So from ED92 on Twitter we know ground surveys were taking place Yesterday behind the Walt Disney Studios Park, here is the tweet, attached to it are photos of the general area that was being surveyed.
https://twitter.com/ED92live/status/717038331234754561
A quick google search says this sort of stuff is usually done to land before it is built upon and whilst it doesn't mean that land will be used any time soon it does mean Disney are likely laying out some sort of long term plan for the Walt Disney Studios park, just like they did with Disney's California adventure. Their plan for that park already brought them Buena Vista Street, Cars land, a revamped Paradise Pier with Midway mania, new rides and arguably a Bug's land if you count that as part of the plan.
So what do you all think would go on this land? personally I'm not convinced it'll be Marvel, I think Marvel is bound for the backlot area and it would fit better with that section of the park since it is a live action movie. This is just behind Toy Story Playland and as such I think it will be another area themed around animation, likely Pixar animation. Part of me doubts that it would be Cars Land either since Disney in recent years dislike duplicating rides and lands. That said Cars land is a possibility but we already have the ride in Toon Studio, I think it would be a movie with a lot of staying power, Monsters Inc springs to mind, Nemo is represented in Toon Studio already and the Incredibles is far too similar to our world nevermind Marvel land would eclipse it. Personally I'm not sure what it could be although I might throw out a wild prediction that it'd be a Toontown esque area.
But what do you all think, what would be built on that land in WDSP?
Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
I reckon they'll expand to create room for a new ride in time for summer 2017. Possibly Toy Story Mania given that was supposed to be happening at one point before it was seemingly cancelled.
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Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
Possibly moving some of that backstage stuff that is near the backlot to allow for expansion in that area for a Marvel Studio land or whatever. I think it is either that or they are doing another Pixar land. I think a Marvel land would be a great fit but only if done well on a decent budget and personally I think it should use the land we've already got in the Backlot, demolish Armageddon for a flat ride, Retheme Rock n' Roller Coaster, maybe build a dark ride in that huge Stunts Moteurs area and make the café a themed meet and greet character dining thing, that is only if they don't expand it at all though. I think it would bring a lot of guests that wouldn't normally visit DLP, that said it shouldn't go on the side with TSPL and Ratatouille, that is the Pixar and animation side and something this park desperately needs is organisation, If it is Pixar, what would it be though?
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Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
Possibly moving some of that backstage stuff that is near the backlot to allow for expansion in that area for a Marvel Studio land or whatever. I think it is either that or they are doing another Pixar land. I think a Marvel land would be a great fit but only if done well on a decent budget and personally I think it should use the land we've already got in the Backlot, demolish Armageddon for a flat ride, Retheme Rock n' Roller Coaster, maybe build a dark ride in that huge Stunts Moteurs area and make the café a themed meet and greet character dining thing, that is only if they don't expand it at all though. I think it would bring a lot of guests that wouldn't normally visit DLP, that said it shouldn't go on the side with TSPL and Ratatouille, that is the Pixar and animation side and something this park desperately needs is organisation, If it is Pixar, what would it be though?
Maybe the Incredibles given a sequel is coming out.
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Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
Possibly moving some of that backstage stuff that is near the backlot to allow for expansion in that area for a Marvel Studio land or whatever. I think it is either that or they are doing another Pixar land. I think a Marvel land would be a great fit but only if done well on a decent budget and personally I think it should use the land we've already got in the Backlot, demolish Armageddon for a flat ride, Retheme Rock n' Roller Coaster, maybe build a dark ride in that huge Stunts Moteurs area and make the café a themed meet and greet character dining thing, that is only if they don't expand it at all though. I think it would bring a lot of guests that wouldn't normally visit DLP, that said it shouldn't go on the side with TSPL and Ratatouille, that is the Pixar and animation side and something this park desperately needs is organisation, If it is Pixar, what would it be though?
Maybe the Incredibles given a sequel is coming out.
I feel like Marvel in the backlot is when rather than if at this point, wouldn't it be too similar?
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Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
Possibly moving some of that backstage stuff that is near the backlot to allow for expansion in that area for a Marvel Studio land or whatever. I think it is either that or they are doing another Pixar land. I think a Marvel land would be a great fit but only if done well on a decent budget and personally I think it should use the land we've already got in the Backlot, demolish Armageddon for a flat ride, Retheme Rock n' Roller Coaster, maybe build a dark ride in that huge Stunts Moteurs area and make the café a themed meet and greet character dining thing, that is only if they don't expand it at all though. I think it would bring a lot of guests that wouldn't normally visit DLP, that said it shouldn't go on the side with TSPL and Ratatouille, that is the Pixar and animation side and something this park desperately needs is organisation, If it is Pixar, what would it be though?
Maybe the Incredibles given a sequel is coming out.
I feel like Marvel in the backlot is when rather than if at this point, wouldn't it be too similar?
Whilst I like Marvel, I do think it would have to be a separate park you don't have to pay for.
