On the official website - closed as a mark of respect.
Horrific events unfolded last night. I feel it would be naive to think that such hideous acts against innocent victims and their families won't happen again.
The vile humans that committed these killings and those like them have no regard for sex age nationality or religion.
I am not ashamed to admit I am afraid, I'm afraid of where who and when they strike again I am afraid of what kind of world we are leaving for our children to inherit. I'm afraid of how much more blood will be spilt.
Please stay safe and stay aware
the way to increase personal safety is through education, It's not how to recognize what a terrorist looks like but to recognize terrorist behavior.
For those interested have a look at the videos on the CPNI website
My thoughts are with the people of France at this very sad time, enough is enough these vile so called humans need taking down, anybody already in Disneyland please stay safe
Understandable, not only out of respect to the victims, but also for security, a place filled with thousands of people, a great oercentage if them children, would be too big an aim for a possible attack. Wherever you are right now, be and stay safe and pray to whom/whatever you may believe in for the vistims and their families
What do DLP do though realistically, more bag checks? Check everyone's bags? More cameras? They are just such a soft and easy target with the potential to kill so many people. Imagine 5 guys come in with guns, not particularly difficult as far as I'm aware. Think of the places to open up with tons of people cramped in, Main St, the hub, Space Mountain's queue, Place de Remi, Tower of Terror and so many more. Not to mention how many kids are around.
And you know what could make it even more likely, imagine the horror it would cause to the western world if the happiest place on earth got shot up by terrorists. It would really hammer home that nowhere is safe. DLP need to do SOMETHING. What that is though I have no idea.
It should be strict measures like at the airports, nothing is safe any more.
The current checks are more than sufficient, ease of access is a prime concern when looking for targets.
Anything that gets in the way of that is already a great deterrent.
No need for more security theatre (because that is what most, if not all, of it is).
Sacrificing personal freedoms for the illusion of safety is not worth it.
In spite of what many seem to think.
I read unconfirmed information that DLP will stay closed till 17th of November.
DisneyRon I fail to see how you think the current checks are sufficient. As a lawyer I regularly have to go to Courts and Government buildings and they ALL have metal detectors and bag checks - even for workers. It wouldn't exactly be a huge effort to do this - look at pretty much all the tourist attractions in New York and even some in London. At the least it would stop people getting guns into the parks.
At the moment you could literally get away with carrying a bomb in your backpack - I saw someone go through the 'no bag' line with one and security were oblivious. I know the hotels are a loop hole but how hard would it be to put a 24/7 search in place - not very. Considering how much money we pay for our holidays!!!! Obviously people will always find a way to get around the system but currently it's literally a free for all which is insane.
Mileto - staff haven't heard that yet as my close friend is a CM but I will let you know as she heard about the park closure and was asked to go in today for the hotels only before it was published.
Thank you, Rebecca20, would appreciate it!
You are right about lacking security.
I just tweet @DLPToday who is posting updates from Disney Village
hi, am seeing rumours of the park not opening Sunday or Monday, any info about this?
@DLPToday
Nothing announced yet and no information on the ground. I'll tweet as soon as there's something official.
Quote from: rebecca20 on November 14, 2015, 07:57:22 PM
DisneyRon I fail to see how you think the current checks are sufficient. As a lawyer I regularly have to go to Courts and Government buildings and they ALL have metal detectors and bag checks - even for workers. It wouldn't exactly be a huge effort to do this - look at pretty much all the tourist attractions in New York and even some in London. At the least it would stop people getting guns into the parks.
At the moment you could literally get away with carrying a bomb in your backpack - I saw someone go through the 'no bag' line with one and security were oblivious. I know the hotels are a loop hole but how hard would it be to put a 24/7 search in place - not very. Considering how much money we pay for our holidays!!!! Obviously people will always find a way to get around the system but currently it's literally a free for all which is insane.
Mileto - staff haven't heard that yet as my close friend is a CM but I will let you know as she heard about the park closure and was asked to go in today for the hotels only before it was published.
I think you failed to see my point. My point is not necessarily that security as it is, is sufficient.
It is that the current security situation is literally Security Theatre.
This does not work against a determined attacker, and increasing the current presence would accomplish exactly nothing. It is only there to give visitors the feeling that something is being done, a false sense of security, little more.
That is all Security Theatre is, the TSA at American airports is a prime example.
This year alone they have failed to spot 95% of dummy targets introduced by Homeland Security.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-tsa-airport-security-charade-20150608-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-tsa-airport-security-charade-20150608-story.html) (and many more stories like it)
Their presence accomplishes exactly nothing, other than providing a false sense of security while deteriorating people's rights.
If you think that entry security at the Disney Parks is anything else, then I'm afraid you are mistaken.
There is always the call from people to do something when something horrible like this occurs, but the reality is, there is very little that can be done. A determined attacker will find a way, regardless of how draconian your security measures become. So you might as well not bother.
