The Chronicles of Narnia attractionRumoured opening date: 2009
Project status: unconfirmed
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Yep, you read it right! Walt Disney Studios will receive a new attraction soon, but similar to Stitch Live! will it replace an already existing ride...
Armageddon - Les Effets Speciaux!Here's what posted on WDSfans.com:
Quote from: "WDSfans.com"Armageddon Les Effets Speciaux is going! According to our very own source related to the project will Armageddon be replaced by a Narnia related attraction. Although our source did not reveal what the actual attraction will be, it seems that La Roquine on Disney Central Plaza knows more.
According to him will Studio 7 be taken over by a Narnia walkthrough, similar to the one found at Disney's Hollywood Studios in Florida. The attraction there shows a making-of video and highlights sets, costumes and props from the movie.
Our source could share one thing however, an interactive element would be part of the tour.
Discuss!
strangly i have never been on Armageddon, i best go on it before it disappears, however i think an action packed fire set would attract more people than Narnia ?
You left out the part where Jay Rasulo admits that he never cared for Armageddon or the Tram Tour. I liked that bit of honesty.
That was for my second post, but you spoiled that now! :lol: :lol: But for once, I have to admit Jay is right...
The problem with Armageddon was that everything (except the main show) lasted to long. The waiting times outside were way to long AND boring. The pre-show was boring as well. The main show was fun... the first time you experienced it. For me, this show never had any repeatability.
Now, the walkthroughs at DHS are not that spectacular either, but I think it can actually maintain a better crowd control and they're easy to change out when a new movie gets released.
Welcome Narnia walkthrough! :D
Quote from: "Nicholas-c"strangly i have never been on Armageddon, i best go on it before it disappears, however i think an action packed fire set would attract more people than Narnia ?
Me neither, I hope its sill there in December
*fingers crossed*
Hmm I must have done Armageddon twice, maybe three times maximum. It's ok, but I wouldnt queue for it... It also depends on where you're standing, I think... First time we were close to two of the fires, it was a lot more impressive than the last time, when we were on one of the boring sides, and could only feel the heat of the big fire...
Still, I'm not sure a Narnia walkthrough will be very exciting... It sounds a bit similar to the Studio Tram Tour, but without a tram and without the earthquake...
I hope they add some special effects in some parts, and make it a bit more fun that an exhibition (because let's face it, costumes, props and sets, sounds like an exhibition... I've been to Star Wars or Lord of the Rings exhibitions because the movies were special... Narnia is not).
I only have been twice on Armageddon, but I liked the attraction. So I'm a little bit psappointed that it disappears and that it is replaced by a Narnia walkthrough attraction. I didn't like the first movie and haven't seen the second one. I think if they want replace Armageddon, they should replace it with a more exciting attraction.
According to La Roquine will the walkthrough be temporary until there's a bigger budget for another attraction.
They should then leave Armageddon until they have the budget for the bigger attraction...
If they have the Narnia props and stuff, maybe then should add them to the Studio Tram Tour?
Quote from: "never2old"They should then leave Armageddon until they have the budget for the bigger attraction...
If they have the Narnia props and stuff, maybe then should add them to the Studio Tram Tour?
I don't know, this all feels so rushed. Maybe there's a good reason to replace it that fast? Safety? Maintenance? Maybe they're pulling a "Superstar Limo"... When that attraction was closed at DCA, the overall rating of the park rose.
Besides, like I said before, my source indicated it would be an attraction, not a simple walkthrough.
Well i would love to see an addition of Narnia to the Studios.
No it's not as good as for example LOTR, but it is a genre, fantasy, that's underestimated and could be a great addition to the Studios. (and DLRP in a whole)
I hope for an attraction but we will have to wait and see what Kristoff his resource can let loose about this ;)
QuoteI hope for an attraction but we will have to wait and see what Kristoff his resource can let loose about this ;)
I'm trying! But my source really loves his job... :lol:
Quote from: "raptor1982"QuoteI hope for an attraction but we will have to wait and see what Kristoff his resource can let loose about this ;)
I'm trying! But my source really loves his job... :lol:
Hahahahha i am sure he does :P
We will be patiently awaiting his information.......
Quote from: "Remco K."The problem with Armageddon was that everything (except the main show) lasted to long. The waiting times outside were way to long AND boring. The pre-show was boring as well. The main show was fun... the first time you experienced it. For me, this show never had any repeatability.
Now, the walkthroughs at DHS are not that spectacular either, but I think it can actually maintain a better crowd control and they're easy to change out when a new movie gets released.
Welcome Narnia walkthrough! :D
I agree. For an impatient person like myself, the attraction is Hell on earth. If you were able to just walk right into the main show, it would be a funny little B-ticket, but everything around it is D-U-L-L.
I'd welcome any walkthrough attraction that replaces it. Walkthroughs don't raise expectations or queues.
(Same goes for the Tram Tour by the way. Catastrophe Canyon is fine, but the rest of the tour...)
Quote from: "never2old"They should then leave Armageddon until they have the budget for the bigger attraction...
If they have the Narnia props and stuff, maybe then should add them to the Studio Tram Tour?
Agreed. Armageddon is one of my preferred attractions in the whole resort - honsetly!!!! I love it. The walk throughs at DHS are a waste of space, and there added extra is usually a walk around character. This is HORRIBLE. I hope it does not happen.
Believe you me, unless WDI do something really special, it will be as boring as the old Disney Channel attraction. DLP would be really stupid to do this. Totally.
Add a section to the tram tour, or build a new exit and structure next to Cafe de Cascadeurs - meaning that the trams arrive into the boarding station empty and the tram tour is then quicker to load.
