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QuoteI received yet another insider tip confirming that plans are in the works to bring the Parade of Dreams from Disneyland to the Magic Kingdom in 2010. On a semi-related note we've also heard a rumor discussing the possibility of sending SpectroMagic off to Paris around the same time in exchange for Fantillusion which was originally created for Tokyo Disneyland by some of the same people behind Fantasmic. Evolution wise, it was kind of the next step after SpectroMagic, while telling a similar story to Fantasmic. You can see some pictures of it at Laughing Place.
Why does WDW keep on sending their old stuff to our Parks? But honestly, I'm not sure about this. I haven't heard anything about Spectromagic coming to Paris, but I did hear that Walt Disney World would get Fantillusion. At first I thought it would be complete new floats, but now I'm getting kinda scared. :?
Hopefully they will sort out a replacement before they take our parade.
Never saw SpectroMagic. Is it a good parade?
Quote from: "Riebi"Never seen SpectroMagic. Is it a good parade?
Floats and music are oooold. Only positive is the amount of floats, but since it's moving to DLRP...
Ok I had a look ad youtube. The music seems to be a bit lame. Nothing to support after hearing the fantilusion score once in your life.
And the rest a bit "old-fashioned". How OLD :lol: is the parade? 20 years????? :lol:
Quote from: "Riebi"Ok I had a look ad youtube. The music seems to be a bit lame. Nothing to support after hearing the fantilusion score once in your life.
And the rest a bit "old-fashioned". How OLD :lol: is the parade? 20 years????? :lol:
It's now 16 years old. A run down of all the floats can be found
here (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpectroMagic) at Wikipedia.
OMG NO! This surly cannot happen, the parade looks so awful, it's not even on my things to be interested about in my upcoming wdw trip :? . If WDW get fantillusion, can someone explain to me the point, after all the story tells the same as fantasmic, how very odd this rumour is. Though if it does happen Paris has taken a step back into the Rasulo type decision making :o .
Oh God No! Please don't send that old thing here. I don't mind Fantillusion going to WDW in the next few years, but if they have to get rid of it please give us a brand new, unique and better parade. One that's better than all of the Disney night parades around the world, or is that too ambitious? :wink:
You have to remember as well that Fantillusion is basically Fantasmic on wheels, created for Tokyo because, at that time, they didn't have a lagoon for the full show (something they made sure to get with TDS). Taking it to Magic Kingdom with Fantasmic still at the Studios just down the road would be stupid. Unless what, Fantasmic is getting shipped over to DLRP now too? :roll:
I'll believe this when I see it with my own eyes, like most of the rumours on Screamscape. :P (Though I love it...)
Well, when we speak of Disney sometimes the real look is different than the look on video. I saw Spectro in 2006. The parade is similar in the amount of floats to the Main Street Electrical Parade, with small floats going around in the middle of big floats. But, as Raptor said the numbers may not be the same if it gets to Paris, like it happened with fantillusion. But the details and everything is very bad when compared with fantillusion. I'll be going there in May this year so I will see it more carefully.
I agree that the Magic Kingdom needs a new parade, and that it could be called fantillusion, but it should be with new floats and leave ours in Paris.
If someone would like to see pictures I have some from 2006.
QuoteWell, when we speak of Disney sometimes the real look is different than the look on video.
I've seen it myself several times in real life. It's really bad. Floats are just old. Television screens on the sides show animations of Tinker Bell and there are these puppets on a stick, like Jiminy and Sebastian, that turn around which they call animatronics.
Oh hell NO, stay away from our Fantillusion parade!! :evil:
They should only replace this when getting something newer or better, but not something way older and not even coming close upon quality.... :!:
I think I must be the only one who rather likes Spectromagic! I saw it in 2004 and in 2006. I thought it was fab!
I have seen Fantillusion several times and thought it was great, but not a patch on Main Street Electrical Parade. The stops never worked properly after the first time I saw it and the UV dancers were either absent or not dancing!
Quote from: "ford prefect"The stops never worked properly after the first time I saw it and the UV dancers were either absent or not dancing!
When I saw Spectromagic the first time, it didn't have Chernabog in it, just Diana, but that's not the reason why I dislike that Parade.
Nooo! I really hope they don't do that! But I red somewhere that when the new watershow opened in DCA the MSEP will be shipped to florida.
I really hope so! The Fantillusion is a really cool parade and I hope that they don't replace the parade but just add some floats to it like they did with dreamlights in tokyo.
