from our missed attraction.. you know the imagineers don´t take good ideas away,
they will work on it and you will see it someday in one of the parks, maybe as it was befor or
in a different way!!
and as i said, if they build the mermaid attraction, please in its old location, the old
concept would work there and the omnimover system too... in this space you could put in the
showbuilding from phantom manor!!
Building the TLM ride at its old location, this has been said before, would make no sense at all. First of all because that backstage area has been changed since Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast and because the entrance and exit of the ride would lead right in to the parade waiting crowds at 4pm...
Put it in the Story Book Land area behind Festival Stage and clear the beautiful Fantasyland Station like the Imagineers originally envisioned it to be... That's how I'd do it... :)
I would really like to see this built in it's original location,I know they have built on the land behind it;but think that side of Fantasyland always seems a bit dead and unbalanced compared to the rest of it !I'm sure they could move the buildings behind it ,aren't they used for corporate events?
That area of Fantasyland is indeed a trifle lifeless, but I don't have a huge problem with the berm there. It's a nice bit of landscaping. Besides, the castle from the Little Mermaid would seem a little strange and abrupt there, wouldn't it? There isn't nearly enough space for such a big thematic transition, even considering the happily eclectic pupu platter that is Fantasyland. Now the Beauty and the Beast area, that could use a little something. There has been a "temporary" fence behind l'Arbre Enchante for 17 years now.
But I agree with Kristof. Realistically, the odds of more than one new Fantasyland ride opening this century are slim, so why not pick the best possible space for it? And that's definitely behind the station; probably the resort's number one "develop me!" spot now that La Terrasse has got its Tower.
Another reason is that the Fantasy Festival Stage is a relic of the days before hub-centric cheapotainment, and its sole purpose nowadays is being in the way. So yes, mow it down, give the station back its sunlight and let that tunnel lead to Copenhagen — or wherever the heck the Little Mermaid is supposed to take place. (Why is the crab Jamaican?)
Quote from: "pussinboots"Another reason is that the Fantasy Festival Stage is a relic of the days before hub-centric cheapotainment, and its sole purpose nowadays is being in the way. So yes, mow it down, give the station back its sunlight and let that tunnel lead to Copenhagen — or wherever the heck the Little Mermaid is supposed to take place. (Why is the crab Jamaican?)
Now thats a chat for Cinemagique... but I can give you the quick low down now
Disney originally wanted to do it... and shelved it when no story came from it...
Disney Hired Ashman & Menken, and they took a look at the story along with the director and took Sebastian from being a Stuffy Brit, to a a Crab from the Caribbean as Disney's directional team refocused the story along the lines of the relationship between Father and Daughter.
Menken & Ashman used thier experience with "Little Shop of Horrors" to create some of the Most infamous pieces of music in Disney History... Part of the World & Under The Sea...
Quote from: "pussinboots"Another reason is that the Fantasy Festival Stage is a relic of the days before hub-centric cheapotainment, and its sole purpose nowadays is being in the way. So yes, mow it down, give the station back its sunlight and let that tunnel lead to Copenhagen — or wherever the heck the Little Mermaid is supposed to take place. (Why is the crab Jamaican?)
I have always been so confused by the supposed location of The Little Mermaid!? Sometimes I think it's the Caribbean, sometimes the Mediterranean, it always keeps me guessing!
But regardless of my geographical confusion, I really hope the people behind DLP start to develop the space behind the station. I think we have the best Fantasyland out of all the Disney parks, although some of the attractions seriously need a good seeing to, Alice's Curious Labyrinth should be job number 1. I absolutely love Fantasyland and could spend hours there, so more attractions/themed areas would be a major plus point in my book :) and I think Ariel would be feel very much at home here!
The only obvious downside to putting an expensive E-Ticket behind Fantasyland is that it'd have to close early every time there's fireworks. Although that's not exactly often.
Also, I'd always assumed the theatre's stage was actually in the Fantasyland Station building. Is it not?
Quote from: "Anthony"The only obvious downside to putting an expensive E-Ticket behind Fantasyland is that it'd have to close early every time there's fireworks. Although that's not exactly often.
Also, I'd always assumed the theatre's stage was actually in the Fantasyland Station building. Is it not?
