Here's a list of all rumoured expansion in Disneyland Resort Paris.
Please remember, all of the information below is a rumour, unless officially confirmed by Euro Disney SCA!
And please use the already existing topics to discuss a rumour.
DISNEYLAND PARK
» Jack Sparrow animatronics in Pirates of the Caribbean
» Integrating elements from the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy into Adventure Isle
» The Indiana Jones Adventure in Adventureland
» Splash Mountain in Frontierland
» Grizzly River in Frontierland instead of Splash Mountain
» The Little Mermaid darkride across Bella Notte or behind Fantasyland Station
» Winnie the Pooh darkride behind Fantasyland Station
» A large new indoor theatre in Fantasyland similar to the Storybook Theatre at Hong Kong Disneyland
» Star Tours upgrade to second version
» Spectromagic replacing Fantasmic for the 20th Anniversary of the park
WALT DISNEY STUDIOS PARK
» Theatre District around Production Courtyard Stage (discuss here) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3305)
» Soarin' between Disney Channel and Cinémagique
» Expansion of Studio Tram Tour with Journey to the Center of the Earth set
» Expansion of Hollywood Blvd. beyond the Tram Station
» Creation of a lake at the end of the expanded Blvd.
» Animagique repaced by Mickey's Philharmagic
» A Ratatouille darkride in Toon Studio (discuss here (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3423))
» Toy Story Playland in Toon Studio with 3 smaller attractions (discuss here) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5175)
» A Pocahontas Indian Village-style playground in Toon Studio
» Rebranding Backlot into Action Studio
» Armageddon Les Effets Speciaux replaced by a Narnia walkthrough (discuss here) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4730)
» New themed rooms at Backlot Express Restaurant and name change (discuss here) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6903)
DISNEY VILLAGE
» World of Disney Store (discuss here) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3831)
» ESPN bar
» A second street behind McDonald's connecting the new Esplanade (where Vinci parking lot and Imax are located)
» Hurricane's replaced by Italian restaurant
HOTELS
» Creation of Villages Natures, an eco-friendly Center Parcs-styled area. (discuss here) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3417)
» Creation of a new Convention Centre and Hotel behind the Vinci Parking lot
» A new Disney Hotel between Newport Bay Club and Disney Village
OTHER
» A Formula 1 circuit on the expansion area of the third theme park (cancelled) (discuss here) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4591)
» A transportation system between Les Villages Natures, the Parks and Val d'Europe
» A third theme park next to Newport Bay Club
» A Water Park (Lava Lagoon) across Disney's Hotel Santa Fe
CONFIRMED
» Replacement of Buffallo Bill Trading Co. by Starbucks Coffee (now open!) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4725)
» Playhouse Disney Live on Stage - Walt Disney Studios Park (Now open!)
» Disney Stars and Cars Event - Walt Disney Studios Park (Now open!)
Wonderful thread! Thanks for putting this all together!
Cheers,
Flounder
There are some really interesting things in this list.
The little Mermaid ride is rumoured ever since the opening of the park. The Winnie the Pooh ride rumour is new to me. The integration of elements from the Pirates trilogy is a rather small but not unthinkable one. If it will come, I guess it wil be in the very near future.
A new Disney branded Hotel would be very welcome, as if I'm correct, the already exising Hotels have very high occupancy rates.
Last but not least: a transportation system! I would really love to see a Monorail coming to our Resort.
Mickey's Philharmagic is something i really would love to see. I loved it in WDW.
I'd like all of these please :D
» Jack Sparrow animatronics in Pirates of the Caribbean
» Integrating elements from the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy into Adventure Isle
» A Ratatouille darkride in Toon Studio
» A new Disney Hotel between Newport Bay Club and Disney Village
» A Formula 1 circuit on the expansion area of the third theme park
» A third theme park next to Newport Bay Club
» A Water Park (Lava Lagoon) across Disney's Hotel Santa Fe
Can anyone tell me if this is true???
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That in stead of a third theme park they'll add the Grand Prix thing? Sounds horrible!
i would love to see Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean [-o<
in WDW they incorporated their POTC ride to include many film characters...
A Little Mermaid ride would be cool as well...
Ah thanks, it's good to see the rumours in one thread :)!
If I could choose, I would love to see these rumours come true :mrgreen: :
» Jack Sparrow animatronics in Pirates of the Caribbean
» Splash Mountain in Frontierland
» Creation of a lake at the end of the expanded Blvd.
» A Ratatouille darkride in Toon Studio
» A new Disney Hotel between Newport Bay Club and Disney Village
» A third theme park next to Newport Bay Club
» A Water Park (Lava Lagoon) across Disney's Hotel Santa Fe
Quote from: "MizzRabbit"Can anyone tell me if this is true???
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That in stead of a third theme park they'll add the Grand Prix thing? Sounds horrible!
The article says that if the French government will pay for the construction of the new F1, it may be build on the third park ground. The article also mentions that it would be there for ten years and that the agreement with the French State will be renegotiated because Euro Disney SCA has no money to build the third gate.
The discussion about the F1 track is actually happening here (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4591).
Thx for clearing that up and linking to the right thread Raptor :)
I would like to see these rumours to come true...
» Jack Sparrow animatronics in Pirates of the Caribbean
» Integrating elements from the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy into Adventure Isle
» The Indiana Jones Adventure in Adventureland
» Star Tours upgrade to second version
» Theatre District around Production Courtyard Stage
» Soarin' between Disney Channel and Cinémagique
» Expansion of Hollywood Blvd. beyond the Tram Station
» Creation of a lake at the end of the expanded Blvd.
» World of Disney Store
» ESPN bar
» A second street behind McDonald's connecting the new Esplanade (where Vinci parking lot and Imax are located)
» Creation of a new Convention Centre and Hotel behind the Vinci Parking lot
i think the F1 is a very good idea, 1 weekend a year (june time)... very good buissness for disney...
I'd love to see these ones:
DISNEYLAND PARK
» Jack Sparrow animatronics in Pirates of the Caribbean
» Integrating elements from the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy into Adventure Isle
» Splash Mountain in Frontierland
» The Little Mermaid darkride across Bella Notte or behind Fantasyland Station [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< *big LM fan!!* :lol:
» Star Tours upgrade to second version
WALT DISNEY STUDIOS PARK
» Theatre District around Production Courtyard Stage
» Expansion of Studio Tram Tour with Journey to the Center of the Earth set
» Expansion of Hollywood Blvd. beyond the Tram Station
» Creation of a lake at the end of the expanded Blvd.
» A Pocahontas Indian Village-style playground in Toon Studio
» Armageddon Les Effets Speciaux replaced by a Narnia walkthrough
DISNEY VILLAGE
» World of Disney Store (discuss here) (//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3831)
HOTELS
» A new Disney Hotel between Newport Bay Club and Disney Village
OTHER
» A third theme park next to Newport Bay Club
» A Water Park (Lava Lagoon) across Disney's Hotel Santa Fe
I'd hate to see the Jack Sparrow animatronic! POTC is great the way it is!
The Little Mermaid seems to be quite likely - it looks like this might be Disney's next franchise attraction with rumours of its construction in WDW ... and maybe even Hong Kong. (Operation wise, it would also *finally* add another high capacity ride to Fantasyland...)
Star Tours 2 is coming. The big question will be however: when? After the last attraction re-do (Space Mountain) wasn't met with the biggest success, I'd understand if Star Tours is not high on Euro Disney's priority list: it's still a crowd pleaser.
But: I'd guess Euro Disney doesn't have much of a choice to update or not once Disney starts with Star Tour's makeover in California and Florida...
For the Studios: I suppose we will see if the rumours about a couple of smaller rides behind Art of.. are true once the new fiscal year starts in September. If they want to have them up and running next year, work on this smaller project should start very soon...
Then of course there's the addition of several thousand new beds on property, starting with the Villages Natures. (Which is quite an interesting project... which in the end, will also need a means of public transport between this new resort and the parks - they want to be eco-friendly, after all...)
Another Disney hotel might be quite probable as well. My guess is that it'll be a bit more adult in theme (like HNY and NBC) to give Business Solutions a bit more of available rooms...
And with these new rooms we should also see an expansion of the Disney Village. (What about that Earl of Sandwich we talked about a few months ago? And I wouldn't be too surprised to see a DLRP version of that T-Rex restaurant which will open at WDW in November... considering how popular the Rainforest Café is...)
Okay, these are the projects I'm betting my money on. :wink:
I also hate the idea of putting Jack Sparrow Animatronics into the POTC !
Think about. POTC is now very unique to us in Europe because everywhere where´s a POTC-Ride they´ve added Jack Sparrow, but we have the original and in my opinion the best version of the Attraction !
Love the idea of the Little Mermaid Ride, but don´t replace any Attraction for Pooh!!! (it wouldn´t be the first time ;) )
It would also be nice to see Mickey´s PhilarMagic in a brand new Theatre ;)
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QuoteI also hate the idea of putting Jack Sparrow Animatronics into the POTC !
Think about. POTC is now very unique to us in Europe because everywhere where´s a POTC-Ride they´ve added Jack Sparrow, but we have the original and in my opinion the best version of the Attraction !
i have to argee with eddy, i love the films and our version of this ride is the best...
the same is with pur adventure isle, the story is nice and i don´t wanna see something with pirates on it...
QuoteLove the idea of the Little Mermaid Ride, but don´t replace any Attraction for Pooh!!! (it wouldn´t be the first time )
It would also be nice to see Mickey´s PhilarMagic in a brand new Theatre
also here i have to argee with eddy, a new theatre for pillarmagic would be great...
and what i like to sea to come true is:
» Splash Mountain in Frontierland
» Star Tours upgrade to second version
» Theatre District around Production Courtyard Stage
» Expansion of Studio Tram Tour with Journey to the Center of the Earth set
» Expansion of Hollywood Blvd. beyond the Tram Station
» Creation of a lake at the end of the expanded Blvd.
» A new Disney Hotel between Newport Bay Club and Disney Village
» World of Disney Store and ESPN Bar.....
for a third park we have time enough....
Tons of new rumours are starting to spread over the fan community!
Here are a few, coming from Disney Central Plaza and other sources
- Closing of Animagique
- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets
- Three small attractions in Toon Studio
- Chinese Theatre façade for Soarin'
- Removal of La Cabane des Robinson
- Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril and replaced by an E-ticket
- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain.
Don't take this too serious. Rumours, rumours, rumours! :lol:
Quote from: "Kristof"- Closing of Animagique
- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets
- Removal of La Cabane des Robinson
- Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril and replaced by an E-ticket
- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain.
:shock: :-# Removal of
both Ani- & Cinémagique?! :-s
:shock: Removal of La Cabane
and Indy??!
:shock: Critter Corral is now Woody's Village and so new... The Cowboy Cookout is such a great themed restaurant.. Splash Mountain is GREAT, but isn't there enough space without removing the other things?! [-o<
Quote from: "Kristof"Don't take this too serious. Rumours, rumours, rumours! :lol:
I really, really hope so Kristof :mrgreen: I'm totally shocked if all this is true...
Quote from: "Kristof"Tons of new rumours are starting to spread over the fan community!
Here are a few, coming from Disney Central Plaza and other sources
- Closing of Animagique
- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets
- Three small attractions in Toon Studio
- Chinese Theatre façade for Soarin'
- Removal of La Cabane des Robinson
- Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril and replaced by an E-ticket
- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain.
Don't take this too serious. Rumours, rumours, rumours! :lol:
Wow - Who makes up these?
I want to start a rumour! :lol:
Space Mountain: Mission 2 is being changed back to de la Terre a la Lune everybody! Spread the news to everyone you know! I overheard an Imagineer talking about it! :D
:^o
Ok my views on these rumours:
Quote- Closing of Animagique
No thanks, Animagique is too good to lose, not the best show in DLRP but still good.
Quote- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets
Now Cinémagique is the best show in DLRP and would be just plain mad to lose it. Mickey with lasers and water jets!? No please.
Quote- Three small attractions in Toon Studio
Now that's more like it, something coming in and not going out :)
Quote- Chinese Theatre façade for Soarin'
Now that's what i like to hear :P
Quote- Removal of La Cabane des Robinson
Don't really mind about this one, only been on it once, as long as it's replace with something good and well themed.
Quote- Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril and replaced by an E-ticket
*gets angry*
And just as the rumours start getting good, they go down hill :lol: I love the indy films and the ride so only i brilliant E-Ticket would be worth it.
Quote- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain.
*gets even more angry*
You are not getting rid of the Cowboy Cookout! :lol: :lol: :lol: I don't care if it's Splash Mountain the CC is not leaving, i would personally chain myself to the entrance of it if it were to happen :lol:
Anyway i'd say most of these won't happen, i just wanted to post my views on them (especially the last two :P )
hmm don´t know what to think, all this rumours aounds like they got a lot of money from
god or trump :mrgreen:
- Closing of Animagique - hope it don´t happen, i like the show so much....
- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets - that would be okay, don´t like it that much how it is at the time...
- Three small attractions in Toon Studio - hope they will do it well...
- Chinese Theatre façade for Soarin' - i think it would be great, but disney had problems with the rights of the chinese theatre look or did i understand something wrong in the past?
- Removal of La Cabane des Robinson - and then? it will make adventure isle boring and ugly, i like the tree and the story...
- Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril and replaced by an E-ticket - in my eyes it is stupid, there is enough place to make a big e-ticket and let indiana jones.
- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain. - hmm, does it really need so much space that they have to replace the cook out BBQ? but splash would be grat i love this attraction in the states so much....
so but these are just rumours, maybe nothing will happen of it..
Quote from: "Kristof"- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets
Wow, so they're putting FANTASMIC
inside Studio 2?! Who'da thought?! :lol:
I can't imagine La Cabane being "removed", that'd leave just a giant crater in the middle of the land. Maybe tied into a Pirates theme along with the rest of the Isle?
For CinéMagique, I'd believe the new facade rather than removal. Animagique I'd on one hand say could/should be replaced by a big LOTLK-type show, but then it seems so popular... doesn't it?
I don't think they'd go replacing Indy. I mean look at ToT - they kept the god-awful La Terrasse but turned it into what is now quite a stunning little area. I'm sure they'd work it
into something new, rather than replace it.
Toon Studio attractions... you don't say! Must be the worst-kept imagineering secret for some time now.
Finally, if they built Splash it'd probably be to the original plan, so Cowboy Cookout would be safe and the station would just have to move a bit. Critter Corral is dead anyway, even as Woody's Roundup Village.
Quote from: "Kristof"Tons of new rumours are starting to spread over the fan community!
Here are a few, coming from Disney Central Plaza and other sources
- Closing of Animagique
- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets
- Three small attractions in Toon Studio
- Chinese Theatre façade for Soarin'
- Removal of La Cabane des Robinson
- Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril and replaced by an E-ticket
- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain.
