Finally! The moment we've been waiting years for! An overhaul of Star Tours has been confirmed by George Lucas! Take a look at this article:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=9301 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=9301)
"Also, George Lucas said that the "Star Tours" thrill ride at Disney-MGM Studios will be getting an overhaul soon."
Yes, so it's focusing on Star Tours at Disney-MGM Studios Florida, but this still undoubtedly means that the other Star Tours attractions would follow with similar overhauls afterwards, doesn't it?
:D :D
This is so much good news, wonder if it will be a sucess well no doubt it will be if they do it well, please please bring it to Paris since it would be such a good idea especially if they brought it sometime like 2007 which would work well with it being the 15th anniversary. Oh well I can dream can't I :wink: .
That sounds good! Although i still like the version that's at dlrp at the moment too. (i think i'm the only one) :wink:
Jorien :D
Well, you're certainly not the only one who still loves the current video at Star Tours.
I think it is still strong and giving me the idea being inside a starship and speeding through outer space. But i am wondering what this new ride video will bring us.
Several years have pasted by since the last movie, so i think there will be a big improvement in videoquality and therefore in the ride experience. In this case i am looking foreward to see the first movies of the one in at Disney-MGM Studios.
I just hope they will also do something about the Arcade hall near the exit, that is ruining the whole atmosphere of the ride if you ask me. There are enough Arcade games to play with located on other places in the parc. I would like to see a more "Star Wars" worthy type of games (just like they have had there for most of the years)
Quote from: "Sweet Laker"Well, you're certainly not the only one who still loves the current video at Star Tours.
I think it is still strong and giving me the idea being inside a starship and speeding through outer space. But i am wondering what this new ride video will bring us.
Glad to hear you like it too! :wink:
Quote from: "Sweet Laker"Several years have pasted by since the last movie, so i think there will be a big improvement in videoquality and therefore in the ride experience. In this case i am looking foreward to see the first movies of the one in at Disney-MGM Studios.
That could be true, i'm already looking forward to it now.
Quote from: "Sweet Laker"I just hope they will also do something about the Arcade hall near the exit, that is ruining the whole atmosphere of the ride if you ask me. There are enough Arcade games to play with located on other places in the parc. I would like to see a more "Star Wars" worthy type of games (just like they have had there for most of the years)
They may change the arcade near the exit, but one thing i hope they won't change....the waiting area. I really like it as it is, it's so Starwars. (can't really explain it, it's just a feeling) :wink: I hope that C3PO and R2D2 stay where they are. And that they won't update the area with bringing someone like Jarjar in it. (i hate that figure)
Jorien :D
So I need to say that I like Star Tours very much like it is now. But I would also be interested in seeing a new movie for the ride, because I'm a very big fan of the new Episodes. Just yesterday evening I have seen Episode 2 on TV. :lol: I don't think, and hope so, that they would change a lot of the waiting area, because it's themed as an futuristic airport and with the new movie you would only have a new destination to fly to. The only thing I would really like to get changed again is the Arcade at the exit. :wink:
I still love the current film aswell, and the attraction as a whole is still one of my favourites. The only thing they REALLY need to change if they relaunch the attraction is the exterior. It really has to be the worst exterior in the whole resort. Every single thing in WDS beats it by miles. I've never liked the X Wing there, held in place by an obvious metal support, and the building itself looks so ugly. Why don't they theme it like the actual astroport, with a starspeeder or two stored in the area and a an outside set up like the departures section of an airport? Then the post-show could be themed to the arrivals with a luggage belt and stuff... :D
Quote from: "Jorien"They may change the arcade near the exit, but one thing i hope they won't change....the waiting area. I really like it as it is, it's so Starwars. (can't really explain it, it's just a feeling) :wink: I hope that C3PO and R2D2 stay where they are. And that they won't update the area with bringing someone like Jarjar in it. (i hate that figure)
Jorien :D
Your right about that. The waiting area is good as it is. The only thing they could change is the fastpass queu-area. I think that part of the waiting area could use a little refurbishment :)
I also like Baloo's idea. I like the entrance of the attraction as it is right now and i like the X Wing in front of it. But the new idea you are bringing out could just might work. I like the sounds of it!
Lets just wait and see what the future brings us :)
Quote from: "Sweet Laker"I also like Baloo's idea. I like the entrance of the attraction as it is right now and i like the X Wing in front of it. But the new idea you are bringing out could just might work. I like the sounds of it!
Lets just wait and see what the future brings us :)
I like the X Wing in front of the building too. I hope they won't change it.
Jorien :D
I think the X Wing itself looks excellent, I just wish there was more to the entrance. They could have easily made it fit in with the rest of Discoveryland but they just didn't seem to bother... Some of the concepts for Star Tours in "From Sketch to Reality" look so much better than the final one. I suppose it was just about the only place they didn't overspend on when they opened the resort...
Oh, and it would also be nice if they perhaps added a few lights along the floor in the first section of the queue. It's always pitch black there and I always seem to fall up that ramp in my excitement to get inside. :lol:
Quote from: "Baloo"Oh, and it would also be nice if they perhaps added a few lights along the floor in the first section of the queue. It's always pitch black there and I always seem to fall up that ramp in my excitement to get inside. :lol:
LOL!!! :lol:
There's a great article on Mouse Planet about an idea for Star Tours 2 at Disneyland California.
http://www.mouseplanet.com/david/dk050510.htm (http://www.mouseplanet.com/david/dk050510.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
I wish they can do it in Disney Paris too!
Ladyghost.
I like the idea of an update, but would like the original to be retained somehow too. I'm not sure about the pod race being the main element, it would be nice to see the pod race incorporated, but what about other elements from the prequels, like the asteroid chase with Obi-Wan and Jango Fett, or what about the awesome opening battle to Episode III. I think that next to the original movie, Sith had probably the most impressive opening as Anakin and Obi-Wan swooped down amongst the capital ships for the opening battle, something like that would be amazing in Star Tours. You could have the storyline being a trip from Naboo to Coruscant, where you end up with the detour on Tatooine where you get caught up in the podrace, then hit the Geonosis asteroid field, before arriving at Coruscant to find the planet under siege, and you end up after weaving through the battle, disabling Greivous' flagship, and then doing the big crashlanding on Coruscant.
I just wish that if they are going to release a follow-up, that they would keep two of the four starspeeders run the old one. It could fit perfectly in the concept of the astroport where voyagers would be able to where they would want to travel...
Might need some queuing adjustments, but I think it would be manageable, and not only keep the good old stuff, but even add to the atmosphere of the astrport where we are all voyagers on startour flights ;)
We don't all fly to New York when we are going to an airport, are we? :)
CNET (//http://www.cnet.com) has an article (//http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9951772-7.html) about the CGI work in Indiana Jones, done by Industrial Light & Magic.
An interesting piece of information catches the eye at the end of the article...
QuoteNext up for Landis is another nostalgia-oriented project--a redo of the Star Tours ride at Disneyland. The big question...will Captain EO make a comeback?
I guess we can take this as some kind of semi-confirmation? I can't really see this thing confirmed at a news site before Disney has done it officially. But on the other hand, the source seems reliable.
What do you think?
By the way, the 'Landis' in the quote refers to Hayden Landis who works for Industrial Light & Magic.
I made this post on the Disneyland Park board because Star Tours 2 is also likely to arrive there, although Star Tours 2 will probably appear at the USA Disney parks first.
well Star Tours does need an update
Quote from: "Clarebelle"well Star Tours does need an update
Really? Why if I may ask?
This is one of those rumours that keeps popping up a few times a year for about a decade now (like you guys talked about in another topic). Your source seems very reliable Remco, and I truly expect them to update Star Tours within the next 3 years (in the US parks at least). I can't wait to see how they will redesign the ride with today's technologies. There is only one problem; the current Star Tours has set a very high standard. Hopefully we won't get a Space Mountain: Mission 2 kind of downgrade. Lets wait and see. :wink:
I doubt we'll ever see this upgrade. Let's face it, the previous make-overs like Mission 2 and Indiana Jones backwards never brought in more people... Besides, we didn't get Jack Sparrowin our POTC either, why would they bring in Star Tours 2 then? The ride still works (the past year have all bays been completely refurbished), people still visit and guest satisfaction is still high.
Quote from: "raptor1982"Quote from: "Clarebelle"well Star Tours does need an update
Really? Why if I may ask?
Sorry if I have offended anyone, and of corse you may ask.
I went on this ride for the first time this year (Feb), which was probably my first miskake, and although I enjoyed it and admire its charm, like all the good, original attractions, I just felt that it could be bought more upto date, graphics wise and the belts are a little tatty. I'm just being picky I know. But Walt would always want to add new technologies wouldn't he?
It also probably doesn't help that I have never watched Star Wars and don't know anything about it.
I wouldn't mind an upgrade, don't get me wrong, but I just don't think this will happen at DLRP any time soon, for the reasons I posted above. I guess it will also depend to what extend the upgrade will happen. Will it just be a new (cgi-loaded) movie, will there be in-room effects, 3D-glasses, etc.
QuoteWill it just be a new (cgi-loaded) movie, will there be in-room effects, 3D-glasses, etc.
I hope not! I'll get scared then :lol:
QuoteBesides, we didn't get Jack Sparrowin our POTC either
and I REALLY don't want that to happen POTC is a great ride, even without Captain Jack!
though star tours is still brilliant fun, it is looking a bit tired now. The projection is a bit dull and fuzzy, the seats could do with being re-upholstered and the screen that descends at the beginning to reveal the cockpit looks a lot like a curtain held up by a pole- oh wait; it is
i'm not sure i want to see a new version if its based on the prequels due to the overuse of CGI - the filming style of the old movies is much more fun if you ask me. the old trilogy also has much more nostalgia and a broader fan base than the new trilogy
an hd video would be nice though
I think the video could do with a little update... But as you mentioned I don't think we'll get any updates in DLP any time soon. I heard already a few years ago that George Lucas wanted to update the ride and make a podrace scene - but they only mentioned the US parks.
I won't mind too much if they don't update the ride in Paris. I love it as it is - and it feels more authentic... It's got the run down feel of the old movies!! :)
:o So they havnt updated the U.S parks either ?
I dont know why but i always thought that the American parks had been updates :?
Here's off Wikipedia:
QuoteIn April 2005, at the Star Wars Celebration III, Star Wars creator George Lucas confirmed that a Star Tours II is in production. This new ride will apparently be prequel-oriented.
In a concept release, the sequel is described as being based on the Pod Racer sequence in Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. The new ride system will consist of a glasses-free 3-D High Definition screen and an improved motion simulator.
The flight information board utilized in the ride queue promises forthcoming adventures to Hoth, Tatooine, and Dagobah and displays the text "Soon Endor Won't Be The End-All". These details, especially the clever tagline, are often mistaken as recent additions, used to support rumors of impending changes to the attraction, but have actually been in place since Star Tours opened, as have advertisements to other planets; eg. Hoth
Personally i don't really want an update, i would like one but i love star tours and i wouldn't want it based on the new movies (episodes I, II, III). Star Tours got me interested in Star Wars even though i haven't seen the old movies yet.
Quote from: "davidrsykes"i'm not sure i want to see a new version if its based on the prequels due to the overuse of CGI - the filming style of the old movies is much more fun if you ask me. the old trilogy also has much more nostalgia and a broader fan base than the new trilogy
I don't mind using CGI, as long as it's done correctly. There's still to much CGI work that looks like... well, CGI work! ;)
I really don't like the POD racer concept for Star Tours. The current 'space adventure' style ride is more fun. If they keep true to something like the original, I wouldn't mind an update.
I like Star Tours as it is. Soundtrack might be worth re-mastering.
I just hope they don't do a CGI overload if they do choose to do an upgrade :S
still no confirmation of the update for Tokyo or Paris, i really would like an update to this as I dont think there are ever huge queues for the attraction.
I know that there are a lot of rumors going around saying that when ST2 comes, it'll have cool new technology in use (e.g. 3D glasses, screens on the sides of the ship, etc), but I just hope that they don't forget to focus on one of the best bits of the original, it's fantastic storyline. After all, it's the fantastic storyline that makes ST a re-rideable ride and a classic. Lets hope we don't get another SM:M2 epidemic :roll:
eeek.
Personally, something prequel-related does not sound like good news to me. Plus, I don't see a need for an update to this ride. It's great! Just my opinion I guess.
Plus omg why was Captain Eo mentioned? hahaha could you imagine? Wow. That would be so trippy if for some reason they decided to bring him back.
But more seriously, I'm trying to imagine using 3D glasses in a motion simulator. Anyone been on a ride that does this? I don't think it would still feel like I was looking out the window if I had 3D glasses on. Anyone's thoughts?
Quote from: "The Butlin Boy"After all, it's the fantastic storyline that makes ST a re-rideable ride and a classic.:
AGREED :D
I sort of like the idea of 3D glasses on a simulator. I'm sure it would work well as long as they stay on your nose.
Is that sort of how the Spiderman ride works in IOA, Florida??
Quote from: "Alpop"I sort of like the idea of 3D glasses on a simulator. I'm sure it would work well as long as they stay on your nose.
Is that sort of how the Spiderman ride works in IOA, Florida??
Yeah but it isn't a flight simulator it is a motion simulator but there is no screen- the things that pop out at you are supposed to be right there in front of you, that's why I was saying. See the car you're in is a vehicle that isn't supposed to have a windshield. Also the car really does move around the building, so it mixes simulation with real motion and you travel "NYC" for real as well as using optical and motion illusions. It's basically a completely different brand new system...
The way Star Tours is now that wouldn't work out... And if they put it in the same building it has to fit there so they couldn't do exactly or nearly what Spiderman does.
I'm very curious to see what they come up with! And possibly see if they use that idea.
With so many bays for Star Tours, it would be nice that if they did make a new film, that you could have a choice between the 2. Half for the purists and the other half for the new version. Admittedly they would need to update the graphics for the original one in this case.