I love the pyro on Armageddon, and Catastrophe Canyon. These are the attractions that give the place a Universal Studios type vibe.
Or with a little luck, maybe the Narnia exibit could go into the new building behind animation.
Oh nooo, not Armageddon!! I loved this attraction, although it's not that big...
So if this Narnia-thing will maybe open in 2009, is there a chance that Armageddon will be opened during December this year? :(
Quoteis there a chance that Armageddon will be opened during December this year? :(
Narnia isn't even confirmed, so it's not known when Armageddon will close down.
I´m "divided" to hear this. Armageddon never was my favorit attraction at the park. The show was ok and I love the big pyro bang. But all before was absolute boring, especially after the first time. It´s principal an attraction which I would miss as much as others.
But Narnia????? Narnia don´t really get me in. It´s ok to watch it at a lazy sunday afternoon but nothing to get really excited about. So I only can hope that the "attraction"-factor count more then the "walkthrough"-factor which only means you just need one time to get the whole show.
I understand that a walkthrough is nothing to be thrilled about, but you can look at it this way... The walkthrough will be something new to discover for the returning WDS visitors who haven't visited the park prior to Toon Studio, Hollywood Blvd, ToT, Stitch Live. They'll see an entire new park.
If they keep the walkthrough for 2-3 years and replace it by something bigger, the park has yet again something new. It's a good way to keep the park "fresh" and updated, something the old WDS was lacking. (we're still stuck with Reign of Fire and Dinotopia...)
On the other had, if they put more time and money in developing a better and more interesting pre-show, the attraction could be saved. (But it won't, to be clare).
And don't forget there are also other factors like expensive maintenance, operational costs, insurance, a lot of cast members. If you add this all up and compare it to the guest satisfaction rate, I guess EDL decided it was not worth that price.
PS. My source never said it would be a carbon copy of the Disney's Hollywood Studios version. It might be a total different concept, we don't know yet.
I don´t know the hollywood studios concept. How is it? Just an excibition or more an experience?
I am really torn with this, and to follow on to Raptors quote about DCA overall rating increasing when they removed Superstar Limo, I could see that happening with the removal of Armageddon. I can also understand the operational costs for running it, could outway the guest satisfaction.
My worry is that the repacement will be temporary until a bigger budget is avaliable. Sounds potentially replacing poor with poor. The walkthroughs in DHS I have always enjoyed, but mainly as I love my movies, and also as a gentle respite to the rest of the day. Either to fill time waiting for a show, or maybe after lunch before hitting the "real" attractions.
With so few "real" attractions, and the new ones that have opened actually adding so much to this park, I wonder if expectation from guests is now too high to take away one of the main original attractions to be replaced with a "filler"?
Still, best wait until we know more before passing judgement. Oh, and hasnt the latest Narnia performed drasticaly under expectations at the box office........
I went on Armageddon last year and was very dissapointed. Sure, there were explosions, but I felt like they skipped the climax. I would't go on it again. Narnia is a welcome addition!
Raptor, might it be possible that this new attraction is partly paid by WDHE? As you explained before, most in-park movie promotions are paid by WDHE.
Well... that sucks! I always thought that Armageddon was really making the park a 'movie/universal' park! With the explosions and the cool music :)
When do they finally start with a big expansion instead of all those tiny playhouse stuff ;)
No offense to anyone that likes Narnia but for me its got a *yawn* factor.
I would not like to see this at WDS.
just read all this, we never manage to do armageddon, but i feel with narnia that it was a film to watch once and yes it was great but there is no need to rush out and buy the DVD. reading about the walkway wouldnt it be better doing a family kinda ride something like a log flume/its a small world style ride and make it abit more exiceting i dont know something like valhalla at blackpool but more towards family?
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Quote from: "miss disney fan"reading about the walkway wouldnt it be better doing a family kinda ride something like a log flume/its a small world style ride and make it abit more exiceting i dont know something like valhalla at blackpool but more towards family?
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On the spot of Armageddon?
The way I'm reading all this is that they just want to get rid of the attraction ASAP. That horrible, boring wait and dull pre-show is really dragging down the Studios' rating amongst guests. Replacing it with a quick, fairly cheap fix based on a huge movie franchise and historic series of books seems a great option.
Shame to lose a "real" attraction for something a bit more low-key, but if it's in WDS' interests, then so be it.
Quote from: "Baloo"Quote from: "miss disney fan"reading about the walkway wouldnt it be better doing a family kinda ride something like a log flume/its a small world style ride and make it abit more exiceting i dont know something like valhalla at blackpool but more towards family?
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On the spot of Armageddon?
The way I'm reading all this is that they just want to get rid of the attraction ASAP. That horrible, boring wait and dull pre-show is really dragging down the Studios' rating amongst guests. Replacing it with a quick, fairly cheap fix based on a huge movie franchise and historic series of books seems a great option.
Shame to lose a "real" attraction for something a bit more low-key, but if it's in WDS' interests, then so be it.
Indeed, i agree there however it does seem like they could just sit down and decide on a good replacement insted of replacing it for a holder... which in my books in a waste of money, i was speaking with my aunty about this who loved the narnia film and to be honest she didn't sound too thrilled about a narnia ride....
Its replacing an attraction which has boring wait exciting show with... well exactly the same ?
Quote from: "Baloo"The way I'm reading all this is that they just want to get rid of the attraction ASAP. That horrible, boring wait and dull pre-show is really dragging down the Studios' rating amongst guests. Replacing it with a quick, fairly cheap fix based on a huge movie franchise and historic series of books seems a great option.