Don't take this too serious. Rumours, rumours, rumours! :lol:
-Animagique closing doesnt bother me as ive only ever watched it once, like many other shows at dlrp.
-Cinemagique replacement, again i havnt watched the show since 2002 so im not glued to it. When i go next year thats one thing im definatly going to make an effort in to see all the shows.
-3 small attractions in toon studio, well for me if the studios are getting more rides thats better but with disney its all about the look. So if they can make these rides look great them im happy.
-Chinese facade for soarin, ovibously for there to be a facade for soarin that means a soarin which is another great addition to WDS. Although i think the great movie ride would be great in WDS as its a movie based park. But if there were to be a great movie ride then ovibously there would be a different entrance. Im all for the facades in production courtyard.
-Removal of La Cabane des Robinson, Ovibously they cant just remove this massive walkthrough. I wouldnt want it to be changed as this is the only La Cabane des Robinson in the world as all of them are now tarzan. It would be sad for the last one of there attractions to be changed.
-Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril, theres no way they could just get rid of this ride like lil shawn said. There is lots of room for this big e ticket right next to this ride which could make a whole new land.
- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain. Obviously id be happy as i love splash mountain but i wouldnt want cowboy cookout bbq to go. Just like baloo said they probably will stick to the original plans.
I no all these are rumours but thats just my view on them :)
Quote from: "Owain"only La Cabane des Robinson in the world as all of them are now tarzan
The Walt Disney World and Tokyo Disneyland treehouses still use the Robinson theme as well. :wink:
Quote» The Little Mermaid darkride across Bella Notte or behind Fantasyland Station
» Winnie the Pooh darkride behind Fantasyland Station
OMYGAWSH! I LOVE THE WINIE THE POOH RIDE IN WDW!!! IT WAS AMAZING! AND THE LITTLE MERMAID NOW TOO?!
Quote» Soarin' between Disney Channel and Cinémagique
*begins to hyperventilate*
SOARIN' IS ONE OF THE BEST RIDES EVER!!!!
Lol MinniesBestPal, relax... These are all rumours & gossip. 99% is probably never going to happen.
99%? So which one would you say could be the most propable one? :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "Owain"only La Cabane des Robinson in the world as all of them are now tarzan
The Walt Disney World and Tokyo Disneyland treehouses still use the Robinson theme as well. :wink:
Oh thanks raptor :)
It must have been another ride we have which WDW, DLR and TDL had but got changed.
Ill try think of it...
QuoteOh thanks raptor :)
It must have been another ride we have which WDW, DLR and TDL had but got changed.
Ill try think of it...
Pirates of the Caribbean perhaps? :D
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteOh thanks raptor :)
It must have been another ride we have which WDW, DLR and TDL had but got changed.
Ill try think of it...
Pirates of the Caribbean perhaps? :D
Ahh thanks raptor,
Which reminds me i need to open a topic about what a member on Theme park review posted about DLRP
Here is the link; //http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5199
Quote from: "Kristof"Lol MinniesBestPal, relax... These are all rumours & gossip. 99% is probably never going to happen.
Aww.... :(
Quote from: "MinniesBestPal"Quote from: "Kristof"Lol MinniesBestPal, relax... These are all rumours & gossip. 99% is probably never going to happen.
Aww.... :(
Well, the topic title kinda gave it away... :wink:
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "MinniesBestPal"Quote from: "Kristof"Lol MinniesBestPal, relax... These are all rumours & gossip. 99% is probably never going to happen.
Aww.... :(
Well, the topic title kinda gave it away... :wink:
Yeah but I was hoping they'd be true...
I know this belongs actually in the rumour-topic but since disneyandmore.blogspot.com is a really trustable source I give this it's own topic!
Here it is, the big Disneyland Paris update you are all waiting for. Today, we are going to talk about DLP future, new attractions at the Magic Kingdom and the WDS, Hotels, Disney Village, etc... First, i have to say, that nothing about DLP future has been announced officially yet. It's still rumors, but let's say that it is "strong" rumors, and most of what i reveal today will probably be built in the next five years - let's say between 2009 and 2013. That said, let's go, and let's begin by the Walt Disney Studios.
As we know, the WDS is the biggest concern for DLP management as the park still need an expansion, even if the Toon Studio, The Tower of Terror, Stitch Live! and the Hollywood Blvd decor were already strong improvements.
The Hollywood Blvd will be expand in a soon future, which mean that the Tram Tour Station will move, as it is expected. Talking about the Tram Tour, a new major and big scene should be added, on the "PIrates of Caribbean" theme and if it's built, you can expect spectacular pyrotechnic effects. No details yet on what will be the decor, but why not a battle between two ships with cannons, and all the "booms" one can expect from that kind of scene? This will be great, and with some luck this new POTC scene could see the appearance of the Johnny Depp / Jack Sparrow and Geoffrey Rush / Barbossa Audio-Animatronics - as they didn't put them inside the POTC attraction.
Read more at //http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2008/08/disneyland-paris-update-all-about-dlp.html
So :
* Studio Tram Tour Update
* Toy Story Mania :D (but not in Toon Studio? What the?)
* 3 little attractions for Toon Studio
* Ratatouille Darkride with Winnie the Pooh System
* Little Mermaid (DCA style)
* New Fantasy Festival stage
* Star Tours 2 update
* Indiana Jones or Splash Mountain (but without the Song of the south theme)
* New wings at the hotels (no new hotel)
* New restaurants in the Village
Japper, I get your point, but I have merged it into the Rumours topic none the less, since nothing is confirmed yet. If these projects are in fact confirmed, they will each receive their own topic anyway (if this hasn't happened already). :wink:
Edit: I've updated your conclusion list:
* Hollywood Boulevard extension and new Studio Tram Tour station
* Pirates of the Caribbean scene in Studio Tram Tour
* Toy Story Mania (Replacing Armageddon OR between Cinémagique - Disney Channel)
* Toon Studio expansion with smaller Pixar themed attraction (Toy Story or The Incredibles)
* Ratatouille Darkride with the Tokyo Winnie the Pooh System in Toon Studio
* Removal of Fantasy Festival Stage
* The Little Mermaid dark ride from DCA behind Fantasyland Station
* Storybook Theatre between Fantasyland and Discoveryland
* Star Tours 2 update
* Indiana Jones or Splash Mountain with new theme
* New wing(s) and pool at Disneyland Hotel
* New cabbin block(s) at Disney's Sequoia Lodge
* Starbucks and Earl of Sandwhich at Disney Village
Don't you think the location of Toy Story Mania is a bit weird? Finally we have a toon studio with pixar based attractions, and then they place a attraction that perfect fits to the theme in another land?
From what I've heard that gossip is just some pile of Mickey balloons backstage... :wink: A few months ago he also claimed that TSM would be build in Backlot between Rock ''n Roller Coaster and Moteurs... Action.
By the way, I was told the exact same information one month ago, but I was asked to keep this quiet, which I did. (Unless you count the numerous hints I've dropped spread over the board... :lol: ) The person who told me said these were all rumours, collected from several sources at the Resort.
However, don't get me wrong... I'm not calling Alain a liar, I'm just saying these are just rumours... for now.
Well I can't waith till DLRP finally announces it's expansion plans! The last few years following the constructions of Toon Studio and Tower of Terror were great. :)
Now, isn't this some nice fodder for the rumour mill?
There are quite a few things that I find very likely (Star Tours 2, a new E-ticket ride for DLP), likely (Little Mermaid, Ratatouille, new hotel wings), plausible (a new theatre for Fantasyland) - and quite unlikely (Toy Story Mania).
But looking at all those rumours and all those hints that have been dropped lately one thing should be pretty clear: good times are coming 8)
i really want star tours 2, does anyone think paris will get this??? surely they would leave it to the americans
Wouldn't a POTC scene in the Tram Tour defeat the point of the ride in Disneyland !!! I mean ships firing cannons over your head , I think that is in the original ride isn't it ?
Maybe they could add scenes from Small World using this theory ,taking scenes from another ride and putting them in the Studios next door !!! We will have to see !
I would like to see an european version of Duckburg, like in Walt Disney World. you know? Ihave seen manny pictures of that, on the web, and it looks really cool to me.
The Indiana Jones adventure actraction would be nice too;)
No mention about Mickey's Philharmagic coming to Paris?
Pity... :(
I thought that this attraction was developed with the purpose of rolling it out to several other Disney Resorts (wasn't that the reason why they choose Donald as a main character because his quacking is universal in every language?? ;) ).
Anyway, a great list of new rumours to focus on the upcoming years (although some of the rumours ar not my cup of tea...)
hmm a lot of exciting rumours but maybe to much thats why a lot don´t come to daylight :(
but if i can choose i would like to see the indiana jones adventure in adventureland and make a whole place with indy...
we waited for splash now 15 years so now we can wait til the 25th :P
i love to see the little mermaid darkride but in our old concept not the dca style....
and the hollywood boulevard extension is needed cuz a lot of peeps in other forums think
we just have the space like it is now :twisted:
and to make a new rumour here is something i found about a new hotel!!
//http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/magic-results-euro-disney-plans-new-hotels-899529.html
Quote from: "lil-shawn"and to make a new rumour here is something i found about a new hotel!!
//http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/magic-results-euro-disney-plans-new-hotels-899529.html
Surely thats more fact than rumour ?
It's not a secret they're thinking about new hotels. An independent Parisian marketing office was recently hired to investigate the options for new Disney OR Partner hotels.
Oh my GOD! This sounds amazing. Just the rumours alone gives me the goosebumbs. But I'll prefer some major placements before any new attraction. And if we're getting some new rides, I sure hope they'll land in DL.
I've never tried the GPS-thing at Honey Hunt in TDL, but it sounds amaziningly cool and smooth, and it'll fit perfect to a Rat-ride, like a cruise through the sewers.
LaughingPlace.com has an interesting article up about possible new attractions coming to the Studios and Disneyland parks over the next few years. Its an interesting read and just confirms really whats so far been discussed on here. http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp (http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Quote from: "Malin"LaughingPlace.com has an interesting article up about possible new attractions coming to the Studios and Disneyland parks over the next few years. Its an interesting read and just confirms really whats so far been discussed on here. http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp (http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
FINALLY a site that gets the RIGHT information! :wink: =D>
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "Malin"LaughingPlace.com has an interesting article up about possible new attractions coming to the Studios and Disneyland parks over the next few years. Its an interesting read and just confirms really whats so far been discussed on here. http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp (http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
FINALLY a site that gets the RIGHT information! :wink: =D>
Goes to show that the theory of 1000 monkeys with a 1000 typewriters
is true after all :wink:
Ok im getting concerned now, still no news on an update for star tours, Kristof, any news on if this will be coming to Paris, or has anyone else heard anything???
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "Malin"LaughingPlace.com has an interesting article up about possible new attractions coming to the Studios and Disneyland parks over the next few years. Its an interesting read and just confirms really whats so far been discussed on here. http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp (http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
FINALLY a site that gets the RIGHT information! :wink: =D>
So the Ratatouille attraction and the mini-land are pretty much confirmed?
QuoteOk im getting concerned now, still no news on an update for star tours, Kristof, any news on if this will be coming to Paris, or has anyone else heard anything???
Ratatouille and the Toy Story Land are happening.
Stars Tours 2, Indiana Jones Adventure, Splash Mountain, Soarin, Storybook Theatre and Midway Mania are ideas that are or have been considered, but are currently not part of DLRP's future (or not at least part of the 4 year plan).
The Laughingplace topic sums everything up quite perfectly how it will happen. :wink:
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteOk im getting concerned now, still no news on an update for star tours, Kristof, any news on if this will be coming to Paris, or has anyone else heard anything???
Ratatouille and the Toy Story Land are happening.
Stars Tours 2, Indiana Jones Adventure, Splash Mountain, Soarin, Storybook Theatre and Midway Mania are ideas that are or have been considered, but are currently not part of DLRP's future (or not at least part of the 4 year plan).
The Laughingplace topic sums everything up quite perfectly how it will happen. :wink:
Ok, Well..that sucks! :shock:
QuoteOk, Well..that sucks! :shock:
Lol, come on... Did you REALLY expect that many big attractions in 4 years time???? :lol: This just proves how vicious misplaced information can be.
So to sum up the a more reliable list:
2009: Playhouse Disney Live one Stage + Stars & Cars Event
2010: Toy Story Land with 3 attractions
2011: The Little Mermaid e-ticket
2012: Ratatouille e-ticket
And I'm sure there will be a few surprises along the way on top of that.
Well to me this is great news, looking forward to it :)
Quote from: "Japper"Ok, Well..that sucks! :shock:
Not trying to be rude or anything but, how? I completely agree with Kristof, how could you expect a major attraction so soon after ToT, Crush, Cars etc all coming in the space of two years?
Quote2010: Toy Story Land with 3 attractions
Don't know if i'm right but could these 3 attractions be the ones we were all talking about a few weeks back?
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteOk, Well..that sucks! :shock:
Lol, come on... Did you REALLY expect that many big attractions in 4 years time???? :lol:
No, but Toy Storyland?? :roll: We already got a Woody's Roundup and a Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast.. so now we also get a Toy Story land and then maybe a Toy Story Mania? Plus with the OUADP Toy Story Parade floats and with the stars'n'motorcars an extra Toy Story Photolocation?
Maybe we are a bit spoiled after these years but the new plan really has no interesting attractions.. (ok besides the ratatouille darkride, but I did rather see an Indiana Jones or Splash Mountain ;) )
Am i right in thinking that star tours 2 is more of and upgrade than a new experience, and they really need to update HISTA whilst they are at it. On a seperate note i think Soarin is looking less and less likely now. Toy story land now looks like a deffo, but how will this fit with Woodys Round up in the DP
QuoteNo, but Toy Storyland?? :roll: We already got a Woody's Roundup and a Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast.. so now we also get a Toy Story land and then maybe a Toy Story Mania? Plus with the OUADP Toy Story Parade floats and with the stars'n'motorcars an extra Toy Story Photolocation?
Woody's Roundup Village is something Entertainment put together, so that'll probably disappear in thin air.
If Midway Mania ever comes to DLRP, I'm convinced it will not be themed to Toy Story.
QuoteMaybe we are a bit spoiled after these years but the new plan really has no interesting attractions..
2 Major dark rides and a new mini land are pretty interesting if you ask me, considering how many thrill rides have been build the last years.
Quote from: "Kristof"QuoteOk, Well..that sucks! :shock:
Lol, come on... Did you REALLY expect that many big attractions in 4 years time???? :lol: This just proves how vicious misplaced information can be.