QuoteUnless what, Fantasmic is getting shipped over to DLRP now too? :roll:
Well, that wouldn't be too bad ;)
...and if return the electrical parade ??? :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
i love it....
it was my first parade i see it in wdw in 1990 and in 1997 in dlp and 2003 in dlp and 2008 in anaheim :D
.... return in topic.... i love fantillusion !!! i hope it remain in dlp :lol:
Well I like Spectromagic also. But I think it should be repleaced. It's old now. It shouldn't repleace anything, especially fantillusion
Funnily enough, on Screamscape's DCA page:
2010 - Spectromagic Parade - Rumor - (12/5/07) Screamscape has heard that the Spectromagic parade from Walt Disney World may move into California Adventure for 2010 as part of the resort's 55th Anniversary celebration.
DLRP should keep Fanti for at least another five years really, getting a new nighttime parade about every 10 years like planned. Maybe Tokyo will have another discarded parade ready for us then? :P
I've never seen a nighttime parade at DLRP - I so hope to see Fantillusion when we're visiting during Christmas Season (is Fantillusion already confirmed for this year's Christmas Season???)...
And well, we shall get a 16 year old parade?! Can't imagine that this could be so good somehow :roll:
Well I've never seen Spectromagic myself either, but just reading the replies has me concerned. :shock:
How is it that we have to get everything from the States. Can we not just once, have some very wacky Imagineers from Europe to come up with our very own state of the art parade. :)
I can understand attractions coming from the states, since they have been tried and tested there for popularity, workability, and feasibility. Fine I agree there to a point. :roll:
But surely we could have a set of our own Imagineers to dream up something new, to fit in with a newer park. Not a newer park getting old gear and so taking a step back in time. :(
Quote from: "javey74"But surely we could have a set of our own Imagineers to dream up something new, to fit in with a newer park. Not a newer park getting old gear and so taking a step back in time. :(
If DLP sticks with its past rota of a new nighttime parade very 10 years (ok so they've only had 2, but that seems how they'd like it), then the 20th Anniversary would be a fine time to introduce a new one.
If they got a good budget like they did for the 15th, Paris could do something amazing. Imagine Katy Harris, Vasile Sirli, etc etc and all the team of OUADP working on a
nighttime parade. :shock:
Nala you summed it up perfect...
Quote from: "Nala_84"And well, we shall get a 16 year old parade?! Can't imagine that this could be so good somehow :roll:
And didn't Euro Disney SCA have to pay the Oriental Land Co for Fantillusion? So where's the deal here, would WDW pay? :?
Quote from: "Baloo"If they got a good budget like they did for the 15th, Paris could do something amazing. Imagine Katy Harris, Vasile Sirli, etc etc and all the team of OUADP working on a nighttime parade.
They sure could with a bit of imagination for sound and visuals alike. It's all about risks at times, but I think this one will surely pay off. :D
:offtopic: By the way Baloo, have you dunked that good old chocolate digestive yet. Go on you deserve it. :wink: :lol:
Do we know if it will be an exact copy from America? Maybe we will get the same parade only a bit mordernised. I've never seen Spectromagic so im only going by other peoples opinions. We'll have to just see what its like when it comes.
:offtopic: Javey you talking about chocolate digestives has made me hungry :lol:
@javey: Not quite, I've just been trying some really sweet Venice-style biscuits/pastries we were given for Easter and now I feel sick. Probably not the best time to be discussing Spectromagic. :sick: Mwahaha. :P
The parade has a nice music theme though (not better than Fanti, but still nice). I was disappointed when they added that Toon Studio loop with the instrumental and then removed it again. I think that's about as much "Spectro" as I'd like to see in DLRP.
Has anyone posted videos yet? These were filmed in HD...
[youtube:3hzksyuq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwxjS_sBuHE[/youtube:3hzksyuq]
[youtube:3hzksyuq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I2RSStXMhM[/youtube:3hzksyuq]
I'll let you make your own mind up on those...
Quote from: "Baloo"@javey: Not quite, I've just been trying some really sweet Venice-style biscuits/pastries we were given for Easter and now I feel sick. Probably not the best time to be discussing Spectromagic. Mwahaha.