Haha, well said.
What if they find a way to recycle Armageddon's main show room though? The effects are, if not mind-blowing, pretty nice and feel like they belong in a studio park. If they manage to integrate it into a walkthrough where expectations won't be quite so high, it might actually be pretty cool.
I did quite enjoy the main part of Armageddon, but as everyone else has said, the queue and pre-show just dragged it out too long. It's not really worth it at the end. So I am willing to welcome Narnia, as long as it is done correctly. Also, it should make next years advertising sound even more impressive, with the new Stars and Motor Cars parade, Playhouse Disney Live,
AND this new Narnia experience, I'm sure it will have an even better impact for the WDS in the long-run, potentially helping to fund the next big expansions :)
I enjoyed Armaggedon the first few times but now its a bit dull. if they do put in a walk through I really hope its better than the Aladin one, so dull. IMO the only use for walk throughs is to get out of the rain.
Quote from: "RockNRoller"I enjoyed Armaggedon the first few times but now its a bit dull. if they do put in a walk through I really hope its better than the Aladin one, so dull. IMO the only use for walk throughs is to get out of the rain.
The Aladdin walk through is fabulous. Not everything needs to be a multi-million E-ticket extravaganza. Now Armageddon on the other hand...
I liked Armageddon, I agree with the views, that it is long and at times boring at the start, but the final part does make up for it. I think now maybe is the time to make a change, and the Chronicles of Narnia, might just be the replacement for now. I'd be interesting in it for sure, since I like the first film, with the new one coming along soon.
It's a wait and see I suppose on this one... :)
Think its a great idea ,as everyone has said the preshow was boring and I certainly would never go in again if there was a queue.I raelly enjoyed Narnia at Disney's Hollywood Studios althogh I thought it was too short. If it was made bigger with more props and costumes I think it could be a big hit.
I guess the same opinion as most people here, is that it's a neat attraction, but I usually skip it these days due to the looooong wait and pre-show. The total time you can spend there is 45 mins and thats a big chunk of my day not doing anything. Of course waiting for SMM2 for 40mins, as frustrating as it can be (waiting in the no longer magical or interesting corridoors to the station), the end result is a lot more fun.
My main bug about this rumour is that Armageddon is far from my top attraction, but I'd much rather hang onto it than get something shuved into there as perhaps a 'quick fix'
If I ever go to the park with first timers I will always ensure they don't miss this attraction, me and my friends during our WDW trip decided to completly skip the Narnia one there.
One final point are the Narnia films really that much of a hit??
If they really want a Narnia attraction, add it to the tram tour as that needs some re-thinking. I don't want to loose attractions, I think the park should continue to add them.
Quote from: "Fever"I guess the same opinion as most people here, is that it's a neat attraction, but I usually skip it these days due to the looooong wait and pre-show. The total time you can spend there is 45 mins and thats a big chunk of my day not doing anything. Of course waiting for SMM2 for 40mins, as frustrating as it can be (waiting in the no longer magical or interesting corridoors to the station), the end result is a lot more fun.
My main bug about this rumour is that Armageddon is far from my top attraction, but I'd much rather hang onto it than get something shuved into there as perhaps a 'quick fix'
If I ever go to the park with first timers I will always ensure they don't miss this attraction, me and my friends during our WDW trip decided to completly skip the Narnia one there.
One final point are the Narnia films really that much of a hit??
If they really want a Narnia attraction, add it to the tram tour as that needs some re-thinking. I don't want to loose attractions, I think the park should continue to add them.
Well, you've said it yourself, Armageddon is like a long, cold shower on what should be a magical day, stealing a large chunk of people's valuable time. It does more bad than good for DLRP. I say good riddance.
Narnia won't be such a time-waster and won't involve a queue that resembles a cattle pen.
Closing down Armageddon is such an aweful idea in my opinion. Personally I think its one of the better attractions of the Studios, especially when you consider it just to be a C-ticket at best. I can only agree with everything Davewasbaloo said. I would rather see them improving the current attraction (especially the pre-show ofcourse) then closing it and use this valuable space with a Narnia walk-through. Besides, if Narnia will be just as bad as the Orlando one, I cant imagine that the satisfaction rates are going to get any higher then they are with Armageddon right now.
By the way, you can't tell me that Honey I Schrunk the Audience for example has a higher satisfaction rate then Armageddon. Why is that waste of space still in operation?! Let close that tired show first.
My last argument is that Armageddon is a DLRP exclusive; it can only be found in Paris. Its only one of a handful of attractions in the Studios that are unique and gives the park its own signature. Replacing it with another attraction that can be found at Disney's Hollywood Studios, after Rock n' RollerCoaster, Moteurs.. Action!, Tower of Terror, Playhouse Disney, Studio Tram Tour, Art of Disney Animation (even Stitch Live! is a clone from another park) is such a bad idea. This way Walt Disney Studios will never be able to become a park with its own identity.
Besides, the fact that Rasulo claims he never cared for Armageddon or the Studio Tram Tour tells me more about him then the attractions. He was the one that pushed this park and attractions to get build. Besides, why should I care about this man's opinion, he has done more bad then good for the Disney parks worldwide.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Well, you've said it yourself, Armageddon is like a long, cold shower on what should be a magical day, stealing a large chunk of people's valuable time. It does more bad than good for DLRP. I say good riddance.
Narnia won't be such a time-waster and won't involve a queue that resembles a cattle pen.
How do you know they will change the current queue area? I cant imagine they will change that much, especially since they can't easily expand it or retheme it. Besides, I think Narnia will feel more like a time-waster, especially after people found out that they have waited for over half an hour to experience a lousy walk-though with watching a trailer and some costumes. Thats what I would call stealing a large chuck of people's valuable time.
