Rumours have been circulating for a while now about an incident on board one of Frontierland's river boats, and now it seems some things can finally be confirmed...
It is believed that, this morning, a fire began on the Molly Brown as it was approaching the geysers area of the Rivers of the Far West. The boat was immediately evacuated using the Keelboats of the River Rogue Keelboats, with the guests taken to Silver Spur Steakhouse to be looked after. As a precautionary measure, the whole of Frontierland was also evacuated - attractions, boutiques, restaurants, everything.
The resort's fire service reportedly put the fire out immediately, arriving at the incident through Frontierland itself but also from behind the berm which seperates Frontierland from Walt Disney Studios Park. It is rumoured, however, that the lower level of the ship has been damaged.
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It's great that the Cast Members did such an excellent job to evacuate the boat and the land, and the fire crews sorted out the problem so fast. It's also good that it happened to the rather grubby Molly Brown and not the recently refurbished Mark Twain, if that's any consolation.
This is still the second fire in a week though, after the Eurostar fire the other day... :( Luckily the resort staff are as excellent as they are and both fires have seemed very minimal.
Yes i read it on other forums that there was something happening there. Something about an electronic failure or so? Anyway, not so good news so it seems. At least the CM's were doing their work so well. Is there any news about injuries? I hope there will be none.
Jorien :D
There were absolutely no injuries. :D I've read that some people had to be treated as a precaution since they may have breathed in some smoke, but apart from that it's all good news on that front really. :wink:
Well, there's also good news:
The River Keelboats still work :D
Quote from: "raptor1982"Well, there's also good news:
The River Keelboats still work :D
True! It's also very interesting that they still have people who can use them, and that they could be put into action so quickly even though they haven't been used for years...
I wish they'd sort them out and reopen them actually. I know capacity is a problem, but if they put a bit of money in and got some extra boats or ones with a larger capacity then I think it'd do Frontierland so much good.
Sorry that this post went a bit off topic there. :wink:
Well, I'd say: get the fastpass machines from the Studios Tram Tour, put them at the River Keelboats and capacity problem is solved..... :idea:
According to a forum member on DLRP Magazine, of the 250 people evacuated from the Molly Brown, only one was sent to hostipal (a pregnant English woman - sent in just for a check over and observation). Five Cast Members were also sent to First Aid, but everyone else is apparently OK - just feeling the effects smoke inhilation and shock at the events.
Some of the children were (rather understandably) crying, but they sent characters into the Steakhouse to take their mind of things.
I'm getting worried about the Molly Brown now - it's sounding worse than I thought. It could just be that there wasn't *that* much of a fire at all and there was just lots of smoke from the engines, but it's still very worrying... I'd hate to have to be evacuated from the boat, even if I knew it wasn't really floating at all and the Keelboats were there on hand. It's still a lot to go through on what's meant to be a holiday to forget about your worries. :(
The sight must have been wonderful. A fleet of keelboats to the rescue!!
Quote from: "raptor1982"The sight must have been wonderful. A fleet of keelboats to the rescue!!
Hahaha :D :roll: :roll: People could have died, Raptor...! But I see your point - it must have been wonderful to see them working again after all this time, though probably not so much for the people onboard the Molly Brown! :? :wink:
Well, no one died... Besides, I was trying to explain how cool it must have been to see a fleet of ordinary boats coming your way to rescue you.....
Yeah it is a very unique thing to happen to you in DLRP. It's a shame they don't do on-ride photos on Molly Brown or the Keelboats, so those people could get a souvenir of their eventful day! Or maybe some of them collected up a few of the Molly Brown's ashes before jumping into the keelboats? :wink:
As soon as anyone finds more info or photos of the events, post em here! I hate to once again sound quite mean, but after the quiet patch recently it's good to have something so exciting to talk about!
I wonder how these people will get compensated. :?:
Annual Passes, probably... They're unlikely to refund people's whole holidays or just their day tickets, so perhaps give them all some shopping vouchers, a Fantasia AP and a free meal in a nice restaurant? Or am I being too generous for a theme park? :D
LOL!!! Sorry, i don't have anything to say. But this whole conversation just made me laugh. :lol: :wink:
Jorien :D
Quotethe recently refurbished Mark Twain
I just read your first post again, Baloo. Is the Mark Twain back operating? Last time I checked, it was still packed in scaffolding, but I honestly can't remember when that was... :?