But measures like this help the public feel safe, even if it is essentially pointless.
The perception of something being done is often enough, even if the efficacy is questionable at best.
Just do not let it go too far (and the TSA is a good example of taking it too far).
I've come to France only to visit DLP and I couldn't do anything. From friday night until monday when we'll be leaving, the only option is stay ar the hotel and spend money at disney stores.
The security issue is bull****, there are thousands of people at Disney village, if anything could happen it could be there too.
The time spent here can't be back, but the money does, and I can't expect anything different. Clients should have some respect too.
It has been announced on InsideDLParis that Disney is to remain closed until Nov 17th, no other confirmation though.
seeing reports now on Twitter that the park WILL BE CLOSED SUNDAY 15, MONDAY 16 TUESDAY 17 NOVEMBER
this information is coming from CM'S who received information on the internal messaging system.
Source https://twitter.com/DedicatedToDLP
It's on the official website too, now.
« We mourn those lost to the horrific attacks in Paris, we pray for the injured and we hold them all in our hearts. As part of France's three-day national mourning period, Disneyland Paris will remain closed through Tuesday 17 November. » Tom Wolber, Président of Euro Disney S.A.S.
DisneyRon you're entitled to your opinion.
I'm certain that security does stop weapons in because I've seen it (I work in Criminal Prosecution). The current Disney situation is, I agree, pointless and would be better off being scrapped.
Personally I would be happy to have whatever security measures they impose on me and always will. We need pro-active security thats efficient - if my local Court can do that then Disneyland should be able to! I don't doubt that Disney will have armed Security within the Parks which would also deter Terrorists but it seems such an obvious choice for DLP to be a target.
I wasn't fully aware how much of an issue terrorism was in France nor the gun crime problems until the past few days. It's really sad how much hate there is in the world.
Just because a determined attacker will always get in doesn't mean we shouldn't try. We need to step up security, at the very least it'll make guests feel safer.
I understand the need to mourn the victims of such a horriffic incident but I have to confess I question DLP's decision, surely at a time like this Disneyland should be providing magic to those who need it and acting as a beacon to help people move on. It is a symbolic gesture sure but I think they could make a much bigger difference by remaining open and helping people that way.
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on November 14, 2015, 10:41:49 PM
I understand the need to mourn the victims of such a horriffic incident but I have to confess I question DLP's decision, surely at a time like this Disneyland should be providing magic to those who need it and acting as a beacon to help people move on. It is a symbolic gesture sure but I think they could make a much bigger difference by remaining open and helping people that way.
It may not be their decision. I have seen reports that Police are telling business in Paris to stay closed. It is very likely Disneyland Paris is acting on Police recommendations and following French protocol during a major incident
Quote from: bad-pink-tink on November 14, 2015, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on November 14, 2015, 10:41:49 PM
I understand the need to mourn the victims of such a horriffic incident but I have to confess I question DLP's decision, surely at a time like this Disneyland should be providing magic to those who need it and acting as a beacon to help people move on. It is a symbolic gesture sure but I think they could make a much bigger difference by remaining open and helping people that way.
It may not be their decision. I have seen reports that Police are telling business in Paris to stay closed. It is very likely Disneyland Paris is acting on Police recommendations and following French protocol during a major incident
Lets not forget they could have other intelligence. It seems unlikely it would have closed because of 'mourning' alone.
I suppose that does make much more sense, for some reason the thought never occurred to me. It sucks for all the people there though, with the parks being closed for so many days really it takes up all of some people's vacations. Still much better than another incident happening.
Quote from: diogo3232 on November 14, 2015, 09:20:25 PM
I've come to France only to visit DLP and I couldn't do anything. From friday night until monday when we'll be leaving, the only option is stay ar the hotel and spend money at disney stores.
The security issue is bull****, there are thousands of people at Disney village, if anything could happen it could be there too.
The time spent here can't be back, but the money does, and I can't expect anything different. Clients should have some respect too.
I sorry to hear you're stuck there and limited to Disney village only, you make a very good point about the security at present it's public knowledge that the parks are closed and if a terrorist wanted to act they'd know everyone will be there.
I think or so I've read from DLP they've closed for a period of mourning, which I understand completely. I for one am deeply saddend (as we all are I'm sure) that this has took place and took the lives of so many innocent people.
In saying that I do feel for the holiday makers/Disney lovers stranded there like you right now.
I kind of sit on a fence post regarding security measures being increased. Of course I think something needs to be done, but what and how I do not know? I've read through comments and can see everyone has very valid points as to why DLP should/shouldn't.
I mean they could like airports put in more stringent checks yes that'd help. Although I do think if terrorists where he'll bent on acting they'd think of a way round it, would they have to enter the park? No, how many people leave after the dreams Show?