I performed on the stage with my college choir in 2004, but it's hard to tell where the stage actually is. I personally think the stage itself
is under the station, and only the seating is covered by the glass roof. I'm not sure though, does anyone else know any more information about this?
Looking at Google Earth and the side of the building, it looks like it goes under the station. I can't imagine there would be sufficient room if it didn't. They could then use this underground space to create a tunnel to get under the station.
Having attractions behind the station would mean that Casey Jnr and Storybook Land would be less isolated and makes sense to me. They could be joined and make the guest flow so much better, as stated earlier Fantasyland gets crowded now even in low season. =D> =D>
This attraction could end up being one of rasulo's clones as we already know Disneyland CA is already constructing the little mermaid,WDW was a go then on hold untill the economy improved (as mentioned by jimhillmedia.com) but now it seems that It's finally been given a green light ( screamscape.com) and continues on to say that it is not just for this attraction but a total overhaul of Fantasyland which was originally intended to happen in Magic Kingdom.
I don't expect it will be too long before Tokyo says they want this attraction will their be 2 versions of this attraction all guns blazing CA version which would end up in Tokyo or a new cheaper Version for WDW and Paris.
Or is TWDC going to put quality before price and give us all the CA version.
I woul definitely go ahead with TLM ride clone or not, i think it would bring in a lot of crowds, particularly from Central Europe and I think the Californian one will be a massive success as well so to replicate that would be great. Though I would definitly add a grotto for a meet and greet with Ariel and maybe even Prince Eric.
The Beauty and the Beast show sounds excellent and I could definitely see that fitting in very well with a proposed French revolution along with the rumoured Ratatouille ride.
I am a little bored with Fantasyland if I'm being honest so any additions are welcome in my opinion.
a little mermaid dark ride would be great, but if they really want to build it in the back , then they actually have to build another attraction too i think. It would seem too lonely there, very at the outside. I don't hope they build the matterhorn there. Ok it would be an interesting experiment, but honestly, it wouldn't fit to fantasy land!
How great it would be to see The Little Mermaid finally appear (in one way), but why not keeping it the unique ride it was? Just like on the DVD. Flying through the scenes. It would be smaller, but different from the other version( s ).
I once read rumours Toon Town would be build behind the Fantasyland Trainstation. That would be great. I really miss it in our park.
I would love TLM ride to come to DLP me and DD really enjoyed the video of the ride. The only thing is I think it should be in chronological order as its all over the place in the video
*cough*
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Walt Disney World's future Ariel's Adventure dark ride. :wink:
it looks very good, like the one it was planed for our park :wink:
its funny that the americans, moan about this ride in wdw because dca is getting it too,
blah blah blah, if we would comnplain so much like they do :lol:
oh hold on we do, just look at TSPL, HKDl is stealing this from us :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Anthony"*cough*
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Walt Disney World's future Ariel's Adventure dark ride. :wink:
I would give my right arm to see this in our Fantasyland! Please please please! [-o<
It only seems right that we should get it at some point, after all it was DLP that was destined to have the original version of this attraction in the first place!
looks like its going to be a good ride i think i may pospone my trip to WDW till all the new things are built and is there any chance of this coming to paris?
It's so beautiful, it really is! I think my mouth was actually open the whole time I was watching the Fantasyland video.
I really do hope we get at least one of the expansions in Paris - it's only fair!!
I also followed the (in my eyes - great!! -) expansions of WDW's Fantasyland. For me, it all seems just breathtaking, so many "new worlds" of Princesses :)!
Did they say anything about "our" new projects in DLP though? I've seen those new adverts fpr TSPL, but did they mention anything about our Disneyland Park (f.e. Little Mermaid attraction) on the EXPO?!
Quote from: "Nala_84"Did they say anything about "our" new projects in DLP though? I've seen those new adverts fpr TSPL, but did they mention anything about our Disneyland Park (f.e. Little Mermaid attraction) on the EXPO?!
No, nothing. They didn't actually even acknowledge that Toy Story Land at HKDL was originally created just for Paris (if that's a good thing).
There's a topic about the D23 Expo here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7652&start=20 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7652&start=20)
In case you missed these three beautiful images from the other thread, here they are again. Three crops of the concept art for the Magic Kingdom's Fantasyland expansion:
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Just breath taking pictures :shock:
If only 20% would ever come to Paris...... :?:
The thing is; Paris' Fantasyland is already great. Theirs is awful.