It would be good, so the Mark Twain can take over Molly Brown's job as long it's needed.
Now most of the fans know, the Keelboats are still able to operate, a petition can be started to re-open this attraction! It worked to keep Dapper Dan open ;-)
And not only the fans have seen these boats now, but it appeared in French national press: le Parisien! which paper also helped the rescue of Dapper Dan's ;-)
DLRP Magazine has more pictures on their forum!
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There was hardly any damage at all, then. At least none that you can see from a distance - on the zoomed in photos below it does look quite bad. It definately hasn't completely burnt out though, lol. The engine area will probably need a lot of work and the boat will need to be tested A LOT before it's used again. Hopefully whilst they're working on the engine they'll give the boat a full refurb. It *really* needs it...
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ooooooh, these pictures are good news! Doesn't look that bad at all... A fresh coat of paint probably... :wink:
The news is not very funny :cry:
It's not funny at all, but nothing horrible happened to the guests... So a fresh coat of paint and a good check up will take Molly Brown back on track. It would have been worse when fire broke out inside a show building like pinnochio or so.
You can see another photo of the boat here:
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The damage to the cab and the top of the boat there actually looks quite bad. Apparently it has been covered in white tarp now, so you can't see anything. I wonder if they'll move it into the dry dock soon, or can't it be moved at all? As Raptor said earlier though, the Mark Twain might not have finished its refurb yet, so there could be nowhere to move it to...
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Thanks to *winnie* on DLRP Magazine Forum for the photos!
It doesn't look that bad, but there is some definate damage to the back of the driver's cab there. The Molly Brown looks in an awful state anyway, this couldn't have come at a better time if you ask me!
ONCLE PICSOU on the same forum also says Mark Twain needs another 3 weeks of refurbishment before the Molly Brown gets its turn for a refurbishment that will last between 6 months and a year! Obviously this isn't confirmed, but it sounds sensible enough. Now that I think about it, it's quite likely the Molly Brown would have been refurbished next anyway, so we could have done without the fire! :evil:
This photos above show what I saw when I was there on the 17th. As I rode with the Disneyland Railroad I saw that the Molly Brown was damaged at the top. The cabin was black from smoke and the smaller tube behind it was very charred. That's bad, I'm always depressed when something like this happens in DLP. The CM at the Riverboat Landing told me that the Riverboats will not work this week.
The Raccoon keelboat is now moored at the Riverboat Landing, the reason for this is unsure...
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It's unlikely it's moored there so they can take it out to the Molly Brown, so I suppose they either left it there to add a bit of interest to the area and stop it from looking empty *or* it's being used to help refurbish the Boot Hill path...
Anyone know more?
It's a fan pleaser!! I'm pretty sure of it. :lol:
Quote from: "raptor1982"It's a fan pleaser!! I'm pretty sure of it. :lol:
They're trying, but not quite hard enough! If they really wanted to please us then the Raccoon would be parked over in the keelboats dock with people queueing up to ride it! But this is a start at least...
I wonder, when the Riverboats are back, could the keelboats make a return? They've certainly prooved themselves in the last month, first as rescue boats, then as a bridge and now as an attractive prop... With all the other refurbs around the park to get it back to being truly breathtaking, it would be nice if they could be a part of it.
The keelboats can't cost that much either, and I think if they had more than 2 in operation then they'd work quite well. They can't take very long to unload/load and could have a good throughput.
They could be a very cool and unique attraction during Halloween actually...
It looks good there. It really is a nice prop and now the area really doesn't look so empty anymore. And for all the people who do not know that Molly Brown was on fire, they will now not be so confused why the Riverboats aren't working. But I would more like to see that the Keelboats would operate again. Hopefully they will return. I will make a wish to the wishing star. :wink: :sorcerer:
Quote from: "Disneyana"I will make a wish to the wishing star. :wink: :sorcerer:
Lets do it together, maybe it helps ;)
:sorcerer:
Great news from Joel's latest photo report - the Mark Twain is now in the Riverboat Landing dock!! Unfortunately the Molly Brown is still in the same place, but it will surely soon be moved into the maintenance dock for repairs to properly begin.