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Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
Possibly moving some of that backstage stuff that is near the backlot to allow for expansion in that area for a Marvel Studio land or whatever. I think it is either that or they are doing another Pixar land. I think a Marvel land would be a great fit but only if done well on a decent budget and personally I think it should use the land we've already got in the Backlot, demolish Armageddon for a flat ride, Retheme Rock n' Roller Coaster, maybe build a dark ride in that huge Stunts Moteurs area and make the café a themed meet and greet character dining thing, that is only if they don't expand it at all though. I think it would bring a lot of guests that wouldn't normally visit DLP, that said it shouldn't go on the side with TSPL and Ratatouille, that is the Pixar and animation side and something this park desperately needs is organisation, If it is Pixar, what would it be though?
Maybe the Incredibles given a sequel is coming out.
I feel like Marvel in the backlot is when rather than if at this point, wouldn't it be too similar?
Whilst I like Marvel, I do think it would have to be a separate park you don't have to pay for.
I don't see DLP doing a third gate anytime soon, we've still got the studios to fix and DLP to actually give some new rides too,it's been like what, 10 years since we had a new ride there?
I don't see why it would be, Disney have made Marvel what it is now, Star Wars is going into Disneyland in California in the main park, why would Paris treat Marvel differently?
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Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
Possibly moving some of that backstage stuff that is near the backlot to allow for expansion in that area for a Marvel Studio land or whatever. I think it is either that or they are doing another Pixar land. I think a Marvel land would be a great fit but only if done well on a decent budget and personally I think it should use the land we've already got in the Backlot, demolish Armageddon for a flat ride, Retheme Rock n' Roller Coaster, maybe build a dark ride in that huge Stunts Moteurs area and make the café a themed meet and greet character dining thing, that is only if they don't expand it at all though. I think it would bring a lot of guests that wouldn't normally visit DLP, that said it shouldn't go on the side with TSPL and Ratatouille, that is the Pixar and animation side and something this park desperately needs is organisation, If it is Pixar, what would it be though?
Maybe the Incredibles given a sequel is coming out.
I feel like Marvel in the backlot is when rather than if at this point, wouldn't it be too similar?
Whilst I like Marvel, I do think it would have to be a separate park you don't have to pay for.
I don't see DLP doing a third gate anytime soon, we've still got the studios to fix and DLP to actually give some new rides too,it's been like what, 10 years since we had a new ride there?
I don't see why it would be, Disney have made Marvel what it is now, Star Wars is going into Disneyland in California in the main park, why would Paris treat Marvel differently?
I think both Marvel and Star Wars should be treated differently because they are not Disney characters but rather franchises that Disney bought. Same as if they tried to introduce Muppets.
Like it or not Star Wars, Marvel, Pixar and The Muppets are all part of the Disney portfolio. They may not have originated out of 500 South Buena Vista Street, but they are now part and parcel of the companies entertainment offerings. And at least two of them do have connections with the company (via George Lucas, John Lasseter and Jim Henson) before their respective purchases.
The Mouse has paid $15.7bn for them, and will want to recoup that cost, and at the same time use these characters to their benefit, not least in their parks.
So will we see a Marvel Land being added to WDS? Its anyone's guess, but given that these cadre of characters currently riding a wave of popularity, then why not.
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Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
Possibly moving some of that backstage stuff that is near the backlot to allow for expansion in that area for a Marvel Studio land or whatever. I think it is either that or they are doing another Pixar land. I think a Marvel land would be a great fit but only if done well on a decent budget and personally I think it should use the land we've already got in the Backlot, demolish Armageddon for a flat ride, Retheme Rock n' Roller Coaster, maybe build a dark ride in that huge Stunts Moteurs area and make the café a themed meet and greet character dining thing, that is only if they don't expand it at all though. I think it would bring a lot of guests that wouldn't normally visit DLP, that said it shouldn't go on the side with TSPL and Ratatouille, that is the Pixar and animation side and something this park desperately needs is organisation, If it is Pixar, what would it be though?
Maybe the Incredibles given a sequel is coming out.
I feel like Marvel in the backlot is when rather than if at this point, wouldn't it be too similar?
Whilst I like Marvel, I do think it would have to be a separate park you don't have to pay for.
I don't see DLP doing a third gate anytime soon, we've still got the studios to fix and DLP to actually give some new rides too,it's been like what, 10 years since we had a new ride there?
I don't see why it would be, Disney have made Marvel what it is now, Star Wars is going into Disneyland in California in the main park, why would Paris treat Marvel differently?
I think both Marvel and Star Wars should be treated differently because they are not Disney characters but rather franchises that Disney bought. Same as if they tried to introduce Muppets.
Isn't Pixar the same though? I mean obviously it is still animation and I don't think the average joe really separates the two of them but I Imagine the same will be said for Marvel and Star Wars in a few years.
This is exciting. When I went to the park a few weeks ago they asked for our details for a satisfaction survey. Made sure to include some suggestions for WDS. WDS needs a big tentpole area. Ratatouille and ToT have done wonders, but it's still not a full-day park.
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Great to see they are planning something. . It looks like the land they are surveying is a bit far out so maybe it will be the staff and "backstage" area that is currently next to toysrory play land. Then they might use that space as another section of the studios.