So to sum up the a more reliable list:
2009: Playhouse Disney Live one Stage + Stars & Cars Event
2010: Toy Story Land with 3 attractions
2011: The Little Mermaid e-ticket
2012: Ratatouille e-ticket
And I'm sure there will be a few surprises along the way on top of that.
Well, I must say, I am very happy with that list. Especially the Little Mermaid and Ratatouille dark rides. :D I am not as keen on the Toy Story Land idea, but I'll just wait and see how it turns out. As long as the half-pipe coaster idea never sees the light of day. :roll:
I am a little confused about the Toy Story Land's location. We know Ratatouille will be behind AODA, and the article says it will be alongside that. So does that mean it will be at the end of the Hollywood Boulevard? Or will it be behind Ratatouille?
QuoteI am a little confused about the Toy Story Land's location. We know Ratatouille will be behind AODA, and the article says it will be alongside that. So does that mean it will be at the end of the Hollywood Boulevard? Or will it be behind Ratatouille?
No, Ratatouille will NOT be build on the grass patch behind AODA. That's where Toy Story Land will go. The Tram Tour path will be re-routed (work will start by the end of the year!) I'm not really sure where Ratatouille will go then. Maybe on the far right on the current tram route or maybe even taking over Imaginations?
just wondering - would you expect any official announcements on the rumours when they post the next set of results?, these will be the first ones from Phillipe Gaz and im sure he will want to be seen as continuing the momentum his predessor has had
But the Little Mermaid wasn't sure?
QuoteThere is interest in the new The Little Mermaid attraction that is to be the cornerstone of the Magic Kingdom expansion in Florida and Disney's California Adventure Park but no firm decisions have been made.
But seriously, what are the chances now that we finally get the Theatre District or placemaking in the backlot? Instead we get a Toy Story Land? :|
Quote from: "Japper"But seriously, what are the chances now that we finally get the Theatre District or placemaking in the backlot? Instead we get a Toy Story Land? :|
It's not really clear in the article, but it's mentioned:
Quote from: "Laughingplace"Finally WDI will be adding place-making touches to the area surrounding AniMagique to bring the show building up to the same standard as the rest of Toon Studio. Production Courtyard will follow that.
QuoteSo to sum up the a more reliable list:
2009: Playhouse Disney Live one Stage + Stars & Cars Event
2010: Toy Story Land with 3 attractions
2011: The Little Mermaid e-ticket
2012: Ratatouille e-ticket
hmm i´m very fine with that, maybe we get a big suprise when they confirm everything,
lets wait and see :D
the only thing that dissapoint me is there is no talk about an extention of hollywood blvd and this is very needed...
Now this sounds all good - and a lot more probable.
A few thoughts:
1. Great to read that they might do something about Animagique's facade. Last year's paint job was not really enough to make the building, well, pleasing. If I may have a wish: how about getting some inspiration from the facade of DCA's Animation building? And, while some work is being done, how about changing or updating the show inside...?
2. I wonder how they're going to design the transition area between Hollywood Boulevard and the extended Toon Studio... With the upcoming changes to the Tram Tour route, will they also move its station?
3. Now, who else is of the opinion that a Ratatouille ride (just watched the movie again this week - still my favourite Pixar...) just HAS TO HAVE a nice table service restaurant next to it? :wink:
4. I seriously wonder how long Euro Disney can *not* update Star Tours, while the other parks (probably) get version 2.0 - I can understand that it's not very high on their priority list, but US-Disney might try to push it through...
5. Looking forward to "The Little Mermaid"!
6. Does anyone remember when the official announcement came for ToT & Crush?
All in all, good times are ahead of us.
Quote from: "Kristof"2009: Playhouse Disney Live one Stage + Stars & Cars Event
2010: Toy Story Land with 3 attractions
2011: The Little Mermaid e-ticket
2012: Ratatouille e-ticket
Now, without wanting to sound greedy, but with the success of the 15th 2-year-celebration (with the opening of a major e-ticket as "grand finale"), could it be that they might try to pull something like that again for 2013?
I'm surprised but incredibly happy to read via LaughingPlace that WDI might not be done with the old Animation Courtyard after all. The current look is no good at all. The planters look dead, the floor looks awful compared to any modern city square and the buildings are just as bland and uninspiring as before.
Quote from: "experiment627"2. I wonder how they're going to design the transition area between Hollywood Boulevard and the extended Toon Studio... With the upcoming changes to the Tram Tour route, will they also move its station?
I'd guess the station will stay in the same place for the next phase of expansion. So I'd imagine (hehe) that the route will take a sharp left turn out of the station, then join up with the current road where the first props boneyard currently is.
Quote from: "experiment627"3. Now, who else is of the opinion that a Ratatouille ride (just watched the movie again this week - still my favourite Pixar...) just HAS TO HAVE a nice table service restaurant next to it? :wink:
Oh sure! If there's not a restaurant included in this expansion, we have to have a fan meeting protest where we all collectively bang our heads against a giant wall.
Quote from: "experiment627"36. Does anyone remember when the official announcement came for ToT & Crush?
11th January 2005, a pretty understated mention in the First Quarter results, with walls appearing in WDS literally the next week. It depends really - if they've already got a deal for financing in place, then they might be able to announce something with the Annual Report in November. That'd look great for the company. On the other hand, if any money is conditional on how well their Annual Report is, we might have to wait a few more months, till the First Quarter results again, for things to be finalised. Is that a sensible guess?
Do you have a link of things you're read on Laughing Place about Toon Studios Anthony please?
Here we go:
http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp (http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512310.asp%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
It's interesting that they seem to mention Toy Storyland, Ratatouille, etc as being quite a certainty but then go on to add later almost as a supplement that they're still thinking of an attraction for the 20th and haven't decided yet.
As they say, the clock is ticking.
I'm not complaining when I say this, really I'm not, but I am slightly suprised that the two major attractions that will open, in succesion around the 20th are planned to both be dark rides. I would of thought one dark ride, one differing style?
Everybody has been getting very excited or upset by protential projects for the future of DLRP on the 3 main areas of this forum for over a month but calm down no decisions have been finalised yet! even though most rumors will soon become facts. As no decisions will be made before the end of the month and before you ask me how i know and ask for some form of comformation forget it my friends job is more important than this forum. On The other hand some on the forums preach doom and gloom don't read to much into this as all theme Parks have to find finance for expansions or new attractions and TWDC will not let Disneyland Paris fail there is to much at stake.
Quote from: "phantom247"Everybody has been getting very excited or upset by protential projects for the future of DLRP on the 3 main areas of this forum for over a month but calm down no decisions have been finalised yet! even though most rumors will soon become facts. As no decisions will be made before the end of the month and before you ask me how i know and ask for some form of comformation forget it my friends job is more important than this forum. On The other hand some on the forums preach doom and gloom don't read to much into this as all theme Parks have to find finance for expansions or new attractions and TWDC will not let Disneyland Paris fail there is to much at stake.
An interesting post with no real purpose, perhaps your "friend" will provide us with a retrospective when things have been confirmed. Nothing personal, but "I know more than you know but I'm not going to tell" posts really annoy me!!! :x
Yes, and in fact although I don't dispute you may have connections, there's no need for any "I know someone who knows someone who says everything will work out perfect in the end" here because as far as I read, this forum is one of very few which
doesn't "preach doom and gloom"!
Sure, some people are a bit hesitant about Toy Storyland and so on, but generally we're all still secretly excited about any new thing. We're DLRP fans. We'd celebrate getting new napkin designs, even bad ones.
Quote from: "penfold12"I'm not complaining when I say this, really I'm not, but I am slightly suprised that the two major attractions that will open, in succesion around the 20th are planned to both be dark rides. I would of thought one dark ride, one differing style?
I thought this, but they'd probably (still talking in the conditional here) be much more different than we immediately think. One's a free-roaming, no-track ride whilst the other a regular omnimover. And you couldn't get more different than the CGI Parisian restaurant of Ratatouille and the multi-coloured, undersea Little Mermaid world. There's quite a nice contrast there.
I mean, imagine DLRP being able to advertise that for real: RATATOUILLE and THE LITTLE MERMAID rides, within a year!! Two HUGE films. The advertising would run itself. I'd say multiply the excitement surrounding the opening of Cars and Crush by x10. And better still, these two would hopefully really deliver on the immersive themeing too.
Fingers crossed for a good Annual Report eh.
I'm so excited for the Little Mermaid ride!!
Toystory Land still not 100% impressed but hope it looks better than it sounds.
Good times ahead for DLP *yipee!*
Splash Mountain, Sourin and Philharmagic were all some of my favourite rides at WDW so I hope that these ones are true :)
Maybe we get to know more at the annual report this tuesday?! :) I hope so!
hey folks,
someone had written at DCP,
that share of star tours 2 will be tested in dlrp,
as well as in other parks.
someone knows more?
Quote from: "lil-shawn"hey folks,
someone had written at DCP,
that share of star tours 2 will be tested in dlrp,
as well as in other parks.
someone knows more?
It has been rumoured for many years that Star Tours 2 is coming and that they are using one of Disneyland Paris' simulators. Nobody really knows the truth behind it all.
The latest rumour I heard about Star Tours 2 was that they were now testing in Body Wars at Epcot.
I'm so excited about the proposed additions! but i guess we'll just have to wait for an announcement... i do hope it's sooner rather than later!! [-o< :D/
I'm glad that disney still has plans for the future. But i hope that after all this the park will just go back to normal. No celebrations. Normal entertainment. Seasons with their own parades.
As much as i do love the 15th anniversary and am looking forward to MMP after that they should just go back to normal. At least until their 20th then they can have the biggest party in the world
For what it's worth:
In the latest issue of FVW, Germany's leading tourism trade magazine, Norbert Stiekema (Head of Sales at DLRP) confirms that Disney is working on a second five year plan that will kick in 2010 with new attractions.
From what he's saying, Disney will also stick to the "theme"-years like the 15th and MMP in the future...
Quote from: "experiment627"From what he's saying, Disney will also stick to the "theme"-years like the 15th and MMP in the future...
One word sprung to my mind when reading this;
Why? There is no need to keep themeing DLP, it's the best park I've ever been to, it doesn't need it :(
Quote from: "experiment627"For what it's worth:
In the latest issue of FVW, Germany's leading tourism trade magazine, Norbert Stiekema (Head of Sales at DLRP) confirms that Disney is working on a second five year plan that will kick in 2010 with new attractions.
From what he's saying, Disney will also stick to the "theme"-years like the 15th and MMP in the future...
Surely new attractions are enough to bring in guests? There theme years are pointless unless it's a significant birthday.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "experiment627"For what it's worth:
In the latest issue of FVW, Germany's leading tourism trade magazine, Norbert Stiekema (Head of Sales at DLRP) confirms that Disney is working on a second five year plan that will kick in 2010 with new attractions.
From what he's saying, Disney will also stick to the "theme"-years like the 15th and MMP in the future...
Surely new attractions are enough to bring in guests? There theme years are pointless unless it's a significant birthday.
Totally agree, I liked the 15th celebrations because it was a milestone, and was worth celebrating. But there seems nothing celebratory to me about MMP. New attractions is what DLP needs, and to stop wasting money on trash like Dance Time in Discoveyland!
Quote from: "RnRCj"Surely new attractions are enough to bring in guests? There theme years are pointless unless it's a significant birthday.
Yes - and no. According to Stiekema, new rides like ToT attract mainly locals and not so much people who come from further away and might actually book a stay at DLRP.
He calls it the "Eiffel Tower Syndrome": it doesn't matter if you are going to visit the Eiffel Tower this year or the next or in 15 - it will be still there. Same goes for rides.
What Disney is trying to do is to create some kind of urgency to attract guests repeatedly. And they are trying to do that with these kind of "theme" or "motto" years.
And - from a marketing point of view - that makes a whole lot of sense.
(Not discussing the quality of these motto years here.)
Stiekema also mentioned, that future motto years and attractions are supposed to tie in better together.
Quote from: "experiment627"Stiekema also mentioned, that future motto years and attractions are supposed to tie in better together.
Critter year ! - motto
Attraction - splash mountain !
:lol: [-o<
Quote from: "Owain"Quote from: "experiment627"Stiekema also mentioned, that future motto years and attractions are supposed to tie in better together.
Critter year ! - motto
Attraction - splash mountain !
:lol: [-o<
I'd be happy with this haha!
That would be good! :lol:
Just out of interest - if Splash Mountain did come to Paris would Cottonwood Creek become Critter Country, or would the area just remain as Frontierland?
I'd hope for Critter Country personally.
Quote from: "RnRCj"That would be good! :lol:
Just out of interest - if Splash Mountain did come to Paris would Cottonwood Creek become Critter Country, or would the area just remain as Frontierland?
I'd hope for Critter Country personally.
I'd hope for that too. I would love Splash Mountain in DLP so much, it's such a great attraction!
Quote from: "RnRCj"Just out of interest - if Splash Mountain did come to Paris would Cottonwood Creek become Critter Country, or would the area just remain as Frontierland?
I'd hope for Critter Country personally.
I think I'd hope for that too, mainly because Cottonwood Creek is the most boring area of DLP. I didn't even bother to remember what it was called, it's just "that boring dead end area" to me.
Quote from: "luke85"Quote from: "RnRCj"That would be good! :lol:
Just out of interest - if Splash Mountain did come to Paris would Cottonwood Creek become Critter Country, or would the area just remain as Frontierland?
I'd hope for Critter Country personally.
I'd hope for that too. I would love Splash Mountain in DLP so much, it's such a great attraction!
If they build Splash Mountain there, I most certainly do not want to see a Critter Country there. Disney characters moving in to Frontierland??? No thanks! Splash Mountain should be integrated in the Frontierland story.
QuoteIf they build Splash Mountain there, I most certainly do not want to see a Critter Country there. Disney characters moving in to Frontierland??? No thanks! Splash Mountain should be integrated in the Frontierland story.
But I've always seen Disney characters in this area of the park, like the Country Bears, Koda and Kenai from Brother Bear and Tigger etc. I understand that you don't want them invading Thunder Mesa, neither do I, but I don't really class Cottonwood Creek as Frontierland because it's so tucked out of the way.
Quote from: "Kristof"If they build Splash Mountain there, I most certainly do not want to see a Critter Country there. Disney characters moving in to Frontierland??? No thanks! Splash Mountain should be integrated in the Frontierland story.
I meant Critter Country as a completely seperate land (like in California). I just assumed that if we got Splash it would have the Song Of The South theme, in which case we should get Critter Country.
If Splash was going to be part of Frontierland however, then I agree it's story should be changed to fit the Frontierland theme.
Disney could always use the typical Log Flume theme of a old saw mill. It would fit with Big Thunder Mountain and Thunder Mesa. However, very restricted in terms of show scenes.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Quote from: "Kristof"If they build Splash Mountain there, I most certainly do not want to see a Critter Country there. Disney characters moving in to Frontierland??? No thanks! Splash Mountain should be integrated in the Frontierland story.