:lol: :lol: What a rib tickler that was :lol: :lol: Baloo you get funnier by the post. :lol: =D>
Quote from: "-breeno-"Javey you talking about chocolate digestives has made me hungry
Well Breeno, you might as well have Baloo's share since he's feeling sick.. :P
Anyway back on topic.. :-"
Thanks for posting the Vids Baloo. I must say the start of it just reminds me of those stalls at a fairground, selling those yellow illuminus rings you put around your neck and them battery operated light whizzer contraptions. Another thing that sprung to mind was a dodgem ride on half power, the start floats seem to be all over the place, or may be that's the way it's supposed to be. I don't know. :? It picked up a little bit with the fanfare trumpets, playing remixed snippits from 'It's a small world', 'Heigh Ho', etc :)
Not sure about those performers on the balls, just after the fanfare trumpet float, seemed a bit loopy to me, it looked as though they were out of control, with some of them about to fall off if I didn't know any better. :lol:
Though right after this point I started to enjoy it, the floats made more sense and I have to agree the music is probably the best of all, mixing in and out of familiar tracks.
Still worth a view in my opinion all in all. :wink:
I'm not quite sure about the longevity of the parade over time mind :-k
I can't believe what I'm reading.
SpectroMagic may be a little outdated technology-wise, but it is a fantastic, sweeping parade that harkens back to good old fashioned Disney, not to mention its superb waltz soundtrack. And at least it keeps on moving!
Fantillusion! is a slightly more flashy version of Spectro (very similar floats) with some Japanese weirdness thrown in as well as what feels like sixteen stops.
Spectro coming to Paris? I say, we should be so lucky.
O no! Fantillusion can't leave Disneyland Park yet! Hopefully this rumour won't turn out to be true. I think it's the most stunning parade I've seen in any Disney park I've visited so far. Spectromagic doesn't even come close in my opinion, especially not the soundtrack. Besides that, those clowns freaked the hell out of me! Let's stick to our Fantasmic-on-parade... :wink:
P.S. Hey Pussinboots, nice to have you here!
Quote from: "Maarten"O no! Fantillusion can't leave Disneyland Park yet! Hopefully this rumour won't turn out to be true. I think it's the most stunning parade I've seen in any Disney park I've visited so far. Spectromagic doesn't even come close in my opinion, especially not the soundtrack. Besides that, those clowns freaked the hell out of me! Let's stick to our Fantasmic-on-parade... :wink:
P.S. Hey Pussinboots, nice to have you here!
Hey there hi there.
I have a feeling though that Fantillusion is nowhere as popular as with the people on this forum (Europeans, perhaps?). From what I've heard and read, especially from Americans, it appears that Fantillusion and SpectroMagic are both very unpopular. Spectro because it's old and, according to many, occasionally creepy, Fantillusion because it's sloooooow and dull.
It's the Main Street Electrical Parade (and its 21st century Tokyo incarnation) that's popular with everyone.
So gooood that they find a parade that the europeans like. Near Paris. France. Europe :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think the point is that it sounds a bit silly to take a 16 years old parade from WDW over the big sea. It must be a wonderful parade but now it´s just a bit shabby. So why not create simply something new. I could help! I´ve got some ideas :mrgreen:
Quote from: "pussinboots"I have a feeling though that Fantillusion is nowhere as popular as with the people on this forum (Europeans, perhaps?). From what I've heard and read, especially from Americans, it appears that Fantillusion and SpectroMagic are both very unpopular. Spectro because it's old and, according to many, occasionally creepy, Fantillusion because it's sloooooow and dull.
You've got a point there, although I always had the impression that several survey's of Disneyland Resort Paris showed that Fantillusion was one of the most popular and succesful pieces of entertainment at the Resort. I can't find the survey's anywhere, so I might be wrong, but at least that is my impression. The view of many Americans about Fantillusion seem to be negative, but well, most aspects of Disneyland Resort Paris are critizised by Americans. I bet that if Fantillusion still performed at Tokyo these days, it wouldn't have had such negative reviews as you described. Ofcourse the parade contained far more floats back then, but at least the parade has a reasonable size now. By the way, I'm not the kind of person who's always positive about DLRP, but when it comes to Fantillusion, I think its unfair to label it as dull or bad... No, offense. :wink:
QuoteIt's the Main Street Electrical Parade (and its 21st century Tokyo incarnation) that's popular with everyone.
I guess you're right. Personally I still prefer Fantillusion over the old Main Street Electrical Parade. But thats my opinion.