Quote from: "Alan"In case you missed these three beautiful images from the other thread, here they are again. Three crops of the concept art for the Magic Kingdom's Fantasyland expansion:
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These images are great but no way it's gonna look like that when the expansion is over...
wow i'll hope they will expand fantasyland
but i don't think its is a great a idea to put the Little Mair Maid ride there.
i think the have to build on his originail spot.
the feeld between Fantasyland and Discoveryland.
i would like see a Pooh Atraction there.
but than the tokyo version kind of way.
not only the atraction version but the outside of the 'area' to.
but i alsoo like the idea of a toon town.
our toon studios doesn't look like at all to toon town's in the usa parks and the tokyo park.
i think it's a realy + piont for the park.
to see the house of mickey, minnie, goofy and the rest of the gang.
yes it is a big playground whit one major attraction (toon spin)
but the buildings and the meeting pionts are realy great.
but i never went to fantasy stage.
i think it's very small.
and i also think it is not that pretty.
the station would be better whit out the stage.
Quote from: "Alan"These images are great but no way it's gonna look like that when the expansion is over...
It's very, very likely it will. Disney never leaps far from the concpt art. Try ad find me one piece of official Disney concept art that does.
Quote from: "Imagineer Scott"Quote from: "Alan"These images are great but no way it's gonna look like that when the expansion is over...
It's very, very likely it will. Disney never leaps far from the concpt art. Try ad find me one piece of official Disney concept art that does.
Practically anything in the WDI archives.. I think your confusing concept art with final renderings once a plan is finalised.. yes they do stick to final plans and produce art for that; but concept art is by its nature, just a concept..
Talking about Fantasyland, have a look at the incredible Peter Pan's Neverland theme park project designed for Michael Jackson ten years ago in the topic posted on the Weblinks and media section of the forum. Awesome project.
Quote from: "ightenhill"Quote from: "Imagineer Scott"Quote from: "Alan"These images are great but no way it's gonna look like that when the expansion is over...
It's very, very likely it will. Disney never leaps far from the concpt art. Try ad find me one piece of official Disney concept art that does.
Practically anything in the WDI archives.. I think your confusing concept art with final renderings once a plan is finalised.. yes they do stick to final plans and produce art for that; but concept art is by its nature, just a concept..
.... rofl.... this is the final rendering!
Quote from: "Imagineer Scott".... rofl.... this is the final rendering!
Which has what to do with concept art exactly?.
Try actually reading what your quoting before you :oops: yourself again..
Quote from: "ightenhill"Quote from: "Imagineer Scott".... rofl.... this is the final rendering!
Which has what to do with concept art exactly?.
Try actually reading what your quoting before you :oops: yourself again..
It's the final concept art for the project. It's the concept- and oh yea- it's the FINAL version.
Nice attempt, =D> but it wasn't good enough.
The expansion is confirmed with The Little Mermaid!
Et le prochain E-Ticket sera... (//http://www.disneytheque.com/Et_le_prochain_E_Ticket_sera____a49.html)
(Translation up right)
You mean "confirmed" the same as Ratatouille was a few months ago?
No, this one is real.
The 1° January, there will be a big article about theses attractions on the Disneytheque.
And remember, Ratatouille is not confirmed, but not canceled too...
As long as Disney doesn't start building these new attractions I will not believe the rumours. But I really, really hope the rumour is true.
Quote from: "Thedeejay"No, this one is real.
The 1° January, there will be a big article about theses attractions on the Disneytheque.
And remember, Ratatouille is not confirmed, but not canceled too...
But if you already have this information, why can't you release it now? I don't mean to sound impatient, but if this news really was true and confirmed you wouldn't hang around to tell everyone. :wink:
I don't post now for two reasons:
- I havent the confirmation of some details, and I don't want to tell fake informations.
- I don't want to tell it with simple text. I will have new documents soon so I can wait a little and release a good 2010 -> 2014 planning, including all new attractions and changes between these dates.
Quote from: "Thedeejay"I don't post now for two reasons:
- I havent the confirmation of some details, and I don't want to tell fake informations.