Quote from: "Maarten"Closing down Armageddon is such an aweful idea in my opinion. Personally I think its one of the better attractions of the Studios, especially when you consider it just to be a C-ticket at best. I can only agree with everything Davewasbaloo said. I would rather see them improving the current attraction (especially the pre-show ofcourse) then closing it and use this valuable space with a Narnia walk-through. Besides, if Narnia will be just as bad as the Orlando one, I cant imagine that the satisfaction rates are going to get any higher then they are with Armageddon right now.
By the way, you can't tell me that Honey I Schrunk the Audience for example has a higher satisfaction rate then Armageddon. Why is that waste of space still in operation?! Let close that tired show first.
I agree about HISTA. I can't for the life of me figure out why Buzz couldn't have been put in that area instead. It's probably just as awful as Armageddon, although the scenery isn't as bad.
QuoteMy last argument is that Armageddon is a DLRP exclusive; it can only be found in Paris. Its only one of a handful of attractions in the Studios that are unique and gives the park its own signature. Replacing it with another attraction that can be found at Disney's Hollywood Studios, after Rock n' RollerCoaster, Moteurs.. Action!, Tower of Terror, Playhouse Disney, Studio Tram Tour, Art of Disney Animation (even Stitch Live! is a clone from another park) is such a bad idea. This way Walt Disney Studios will never be able to become a park with its own identity.
Besides, the fact that Rasulo claims he never cared for Armageddon or the Studio Tram Tour tells me more about him then the attractions. He was the one that pushed this park and attractions to get build. Besides, why should I care about this man's opinion, he has done more bad then good for the Disney parks worldwide.
Hmmm, well, that's a good point, but I'd rather have him own up to his mistakes than to spend the rest of his career defending his decisions. A large portion of the WDS was obviously born out of necessity and poverty, and now that things have started to turn around, it's time to take a closer inspection at this cardboard box extravaganza that is 2002's WDS. Whether he is partly responsible for them or not, these two attractions are the Superstar Limos of the WDS and Disney should acknowledge that.
And keep in mind that this Narnia thing is supposed to be temporary. Who knows what will replace it; the only way is up.
QuoteHow do you know they will change the current queue area? I cant imagine they will change that much, especially since they can't easily expand it or retheme it. Besides, I think Narnia will feel more like a time-waster, especially after people found out that they have waited for over half an hour to experience a lousy walk-though with watching a trailer and some costumes. Thats what I would call stealing a large chuck of people's valuable time.
There is a queue? I never did Narnia at MGM/DHS (I haven't even seen the film -- not my cup of tea). I had assumed it would be a nice little walk through, somewhat like the permanent and temporary exhibitions at DCA's Animation pavilion. Well, I suppose it won't be that much of an improvement then, but hey, it's only temporary, and at least it doesn't involve the embarrassingly passe Armageddon.
Again, we don't know if they will carbon copy the walkthrough from Disney's Hollywood Studios. My source said it would be "something to play with".
Everyone is saying the film did bad at the box office. Why? The first film excelled all expectations at the box office completely stomping on everything else out at the time. I for one thought it was an excellent film and I know I am not the only one. The second film has only been released in America at the mo where it didn't set the box office alight but thats due to Disney being bloody fools and releasing it on the same day as (I think) Iron Man (can't remember, one of the mass hits so far anyways). Although saying that it has also stayed in the top 5 at the box office longer than its competition, it has staying power and will make its budget back (or already has) just in America. It seems Disney are pushing the film more in Europe with big premieres (UK one Thursday, DLRP Friday) and a huge ad campaign, don't forget in 2010 we also have the third film to look forward too. Its a growing franchise that Disney won't let die down, good.
I think replacing Armageddon with a temp Narnia attraction will be excellent and seeing as the franchise is still something everyone is very aware of it will make great advertising for the resort. Who knows what the attraction will be like, you cannot slag it off before we even know what will happen once inside the attraction, be optimistic peeps, look forward to yet another new addition to a great park.
I think the Armageddon attraction is ok (great first time round) but with the effects it must cost DLRP a fortune to run every day. I can totally see why the management would want to replace it, especially if it isn't getting a great response from the public.
Quote from: "peep"Everyone is saying the film did bad at the box office. Why? The first film excelled all expectations at the box office completely stomping on everything else out at the time. I for one thought it was an excellent film and I know I am not the only one. The second film has only been released in America at the mo where it didn't set the box office alight but thats due to Disney being bloody fools and releasing it on the same day as (I think) Iron Man (can't remember, one of the mass hits so far anyways). Although saying that it has also stayed in the top 5 at the box office longer than its competition, it has staying power and will make its budget back (or already has) just in America. It seems Disney are pushing the film more in Europe with big premieres (UK one Thursday, DLRP Friday) and a huge ad campaign, don't forget in 2010 we also have the third film to look forward too. Its a growing franchise that Disney won't let die down, good.
Sorry but I'm gonna have to jump in on the point you just raised.
'Prince Caspian' has currently made $131 million at the US box office. The film is listed as having a budget of $200 million and this past weekend it made just $3 million. This film has had very mixed reviews (but bordering more on the bad side) and it will struggle to make it to $200 million. Compare that to the previous film which made $290+ million on it's domestic run (take into account that there would also have been a $50+ million worldwide advertising budget) and you have what looks like a failure.
Releasing this film in the summer instead of at Christmas like the previous film was a mistake but maybe this film is just not that good? I have always loved the Lion the Witch and the wardrobe but I absolutely hated the film as it was just too childish. Disney had hoped that Narnia would be their Lord of the rings style franchise but I think they would be better off just buying the theme park rights to LOTR personally.