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I'm going to be very optimistic and bet all the Pumpkinmen's orange paint on the riverboats being open for Halloween. I can't imagine Halloween Festival without the Phantom Cruise Lines now, and I'm sure the Pumpkinmen can be persuasive enough for the management to work as hard as possible to get them open. :)
The Mark Twain looks really good as well. :D
Good news folks! Molly Brown's rehab is scheduled to be finished by April 27th, 2007!
Wow, great to hear! Do you think she will be on the river in September? :)
yay! cant wait to see the good old molly back where she belongs!
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I think this photo looks amazing... just like in New Orleans area... with a haunted old ship docked somewhere in river delta... do you also feel such atmosphere when looking at this photo :>
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I think this photo looks amazing... just like in New Orleans area... with a haunted old ship docked somewhere in river delta... do you also feel such atmosphere when looking at this photo :>
I think its great to have the molly brown refurbished the river would not have been the same with out her
i compleatly agree with you Matts and get the same kind of atmoshphire
Well look at her NOW!! Doesn't she look wonderful?? :D
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very nice :ears:
QuoteDo you think she will be on the river in September?
Sorry for the late answer, yes she will! Mark Twain will go in rehab when she returns April 27th.
Molly Brown sailed around the Rivers of the far west again this morning on a test run without passengers.
She really does look amazing - I'll post some pics later.
It´s soo good to hear that Molly is again on the road/river.
I'm glad she is back after such a long time. She really deserves the name Unsinkable Molly now. :P
... And Mark Twain can get some rest now and his well deserved refurb.
Are there some dates for the refurb? Start and stop?
The summer season last year was a bit poor with just one ship.
Sometimes the Mark Twain had also problems and the river boat landing was closed.
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It's taken time, but nce to see her back. They're really "pushing the boat out" with these anniversary celebrations :wink:
I had expected her to be left to be honest :roll:
is molly back in service now? and mark twain in refurb yet?
any news on the schedules for these. Im sure i saw in another thread that someone said Mark Twain was still operating in the last few days - does that mean both boats are working currently?
Hey everyone,
I just came back from a fantastic 5day trip this night.
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Just wanted to let you know, that yesterday, Molly was sailing around BTM...
without guest - but she looks wonderful!
Wow Molly looks amazing in that picture hopefully she'll be taking guests soon!!
I have just had confirmation from Raptor1982 that the Molly Brown is back proudly sailing the rivers of the far west. It's great to see that nothing stops eurodisney sca these days :) .
what about mark? is he taking a rest now? or are they both working currently? :D
Yes he as I am aware of thinking is currently in the dry dock and would be awaiting refurbishment. This is what I have been lead to believe, have not seem them for myself though yet.
She looks sooo good! The refurb crew did a wonderful job!!
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Quote from: "anthony2k6"what about mark? is he taking a rest now? or are they both working currently? :D
On Wednesday Mark Twain rode around BTM and since Thursday Molly Brown did.
Oh wow! She looks beautiful! :D Looks busy as well.
It's so good to see her back, she looks amazing, well done dlrp :)
Yes it´s so wonderful to see her back on the rivers. I had abandon hope for a while!
Molly was out of service monday and tuesday this week with the poor old tired Mark Twain covering again - anyone know why Molly was out of action? :(
Every time I've been its only been Mark in use - I've got loads of pics of that boat and none of Molly!! :(
Maybe there was not enough capacity to run both boats. You should have checked with a CM. :idea:
Quote from: "raptor1982"She looks sooo good! The refurb crew did a wonderful job!!
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They sure did
It has now been just over one year since Molly Brown finally returned to the Rivers of the Far West after that long refurbishment. So, how have they been looking after her over the past 13 months?
I'll let you decide...
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without the risk of sounding childish - yuk. Do maintenance or the managers not see these sort of things, a quick dose of weed killer would sort it out within hours and last for months ( i sound like an advert for weedol!!!) I will definately pay attention to this in September when I go.
They would need to be careful with weed killer due to the wildlife on the lake.
Quote from: "Anthony"It has now been just over one year since Molly Brown finally returned to the Rivers of the Far West after that long refurbishment. So, how have they been looking after her over the past 13 months?
I'll let you decide...