I agree with you about what it should be. I don't think a marvel land will be good. I think they should continue down the route they have been doing currently. I really like the toy story play land and ratatouille ride so I hope it's like that again (in that the theming is really good)
Possibly moving some of that backstage stuff that is near the backlot to allow for expansion in that area for a Marvel Studio land or whatever. I think it is either that or they are doing another Pixar land. I think a Marvel land would be a great fit but only if done well on a decent budget and personally I think it should use the land we've already got in the Backlot, demolish Armageddon for a flat ride, Retheme Rock n' Roller Coaster, maybe build a dark ride in that huge Stunts Moteurs area and make the café a themed meet and greet character dining thing, that is only if they don't expand it at all though. I think it would bring a lot of guests that wouldn't normally visit DLP, that said it shouldn't go on the side with TSPL and Ratatouille, that is the Pixar and animation side and something this park desperately needs is organisation, If it is Pixar, what would it be though?
Maybe the Incredibles given a sequel is coming out.
I feel like Marvel in the backlot is when rather than if at this point, wouldn't it be too similar?
Whilst I like Marvel, I do think it would have to be a separate park you don't have to pay for.
I don't see DLP doing a third gate anytime soon, we've still got the studios to fix and DLP to actually give some new rides too,it's been like what, 10 years since we had a new ride there?
I don't see why it would be, Disney have made Marvel what it is now, Star Wars is going into Disneyland in California in the main park, why would Paris treat Marvel differently?
I think both Marvel and Star Wars should be treated differently because they are not Disney characters but rather franchises that Disney bought. Same as if they tried to introduce Muppets.
Isn't Pixar the same though? I mean obviously it is still animation and I don't think the average joe really separates the two of them but I Imagine the same will be said for Marvel and Star Wars in a few years.
Didn't Disney work with Pixar on Toy Story? Or was it only after they bought Pixar that their logo showed up at the beginning of the film?
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Didn't Disney work with Pixar on Toy Story? Or was it only after they bought Pixar that their logo showed up at the beginning of the film?
Disney signed them to a three picture distribution deal at the start, that's why the Disney logo appears at the start of Toy Story.
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Didn't Disney work with Pixar on Toy Story? Or was it only after they bought Pixar that their logo showed up at the beginning of the film?
Disney signed them to a three picture distribution deal at the start, that's why the Disney logo appears at the start of Toy Story.
I thought it did. The Pixar-Disney partnership to ownership thing always confuses me.
Maybe they're making room of Toy Story Mania?
I've lost track of where we are with this. I've heard that its definitely happening, that is definitely not happening and that work has already started!
^That does sound about right for ED SCA though. I can't fathom why they take so long to confirm any new addition.
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^That does sound about right for ED SCA though. I can't fathom why they take so long to confirm any new addition.
Do you think if people know a new ride is coming, they put off visiting until it is built?
For example, if they said TSM would open July 2018 (no evidence of this!), people who were planning on visiting July 2017 would put off their trip for a year?
Otherwise, do you think they keep thisng secret because of competition with other parks in Europe?
^True, but then is also serves as an intensive to keep returning to the resort. However I think you're right, more people would delay their holiday rather than (for those that can) return in the ensuing years.
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For example, if they said TSM would open July 2018 (no evidence of this!), people who were planning on visiting July 2017 would put off their trip for a year?
Surely they'd be more likely to get it opened for July 2017?
I think you overestimate the average visitor. Most people esspecially first time visitors aren´t informed that well that in 12 months something else might be built e.g..
Next is the 25th anniversy so I think regularly visitors don´t want to miss this eventhough a new attraction might open 12 months later.
Regarding Toy Story Mania, I don´t get the hype at all. I went in once in Tokyo, yes it was fun but not worth the 6 hours waiting time. Eventhough it is still the most populare attraction their for years now.
"I think both Marvel and Star Wars should be treated differently because they are not Disney characters but rather franchises that Disney bought. Same as if they tried to introduce Muppets."
Hmm how does that argument stack up against them acquiring the rights to use Peter Pan, or Winnie the Pooh, or Mary Poppins, or Armageddon...the list goes on...
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Hmm how does that argument stack up against them acquiring the rights to use Peter Pan, or Winnie the Pooh, or Mary Poppins, or Armageddon...the list goes on...
Peter Pan, Winnie The Pooh and Mary Poppins are Walt Disney Classics. Armaggedon is purely Disney, whilst Star Wars was initially Lucasfilm, Marvel originally just Marvel Studios and The Muppets Jim Henson's company.
Disneyland will always be Disneyland, so it's not that there's getting rid of Mickey and co. So why can't there be a place next to classics for the new franchises like Star Wars and The Muppets in Studios Park? It makes perfectly sense to me and I like them all.
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Disneyland will always be Disneyland, so it's not that there's getting rid of Mickey and co. So why can't there be a place next to classics for the new franchises like Star Wars and The Muppets in Studios Park? It makes perfectly sense to me and I like them all.
What about the people who don't like Star Wars and Muppets paying for something they're not interested in?
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What about the people who don't like Star Wars and Muppets paying for something they're not interested in?
But not matter what the theme is, the park is still about fun, no? There's a lot of important Disney movies I have never seen like Frozen, Ratatouille or Finding Nemo. But I still can enjoy the rides and theming in Disneyland dedicated to those movies and their characters. It's not unenjoyable because you're not the biggest fan.
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What about the people who don't like Star Wars and Muppets paying for something they're not interested in?