As much as Armageddon needs serious work I really wouldn't want it replaced with a walk through exhibit.
Quote from: "Yesitsme"'Prince Caspian' has currently made $131 million at the US box office. The film is listed as having a budget of $200 million and this past weekend it made just $3 million. This film has had very mixed reviews (but bordering more on the bad side) and it will struggle to make it to $200 million. Compare that to the previous film which made $300+ million on it's domestic run (take into account that there would also have been a $50+ million worldwide advertising budget) and you have what looks like a failure.
A failure only against the first film, which was really quite a fluke and somehow managed to roll on and on at the box office thanks to the Christmas/Christian themes of the film, its December release date and lack of competition. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is also the most well-known of the books by a long, long way.
I agree, Prince Caspian hasn't really set the US box office on fire. But to be honest I never expected it to. The days when you measure the popularity and longevity of a film by its initial box office are over. Why do you think Pixar are making a Cars 2, and not continuing Nemo or the Incredibles? Not because of box office or reviews. For Prince Caspian, releasing this big-budget film
one week before Indy IV was one of the worst cases of complete commercial suicide I've ever seen. It opened big and then bombed, everyone was too busy talking about nuking a fridge.
It'll do much, much better around the world. And then on DVD, and so on... In the UK particularly they're doing a perfect campaign, it has little to no competition, opening right in time for the June holidays, the biggest premiere ever.
Just the words "Narnia" and "Walt Disney Studios" will get people through the turnstiles.
Quote from: "Baloo"A failure only against the first film, which was really quite a fluke and somehow managed to roll on and on at the box office thanks to the Christmas/Christian themes of the film, its December release date and lack of competition. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is also the most well-known of the books by a long, long way.
Agreed. I'm guessing that it is also a failure against what Disney were projecting the film to make.
Quote from: "Baloo"I agree, Prince Caspian hasn't really set the US box office on fire. But to be honest I never expected it to. The days when you measure the popularity and longevity of a film by its initial box office are over. Why do you think Pixar are making a Cars 2, and not continuing Nemo or the Incredibles? Not because of box office or reviews. For Prince Caspian, releasing this big-budget film one week before Indy IV was one of the worst cases of complete commercial suicide I've ever seen. It opened big and then bombed, everyone was too busy talking about nuking a fridge.
From what I have heard the only reason Pixar are making a Cars 2 is due to the incredible sales of film merchandise which they achieved from the first film. Completely agree with you about the commercial suicide of opening between Iron Man and Indiana.
Quote from: "Baloo"It'll do much, much better around the world. And then on DVD, and so on... In the UK particularly they're doing a perfect campaign, it has little to no competition, opening right in time for the June holidays, the biggest premiere ever.
Just the words "Narnia" and "Walt Disney Studios" will get people through the turnstiles.
I'm still not convinced it will come close to the $744 million the first film made. Of course when I talk about the failure of this film I simply mean against what the Studio would have been hoping for, even if it makes 'only' $500 million worldwide it is still a hell of a lot of money and the film will definitely make a profit. I don't see this franchise having the timeless appeal that it could have had though, and the 3rd film is going to have to be a lot better (it's a better book anyway)
I won't be sorry if this attraction goes,as everyone says the preshow is dull and drawn out;with the castmembers trying to get bored guests excited about the attraction ,it can be embarrassing at times at the lack of interaction !!! In the main show it is difficult to follow the storyline,even adding extra screens did nothing to help;but the effects are quite good,nice way to warm up on a cold Dec day !The fact that Armageddon was never rolled out to other Disney parks as intended just confirms what a low rating it has !Although I have never seen Narnia I would still enjoy the walk through before a better attraction comes to take its place !
Quote from: "Yesitsme"had very mixed reviews (but bordering more on the bad side)
Sorry to point this out, but where the hell did you get that info from? I read a LOT of online reviews and magazine reviews and 80% of the reviews have said its better than the first film. The only reason the film failed in America is because the peeps at Buena Vista need brains, they failed to spot the fact that they released the film between two of the biggest blockbusters this year, I mean, no-one does that, its suicide for the studios (well Uwe-Boll opened his new film on the day Indy opened but then again he has a mass petition to stop him making films so no need to go into that one).
Quote from: "peep"Quote from: "Yesitsme"had very mixed reviews (but bordering more on the bad side)
Sorry to point this out, but where the hell did you get that info from? I read a LOT of online reviews and magazine reviews and 80% of the reviews have said its better than the first film.
I'm guessing you are a Narnia fan?
Well reviews I have read have just said that it is not anything special. Also the first film had a 75% score at rottentomatoes.com, Prince Caspian has a 66% score (which is admitedly higher than I had first stated) but that is still not that great.
I agree completely that this film was released at a bad time of year BUT if this had been a really good film which had sparked peoples interest it would have done better than it has domestically. We can't simply blame it's release date for it's poor performance, I personally think it's more to do with people just not being that bothered about this film, it's not 'must see' like Iron Man or Indiana have been.
I just don't think Disney are very good with franchises, look how they turned Pirates of the Carribean into an overlong and confusing mess? (3rd film) They just seem to think that massively increasing the films budget will automatically increase the quality (the pirates sequels were rumoured to cost $250 - 300 million each!)
That said I'm sure they could come up with a good attraction for Narnia, the source material is still strong enough for that.