- I don't want to tell it with simple text. I will have new documents soon so I can wait a little and release a good 2010 -> 2014 planning, including all new attractions and changes between these dates.
Do you work for Disney/Euro Disney SCA? Or from where do you get these informations?
I have many friends in the resort, and some are in the direction.
They tell me this for one reason (to quote them:)
Make the fans dream.
Many fans thinks there's no news, nothings good will come.
Many hate TSPL before they have seen anything.
And my friends hate this. I can diffuse information and be trusted, so they use me as a spokesman.
I don't tell more about this because I want to know if it's true. And also because I must be carefull, to don't put my sources in a bad situation...
I can tell you now, there will be news every years ;)
Maybe people hate TSPL because nobody spends €1000's and hours of travel to ride carnival rides with long lines, whether there are oversized cartoon props or not. Shows me how clueless they really are.
Quote from: "Thedeejay"I have many friends in the resort, and some are in the direction.
They tell me this for one reason (to quote them:)
Many hate TSPL before they have seen anything.
If these friends really are in the management, can you tell them one way to stop fans hating TSPL "before they have seen anything" would be to actually
let them see something. Publicly announce it, publish concept art, share pictures of the model, build some enthusiasm about the new attractions like every other Disney resort is capable of doing. So far everything we've seen has come via Hong Kong, all DLP have released are those awful photoshop images.
That'd seem like a better idea than leaking future plans to patch up disillusionment, but hopefully 1st January 2010 will be fun all the same... if it's not, after this promise, I'd be worried! :wink:
Don't worry, we will show you much than simple plans ;)
[youtube:1a1wnzoh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVcveK5Ehw&hl=fr_FR&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&hd=1[/youtube:1a1wnzoh]
A Little Trailer for the 1° January ;)
This Video does'nt show everything in the documentary, and many scenes will not be in the doc.
There is no conclusion to do
i cant view it
Try here -> Joyeux Noël! (//http://www.disneytheque.com/Joyeux_Noel__a50.html)
ooooo very good at getting my imagination going
I'm very intrigued...
nothing so far on Disneytheque - seems he/she is having a problem uploading the video
An April the 1st joke on the 1st of January. But there is still some time left.
Disneytheque has already posted the video, but my mobile internet has problems to open the HD video.
Link:
http://www.disneytheque.com/_Dossier__2 ... s_a54.html (http://www.disneytheque.com/_Dossier__2010_2014___Plan_de_developpement_de_Disneyland_Paris_a54.html)
Yeah, it's late, but 2 hours to upload 8 minutes!
The most important is in the text, under the video.
Quote from: "Thedeejay"Yeah, it's late, but 2 hours to upload 8 minutes!
The most important is in the text, under the video.
Thanks, I've seen the text already.
From where do you get your informations, because I've some problems with the infos you posted. I can't imagine that Virgin will open a Megastore in DV when they closed nearly all stores around the world.
I can imagine that Lego will open a store, because there is also one in WDW and I think Disney and Lego will release some Toy Story related Lego. So maybe they formed a partnership that includes Lego stores on Disney properties.
The next thing is KFC. Is this a new partnership? Why are they opening so many new fast food restaurants?
Sorry for posting this here, I know it doesn't fit into the Fantasyland thread.
I really hope that Little Mermaid will become reality and that Hollywood Boulevard will receive an expansion.
i agree with the Virgin Megastore comment and also my French isnt great, but was McDonalds demolished!!!! I cant see the golden arches going anywhere as its one of the busiest McDonalds ive ever seen. So where did the information come from ???
Yeah, in the the video McDonalds had been paved over, but to be honest, I dont think that will ever happen, its too popular. Also I have to doubt the validity of the claims, I could never see a KFC opening, and it didnt factor in the Earl that were meant to get in 2010.
Plus; is World of Disney meant to go there? I though it was a different shape to that.
SORRY it was a bit off-topic :-"
Look carefully... you will see the arches. ;) No earl?
If just a part of the plans will be done it is a great step forward for Disney. I will place the expansions in the forums where they belong. For Fantasyland:
- Mr Toad Hall update
- Little Mermaid (2014! Building start in 2012); Located behind the Fantasyland Train Station.