I meant Critter Country as a completely seperate land (like in California). I just assumed that if we got Splash it would have the Song Of The South theme, in which case we should get Critter Country.
If Splash was going to be part of Frontierland however, then I agree it's story should be changed to fit the Frontierland theme.
This is what I meant too haha! If we were to get Critter Country, then it should be completely separate from Frontierland.
I think it would be 1000 times better if they build something unique, lets take the
old concepts out of the boxes and but the western river expedition in this area.
the most here don´t like mmp because there are to much toons everywhere,
why now put splash mountain and critter country into a non toon area???
Quote from: "experiment627"Stiekema also mentioned, that future motto years and attractions are supposed to tie in better together.
Thanks for these posts, very interesting.
It'd be really nice if these "theme years" were basically expansions of the attractions and their themes themselves, overflowing into the park. So next year WDS could be filled with an expanded Toy Story atmosphere - loads of characters, bring over Pixar Play Parade (perhaps unlikely so soon), etc. Imagine if they'd have had a year-long Hollywood/Tower of Terror event in WDS with that projection show every night, ghosts wandering the park, Hollywood characters and street shows. It'd make it absolutely essential that you visit the new attractions in the year they open.
The worst thing about these recent theme years has been how they feel the need to tick certain boxes - something on the Castle, tick; banners down Main Street, tick. If they have a Toy Story Year in 2010, it'd be enough to
just have things in WDS, maybe then even just in Toon Studio.
Makes me wonder what 2011's theme will be... there's not much you can do with The Little Mermaid beyond the attraction. Maybe a general water theme with a Pirates update of Adventure Isle included?
<end random speculation> :wink:
I was just reading through the Future Developments topic on Disney Central Plaza, and zygo posted this:
Quote from: "zygo at Disney Central Plaza"Comme j'ai trop parlé et que j'ai recu plusieurs MP, voila quelques infos complementaires.
Disney a "en principe" signé avec MACK pour la fourniture d'un flume (splash mountain ???) et de 2 options d'achats sur 2 systemes de dark ride (dont un omnimover). Une option d'achat ne veut pas dire qu'il vont faire valoir l'option de suite... ils peuvent le faire dans les 5 ans.
A mon avis, vu les darks rides que propose mack a son catalogue, ce pourrait etre winnie et la petite sirene.
Il faut savoir que mack a déjà fournit tous le systeme de pompes et consort de small world et potc.
Pour l'option d'achat, il l'ont deja fait avec Zamperla lors de la signature de CARS...
Now I didn't really understand most of this, so I put it through a translator! Here's what I got:
Quote from: "zygo on Disney Central Plaza"As I talked too much and that I have received several MP, here is some info accompanying.
Disney has "in principle" signed with Mack for the provision of a flume (splash mountain?) And 2 options on 2 systems dark ride (one omnimover). A call option is not to say he will enforce the option more ... they may do so within 5 years.
In my opinion, given the dark rides offered Mack's catalog, this could be winnie and small mermaid.
You should know that Mack had already provides all the system of pumps and consort of small world and potc.
For the call option, he had already done with Zamperla on signing CARS...
Can anybody make aything out of this? It might not be anything that interesting, but I just got excited over the words "Splash" and "Mountain" used very closely together. :P Could Mack possibly be the manufacturers of our Splash Mountain, if we get one?
Also, I believe this is the first we've heard of a Winnie The Pooh attraction?
Quote from: "RnRCj"Could Mack possibly be the manufacturers of our Splash Mountain, if we get one?
Also, I believe this is the first we've heard of a Winnie The Pooh attraction?
Thanks for posting that rumour! All of a sudden I
really want to go back to Europa-Park to check out Mack's attraction portfolio. :wink:
If Disney chose Mack's ride designs for Splash Mountain it poses the fascinating question: what kind of water attraction would they order? A regular, old-style flume ride? A watercoaster? A super splash?
I
think it was once mentioned that "Pooh" could become the neighbour for "The Little Mermaid".
All in all, this would sound too good to be true. (With the Toy Story Playland rides coming up next year and the "Ratatouille" ride still being in the cards as well...)
Still, it's a fun bit - and maybe another sign of things to come...
In some of the other posts in that topic, I managed to pick out the word "watercoaster" several times. It would certainly be an interesting twist on the Splash Mountain we all know! But I guess it would more expensive than a normal flume ride. :?:
Quote from: "RnRCj"I was just reading through the Future Developments topic on Disney Central Plaza, and zygo posted this:
Quote from: "zygo at Disney Central Plaza"Comme j'ai trop parlé et que j'ai recu plusieurs MP, voila quelques infos complementaires.
Disney a "en principe" signé avec MACK pour la fourniture d'un flume (splash mountain ???) et de 2 options d'achats sur 2 systemes de dark ride (dont un omnimover). Une option d'achat ne veut pas dire qu'il vont faire valoir l'option de suite... ils peuvent le faire dans les 5 ans.
A mon avis, vu les darks rides que propose mack a son catalogue, ce pourrait etre winnie et la petite sirene.
Il faut savoir que mack a déjà fournit tous le systeme de pompes et consort de small world et potc.
Pour l'option d'achat, il l'ont deja fait avec Zamperla lors de la signature de CARS...
Now I didn't really understand most of this, so I put it through a translator! Here's what I got:
Quote from: "zygo on Disney Central Plaza"As I talked too much and that I have received several MP, here is some info accompanying.
Disney has "in principle" signed with Mack for the provision of a flume (splash mountain?) And 2 options on 2 systems dark ride (one omnimover). A call option is not to say he will enforce the option more ... they may do so within 5 years.
In my opinion, given the dark rides offered Mack's catalog, this could be winnie and small mermaid.
You should know that Mack had already provides all the system of pumps and consort of small world and potc.
For the call option, he had already done with Zamperla on signing CARS...
Can anybody make aything out of this? It might not be anything that interesting, but I just got excited over the words "Splash" and "Mountain" used very closely together. :P Could Mack possibly be the manufacturers of our Splash Mountain, if we get one?
Also, I believe this is the first we've heard of a Winnie The Pooh attraction?
Brilliant find J, well done and thanks for posting it :)
The thought of a new little zone at the back of Fantasyland, going under the train bridge where the theatre will have used to have been, including both The Little Mermaid AND Winnie the Pooh dark rides; I love it :mrgreen: I really hope this goes ahead.
And of course, the main part of it all is Splash Mountain. I know we've had a lot of rumours, but one that appears to be telling us that DLRP are in talks with manufacturers is quite exciting too. The next question is Song of the South, or something new (please let it be an adaptation of the old river wilderness ride that was planned years ago [-o< )
It also appears to say that it'll be over 5 years too! So that could be; Toy Story in 2010; The Little Mermaid in 2011?; Ratatouille in 2012?; Pooh in 2013?; Splash in 2014? Five years, there you have it; Perfect! Brilliant! Fantastic! :mrgreen: :D/
Now lets just hope it's all true :roll: :lol:
That would be great! One new ride per year for five years? Plenty of reasons to go back! Of course if that were the case, they wouldn't announce it... They don't want people to have an excuse to wait 5 years and for all the new rides to be completed, before visiting!
QuoteIt also appears to say that it'll be over 5 years too! So that could be; Toy Story in 2010; The Little Mermaid in 2011?; Ratatouille in 2012?; Pooh in 2013?; Splash in 2014? Five years, there you have it; Perfect! Brilliant! Fantastic!
i don´t think this will happen because of the costs, 3 darkrides and a splash mountain
are to expansive.
i think they have again just 250 million or a bit more euros to spend, so a darkride like
little mermaid would cost over 100 million, and ratatouille is over 150 million i think.
it would be really great if they build this time more highly themed and good quality
rides, but not 3 in DLP and just 2 in WDS. i think wds needs more attention right now,
this park needs to grow!
one day we will see what happen, hopefully we won´t get dissapointed!
Regarding Winnie the Pooh, I can't confirm this attraction, but I do know that the plan I've been shown, had TLM behind the Fantasyland Station with another large show building next to it? Perhaps that's where it's going? Would be a nice transition from the UK section of Fantasyland to the Storybook Land section.
Quote from: "Kristof"Regarding Winnie the Pooh, I can't confirm this attraction, but I do know that the plan I've been shown, had TLM behind the Fantasyland Station with another large show building next to it? Perhaps that's where it's going? Would be a nice transition from the UK section of Fantasyland to the Storybook Land section.
This would be cool! I love the British part of Fantasyland, so any more additions to it would be very welcome in my opinion!
How is Disney funding these new attractions? Does The Walt Disney Company pay for them or does Euro Disney SCA make new debts?
I liked the Winnie Pooh attraction at WDW so I really hope that it will make its way to DLRP.
I'm not actually sure were the money comes from, I just know every 5 years they have a medium term development plan.
Like the last cycle brought us TOT which took up a lot of the money.
I would hope that the Pooh ride would be as big as the Tokyo version but the WDW is pretty good, maybe some "plussing" can go on, doubt it.
Little Mermaid dark-ride will be epic, especially if it a carbon copy of the California Adventure version (which I heard WDW have just ordered a verson of).
Something else I just found on Disney Central Plaza, posted by laji:
QuotePlusieurs choses très intéressantes :
_ EDL avait jusque 2010/2011 pour construire son deuxième parc (on à souvent entendu dire qu'ils avaient été contraints de le construire en urgence pour ne pas perdre les terrains)
_ Ce deuxième parc est considéré aujourd'hui comme un demi-parc par EDL (enfin réaliste !)
_ Le parc aquatique fait bien partie de la convention de 1987 et sera donc très probablement construit avant 2017
_ Le troisième parc ne fait pas partie de la convention initiale mais EDL souhaite bel et bien le voir sortir de terre (malheureusement pas avant 2030 ...)
_ La phase 3 qui doit s'achever en 2010 a pris du retard, en particulier le développement du Disney Village (manquent encore 18 000 m2 d'extensions)
_ La phase 4 qui suivra comprendra entre autre un disney village 2 avec 40 000 m2 d'activités commerciales thématiques à l'horizon 2015
Plus beaucoup d'autres infos ...
Put through a translator:
QuoteSeveral very interesting things:
_ EDL had until 2010/2011 to build its second park (on often heard to say they were forced to build urgently not to lose the land)
_ The second park is regarded as half a park by EDL (well realistic!)
_ The water park is part of the Convention of 1987 and will most likely built before 2017
_ The third park is not part of the original EDL but really wants to see out of the ground (unfortunately not before 2030 ...)
_ Phase 3 to be completed in 2010 has been delayed, particularly the development of Disney Village (missing 18 000 m2 of extension)
_ Phase 4 which will include amongst others the disney village 2 with 40 000 m2 of business themes for 2015
Plus a lot more info ...
Water Park before 2017?! That would be awesome, especially if it was Lava Lagoon. :)
3rd park after 2030; a little further away than I thought, but oh well.
Disney Village expansion supposed to take place next year; delayed (shame).
Something about Disney Village 2 in 2015. :?:
Can anyone make any more sense out of this?
Yeah, that's pretty much it. It says the Disney Village expansion has been delayed, but apparently a second entertainment district is planned for about 2015. How odd; where would it go without a third park?
Perhaps they've given up on the existing Disney Village and want to go back to the drawing board, haha.
And it does hint at Lava Lagoon ("part of the 1987 convention")... But then again, the Walt Disney Studios were also a part of that, and it/they went through a few changes for the worse. So who knows.
When you start talking about years in advance like this too many things can change to make dates unrealistic.
Look at WDW, last year there were a number of strongly rumoured projects which could be open for 2010. Now there won't be anything/very little. Thats a change from 1 year away.
Who knows what can change when your talking 10-20 years away.
Here's one rumour that I sincerely hope is not true.
Toy Story Mania in...
Frontierland.
That's what popped up in the rumours topic on Disney Central Plaza. Now, of course, it's only a rumour that probably won't happen. But to be honest, it really wouldn't surprise me... :|
LOL!
That was my immediate response. But actually, looking at the area of DisneySea where it's rumoured for... and looking back at Cottonwood Creek Ranch... there's a crossover there. There really is. :|
I actually don't think having cartoony creatures like Mickey Mouse or the Splash Mountain gang in Cottonwood Creek would feel wrong, and if they decorated the attraction to the degree of DCA's but with a barnyard style it certainly wouldn't be awful (far from it), but the danger of Toy Story Midway Mania is that it includes those 1990s/2000s toys like Potato Head, Rex, etc... They could never put those in Frontierland! Could they?
And what about Toy Story Playland? I don't believe they'd build that land and then add a dark ride in a different park with the same theme.
Now, maybe if they rethemed Midway Mania it to Mickey's Barnyard Olympics or something... With references to Walt's childhood in Marceline. Going behind Cowboy Cookout Barbeque, it wouldn't even block the possibility of Splash. It could create quite a brilliant and high-capacity sub-land.
It wouldn't be too difficult for the rides games to change.
The ride was designed with upgrades to the games in mind. So it can be a clone but effectively a totally different ride.
Quote from: "RnRCj"Here's one rumour that I sincerely hope is not true.
Toy Story Mania in...
Frontierland.
That's what popped up in the rumours topic on Disney Central Plaza. Now, of course, it's only a rumour that probably won't happen. But to be honest, it really wouldn't surprise me... :|
Well that's...erm... that's...
interesting! :| :?
Surely not? Surely?
now, that can't be true, can it?? :roll: :? :-k
Well, you already have the Toy Story characters in Frontierland... But I agree it would be a horrible mistake. They would put it next to Woody's Roundup and ruin the land once and for all.
The only land I could see the Toy Story mania is Fantasyland, to give it something more for the grown ups, and even there it wouldn't be perfect... No, Toy Story Mania should go to the Studios. We need more great rides there.
Well, it really seems likes ages since I've last logged in on the forum... one reason for that is that I'll have a lot to do for Uni, and the other thing is that we won't go to DLRP this year, but instead we're going to WDW for the very first time in November :D/
So my attention of DLRP this year wasn't very big... now that I read through some topics and saw some pics...
...How does the Castle look?! :shock:
And what about all those rumours here? Just related to the things last written in here: Toy Story Mania in Frontierland?! Is that meant seriously, or was that just a joke?
all the rumours are great, but i really think they just bring us
2 dark rides and toystory playland, due to buget cuts. as long as persons
like robert iger need his $30 million a year of paycheck, or someone like jay rasulo
say he wants in every park the same ride, we will never se something like splash mountain
or indian jones adventures.
i think its sad that they´re on the way of spending less money to the parks, but fill they´re own pocket with a lot of money.
wouldn't every park having the same rides mean that paris could get splash and indiana jones?