But not matter what the theme is, the park is still about fun, no? There's a lot of important Disney movies I have never seen like Frozen, Ratatouille or Finding Nemo. But I still can enjoy the rides and theming in Disneyland dedicated to those movies and their characters. It's not unenjoyable because you're not the biggest fan.
Who goes on a Star Wars or Muppets ride when they don't like them?
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Who goes on a Star Wars or Muppets ride when they don't like them?
I do. I've never seen Finding Nemo, so no fan at all, but I do love Crush's Coaster. It's even one of my favourite rides.
Who goes on a Star Wars or Muppets ride when they don't like them?
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Meeeeee - I would go on any new ride just to actually see what it's like. You never know you might suddenly have a huge interest in it. I was never into Star Wars until I rode Star Tours - now I love it and have watched all the films.
I've done every ride in DLRP some which I had no interest in - but it's something to tick off the Disney bucket list. Not many people can say they've done every ride.
I personally hate Moteurs but it wouldn't mean I would be against paying for the studios. Also can I just say... Rock n Rollercoaster has no Disney theme what so ever but it's my favourite ride. Do I like Aerosmith / had I even heard of them when I first rode it - nope.
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What about the people who don't like Star Wars and Muppets paying for something they're not interested in?
I've never ridden Space Mountain or Big Thunder Mountain (both 'Disney Parks Classics') but I don't ask for a rebate when I get to the gate. I know that some attractions are just not for me.
I don't begrudge these attractions being there just because I don't like coasters. I appreciate that one of the founding principles of Disneyland, Ca. was for all, "the young and old". I have no interest in the current 'toons' on the Disney Channel, but I understand that some do, and that's why they have the merchandise and/or meet'n'greets. If they based an attraction on them, then so be it. It's just one less that I have to spend time queuing for.
Anyway.....
As to the earlier suggestion of it being for Midway Mania, I can see this being at least part of the expansion. Maybe having this attraction added will enable them to allow us guests finally past the internal berm that is the Tram Tour route. And once that has been sorted, then its far easier to expand the park more.
Here's hoping we see some more developments soon.
As the Paramount Park London project has moved another step forward, I think Disneyland Paris will have to up it's game at the start of the next decade. I'm not suggesting that Paramount London can 'out do' DLRP, but its yet another draw away from 'The Happiest Place in Europe'.
ED SCA has 5 years to play with to construct something spectacular in WDS. And there's plenty of land at WDI/EDI's disposal.
We've debated the 'suitabilty' of the newer IPs, so I don't want to go over that again, however if you're going to ensure that DLRP remains the number one theme park destination in Europe, a few C-Tickets just aren't going to cut it.
OK, it always boils down to money, and we all know that ED isn't flush, however I'd like to hope that Burbank will at least give them a helping hand. There's no use sitting on their laurels waiting for the competition to catch up.
In the words of a Disney movie/Broadway show. 'Now is the time to Seize the Day'.
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As the Paramount Park London project has moved another step forward, I think Disneyland Paris will have to up it's game at the start of the next decade. I'm not suggesting that Paramount London can 'out do' DLRP, but its yet another draw away from 'The Happiest Place in Europe'.
ED SCA has 5 years to play with to construct something spectacular in WDS. And there's plenty of land at WDI/EDI's disposal.
We've debated the 'suitabilty' of the newer IPs, so I don't want to go over that again, however if you're going to ensure that DLRP remains the number one theme park destination in Europe, a few C-Tickets just aren't going to cut it.
OK, it always boils down to money, and we all know that ED isn't flush, however I'd like to hope that Burbank will at least give them a helping hand. There's no use sitting on their laurels waiting for the competition to catch up.
In the words of a Disney movie/Broadway show. 'Now is the time to Seize the Day'.
Not sure how much it'll affect DLP isn't something like 70% of the attendance French anyways? I think it's like 15-20 from the UK which whilst that is sizeable the majority is either hardcore Disney fans or people with kids, I don't think Paramount has the IPs to rival Disneyland does it? It looks to me like a better Alton Towers.
Regardless of that this can only be a good thing for the resort, Disney sat on their laurels through much of the 90s and especially the 2000s, which has led to EPCOT, Hollywood Studios and up until Recently Animal Kingdom all falling behind. They thought they could put out anything and it'd sell, Look at WDSP or DCA as examples of that, both disgraceful parks when built.
But recently Universal's advancements have forced innovation in California and Florida, look how DCA has been transformed, Buena Vista Street, Cars Land, refurbs to bring all the areas bar one in the park up to scratch, that park is brilliant now! Look how Hollywood Studios is going to be transformed and I'm sure EPCOT will get it's turn around 2018. Paramount could have the same effect on Paris depending on how competitive it is, it could do wonders for us!
I think a cheaper solution would be to renovate the backlot into a Marvel studio area, you'd save a lot of money by retheming Rock N' Roller Coaster, if they wanted to turn the café into some sort of dark ride there's a building there, demo Armageddon for some sort of flat ride and then just use the Massive stunt show space for a dark ride or character dining or something along those lines. Then all you have to do is theme the area to be a super hero city or something. It's not cheap but its a heck of a lot cheaper than constructing a whole new land, this way you also get rid of one of the two truly awful areas in WDSP being Backlot and the Animation Courtyard. Marvel is big in the UK and hugely marketable. Since Paramount is in the UK that's a great thing. Not to mention you have the potential to attract teenagers,an audience that usually tends to prefer other places to DLP. I mean speaking as a teen now almost everyone at my school loves Marvel and that hype will only continue in the coming years with things like Civil War.