What I would like to see it better seatbelts. It took both me and my wife to hold our son in place in the seat between us. Poor little thing was being tossed everywhere ( and he was above the height requirements )
that would be a great idea, you could use the under used fast track lane as the alterntive entrance
Just came across this interesting article on StarWars.com about how WDI worked with Lucas to create Star Tours.
LINK (//http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/kessel/f20040618/index.html)
I know it's more to do with Disneyland's original but it's still the same attraction and the pic of Baxter is in Paris :P
Very interesting read, thanks!
According to Disneytheque we will get an Star Tours upgrade around 2013. There would already be an upgrade of the simolators. Although... I am not sure.
Quote from: "*TIMMIE*"According to Disneytheque we will get an Star Tours upgrade around 2013. There would already be an upgrade of the simolators. Although... I am not sure.
I doubt they would upgrade the ride system before Star Tours II would be installed. Plus the Star Tours II used entirely different techniques i would think because of the 3D, or would have a lesser effect.
Interesting article though, always interesting to hear about the creation of the rides.
Quote from: "*TIMMIE*"According to Disneytheque we will get an Star Tours upgrade around 2013. There would already be an upgrade of the simolators. Although... I am not sure.
Disneytheque also talks about The Little Mermaid and Ratatouille, although that last one is ofcourse already 'old news'.
looking forward to this !!
Screamscape.com has posted a great video about the original Star Tours simulation movie. I posted this video in the international Disney Parks thread, too. Take a look:
You have to scroll down!
http://www.screamscape.com/html/disneyland.htm (http://www.screamscape.com/html/disneyland.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
He is a youtube link to the new Starspeeder destinations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=354ld81p8B8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=354ld81p8B8%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Seems like there will be 3 different journeys.
Quote from: "Reiana"He is a youtube link to the new Starspeeder destinations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=354ld81p8B8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=354ld81p8B8%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Seems like there will be 3 different journeys.
I read on the Disney Parks blog that that will be the video also shown in the queing area, but the article specifically stated that they couldn't confirm that you'd be going to any of the destinations shown.
http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2 ... n-take-us/ (http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2010/08/new-star-tours-video-makes-us-ask-where-will-the-new-star-tours-attraction-take-us/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
A new shelter has been added outside Star Tours, much like the one added outside Space Mountain!
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In other news, Vadar has made a return!
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The shelter looks good and fits perfectly to the entrance sign. Now the CMs are covered when it's raining or snowing.
A few weeks ago Chewbacca returned and now Darth Vader. I have never met any Star Wars characters in the parks. It's so great that they have returned. I wonder if C3PO or R2D2 will also make appearances.
i just got very excited about this - it reminds me of a time gone by ( before SM ) when there were star wars characters wondering around. With this 'investment' in star tours could we expect an announcement about ST2 soon???
Very nice shelter! Seems to be based on the "Information" booth with ROX-N in the old Astroport.
Always great when DLP returns to a classic like this and adds something very in-keeping. Kinda shows they've "still got it". Hate the amount of temporary ropes around the entrance in those photos though, are they really necessary?
Speaking of ROX-N, is she meant to be malfunctioning? I know the animatronic returned after a long absence recently (I thought it might be gone for good) but the audio and movements still seem to be all over the place as they were before. Maybe that's the joke, but I'm not sure..?
Quote from: "smurfy74"i just got very excited about this - it reminds me of a time gone by ( before SM ) when there were star wars characters wondering around. With this 'investment' in star tours could we expect an announcement about ST2 soon???
I think the ST booth in a general DL investment and has nothing to do with the STII rumour. Eberything I have seen for the US looks amazing though!
Oh this is all very good news indeed :)
I am glad to see they can still work some magic.
can anyone tell me what star tours is all about and what age is it appropriate for i have a 7 year old and a 4 year old also and a 1 year old!
my son would love to meet darth vader!
HI lauramumof3 have a look here http://www.dlrpmagic.com/guidebook/disn ... startours/ (http://www.dlrpmagic.com/guidebook/disneyland-park/discoveryland/startours/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
It's a fun simulator set in the Star Wars stories, my 7yo boy absolutely loves it. I think we took him on when he was 4 and that was fine although it can be a bit dark with loud noises and lurching about a bit which may frighten some youngsters. I think it depends on them really, the queuing area is great too.
My kids have been going on it since they were 2 (the height restriction only came in recently in Paris) and they love it. Before they were old enough to ride, we used to ask if we could at least take them through the queue to see R2D2 and C3PO.
cant belive ive been 12 times and never been on it! bet hes gonna love it.
Hi Laura
Don't be in a rush to get onto the ride. There's loads to see in one of the best queueing areas in DLRP, and don't forget your camera.
Check out the park schedule!
The Star Tours charecter will be out from 10:15-12:30 and 14:40-16:15!
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Great news. I think Disney realized that people want to see other characters as well, and not only Micky, Donald, Pluto, Goofy and Princesses.
Does anyone know what suddenly spurred this return? Trying to give the attraction a boost, get more people through the turnstile? Just finally making the most of having the franchise? Seeing if there's interest around for a certain possible upcoming sequel to hit this continent?
Maybe they've just been sitting in a Star Tours terminal somewhere for years waiting for a flight to actually reach its destination, like a kind of Darth Vader version of the Tom Hanks film.
They were probably clearing out the loft in the Castle and found them, thinking that they might as well use them!
Perhaps they were inherited from another park, who got some new ones?
id like to think they are planning something for Star Tours 2 and like you say seeing if there is an appetite for this - im sure there is - hopefully the meet and greets will be a huge success. im thinking this will be the disneyland parks 20th anniversary attraction and something next door when Captain Eo closes
Great to see the Star Wars character meet'n'greets on the schedule. Does anyone know if they're likely to still be there in Feb? I have two HUGE Star Wars fans for whom meeting some characters would be the highlight of their visit.
Yes this is a bit random...
having just come back and being a MASSIVE starwars fan .. I can say this ride is fabulous and I can't wait for its overhaul .. we were also lucky to get the man Vader himself - the characters weren't about for the 10:15 am but we caught Vader at just gone 12 .. I was bouncing for the whole afternoon .. :D
Yeah, I saw Darth Vader in person when I was at the park last week. It really adds to the day having Star Wars characters available for photos. Star Tours had absolutely no queue in the middle of the day, which was an added bonus.
Take a look at this pictures. That's what Star Tours looked in January 2011. The pictures were taken from a fellow Austrian on another forum. I asked for permission to use them here.
That's shameful for Disney. I wonder if Disney will fix that or if they will wait until ST II.
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The weird thing about that is, Star Tours in Paris has 6 simulators, which they rarely run all at the same time. So why would Disney choose to run a simulator as bashed up as that? Surely the other 5 simulators are in better condition, or maybe not?
The pictures were taken during high season, so maybe Disney was running all six simulators.
Would love Star Tours 2 to come to Paris.
Have you seen the video of the announcement at the D23 Expo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VliPqCf4Z0w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VliPqCf4Z0w%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Brilliant
The new C-3PO animatronic, that's going to actually be in the StarSpeeder 1000 simulators in Star Tours: The Adventures Continue, looks really cool. The George Lucas animatronic is incredibly realistic too :D
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i'm sure we all remember a certain "PLANK" who likes to promote Tokyo Disney over Disneyland Paris...
i've found a few quotes of his, regarding Star Tours, on MiceChat...
QuoteIf anybody wants to ride Star Tours they way it was ment to be the last chance is to do so in Tokyo Disneyland. The ride looks a new as it was on day 1.
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QuoteStar Tours in Paris is in a TERRIBLE state. Broken chairs, some of the worst audio and video in any themepark ever. It will be a miracle if you ever reach lightspeed.
guess i could agree with him on that one :(
//http://micechat.com/forums/disneyland-resort-paris/
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this ride made me feel terribly sick, at one point i'd be totally into it beliving it then the next my mind would click outof it and it was like ohhh its just like one of the simulator rides at bridlington beach
Quote from: "fly_with_me_dumbo"this ride made me feel terribly sick, at one point i'd be totally into it beliving it then the next my mind would click outof it and it was like ohhh its just like one of the simulator rides at bridlington beach
Totally agree. I can ride all sorts of rollercoaster, but this is the only attraction that makes me feel like i'm going to throw up!
If Star Tours make you sick, you should try Mission: SPACE at Epcot. It's really more like an endurance/stress test, than a ride.
Quote from: "Alan"If Star Tours make you sick, you should try Mission: SPACE at Epcot. It's really more like an endurance/stress test, than a ride.
Mission: Space is great. It's one of the most intense ride I've ever experienced. Unfortunately people already died on that ride. It's the same system austronauts and jet pilots use for training. A few years ago Disney added a simulator like the one used for Star Tours.
Photos Magiques Twitter:
Star Tours II not planned for Disneyland Paris, according to Euro Disney CEO Philippe Gas.
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What a shame. A refurb is due at least!
I expected as much. I'm sure we'll get it eventually, though.
Stupid move on their part really in my opinion.
Quote from: "mehdi5"Stupid move on their part really in my opinion.
Totally agree. I can't imagine that it would be so expensive to upgrade Star Tours. The attraction is in a really bad state, they fixed broken parts with Duct Tape, but it seems we have to live with the current ride for a few more years.
I'm sure one day, when WDW and DL get Star Tour 3, DLRP will receive ST 2. Maybe it is still on the table, but ED SCA will not get us too excited.
Well, this news article will depress you even more now we know we're not getting it
QuoteThe first departure date for Star Tours: The Adventures Continue is rapidly approaching at both Disneyland in Anaheim, California and Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida. But where will the adventures take us? We already know that the totally revamped 3D thrill ride will take its riders on upwards of 50 different adventures each time they get on and now we've got the full list of planets and destinations that riders will be traveling to. Check them out after the break.
Here are the locations that Star Tours: The Adventures Continue will go to.
Tatooine for the Boonta Eve Podrace
Coruscant
Naboo
Kashyyyk
Hoth
The Death Star over Geonosis
And here's an image of the departure board:
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And here's the secondary characters who'll be appearing
R2-D2
C-3PO
Ace (AC-38) (New character, the pilot)
Spokesbot Aly San San (New character, voiced by Allison Janney)
Darth Vader
Stormtroopers
Skytroopers (New characters)
Boba Fett
Yoda
Admiral Ackbar
Princess Leia
Chewbacca
Yeeeee-haaaaaa !!!!! :(
I think the new version of ST will be amazing, each ride will be different.
Did TDR already announce ST II? Maybe when Star Tours 2 is coming to Tokyo, it will also come to Paris, because both companies could share the costs and so it will be cheaper.
Kristof hast just posted in his press event trip report that Philippe Gas, CEO of Euro Disney SCA, has confirmed that Star Tours 2 will not come to DLRP for at least the next seven years!!
It's really bad that DLRP will not get Star Tours II for another 7 years. It seems DLRP is stuck with that broken and with duct tape fixed attraction. I always thought ST 2 would be perfect for the 20th birthday, since it can be considered as a new attraction. That's really a big disappointment!!! Hopefully the current ride will get a refurb, because it is in a bad condition.
Updated the topic title to celebrate.
It's going to be very strange to still have the 1987 Star Tours in 2018. Maybe regular guests won't know that there's a massively updated version out there, but will they still be drawn to the original in seven years' time? With this and Captain EO on an indefinite return, that corner of Discoveryland is going to be more like a time machine than Le Visionarium ever was.
But still, if Star Tours: The Adventures Continue really is eye-wateringly expensive, maybe it's best DLP spend any investment packages for new attractions elsewhere for now, like at the Studios? Presuming that they're going to get investment packages.
Could have made a quip about preferring a Star Tours refurb to TSPL, but it would have been too easy....
So if Star Tours II isn't coming for the next 7 years, what attractions are? Is Ratatouille going to open to celebrate the Resort's 20th birthday? At the very least, Pirates should get a Jack Sparrow upgrade.
It probably is really expensive. The new version is in 3d, meaning a new projection system, new designs for inside space port, so that's a complete refit, and I heard that for one reason or another, the actual simulators need to be changed for the ride. It's gotta cost 60 million plus
Anyone else think this could point to its removal?
Quote from: "Martyn"Anyone else think this could point to its removal?
No.
Quote from: "Martyn"Anyone else think this could point to its removal?
I'm sure that Star Tours will stay, it is such an important attraction for Disney and even if it is nearly breaking apart, Disney will not remove it. That would mean less attractions and since ED SCA can't afford building new ones they will try everything to keep their rides as long as possible. Star Wars is a huge franchise and makes a lot of money with merchandise and I'm sure ED SCA still earns a lot money with the Star Tours/Star Wars merchandise sold there. And one day in seven years Disney will need the building and the simulators to upgrade the attraction to ST II.
Do you know if George Lucas has to say something when it comes to removing or replacing Star Tours? I can imagine he would be very disappointed if he would see the ride in its current state.
That's a real shame. I really hoped this would come. Star Tours need an update in many ways.
I'd like to be on record as the first person in this thread to say "whew!"
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the prequels... ;)
More seriously, let's not forget that we weren't getting Captain EO back either. Plans can change, especially if Star Tours 2 proves to be a huge hit. Seeing that it takes relatively little time to convert (as opposed to building an entirely new attraction), I wouldn't count it out completely, regardless of current plans.
True, but it is sad DLP always have to wait years for updates/upgrades/new rides. It is a bit frustrating. Especially when Phillip Gass states there is enough money for debts and investments (true or not), and it is so needed in our main park.
Oh, I completely understand why people are disappointed! And while I agree that Disneyland Park could use a new attraction, wouldn't it be even better if they actually added one rather than replace an existing one, as that is essentially all they have been doing at our first park since 1995?
True. I would LOVE Indy, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Splash Mountain, Centre of the Earth or an exclusive like Geyser Mountain. Besides I would love some upgrades like Captain EO a lot faster, than many years later or never. As you said... You never know.
Gah .. was looking forward to the DLP update .. I hope they don't close startours .. Its my favourite ride
I don't think there's any chance that they'll close it! :) ... Well, except (hopefully) for a refurbishment.
Bad decision, very bad decision...