Quote from: "*TIMMIE*"Look carefully... you will see the arches. ;) No earl?
Look carefully at about 6min 50 in the video a new street pops up and goes over McDonalds and the Earl certainly isnt where it has been confirmed to go in the Marina del Rey (I think its called that)
Anyway, I think we need, and deserve the Little Mermaid, after what will be 22 Years of Waiting (1992 - 2014) :P
Yes, Dagobert, quite. A Virgin Megastore? We'll sooner see a Woolworths. KFC? Where did that come from? The busiest McDonald's in France being paved over? And Tony's, that restaurant in the Magic Kingdom? In Disney Village? Honestly?
Even more improbably, they've placed a convention center on top of the TGV station expansion. It seems highly, highly unlikely that the SNCF would have their second entrance to the train platforms closed up after all this time, and possibly even more unlikely that Euro Disney would ever build a convention center in such a central spot. (Convention centers do not rely on foot traffic, so it would be incredibly bad business sense to sacrifice prime real estate for such a thing. It would be like building a power plant on Oxford Street.)
A more cynical man might conclude it's the work of someone who has heard the same rumors we've all heard, failed to get all the minutiae right and then added some ideas of his own.
Some nice 3D footage of Toy Story Playland, though. Hmm, if they got their hands on that, maybe they do know a thing or two after all. But possibly not.
Quote from: "pussinboots"A more cynical man might conclude it's the work of someone who has heard the same rumors we've all heard, failed to get all the minutiae right and added some ideas of his own.
As much as I'd like to believe this, I think your right, it just doesnt seem plausible :|
(My english is very bad, I'll try to answer as good as I can)
First: I never added any of my ideas.
I'm trying to show everything I've heard from my sources, but when you talk only 5 min per day with them, it's difficult.
I launched this article too early, I know, but it was too much stress, we took too much lat because of narrator problems, no news from the sources...
We wrote this with everything they gived to us. Everything is real, and everything is from Disneyland administration.
Our sources haven't validate this post, and (I missed them, but I've received a mail with some errors on Disney Village, and the most is still good.) they will help us to correct ASAP.
For the McDonalds, I don't know. That's why we haven't talked about. We are sure for the street, maybe it will start from a little bit upper.
The convention center is still good (as far as I know), and maybe it will include a Hurricanes like.
We didn't talked about Earl of Sandwish because everyone knows that.
BUT we talked about Ratatouille (everyone knows that also!) because I had some problems with this attraction, A lot of people thinks I didn't trust the construction.
Sorry again for my very bad english. I'll try to expend more my answer tomorrow.
Quote from: "Thedeejay"(My english is very bad, I'll try to answer as good as I can)
First: I never added any of my ideas.
I'm trying to show everything I've heard from my sources, but when you talk only 5 min per day with them, it's difficult.
I launched this article too early, I know, but it was too much stress, we took too much lat because of narrator problems, no news from the sources...
We wrote this with everything they gived to us. Everything is real, and everything is from Disneyland administration.
Our sources haven't validate this post, and (I missed them, but I've received a mail with some errors on Disney Village, and the most is still good.) they will help us to correct ASAP.
For the McDonalds, I don't know. That's why we haven't talked about. We are sure for the street, maybe it will start from a little bit upper.
The convention center is still good (as far as I know), and maybe it will include a Hurricanes like.
We didn't talked about Earl of Sandwish because everyone knows that.
BUT we talked about Ratatouille (everyone knows that also!) because I had some problems with this attraction, A lot of people thinks I didn't trust the construction.
Sorry again for my very bad english. I'll try to expend more my answer tomorrow.
Sorry, I didn't mean to get all tough on you. I'll believe you when you say you haven't been making things up, but the video may be a little off on the geography and the details. I presume you're familiar with this map:
http://www.dlrptoday.com/2009/11/04/for ... -projects/ (http://www.dlrptoday.com/2009/11/04/forget-shanghai-paris-lets-slip-major-projects/)
That seems to point in the direction of the rumors you were fed, but the layout seems a bit more plausible, and in line with older plans. It negates the need for McDonald's to go anywhere, and doesn't build over the station. So are you sure that's not what you were told about?
As for all the rest, I suppose we'll have to take you on your word and accept that these things are at least on the table. (Disneytheque hasn't been full of
merde before, so...)