We've never done self drive but I can't imagine there are much security measures in going to hotel? And even so you can walk straight from he petrol station into the Santa fe hotel complex leading to the Cheyenne/sequioa/NBC/HNY I know because we have walked there and back on many occasions in the past. So I'm just thinking I'm all for security for DLP but, there are other busy areas that can be easily targeted.
It really isn't nice knowing that these people can/will strike at anytime. And although this incident sadly happend in Paris I'm afraid to say nowhere is safe. Many years ago I was at bluewater shopping centre (near Christmas it was rammed full) we were evacuated outside and it closed because of a bomb threat. We were all really scared and nobody was hurt and all was all ok. But my point is Unfortunatly this is part of life now the fear that these people can do this. How we stop it? I think the governments need to unite and do something.
I really do hope we don't read or hear of anything as tragic as what we did on this day never again. But the sad reality is this will continue until something is done. The news when I first heard deeply saddend me as I'm sure it did for many of us, it makes me so angry that anyone thinks they have the right to act in this way and take innocent lifes away as they see fit! Prayers to all those involved and their families at this very sad time x
I'm not sure increased security would do much more than increase people's sense of security. After all, the number one thing these organisations want to do is cause terror. And whether they blow themselves up at a security checkpoint (which, with more stringent security measures will be more crowded), inside the park or outside the train station, people will feel terrified. Even if they end up not killing any innocent bystanders, they will have succeeded.
Don't get me wrong, I agree there should be security. They can keep out the less organized criminals/disgruntled former employees/scorned lovers and whatnot that get their hands on a gun and decide it's payback time.
No amount of security could've stopped what happened in Paris (or London all those years ago), though. I mean you can't expect people to go through a TSA-style security check every time they go to a restaurant or get on a bus to commute to work.
Unfortunately, I think these acts of terror are something we'll have to learn to live with until politicians can come up with more viable, long-term solutions than "simply" killing the head of a terrorist group (they'll only split off into different groups). And in the mean time, belief that intelligence organisations are doing their utmost to prevent these kind of terrorist attacks from happening.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure security at Disney Village and the hotels has increased significantly at the moment. Even if you're unaware of it.
I'll never understand how humans can commit such heinous crimes, though.
I follow you there in your comment.
Where is it going to, if you visit a concert, and you get a full body/frisk search :-\
I would like to agree that the security measures could be more efficient. Being in the industry from nearly 20 years I see the bag screeners not paying attention to the images as they talk to their work colleagues. I would like to see a walk through metal detectors. I know that this would slow down entry to the parks but it's a small price to pay for safety.
I would also like to see more of a presence inside the parks and not just at the gates.
Never the less this would only change the type of possible attack to that of a ceramic blade etc.It will be extremely difficult to make the risk of an attack zero.
About the presence inside the park, there actually is.
I've seen it many times, men in regular clothes, a jackes flies open because of wind, and there's the gun, so they do have people in cognito walking around.
Quote from: nathalie on November 15, 2015, 08:11:11 PM
About the presence inside the park, there actually is.
I've seen it many times, men in regular clothes, a jackes flies open because of wind, and there's the gun, so they do have people in cognito walking around.
Plain clothed officers are in the park I have seen them too. I am talking about more visible deterrent/presence.
I like to believe that all disney parks have some kind of sinister defences stored away from the public eye, should any atrocities happen.
I see the security measures similar to protecting your home from burglary.
Is someone wants to get in, they will no matter what you do, so only thing you can do is put measures in place to make it a harder target in a hope they go elsewhere.
This may sound a harsh way to look at it, but as long as you aren't a soft target and have some protection in place then they will hopefully go elsewhere else-
So if it takes walk through metal detectors and scan bags then i dont have a problem with that.as long as not leaving the door unlocked so to speak!!
I like that at disneyland you can feel safe. tbh I feel more on edge walking pat tge any people that parade outside abd through bag checks or if there are mounted police. it makes me think they are concerned (yes they should be but I don't want to be reMinded of it at every turn) I think if you had armed guards within the park on corners etc it wouldn't feel a very magical place
Wouldn't they bring the army back?
I've seen those a number of times during my visits.
When I first visited in 2004, army was all over the park, that actually scared me more, lol.
It'd be great if they could dress up the army to make it fit a little more with the parks, Give them futuristic uniforms in Discoveryland, knight uniforms in fantasyland, cowboy uniforms in frontierland. Just so that they are still a deterrent (armed men and women usually are) to any terrorists but they aren't too distracting for the average guest.
The parks will open tomorrow at 10am.
thats great news
thanks for letting us know
13 days and counting
Quote from: mrpiggywinkles52 on November 16, 2015, 05:27:04 PM
It'd be great if they could dress up the army to make it fit a little more with the parks, Give them futuristic uniforms in Discoveryland, knight uniforms in fantasyland, cowboy uniforms in frontierland. Just so that they are still a deterrent (armed men and women usually are) to any terrorists but they aren't too distracting for the average guest.
A pair of mouse ears would go great, too!