Here's something I've been contemplating. We all know that ED isn't flush with cash, and new attractions are few and far between, but would you mind if the parks recieved attractions from other Disney parks?
For example, there's speculation of changes to Hollywoodland at DCA, which could see the dark ride 'Monsters Inc. Mike and Sully to the Rescue!' removed. Now rather than just junking it, could it not be put to use in Toon Studios?
It already happens with parades (naturally due to the transient nature of them), so why not recycle attractions? OK there's still a cost involvement, but Paris could get a 'cheap' additon to the parks.
Or, is that just a step too far?
I would loooove to see the Electrical Parade return to Paris.
It's probably a cost thing, They could probably transport the scenery and stuff relatively easily but the ride systems would be much harder and even after that you've got to build a show building, IMO it probably wouldn't be that much cheaper for the most part really, it would save on design and Imagineering costs though.
Recycled attractions are not going to save DLP.
The castle park hasn't received a new attraction since 1995. We deserve better.
(I don't count refurbs and upgrades as new attractions).
The castle park?
Also I think recycled attractions would be good. I don't think rocketeer is suggesting retheming existing rides at DLP. The recycled rides from the other parks would be new attractions (to dlp at least) so it would really help. If the monsters inc dark ride did come to ED I'd treat it as a new ride.
Though shipping it over would still be expensive, creating brand new, unique parts is very expensive too so it might save some money.
I'll admit, this is certainly a hypotyhetical plan. Sure the shipping cost would proabably wipe out any savings, but on the other hand, it provides a 'new' attraction to the resort that seldom gets new attractions.
Although the caveat is, there have been plenty additons in the last decade - just that they've all been in the Studios.
Oddly though the two additions I've got in mind are more suited to that park. 'Mike & Sully' would work well in Toon Studio and there are at least two B tickets in 'a bug's land' that would work well tacked on to Toy Story Playland.
I suppose this argument is also another aspect of the 'to clone attractions or not' debate. Personally I prefer unique attractions, but if adding a direct clone of 'Ariel's Undersea Adventure' or 'Frozen Ever After' would boost attendance then go for it. (Of course I'd rather they clone the Millenium Falcon attraction, but all in good time!).
As for the park deserving better. Couldn't agree with you more. It's been left to tread water for far too long whilst the other 10 parks have had numerous expansions over the years or are planned to get expansions.
However perhaps a pragmatic approach is needed for now to keep things moving forward - with a mind on the budgetary constraints.
Quote from: mickey1980 on November 15, 2016, 09:31:12 AM
The castle park hasn't received a new attraction since 1995.
Didn't Buzz Lightyear open in 2007-ish? I thought it was fairly new on our first DLP trip :-\
^I had to look it up... and I'm surprised. Buzz opened April 8th '06.
Eleven years from Indy to Buzz, and another ten with nothing since. Sad.
Buzz replaced Le Visionarium. So technically is not an addition ;)
Um there were a few rides added between Indy and Buzz...all the ones in the Studios in 2002! I dare say if you counted all of them and divided it with the number of years you would end up with a pretty good ratio of rides to years😉
^Indeed, it's 9 additions in 9 years - with gaps between.
3 = '07 (Cars QRR, Crush, La ToT)
1 = '08 (Stitch)
3 = '10 (Toy Story Play Land)
1 = '14 (Remy L'adventure)
1 = '16 (Mickey and the Magician)
Which is why although I'd say they should take on the MI attraction, it's high time that Parc Disneyland got some new attractions - recycled, cloned or new.
People.have ruled this out a lot based on transportation costs, iwould imagine any new attractions are shipped in, so this would still be a major factor weather new or recycled, doubt many rides have been Kate in France (maybe wrong though!!)
A lot of the rides are manufactured in Europe anyway. Most of the companies who actually design and build amusement rides are from Switzerland, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands.
^Ride systems yes, but the thematic elements would not be made by them. I'm not sure if WDI's European arm (what's their name now?) manufactures everything or if Glendale still contributes.
However, in terms of recycling attractions, - keeping Monsters Inc as an example, shipping over the sets and the static AAs would be cheap in comparison to moving ride system as well. All they'd then have to do is get a ride system from their local, and construct a ride building. We're still not talking peanuts here, but (plucking figures out of thing air) it could be €30-40m instead of €90-100m.
Recycling attractions is very common in the amusement/theme park business. Actually, there's several "ebays" for that kinda stuff (http://www.rides4u.com/rides/used/all/0/created/DESC/10/1 (http://www.rides4u.com/rides/used/all/0/created/DESC/10/1)).
Now, of course Disney is the godmother of all theme parks, and surely they wouldn't buy from sites like this. But if they could recycle rides from themselves, they would save big bucks. Remember that not only the scenery, but also the ride systems are always made to order. Even if the ride is "off the shelf", they never construct the actual ride before it's been ordered. And with new modern ways of constructing buildings, the showbuilding itself doesn't have to cost a fortune either (in Disney-money, that is).
So I say it would be a great way to boost the line of attractions in a cheaper way, without losing the Disney magic, if that's all they can afford.
^Exactly! ;D
Heck I can think of one ride that can be recycled and give Parc Disneyland something 'new'.... Tapis Volents. Move it to Adventureland where it was going to be in the first place.
Then again, no. That'll ruin the aesthetic of Adventureland.