Star Wars is coming back 2012 to Cinemas in 3D. And i think it will make good money.
now if DLP would update ST to the new Adventures than it could draw in more People.
Another proof that Phillip Gas needs to go.
Maybe ST 2 is to much Thrill and we all know that Disney is a park for Kids, and just for them.
Will we get an updated Space Mountain so that 2 year old kids can ride it? Maybe we also will get
the new random programm for TOT where the Lift will be as fast as a real one..
Quote from: "lil-shawn"Bad decision, very bad decision...
Star Wars is coming back 2012 to Cinemas in 3D. And i think it will make good money.
now if DLP would update ST to the new Adventures than it could draw in more People.
Another proof that Phillip Gas needs to go.
Maybe ST 2 is to much Thrill and we all know that Disney is a park for Kids, and just for them.
Will we get an updated Space Mountain so that 2 year old kids can ride it? Maybe we also will get
the new random programm for TOT where the Lift will be as fast as a real one..
And they will add a lot of toons to all rides so that they are even more suitable for small kids.
Yeah maybe Ratatouille (if getting built) will be an very slow ride system and the Rats are going to sing like
in Its a smal world LOL
According to the new D23 magazine, there will be 54 different story combinations for each four-and-a-half-minute ride aboard the Starspeeder 1000.
The story will take place between Episode III and IV, that's why Rex, the pilot, was replaced by C-3PO, because Rex mentions in the current attraction that it is his first flight and the current ride takes place after Episode IV.
The new version includes a trip INSIDE the Death Star and guests will encounter some Star Wars characters, like Darth Vader, Princess Leia, Yoda, Boba Fett, Chewbacca, Stormtroopers, Admiral Ackbar and Jar Jar Binks.
Now I really hope that one day that attraction will come to DLRP.
surely things like this and adding jack sparrow to POTC would be perfect for the 20th
I'm actually a fan of keeping the rides original, although I'm sure Star Tours 2 will be immense it makes DLP's unique in that it will be the only original Star Tours left. (I'm guessing DLP will be the last park to get Star Tours 2)
As for PoTC even though the Jack Sparrow animatronic is the most impressive I have ever seen, I still would rather it stayed original the way that Walt designed it to be.
Ah, but PotC is the most different from the way walt designed it. Disneyland in California is the only one to have his approved designs (albeit modified with Jack Sparrow and co.)
I'm totally not a fan of Disneyland Park (in Paris) staying exactly the same way. Disneyland isn't supposed to be a museum. It's supposed to be a living breathing thing that evolves and improves over time. Sure, attractions changing for the worse is a bad thing. But if the attractions get BETTER, what's wrong with that?
So bring on the enhancements to Phantom Manor, Pirates of the Caribbean and Star Tours, I say.
7 years until Star Tours: The Adventures Continue comes to Paris? This is unacceptable.
The new Star Tours ride is getting rave reviews, but doesn't actually look THAT different (physically) from the original version. So maybe it wouldn't be too unrealistic or expensive to bring it to Paris... just a little bit sooner than 2018 please.
Can someone have a word with Philippe Gas and get him to change his mind?
Quote from: "Alan"7 years until Star Tours: The Adventures Continue comes to Paris? This is unacceptable.
The new Star Tours ride is getting rave reviews, but doesn't actually look THAT different (physically) from the original version. So maybe it wouldn't be too unrealistic or expensive to bring it to Paris... just a little bit sooner than 2018 please.
Can someone have a word with Philippe Gas and get him to change his mind?
DLRP will get ST II when WDW und DLR will get the third generation of that attraction. I really hope that DLRP will get it sooner.
This is just conjecture, but I think that they might either start building it or announce it in 2013. If they're changing the Phantom Manor then, then they might do ST2 as well. Or, they might wait until a year after the 12th anniversary before they start big building projects again, like this year.
Take a look at Alain Littaye's ST II blog:
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Be aware, there are spoilers:
In another post WDWnewstoday details what we know so far - warning again: lot of spoilers ahead:
QUEUE
The first queue room is mostly the same, the screen is now HD and shows weather reports, destination previews, and a look at Starspeeder 1000.
The Goose droids are now screening luggage in the second queue room. However on a sad note the droid room song is gone!
As luggage goes through the scanner, projections show what's inside. Some items inside include Wall-E, a Stormtrooper helmet, and an ewok doll among other items.
3 to 4 models of our former pilot RX-24 are now in that room, each a different color. They each have a tag saying they are defective!
A body scanner is now located at the end of the room. The other goose droid makes a comment about you passing through.
Loading area is essentially the same except for new lighting and signage, the updated pre-show is presented on two HD screens above.
PRE-SHOW
Pre-show has Aly San San (the new Spokes-Droid voiced by Allison Janey) providing all the spiels in English and Spanish. The guests in the cabin was a shot for shot remake of original pre-show.
The cast member chooses who will be the rebel spy or princess that will be "caught" when the ride begins. We suggest you try kissing up.
During the pre-show, C-3P0 comes to inspect the Starspeeder cabin, has a discussion with pilot, then asks him to leave. (I've got a bad feeling about this)
Ride Experience
Guests board and are seated, the starspeeder takes off with reluctant pilot and a view of the Millennium Falcon. Guests are then ambushed!
You escape the ambush by jumping to lightspeed, bringing you to you your first destination.
The riders we spoke to then ended up on either Hoth or Kashyyk. There's a battle on Hoth and you get chased on Speeder-bikes in the latter.
You go to space and get a transmission. The riders we spoke with were given a message by Admiral Ackbar or Princess Leia.
Princess Leia says "help me Star Tours, you're my only hope!". Next, R2-D2 then jumps to lightspeed without C-3P0?s permission.
The riders we spoke with then either entered final scenes in the Death Star, on Naboo, or Coruscant.
The Death Star scene ends with a Boba Fett chase through the asteroid field.
Naboo has a giant fish attack.
Coruscant has a giant battle in the sky between the Trade Federation and the Clone Troopers. You barely escape from a huge crashing ship!
Photos like these, taken sneakily in the new Star Tours queue, are starting to show up on Twitter. Like I said before, it doesn't actually look all that different, does it? But you know what, that's actually a good thing, because it makes the idea of it coming to Disneyland Paris more likely.
Compare the new to the old:
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Quote from: "Alan"Photos like this, taken in the new Star Tours queue, are showing up on Twitter. Like I said before, it doesn't actually look all that different, does it? But you know what, that's actually a good thing, because it makes the idea of it coming to Disneyland Paris more likely.
The theming of the queue looks already great and in my opinion there is no need to change it. They just painted the Starspeeder in red and changed the simulators. I can't imagine what's so expensive, maybe the rights to use Star Tours?
I can imagine ED SCA will be forced by TWDC and Lucasfilm to change to attraction. I'm sure George Lucas will not be happy that the old version will be shown when there is already a new one. The same will happen in Tokyo. The reviews are very good and perhaps that makes the management think about it.
I did read, that Star Tours - The Adventure Continues cost was approx. $50 million for both WDW and DL...
These would be 35 - 40 million euros.. Now i realy wanna know where is the problem not to get it at DLP...
It would be perfect for the 20th because they can promote the attraction on the beginning of Star Wars 3D next year and
also they can promote the parks 20th. Another misstake they will do, because now they would have the chance to
promote all over europe and may get more visitors ect. but the manegement and marketing are to lazy to do it right.!
Sometimes you realy get the feeling they don´t want to. They didn´t enough Promotion for TOT, Captain EO ect. all over Europe. Also they didn´t take the opportunity to promote the park in Germay while other countrys were in recission. A little bit research won´t hurt them and dont cost a lot of money.. sorry but i don´t buy anything mr. gas is saying or the onther persons invovled. They are liars and dont have any clue....
Quote from: "lil-shawn"I did read, that Star Tours - The Adventure Continues cost was approx. $50 million for both WDW and DL...
These would be 35 - 40 million euros.. Now i realy wanna know where is the problem not to get it at DLP...
It would be perfect for the 20th because they can promote the attraction on the beginning of Star Wars 3D next year and
also they can promote the parks 20th. Another misstake they will do, because now they would have the chance to
promote all over europe and may get more visitors ect. but the manegement and marketing are to lazy to do it right.!
Sometimes you realy get the feeling they don´t want to. They didn´t enough Promotion for TOT, Captain EO ect. all over Europe. Also they didn´t take the opportunity to promote the park in Germay while other countrys were in recission. A little bit research won´t hurt them and dont cost a lot of money.. sorry but i don´t buy anything mr. gas is saying or the onther persons invovled. They are liars and dont have any clue....
I read the same on the Blue Sky Disney-Blog and if you take in account that DLRP was willing to spend over €70mio for three carnival rides, then I really don't get it. I think ED SCA will be forced by TWDC and George Lucas to bring ST II to Paris. George Lucas always wants to use the newest technology, which isn't always the best, and I can't imagine that he wants to see his product how it is presented in Paris. Most people associate Star Tours with Star Wars instead of Disney.
Bonkers huh, We have a terrible carnival in WDSP that cost more than a Star Tours make over. Although the expense in Paris would be the language dubbing. Unless they just popped in the US attraction in english (that would be cool, but wouldn't happen).
I wonder if wonder if that $50 million included the ride film by ILM, or if George Lucas paid for part of it? Given Lucas' wealth, I can imagine him wanting to spend his own money to make sure the ride film was as high quality as possible, and not to be constrained or restricted by Disney's budget.
Quote from: "Alan"I wonder if wonder if that $50 million included the ride film by ILM, or if George Lucas paid for part of it? Given Lucas' wealth, I can imagine him wanting to spend his own money to make sure the ride film was as high quality as possible, and not to be constrained or restricted by Disney's budget.
I wonder if George Lucas is happy to see Star Wars in a Disney park? Don't you think that Universal would be a better place for him? I think at Universal he would have the chance to create a whole Star Wars or Indinana Jones land and since Steven Spielberg is involved with Universal Creative, I can imagine that he considered to collaborate with them. Maybe the contract with Disney doesn't allow that. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that Indy and Star Wars, both are one of my favorite franchises, are part of the Disney Themepark Universe, but recently Disney is on the cheaper side of creating new rides, while Universal created some of the best attractions recently.
And this happens when an attraction gets a big promotion. Funny because this is just the Star Tours Early Departure Private Event. Look at this Huge quee Line :D
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How crazy will it be on June 3rd when the Ride oficial opens at DL?
Another proof, that an updatet Attraction can bring in crows, as long as you make a good and big promotion.
Many say, we won´t look at the business site of Disney, i do and i see that DLP don´t know how to bring in
many european visitors. Sorry but this park is lost, they even don´t have $50 million wich is btw. peanuts for them.
Oh hold on maybe this money is spent on the Magical memories festival :twisted:
While I agree with many of your sentiments Lil Shawn, also remember that Disneyland has over 500,000 annual pass holders, 90% of which live within a 3 hour drive. That is a huge difference compared to PAris. Also add in that DL has a very different culture than all the other resorts, with 56 years of loyalty (that is not based on characters).
From why I have observed on some message boards and real life, there is a huge group of folks in Europe that go to see kids dressed up in rubberhead costumes. Sad fact.
That line is huge, but since it is only 8 o'clock in the morning, I think this is a special preview for visitors with annual passes. Nevertheless DLRP needs more promotion! Each year they are spending a lot of money on meet and greets, shows and new festivals, but there is no money for an upgrade of Star Tours II.
Imagine this commercial playing out across Europe instead of that obnoxious "We're going to Disneyland!" girl...
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Good to see someone (Blue Sky Disney) has finally put a price on the upgrade, I've been waiting for that figure for months. Although no doubt $50m would convert almost directly to €50m for Paris. At that price, and choosing my words carefully, I do think Toy Story Playland is the more "shrewd" investment for the parks (if we have to compare everything to Toy Story Playland.....)
But it makes me wonder how Euro Disney SCA look at the cost/benefit of investments like this... Wouldn't they increase the benefit by upgrading it sooner, riding on the huge publicity DL and WDW are creating, rather than investing the same amount in a few years when the excitement has gone? That would seem to be similar cost for much less benefit.
That's indeed a great commercial. We had already a discussion about this one and other commercials in the US Star Tours II topic in the international thread. It is so much better than all DLRP commercials of the recent years.
I also don't understand why ED SCA doesn't want to invest in Star Tours II. Lucasfilm brings Star Wars back to the big screen and all six movies will be released for the first time on BluRay. It would be the perfect moment to bring the ride to Paris.
I think we compare TSPL with other attractions, because Disney spent a lot of money on that land and in my opinion it is one of the worst cost/benefit investment of Disney.
By the way take a look at this article. Alain Littaye has posted an article about a fantastic Star Wars ride concept, which wasn't designed by WDI:
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People are talking about the imminent closure of Captain EO.
The new expansion of Discoveryland is supossed to be named "Star Tours Land", completed in 2015 and is rumored to consist of:
· Star Tours 2: The Adventures Continue.
· La Cantina Restaurant (supposed to replace Buzz Lightyear Pizza Planet).
· Jedi Training Academy (new attraction inside HISTA building).
· A new attraction (?).
I've made a beautiful map lol.
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Left green area = 1,44 Ha = 14.000 m2 approx.
Right green area = 0,5 Ha = 5.000 m2 approx.
Let's comment!
Quote from: "Lorum"People are talking about the imminent closure of Captain EO.
The new expansion of Discoveryland is supossed to be named "Star Tours Land", completed in 2015 and is rumored to consist of:
· Star Tours 2: The Adventures Continue.
· La Cantina Restaurant (supposed to replace Buzz Lightyear Pizza Planet).
· Jedi Training Academy (new attraction inside HISTA building).
· A new attraction (?).
I've made a beautiful map lol.
Left green area = 1,44 Ha = 14.000 m2 approx.
Right green area = 0,5 Ha = 5.000 m2 approx.
Let's comment!
Sounds good, will be interesting to see if this comes true.
People going nuts these days....
For what i've read on DCP (google-translated), they say the cantina (super awesome) restaurant would go in the former captain eo theater, and the Jedi Training Academy show will be held at the Videopolis Theatre (meh).