Quote from: "Maarten"You've got a point there, although I always had the impression that several survey's of Disneyland Resort Paris showed that Fantillusion was one of the most popular and succesful pieces of entertainment at the Resort. I can't find the survey's anywhere, so I might be wrong, but at least that is my impression. The view of many Americans about Fantillusion seem to be negative, but well, most aspects of Disneyland Resort Paris are critizised by Americans. I bet that if Fantillusion still performed at Tokyo these days, it wouldn't have had such negative reviews as you described. Ofcourse the parade contained far more floats back then, but at least the parade has a reasonable size now. By the way, I'm not the kind of person who's always positive about DLRP, but when it comes to Fantillusion, I think its unfair to label it as dull or bad... No, offense. :wink:
Quote from: "Riebi"So gooood that they find a parade that the europeans like. Near Paris. France. Europe :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well I didn't mean to imply that Americans should be the ones to decide what Europeans should like obviously, but it just so happens that I attended the premiere of Fantillusion in DLRP with a set of actual Europeans, and their unanimous response: "
Meh."
But everyone is entitled to their opinions obviously. It's just hard for me to grasp that so many of you have the patience to sit through Fantillusion's many, lengthy stops or scoff at SpectroMagic's score.
Oh and Americans love DLP! Jealousy abounds whenever Big Thunder or Space Mountain comes into view, or when it is realized that DLP's castle has a dragon, etcetera. But Americans know show business, and a choppy, downsized evening parade won't get a thumbs up easily.
I hope they don't replace Fantillusion, its not old or dated I think its still fresh and had many years to go!
By the way, check out the way it was presented in Tokyo:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Guz-9-TA8RU (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Guz-9-TA8RU)
Not to annoy anyone in an "anything DLP can do TDR can do better" sort of way, but check out the sheer number of dancers they had... I suppose that may have something to do with the way it's sometimes received in Paris.
Quote from: "pussinboots"By the way, check out the way it was presented in Tokyo:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Guz-9-TA8RU (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Guz-9-TA8RU)
Not to annoy anyone in an "anything DLP can do TDR can do better" sort of way, but check out the sheer number of dancers they had... I suppose that may have something to do with the way it's sometimes received in Paris.
Sometimes people seem to forget that Tokyo Disneyland has a lot more spending per guest, meaning their budget for attractions and especially entertainment is much much much higher. And maybe also interesting to point out that Euro Disney SCA has something called a debt...
Search eBay for the official Tokyo Disneyland DVD for a better quality video. Most dancers look very very very disturbingly freaky. That's something DLRP did better.
In my opinion this discussion takes now the wrong direction.
I don´t see that the europeans has a worth show bus taste. It´s just another. It´s again a bit like "Let the us teach the europeans what´s entertainment!". And the stupid europeans wouldn´t learn something. :lol:
I remember that´s they give this attitude a try at the times of opening euro disneyland. I remember also an american CM crying in the camera: "Oooooh it´s like USA in Europe and you don´t could see any differences!!!" She was very proud about this but we all know that this was the wrong way. The Euro Disney S.C.A. has learned that Europe isn´t US. Hard thing but it´s simply another cultural background. And that´s a fact to accept.
The parades has passed this process too. The very big imagination parade was a big flop in Disneyland Park and Fantilusion got also another cut after a float was too boring for them cause it had no transformation sequenz. So it seems that the europeans don´t want it just big, they want a special quality. This quality is often misunderstood by other cultural background as tooo small. But I don´t think that the guests at Disneyland Paris would stay over 30 minutes just watching an parade. Parades aren´t that intersting for them. Nice to have and look but nothing to pay more for.
And because we are now in money cases: Yes they have not much money and very small budgets for all entertainment things. But they do their very best as the 15. birthday shows. With quality, delightful, aesthetic, elegant, just the european way of disney.
But what was the topic here? Aaaaah Spectromagic. So we should close this discussions about diffrent show styles and go back to the core. (And I don´t think that americans are thinking becoming a 16 years old parade would be a good step into the future)
Maybe we should simply collect positives and negatives about spectromagic and what we want instead of spectromagic/Fantilusion in the future.
Quote from: "Riebi"In my opinion this discussion takes now the wrong direction.
I don´t see that the europeans has a worth show bus taste. It´s just another. It´s again a bit like "Let the us teach the europeans what´s entertainment!". And the stupid europeans wouldn´t learn something. :lol:
I remember that´s they give this attitude a try at the times of opening euro disneyland. I remember also an american CM crying in the camera: "Oooooh it´s like USA in Europe and you don´t could see any differences!!!" She was very proud about this but we all know that this was the wrong way. The Euro Disney S.C.A. has learned that Europe isn´t US. Hard thing but it´s simply another cultural background. And that´s a fact to accept.