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When was that picture taken Anthony? I'm asking because when i seen the Molly Brown on the 16th July it didn't seem as bad than it is in that pic, look:
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So either the Molly Brown had a quick refurb or i need to do some research on the the speed of weed growth :P
Quote from: "-breeno-"When was that picture taken Anthony? I'm asking because when i seen the Molly Brown on the 16th July it didn't seem as bad than it is in that pic, look:
The weeds are on the other side, facing away from the riverboat landing. You can see some starting to grow just on the right of the paddle on that side too, though... I guess they're somewhat hard to reach, but surely all they need is a longer version of the thing they pick up rubbish with, and they can do it from on-board?
Imagine if Disneyland California fans saw weeds on their Mark Twain... the world would end. :shock:
Scaffolding has appeared around the Molly Brown over the last few days...
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Quote from: "Festival Disney"Scaffolding has appeared around the Molly Brown over the last few days...
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lookslike she could be getting a touch up of paint or soemthing ready for the main summer season?
Alas, she is no longer Queen of the Rivers :?
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I like the new red color, but I don't know why they changed "Queen of the River" to "Western River Line". I'm sure most people will not recognize that. At least the ship is still called Molly Brown.
I wonder why they changed it? Did they pull this "Western River Line" name out of thin air or was it already a part of the Frontierland backstory? And somehow "line" singular feels odd. It should be "lines," no?
I guess I'll weigh in too...
I'm not sure what to make of either change, to be honest. I feel the colors are a little too close to what you see elsewhere on faux paddle steamers; they're also rather masculine for a boat called Molly Brown... perhaps that's why they changed the title.
"Western River Line" is new, the fictional Riverboat operator is otherwise identified as "Thunder Mesa River Packet & Steam Navigation Co." It's long, but I think with the right graphic treatment it could have looked good, too. I guess they wanted both the colors and the nomenclature to communicate more clearly.
Anyway, it took me a while to figure out, but the new title might just be a nod to the old "Western River Expedition" (where the name Thunder Mesa comes from, after all), which might explain why they settled for such a rather obvious name.
Thanks for weighing in.
I'm not sure the new subtitle does any relevant communicating, although that may have been their objective of course. To the average guest it doesn't matter whether it says "Queen of the River" or "cup of tea" in Chinese. This is not an important sign reading "EXIT ONLY" or "YOU MUST BE THIS TALL," no, this is the sort of typography where nothing needs to be communicated except a theme. Which is why Imagineering usually jumps at the chance to include all kinds of obscure and esoteric references. How many guests read, let alone "get" the reference to Dapper Dan? Or half the framed art in Big Thunder Mountain's queue?
I don't really mind the new colors, though. It's a bit warmer with the maroon and the yellow. Not as if it's bright turquoise.
Why did they use the word "line", though? It sounds like something from a semantic field of trains. I'm not complaing; just curious.
Quote from: "Meph"Why did they use the word "line", though? It sounds like something from a semantic field of trains. I'm not complaing; just curious.
The reason "line" is used is that is what shipping companies were called in America in the 19th Century. In fact we still talk of cruise lines now - P&O, Cunard, DCL (Disney Cruise Line), Royal Caribbean, NCL (the L stands for line) etc. The companies were called Lines and the ships, Liners.
On to the decor, I am glad she has been refurbed, but I do not like the paint job. It looks cheap and not as authentic of real side wheelers, also it looses the Gold leaf effect on the wheel. It was probably chosen as it needs less tlc than white, but I do not like it as it looks fake. I am obsessive about this stuff though as I was born and grew up in the "West".
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"The reason "line" is used is that is what shipping companies were called in America in the 19th Century. In fact we still talk of cruise lines now - P&O, Cunard, DCL (Disney Cruise Line), Royal Caribbean, NCL (the L stands for line) etc. The companies were called Lines and the ships, Liners.
Oh, of course. Thanks. :)
DLRPToday tweeted a picture from onboard the Molly Brown today:
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Mixed feelings about the changes aside, I thought the re-inauguration ceremony was a really nice touch! Judging from the first videos that are trickling in, it was also handled really well... Not too over-the-top, but a fun little event for guests present that day.
And hey, the Ambassadors even kept their speech in theme with the story and setting of Thunder Mesa -- extra bonus points from me!