Whyle i'm joyfyl of more (and cooler) Star Wars in the park (and for how much is needed a revamp back there), actually i'd really prefer a world where a proper Star Wars Land in the Studios with the new Star Tours, Mos Esley with the cantina and some walk through attraction (and of course the relocated X-Wing), and later on, with no hurry, when the new Soarin Over the World is available, our Da Vinci based Soarin' in the back of Discoveryland, fitting just in in the theme of the land. But i don't see them demolish a building to built the same building in the park next door, lol.
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This rumour crushes all my hopes of a Discoveryland thats on par with DisneySea's Mysterious Island and Port Discovery - Star Wars belongs in the Studio! Give me Vinci or Verne or Wells any day!
I'd love it if the entrance side of Space Mountain represented a space-port and the other side (the EO side) was to represent the destination, (which would make sense for quests disembarking from SM in an alien planet.) I'll love to see a strange new word, made to look although it had been colonised by these Victorian retro-future folk. I imagine a landscape of the typical Discoveryland rock, populated with glass domes. With it's steam-punk feel, the Disneyland RR train passing through would feel right at home, as opposed to that messy Star Wars themed building.
It's also a strange time to build a Star Wars land - unless it would coincide with a film re-release. I feel about this the same way I feel about the whole Star Wars franchise - that it's a cow thats continuously over-milked.
I really don't believe these rumours about Star Wars Land. But, if it happens, fantastic. It sounds like a really good idea.
I don't want Discoveryland to be destroyed. There are several ways of expanding a park. They should think of "The Little Mermaid", "Splash Mountain".
But this idea is quite clever. Star Tours clearly needs updating to Star Tours 2, and Captain EO is set to close with no obvious 3D film to replace it. So a great solution is to tie the whole area together with a Star Wars ride, show and restaurant.
Quote from: "Lorum"I don't want Discoveryland to be destroyed. There are several ways of expanding a park. They should think of "The Little Mermaid", "Splash Mountain".
Amen :)
I this before they start adding new 'Lands' we should finnaly be give Splash Mountain ( Disney Anahime version) and DEFFINATLY The Little Mermaid :)
Quote from: "Alan"But this idea is quite clever. Star Tours clearly needs updating to Star Tours 2, and Captain EO is set to close with no obvious 3D film to replace it. So a great solution is to tie the whole area together with a Star Wars ride, show and restaurant.
But why continue to fill a land with material that isn't theme-perfect and when there is plenty other material to draw on that better fits the theme of the land? Keep Star Tours and upgrade it - I'm happy with that. But adding more (I feel) would be sacrificing the brilliant, unique design and concept that Discoveryland has.
As a huge lifelong Star Wars fan I'd be thrilled if this happened, but where would they have suddenly got the money to process this when Ratatouille was such a chore to push through?
Quote from: "Columbiad"But why continue to fill a land with material that isn't theme-perfect and when there is plenty other material to draw on that better fits the theme of the land? Keep Star Tours and upgrade it - I'm happy with that. But adding more (I feel) would be sacrificing the brilliant, unique design and concept that Discoveryland has.
In my opinion Discoveryland was ruined in 2005 with the addition of Buzz Lightyear. I know many will disagree, but that ride shouldn't be there. It is a nice attraction and I also enjoy it, but WDI should have put it into WDSP.
A Star Wars mini land would be nice, because that area behind SM feels like a dead zone. But didn't Mr. Gas say in a round table discussion last year that he doesn't want to spend so much money just for a revamp of an existing ride. According to him guests are still fine with Star Tours. A Star Wars mini land without ST II wouldn't make any sense. If it's just another meet and greet I really don't need it.
Disney should also get rid of that ugly Toy Story restaurant. And one day I hope WDI will add Tourney to the Centre of the Earth behind SM. It would fit so perfectly into the Discovery theme. I know it's just wishful thinking, but that ride would make so much sense in Discoveryland. Disney should also retheme SM back to De La Terre A La Lune with that fantastic soundtrack.
Buzz Lightyear sould be moved to the Studios, because in my opinion that attraction ruins the look of Discoveryland. It just doesn't fit the visionary theme. It could be replaced with a wonderful Jules Verne inspired restaurant.
As long as there is no official announcement, any CM confirmation or construction, I doubt that the Star Wars mini land is coming.
I'm so against a Stars War land!
Quote from: "Lorum"I don't want Discoveryland to be destroyed. There are several ways of expanding a park. They should think of "The Little Mermaid", "Splash Mountain".
I agree.
Quote from: "BadKid"Quote from: "Lorum"I don't want Discoveryland to be destroyed. There are several ways of expanding a park. They should think of "The Little Mermaid", "Splash Mountain".
I agree.
I couldn't agree more...
Especially the first sentence: "I don't want Discoveryland to be destroyed!"
Quote from: "JelleP"Quote from: "BadKid"Quote from: "Lorum"I don't want Discoveryland to be destroyed. There are several ways of expanding a park. They should think of "The Little Mermaid", "Splash Mountain".
I agree.
I couldn't agree more...
Especially the first sentence: "I don't want Discoveryland to be destroyed!"
I doubt that a so called Star Wars mini land would ruin Discoveryland. There is already the Star Wars based Star Tours and so that theme is already part of Discoveryland. If they are going to expand Star Wars than it has to be done outside the berm, like Lorum showed in his map. That wouldn't interfer that much with the existing Discoveryland. And when speaking of ruining the land, Buzz Lightyear did a lot more to ruin it. According to Tim Delaney, creator of Discoveryland, they wanted to do a collection of the future and I don't see how Buzz fits. Even Wall-E would fit better, because one could argue that he is Pixar's view of the future.
I also would like to see a new attraction in Frontierland or in one of the other lands. Splash Mountain in its current form wouldn't fit into Frontierland with the Thunder Mesa theme. Now we can say that it's in the back of the land, it wouldn't matter. But that's the same with Star Wars in the back of Discoveryland. However since Disney CEO Robert Iger doesn't want the Song of the South to be used anymore, WDI would have to come up with something new. Currently WDI is experimenting with a new ride system for POTC in Shanghai and they also wanted to bring it to Frontierland in DL Anaheim, but Tomorrowland needs a new attraction first. So maybe in the future this new system is also a possibility for Paris.
Adventureland doesn't have many attractions and so it would make sense to add one there, butIndy is too expensive and that means WDI has to create a smaller ride and given Disney's current attraction policy, I can imagine that it would be a character based one. So in my opinion Fantasyland would be the best choice if WDI wants to add a new toon inspired ride. Little Mermaid would be the best choice, since it is currently built in Florida and that would reduce costs, because DLP wouldn't have to pay for the whole research and development costs.
However I guess none of these things are going to happen in the next years and I still have my doubts about Star Tours II upgrade and the mini land. It's more likely to see Captain EO return for the summer season.
They're addressing a problem with this idea though aren't they, how often do we complain that behind Space Mountain ruins the theme, the buildings don't fit and are all different, Pizza Planet is just wrong in every way, and Star Tours feels out of place and belongs in Studios?
Surely by taking that whole area at once and making it visibly different and flowing as one then it will address that problem, you will have Discoveryland with it's Verne style (and Buzz would then become the obvious flaw to the land) and Star Wars Land (which I hope isn't called that if it goes ahead..) would be one flowing area. It'd remove a lot of the mish-mash of themes we've been left with as additions were tacked on without much thought.
It's not ideal no, but it'll tidy up an unsightly area which few people actually bother to go to!
Quote from: "Scissorsboi"Surely by taking that whole area at once and making it visibly different and flowing as one then it will address that problem, you will have Discoveryland with it's Verne style (and Buzz would then become the obvious flaw to the land) and Star Wars Land (which I hope isn't called that if it goes ahead..) would be one flowing area. It'd remove a lot of the mish-mash of themes we've been left with as additions were tacked on without much thought.
Agreed. It actually seems like a sensible way to at least bring some cohesion to the land, at the same time as investing in the Star Tours upgrade.
I wouldn't like to see it as Star Wars Land
and Discoveryland, though. It should be that there's a Star Wars area and a Mysterious Island-type area both
within Discoveryland. In the same way Adventureland is a single land of "Adventure" themes but contains wildly different locales such as the bazaar, Africa, India and the Caribbean. That's the beauty of our Disneyland park compared to the other resorts: the lands are larger and less one-dimensional.
Personally I'd love a whole land dedicated to Jules Verne-type ideas, but that actually would make Discoveryland really lack the variety of the other lands in the park. Expanding the Star Wars presence means the land would have enough franchise-based stuff to justify balancing it with a better Verne area, perhaps. The major problem remains Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast, built in entirely the wrong spot.
The only thing I dislike is "Star Wars Land". Please no! Call it anything but that. I'd like to see the whole area themed as the exterior of a much larger, more commercial Star Tours Astroport terminal.
I guess Star Wars miniland is just a nickname given by the one who started the topic on DCP. I also hope that it will not get that name. In the end it's still a single attraction with a restaurant and a stage for kids to be a Jedi. At WDW that Jedi training was very small. POTC includes also a restaurant and asmall meet and greet with Jack in front of the building and it doesn't have its own Pirates Land name.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "Scissorsboi"In the same way Adventureland is a single land of "Adventure" themes but contains wildly different locales such as the bazaar, Africa, India and the Caribbean.
I rephrase my opinion - if it was going to be done, it would have to done really well. The various area's in Adventureland work because of the one overarching feature they share - the greenery. The jungle greenery blends the area together, with subtle changes suggesting the various locales. But Discoveryland doesn't have that - Discoveryland is mostly architectural and it would be much, much harder to blend the warm, coppery Victorian retro-future with the cold, industrial white style of the Star Wars universe.
This is why I think it'd be better to use that space for more Mysterious Isle-style features, which is already perfect.
Quote from: "Columbiad"I rephrase my opinion - if it was going to be done, it would have to done really well. The various area's in Adventureland work because of the one overarching feature they share - the greenery. The jungle greenery blends the area together, with subtle changes suggesting the various locales. But Discoveryland doesn't have that - Discoveryland is mostly architectural and it would be much, much harder to blend the warm, coppery Victorian retro-future with the cold, industrial white style of the Star Wars universe.
This is why I think it'd be better to use that space for more Mysterious Isle-style features, which is already perfect.
That's definitely true. That's why I suggested to expand Star Tours behind the railtrack berm, like it's shown in Lorum's map.
TDS has so many gret rides that would perfectly fit into Discoveryland. Most of them are inspired by the first Discovery Mountain envisioned by Tim Delaney. Journey to the Centre of the Earth ot 20000 Leagues under the Sea would be a perfect addition behind SM. It seems there's enough land, but not enough money. Under Eisner in his first years it would have been possible, but franchise lover Iger would be against that.
Quote from: "Columbiad"But Discoveryland doesn't have that - Discoveryland is mostly architectural and it would be much, much harder to blend the warm, coppery Victorian retro-future with the cold, industrial white style of the Star Wars universe.
Actually, that's true only for the original trilogy. Being Star Tours II a prequel to the original one set between the trilogies, they could go for a more Coruscant look, that's plenty of gold and bronze and has a cool art-deco style that i think would fit really well in the overall style of the land.
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(but of course, then the super-awesome Cantina Restaurant wouldn't not fit that well anymore, and what about that x-wing? lol)
Quote from: "Scissorsboi"Surely by taking that whole area at once and making it visibly different and flowing as one then it will address that problem, you will have Discoveryland with it's Verne style (and Buzz would then become the obvious flaw to the land) and Star Wars Land (which I hope isn't called that if it goes ahead..) would be one flowing area. It'd remove a lot of the mish-mash of themes we've been left with as additions were tacked on without much thought.
They could just try to restyle the exterior of Buzz's attraction, giving him a more steampunk look:
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Quote from: "|Q|"They could just try to restyle the exterior of Buzz's attraction, giving him a more steampunk look:
That'd be amazing.
All this talk of Steampunk Star Wars reminds me of this:
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Quote from: "Columbiad"Quote from: "|Q|"They could just try to restyle the exterior of Buzz's attraction, giving him a more steampunk look:
That'd be amazing.
The theme could be "mechanical toys", lol.
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TDS has so many gret rides that would perfectly fit into Discoveryland. Most of them are inspired by the first Discovery Mountain envisioned by Tim Delaney. Journey to the Centre of the Earth ot 20000 Leagues under the Sea would be a perfect addition behind SM. It seems there's enough land, but not enough money. Under Eisner in his first years it would have been possible, but franchise lover Iger would be against that.[/quote]
Totally agree
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Doesn't Mysterious Island look great? I wish DLP's Discoveryland would be more like that.
Quote from: "dagobert"Doesn't Mysterious Island look great? I wish DLP's Discoveryland would be more like that.
Actually that's why i'm in NO HURRY to see something new in Discoveryland :P
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Even much of Port Discovery in DisneySea would fit beautifully in our Discoveryland, but Mysterious Island would be even better.
They definitely couldn't build Mount Prometheus, though, unless it was on a smaller scale. Sometimes, I wish they could demolish Space Mountain and build the original Discovery Mountain, but that's never going to happen. XD
I'm just back from a week at DLP and that whole back area of discovery land needs something doing to it .. I am a HUGE star wars fan and love the star tours ride (11 times on this trip) and it really is in need of a revamp - the one at WDW is fantastic.
If they are going to tart it up and add extra pieces like the jedi academy then that whole area seems like a good place for it to go - as it is out of the way and the theme for the area will be the same.
I agree that the Buzz lightyear ride is SO out of place in Discoveryland - it should be in the studios. Stick it over in the back lot where there is not a lot or by toy story playland - why didn't they move it there when the idea was thought of? That whole area is crying out for more - and another restuarant.
I love the themeing of Discoveryland and Buzz just looks out of place - I love the ride though.
Quote from: "torillien"I agree that the Buzz lightyear ride is SO out of place in Discoveryland - it should be in the studios. Stick it over in the back lot where there is not a lot or by toy story playland - why didn't they move it there when the idea was thought of? That whole area is crying out for more - and another restuarant.