As for an entirely new land Cars Land at DCA costs a ton, 1.1 billion, but since the R and D is done maybe we could get it for a bit cheaper, that said Disney is trying to differentiate their parks more and more so that may not be an option.
Disneyland Park could use some new stuff too, I doubt it'd happen as well as the studios stuff but Star Wars is a huge draw worldwide and since the UK has nothing like the Star Wars land in the states that could be useful, that said it'll probably cost a ton to build Star Wars land, there is space in Discoveryland for a big E ticket Roller Coaster though, maybe another ride too for a sort of mini land.
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on April 25, 2016, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: Rocketeer on April 25, 2016, 08:21:28 PM
As the Paramount Park London project has moved another step forward, I think Disneyland Paris will have to up it's game at the start of the next decade. I'm not suggesting that Paramount London can 'out do' DLRP, but its yet another draw away from 'The Happiest Place in Europe'.
ED SCA has 5 years to play with to construct something spectacular in WDS. And there's plenty of land at WDI/EDI's disposal.
We've debated the 'suitabilty' of the newer IPs, so I don't want to go over that again, however if you're going to ensure that DLRP remains the number one theme park destination in Europe, a few C-Tickets just aren't going to cut it.
OK, it always boils down to money, and we all know that ED isn't flush, however I'd like to hope that Burbank will at least give them a helping hand. There's no use sitting on their laurels waiting for the competition to catch up.
In the words of a Disney movie/Broadway show. 'Now is the time to Seize the Day'.
Not sure how much it'll affect DLP isn't something like 70% of the attendance French anyways? I think it's like 15-20 from the UK which whilst that is sizeable the majority is either hardcore Disney fans or people with kids, I don't think Paramount has the IPs to rival Disneyland does it? It looks to me like a better Alton Towers.
Regardless of that this can only be a good thing for the resort, Disney sat on their laurels through much of the 90s and especially the 2000s, which has led to EPCOT, Hollywood Studios and up until Recently Animal Kingdom all falling behind. They thought they could put out anything and it'd sell, Look at WDSP or DCA as examples of that, both disgraceful parks when built.
But recently Universal's advancements have forced innovation in California and Florida, look how DCA has been transformed, Buena Vista Street, Cars Land, refurbs to bring all the areas bar one in the park up to scratch, that park is brilliant now! Look how Hollywood Studios is going to be transformed and I'm sure EPCOT will get it's turn around 2018. Paramount could have the same effect on Paris depending on how competitive it is, it could do wonders for us!
I think a cheaper solution would be to renovate the backlot into a Marvel studio area, you'd save a lot of money by retheming Rock N' Roller Coaster, if they wanted to turn the café into some sort of dark ride there's a building there, demo Armageddon for some sort of flat ride and then just use the Massive stunt show space for a dark ride or character dining or something along those lines. Then all you have to do is theme the area to be a super hero city or something. It's not cheap but its a heck of a lot cheaper than constructing a whole new land, this way you also get rid of one of the two truly awful areas in WDSP being Backlot and the Animation Courtyard. Marvel is big in the UK and hugely marketable. Since Paramount is in the UK that's a great thing. Not to mention you have the potential to attract teenagers,an audience that usually tends to prefer other places to DLP. I mean speaking as a teen now almost everyone at my school loves Marvel and that hype will only continue in the coming years with things like Civil War.
As for an entirely new land Cars Land at DCA costs a ton, 1.1 billion, but since the R and D is done maybe we could get it for a bit cheaper, that said Disney is trying to differentiate their parks more and more so that may not be an option.
Disneyland Park could use some new stuff too, I doubt it'd happen as well as the studios stuff but Star Wars is a huge draw worldwide and since the UK has nothing like the Star Wars land in the states that could be useful, that said it'll probably cost a ton to build Star Wars land, there is space in Discoveryland for a big E ticket Roller Coaster though, maybe another ride too for a sort of mini land.
I like Marvel but I wouldn't want to see it take the space of the Stunt Show. DLP need to keep Moteurs...Action!; it's one of the best parts of Walt Disney Studios - up there with Cinemagique for me, which I also love.
^I don't think Moteurs is going anywhere for now. It's a high capacity theatre, so taking it out of the roster would be a big deal for the park. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if it did get a Marvel overlay. Wasn't S.H.I.E.L.D. rumoured not so long ago?
And if they do expand behind the internal berm (the Tram Tour), then at least the theatre is not completely in the way. The obvious main route to a new land would be down Hollywood Blvd., but there is sufficient space between Moteurs and RnRc for a secondary entry point.
Motors in it's current form is heavily outdated. And a shadow of the spectacular show it once was.
I would very much welcome a new show coming to this theatre.
That being said. It would be best to level the complete backlot area. It's doesn't have any appeal and is waaaaaay below Disney standards. Rock 'n Roller coaster can stay. But with a new facade / show building .