Quote from: "Yesitsme"I agree completely that this film was released at a bad time of year BUT if this had been a really good film which had sparked peoples interest it would have done better than it has domestically. We can't simply blame it's release date for it's poor performance, I personally think it's more to do with people just not being that bothered about this film, it's not 'must see' like Iron Man or Indiana have been.
I just don't think Disney are very good with franchises, look how they turned Pirates of the Carribean into an overlong and confusing mess? (3rd film) They just seem to think that massively increasing the films budget will automatically increase the quality (the pirates sequels were rumoured to cost $250 - 300 million each!)
That said I'm sure they could come up with a good attraction for Narnia, the source material is still strong enough for that.
I have an Army of people prepared to drag me in to the cinema against my wishes to see the second Disney Instalement of what you are calling 'weak source material'.... The Chronicles of Narnia collection is one of the crowning Jewels in the British Literature with every child I remember reading if not one of the collection the entire collection.... I HAVE SEEN the musical version of the Lion the Witch and The Wardrobe and Let me outline there is not one weak book in the collection... if there had been do you think Disney or the BBC would have even attempted to convert them from Books to cellophane? Disney have alreadyu outlined theirt not into grabbing the Cash in for this franchise or we would have stated not with the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe but with The Magicaian's Nephew and would be preparing for 7 movies not the undisclosed number of 3, possibly more depending on the movements following Voyages of the Dawn Treader.
This is Disney's version of LtoR and in my opinion a gosh darn better version than Jackson's foolish attempt of teaching Liv Tyler to speak gallic, french english and WELSH as Tolkien had constructed his elvish on, and Disney's success (1 Oscar and BAFTA to its name) It needs to be celebrated!
Quote from: "Captain Pan"This is Disney's version of LtoR and in my opinion a gosh darn better version than Jackson's foolish attempt of teaching Liv Tyler to speak gallic, french english and WELSH as Tolkien had constructed his elvish on, and Disney's success (1 Oscar and BAFTA to its name) It needs to be celebrated!
You almost had me agreeing with you until you lost all credibility (in my eyes and
only on this subject) by making the above statement.
I guess it depends on the circles you mix in, I don't know anyone who wants to see this film at the cinema and I don't know anyone who has read all of the books (or didn't until now)
Quote from: "Yesitsme"Quote from: "Captain Pan"This is Disney's version of LtoR and in my opinion a gosh darn better version than Jackson's foolish attempt of teaching Liv Tyler to speak gallic, french english and WELSH as Tolkien had constructed his elvish on, and Disney's success (1 Oscar and BAFTA to its name) It needs to be celebrated!
You almost had me agreeing with you until you lost all credibility (in my eyes and only on this subject) by making the above statement.
I guess it depends on the circles you mix in, I don't know anyone who wants to see this film at the cinema and I don't know anyone who has read all of the books (or didn't until now)
Well I think you are in the minority, as I know rather a few people as well who want to see the film, I personally cannot wait :D . Can see this being a hit in Europe, rather like ratatouille was last year.
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Discussion is now closed about the movies. This topic is for the Narnia attraction.
Im not sure whether this has been posted before but...
Wha about if WDW moe their current sets from the Narnia walk through attraction and replace them with either sets from Prince Caspian or another movie. Guests hen tour through theese sets where they finally hit the ride (simular to the intro and hallways in the Haunted Manson)
i think i have only been on Armageddon once before....and it wasn't that memorable...i think the main problem with the ride was that you had to watch interviews and parts of the movie before you actually entered the main attraction...this i felt was quite boring :x .
a Narnia attraction would be really good. even if it is just a walkthrough to begin with...(it would be like the passages of Aladdin in Adventureland). until they get the bigger budget for a better Narnia attraction.
I wouldnt really mind if Armageddon was replaced with the proposed walkthrough. Although Armageddon was exciting the first time I went on it, it doesn't in my oppinion have repeatability as its very tideous watching the pre-shows before the main attraction if you have seen them before. If you don't catch the show at the right time you can also end up waiting for it for ages which can be pretty boring. I do love the film special effect montage though and no matter how many times I watch it, I still pull this face when im watching it :shock:
I think a Narnia walkthrough would be ok but would probably rather that they waited until they had a bigger budget and could replace Armageddon with something more spectacular that would be a worth while replacement. I guess its a good idea in the sense that Narnia is aimed at a younger audience as well as the older generations and therefore they would be creating another attraction that would appeal to younger guests which i feel the park is currently lacking.
Armageddon is great! I don't think it should be replaced by a Narnia attraction!
From what I've heard will Armageddon not be closed any time soon! The Narnia attraction is coming, but not just yet.
Yay! Hopefully it'll still be there in December [-o<
when you say "walkthrough", is this gonna be like the god-awful Captain Nemo thingy in DL ?
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"when you say "walkthrough", is this gonna be like the god-awful Captain Nemo thingy in DL ?
Whaaaaa??? I'd say that's one of the most brilliantly themed walkthroughs Disney have ever done. Not everything needs to be in-your-face or thrilling. That's something where you're rewarded for taking a little time out to appreciate all the details. But as for Narnia, no, don't worry, it seems it will be quite interactive.
Personally I don't believe they'd put something as low down the Disney attraction chain as a simple Nautilus-esque walkthrough in that prominent building. Since it's been pushed back (or we thought it was coming sooner), maybe it'll be something they also add to DHS? They can't have that temporary Prince Caspian exhibit forever...
Btw, when the magicforum moderators did Armageddon last week, it again got a BIG round of applause... through about half the room walked out of the pre-show because it was so incredibly dull. The special effects room itself though is still a spectacular piece of Imagineering on its own.