I love the themeing of Discoveryland and Buzz just looks out of place - I love the ride though.
Nice to see that there are more who care about a cohesive theming than just about adding attraction after attraction, no matter if it fits, to the parks. Nevertheless I like the Buzz ride, too.
Quote from: "torillien"I agree that the Buzz lightyear ride is SO out of place in Discoveryland - it should be in the studios.
Couldn't the same be said for Star Wars? Why is that a better fit in Discoveryland?
Because Star Wars is generally related to discovery and tries to be realistic (to an extent). The Buzz Lightyear ride is about a toy that's part of a fictional franchise set in space. It's got nothing to do with the future or science/discovery.
Quote from: "Josh"Because Star Wars is generally related to discovery and tries to be realistic (to an extent).
No, wait, how Star Wars is related to discovery? Star Trek is about discovery, but SW it's good ol' "Good Vs. Evil" and about gettin back to "the old ways", lol
I'd say that Star Tours is a "better fit" for Discoveryland 'cause it's tuck in the back, unlike Buzz that's just at it's entrance.
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uh, whoa, 50th post ^_^
Quote from: "|Q|"No, wait, how Star Wars is related to discovery? Star Trek is about discovery, but SW it's good ol' "Good Vs. Evil" and about gettin back to "the old ways", lol
Lol. Very true. XD But I meant that Star Tours is about discovery. Well... it would be, if it didn't go completely off-course in the story.
Actually, i was thinking, does Discoveryland really needs new attractions so soon? I mean, it has been the second to last land to get a new attraction (Buzz) and a revamped one (Eo), while Frontierland the only new attractions that ever got were the Woody roundup meet and greet (now temporary Meet Mickey), the Pocahontas playground and the Legend of the West walkthrough. I was reading an interview to Pat Burke on D&M (posted by Anthony on another thread), and what has been envisioned to expand this land it's pretty rad.
What i'd really like to have in Discoveryland would be some theme-appropriate entertainment, like a theremin player that puts up a nice show in the streets of the land:
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The Theremin is obscure to many people, it for sure looks magical and it's totally retrofuturistic. And i'm pretty sure there are a lot of really cheap unemployed theremin players all over europe ;D
And, more expensive but pretty spectacular, i'd love to see a tesla coils musical show in Videopolis:
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Lookin up for videos on youtube i've just discovered that they used Teasla coils music in one of the scenes of that Jerry Bruckheimer's wicked Sorcerer's Apprentice thing, lol:
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Anyway, wouldn't it be cool? :p
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It'd be amazing to see things like this in Discoveryland, but currently the theme is too disjointed to add something like this, because it'd just feel more like something out of place. Sort the area and then focus on plussing it.
I for one would love to see the area made so that it could represent the Discoveryland of old during the day, and then at night, with a flick of a switch turn into something similar to ElecTRONica with hidden neons springing to life and lasers connecting the buildings.
But I agree with above, the current need for an E-Ticket addition is Frontierland, it's been too long forgotten. Phantom and BTM hold it together currently, but it feels the least loved area to me.
Quote from: "Scissorsboi"It'd be amazing to see things like this in Discoveryland, but currently the theme is too disjointed to add something like this, because it'd just feel more like something out of place. Sort the area and then focus on plussing it.
I feel that is way too much negativity about poor Discoveryland. The only thing *really* out of place is the theming of Buzz and it's shop. Nut could really be fixed with little more than a paintjob. And, of course, the messy Star Tours/Captain Eo area in the back, but that was messy since the beginning.
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Quote from: "dagobert"Quote from: "torillien"I agree that the Buzz lightyear ride is SO out of place in Discoveryland - it should be in the studios. Stick it over in the back lot where there is not a lot or by toy story playland - why didn't they move it there when the idea was thought of? That whole area is crying out for more - and another restuarant.
I love the themeing of Discoveryland and Buzz just looks out of place - I love the ride though.
Nice to see that there are more who care about a cohesive theming than just about adding attraction after attraction, no matter if it fits, to the parks. Nevertheless I like the Buzz ride, too.
What makes it even worse is that we now have TSPL in the Studios, where they could have easily integrated Buzz, too. I really like the ride, but its location is an absolute catastrophe.
Quote from: "Scissorsboi"But I agree with above, the current need for an E-Ticket addition is Frontierland, it's been too long forgotten. Phantom and BTM hold it together currently, but it feels the least loved area to me.
I think we have the same problem as with Discoveryland: How to add something new without breaking with the storyline of Frontierland? Especially in this land, everything is closely related and part of a sophisticated story, so it will be difficult to integrate a new attraction. And before we get more misplaced toon rides, I could really do without new rides in Frontierland.
Quote from: "Patrick89"I think we have the same problem as with Discoveryland: How to add something new without breaking with the storyline of Frontierland? Especially in this land, everything is closely related and part of a sophisticated story, so it will be difficult to integrate a new attraction. And before we get more misplaced toon rides, I could really do without new rides in Frontierland.
actually a couple of attraction are already blue-sky-planned. A non-song-of-the-south splash mountain planned for the critter corral area, and a drop tower plannet for the area behind the geysers (although this one could be seen as obsolete after they built ToT, as it's decribed it's pretty cool). Imagineer Pat Burke talks about those in this lenghty interview on D&M
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Long time follower but hearing this news had to sing up and tell everyone!
Philippe Gas, Disneyland Paris's CEO, said in L'Express that the next ride in the Disneyland Park (Paris) is going to be Star Tours: The Adventures Continue.
It has already been placed into disneyland california and disneys hollywood studios in 2010 and recantly announced for tokyo disneyland.
Brilliant news for disneyland paris, so excited :D
Yay! And about time, too! Do you have a link to the article? :D
i got the information of Disney Central Plaza Heres the link -
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Welcome to the forum, disneyparis34!
It's a rather vague way they seem to confirm the update, listing it in the A to Z under S: "The attraction will undergo a complete renovation and offer multiple destinations, even as many as 56! All inspired by the most recent Star Wars episodes."
But at least that's some public confirmation it's coming.
That's great news, but when it comes to DLRP I'm always very sceptical about such news and so I still have doubts about it. At least the management is thinking about new rides and upgrading old ones. ST II would makes sense, since all versions around the globe are getting the upgrade.
However the way they announced ST II is very strange, like Anthony already mentioned. I hope it's not another msitake by a French magazine that just looked up Star tours and found the descriptions for the US rides. It wouldn't be the first time that they got the infos wrong, like when they wrote that DLRP would get two rides in 2014.
Surely this update to the attraction is much needed. Even in Paris but we do need to address this with some scepticism for now. I'm still waiting for Jack Sparrow. Although this area of the park hasn't got much going for it now days apart from this very dated attraction. Captain EO is gone for now and so it could do with a boost. And the Star Tours upgrade is great fun.
Quote from: "Malin"Surely this update to the attraction is much needed. Even in Paris but we do need to address this with some scepticism for now. I'm still waiting for Jack Sparrow. Although this area of the park hasn't got much going for it now days apart from this very dated attraction. Captain EO is gone for now and so it could do with a boost. And the Star Tours upgrade is great fun.
As long as there is no evidence of construction or an official announcement by ED SCA, I'm also very sceptical.
Brilliant news if true! :)
That would be great
I wait for an official announcement about this update.
Until then, finger crossed....
I'd love to see an exterior refresh as well, since STII takes place before STI - maybe some nice bronzy finishes to ease the tranition from Victorian visionary to modern move-maker? :lol:
I still think Slash Mountain doesn't fit in DLP, as the weather is just too bad during most parts of the year. Of course you can say, you don't have to ride it on cold days, but in the end, of course you want to try it out ;) I've been to Europa Park last week, it was pretty cold, and I became wet in Fjord Rafting - now I've got a cold for almost a week. If I just imagine, I would have become wet and sick on my first day in DLP, where you usually stay for more than 1-2 days, I would say this wouldn't have been the best experience I could imagine...But as this becomes very off-topic, we should maybe come back to Discoveryland and Star Wars ;)
Quote from: "Patrick89"I still think Slash Mountain doesn't fit in DLP, as the weather is just too bad during most parts of the year. Of course you can say, you don't have to ride it on cold days, but in the end, of course you want to try it out ;) I've been to Europa Park last week, it was pretty cold, and I became wet in Fjord Rafting - now I've got a cold for almost a week. If I just imagine, I would have become wet and sick on my first day in DLP, where you usually stay for more than 1-2 days, I would say this wouldn't have been the best experience I could imagine...But as this becomes very off-topic, we should maybe come back to Discoveryland and Star Wars ;)
Did you take pictures at europa Park. I would appreciate it, if you could post some, because we may stop there on our way to DLRP in September.
As for Splash Mountain, I can see it working in Paris. It works in Tokyo as well, but the ride needs another story. Disney CEO Iger made it clear several times that under is tenure Song of the South will not be used anymore. And in my opinion that theming doesn't fit into our Frontierland. It should be based on something original that connects to Thunder Mesa.
Splash Mountain as been rumoured for so long that it has become apochraphyl. These rumours are highly unlikely to come to fruition for a VERY long time and probably not at all.
No funding and no desire from EuroDisney.
Quote from: "dagobert"Did you take pictures at europa Park. I would appreciate it, if you could post some, because we may stop there on our way to DLRP in September.
I'm sorry, I haven't taken any as I forgot my camera at home...But I wouldn't have had the time anyway, because I've been there with people not taking time to look for details/landscape/atmosphere... Just rushing from one "adrenaline" ride to another. This would have been the nightmare group for DLP ;)
Quote from: "ford prefect"Splash Mountain as been rumoured for so long that it has become apochraphyl. These rumours are highly unlikely to come to fruition for a VERY long time and probably not at all.
No funding and no desire from EuroDisney.
Actually, it was axed ages ago, due to the cold weather and because it's not as popular over here.
Quote from: "Patrick89"I'm sorry, I haven't taken any as I forgot my camera at home...But I wouldn't have had the time anyway, because I've been there with people not taking time to look for details/landscape/atmosphere... Just rushing from one "adrenaline" ride to another. This would have been the nightmare group for DLP ;)
No problem!
As for Splash Mountain it can't see it happen either, at least not in its current version found at Disney Parks around the globe. In my opinion the weather shouldn't be a problem, because it works in Tokyo as well and other European themeparks have flume rides, too. Besides the lack of funding, the theme is also a big problem. As I've mentioned before Song of the South will not be used anymore by Disney and it wouldn't fit the Thunder Mesa theme. WDI has to come up with something new. Since the focus is currently on improvng WDSP, I guess we have to wait at least five more years to see a new ride in DLP. WDI just filed a patent for a new water ride system that should be installed in Shanghai and maybe in the future we get a ride based on that inside DLP.
Quote from: "Josh"Quote from: "ford prefect"Splash Mountain as been rumoured for so long that it has become apochraphyl. These rumours are highly unlikely to come to fruition for a VERY long time and probably not at all.
No funding and no desire from EuroDisney.
Actually, it was axed ages ago, due to the cold weather and because it's not as popular over here.
sorry, i should've been more specific. My statement refers to ALL the current round of rumours including Star Tours, Star Wars Land, Studio re branding etc.
Splash Mountain was never on the original plans or concept, although (IIRC) there was a blue sky for a water park with a volcano theme.
These rumours all fit in the same category as the now almost mystical "third gate". Nice to dream about but never going to happen.
Quote from: "ford prefect"These rumours all fit in the same category as the now almost mystical "third gate". Nice to dream about but never going to happen.
I guess at the end nothing will happen and we will be stuck with Star Tours for another five years and TSMM will turn out to be a small carnival ride addition to TSPL. Over the last ten years there have been so many rumours, some have even been semi-official, like the Hollywood makeover, and nothing happened. At least Ratatouille is turning into reality. It's nice to speculate about such things, but we are still talking about DLP with its huge debt. I will be happy if ST II and TSMM will really come, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen at all.
I'm confused. You all talk about ST2 as if it's still a rumour, but I thought it was officially confirmed by Philippe Gas, in that newspaper article, as the next ride in their plans.
M. Gas did not announce that it WOULD be coming. He announced it COULD be coming. He also stated in the same article that the Third Gate decision might be taken in 2020.
DLP currently has various waivers in place with the Walt Disney Company enabling EuroDisney SCA to use the licenses of the WDW without charge.
Since Star Wars is owned by LucasFilm a different set of licences would need to be negotiated and agreed.
EuroDisney SCA has utilised it's €150million line of credit to fund Dreams and Ratatouille. I really cannot envisage when (before 2014) the company will be in a position to pay back what it owes and establish a new line of credit to afford the upgrade and required license.
Perhaps I am wrong. M. Gas is a very capable man and perhaps he has a cunning plan.
Considering (as I have said before) EuroDisney SCA owes €1.8billion and us shareholders haven't seen any return on our investment, other than increasing debt and magical holidays, I really don't see where the money will come from.
I think DLP has done well just staying open, and I'm impressed when we get anything new like Ratatouille and the wonderfull Dreams. Yet to survive and stay ahead of the game DLP has to build new rides and attractions to keep us fans happy and coming back.
I agree, DLP is almost too big to fail. However there still needs to be new shows and attractions.
Personally I think they should lay off new attractions and invest in shows, entertainment and maintenance. That will keep people coming back more than one new ride every 3 years.
I don't think DLP will ever close, if it was going to it would have closed years ago, it is too big to fail which is a good thing. A new ride every two or three years is about average for most theme parks I believe, and EuroDisney are right to focus on WDS, because the park did need more rides and themeing. I would like to see the Videopolis theatre used for shows again, and I am pleased to see the Tarzan Encounter coming back on, an old, but very good show and way better than nothing.
Quote from: "ford prefect"I agree, DLP is almost too big to fail. However there still needs to be new shows and attractions.
Personally I think they should lay off new attractions and invest in shows, entertainment and maintenance. That will keep people coming back more than one new ride every 3 years.