I think given that it would be being done on a VERY tight budget given that this is Disneyland Paris we're talking about a new theme and facade for Rock n' Roller Coaster, Moteurs getting a SHIELD theme to it, Resteraunt Des Stars should become a sit in experience with either a show or a few characters that you can just walk into, then Blockbuster Café should become a character dining experience you have to book, possibly with the Avengers? Both buildings would need a new façade. Maybe a Helicarrier sitting down? Doesn't sound ridiculously expensive, maybe Stark Tower would be better though. Armageddon could probably be replaced by two well themed flat rides, Café Des Cascadeurs could also become a meet and greet.
What would the theme of the land be in general though? A city? Some sort of futuristic super hero city or what? You need to differentiate it enough from the real world yet still have it in the very real Marvel universe. Also are we taking the old mantra of making it a movie set or the new (TSPL and Ratatouille) way of doing things where instead of a movie set the land transports you into the movie? I'm having fun speculating about this lol.
^There are a few fictional locations in the Marvel universe, but not many of them would be ideal as an overlay for the Backlot. It'd be easier if they had a Gotham or Metropolis.
As for the budgetary concerns, you've got it spot on - if they do change its unlikely it'll be a extensive retheme. The fishing village is going to stay - and all you need to do is slap a S.H.I.E.L.D. logo on the 'hero' car and the HYDRA one on the others.
*sigh* That sounds depressingly like something they actually would do. I should stop, before I give them any more ideas.
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 03, 2016, 04:13:15 PM
^I don't think Moteurs is going anywhere for now. It's a high capacity theatre, so taking it out of the roster would be a big deal for the park. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if it did get a Marvel overlay. Wasn't S.H.I.E.L.D. rumoured not so long ago?
That would be cool. They could perform stunts from the TV series Agents of SHIELD.
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 05, 2016, 04:02:31 PM
^There are a few fictional locations in the Marvel universe, but not many of them would be ideal as an overlay for the Backlot. It'd be easier if they had a Gotham or Metropolis.
As for the budgetary concerns, you've got it spot on - if they do change its unlikely it'll be a extensive retheme. The fishing village is going to stay - and all you need to do is slap a S.H.I.E.L.D. logo on the 'hero' car and the HYDRA one on the others.
*sigh* That sounds depressingly like something they actually would do. I should stop, before I give them any more ideas.
I think they'd throw in a bunch of marvel heroes too, maybe some new vehicles and stuff too, they wouldn't completely Rehash it would they! Perhaps a good theme would be a ruined New York like in the Avengers, to differentiate from the normal cities people are used to.
^I'm surprised they haven't decided to rename the Reign of Fire set into "something from The Avengers".
The only way this park will work and look like a normal dhs park is if the WDC get the cheque book out and overhaul , simple as .
Anything else like patching over already terrible looking areas will do nothing but make the place worse .
Disney is not good at doing things on the cheap , they have proven that by building this park and then spending years half arseing here and there in it .
Disney , Revamp the park or keep your loose change and ill keep mine .
The scary thing is, this 'cheap' park supposedly cost €600m. It's more than likely any significant expansion would need to be at least that amount, if not more.
But as some 'gossip' puts its, Shanghai Disneyland has required a lot of focus from the folks at Flower St., but also caused potential budget constraints on other upcoming projects. (That's if the gossip is to be believed). TWDC may not want to drop half a billion Euros just on the Studios in one go. It may take a slower approach, which is not a great prospect.
They could change the way they budget these attractions. Ratatouille costs around €150 million to build. I'm pretty sure any other theme park could build the same for way less. Maybe even half.
Apparently "Disney Imagineering" and the licensing department takes a big part of the pie.
The same reason why Paris never made any profit. Which is impossible with a visitor count of 14.2 million per year (2014) :-X
I think its fine if Disney do it slowly, provided they focus on improvement before expansion, by this I mean fixing what they already have before expanding the park further.
The most crucial thing is a plan, a plan for what to do, preferably a public one with dates so we can hold Disney to it, be it a 10 year plan or more.
Focus first on replacing Backlot and improving the theming everywhere else, THEN build new lands, Advertise the attractions you renovate or convert as new attractions, maybe throw in a new ride in an existing land every so often (Midway Mania for TSPL?) but primarily fix what you already have.
I think Disney know Paris needs a lot of work to become a Giant like it could be, I mean it could be the WDW of Europe and whilst it's the number 1 attraction it could do SO MUCH MORE. I think if Shanghai is a success Paris is next to get an improvement, the Asian parks have stuff underway, Disneyland has just fixed DCA and is now getting SW land, WDW is fixing Animal Kingdom and Studios on the back of a big expansion to the Magic Kingdom. Paris and EPCOT are surely next on the list, they gave 1.1 billion to fix DCA, maybe we'll see the same?
In response to the costs isn't that something to do with French construction laws?
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on May 15, 2016, 06:56:14 PM
I think its fine if Disney do it slowly, provided they focus on improvement before expansion, by this I mean fixing what they already have before expanding the park further.
The most crucial thing is a plan, a plan for what to do, preferably a public one with dates so we can hold Disney to it, be it a 10 year plan or more.
Focus first on replacing Backlot and improving the theming everywhere else, THEN build new lands, Advertise the attractions you renovate or convert as new attractions, maybe throw in a new ride in an existing land every so often (Midway Mania for TSPL?) but primarily fix what you already have.