Looking forward to the revisions. And your English is fine!
Now, I can tell you the mistakes we made:
The KFC isen't there, but it will be above the Virgin, and the Change desk will stay.
The convention center hotel will not be there too, but the other side of the street from the roundabout.
In this place there will be a Disney hotel.
That's all. we keep the rest of the map.
Unlike everyone thinks, I'm not the devil, my goal isn't to have thousands of vistors. I don't create news, I don't lie to embellish reality.
I remind you It's realy hard to find true information on the net.
Lot of people says I've just copy rumours and that all. No.
When we wrote that, I quit many forums, I haven't read any news on DLP.
We wanted to say teh truth. Yeah, that's not much.
But try to gather every rumours, and take only the truth, and try to add details as much as you have, and you can.
That's hard, because we know a lot of things, but we can't say it. We try to make people understand, with as much information as possible.
Example:
I say on one forum, that Ratatouille will be the 20th novelty, BUT fans will be disappointed.
If you thoughtful 2 sec, if you try to cross every informations we had:
-A plan. Look, the building is really small.
-A rumour, about LPS and giants animatronics
-Me, I told fan will be disapointed
Let's cross that:
Fan dreamed about amazing technology
The building is too small to have this in
So the fan will be desapointed
Plus, the economics difficultas, you can easily conclude that the ride will be cheap.
For these dimentions, a small budget (not 150M at all!), there is no hundreds of opportunities...
I receive insults, everyone says I lie.
Ok. I don't care. But it's realy dificult.
I never asked someone to trust us. I want to inform people.
If you're not happy, just go on other sites, read press releases, and be aware two month later.
Yes, that's not nice what I say, but you have to put yourself in my place.
The informations we publish are true, when wepublish them.
But, in many communities, you can't have different opinions.
Everything we write is true, and verified. But, everything has been contradicted, because admins (and others) says the opposite.
They dream. That's cool, but not when you dream too much. Honestly, do you realy think we can have magically 150M, for one ride?
When we have the same parade since 3 years, the same shows, and cheap attractions, I don't think so.
They don't want to open their eyes.
Yes, this message will fall over me again.
Wait and see.
i dont think youre a liar either, i loved your video and thought it was great, when you say about ratatouillle what do you mean, what have you heard it will be??
No LPS on Ratz? And just a small ride? That would be rather disappointing.
I find your article interessting and you do good work. I am looking forward to more information from your side!
I can't tell it, but "new technology" and small place will help you ;)
There haven't been any insults here from what I can see, everyone has been incredibly kind.
However, if you're saying that Ratatouille will be too small for new technology, it depends what technology you mean. Look in our Ratatouille topic and we found that the building on the plans submitted by DLP to the local council is practically identical in size to Tokyo's Winnie the Pooh. That certainly suggests they used Winnie the Pooh as a template, and that trackless technology is planned.
Can we continue this in the Future Project Rumours (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=151524#p151524)?
(yeah, here the atmosphere is relaxed, I post that because I know they quote my messages...)
For the Little Mermaid, a model was n backstages, until we release the news.
Apparently, they wanted to keep it secret...
Ive performed on this stage before and been to that backstage bit (red bit on the picture from page one) ;)
there are lots of trailers which i assume the cast members use as changing rooms. :) we kept all our costumes and things in one before the show, and then changed in the actual fantasyland stage building, must go beneath the train ;D
Speaking of models of the Little Mermaid ride, here are some new images, fresh from the Blue Sky Cellar at Disney California Adventure:
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Thanks for the pictures Alan! I really hope that this attraction will make it's way to Paris. It looks amazing. As long as I don't see any great concept art about Ratatouille. I prefere this ride to be the next attraction. Unfortunately it will not get built. That's a real Disney attraction!!
Whats all this chat about KFC & Virgin Megastore in the Village??! Bloody hope not!lol
I really hope that KFC will not come to DV. McDonalds is enough. I can't imagine that a Virgin megastore is coming since they closed nearly all stores around the globe.
Interestingly I note that Jim Hill's article today adds further fuel to the 'Little Mermaid' rumour.