Lovely ceremony indeed. Nice weather, Mickey and Minnie in appropriate attire, musicians on board; it could have been Anaheim. And I really don't mind the new color scheme.
It should be wonderful to be on a riverboat at Disneyland Paris without having to "look past" a serious amount of decay.
Speaking of which, would they have used more weather and time-resistant materials this time around? Fiberglass rather than wood, LED popcorn lights, that sort of thing? Ah well, in any case, this should hold up for a few years.
A picture of the interior (and the embassador's :P)
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Here's my video of the inauguration/re-dedication:
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What a fantastic ceremony. Goosebumps seeing Molly Brown round the corner at the back of the Rivers, and again when the music kicked in, and again when they cut the ribbon and she sounded her whistle. So much fun.
Régis told myself and Kristof later that they basically had free reign with this ceremony, he felt like a child again saying "Can we have Buffalo Bill? Yes we can have Buffalo Bill!" and they chose their costumes themselves from the thousands in the DLP wardrobe. They all wanted to do something to really bring the story of the land to life. Major credit to those guys!
I'll post a second video soon of the actual cruise, including (hopefully, if my camera picked it up) some of the all-new English narration for Molly Brown. It's really, really good.
Thanks for sharing Ant and Kristof. This is a really lovely little ceremony. Love it. And it is great to see the Molly Brown back on the River of the Far West at Disneyland Paris!
I should mention actually: Molly Brown went straight back into the dock after we finished our ride! They expect it will be a few more weeks yet until she's completely finished and ready to sail daily (we noticed a few places around the decks where painting wasn't quite finished, etc).
It was a shock when Mark Twain then pulled back in for the people waiting in line, faded and peeling paint all over. Really needs to get the same treatment soon.
Such wonderful news, really. They really did a superb job on the ceremony, going for thematically accurate costumes rather than the standard cowboy shtick, and I love the new look of the Molly Brown, historically accurate or not.
Speaking of which, I just want to make a little side note there. Alain Littaye talks on his blog of how riverboats were historically painted all-white. However, the lead paints available until synthetic paints came into existence were actually never white-white. They would have been light beige at the very most. So all that crisp white clapboard we associate today with New England and the Victorian era in America is actually rewritten and repainted history. Therefore, the new sandy tones of the Molly Brown are probably just as historically inaccurate as the bright white of the Mark Twain.
Not that it matters, really. Disney isn't about history so much as our (and America's, and Walt's) perceptions of it, and this color scheme certainly fits into a lot of people's perceptions of the American West.
Here's the second video as promised, with clips from on-board:
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You can hear the new English narration at 3:55 and 4:43 minutes in. I'm absolutely in love with it...
Oooh: And at 5:45, Jeff Archambault, Vice President Communications, does the obligatory "duck under your camera" that everyone does at Disneyland, to me. I was honoured!! :o
More details about that and the whole restoration (including the official Imagineering line on changing the story, adding "Western River Line") plus 57 photos from the inaugural voyage here: Refurb Roundup Day: New colours, new spiels, new story on-board the Molly Brown Riverboat (//http://www.dlrptoday.com/2011/03/29/refurb-roundup-day-new-colours-new-spiels-new-story-on-board-the-molly-brown-riverboat/)
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Enjoy!
Thanks a lot for all the pictures and the fantastic report.
The new ship is really beautiful, although it isn't finished yet. That's something DLRP can be proud of.
This opening ceremony is amazing to watch. I love the music, the costumes and the whole show its self, to open up what not many normal guests would consider an attraction compared to us fans. Its just amazing. With all this going on, plus the meeting Anthony and Kristof went too and the news they came back with, i think DLP are really realising now that they need to go back to there heyday where cartoons and new attractions werent always the pull to guest's, it was the experience that came with visting the resort. And thats what really keeps bringing us back ;) even if its slipped over the years. Ceremonys like this prove there going back to it.
Amen Owen!
Again, great work and fun to read and watch.
Seems that DLP har done a great effort to get things sorted with refurbishments and ceremonies.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Amen Owen!
I was actually going to quote "like davewasbaloo" always talks about. Because your stories of past experiences are some of the best reads on this forum :)
Back on topic - I also love the narrations, really make you think your in the wild west !