The parades has passed this process too. The very big imagination parade was a big flop in Disneyland Park and Fantilusion got also another cut after a float was too boring for them cause it had no transformation sequenz. So it seems that the europeans don´t want it just big, they want a special quality. This quality is often misunderstood by other cultural background as tooo small. But I don´t think that the guests at Disneyland Paris would stay over 30 minutes just watching an parade. Parades aren´t that intersting for them. Nice to have and look but nothing to pay more for.
And because we are now in money cases: Yes they have not much money and very small budgets for all entertainment things. But they do their very best as the 15. birthday shows. With quality, delightful, aesthetic, elegant, just the european way of disney.
But what was the topic here? Aaaaah Spectromagic. So we should close this discussions about diffrent show styles and go back to the core. (And I don´t think that americans are thinking becoming a 16 years old parade would be a good step into the future)
Maybe we should simply collect positives and negatives about spectromagic and what we want instead of spectromagic/Fantilusion in the future.
I'm sorry, I should have known this would be a touchy subject. I don't really see why this needs to be turned into an issue of nationalism or xenophobia, though; throughout history, nations have had their fortes for the rest of the world to benefit from. We all enjoy Asia's innovations in technology, Sweden's clever solution to furniture prices, Greece gave us that nice concept called democracy... And current day America does show business better than anyone. Big deal. Everyone saw "Titanic".
And when DLRP cuts another float out of Fantillusion, we all know it's to cut costs, not because someone complained that it wasn't kinetic enough for their taste. And yes, Raptor, this is because they have that debt, we know.
DLRP's attendance numbers seem to be good. Let's just hope it continues, and then maybe someday soon they'll be able to present a fuller version of Fantillusion, and then everyone will be happy, and there will be no reason for SpectroMagic or any replacement until the year 2013.
Quote from: "pussinboots"I'm sorry, I should have known this would be a touchy subject. I don't really see why this needs to be turned into an issue of nationalism or xenophobia, though; throughout history, nations have had their fortes for the rest of the world to benefit from.
Sure and I think Euro Disney S.C.A. have respect the diffrent fortes in the past 13 years of magic :D I don´t see any xenophobia or nationalism in this topic. And I don´t see a touchy subject :lol: It´s just a bit respect for diffrent cultures and points of views. And I don´t like this "Americans are...Europeans are....Asians are..." cause I have the strong feeling that most of this things aren´t really true. Maybe because it doesn´t exist the typical European. Its more a melting pot with diffrent languages and diffrent cultures and states but the wonderful thing is: They like each other :D And after years now I think the french like Disney also very much now. That´s the biggest success for DLRP. :D
Quote from: "pussinboots"DLRP's attendance numbers seem to be good. Let's just hope it continues, and then maybe someday soon they'll be able to present a fuller version of Fantillusion, and then everyone will be happy, and there will be no reason for SpectroMagic or any replacement until the year 2013.
Yes! Fill up a parade a bit is always wonderful. Maybe during the big party final. They just give the OUADP some new dancers and costumes. Nice work also for fanti. And after 2013 a remplacement with something totally new would be a nice thing! :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Riebi"Sure and I think Euro Disney S.C.A. have respect the diffrent fortes in the past 13 years of magic :D I don´t see any xenophobia or nationalism in this topic. And I don´t see a touchy subject :lol: It´s just a bit respect for diffrent cultures and points of views. And I don´t like this "Americans are...Europeans are....Asians are..." cause I have the strong feeling that most of this things aren´t really true. Maybe because it doesn´t exist the typical European. Its more a melting pot with diffrent languages and diffrent cultures and states but the wonderful thing is: They like each other :D And after years now I think the french like Disney also very much now. That´s the biggest success for DLRP. :D
Yes! Fill up a parade a bit is always wonderful. Maybe during the big party final. They just give the OUADP some new dancers and costumes. Nice work also for fanti. And after 2013 a remplacement with something totally new would be a nice thing! :mrgreen:
Well, one should never generalize, but I do think Americans grow up in a culture that feels very strongly about getting "bang for your buck". That's why Disney's California Adventure was so publicly panned and the Walt Disney Studios opened without a big scandal, while the latter was probably even worse than the former. This has nothing to do with the individual, but there
are cultural differences.
Anyway, I'm getting in far too deep. I suppose what I want to say is that while DLRP is great and all those European influences on it are great as well, one should not justify every low, cost-cutting decision Euro Disney makes as being a "European thing" or even that it's understandable because of that debt. Remember that we still pay through the nose to experience these parks! A little American-style criticism can be a good thing every once in a while.