Sorry don't want to get off topic but the Nemo theming is awesome and just as great as
the film and agree with Anthony that not everything needs to be an in your face kind of attraction. The attention to detail is really immense if you take the time to look at it.
I personally enjoyed (many times) the Armaggedon attraction as I loved the film too. Ok the intro is a little slow etc but overall how many opportunities do you get to feel like you start in a film ;-)
I personally don't want to see it go.
Mr_B
Have never been on the Armageddon attraction so I guess I won't miss it :lol: . I like the idea of an attraction based on Narnia but I'm not sure what to think of the walkthrough-idea. I'm nit a big fan of the Studio Tram tour so I don't think I would be too excited it is was something similar.
Quote from: "ColdSun"but I'm not sure what to think of the walkthrough-idea.
Kristof's sources were talking about "Something to play with.", so it probably won't be just a walkthrough.
Just trying to give you a quick update! ;)
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"when you say "walkthrough", is this gonna be like the god-awful Captain Nemo thingy in DL ?
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How dare you Sir?
Quote from: "Remco K."Quote from: "ColdSun"but I'm not sure what to think of the walkthrough-idea.
Kristof's sources were talking about "Something to play with.", so it probably won't be just a walkthrough.
Just trying to give you a quick update! ;)
ah ok, thanks :)...
Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"when you say "walkthrough", is this gonna be like the god-awful Captain Nemo thingy in DL ?
Are you referring to one of the most beautiful themed sections in any disney park perchance...
Was Armageddon a popular attraction?
Not 'was', I think it stil 'is'.
There is nothing wrong with the attraction itself, but the pre-show is really not something Europeans appreciate I guess. We are not that in to 'playing a long with the show' as Americans. Maybe that's the biggest mistake.
Just explain what the attraction is all about with some video's etcetera. Don't force the guests to make faces and screams. Works great in the USA, but not as well here in Europe. But that's my humble opinion ;)
Quote from: "ightenhill"Quote from: "Pete's Dragon"when you say "walkthrough", is this gonna be like the god-awful Captain Nemo thingy in DL ?
Are you referring to one of the most beautiful themed sections in any disney park perchance...
Yeah *stretches and yawns uncontrollably*. Was expecting something like WDW version, and couldnt figure out how that was possible in such a small space ( thought maybe it was all underground, or like a Star Tours ride ). Went down, came up, never looked back. :(
How lon do you think it will take to make the attraction?Would it will be like 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs' ride?
Call me sad, but I just watched the Armageddon attraction video on DLRP Magic, and wow...
I have been on the attraction several times, but watching the video, and listening to the guest reaction, its a shame if this goes, just yet.
Not an earth shattering attraction, but its quality none the less. If the pre show was adjusted, surely this is an attraction that should remain?
Quote from: "penfold12"Call me sad, but I just watched the Armageddon attraction video on DLRP Magic, and wow...
I have been on the attraction several times, but watching the video, and listening to the guest reaction, its a shame if this goes, just yet.
Not an earth shattering attraction, but its quality none the less. If the pre show was adjusted, surely this is an attraction that should remain?
That's what I thought after seeing that video, there is so much to see in the main show itself, but I wouldn't want to have to watch that pre-show over again to see it. The pre-show is what seems to be letting it down the most for a lot of people, perhaps Disney should change it if that's the case, after all, they've already changed the Stitch Live pre-show, and that hasn't even been open for a year yet! :)
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"perhaps Disney should change it if that's the case, after all, they've already changed the Stitch Live pre-show, and that hasn't even been open for a year yet! :)
That would be cool. Still, the pre-show takes a lot of time, so any pre-show of this length will become boring after a while. An alternative would be to keep the guests longer outside the building in the queue, but that's not really fun either.
The pre-show really just needs to have more of a point to it. The "everybody scream, you're on a film set!" thing is incredibly cheap for Disney. You notice quite dramatically how everyone suddenly pays attention when they show the film clips of old special effects.
That's the direction they need to go in. Basically, it should be like the AODA pre-show but tracing the history of special effects rather than animation. The thing which also makes the AODA pre-show such a delight is that there's a load of stuff around the room to look at and play with whilst the intro film is showing.
If Armageddon scrapped the -- I'm sorry -- rather bad live Cast Members, and had only a narrated film, it'd be much more bearable. You wouldn't feel like you're forced to listen or else seem rude.
The outside queue areas are just as bad. It seems like you lose half your life waiting there and it gets to a point where you think it'll just never end... So another idea could be to run it less like a continuous attraction (a la Tower) and more like Stitch Live, with the frequency of shows and a countdown of places available for the next live special effects demonstration clearly posted outside.
Quote from: "Anthony"The pre-show really just needs to have more of a point to it. The "everybody scream, you're on a film set!" thing is incredibly cheap for Disney. You notice quite dramatically how everyone suddenly pays attention when they show the film clips of old special effects.
That's the direction they need to go in. Basically, it should be like the AODA pre-show but tracing the history of special effects rather than animation. The thing which also makes the AODA pre-show such a delight is that there's a load of stuff around the room to look at and play with whilst the intro film is showing.
If Armageddon scrapped the -- I'm sorry -- rather bad live Cast Members, and had only a narrated film, it'd be much more bearable. You wouldn't feel like you're forced to listen or else seem rude.
The outside queue areas are just as bad. It seems like you lose half your life waiting there and it gets to a point where you think it'll just never end... So another idea could be to run it less like a continuous attraction (a la Tower) and more like Stitch Live, with the frequency of shows and a countdown of places available for the next live special effects demonstration clearly posted outside.