Taken from http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/ ... ideos.aspx (http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2010/06/14/jim-s-videos.aspx%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
QuoteBeyond that ... Given how impressive Disney's World of Color is, Disneyana fans are already wondering when they might see a seasonal variation of this new DCA show. Well, according to something I saw on Saturday, there's already a tentative plan in place for a holiday version of WOC to be up & running at DCA by early November of 2012.
Mind you, this list of future plans for the Disney theme parks did feature some projects that have already canceled / postponed (EX: That Seven Dwarfs-themed mine train coaster that was in development for WDW's Magic Kingdom) as well as a few things that Mouse House executives has yet to talk about in public (EX: The Company's plan to add a clone of "The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Undersea Adventure" to the Disneyland Paris Resort's assortment of attractions)[/i]. So that 2012 launch of the holiday version of Disney's World of Color isn't necessarily written in stone.
Wow ! That ride looks fantastic i would definitley love that !
Me and my friend were imagineering a ride similar to the format of this for a new Princess and the Frog ride. :P Kind of play out the story of the film :D
i really hope they bring this ride to DLP :D
thanks for the pictures x
I'm just wondering, if they're getting rid of toontown at wdw, why not send the buildings to paris
Quote from: "peter"I'm just wondering, if they're getting rid of toontown at wdw, why not send the buildings to paris
Hopefully not! Toontown at WDW is one of the ugliest places in a Disney themepark.
And there was me thinking there was some kind of exciting update..... :lol:
I agree Toontown was a quick pop up land for Mickeys 60th birthday and ended up being permanent ! It is too brash and bright for our beautiful park , although Mickeys house tour was fun !
Looking at the model again, this ride seems to have a similar track layout and duration to Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast. It even goes in a big Circle-Vision sized room at one point (although Buzz's is split in half into two semi-circular rooms, I think).
I think that the plans look exactly like the nemo ride in the living seas in Epcot. In fact I think that they're going to do something v.similar just with some different themeing I'm a bit disapointed by this, I was hoping for something a little more inventive but then again I guess I should reserve judgement until a little closer to the time.
I don't really see and similarities between the two, The Seas is much more heavily focused on the 'aquarium' finale, which this won't have. This is more of a traditional Disney darkride (picking the most interesting parts of the movie, jumbling them to fit a ride and then making it as high capacity as possible!) which is more animatronic/scenery focused, from what I can remember of The Seas, it was mainly plain show scenes using screens to show the characters?
It would be awesome if they did have an aquarium at some point, which had projected Sebastian/Flounder in it like they do at the end of The Seas With Nemo & Friends though!
the little mermaid ride should stay as planned, in a similar format to peter pan's flight. it was designed to be multi-levels, and dlp's should stay multi-level
Quote from: "peter"the little mermaid ride should stay as planned, in a similar format to peter pan's flight. it was designed to be multi-levels, and dlp's should stay multi-level
I argee with you, but if they would do it and would use the omnimover system its okay with me too, also this
ride system can be multilevel... as long as it will gets its original planed facade and place.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"as long as it will gets its original planed facade and place.
what was the original outside exterior meant to look like anyway?
Quote from: "MattyD24"Quote from: "lil-shawn"as long as it will gets its original planed facade and place.
what was the original outside exterior meant to look like anyway?
Here you will find some informations about the Little Mermaid dark ride envisioned for DLP many years ago:
http://www.dlrptoday.com/2006/10/19/div ... ttraction/ (http://www.dlrptoday.com/2006/10/19/diving-deeper-into-the-lost-mermaid-attraction/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
I've watched the video many times, but never noticed that there is a concept art for a Flounder/Dumbo ride! I wonder if the idea for that was developed into One Fish, Two Fish at Islands of Adventure? I know that some Imagineers moved over to Universal to work on the project..
Everytime I see a new post in this topic, I get excited, but then let down :lol:
Meanwhile, over at Disney California Adventure, their Little Mermaid dark-ride gets nearer to completion, with the installation of this incredible Ursula animatronic. That's some quality robotics, right there:
[youtube:qc7yh2t6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pi9ZRz_oIs&feature=feedu[/youtube:qc7yh2t6]
Would love to see that one @DLRP :thumbs:
I love the project manager's helmet with big golden letters saying "FRANK".
But I'm with Soap, this would be an awesome addition to DLP.