Philippe Gas has hinted to the french media that an E ticket attraction is being planned for the 20th anniversary of the resort in 2012 :)
Below is a rough translation taken from the TF1 website:
QuoteLCI.fr: Be re-examined with the fall your investments? You already devoted 240 million euros to new attractions in 3 years...
P.G.: These attractions are the key of what is Disney: creation, the innovation, capacity to make dream people. We must continue to fill with wonder and we are already thinking of our next phase of expansion. Beyond great attractions like the Tower of terror, which are icons, it there a whole creative work on the entertainment, the parades, shows, the way in which one makes live in front of the visitors the history that one told them being child. It is necessary to play on both.
LCI.fr: That is less expensive than new attractions... Would Disneyland still have the means of launching, in 2010 for example, an attraction as imposing as Space Mountain?
P.G.: That takes a little time to build this kind of attractions! At least three years... Forget 2010 but say you that in 2012, it is the twentieth birthday of Eurodisney. There are already projects and even plans but it is too early to speak about it...
Here's the original article (in french):
:arrow: http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/economie/entrep ... ante-.html (http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/economie/entreprises/0,,4132532,00-pas-de-crise-au-royaume-enchante-.html)
:mrgreen:
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Philippe Gas has hinted to the french media that an E ticket attraction is being planned for the 20th anniversary of the resort in 2012 :)
Below is a rough translation taken from the TF1 website:
QuoteLCI.fr: Be re-examined with the fall your investments? You already devoted 240 million euros to new attractions in 3 years...
P.G.: These attractions are the key of what is Disney: creation, the innovation, capacity to make dream people. We must continue to fill with wonder and we are already thinking of our next phase of expansion. Beyond great attractions like the Tower of terror, which are icons, it there a whole creative work on the entertainment, the parades, shows, the way in which one makes live in front of the visitors the history that one told them being child. It is necessary to play on both.
LCI.fr: That is less expensive than new attractions... Would Disneyland still have the means of launching, in 2010 for example, an attraction as imposing as Space Mountain?
P.G.: That takes a little time to build this kind of attractions! At least three years... Forget 2010 but say you that in 2012, it is the twentieth birthday of Eurodisney. There are already projects and even plans but it is too early to speak about it...
Here's the original article (in french):
:arrow: http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/economie/entrep ... ante-.html (http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/economie/entreprises/0,,4132532,00-pas-de-crise-au-royaume-enchante-.html)
:mrgreen:
Thanks for posting ButlinBoy! I love little nuggets of information like this, to keep us guessing before any sort of announcement! If PG says that it takes roughly 3 years to build a big E-ticket, then surely there should be some sort of announcement fairly soon if the attraction was to be built for the 20th anniversary?
By 3 years he probably means from concept to reality.
We won't hear any official announcement until groundwork begins, and then we still may not get anything official until well after that. (Look at Toy Story Playland, construction has begun but still nothing official)
Any announcement (at the very earliest) will be towards the end of next year.
That really gets me curious :)!
But wasn't there also a rumour for the Little Mermaid E-ticket in 2010, could it be this?
I cant wait to see what they in plan for the 20th the 15th was amazing i hope tsere is somthing a lot like the scale ToT and crushes coaster i would love a monster inc ride or ratatoulie like rumored
ive just got back and got some interesting news from a cast member in a bar - we will see 3 - 4 new attractions in time for 2012 and yes one will be a water ride ( let you guess which one ), i wonder if my source is reliable :?
Quote from: "smurfy74"ive just got back and got some interesting news from a cast member in a bar - we will see 3 - 4 new attractions in time for 2012 and yes one will be a water ride ( let you guess which one ), i wonder if my source is reliable :?
Toy Story Playland? Just a thought.
Quote from: "smurfy74"ive just got back and got some interesting news from a cast member in a bar - we will see 3 - 4 new attractions in time for 2012 and yes one will be a water ride ( let you guess which one ), i wonder if my source is reliable :?
No offence, but take whatever CM's say with a large pinch of salt.
Its not impossible (especially as Toy Story Playland is 3 attractions ;)) but CM's are known for starting rumours.
he said it was on top of toy story playland, another interesting thing he mentioned was that the hotel discounts for dream passes was going - i checked in my paperwork and it says offer expires in november so i will have to wait and see.
Quotehe said it was on top of toy story playland, another interesting thing he mentioned was that the hotel discounts for dream passes was going - i checked in my paperwork and it says offer expires in november so i will have to wait and see.
Considering they have troubles filling up the hotels already, I highly doubt the AP discounts will be dropped. But I'll check with my source who's directly involved with offers and such. :wink:
Quote from: "Kristof"Considering they have troubles filling up the hotels already, I highly doubt the AP discounts will be dropped. But I'll check with my source who's directly involved with offers and such. :wink:
Ahhhh :cry:, there still having trouble filling the hotels up ?
The hotels are so good, why cant they do it :idea:
Aww smurfy, I hope your source ist reliable, I'm so much waiting for a water ride to come to DLP :)!
They have problems filling up the hotels? In Germany, it is (or at least was throughout the last years) no big price difference between a (2-star) Disney Hotel and the (3-4-star) selected hotels, although the lower Disney hotels only have 2 stars, I would always prefer staying there because you have the "Disney feeling", you're closer to the parks etc... But I also think that they should improve quality, otherwise people don't see any advantages in going to DLP...
I wonder where you heard all the rumours! but i really hope that some of them become true.
Splash mountain would be fantastic, because a waterride is what disneyland needs. But what will happen to it when it's winter? do you think it'll be closed?
Quote from: "Mrs. Jennes"I wonder where you heard all the rumours! but i really hope that some of them become true.
Splash mountain would be fantastic, because a waterride is what disneyland needs. But what will happen to it when it's winter? do you think it'll be closed?
This question has been asked so many time and the simple answer is there is a simple mechanism in the ride that can be switched to let the ride get people wet or not wet.
Splash mountain and the How it would work in winter have been deeply discussed in this topic :)
//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1058
oh i'm sorry, i just were a bit too lazy to read every single reply here
but now i will search for it, thanks :)
California Adventure and Hong Kong are now both getting millions spent on expansions/developments. So surely it's only a matter of time before a multi -million plan was unveiled for expansions at Paris. [-o<
Latest news from Hong Kong could add fuel to the DLRP fires!
Aswe know DLP and HKD are both getting identical Toy Story Lands - makes sense as its saves money - but they are also getting a stripped down version of Frontierland called "Grizzly Trail".
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Grizzly Trail is a mine train ride that runs around Grzzly Rock - the bear shaped mountain from DCA's... Grizzly River Rapids!
Would it not makes sense for Disney to construct two of these bespoke mountains and give DLP its so-called "Missing E-Ticket"?
MM
QuoteWould it not makes sense for Disney to construct two of these bespoke mountains and give DLP its so-called "Missing E-Ticket"?
What missing E-Ticket? Besides, we already have a Big Thunder Mountain-like attraction.
And if you look at the description of the Haunted Mansion attraction, it says it'll use a trackless system, something our Ratatouille dark ride will get as well.
QuoteAswe know DLP and HKD are both getting identical Toy Story Lands - makes sense as its saves money.
Actually TSPL was supposed to be 100% DLP exclusive, but it was decided the very last minute that the Arctic land at HKDL would be replaced by TSL. So DLP paid all the R&D for this one.
All of these would be great
I'm sure they will do something for the 20th anniversary
Quote from: "Kristof"Tons of new rumours are starting to spread over the fan community!
Here are a few, coming from Disney Central Plaza and other sources
- Closing of Animagique
- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets
- Three small attractions in Toon Studio
- Chinese Theatre façade for Soarin'
- Removal of La Cabane des Robinson
- Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril and replaced by an E-ticket
- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain.
what??? I like cinemagique :O and don't replace indiana jones, its great! And the Cowboy Cookout has great chicken :(
I really do hope these are only rumours
Quote from: "Alice738"Quote from: "Kristof"Tons of new rumours are starting to spread over the fan community!
Here are a few, coming from Disney Central Plaza and other sources
- Closing of Animagique
- Closing of Cinémagique and replaced by a show with Mickey using lasers and water jets
- Three small attractions in Toon Studio
- Chinese Theatre façade for Soarin'
- Removal of La Cabane des Robinson
- Removal of Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril and replaced by an E-ticket
- Removal of the Cowboy Cook-Out BBQ, Critter Corral and the Frontierland Depot to build thé attraction for the 20th Anniversary: Splash Mountain.
what??? I like cinemagique :O and don't replace indiana jones, its great! And the Cowboy Cookout has great chicken :(
I really do hope these are only rumours
I hope they are too.
The Frontierland depot?! No!! Thats the best station along with Main street in close second! Shame about the possibility of Indiana Jones going too. However I am glad Disneyland Park may have a chance of getting a look in.
I am however not too fussed about possibility of animagique and cinemagique being removed. Possibly the new water jet/laser ride be similar to the new world of colour attraction in Calafornia?
If they close/change Cinemagique I'm gonna round up a posse of angry truck drivers and encircle the park until they bring it back.(and I'll lock the doors of the train station too !!!) :twisted:
Cinemagique, just say 'Oui' !!!!!!
I hope the removal of the treehouse and Cinemagique are wrong!
Also, I doubt CCBBQ is going anywhere, Splash was in the original masterplan.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
they just cant get rid of cinemagique i'll join the protest to stop it closing!!!
these were rumours from about a year ago, seeing as the tree house has just had a refurb then i doubt they are all true, and there is plenty of space to add extra attractions without having the cost of removing one first and then building.
And why on earth would they want to remove Indy? Although, I thought I read that this was only a temp. ride and has already outlasted in Use-By Date??
Anyway, if they wanted to add a new ride, there's plenty of room beside Indy. And quite frankly I wish they would. Its the one bit of the Railroad journey that really spoils the magic of the whole place. First you get Main Street, the caves, Frontierland, then oh look - an empty field :?
Excuse the bad photoshop (rush job), but look plently of room. Add a ride here, and a couple of paths linking everything. At the minute it's a bit of a pain walking all the way to Indy, to find there's nothing else there, or no other way to go
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Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Anyway, if they wanted to add a new ride, there's plenty of room beside Indy. And quite frankly I wish they would. Its the one bit of the Railroad journey that really spoils the magic of the whole place. First you get Main Street, the caves, Frontierland, then oh look - an empty field :?
The reason for the empty field is originally the plan was to create an Indiana Jones land within a land (think Toy Story Playland only bigger and more themed) with a mine train rollercoaster (not temple of peril) and Indiana Jones Adventure. Sadly the idea had to be scrapped due to money. I think the chances of it happening the way WDI wanted is completely gone because Temple of Peril was just put over it, instead of thinking "hmm, maybe we should leave room incase we get money for something else" (don't know if that bit is true though)
Breeno, there is indeed still room for Indiana Jones Adventure, back in the 90's, WDI still used master plans. although the original thoughts for this space was a jungle cruise/indy hybrid.
Here it is:
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Quote from: "Kristof"Here it is:
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I would still
LOVE to see this! Please please please! [-o< [-o< [-o<
Quote from: "luke85"I would still LOVE to see this! Please please please! [-o< [-o< [-o<
You're not the only one, I'm dying to see an Indiana Jones Adventure ride in Paris [-o< :)
It would be the best 20th present inmho! Loved the ride in Anaheim. It would be a unique ride for Europe. A shame the did not do it for the 15th. That would be great marketing along with Indy 4! =D> [-o<
Quote from: "*TIMMIE*"It would be the best 20th present inmho! Loved the ride in Anaheim. It would be a unique ride for Europe. A shame the did not do it for the 15th. That would be great marketing along with Indy 4! =D> [-o<
Ummm, leave Indy 4 out of this. We want it to be good and well made.......2 things sadly that Indy 4 wasn't (dont get me started, just agree)
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"Quote from: "*TIMMIE*"It would be the best 20th present inmho! Loved the ride in Anaheim. It would be a unique ride for Europe. A shame the did not do it for the 15th. That would be great marketing along with Indy 4! =D> [-o<
Ummm, leave Indy 4 out of this. We want it to be good and well made.......2 things sadly that Indy 4 wasn't (dont get me started, just agree)
I just mentioned it as a marketing chance. I don't want the ride to be influenced it by all. ;)
how wrong you are- indy4 was pretty good.... sorry, i think i've hijacked the topic.
erm- yes- indiana jones land would be awesome
(phew, back on topic now)
NOOOO not animagique i love that show i would die inside if it was gone :( they better keep it please disney
Quote from: "Gareth"NOOOO not animagique i love that show i would die inside if it was gone :( they better keep it please disney
Yeah, I agree.
Unless they planned on changing into something like Philharmagic, then I might just change my mind.
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/ ... uture.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/08/looking-towards-future.html)
A very interesting blog entry from Disney and more written on Sunday. It shows all of the officially announced and non officially announced rides which will be coming to every Disney park. Just scroll down to DLRP to read about the resort's new rides and attractions.
Quote from: "CentralPlazaPerson"http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/08/looking-towards-future.html
A very interesting blog entry from Disney and more written on Sunday. It shows all of the officially announced and non officially announced rides which will be coming to every Disney park. Just scroll down to DLRP to read about the resort's new rides and attractions.
Not big shocking news, but indeed some really nice things on the lists :D
Some real rumours thou for DLRP or not?
Thanks for sharing!
Disney and more has posted a very interesting article about a possible Splash Mountain. The article says that Disney Officials Al Weiss and Philippe Gas have visited the Europa Park in Germany.
The park is owned by ride-manufacturer MACK. I think the company built Crush's Coaster.
It looks like the Disney Officials are interested in a water ride.
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/ ... asmic.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/09/editors-note-looking-for-fantasmic.html)
Interesting to hear that the management are looking round EP. They could learn a lot from there. Hopefully they liked some of the non-toonified theming.
But have they still not made their mind up for the 20th anniversary attraction?? I'd be perfectly happy for Splash to come to DLP, either after Ratatouille or as the 20th attraction.
very interesting!
i would not buy anything from the mack company, because
the owner just talk bad about DLP, its always a bad publicity.
i think right now they really don´t know what they want, and take all
options they have open..
may the big deal is coming and we really will see spalsh and ratatouille and a
lot other stuff. may the TWDC will give us some money..
but who knows, we need a spy in the company!!
Quote from: "lil-shawn"i would not buy anything from the mack company, because
the owner just talk bad about DLP, its always a bad publicity.
Mack has already manufactured a couple of rides for Disney, albeit smaller ones. With the prospect of new rides going to Paris and Hong Kong as well as a new Disneyland for Shanghai Mack is probably VERY interested in doing more business with Disney.
But I have to agree lil-shawn, Roland Mack should watch his mouth and manners if he really wants to do business with the (proper!) Mouse...