If DLP would have closed it would have been in 1994, but thankfully Disney could negotiate a new contract with the banks and the French Government. I'm also glad they took the risk and added another $100 mio to the resort and built the fantastic SM and not a copy of the lame US coasters. Back then Disney risked a lot more with the new ride technology than today and that brought us the wonderful attraction. According to Tim Delaney and Michael Eisner SM saved the resort. Does someone know if SM is still owned directly by TWDC or did ED SCA buy it?
Investing in new shows is a good way to bring people back, but it needs more than just cheap stage shows we have seen in recent years. DLP needs shows like The Lion King, but unfortunately the food department doesn't want to lose the Videopolis space.
I hope DLP continues to refurb the parks and invests in more maintenance programms, because not everything in the parks is already in a good shape. Even the journalists noticed peeling colour during the press event. Thankfully Disney did a lot to improve the park during the last year, but that doesn't mean they can relax now.
Few people realise quite how close DLP in 2004.
The Hedge Funds were clamoring at the gates and there was a very real chance the park would shut down.
I think this indirectly lead to Andre Lacroix being replaced as CEO.
I think most people believe that 1994 was the real low point, but no. The resort barely made its way past its tenth birthday.
I know that the financial situation has been pretty bad in 2004, but I didn't expect it to be that bad. I know that led to the financial restructuring of 2005. I read the book Disney War which covers Michael Eisners tenure and departured from TWDC and that book only mentioned the 1994 situation. According to the book, even the French secret service was involved by planting telephone bugs in the Euro Disney offices. I don't know if that's true. However that booked showed a very dark periode of DLRP.
Quote from: "dagobert"If DLP would have closed it would have been in 1994, but thankfully Disney could negotiate a new contract with the banks and the French Government. I'm also glad they took the risk and added another $100 mio to the resort and built the fantastic SM and not a copy of the lame US coasters. Back then Disney risked a lot more with the new ride technology than today and that brought us the wonderful attraction. According to Tim Delaney and Michael Eisner SM saved the resort. Does someone know if SM is still owned directly by TWDC or did ED SCA buy it?
AFAIK all attractions and facilities in the park are owned and operated by Euro Disney SCA, a subsidery of The Walt Disney Company.
The ownership of DLP is incredibly complex and is split between several phased financing companies, Prince Al-Walid and the other shareholders of Euro Disney SCA.
Space Mountain was financed in the same way that Ratatouille is today. A line of credit from TWDC.
The 2004 debacle lead to the Lion King show. That significantly increased attendance.
Characters are essentially "rented" from TWDC which means that everytime a new character or costume for an established character appear Euro Disney SCA has to pay royalties to TWDC.
The waiver of these royalties has kept the resort operational.
As a matter of interest, it is Euro Disney SCA that is the indebted company, not TWDC. One could therefore envisage a future where Euro DIsney SCA fails, leaving billions in debt and TWDC takes over a debt free park but the bad will would be enormous. This is why TWDC keeps the resort afloat.
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This link is all I could find in the time I have had. The panic was real!
Ford, I'm not sure about SM. I don't know if someone from MiceChat or from LaughingPlace who works with WDI, said that WDI still owns SM and leases it to ED SCA. I can't find the topic anymore, but he was very certain.
I know about the fees of the characters and the waivers, but I'm also not sure if ED SCA could go bankrupt and TWDC could take over a debt free resort. Isn't there a French Law that prohibits Disney from taking over the whole company.
I haven't read the link, but I remember well how bad things have been in the past at EuroDisney, and that has always been my biggest worry, although I know how important maintenance is.
Unfortunately the link doesn't work.
The financial position of EuroDisney is very complex, and I just don't want to see a repeat of 1994 and 2004 when the resort faced bankrupcy.
Quote from: "dagobert"Unfortunately the link doesn't work.
Sorry, try it again!
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/co ... _mz054.htm (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_48/b3860059_mz054.htm%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Thanks for the link, Ford.
It makes you think, that even in 2004 people already complained about the shabby Disney hotels. It took them another seven years to really start refreshing the rooms and these still can't be compared with US Disney hotel rooms. I know that the finacial situation was bad, but I'm not sure if that woman stays again at a Disney hotel.
Do you remeber the Swiss company Center-Tainment trying to take over Euro Disney SCA?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spi ... 17,00.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,453917,00.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Maybe bad financial performance equals shabby Disney hotels (although I must say I never found the hotels that bad) that's the challenge for EuroDisney, but in the end they did manage to refresh the hotel rooms. Didn't that turn out to be a joke, a Swiss company trying to take over EuroDisney?
Yeah it turned out to be a bad joke, because that company didn't know what they are doing.
For me the hotels were always fine until I stayed at WDW and saw that even the cheapest hotels offered a better quality than Sequoia Lodge. And thanks to my girlfriend's work, we had to stay in many hotels recently and paid a fraction of the money and got a better quality than Sequoia Lodge. I like that hotel a lot, but even the new rooms don't convince me.
I can remember the one occasion when EuroDisney paid dividends to shareholders, which makes me lucky or old, I'll go for the former. But that's what was ment to happen, shareholders getting a return on their investment, not just a shareholders club card, as good as that is and new rides. I look forward to the day the company starts to turn a healthy profit.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Maybe bad financial performance equals shabby Disney hotels (although I must say I never found the hotels that bad) that's the challenge for EuroDisney, but in the end they did manage to refresh the hotel rooms. Didn't that turn out to be a joke, a Swiss company trying to take over EuroDisney?
It was suspected as an attempt at market manipulation, meaning they could have been trying to affect the market price either of shares they owned or wanted to purchase. It was never really about buying our EuroDisney in any way as they probably knew all along, but a spurious press announcement can have significant effects on shares........(allegedly :) )
Quote from: "ed-uk"I can remember the one occasion when EuroDisney paid dividends to shareholders, which makes me lucky or old, I'll go for the former. But that's what was ment to happen, shareholders getting a return on their investment, not just a shareholders club card, as good as that is and new rides. I look forward to the day the company starts to turn a healthy profit.
I don't remember a dividend! When was that? I have been a member for a long while, but either I am going mad or it happened before I joined!
Can you remember when it was paid?
@dopeydad The Swiss thing was a very strange episode, but I agree, markets are manipulated!
It must of happend before you joined, I think it was about 1991/92. I've been a shareholder since 1989, when the shares were first sold to the public.
Ah, I joined in 1996!
I missed out going on the new Star Tours right in Cal - so it would be amazing if it was coming here! Even if it isn't "adventures continued" a new story would be nice.
My friends however did go on it in Cal and they said it's pretty awesome.
Fingers Crossed.
Looks like Disney and more author Alain Littaye has dome some digging over at DLPI, and confirms that a Star Wars mini land seems to be in development, with rumours of Mos Eisley cantina replacing Pizza Planet and a Jedi Academy-style meet and greet to replace EO.
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... yland.html (http://disneyandmore.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/star-wars-land-coming-to-disneyland.html%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Whilst I don't think the aesthetic style of Stars Wars fits (nor does it really fit into the theme of Discoveryland at all, it'd be MUCH better in the Studios, but HEY!) it sounds exactly what Discoveryland news to get it back into gear - if they do this, perhaps they'll plus the retro-future style half of the land.
As long as the exterior of Star Tours is plussed to fit in with Space Mountain and The Hyperion Theatre, to fix what I think is a dreadful slash of styles in that wee area, I'd be happy. With Buzz already in there, more Star Wars might just add to the weird diluted, hodgepodge of stories that Discoveryland seems to becoming, so it would have to be done right.
It makes a lot of sense for DLP though.
I hope this is true, because I'm really looking forward to the Cantina. And I'm with you, WDI should use the same colour scheme of SM to match the area. Buzz should also get a new colour to match Orbitron and Autopia.
Currently Discoveryland is such a mix of themes. Unfortunatel moving Buzz to WDSP isn't going to happen. It would fit so much better over there. The ride rally ruined the look and theme of the front part of the land.
Quote from: "Columbiad"Whilst I don't think the aesthetic style of Stars Wars fits (nor does it really fit into the theme of Discoveryland at all, it'd be MUCH better in the Studios, but HEY!)
Actually old Star Wars Empire/Rebels aesthetics (the one that we have now) doesn't fit, but a more prequel-ish look i think would not clash at all (i'm thinking mostly of Coruscant, but all the tech from that period too). But yeah, having Star Wars at the studios would be perfect.
Q
Although I'd be very sad to see Star Tours become Star Tours 2 (I much prefer the traditional miniature model sfx and original trilogy theme) I think this is a fantastic idea that dlp would be silly not to implement. The back of discoveryland has a real problem- it's just dead space. Pizza Planet has absolutely no appeal and it doesn't fit thematically, the 3d cinema needs to find a new purpose and Star Tours (unfortunately) is a bit long in the tooth.
Extending the StarWars theme further up the back of the land is a great idea- and I don't buy the arguments that it wouldnt fit in with the discoveryland theme for one minute:
Discoveryland is about different visions of the future from history: the left hand side and centre was the verne-welles vision, the right hand side (with autopia) is the 1950s vision and at the back it is the modern vision (with StarTours)- that's the concept behind discoveryland and its a concept that Star Wars is, and should be, very much a part of.
Also, having a a new 'land' they can advertise would be a great boon for the resort on a par with Harry Potter Land at universal. They'd be silly not to do it.
QuoteIn my opinion Discoveryland was ruined in 2005 with the addition of Buzz Lightyear. I know many will disagree, but that ride shouldn't be there. It is a nice attraction and I also enjoy it, but WDI should have put it into WDSP.
A Star Wars mini land would be nice, because that area behind SM feels like a dead zone.
I agree the Buzz Lightyear ride is out of place with the rest of Discoveryland and took some of that Victorian/Steampunk feel out of the land. The space behind SM is a dead space and when I visited Pizza Planet earlier this month it was quite shabby looking.
It would be nice to finally have the Little Mermaid dark ride but with the building of Ratatouille right now I doubt it will happen in the forseeable future.
Quote from: "Monksbain"It would be nice to finally have the Little Mermaid dark ride but with the building of Ratatouille right now I doubt it will happen in the forseeable future.
But that would be a Fantasyland ride...
Hi,
This rumour seems to have exploded today. It's been covered on various IT/Technology websites (most as if it's fact):.
The Register: Star Wars set to expand into Disneyland
//http://www.reghardware.com/2012/04/30/star_wars_set_to_expand_disneyland_paris/
Techrader: One More Thing: Star Wars Land
//http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/one-more-thing-star-wars-land-1078200
Slashfilm: Star Wars Land Rumoured to Open in Disneyland Paris in 2015
//http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-land-rumored-open-disneyland-paris-2015/
Iain
I think it's a great idea! Right now, Star Tours is hidden behind the Space Mountain and with Captain EO closed, not a lot of people where at that area last time I went. Also the Star Tours entrance is really hard to find, lol.
But because Star Tours is so hidden behind the Space Mountain, a Star Wars land would not really interfere with the current Jules Verne theme.
Star Tours 2 would be great for the park.
I wonder how they would localise it. Is there a similar amount of dialogue to the old ride?
Great news, I´ve done the (one of the rides) ride in Orlando and it's really good.
So here is my experiance from a recent trip to DLP
I was waiting for my wife and little girl outside a toilet in WDS (I know they are there if you look for them) and one of the market research cast members spotted me and came over for a chat. I don't think I was in the group he was looking for but after me telling him this was by far not my first trip he then offered some inside information. "See that crane down there" he said. "what the one to build Ratatouille?" I said. "Oh you've read about that. We did the research on what people want to see in a resturant for that" he said. No news so far but then he said. "We should see it open in 2014 and we will be getting Star Tours 2 as well". When I asked if there was definante he said I should read the blogs but I didn't ask him about Star Tours he offered that infomation on his own. I wonder if the research around resturants was how he knew about it given that the word is a revamp of Pizza Plannet is part of the plan. Now that is a jump I know but for a cast member to talk about Star Tours so positively has to be good news.
Anyhoo take it with a pinch of salt as ever but I had to let you know about my conversation.
Thanks for the info. :) So it looks like Star Tours TAC will be arriving in 2014, along with Ratatouille. It sounds like it's going to be a great year. Until then, they might extend their 20th anniversary.
I don't think he meant Star Tours would come 2014 just that it was comming in the near-ish future.
Definitely not in 2014, things seem to be pointing towards 2015. If they extend the 20th into 2013, then they would then only need to fill 2016 to bridge the gap completely until the 25th Anniversary, meaning we hopefully won't see any desperate filler festivals like we had between the 15th and 20th...
Thanks for the gossip DisneyObsessive!
Should I merge this topic in with the Star Wars land talk, so we can discuss it all in one place?
How long was it down at DHS?
Just from riding both, it really isn't a "huge" upgrade, its a better experience but the technology is all there. I rode the new version at DHS, and three month later the Paris version and can't say its not groundbreakingly new.
Quote from: "Anthony"Should I merge this topic in with the Star Wars land talk, so we can discuss it all in one place?
Makes sense, since they're supposedly part of the same expansion. ;)
You rode Star Tours 2 and "can't say its not groundbreakingly new". So then it IS groundbreakingly new, right?
DHS was down for 8 to 9 months to replace it. They'd need to replace the projections to 3D, renew the queue to fit the new theme, refurbish the existing simulators and change out rex and other on board effects. I think the Paris change over may be quicker as slightly less testing may be involved and they may not change the queue structure as much but it'd still be a fair time before it would be up and running after going down.
This is a video of it for those who don't know, albeit this is only one of the several options you can get, spoilers within.
[youtube:37zziiof]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDB4tUMrPfg[/youtube:37zziiof]
Quote from: "Alan"You rode Star Tours 2 and "can't say its not groundbreakingly new". So then it IS groundbreakingly new, right?
Very poor English on my behalf, sorry :)
I meant it wasn't "that much better" to simplify.
It had 3D effects, but then those will just be taken straight as they are from DHS, with some French audio overlay, can be done while the current version is in action.
Queue structure is very nice in Paris, some touch ups and it'd be more than suitable enough.
The ride vehicles are very similar, but I had forgotten the screen/presenting area was different - that may be a few weeks work.