I think Disney know Paris needs a lot of work to become a Giant like it could be, I mean it could be the WDW of Europe and whilst it's the number 1 attraction it could do SO MUCH MORE. I think if Shanghai is a success Paris is next to get an improvement, the Asian parks have stuff underway, Disneyland has just fixed DCA and is now getting SW land, WDW is fixing Animal Kingdom and Studios on the back of a big expansion to the Magic Kingdom. Paris and EPCOT are surely next on the list, they gave 1.1 billion to fix DCA, maybe we'll see the same?
In response to the costs isn't that something to do with French construction laws?
I don't think this park can be fixed without expanding , it's just too small .It has virtually no exploration value , just a go right or left when you enter , do a loop and hey presto , your back where you started .
Ok given the addition of ratatouille this helps but basically the park is way too small for a Disney park and I think the best bet for twdc is to bite the bullet and fix it .
Doing things in stages always leaves the door open to phase 2 , 3 and so on being kicked down the road if a problem occurs somewhere else .
In a scenario like this , when they get around to phase 2 & 3 , phase 1 will need doing again :).
I think dlrp has much more to offer if only the people in charge had the will to fix what's wrong .
A resort that attracts 14 mil a year and still loses cash is something that could and should of being fixed long long ago .
Imagine the wdc clearing the early debt or at least bringing it under control before what happened , happened . ?
A 3rd gate with a proper wds would be around long by now .
I would really like to see more character interaction in the studios. It's all well and good having Minnie and Woody in Toon Studios for meet and greets, and Spidey round the back, but that's it. I know not everyone is a huge fan of characters and prefers the rides, but even that is lacking a bit in the studios. RnRC is shut for refurb, parachutes only operate in optimum weather, RC and slinky are great but very divisive (if you're a lone parent of children of say 10 and 5....and the 10 yr old wants desperately to go on RC with you, what do you do with your 5 year old?). There needs to be more to 'fit the gap' between these 2 rides. ToT is great, but again, despite the low height requirement, not incredibly inclusive.
Crush has more often than not got a crazy wait time, and Ratatouille is amazing but breaks down so often its a coin toss as to whether you actually get onto the ride after queuing!
If they made some of the restaurants into character dining that would at least increase footfall into the studios. I would LOVE an avengers themed experience, or Monsters Inc.
Something definitely needs doing and I agree with the idea that expansion is the best way. It is just too small, even when everything is in operation and working correctly, it doesn't have the pulling power of the main park, for me and my family, anyway.
Quote from: seraphelle on May 19, 2016, 01:27:30 PM
Ratatouille is amazing but breaks down so often its a coin toss as to whether you actually get onto the ride after queuing!
I hope it's more reliable by next year. I'll be so disappointed if I don't get to do Ratatouille.
For some reason it never occurred to me that the parachutes only work in certain weather, what were they thinking adding rides that only work in certain weather to a park already strapped for capacity, the reason Studios has such big queues is because of the size of it, if there were say another two lands full of attractions Crush etc. wouldn't have such a big queue.
What does everyone want new lands to be, realistically how many do we need?
I think they should remove star tours from Disneyland Park and add it to the Studios and create a Star Wars land, similar to what is planned in Florida.
Quote from: Oreo on May 21, 2016, 04:21:47 PM
I think they should remove star tours from Disneyland Park and add it to the Studios and create a Star Wars land, similar to what is planned in Florida.
Well I think we can safely say thats never going to happen.
I do think it needs to be renovated and themed more though.
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on May 21, 2016, 04:09:06 PM
For some reason it never occurred to me that the parachutes only work in certain weather, what were they thinking adding rides that only work in certain weather to a park already strapped for capacity, the reason Studios has such big queues is because of the size of it, if there were say another two lands full of attractions Crush etc. wouldn't have such a big queue.
What does everyone want new lands to be, realistically how many do we need?
I'd like Walt Disney Studios to stick to the Pixar films but I could see why that wouldn't be the case. Personally, I'd just keep the minilands idea. Have minilands for Cars (somewhere near the already-existing ride), Finding Nemo (again, near the ride), The Incredibles, Monsters Inc, Up, A Bug's Life and whatever the latest Pixar film would be.
Quote from: Oreo on May 21, 2016, 04:21:47 PM
I think they should remove star tours from Disneyland Park and add it to the Studios and create a Star Wars land, similar to what is planned in Florida.
Although that's unlikely, I wouldn't be against them adding The Iron Man Experience (HKDL) to the Studios. It uses the same ride system.
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on May 21, 2016, 04:09:06 PM
What does everyone want new lands to be, realistically how many do we need?
As you can guess from my answer above, I'm guessing they should add a Marvel Land. That, and a Hollywood Blvd.
That's for starters. I don't think that Marvel Land should be the sole post-berm expansion. They should leave themselves some space for another area. Maybe we'll get lucky and have something relatively unique to the park.
Linking the ToT GoG theme in here but if DLP were going to do a Marvel land type thing it seems strange that they have renovated RnR without adding Marvel, it would be just stood in the middle if they do create a land, but why close it for months and keep the same theme?!
Just a thought :(
^Good point. RnRc is prime for a Marvel makeover, and lends itself even more than the Tower. So it does seem odd to leave it with its current theme. Unless there's some sort of contractual obligation with Aerosmith, which means they'll leave it as is until they can change it.