By the way, mutual visits between EP and the Disney parks (or any major theme parks) are not uncommon... They know each others' parks quite well...
QuoteMack has already manufactured a couple of rides for Disney, albeit smaller ones. With the prospect of new rides going to Paris and Hong Kong as well as a new Disneyland for Shanghai Mack is probably VERY interested in doing more business with Disney.
yeah i know, mack is building good rides. and i think its a good company for
disney because mack is not expansive...
QuoteBut I have to agree lil-shawn, Roland Mack should watch his mouth and manners if he really wants to do business with the (proper!) Mouse...
yeah right, also who is he to say disney is bad, he copy a lot of the disney parks
in his park, so he should first look at himself...
sure europapark is a nice and beautyfull park, but its not fair to make another
park bad..
Quote from: "dagobert"The park is owned by ride-manufacturer MACK. I think the company built Crush's Coaster.
Maurer Söhne built Crush's Coaster. More information can be found about the ride here: http://www.rcdb.com/3306.htm (http://www.rcdb.com/3306.htm)
I hope these discussions become reality with our own Splash Mountain. :)
This visit to Europa Park sounds very promising :) I hope something tangible comes out of this trip, Splash Mountain is long overdue in DLP!
Mack make great rides, and Roland Mack is one of the good guys.
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Just throwing this out there to add something else to the speculation, very unlikely that this will happen.
Mack don't just make log flume's though, they have an impressive array of water rides that they build.
Although doubtful I wonder if Paris are interested in a different kind of Splash Mountain, for example a Water Coaster.
One of the Water Coasters features is a variable splash volume.
I woudn't put to much excitement into this visit. Disney Management was in Germany this specific week anyway, because of the keel laying ceremony of the Disney Dream cruise ship, so this could just have been something like a formal visit.
BTW:
MACK as a manufacturer does not own Europa-Park.
In reality they are two Mack-brothers ("Mack" is their family name). One brother owns and manages the ride manufacturer, the other one owns and manages the park, but of course the relationship between both companies is very deep and Europa-Park kind of functions as a permanent presentation-location for MACK-rides in a lot of situations, but this is not true for every attraction.
And yes: Crush's Coaster was built Maurer Söhne (out of Munich). Not by Mack.
Hmmm - I´m not sure about Splash Mountain.
My opinion: Its far to late for it.
Don´t get me wrong. I love this ride. It was one of my favourites at WDW...
but here in Europe things work different.
Look at Germany - every little PArk here has a water ride. It´s nothing special.
Yes - Splash has a great themeing. And for us - the fans - its a Disney Classic.
But for the normal visitors - its like Small World with a big drop. Big Drops like you get them at every park over europe.
IF they really build Splash Mountain, than they have to build something really really new!
Something special. And no copy. Unfortunately, I do not expect that from DLP
Yes, but I ride Splash for the theming and music, not necessarily the drop. That's the point. What I hate about water rides in Europe is I am yet to find a highly themed one. Closest are Chessington Worlds of Adventure, Legoland and Port Aventura, but they are still nothing like Splash.
When Disneyland opened Splashmountain in 1989, every park in California already had flume rides. But this one was so awesome, they copied it in Florida and Tokyo.
Splash was the ride that I was really disappointed to find out PAris would not have when they were building it, and i would love to have it now.
It's never too late for Splash Mountain! In my opinion, it's one of the best rides created, it's got everything... Great theming, great characters, great songs, and a great thrill factor!
I've always got my fingers crossed that they'll bring it to DLP [-o<
Every good Theme Park needs a water ride.
Its like a basic thing, most parks around the world either have a Log Flume or a Rapids.
But dont forget most of the other parks close at the end of the season so if its not going to be completly covered even if the splash is controlled its still not going to be fun riding in the snow.
A lot of Splash Mountain is covered and in show buildings, there are only small parts of the ride which are outdoors and the ride could be modified so even less of the ride is outdoors.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Yes, but I ride Splash for the theming and music, not necessarily the drop. That's the point.
True - but "Song of the south" is very unknown here. This movie has not the same importance here, than in America. Ask a non-disneyland fan around europe about this music. Most of them don´t know it.
IF you build it, you have to re-theme it.
And if you ride Splash for the themeing and not for the drop -- you don´t need another new ride. POTC gives you, what you are asking for!
QuoteTrue - but "Song of the south" is very unknown here. This movie has not the same importance here, than in America. Ask a non-disneyland fan around europe about this music. Most of them don´t know it.
IF you build it, you have to re-theme it.
And if you ride Splash for the themeing and not for the drop -- you don´t need another new ride. POTC gives you, what you are asking for!
thats not right, in america is song of the south more unknown than here, cuz we had
or have the charakters in the donald duck comic, i know they were there in the past,
i don´t know if this changed.
okay so you will say, dlrp don´t need a splash mountain cuz we have POTC?
thats insane, it sounds like we don´t need the ratatouille ride, for this we have
a lot other dark rides, or we don´t a new coaster with a loop, for this we have
SM, RNRC ect.
QuoteBut dont forget most of the other parks close at the end of the season so if its not going to be completly covered even if the splash is controlled its still not going to be fun riding in the snow.
OMG why does always someone complain about the weather? there are enough ways
thant no one gets wet in the winter month..
i say if they will build splash am fine with but hopefully with a complete
new theme and not a clone from america. something that would fit
in our frontierland.
I'd really like a unique version of Splash. I've always been hoping that those plans for a WRE/Splash combo haven't been dropped... how awesome that would be!
I don't see why people still complain about the weather problem. We know it would have the feature to stop guests getting wet, so why is it still an issue?
Don't forget that Tokyo Disneyland does also have a Splash Mountain. The weather there is like the weather in Paris and the attraction is operated during wintertime, too.
And like lil-shawn said, there are many ways to minimize the water so that people will not get wet.
I know the figures from the comics, but I don't know the movie. I'm not a big fan of these comics, so I hope that DLRP will get a rethemed version of Splash Mountain.
Quote from: "dagobert"Don't forget that Tokyo Disneyland does also have a Splash Mountain. The weather there is like the weather in Paris and the attraction is operated during wintertime, too.
I read that in Tokyo they dry the seats of the boats before reloading !! I really wonder about the weather though in Paris , when the Rivers of America and the waterfalls in Adventureland are frozen solid ,along with every fountain drained, you wonder if they could build a water ride in DLP !
Quote from: "lil-shawn"thats not right, in america is song of the south more unknown than here, cuz we had or have the charakters in the donald duck comic, i know they were there in the past, i don´t know if this changed.
During my time in america I made different experiences. I bet, most of the normal DLP-visitors don´t know, where the characters are from... and even don´t know the songs.
Quote from: "lil-shawn"okay so you will say, dlrp don´t need a splash mountain cuz we have POTC? thats insane
I never said that!!! And I never said we don´t need a Splash Mountain. I said, that we need something special and no copy of an attraction with characters that most of the people don´t know here in europe.
Quote from: "MagicStar"...no copy of an attraction with characters that most of the people don´t know here in europe.
This makes me laugh so much. In the US, no one has seen Song of the South since the late 70's early 80's as Disney has refused to release it. Yet in the UK it is on TV about once a year, usually around Easter. THe songs are not very well known either, with Zippadeedoodaa being the one exception.
It would be the thrill that would get most Europeans on it, but once they ride, it would be an instant hit because of the music and AA's.
What worries me is we end up with some rubbish like Crush that focuses on the thrills mainly. That would be a travesty. I no longer trust Disney, ESPECIALLY in Paris, so I hope for a total copy so they don't screw it up.
The days of PotC and PM style attractions are long gone at Disney, remembering our ToT was designed about 10 years ago.
Everything Disney has built with a thrill element designed in the last 5 years has been terrible.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "MagicStar"...no copy of an attraction with characters that most of the people don´t know here in europe.
This makes me laugh so much. In the US, no one has seen Song of the South since the late 70's early 80's as Disney has refused to release it. Yet in the UK it is on TV about once a year, usually around Easter. THe songs are not very well known either, with Zippadeedoodaa being the one exception.
It would be the thrill that would get most Europeans on it, but once they ride, it would be an instant hit because of the music and AA's.
What worries me is we end up with some rubbish like Crush that focuses on the thrills mainly. That would be a travesty. I no longer trust Disney, ESPECIALLY in Paris, so I hope for a total copy so they don't screw it up.
The days of PotC and PM style attractions are long gone at Disney, remembering our ToT was designed about 10 years ago.
Everything Disney has built with a thrill element designed in the last 5 years has been terrible.
Even Expedition Everest? :shock:
These days I'm kinda expecting Disney to build a Eurofighter rollercoaster because a lot of parks in Europe are getting them, they did the same with Crush's coaster.
Mystic Manor is looking to be a ride in the style of POTC and PM, so I disagree that those kind of attractions don't get built anymore.
I would not object at all to a copy of the WDW Splash Mountain, it will have to arrive at some point DLRP needs a water ride.
Willow I have to agree with you.
In my opinion Expedition Everest is a real Disney attraction. A great story and a great theming. It is one of my favorite Disney attractions. We have ridden it ten times during our trip to WDW.
Quote from: "Willow"Even Expedition Everest? :shock:
Fun coaster, but hardly any of the effects were working even after 2 months of operations - the yeti AA, the fog, the bird on a stick. It is a shadow of what was designed.
If it worked like designed, it would rock. Sadly it does not.
QuoteThis makes me laugh so much. In the US, no one has seen Song of the South since the late 70's early 80's as Disney has refused to release it. Yet in the UK it is on TV about once a year, usually around Easter. THe songs are not very well known either, with Zippadeedoodaa being the one exception.
I totally agree with this. I've said this before but, if Song of the South is irrelevant in 2009, why do the Splash Mountain attractions still have really long lines? Over at Disneyland in California, the line for Splash Mountain is still as long as the line for the Indiana Jones Adventure and the Matterhorn Bobsleds. People still love the themeing, they still love the characters, they still love the environments, and they still love the songs. Take all of the Song of the South thumbing out of Splash Mountain, and all you're left with is a very ordinary log flume ride.
QuoteEverything Disney has built with a thrill element designed in the last 5 years has been terrible.
Designed in the last 5 years, or built in the last 5 years? In the last 5 years (from 2004-2009) Disney haven't opened a whole lot of thrill rides. It's actually really hard to think of any. But Expedition Everest (2006), Hotel Hightower (2006) and Crush's Coaster (2007) have all opened. And they've all been great.
While I would STILL love to see Splash Mountain at Disneyland Park, it seems that The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Adventure and Star Tours 2 are the most likely to get built.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"This makes me laugh so much. In the US, no one has seen Song of the South since the late 70's early 80's as Disney has refused to release it. Yet in the UK it is on TV about once a year, usually around Easter. THe songs are not very well known either, with Zippadeedoodaa being the one exception.
Nice to make you laugh. Guess what, its my profession :D/
But I sometimes ask myself, why there are always people who stolish insist on the past.
Come on. Time changes. No question: Splash Mountain would be a success. But with the change of the theme. Disneylands Splash Mountain is 20 years old! And it worked well. But there is a new generation of visitors now. In America, people love it, because they always had it! Here in Europe, people don´t even know it. Therefore you need a theme, that attract them better, than a story and characters that are more or less unknow!
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"What worries me is we end up with some rubbish like Crush that focuses on the thrills mainly. That would be a travesty. I no longer trust Disney, ESPECIALLY in Paris, so I hope for a total copy so they don't screw it up.
Did you ever thought of the main problem "Money"? Are you able to buy a Mercedes, but you only have the money for a Skoda? WDS needed new attractions. Urgendly. And they did, what was possible with the money they had.
QuoteDid you ever thought of the main problem "Money"? Are you able to buy a Mercedes, but you only have the money for a Skoda? WDS needed new attractions. Urgendly. And they did, what was possible with the money they had.
I understand your point. But if the operators in France don't have the money to build Disney-quality attractions, in a Disney theme park, then maybe they're in the wrong business! You know what I mean? Disney attractions are HUGELY expensive, because they're supposed to be the greatest, the latest, the most elaborate, most imaginative attractions in the World. If they can't afford to do that, the resources to meet that expectation, they're doomed.
In my opinion (i'm new to this and have only read the last page so i apologise for a repeat of anything said) DLRP needs to fill out studios with the balance of the other park, for me it just doesn't fit together right, like a jigsaw done badly. Or maybe i just haven't been to enough theme parks but it all seems like the designers made it blindfolded. Also disney could do with getting a quality rollercoaster thrill ride because it lacks one, i mean rockin' rollercoaster is good, as is the tower of terror but these don't match the likes of valhalla and nemesis...
(hopefully i made some kind of point)
Sam
Didn't know where to put this great article about a gem that never made it.
I surely hope that something like this will pop-up in DLRP management minds!
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Enjoy!
I'm sure that such a great attraction will not pop-up in the mind of any Disney resort management, except Tokyo Disney Resort.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Willow"Even Expedition Everest? :shock:
Fun coaster, but hardly any of the effects were working even after 2 months of operations - the yeti AA, the fog, the bird on a stick. It is a shadow of what was designed.
If it worked like designed, it would rock. Sadly it does not.
:roll:
Man, oh man.
The whole ride and its features worked 100% for 3 whole years. This is fact and you can confirm it with frequent visitors to DAK. Please don't just spout out random facts.
Yeti AA recently is in permanent B/edited A until small refurb in 2010. Bird is said to be up and running again. Fog and steam aren't, but that doesn't make or break the ride. If it does for you, then you're too judgemental.
Quote from: "Imagineer Scott"The whole ride and its features worked 100% for 3 whole years. This is fact and you can confirm it with frequent visitors to DAK. Please don't just spout out random facts.
Yeti AA recently is in permanent B/edited A until small refurb in 2010. Bird is said to be up and running again. Fog and steam aren't, but that doesn't make or break the ride. If it does for you, then you're too judgemental.
...but if none of the effects are working - like during my visit two weeks ago - , it
does break the ride.
And if they are having these maintenance issues after just three years, imagine how the ride will look like in 10 or 20 years...
And while I think that this is largely due to poor maintenance at WDW (not the only case of effects not working during our recent visit), I would also blame the engineers working on the yeti - the machinery seems to be just to delicate to have it running 10 hours a day, 365 days a year...
Quote from: "Imagineer Scott"Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Quote from: "Willow"Even Expedition Everest? :shock:
Fun coaster, but hardly any of the effects were working even after 2 months of operations - the yeti AA, the fog, the bird on a stick. It is a shadow of what was designed.
If it worked like designed, it would rock. Sadly it does not.
:roll:
Man, oh man.
The whole ride and its features worked 100% for 3 whole years. This is fact and you can confirm it with frequent visitors to DAK. Please don't just spout out random facts.