One thing id love to know is if the french narration actually sounds western to them in there language ? :lol:
Quote from: "Owain"I love the music, the costumes and the whole show its self, to open up what not many normal guests would consider an attraction compared to us fans.
It's incredible how many people consider only rides, like rollercoasters, omnimovers, spiners or other powered rides, as attractions. So many people miss great attractions like the Nautilus or Molly Brown and Mark Twain riverboats. There is so much to discover on the ships and you have a stunning view over Frontierland. That's the wonderful thing about Disneyland, it's not only about rides. If you want to experience only rides, then there are better parks, like Cedar Point, where you will find bare steele coaster with no theming.
What's the name of that piece of music they used during the re-dedication ceremony? It sounds so familiar but I have no idea what it's called. You can hear it at about 3 minutes and 20 seconds into this video:
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Quote from: "pussinboots"Speaking of which, I just want to make a little side note there. Alain Littaye talks on his blog of how riverboats were historically painted all-white. However, the lead paints available until synthetic paints came into existence were actually never white-white. They would have been light beige at the very most. So all that crisp white clapboard we associate today with New England and the Victorian era in America is actually rewritten and repainted history. Therefore, the new sandy tones of the Molly Brown are probably just as historically inaccurate as the bright white of the Mark Twain.
That
would be the case if the whole ship was beige... ;-) As it is, the Molly Brown never was synthetic white. Like most Disney park "whites" it was a subtle off-white. But my beef isn't with its authenticity, actually. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to live with the fact that I'm the only guy on the internet who doesn't like the new color scheme! (Me and some of the original Frontierland Imagineers, anyway.)
Quote from: "Alan"What's the name of that piece of music they used during the re-dedication ceremony? It sounds so familiar but I have no idea what it's called. You can hear it at about 3 minutes and 20 seconds into this video:
Assuming you mean the music at 3:55, that's "Auguste's Entrance" from the Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show soundtrack. The other track used is the Big Country Theme, from the Frontierland area music.
"Big Country Theme" that's the one. Thank you David. Doing some resesarch, it's from the 1958 movie "The Big Country", which you can read more about on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Country%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Quote from: "DGRavenswood"But my beef isn't with its authenticity, actually. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to live with the fact that I'm the only guy on the internet who doesn't like the new color scheme! (Me and some of the original Frontierland Imagineers, anyway.)
You are not the only one. Just like the cheesy music they now play in Frontierland instead of the original grand soundtrack, it is yet another European idea of the west, rather than a reasonably authentic one. I am not keen on the colour scheme at all. But I am at least happy it had some tlc.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Just like the cheesy music they now play in Frontierland instead of the original grand soundtrack
Which one are you referring to? To the best of my knowledge the DLP Frontierland area music was never changed..?
Speaking of music, apart from the new captain's extremely wooden delivery I find it rather disappointing that they replaced the unloading music, which used to be a dixieland track by the Firehouse Five Plus Two (a great nod to Disney history), but I guess it didn't fit the new "story."
I sure hope they won't try to separate Mark Twain from his Mississippi... which, by the way,
was part of what we consider the Old American West.
To end on a positive note, like most people I do appreciate Molly Brown's new voice and -- obviously -- the TLC they gave the boat.
There is a cheesy version of the Good, the Bad and the Ugly - it sounds almost discofied. Not the version I remember in the early years.
Yeah, the Hugo Montenegro-style version... Funny, I always believed it had been there from the beginning. I'm certain that it was already in use in 1998 (that's when I started spending obscene amounts of time in Frontierland for my website), but of course it might have been changed around the same time as the Fantasyland area loop (c. 1996). I'll have to ask Jeff Burke some time.
Anyway, it's not the best illustration for your "European idea of the West" argument, as the original version of the track is Italian and this one is American! ;)
Lol ooops (blushes)
It seems Molly Brown is completed and in service:
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Picture by Disney Gazette:
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This passed weekend she was making a trip but not taking passengers - you could see people working on her. Maybe she had to do so many hours on the water before she can take passengers??
does this mean both boats are working at the same time? i have never been when both are available.
I believe Mark Twain is having the same treatment as Molly Brown has just had. So we might not see him sailing again for another year!