Quote from: "Josh"Quote from: "Anthony"Should I merge this topic in with the Star Wars land talk, so we can discuss it all in one place?
Makes sense, since they're supposedly part of the same expansion. ;)
I've merged several together. Managed to trace our Star Tours upgrade talk back to 2005. That could be a full 10 years before it actually happens!
So will DIsney just leave Captain EO closed for 2 years, before they begin construction on this Star Wars Land (that isn't a land)?
Having some fun conceptualizing the idea:
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Quote from: "RandySavage"Having some fun conceptualizing the idea:
Oh, i'd love this. I've never thought of a more secluded "Tatooine" area behind the track (never bothered to check out pizza planet). Then they could refit the Star Tours/Captain EO area in a more Coruscant style, that would fit better the Discoveryland look, and use it as a transition to the Tatooine (at that point, in my opinion, they should move the X-Wing in the cantina area, 'cause they fit better together timeline wise). But yeah, probably it's just wishful thinking =)
Q
PS: Randy, i love the passion you put in you projects m/
Just going to breathe a bit of life back into these rumours with the great news that Disney is buying Lucasfilm and is hoping to make a sequel trilogy!
It's exciting news in itself, but I'd draw your attention to a comment by Jay Rasulo in Disney's press release that says:
Quote"...We also expect to utilize Star Wars in other businesses including Parks & Resorts, in games and in our television business. These initiatives were also considered in our valuation."
I imagine it would certainly make building a Star Wars Land a good idea!
Here's the presser for you to read more http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney- ... asfilm-ltd (http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd%22%20target=%22_blank%22%20rel=%22nofollow)
Today's announcement is going to fuel speculation about new Star Wars projects for the parks. Obviously now Disney has helped to re finance the debts at the struggling Euro Disney. This is going to free up money to help fund these Star Wars projects. I think Hong Kong and Shanghai will be the parks to benefit the most from this deal. But the preasure will be on for Disney to make the most out of this deal and so its only a matter of time before Paris recieves the change over. This is a very exciting time!
Here's an update from the Disney Investors' conference call.
UPDATE – 3 PM: Here are new and updated details on this deal from the official Disney investors' conference call this afternoon:
Deal signed and announced earlier today – includes Star Wars franchise and all Lucasfilm operating businesses.
Indiana Jones franchise rights ARE also included in this deal.
First project under the joint under Disney/Lucas partnership will be Star Wars: Episode 7 in 2015, followed by Episode 8 and Episode 9.
Disney purchased "extensive and detailed" treatment for at least Episode 7 (and possibly Episodes 8 and 9 as well) as part of this deal which they "feel very good about."
Disney long term plan is to release a new live-action Star Wars film every 2-3 years – films may eventually explore entire 20,000 year time-span of the franchise.
Lucas will serve as creative consultant on new Star Wars films. Kathleen Kennedy will executive produce.
Kennedy will serve as Lucasfilm president, reporting to Bob Iger at Disney.
Disney plans to expand Star Wars brand into many new product categories and internationally.
Star Wars brand will also be expanded into Disney parks, games and TV businesses.
Deal was 50% cash and 50% stock – $4.05 billion
Disney believes Lucasfilm value is comparable to value of Marvel, but valuation is only based on Star Wars alone – other Lucasfilm intellectual properties are in addition to this.
Sorry if this post is borderline armchair imagineering, but I was thinking about the layout of this much rumored DLP expansion. At first i wasn't too happy about the news of a retheme of the backside of Discoveryland to a Star Wars mini land. Discoveryland is such a cool land, but right now its theme has been quite muddled (and the Star Tours/Captain EO area has always been the weak one). But then occurred to me, since they've seen that attractions updates don't bring big crowds (à la SM:M2), they may realize that for Star Tours II to be a big hit they may be willing to spend a little more and cut the logistical legacy with the old attraction. The way to do so would be making the current Star Tours facade to be only Discoveryland backdrop (maybe developing a better Discoveryland Station), and going the Toontown way putting all this new land beyond the berm. I made some quick notes on a Google Maps screenshot:
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The fat red line would be the rerouting of Star Tours queue (through what should be current Captain EO exit lane), the think black line it's the limit of the onstage area of this new land.
This way we could end up having a better Discoveryland (i'm always been pissed that the steam train would stop in the non-steampunk area of the land... such a waste!) and a fully immersive Mos Eisley enviroment (if they have learnt something about fully immersive lands with the Cars Land lesson)
Doing so would look to be much more expensive than retheming only the currents facades, but Tatooine is a desert planet, and Mos Eisley is mostly made of boxy adobe buildings like this:
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and right now Star Tours backstage looks like this:
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So well, my theory is that Mos Eisley over the berm at DLP could be the less expensive new land EVER.
Hope this post makes sense outside my head
Q
Hi
I've just read another post about pizza planet closing to make way for a star wars themed area. Does anyone know if this is happening? If so when.
Thanks everybody
There's not going to be a Star Wars area for a while.
Stars Tours 2 is coming in 2015, and Space Mountain Mission 3 in 2016.
Contracts have been signed for those two. But nu Star Wars Land for the next couple of years at least.
Thankyou dlrp wonders. X
Quote from: DLRPWonders on March 20, 2014, 03:28:43 PM
There's not going to be a Star Wars area for a while.
Stars Tours 2 is coming in 2015, and Space Mountain Mission 3 in 2016.
Contracts have been signed for those two. But nu Star Wars Land for the next couple of years at least.
Is there any proof for those?
Quote from: spacemountainplatypi on March 21, 2014, 01:27:46 AM
Is there any proof for those?
Not for "visitors" to see. I can't give you my source, but trust me that it's a reliable source from within.
It is happening, it's just not officially announced yet. Contracts have been signed not too long ago.
Quote from: DLRPWonders on March 21, 2014, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: spacemountainplatypi on March 21, 2014, 01:27:46 AM
Is there any proof for those?
Not for "visitors" to see. I can't give you my source, but trust me that it's a reliable source from within.
It is happening, it's just not officially announced yet. Contracts have been signed not too long ago.
Hmm ok, I'm extremely intrigued.
What's star tours 2 ? And whenstar wars land does get built what will most likely be in it ?
Star Wars Rebels meet-n-greet area.
Any rides ? I mean that's what actually attracts people to disneyland
Quote from: irishbhoy1888 on June 10, 2014, 11:58:40 AM
Any rides ? I mean that's what actually attracts people to disneyland
Have you seen the queues for the princess pavilion, meet spiderman and the duffy meet n greet?
Quote from: irishbhoy1888 on June 10, 2014, 03:01:59 AM
What's star tours 2 ? And whenstar wars land does get built what will most likely be in it ?
Star Tours 2 is the next chapter of the ride's story and it's in 3D. Orlando, California and Tokyo already have it. The rumours say apart from Star Tours 2 replacing the original version, there are plans to transform what is now the Captain EO theater, the Star Traders shop, as well as the Pizza Planet restaurant to create a Star Wars land.
I believe we will see Star Tours 2 and the Jedi Training Academy in the near future, not sure if there will be a Star Wars mini land though... Only time will tell!
Sounds very, very interesting! Good to have new things in DLRP.
Quote from: spacemountainplatypi on June 10, 2014, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: irishbhoy1888 on June 10, 2014, 11:58:40 AM
Any rides ? I mean that's what actually attracts people to disneyland
Have you seen the queues for the princess pavilion, meet spiderman and the duffy meet n greet?
People won't be attracted to the park with a meet and greet ! Yes they will be busy when there but they don't look who they can meet when booking the trip , they look for ride attractions !
Just see how busy the park becomes once ratatouille opens .
Not sure if anyone saw this, but it's promising.
http://www.endorexpress.net/2014/07/rumours-say-st2-to-happen-in-paris/
Well there you go, we all knew it already:
http://radiodisneyclub.fr/star-tours-2-disneyland-paris/ (http://radiodisneyclub.fr/star-tours-2-disneyland-paris/)
http://dlrpexpress.fr/article-MarkSteadconfirmeStarToursII (http://dlrpexpress.fr/article-MarkSteadconfirmeStarToursII)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Fairly terrible secret and about time too!
Its a 9 month refurb though. Hopefully they've found a way to speed up the upgrade. 3D is unnecessary on it IMO.
My french is not up to much but the current one will close in January 2016.
This is something I am very excited about... Only three years to wait!
Well, in case somebody doesn't understand French:
-Star Tours will close in January 2016 for a little over a year (apparently at Tokyo Disneyland it closed for 13 months).
-They'll spend at least 150 million, not only in the attraction but also on everything else Star Wars related they're building. That's what they spent on La Place de Rémy and the Ratatouille attraction.
-Star Tours 2 will get brand new images from the first two trilogies AND from the Star Wars VII film.
-They will also start the first phase of a Star Wars land, including a Star Wars meet n greet where the Star Traders shop is, the largest shop exclusively dedicated to Star Wars, a Cantina restaurant and a second attraction.
-In January 2015 they'll start work on Vidéopolis, most likely to turn it into the Jedy Academy.
(Hope my English didn't make it even more difficult to understand! ;) )
I don't like 3D, to be honest. I get enough motion sickness as it is ;)
Thanks for the translation!!! :) I really need to learn french... I should have taken it in school while i had the opportunity... :(
Yay!! :D :D :D :D
Thank you for the translation Esti, that all sounds fantastic!
We're just about to go on a long DLRP trip (Dec-Jan), though this will be our last for a long while as we want to save up and "do" Florida and California properly whilst our kids are still young.
This sounds like a great "excuse" to come back to DLRP in 2017 as we all love Star Wars :D I'm hoping that with the new cash injection and support from Disney they'll really overhaul, clean up and fix everything before we eventually come back. That might really be the last time before our kids get jobs and lives of their own... they grow up so fast :-\
I really hope that once the original Star Tours is gone for good, they finally release a DVD or high quality upload of the the film, and copies of all the posters/artwork etc. I love Star Tours and it would be a crime if it was gone forever... that said I'm very excited to ride Mission 2, especially if they are adding more themeing and areas to the park nearby :)
Has anyone heard any rumours or confirmation of when star tours is closing for its big refurbishment?
Am planning on taking the kids (7 and 3) in mid November 2015 presumi that the christmas season has started. Apparently Big Thunder Mountain and IASW will both be closed at this time and Star Tours being closed as well would probably be a deal breaker for me.
Thanks in advance!
According to ED92, Star Tours will close from mid-March 2016 to mid-March 2017. Of course these dates are subject to change.
Quote from: msRavenswood on January 14, 2015, 11:42:21 AM
According to ED92, Star Tours will close from mid-March 2016 to mid-March 2017. Of course these dates are subject to change.
Lovely - thank you. Obviously there will still be short term refurbishments but eurostar tickets go on sale from 22nd Jan so that is good info to know.
On our resent trip I was talking to a very nice cast member at the star tours shop and she began telling me about the star wars area remodel and star tours upgrade starting next year apparently the shop is moving to the end of star tours were the video games air hockey are at the moment and they are creating a larger themed star wars area with character meet and greet etc sounded very good to a star wars geek like me ;D
Eeeeeep, we were thinking our last trip might be December 2016, but with news like that we are going to HAVE to see what that area is like when it is all done!
Thank you for sharing. ;D
Excited :))) can't wait for our 2017 DLP trip, we were going back in 2016 but with all the rumours of rides being closed etc we thought we'd wait, plus it's the 25th anniversary so Defo not missing that :))
The wife has said after eight years in a row we are giving Disney a rest for a few years! So I said ok you can have the rest of this year and next year (only because I've heard BTM is closed next year) 2017 sounds good to me ;D
Yeah, we'll definitetly go back in 2017 for the 25th anniversary and to see all the new Star Wars stuff - I'm a real nut for Star Wars and the kids love it too, so can't wait. Although I'm a little sad to lose the original Star Tours, More theming and improved ride and shops is very welcome. I just hope they stick to the original plan of including Rex in the pre-show/queing area - it would be sad to lose him completely!
The last flight to Endor will depart pn March 16th next year. Which is unfortunate, since we won't be arriving until the 20th.
I heard they're keeping it open a little longer, so you may still be able to do last flight to Endor :)
I saw the ride video of the upgrade they did in Tokyo, if that's what we're going to get, I will be DISPLEASED!
Hands off Rex people!
I've got a full transcript and English translation of the Star Tours: Merci et Bon Voyage! Presentation, for anyone that's interested. This was the presentation Imagineer Laurent Cayuela gave on 16 March 2016, inside Videopolis Theatre at Disneyland Paris, as part of the Last Call for the Endor Express event.
Star Tours: Merci et Bon Voyage! Presentation
https://medium.com/@CafeFantasia/star-tours-merci-et-bon-voyage-43f72e3d330a#.1wmnl2iz5
I was surprised to see not just star tours, but also the shop next to it walled off by a fence. Wouldn't have thought that they'd close that too, since all the star wars merch always sells so well
They have moved a lot of the merch i.e. droid building etc to the Disney Store in the village :)
Quote from: CafeFantasia on April 01, 2016, 06:35:50 PM
I've got a full transcript and English translation of the Star Tours: Merci et Bon Voyage
Thank you very much for the English translation, great to be able to enjoy the ceremony.
Forgive me if this has already been posted and I've missed it, but DLPToday has a really interesting post with pictures of the planned re-design of the area here: http://www.dlptoday.com/2016/05/09/plans-reveal-redesigned-star-tours-exterior-new-star-wars-boutique-character-location/
Quote from: samuelvictor on May 17, 2016, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: CafeFantasia on April 01, 2016, 06:35:50 PM
I've got a full transcript and English translation of the Star Tours: Merci et Bon Voyage
Thank you very much for the English translation, great to be able to enjoy the ceremony.
Forgive me if this has already been posted and I've missed it, but DLPToday has a really interesting post with pictures of the planned re-design of the area here: http://www.dlptoday.com/2016/05/09/plans-reveal-redesigned-star-tours-exterior-new-star-wars-boutique-character-location/
T'ha l you Samuel for the link.