Yeti AA recently is in permanent B/edited A until small refurb in 2010. Bird is said to be up and running again. Fog and steam aren't, but that doesn't make or break the ride. If it does for you, then you're too judgemental.
Funny, I am going on my own personal experience of the attraction as well as what I read. We were on it months after it opened, and none of the effects were working except the projected Yeti. The AA room was just dark. This was my personal experience. And on multiple days. These are not "Random". And there are plenty of other cast member and imagineering friends of mine that have reported likewise.
Keep snorting the pixie dust
The bird was actually removed last week when we were there..yetis working fine Animatronic and the projections.. steam on trains is still not working, however yopu can see it's not turned off as you can see it attempting to work under the engine in the station but when the train pulls out it looks like the release valve is constantly leaking it out, so when it does open there's none left..
QuoteAnd if they are having these maintenance issues after just three years, imagine how the ride will look like in 10 or 20 years...
Fair point but how's that relevent and what are you measuring it against.. I would not expect any complex ride to not need maintenance unless they have re invented the wheel .. And you certainly can't say it was better in the good old days; most rides always had issues in the good old days, we just tend to gloss over it..
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I think with a lot of effects on rides is that they aren't aware of the problems till they ride has been in operation for a few months.So the first time people ride an attraction with all the effects running it is great,and then over time they realise the steam and fog are causing problems , or an animatronic was too ambitious ; and everything has to be scaled back ! Therefore everyone sees it as a huge set back ! Look at our own Dragon in DLP , he used to breath fire till they realised an animatronic failure meant he would set the guests alight !!!
I am not trying to excuse the Imagineers , just that some things only become apparent over time.A lot of rides are built trying to be bigger and better than anything before it and don't always work out !! No one more than me ,wishes attractions were as good as when they first opened !! :D
For those of you saying that Splash Mountain wouldn't be relevant because of it's "Song of the South" theming, i have to say you're wrong. It may be on TV once a year in the UK, but still I doubt most families in the UK have ever seen it unless they happen to own it's only VHS release from the 90s.
Song of the South however, is in my opinion not what brings visitors to Splash Mountain. You can pretty much guarantee that anyone going on Splash Mountain is boarding the ride because they can plainly see that it's a great traditional theme park log flume. A fun water ride. Most people don't even know that there's even a theme to it I bet! Maybe a water ride of the same type with a different theme would be popular, but at the end of the day even if Song of the South has essentially vanished from Disney's lineup of family movies, people will still go to a theme park on a hot day and look for a water ride. A huge mountain with a big drop into a lake? Who cares what the theme is!
Quote from: "candydog"For those of you saying that Splash Mountain wouldn't be relevant because of it's "Song of the South" theming, i have to say you're wrong. It may be on TV once a year in the UK, but still I doubt most families in the UK have ever seen it unless they happen to own it's only VHS release from the 90s.
Song of the South however, is in my opinion not what brings visitors to Splash Mountain. You can pretty much guarantee that anyone going on Splash Mountain is boarding the ride because they can plainly see that it's a great traditional theme park log flume. A fun water ride. Most people don't even know that there's even a theme to it I bet! Maybe a water ride of the same type with a different theme would be popular, but at the end of the day even if Song of the South has essentially vanished from Disney's lineup of family movies, people will still go to a theme park on a hot day and look for a water ride. A huge mountain with a big drop into a lake? Who cares what the theme is!
I think that is relevant for a lot of rides though, how many kids nowadays have seen Snow White or Pinnochio ,it is about the experience of the ride and its story that makes it so enjoyable ! POTC was a great ride that had no relevance to any film for years but people love it ,one of the parks most popular always !!
Absolutely Timbo. Disney's best rides - Haunted Mansion, Big Thunder, PotC, IASW, Space Mountain, Jungle Cruise etc. were built without a tie in to Disney films and became huge successes.
How many character based attractions are "Must ride" experiences?
Quote from: "Timbo"Quote from: "candydog"For those of you saying that Splash Mountain wouldn't be relevant because of it's "Song of the South" theming, i have to say you're wrong. It may be on TV once a year in the UK, but still I doubt most families in the UK have ever seen it unless they happen to own it's only VHS release from the 90s.
Song of the South however, is in my opinion not what brings visitors to Splash Mountain. You can pretty much guarantee that anyone going on Splash Mountain is boarding the ride because they can plainly see that it's a great traditional theme park log flume. A fun water ride. Most people don't even know that there's even a theme to it I bet! Maybe a water ride of the same type with a different theme would be popular, but at the end of the day even if Song of the South has essentially vanished from Disney's lineup of family movies, people will still go to a theme park on a hot day and look for a water ride. A huge mountain with a big drop into a lake? Who cares what the theme is!
I think that is relevant for a lot of rides though, how many kids nowadays have seen Snow White or Pinnochio ,it is about the experience of the ride and its story that makes it so enjoyable ! POTC was a great ride that had no relevance to any film for years but people love it ,one of the parks most popular always !!
Actually, Snow White and Pinocchio as rides ARE popular for the theming. People don't get on those rides thinking "hmmmm a ride, what a thrill.... who's snow white?" they get on with the kids thinking "hey a snow white ride". In the case of dark rides like that it IS the theming which brings visitors to it, because that's basically what those rides are all about: the story.
Splash Mountain on the other hand brings visitors to it because it's a log flume. They go more for the ride than the story.
In fact I think even POTC was popular for it's theming, I mean sure there was no movie version back then, but everyone went on it because it looked like a fun ride about Pirates, and everyone knows about pirates!
As for how many kids have seen Snow White or Pinnochio, I'd have to say probably a few hundred thousand times the amount who've ever seen Song of the South. The idea that you think they aren't well known to today's kids is ridiculous! Pinocchio had a major DVD release early this year and Snow White's release is next week! And regardless of that Snow White in particular has a huge fan following selling merchandise by the truckload every year thanks to the Princess franchise. I understand your point that theming being unimportant is relevant to a lot of rides, but I think in the case of those two you picked extremely poor examples, as they're among the rides in the park in which the theming IS the ride.
I think I didn't make my point very clear , I was trying to say that a good ride will work regardless of the characters involved ,hence POTC where no one recognises any of the figures .Snow White and Pinocchio are great and everyone loves them because they are beautifully themed and tell a great story and everyone enjoys the experience;and although Pinocchio and Snow White are very popular ,I agree,where would you buy Pinocchio merchandise nowadays apart from the Parks and Disney stores.It is the Pixar films that are heavily promoted nowadays and I was kind of refering to that as opposed to the Disney classics.Children today are more aware of Toy Story than Dumbo or Alice in Wonderland!!!You can go into any Asda and Tesco and pick up a Buzz Lightyear but think you might struggle to find something with the Seven Dwarfs on it !
Where is our Little Mermaid ride that was promised at the Park opening ? Or the Beauty and the Beast attraction ,instead 15 years later it is Buzz,Nemo,Cars and Toy Story rides that have been built because they appeal more to todays market :(
So although the classic Disney rides are really popular ,I think some children are not as familiar with the story when they go on it as they might be with a Toy Story attraction
When I first went on Splash Mountain when it opened ,I did not know the film at all but bought the video afterwards and really love it ;it was the scenes and characters in the ride that I liked so much not the fact it was a log flume.
A little bit off-topic
Here in Germany, it's very easy, to find something about Snow White and the seven dwarf, Cinderella or Ariel. You can even buy Cinderellas Castle (looks almost like the DLP-castle)and the house of the seven dwarfs. You can buy it almost in every bigger departmentstore or toystore. They are very popular here in Germany. You can even buy Dumbo plushes.
Vice versa it's very, very hard to find something Toy Story related or even Pixar related. Some Cars ond Ratatouille merchandise, that's all. Woody & Co have left the shelfs many years ago.
A thought that occurred to me last week with the Dubai bubble bursting:
Could it be that Disney might have trouble getting banks to finance another round of new attractions? (Lets remember that the additions between 2006 and 2008 cost more than 200 million Euros...)
A lot of companies do have trouble getting a fresh credit in the wake of the financial crisis.
Could Euro Disney be one of them?
Disneytheque have released an article about the supposed 20th Anniversary attraction. According to them, there are three possibilities in competition: a Ratatouille dark ride, The Little Mermaid dark ride and Soarin', but only one will open for the 20th. Apparently (and they seem quite certain about this), it'll be The Little Mermaid, with the possibility of the other two opening in the following years...
:arrow: http://www.disneytheque.com/Et_le_proch ... __a49.html (http://www.disneytheque.com/Et_le_prochain_E_Ticket_sera____a49.html)
Obviously it'll be fantastic to see TLM finally swim into DLP especially after the ride's history with the resort, but I think that of the three the one that I'd have liked to see open first and was hoping for the most was Ratatouille. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see them all at DLP one day, but the uniqueness and scale of Ratatouille seemed the most 20th Anniversary worthy to me. Opening TLM first to me appears more like Disney trying to open the same ride three times over (California 2011, Florida 2012 and Paris 2012) at the same time to save money :wink:
I hope that this rumour is true, because I really want to see The Little Mermaid Ride coming to DLP. I also think that it will save Disney a lot of money to build the same ride at WDW, DCA and DLP at nearly at the same time.
What do they mean with the following years to build Soarin' and Ratatouille sark ride? The 25th birthday or the 30th birthday. I can't imagine that these two rides will open a year or two later, because I think that these rides are very expensive and I'm not sure if Euro Disney has the money to build three D or E tickets rides in three years.
Quote from: "dagobert"What do they mean with the following years to build Soarin' and Ratatouille sark ride? The 25th birthday or the 30th birthday. I can't imagine that these two rides will open a year or two later, because I think that these rides are very expensive and I'm not sure if Euro Disney has the money to build three D or E tickets rides in three years.
Well it's still very possible. What they'd be doing here (if rumours are true) would be building the cheapest option of the three first and promoting it with the 20th anniversary promotions (think how much the 15th made for the resort) to make as much money as possible. This could generate a significant amount of income to help or fully finance these other two projects as well. It certainly isn't out of the picture, especially if DLP could finance Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast, the Once Upon a Dream Parade, Crush's Coaster, Cars Race Rally, The Tower of Terror and Stitch Live and two placemaking projects (Toon Studio and Hollywood Boulevard) within three years (two if you remove Buzz from the list!) :)
You never know, they could always open another one the20th Anniversary Celebration Continues... Extra Big Time! :P
How many more times is this 20th anniversary attraction going to change? :lol:
I thought it was confirmed to be Ratatouille? There's even construction fences around the site. The last we heard of a Little Mermaid attraction was ages ago. Are DLP purposely confusing us? In a few weeks time I bet someone else will confirm that the new attraction will be Soarin'.
I really hope all three rides will be added eventually. But of all projects I hope the Ratatouille ride will be added first. It is the most unique ride of them all, and would perfectly fit. Especially with the French visitors numbers are up lately. [-o< Allthough the Little Mermaid has been waiting to swim in the lagoons of the park since the opening in 1992. So she can wait a little longer when she is waiting that long. :D/
Quote from: "RnRCj"Are DLP purposely confusing us?
You mean Disneytheque?
Quote from: "Kristof"Quote from: "RnRCj"Are DLP purposely confusing us?
You mean Disneytheque?
I mean whoever it is that keeps changing the information.
True or not, at least these rumours something to talk about.
This is what Disneytheque revealed for the Resort:
Disney Village
- World of Disney (corner of the cinema)
- Convention centre (between World of Disney and Da Vinci Parking)
- New stores replacing current stores:
*Change desk - KFC
*Disney Store - Virging Megastore (seems unlikely to me)
*Disney Gallery (Rehab/renovations)
*Disney Fashion, World of toys - Pixar, Lego and Disney Green Range
*Hurricanes - Tony's Restaurant
Disney Hotels
- New hotel and convent centre (style American twenties?)
Between Newport Bay Club and Da Vinci Parking.
I posted the DP and WDS news in those forums.
Quote from: "*TIMMIE*"This is what Disneytheque revealed for the Resort:
Disney Village
- World of Disney (corner of the cinema)
- Convention centre (between World of Disney and Da Vinci Parking)
- New stores replacing current stores:
*Change desk - KFC
*Disney Store - Virging Megastore (seems unlikely to me)
*Disney Gallery (Rehab/renovations)
*Disney Fashion, World of toys - Pixar, Lego and Disney Green Range
*Hurricanes - Tony's Restaurant
Disney Hotels
- New hotel and convent centre (style American twenties?)
Between Newport Bay Club and Da Vinci Parking.
I posted the DP and WDS news in those forums.
I'd love a new hotel :D , but I hate fast food :x , and with a McDonalds we wont really need KFC, Virgin Megastores only really have a few stores left anywhere, and I dont think we really need one of them :( .
Thumbs up for World of Disney :D , but i think a Lego Store would be much better at Val d'Europe than Disney Village :? .
The Pixar and Green shops sound really cool :mrgreen: 8) , but I'd quite like there to still be a nightclub somewhere :? .
Virgin Megastores and KFC? If we're putting together random ideas, can't we have Soarin' and Theater District? Let's be a bit more aspirational!
The LEGO shop is a great idea though, make a note of that Mr Gas.
to me sseems unlikley they will change the Change Desk / Currency Desks into a KFC as I did see people using it quite a bit when I was there and it is a good idea for disney to have it otherwise you would have to go outwith the park to find somewhere to change your money for you
I really can't see KFC or a Virgin Megastore heading to the Village. The change desk is really something i can't see them removing (unless the same service is available somewhere else?), plus we already have the likes of Mcdonalds, Annette's and those wagons in the village alone, do we need another fast food place?
As for the megastore, have they don't gone down the pan? I know most had a name change from Virgin Megastore to Zavvi, but i thought i heard they all shut down last year (part of the big thing that seen the likes of Woolworths biting the dust)?
Quote from: "-breeno-"As for the megastore, have they don't gone down the pan? I know most had a name change from Virgin Megastore to Zavvi, but i thought i heard they all shut down last year (part of the big thing that seen the likes of Woolworths biting the dust)?
Virgin Megastores are run by different owners in different countries. While all Megastores in the US have closed, and most of the UK stores were re-branded as "Zavvi", Virgin Megastores seem to be alive and relatively well in France:
QuoteThere are 35 Virgin Megastores in France. 12 additional stores in France are branded Furet du Nord, and about 10 international stores are owned by the same company.
Lagardère Group bought the chain in 2001. In December 2007 Butler Capital Partners announced their intention to mount a majority takeover of the French arm of Virgin from Lagardère. This deal was finalised in February 2008. According to the Lagardère 2007 report, 80% of the Virgin stores was to be sold by Lagardère Services at a value of €76.4 million, and 20% would be kept. Prior to this sale 51% of VirginMega, France's number 2 music download website, was transferred to the Virgin Stores company (sold to Butler), and the remaining 49% was kept by Lagardère Active.