Spot-on! I couldn't agree with you more. These kind of ideas are just what the attraction needs. Well done Ant =D> :mrgreen:
Glad you agree Butlin Boy! :)
The entrance of Armageddon is something that has always puzzled me. I mean... where is it?! You just walk into the queue line at one side of the weird Backlot gate, there's no queue time indicator, archway, warning sign, nothing. Just a Cast Member with "please come and ride Armageddon!" eyes.
So yeah, DLRP, if you want to save this attraction, basically make the pre-show more of an interactive exhibition and less of an obligatory screaming contest.
I actually quite like the decorations in the pre-show rooms, but you never really feel like you can look at them with a CM desperately barking at the audience for some kind of reaction. The walkway between the pre-show and main show is also surprisingly atmospheric for a 2002 WDS attraction, and the show itself is a real masterpiece. I will actually be sad to see it go.
The trouble is probably that management and even Imagineers rarely ride the attraction themselves, actually waiting in the line and watching the pre-show, so they can't see how easy it would be to turn good. Instead, they think "Armageddon gets bad reactions? Change it!".
I'd quite like to keep Armageddon and get Narnia as something extra now...
Quote from: "Anthony"The entrance of Armageddon is something that has always puzzled me. I mean... where is it?! You just walk into the queue line at one side of the weird Backlot gate, there's no queue time indicator, archway, warning sign, nothing. Just a Cast Member with "please come and ride Armageddon!" eyes.
Yes every true :p i went on it for the first time ever this year and couldn't find the entrance straight away since there was no CM around, the queue is a little odd and the preshow.. well i mainly stood around looking at props etc and strangly lots of people didn't go into the main show and left during the preshow.
But generally the whole ride is great, i think it would be sad to see it go but on the other hand will dlrp management let it get run down to a point were they cant restore it ?
I have to say Armageddon is the only attraction I haven't done. I just find that it doesn't appeal to me, even though I say every time that I'm going to do it.
Obviously I can't comment on the attraction as a whole but I do think they could make the entrance not only more visible but also more appealing from the outside. I'm not entirely sure how they could do this though!
Also, it's only from reading these posts that I actually know what the attraction is/ contains, and although I wouldn't want any "secrets" of it to be revealed, it may help to make it more clear what it contains, whether it's a ride or walkthrough etc
I can't see this attraction happening now that Disney have pulled out of the Narnia Series.
It wouldn't have been that good anyway.
my friend got scared on it LMAO and was to scared to go back on it he thougth the fire was going to hit him LMAO
Quote from: "Willow"I can't see this attraction happening now that Disney have pulled out of the Narnia Series.
It wouldn't have been that good anyway.
Good point, that would be a tad harsh! :D
I never got to the main section of Armageddon... For me the whole pre show thing, just freaked me out... I've never seen Armageddon and i got a 5 second breifing of the movie by pearents before I went in...
And i'm not into those types of movies, like disaster, this could happen sort of thing...
I'm all into Disney fantacy... but is Armageddon even Disney?? i didn't think it was... if not why would they put it in???
For me i'm all up for a Narnia thing... just it would have to have possibly like, two different sections of interactivity... like Aslans Camp with; Fawns, Centors and other creatures walking round that we can interacte with, and then the White Whitches Camp with; Minitors, WearWolves and Gremlins walking around for an interactive experiance, and that the public and that could interact with them... (I'm not sure how we could get like the Centors in and that, but then with alittle bit of Disney Magic... Anything is possible...) I mean when I went i met the White Witch, and it was an awsome experiance to like meet, her... ok scary as she like threatened to turn me to stone if i was on Aslans side, but a little white lie can't hurt... he he
So depending on how it would turn out, and what it would be like... I guess it could work... Also depends what you prefer... Narnia or Armageddon...
Quote from: "Willow"I can't see this attraction happening now that Disney have pulled out of the Narnia Series.
Disney have pulled out of Narnia?!?! When did this happen???
I never knew... WOW!!
Any reason why... Or have they just gone off it...
Quote from: "Kimbollez"Quote from: "Willow"I can't see this attraction happening now that Disney have pulled out of the Narnia Series.
Disney have pulled out of Narnia?!?! When did this happen???
I never knew... WOW!!
Any reason why... Or have they just gone off it...
Prince Caspian cost a lot of money and didn't do great at the box office so Disney are not doing a 3rd film. I believe Fox have picked it up. There is a topic in Cinemagique.
Quote from: "Willow"Quote from: "Kimbollez"Quote from: "Willow"I can't see this attraction happening now that Disney have pulled out of the Narnia Series.
Disney have pulled out of Narnia?!?! When did this happen???
I never knew... WOW!!
Any reason why... Or have they just gone off it...
Prince Caspian cost a lot of money and didn't do great at the box office so Disney are not doing a 3rd film. I believe Fox have picked it up. There is a topic in Cinemagique.
Yes Fox have picked it up now thank goodness (I personally love the films!)
Hopefully this ridiculous rumour will go away now.
It seems to have done so already... nothing for months now. Unless they strangely go ahead with it for 2010/2011 despite Fox releasing the 3rd film, I think this proposal is dead.
I've un-stickied it from the top of the forum.
Thanks to all the people who told me about Fox taking over Narina Films!! I love them all! just a shame it's no longer Disney :cry: , but at least they still Going!!!
With the ride swap..
Personly I don't see it happening now...
I'm with Anthony... Now FOX has taken over from Diseny with the films, I don't see why they would put in a Narnia attraction, if they are nothing to do with it... Unless they got all the Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe and Prince Caspian stuff left... But i don't see why they would want to put it up with not bein part of it... :?:
Oh well, i guess we'll have to keep an ear and eye out to Armageddon...
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