Could be that Disneyland or Disney is for Americans more like their baby. I think the europeans do not criticise it much cause it doesn´t really matter for them. They just stay away if they don´t want it :mrgreen: That what happend after opening the WDS :arrow: Small and not as much quality as Disneyland park? Why going there! :lol:
Hope that´s changing now with the new attractions!
But we ´re drifting again away from the topic! :mrgreen:
So let us make a bang for a NEW night parade after 2012 :lol: Not a low budget version :mrgreen:
Maybe we should collect what we want in a nighttime parade with examples from the others. Things we loved and things we hated their.
Although this is way offtopic, I thinks this is rather an interesting discussion that seems to pop up once in a while.
Quote from: "pussinboots"Well, one should never generalize, but I do think Americans grow up in a culture that feels very strongly about getting "bang for your buck". That's why Disney's California Adventure was so publicly panned and the Walt Disney Studios opened without a big scandal, while the latter was probably even worse than the former. This has nothing to do with the individual, but there are cultural differences.
I guess this has everything to do with the fact that Disney is very much represented in American society and the history of American entertainment. In Europe, many Europeans still don't know there are actually 2 Disney parks near Paris... they don't get the Resort concept either, which is why Disneyland Resort Paris is once again called Disneyland Paris in its publicity campaigns. But don't forget that Walt Disney Studios has been panned a lot aswell, especially by themepark fans who read the American discussion boards to. It seems that Americans are more vocal about a subject like a Disney themepark, especially since Disney seems to be America's pride, like Riebi mentioned.
To be honest, if there is one nation in the world that made entertainment to what it is now, its the United States. No one will argue about that. And many people know that if Disney launches something new, its stand for quality (wheter this is the truth or not). Americans have the image that no one can do entertainment better then them, so whatever they do, it must be quality. At least thats the impression I get from other people. On the other hand it makes you think why Walt Disney Studios didn't cause such controverse as Disney's California Adventure indeed.
Unlike the Americans, we don't hear as much negative news about the degrading of Disney (SaveDisney.com, Comcast bid etc)... Don't forget that the American view on Disney isn't the same as other countries might have, simply because Disney isn't such a huge part of our socities.
True, Disney is America's baby; Europeans are probably more like apathetic babydaddies who visit their baby every once in a while and then don't think about it much after that.
And California in particular has the perfect culture to sustain this; DCA was slagged off twice on The Simpsons, and I'd need both hands to count the references to Disney's other products on that show alone. And the LA Times keeps track of every move Disney makes. You can't say that about any French newspaper. California creates pop culture and takes it very seriously.
But, in an attempt to climb back on topic, I really hope the upcoming summer season will reflect the resort's recent success at least a little, and that such luxuries as dancers or including more than 10 floats in a parade will finally become feasible again. Perhaps Fantillusion won't seem so monotonous then. And that's being very modest. Although I highly doubt it.
Quote from: "pussinboots"True, Disney is America's baby; Europeans are probably more like apathetic babydaddies who visit their baby every once in a while and then don't think about it much after that.
Noooo they have their own babies :wink:
:lol:
But the integration of Disney in the europe culture is a disney made problem. at least in germany like I mentioned in this topic here:
//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3579
If you don´t bang the drum nobody will hear you. Mean: The mother seems here to be a bit apathetic :lol:
For the floats I can support this totally. It shouldn´t be the point how many floats a parade has. OUAD Parade has 8 floats and is wonderful and totally close. I won´t add there again 8 new.
Maybe they should have a look on it and give night parades more little features like the dancers but also like more little vehicles. I remember the little bugs of MSEP that were great fun for the guests.
Quote from: "pussinboots"But Americans know show business, and a choppy, downsized evening parade won't get a thumbs up easily.
Well.. if you compare the WDW day-parade and evening-parade with the ones we have, I doubt that they are that much harder to satisfy.. I think the european audience just looks for something different in a spectacle or a parade then the Americans do.
I really love Fantillusion! The stops are great with all the special effects and the music is just awesome.
Quote from: "Riebi"Noooo they have their own babies :wink:
:lol:
But the integration of Disney in the europe culture is a disney made problem. at least in germany like I mentioned in this topic here:
//http://www.photosmagiques.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3579
If you don´t bang the drum nobody will hear you. Mean: The mother seems here to be a bit apathetic :lol:
For the floats I can support this totally. It shouldn´t be the point how many floats a parade has. OUAD Parade has 8 floats and is wonderful and totally close. I won´t add there again 8 new.