In March 2008 the French Megastores enlisted Kyriba Corporation's real-time, on-demand cash and treasury management solution
Source: Wikipedia (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Megastores#France)
In any case, how many of DLP's international visitors would buy French CDs and DVDs at Disney Village, when they barely buy them from their own local towns (hence Virgin/Zavvi closing)?
The rumour is incredibly old. It used to be packaged with word that WDS would get Who Wants to Be a Millionaire: Play It and Muppet*Vision 3D.
Quote from: "Anthony"The rumour is incredibly old. It used to be packaged with word that WDS would get Who Wants to Be a Millionaire: Play It and Muppet*Vision 3D.
Forget about "Who Wants..." - this rumour has been around since the 90s!
Though I could imagine that Disney still would like to have a big name entertainment retailer at this spot. If it's going to be Virgin or not - well, I suppose we'll see.
Most of what Disneytheque presented is a collection of long-time rumours. That which is new - like "Tony's" and the KFC - seems incredibly absurd to me. However, incredible absurd things have the tendency of becoming true. (See Toy Story Playland and Blockbuster Café...)
I still have high hopes for Who Wants to be a Millionaire.
The Tony's thing seems even more absurd when you realize there already is a restaurant based on the Bella Notte scene from Lady and the Tramp at the resort. Rarely does a single movie scene warrant two different restaurants anywhere.
I think it's time to move on from this little scoop.
I'll believe a lot of these rumours when I see a some construction starting.
Who says Tony's is Lady and the Tramp related?
Why would KFC be a strange choice? They already have several other Franchises.
Nothing says magic like eating greasy chicken out of a bucket. I really hope this is a myth.
Some of this seems really strange...
KFC, hmm I guess it could be true when we have McDonald's, but I really hope it isn't true - the food is very unmagical and some of the stories about KFC don't seem to fit in with Disney in my opinion.
Tony's is the weirdest of the rumours though - It would be really strange to have a "copy" of a restaurant from within Disneyland Park (WDW) in Disney Village, where we are used to franchises without a Disney connection (with the exception of Café Mickey of course).
However the other rumours mentioned on Disneytheque seems pretty obvious and realistic - I would love an update of Toad Hall Restaurant - it is one of my favorite places to eat in Disneyland Park.
With regards to KFC, it makes sense as its a different choice, I quite like KFC and have it as a treat occasionally.( as im watching my weight ) For people on a budget then this is good news as for a family eating in the Disney Hotel restaurants or Cafe Mickey for example is a lot of money, three of us ate in Cafe Mickey and it was well over 100 euro for just the value menu which is over £100 considering the current exchange rate for an average meal. The amount of people eating in McDonalds is proof that value dining has its place ( albeit not everyones choice ) and it also helps dispell the myths that many Brits have that " Euro Disney is too expensive ".
Quote from: "forza_united"KFC, hmm I guess it could be true when we have McDonald's, but I really hope it isn't true - the food is very unmagical and some of the stories about KFC don't seem to fit in with Disney in my opinion.
](*,) Some people will believe anything. There's nothing wrong with KFC (in general... obviously some branches may have staff who don't follow their standard operating procedures). How "magical" are burgers, pizzas, american deli sandwiches, and the various other offers in the Village?
Like some have said, it'll be good to have another reliable but affordable food option (no-one would be forced to eat there!)
Quote from: "paul"Quote from: "forza_united"KFC, hmm I guess it could be true when we have McDonald's, but I really hope it isn't true - the food is very unmagical and some of the stories about KFC don't seem to fit in with Disney in my opinion.
](*,) Some people will believe anything. There's nothing wrong with KFC (in general... obviously some branches may have staff who don't follow their standard operating procedures). How "magical" are burgers, pizzas, american deli sandwiches, and the various other offers in the Village?
Like some have said, it'll be good to have another reliable but affordable food option (no-one would be forced to eat there!)
everything is wrong with KFCruelty....have you seen how they treat chickens
http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com)
^That's not really the issue here, lets keep to the topic :)
Quote from: "paul"Quote from: "forza_united"KFC, hmm I guess it could be true when we have McDonald's, but I really hope it isn't true - the food is very unmagical and some of the stories about KFC don't seem to fit in with Disney in my opinion.
](*,) Some people will believe anything. There's nothing wrong with KFC (in general... obviously some branches may have staff who don't follow their standard operating procedures). How "magical" are burgers, pizzas, american deli sandwiches, and the various other offers in the Village?
Like some have said, it'll be good to have another reliable but affordable food option (no-one would be forced to eat there!)
I am not saying that KFC is just as bad as all the stories about them - but they do not come from nowhere. I'm also not saying that burgers and sandwiches are especially magical, but I would like to see DV move in a different direction, so we do not add more of these places. You can do pretty cheap things which is a bit more high quality than for instance KFC, but of course this is just my opinion.
Quote from: "electricdreams"everything is wrong with KFCruelty....have you seen how they treat chickens
http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com)
A very sensationalised and biased website - not too surprising when it's run by PETA - who are essentially the terrorists of the animal rights world! Come back to me on this one when you have unbiased proof. :)
Personally, I'd say a chain fast-food outlet with national/worldwide regularly checked standards (which are known to be met) are more reliable to eat at than unrecognised places such as the kebab outlet in the DV (is that even still there?)
But anyway, back on topic...
Quote from: "paul"Quote from: "electricdreams"everything is wrong with KFCruelty....have you seen how they treat chickens
http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com)
A very sensationalised and biased website - not too surprising when it's run by PETA - who are essentially the terrorists of the animal rights world! Come back to me on this one when you have unbiased proof. :)
Personally, I'd say a chain fast-food outlet with national/worldwide regularly checked standards (which are known to be met) are more reliable to eat at than unrecognised places such as the kebab outlet in the DV (is that even still there?)
But anyway, back on topic...
omg...unbaised proof...watch the factual video footage of how they make KFC! ....or read/watch the following statements from Phil Collins,Sir Paul McCartney,The Black Eyed Peas,Pamela Anderson and many many more celebrities who stand up for the welfare of the 1 billion chickens KFC slaughter every year that
you eat!
I completly agree with you the standards in a ff restaurant chain will always be good compared to your local kebeb outlet but that isnt the issue about KFC & PETA.....its all about what they are selling you in the chains
All Peta is trying to do is get KFC to adopt a animal welfare program ( i wont go into detail why as it will go off topic even more,check the website) and i personally feel it is not right for Disney and their image
rant over :lol:
Quote from: "electricdreams"who stand up for the welfare of the 1 billion chickens KFC slaughter every year that you eat!
Well, to be fair, a billion a year is a bit OTT... I probably get through about 3 chickens a year from there :P and very nice they are too.
Quote from: "paul"Quote from: "electricdreams"who stand up for the welfare of the 1 billion chickens KFC slaughter every year that you eat!
Well, to be fair, a billion a year is a bit OTT... I probably get through about 3 chickens a year from there :P and very nice they are too.
You might not care about the welfare of animals and what you eat but at least i see you have a sense of humour :wink:
KFC is not coming. The end.
Alarm bells should have rung as soon as the "I know something you don't know" act began. And then again when we read Tony's Restaurant was due to replace Hurricanes. And then again when they thought Ratatouille might be positioned at the end of an empty Hollywood Boulevard. Good fun, but enough now.
Yes there will be a new restaurant soon within the next two years operated by Flo Groupe their are several projects under discussion but no official green light on any of these projects. Also KFC being just next to Annettes Diner very unlikely as flo Groupe who operate Annettes on behalf of Disney would not entertain another restaurant simular to their's just opening next door.
Quote from: "phantom247"Yes there will be a new restaurant soon within the next two years operated by Flo Groupe their are several projects under discussion but no official green light on any of these projects. Also KFC being just next to Annettes Diner very unlikely as flo Groupe who operate Annettes on behalf of Disney would not entertain another restaurant simular to their's just opening next door.
That actually sounds plausible. (Groupe Flo is a French company operating brasserie-style restaurants all over Europe, including the one underneath the stained-glass dome of Printemps in Paris and, apparently, Annette's.)
Are they behind anything else at Disneyland Paris?
Regarding Discotheque Hurricanes, there's an internal announcement every year since 2007 that it would close later that year, but the closure gets cancelled each and every time. Last time it would get closed for good was past November...
Quote from: "Kristof"Regarding Discotheque Hurricanes, there's an internal announcement every year since 2007 that it would close later that year, but the closure gets cancelled each and every time. Last time it would get closed for good was past November...
I've never been to Hurricanes, is it very popular or why does Disney postpone the closure every year?
From the outside, Hurricanes doesn't really appeal to me, but maybe it is a great nightclub.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Are they behind anything else at Disneyland Paris?
They appear to run most of the Disney Village restaurants: King Ludwig's Castle, Rainforest Cafe, Annette's Diner, Café Mickey and New York Style Sandwiches (taking that from the bottom of here (//http://www.groupeflo-restaurants.com/01/index_uk.html)). I didn't know about that last one, so perhaps they'll run Earl of Sandwich after all?
Is Hurricanes big enough for a restaurant? If it was operated by Groupe Flo perhaps it could share kitchens with Rainforest Cafe and have food brought up...
I can imagine a restaurant there, maybe quite possibly an Italian, maybe even called Tony's Restaurant (though it's a bit of a boring name if I say so myself), but not
the Lady and the Tramp Tony's from MK. With the windows at the back overlooking the lagoon, it could be a very nice dining space.
But does DLP not need a location like Hurricanes? Where will all the CMs go?!
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "pussinboots"Are they behind anything else at Disneyland Paris?
They appear to run most of the Disney Village restaurants: King Ludwig's Castle, Rainforest Cafe, Annette's Diner, Café Mickey and New York Style Sandwiches (taking that from the bottom of here (//http://www.groupeflo-restaurants.com/01/index_uk.html)). I didn't know about that last one, so perhaps they'll run Earl of Sandwich after all?
Is Hurricanes big enough for a restaurant? If it was operated by Groupe Flo perhaps it could share kitchens with Rainforest Cafe and have food brought up...
I can imagine a restaurant there, maybe quite possibly an Italian, maybe even called Tony's Restaurant (though it's a bit of a boring name if I say so myself), but not the Lady and the Tramp Tony's from MK. With the windows at the back overlooking the lagoon, it could be a very nice dining space.
But does DLP not need a location like Hurricanes? Where will all the CMs go?!
Interesting. Looking at that list, it seems arbitrary that they don't run the Steakhouse or Planet Hollywood. It has to be said that they don't do an awful job with these restaurants at all — barring New York Style Sandwiches — and it makes you wonder if the in-park fast food wouldn't benefit from a little outsourcing...
The Cast Members will still have their karaoke base at the Sports Bar.
To complete Ant's list, The Steakhouse is in fact operated by Groupe Flo. :)
Quote from: "pussinboots"Interesting. Looking at that list, it seems arbitrary that they don't run the Steakhouse or Planet Hollywood. It has to be said that they don't do an awful job with these restaurants at all — barring New York Style Sandwiches — and it makes you wonder if the in-park fast food wouldn't benefit from a little outsourcing...
New York Style Sandwiches has always seemed very close to the in-park counter service; some of the same sandwiches, fries and other things. I presume that newish Coca Cola kiosk at the entrance is also Groupe Flo, despite serving the same food as say Casey's Corner? And perhaps La Grange at the top of Billy Bob's?
What's the actual advantage of outsourcing these places, considering Disney already operate all the park and hotel restaurants?
I reckon the benefit is it saves money for EuroDisney SCA?
Anyway, the projects that might be announced in the First Quarter Report could be Villages Nature according to "normand" & "mykey" on Disney Central Plaza;
They say the decision is "imminent" and the delay is down to the state rather than EuroDisney SCA or Pierre & Vacances
Personally, I'd rather new REAL attractions, things like ToT or TSPL
There's a great new article on Disneyandmore about possible future projects:
//http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2010/01/look-at-disneyland-paris-future.html
Mostly rumours we've all heard before, but there are a few new things. What I found most interesting is that World Of Colour is being considered for WDS. Not only would it be a fantastic night-show for the park, but it would add a nice water body to the park as well.
And apparently the 20th anniversary attraction still hasn't been decided. :roll:
WOC would be a smart move for WDS, its running costs would be significantly lower than Fantasmic, it would just cost more for the startup. Maybe a smaller version and some unique segments (the show is meant to be easy add changes)
They really need to decide on this 20th attraction soon, its only a couple of years away.
DLRP needs these additions, it could be a big 10 years for the resort.
I've started a new topic of the World of Color rumour, continue here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8603 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8603)
Never thought I'd be putting WoC and WDS in the same sentence!
A very interesting article, but as long as there are no announcements, concept arts or blueprints, I highly doubt all the plans, but I really hope that this will all come to reality.
A small version of WoC would be great, but I think the costs to build the lake and the show are too high for ED SCA. What I don't get is, why doesn't TWDC pay for anything? They are investing a lot of money in Hong Kong, but nothing in Europe. TWDC just ows 3% more of HKDL than of ED SCA.
I really hope the rumour with Star Tours II is true, because this attraction really needs an update.
For the 20th birthday I would like to see The Little Mermaid instead of Ratatouille, because DLP deserves also a new attraction.
Quote from: "dagobert"For the 20th birthday I would like to see The Little Mermaid instead of Ratatouille, because DLP deserves also a new attraction.
I agree, Disneyland Park should get a new attraction for the 20th, after all it's not WDS that's turning 20. But I would love to see both attractions eventually...
It's really not that exciting, is it. That lake and the World of Color rumor would be, if you ignore all track records, which tell us that it will most likely be postponed until World of Color has turned into yesterday's news and only the lake remains. Soarin' in an art deco building? Of course they'd be planning that, just like we're all planning to improve our French someday. Indy and Splash have turned into two moderately exciting new rides, neither of which has been confirmed yet. The Disneyland Hotel expansion rumor, which was never earth-shattering but at least plausible, is getting smaller every year. The only thing that looks remotely certain (to make a real and positive impact on the resort) is the Disney Village/hotel area/Val d'Europe expansion.
Well, they'd better build The Little Mermaid for the 20th, and it had better be good.
Oh, and it looks like the by now famous DLRPToday article has another believer...
I cant believe no one can give us some factual info regarding future plans at DLP...rumours mean nothing...facts mean everything ...lol
Quote from: "electricdreams"I cant believe no one can give us some factual info regarding future plans at DLP...rumours mean nothing...facts mean everything ...lol
lol . . . but is down to DLP to tell us of what will be happening and they will have new projects planned but would not want to release this due to competitiors plus there is alot of planning would have to go in before they actuly say something will go ahead i.e. budges, planning/building permission and so much more