Personally, I think the problem with recycling attractions is that, in order to be removed in the first place, they have to be outdated or unpopular. Even Monsters Inc. is an IP that I wouldn't consider to remain overly prevalent beyond the next 10 years (unless another sequel is produced) - I think Ratatouille was an exception, since it at least had the French connection.
Excellent point. And the issue with MI is not the film, but the fact that the attraction was a quick replacement for a derided attraction in Superstar Limo.
I would not mind recycled attractions in the least.... at least they would be something new and different. DLP is in desperate need of something new (especially Parc Disneyland itself). Overhauling and amending existing, beloved attractions (PotC and Space Mountain for example) is not sufficient.
TTFN
Quote from: Olivus Prime on November 23, 2016, 12:06:17 AM
Personally, I think the problem with recycling attractions is that, in order to be removed in the first place, they have to be outdated or unpopular. Even Monsters Inc. is an IP that I wouldn't consider to remain overly prevalent beyond the next 10 years (unless another sequel is produced) - I think Ratatouille was an exception, since it at least had the French connection.
There are many popular attractions based on films older that 10 years - Peter Pan, Dumbo, Snow White...
And that is the worry of adding attractions based on recent movies. But hey, can we be overly critical at this point? A 'new' attraction is just that. Keeping with the MI ride as an example, if they added that lock, stock and laugh cannister into the Studios, you know they'd have something extra to promote.
OK, so the original film is 15 years old (*sigh* now I feel old!) but its not completely out of date yet. True, the '06 attraction isn't perfect, and it pales in comparison to Tokyo's Ride and Boo Seek, but it'd still add to the roster of a park that is still lacking.
Sure, there are a few other recent releases that should have attractions - perhaps a Big Hero 6 attraction, or even The Incredibles (sequel due 2018). They'd generate more buzz, but if it was a straight out choice between a decade old, slightly disappointing ride versus the continued wait for further attractions, I know which side I'd choose.
Such a good idea ! Never thought of it myself sure the cost would still be a large sum , yet it still wouldnt burn a large hole in the pockets of dlp . The Monsters Inc Ride is in a area of Disney California Adventure that is a mix and match of different ips , it just doesnt fit in the current area in California theme wise .Sure if Disney did "recycle " this attraction and bring it to Paris they would obviously spruce it up a litle bit . Great Idea thread btw :) :) :) :) :) :)
^Thanks.
And here's another thought - just think of all those wonderful attractions that have been sent to Yesterland. The resort could have had some gems added to its roster.
Just randomly...
Adventures Thru Inner Space
Dreamflight
Alien Encounter
Quote from: Rocketeer on November 16, 2016, 11:39:04 PM
^I had to look it up... and I'm surprised. Buzz opened April 8th '06.
Eleven years from Indy to Buzz, and another ten with nothing since. Sad.
Ratatouille opened in 2014. I went to DLP in September 2014 without knowing anything about it until I came on this forum earlier that year! My previous trip was in 2004 and I hadn't read up about it or been on any forums till I suddenly decided it was time I paid a return visit then started reading up about it and going on forums after I'd booked it!
I know it is not exactly "recycled" but wouldn't it be great if WDS Park scrapped stitch Live and added an interactive Frozen show similar to Stitch Live with Olaf . Even if you don't like Frozen frozen it would have to be able to draw more people than Stitch Live
^Excellent idea!
I wouldn't mind recycled attractions - never having been myself to any of the other parks around the world.
I would also imagine the shipping costs would still be a heck of a lot lower than the costs of developing and designing the ride in the first place - surely the costs of designing, testing, developing etc is one of the biggest costs involved with developing a new ride. Shipping costs are minimal really when you think about it - even if shipping costs were equal to the manufacture costs of a new ride, you would still be having a heck of a lot on the fact that someone else has already spent a lot of money and time on the design and development!
Two more rumours have 'a bug's land' (DCA) and The Great Movie Ride (DHS) closing.
I'm not fussed on the former, but I'd love to see the latter transferred over to WDS.
Nope, Twdc now own dlp and if they don't show the same attention to it as its other parks we'll they can't expect people to keep going or for the park to improve. 1995 since the MK had a new attraction, come on, that's just not acceptable. Look what the US parks have gotten since 1995, now I now twdc have only recently got their hands on dlp fully but it's time to act now.
DLP having no money excuse can no longer be used, A total overhaul and expansion of wds park and 2 new attractions in MK is what's needed to bring this resort up to scratch.
Throwing in the US parks "has beens" will only show a very negative view to how twdc sees dlp going forward.
It needs to show real commitment now more than ever if it's to keep its most visited destination on Europe tag going into the next decade.
Quote from: AaronKing on January 14, 2017, 07:50:37 PM
I know it is not exactly "recycled" but wouldn't it be great if WDS Park scrapped stitch Live and added an interactive Frozen show similar to Stitch Live with Olaf . Even if you don't like Frozen frozen it would have to be able to draw more people than Stitch Live
You leave Stitch Live alone!! That's one of my favourite attractions haha!
Quote from: Rocketeer on July 12, 2017, 08:26:52 PM
Two more rumours have 'a bug's land' (DCA) and The Great Movie Ride (DHS) closing.
I'm not fussed on the former, but I'd love to see the latter transferred over to WDS.
I'd actually be very happy with A bugs land coming to the Studios, its cute, well themed (something the studios lacks), fits the Pixar theme of that side of the park, would add to capacity (sorely needed albeit not a massive boost) and provide something more for the kids to do, especially younger ones which I think is needed.
Some decent flat rides there and I'd love to have bumper cars at DLP!