Maybe they should have a look on it and give night parades more little features like the dancers but also like more little vehicles. I remember the little bugs of MSEP that were great fun for the guests.
It seems to me the original Fantillusion (in TDL) had a lot more of those "bugs" as well; I'm sure those 16(!) floats they eliminated in Paris weren't all full-sized. One of them was a separate float that displayed the parade's name. SpectroMagic has them too, most famously the spinning balls with the clown figures that seem to creep everyone out.
Their absence is a very big part of the reason why DLRP's Fantillusion comes off as boring to some, that's for sure.
Quote from: "Japper"Well.. if you compare the WDW day-parade and evening-parade with the ones we have, I doubt that they are that much harder to satisfy.. I think the european audience just looks for something different in a spectacle or a parade then the Americans do.
I really love Fantillusion! The stops are great with all the special effects and the music is just awesome.
Point taken. I suppose I should have said Californians.
I've seen Spectromagic several times , and really liked it at the time;but when I look back at the videos of that and compare it with Fantillusion,it looks really dated ! The floats in Fantillusion are far brighter and more detailed,seems like there is more going on.But I don't like the stops in Fantillusion,they really seem to break up the flow of it and not much really goes on ,your just waiting for it to start again.I suppose it is a clever way of getting more showtime without more floats or dancers etc.Of course nothing compares to MSEP !!!
Quote from: "Timbo"I've seen Spectromagic several times , and really liked it at the time;but when I look back at the videos of that and compare it with Fantillusion,it looks really dated ! The floats in Fantillusion are far brighter and more detailed,seems like there is more going on.But I don't like the stops in Fantillusion,they really seem to break up the flow of it and not much really goes on ,your just waiting for it to start again.I suppose it is a clever way of getting more showtime without more floats or dancers etc.Of course nothing compares to MSEP !!!
My thoughts exactly. The stops are supposed to be moments of performance, but when you eliminate all the dancers, it leaves nothing but an inflatable Ursula or a very pressured Mickey Mouse to entertain the crowds. They should either add dancers or cut the stops completely and just keep moving...
Quote from: "Timbo"But I don't like the stops in Fantillusion,they really seem to break up the flow of it and not much really goes on ,your just waiting for it to start again.I suppose it is a clever way of getting more showtime without more floats or dancers etc.
I quite enjoy the stops in Fantillusion, particularly the Princesses with their rising turntables, but the lack of dancers between the floats has always been a bit disappointing. It seems only about 20% or less of the daytime cast return for the night parade.
One thing I truly hate are those dancers with the flourescent costumes that have to cover them up as the parade is moving. It's not bad enough that the Villains pass by with nothing inbetween - we also have useless dancers dressed in black bin bags pushing their UV lights, which everyone stares at rather than the floats. It's a very nice effect during the parade stops, but seems a bit silly to waste valuable cast like that when they're clearly so pushed for budget already. Same goes for the Disney VIP characters who hide inside of the Garden floats and only pop out at the parade stops. Only 5% of the audience sees them.
It's worth remembering in all this that Paris probably also has the highest labour costs of any of the resorts, right?
I like the show stops too. The only one I didn´t like as much as the others is the ursulaaaa show stop.
But the addition of some more dancers and little units would be great!
About the labour costs I read the same. The CMs have a big labour union encouragement like everywhere in france.
Quote from: "Baloo"Quote from: "Timbo"But I don't like the stops in Fantillusion,they really seem to break up the flow of it and not much really goes on...
One thing I truly hate are those dancers with the flourescent costumes that have to cover them up as the parade is moving. It's not bad enough that the Villains pass by with nothing inbetween - we also have useless dancers dressed in black bin bags pushing their UV lights, which everyone stares at rather than the floats.
I agree, the villain dancers are very distracting and seemingly pointless when they are cloaked. The costumes look very affective in UV light, i think they should permanently be lit and have a 'walk' routine before the stops, but realistically, i dont think its possible. The UV 'push units' have to be 'pushed' by someone. Yes it would be lovely to have UV lights installed on the floats or around the paths for the show stops but thats simply not possible. Likewise, when there are no stops and they villain dancers do their 'walk' routine uncloaked, they are completely invisible in the night...what a waste!
I highly doubt that Fantillusion will be replaced with an older parade, especially something as ugly and outdated as SpectroMagic. A new night time parade will most probably be invented for the parks 20th Anniversary. My opinion is that Fantillusion is perfect for Paris, its very pretty and short. The score is amazing and theres plenty to see. I have to agree with a few people that Usula MUST die!