The more I think about it, the Production Courtyard as it is now would work as a Marvel Land. RnRc becomes Spiderman or maybe even X-Men themed. Moteurs can become a S.H.I.E.L.D. show, and Armageddon could either go completely (Iron Man Experience) or better yet for Tower fans - could be re-purposed as a Guardians attraction (which is unlikely I know!).
And the Tower sits right at the entrance to the land, which then ties it neatly into 'Marvel Courtyard'.
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 21, 2016, 09:58:56 PM
. Moteurs can become a S.H.I.E.L.D. show
An Agents of SHIELD show?
^Sure. They can easily add elements of S.H.I.E.L.D. into the current show. Be it with adding the agency logo on the cars, or even simply adding new cut scenes that reference the characters.
That and ditch Herbie and bring in Lola. ;)
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 22, 2016, 10:22:16 PM
^Sure. They can easily add elements of S.H.I.E.L.D. into the current show. Be it with adding the agency logo on the cars, or even simply adding new cut scenes that reference the characters.
That and ditch Herbie and bring in Lola. ;)
Lola is awesome. They could even have actors pretending to be Hydra agents.
^Yup. The whole show can even stay as it is, with the 'good agent' still trying to keep that envelope away from the 'bad guys'. Just now its something S.H.I.E.L.D. is trying to keep out of the reach of Hydra.
As I say, that'd be a relatively cheap way of bringing more Marvel into the park. I'm surprised they've not done it already.
Even if the longer term plan means Moteurs is heading to Yesterland, it'd still seem like they've tried to add something to the park.
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 24, 2016, 01:29:27 PM
^Yup. The whole show can even stay as it is, with the 'good agent' still trying to keep that envelope away from the 'bad guys'. Just now its something S.H.I.E.L.D. is trying to keep out of the reach of Hydra.
Just imagine if they had a double cross with one of the SHIELD agents revealed to be Hydra during the stunt. :o
OK then, here's a thought.. while we're waiting for any rumours (if any) of what's happening expansion wise.
Wll they even connect the hub area/Disney Bros. Plaza to the new expansion area (ie. remove the Tram Tour station and add a Hollywood Blvd.) or will it just connect via the Production Courtyard and Toy Story Playland?
I guess this option is a little cheaper as it does not require the relocation of the Tour.
Quote from: Rocketeer on May 30, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
OK then, here's a thought.. while we're waiting for any rumours (if any) of what's happening expansion wise.
Wll they even connect the hub area/Disney Bros. Plaza to the new expansion area (ie. remove the Tram Tour station and add a Hollywood Blvd.) or will it just connect via the Production Courtyard and Toy Story Playland?
I guess this option is a little cheaper as it does not require the relocation of the Tour.
Whatever they'd do, I hope they'd keep the tram tour. I love the tram tour.
I don't think the Tramtour is going anywhere. They are going to refresh it with some new scenes in a few months from now. But a reroute is inevitable if they want to expand the park.
Quote from: mickey1980 on May 31, 2016, 10:36:13 PM
I don't think the Tramtour is going anywhere. They are going to refresh it with some new scenes in a few months from now. But a reroute is inevitable if they want to expand the park.
Do we know for sure that they won't re-route it somewhat in the refurbishment?
Quote from: mickey1980 on May 31, 2016, 10:36:13 PM
I don't think the Tramtour is going anywhere. They are going to refresh it with some new scenes in a few months from now. But a reroute is inevitable if they want to expand the park.
I wonder what the new scenes will be?
I wouldn't be surprised if they incorporate stuff from some of their most recent live-action films. Probably a film set based on the Battle of New York from The Avengers and something from Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean.
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on June 04, 2016, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: mickey1980 on May 31, 2016, 10:36:13 PM
I don't think the Tramtour is going anywhere. They are going to refresh it with some new scenes in a few months from now. But a reroute is inevitable if they want to expand the park.
I wonder what the new scenes will be?
I wouldn't be surprised if they incorporate stuff from some of their most recent live-action films. Probably a film set based on the Battle of New York from The Avengers and something from Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean.
I think the intial announcement said they'd have Marvel, Star Wars and Cars as the scenes. New York for sure will be there IMO, Star wars I'm not sure I'd like to think episode VII no idea what though, As for Cars that is anyones guess.
Why not make the Dinotopia gates into the entrance to Maz Kanata's Tavern?
And then just stick a few references of The Avengers into the Reign of Fire set.
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on June 04, 2016, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: MickeyAteMyCap on June 04, 2016, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: mickey1980 on May 31, 2016, 10:36:13 PM
I don't think the Tramtour is going anywhere. They are going to refresh it with some new scenes in a few months from now. But a reroute is inevitable if they want to expand the park.
I wonder what the new scenes will be?
I wouldn't be surprised if they incorporate stuff from some of their most recent live-action films. Probably a film set based on the Battle of New York from The Avengers and something from Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean.
I think the intial announcement said they'd have Marvel, Star Wars and Cars as the scenes. New York for sure will be there IMO, Star wars I'm not sure I'd like to think episode VII no idea what though, As for Cars that is anyones guess.
Cars will probably be something related to Radiator Springs.