Wow, I can't really tell you why, but I feel like I'm going to miss the old arcade at the end of the ride. I used to play something once every visit (especially Star Wars themed games, of course) but I understand that probably it was a space not fully utilized, since I don't think many people where spending money on the arcade games.
I also liked where the space x wing was before, but overall I have to admit that a re-imagining of the area was needed.
Good the idea of the meet and greet area, I hope that they wil turn videopolis, criminally underused, into a Cantina style restaurant, keeping of course the Jedi academy within itself. Maybe add some cantina band animatronics too!
No problem :)
Heck yeah anything with animatronics is always cool with me!
I too feel its a shame to lose the arcade but realistically it has become more and more barren and irrelevant as the years have gone by - when I last went in Jan 2015 there were only about 5 games there and only one that was Star Wars related. There was loads of empty space and it felt like a disused warehouse - very different to just a few years earlier. Turning the area into a big shop selling Disney / Star Wars stuff is actually a welcome change for me. I love Star Traders, but to have it expanded would be cool - like the themed shops after Tower of Terror, Art of Animation, Buzz Lightyear and Pirates. Re-puposing the Star Traders building as a character meet and greet is also a good idea, I feel.
However, I'm not 100% happy with the moving of the X-Wing to be landed on top of Star Traders - I feel the angle doesn't show it off and it won't feel as dynamic - and everyone knows the X-Wings look cooler with the wings open, not closed ;)
By the way (again, forgive me if this has already been posted) Kris Van de Sande made a fantastic 5 part documentary / time capsule of the original Paris Star Tours before it closed, perfectly preserving all of the pre-show videos, audio and animatronics in fantastic detail. For those (like me) who will miss it dearly, this is a wonderful tribute. The first video is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aESR6y65MI and the other 4 parts are of course on his Youtube account.
Wow, thanks for sharing. I'm probably in the minority but I really like the plans. Granted, I think the X-Wing could/should have open wings, or failing that different ship from the franchise to do something different. But I think it will look great from the railroad regardless.
I love the idea of having the shop, and I'm even more in love with the meet and great. So needed and a fantastic use of that space. Though I will miss Star Traders.
The first thing that that really struck me about the plans is the new entrance. At first I wasn't too sure, but I think once it's in the environment it will fit. It also gives a much more clear entrance to Star Tours than I think was there before. Now all they need is to do something about the old EO/HISTA building and that area will feel so much better.
Quote from: jeakat24 on May 17, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Now all they need is to do something about the old EO/HISTA building and that area will feel so much better.
Agreed. In the short term, they are going to use it for a "Short Film Festival" where they show Disney & Pixar shorts (which in my mind is preferable to the Ant Man "preview" or EO) but they could really help the theming of the area by adding another Star Wars themed attraction or restaurant.
Will the new star tours be in 3d ? and is it true that there are many different variations and tours you will be able to go on .
Quote from: irishbhoy1888 on May 18, 2016, 01:24:11 AM
Will the new star tours be in 3d ? and is it true that there are many different variations and tours you will be able to go on .
Yes, it will be the same as currently in Disneyland California. I have been on this many times. There is a 3D glasses pick up area just before you get put into a pod line up, similar to the way in Ratatouille.
There are about 10 different versions on random loop. They all start the same and end the same but take you on a different adventure. They have now put in a Force Awakens scene into the rotation as well.
Yes as bad-pink-tink says, it is in 3D and has multiple destinations.
From what I've heard, after the opening (which is near identical but sometimes has very minor changes, ie sometimes has Boba Fett), there are 2 main sections for each ride, the first is randomly chosen out of 5 or so, and the second is randomly chosen out of a different 5 or so. They cover the timeline between episode 3 and 4 so can contain elements from the prequels and original trilogy, though they have recently added at least one new section based on episode 7. (so not only are you travelling in space, also in time ::) ??? 8) ).
There will be a total of 54 different possible experiences in the new Star Tours at DLP :)
Quote from: bad-pink-tink on May 18, 2016, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: irishbhoy1888 on May 18, 2016, 01:24:11 AM
Will the new star tours be in 3d ? and is it true that there are many different variations and tours you will be able to go on .
Yes, it will be the same as currently in Disneyland California. I have been on this many times. There is a 3D glasses pick up area just before you get put into a pod line up, similar to the way in Ratatouille.
There are about 10 different versions on random loop. They all start the same and end the same but take you on a different adventure. They have now put in a Force Awakens scene into the rotation as well.
Cool 😎. Can't wait for a go
Quote from: bad-pink-tink on May 18, 2016, 10:24:06 AM
There is a 3D glasses pick up area just before you get put into a pod line up, similar to the way in Ratatouille.
tbh, this has me a little disappointed, knowing that there is lready technology available to have 3d effect without needing the glasses
Quote from: Thaliel on August 15, 2016, 12:50:00 AM
tbh, this has me a little disappointed, knowing that there is lready technology available to have 3d effect without needing the glasses
Not really, we're not quite there yet - I watched a technology video about it on the BBC news channel just a couple of days ago.
The technology used on the 3DS and 3D TVs that require no glasses is limited to small screens, and has a very slim viewing angle. The equivalent technology doesn't work on larger screens, because the angle of viewing from one corner to another is different, and also the angles are different for each viewer, as the seats are in different positions. There are the same problems with the "special paint"/fabric soloutions and lenticular versions. They work perfectly for very small images (hense why they are often used on collector's cards, DVD covers, phone cases etc) but don't scale well at all for larger sizes/
The reason the 3d effect is much better on the "New 3DS" over the standard one, is that it uses its forward facing cameras to track where your face is, and adjusts the 3d settings accordingly to accomodate for subtle changes in where your head is and where your eyes are looking. This only works for one person, and is not applicable to a cinema or large scale simulator like Star Tours. However, this kind of technology has been used for the latest versions of single rider simulators with smaller screens (like the one you pay to use in arcades).
There is another technology that can be used for larger screens and multiple viewers, and its being experimented with in various cinemas in Asia, but it is very limited and massively affects the brightness, contrast and colour levels possible, and has a tendency to cause headaches, motion sickness etc again because of the fact the "correct" viewing angle for everyone will be slightly different.
We're 80% of the way to having this work, but not quite there yet for a perfect solution that would work for these kinds of rides.
Anyone any update on the reopening yet or is it still saying March.
I'm going in Feb so crossing my fingers
Yes, I'd really like to know if its planned to be re-openned in time for at least some of the "Season of the Force" (14th Jan to 26th March). Seems strange for it not to be...
Usually if they say March, its more likely to ve delayed than early. Chances are it will be still closed 😔
Quote from: irishbhoy1888 on August 28, 2016, 12:42:14 PM
Usually if they say March, its more likely to ve delayed than early. Chances are it will be still closed 😔
Yeah, I'm enclined to believe that as well. Seems a missed opportunity to not use the Star Wars season as a way to launch the new ride...
From what I've seen, they've done a great job with Star Tours. Although I prefer the original version of the attraction, there's no doubt it really needed a freshen up.
Here's a vid (not the attraction).
**Spoilers ahead**
https://youtu.be/qt8RFtkWe2w
It looks great! Can't wait to ride it.
From what i've heard the complete attraction is in French. Don't know if it will stay that way. But it seems to be an odd choice and I hope the idea of doing this won't spread to other attractions.
Quote from: mickey1980 on March 20, 2017, 05:42:22 PM
It looks great! Can't wait to ride it.
From what i've heard the complete attraction is in French. Don't know if it will stay that way. But it seems to be an odd choice and I hope the idea of doing this won't spread to other attractions.
I have to say I don't have much of an issue with this. It's a French park and the percentage of UK visitors seems to have declined in recent years. The park caters for English speakers really well but it doesn't bother me is some attractions are purely in French - more motivation to keep learning the language for me!
DLP always did a wonderful job combining English and French in a way so everybody with a basic understanding of the language could follow the storyline. It worked for almost 25 years. So why the sudden change?
Btw, I'm Dutch and speak 4 languages. French being one of them ;)
From the trailer shown the information titles are in English too. I can't imagine them having one language only in any show so I wouldn't worry.
Just returned from an absence and I am really excited for Star Tours to reopen it's services once more in Paris. I mean 3 other Spaceports are already offering services to Spaceport THX1138 (consult this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Tours:_The_Adventures_Continue (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Tours:_The_Adventures_Continue)for more info) on Planet Earth. One thing I would absolutely LOVE is for DLP to do an opening video much-like Disneyland Resort did when the first Adventures Continues opened. Darth Vader goes to Disneyland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4_dZPVg8KI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4_dZPVg8KI)
Anywho I look forward to many flights with Star Tours this summer.
We've just returned from a few days at Disney and the new Star Tours is superb. We rode it three times, had the same intro section twice, a different middle action section each time (one was Chewbacca's home world, the next was pod racing and the last was following the Millennium Falcon on the first flight scene from The Force Awakens), all three were excellent. It then had a slightly different end section but most of it seemed the same. Either way, we loved it.
However, beside a single spoken line in the queue video the ENTIRE experience is purely in French, in fact it's very odd they have the single sentence to be honest. There is a lot you miss in the queue because of this as CP-3O and the other robots are making lots of jokes as you queue, but despite this it wasn't a big downside and the ride itself, while again all in French is more obvious to understand what's going on. There are written English notices on the destination board, but that's the only exception.
The queuing area with the luggage scanning is brilliant and has lots of fun elements in, you're actually sad the queue moves on at that point. We had four of the six ships operating on Wednesday, but it all seemed to be running very smoothly. Queue time was down to 15 minutes most of the day.
Yeah seriously, why NOT make this into an Bilingual attraction instead? Like they did it with Cinemagique and the original Star Tours back in 1992?
We've just come back from a great week (3rd-7th) and Star Tours was one of our highlights. The improvements are out of this world (do you see what I did there?) - and the fact that you should get a different ride each time makes you want to keep going back to it. If you're lucky you may even appear on the screen / side screen!
Our favourites were escaping from Darth at the start, visiting Hoth and Naboo, and everyones favourite Bounty Hunter!
I think there were only 1 or 2 scenes that we didn't see!
Its part of the magic hours, so we bounced between it and Buzz a couple of mornings - great stuff!
The queues did get up to 45 mins a few times, but the fast passes didnt run out as quickly as Big Thunder Mountain which were normally all gone by 1230.
And don't forget to go and visit Mr Vader next door to the ride - we go lucky on the day we arrived and just walked straight in - no queue!
On Thursday the 30th of March 2017, I finally got to ride the new version of Star Tours at Disneyland Paris. Here's my 4000-word review of the attraction. Hope you enjoy reading it. :)
Star Tours: The Adventures Continue Review
★★★★☆ Smart update, stunning 3D ride film, but is it too late?
https://medium.com/@CafeFantasia/review-star-tours-the-adventures-continue-at-disneyland-paris-a502486eb398
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Great review. I agree wholeheartedly.
Ah, thank you very much pfspock. 😊
Having now experienced this upgrade I'd say it's a brilliant reworking of the ride. I love the new queue line - there's lots to see and keep you amused and (weird as it might sound) the plush carpet is really comfortable to stand on! They seem to have the operation down very smoothly too because even when we queuing right from the opening door, it only took 25 minutes. Having ridden in 7 times over the last 5 days we still managed to never get Jakku, BB-8 or Geonosis - I'm starting to wonder if the Episode 7 scenes are still in there!
There definitely seems to be more English in there than when it first opened although the ride itself is still in French. With my basic skills I can follow the jist of it and the fact that some of the scenes are iconic-ish ('help me Star Tours, you're my only hope') and the subtitles on the screens outside set up what's going on, I think it's easy enough to understand the idea of it.
First time I've ever been on a ride where everyone claps at the end of it. It was awesome.
Quote from: polar vixen on July 15, 2017, 05:51:00 PM
First time I've ever been on a ride where everyone claps at the end of it. It was awesome.
From my last trip (Late July to Early August), people did exactly that for Big Thunder Mountain after erupting from the Deliveries shack to the mainland. It is a lovely gesture and it shows the guests really do appreciate the work imagineers put into these experiences.
Also a highlight for me was one of the possible conclusions of a Star Tours flight aboard Flight 1401. Spoilers ahead in white, highlight text to read.
The Boba Fett Encounter
Not only do you have to endure a chase through an asteroid belt with the bounty hunter hot on your tail, after evading the bounty hunter, you lightspeed back to the Rebel Fleet. With the flight landing in a hangar, everyone is cheering and the lady that lead the attack on the Death Star is at the middle on the group of people, X Wings and their pilots are there as well. The Starspeeder begins descending into the passenger loading bay as they are all applauding in the protection of the rebel spy aboard the flight. It was beautiful to me and I honestly felt like I was part of something important. Bravo Disney.
The new routes and effects are quite nice, though I still miss the charm of the classic star tours. The original pilot robot bears a striking reselmblence to Rex, doesn't he? ;)
Absolutely love the update. The ride is much more exciting now. The 3D really adds to the excitement. Especially in the Jar Jar scene.
Btw. did any one notice nine-eye in the queue? ;D
Good news. Star Tours received a new update, adding a new scene and.... Taaadaaa! Cast members can now select English or French as the spoken language during the ride (Like in the Tower of Terror).
De queue area has already received an update last July making it bilingual.
Quote from: mickey1980 on November 14, 2017, 09:12:06 AM
Absolutely love the update. The ride is much more exciting now. The 3D really adds to the excitement. Especially in the Jar Jar scene.
Btw. did any one notice nine-eye in the queue? ;D
Nine eye? I certainly didn't. I noticed a former Star Tours pilot however...
Quote from: DisneyManiac on November 19, 2017, 03:10:50 PM
Quote from: mickey1980 on November 14, 2017, 09:12:06 AM
Absolutely love the update. The ride is much more exciting now. The 3D really adds to the excitement. Especially in the Jar Jar scene.
Btw. did any one notice nine-eye in the queue? ;D
Nine eye? I certainly didn't. I noticed a former Star Tours pilot however...
He pops up in the luggage x-ray machine ;)