On a lighter note, new dance unit concepts are being thought up all the time. But its just a very difficult process to implement them into the parades. Heres how it works...the dance Captains in Paris think up a new unit....they put this idea to the Managers in California or Florida...these managers have to approve the ideas before rehearsals start. Its a very laborious process and expensive to DLRP.
More dancers are proposed for when Fantillusion starts up again in the Summer, so thats good news. I even hear new floats might be added in the future. Snow Whites Queen and Aurora are very probable.
Quote from: "zanderstarz"On a lighter note, new dance unit concepts are being thought up all the time. But its just a very difficult process to implement them into the parades. Heres how it works...the dance Captains in Paris think up a new unit....they put this idea to the Managers in California or Florida...these managers have to approve the ideas before rehearsals start. Its a very laborious process and expensive to DLRP.
Really. Quality control? While I appreciate the strain this puts on DLRP, I think it's a very good thing; DLRP hasn't always had the best, most Disney-like ideas (the Pink Witches! "Horny Horny Horny" on Main Street!). Heavens knows what might have been if they didn't have to report to the managers in CA and FL. Sorry if that offends anyone; I really only mean to criticize the people in charge of said examples.
QuoteMore dancers are proposed for when Fantillusion starts up again in the Summer, so thats good news. I even hear new floats might be added in the future. Snow Whites Queen and Aurora are very probable.
From your lips to ED's ears! Although about those new floats -- what exactly are we talking about here? Does TDR still have the 16 floats DLRP didn't buy? Or would DLRP actually build new floats from scratch? As far as I know, they've never built a complete float for a nighttime parade; the ones that were added to the Main Street Electrical Parade in 1998 were imports from TDL as well, I believe. But I might be mistaken.
I think that fantillusion should stay as spectromagic is good but it's a little bit boring after a while, i want the funny characters who blow the trumpets whose faces change colours to come to fantilliusion though!
Also if they havent demolised the train part from the Main Street Electrical Parade, can't they adapt that into fantillusion so like the funny characters drive it ?
what do you think of my idea?
Edit: also what about firworks n nighttime parade at same time? :D
... am i the only one who loves Spectromagic music? it's such a beautiful music piece!
maybe they could do a Spectromagic v.2.0 a completely updated-totally new version of the parade, and maybe dlrp would have the honour to be the first park in having it...
maybe my ideas are too crazy considering the budget problem :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Baloo"Funnily enough, on Screamscape's DCA page:
2010 - Spectromagic Parade - Rumor - (12/5/07) Screamscape has heard that the Spectromagic parade from Walt Disney World may move into California Adventure for 2010 as part of the resort's 55th Anniversary celebration.
Could this then mean a return of Main street electrical parade at Disneyland?
Quote from: "Tinkerbelle"... am i the only one who loves Spectromagic music? it's such a beautiful music piece!
maybe they could do a Spectromagic v.2.0 a completely updated-totally new version of the parade, and maybe dlrp would have the honour to be the first park in having it...
maybe my ideas are too crazy considering the budget problem :mrgreen:
Nope, you've found the world's only other fan: moi. It's too bad though, judging by the majority of reactions the parade has been written off for good. I can't wait for the hugely critical Southern California fan base to sink their teeth into this once it makes its way to DCA!
Quote from: "Tinkerbelle"... am i the only one who loves Spectromagic music? it's such a beautiful music piece!
Nope, you're not the only one! I just love it and think it to be way better then Fantillusion's score. The parade itself is indeed a bit old - specially if you've seen the floats during daytime 8) Well, but I still like it more than Fantillusion ... so it seems that SpectroMagic still has some fans out there ;)
Cheers,
Flounder
I do like the music !!! Just the parade seems a bit dated !!
Love the trumpeters at the beginning also,even if they are slightly scarey !!!
I love Spectromagic ,the music and concept especially the colour to white transformation is fantastic.It just need upgrading with brigter lights .
Fantillusion is great but its not the best Ive seen(of course nothing compares to MSEP)and dont forget depending on were you are standing the stops can be really boring and by bad weather there are no stops anyway.
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"Oh God No! Please don't send that old thing here. I don't mind Fantillusion going to WDW in the next few years, but if they have to get rid of it please give us a brand new, unique and better parade. One that's better than all of the Disney night parades around the world, or is that too ambitious? :wink:
I think that they will probably update this parade before they'l show it in paris. Annyway, I'd still like to see this parade, so, bring it on [-o<