According to this article major investments will be coming to our beloved resort. In short:
- rehabs in disneyland paris will speed up
- BTM, Space Mountain and Star Tours 2.0 rehabs before 2017.
- Space Mountain may return to Terre de la Lune
- BTM to get new effects and perhaps an interactive waiting line
- Rehab of Hotel New York to start this year. Followed by hotel Cheyenne. Cheyenne is planned to be finished when NBC will be finished. After that Disneyland hotel will be renovated in 2 fases. 1 before the 25th anniversary, 1 after. A michelin star chef will be working in one of the Disneyland hotel restaurants.
- village will be brought to the 21st century and expanded.
- toy story mania as an expansion for toy story playland.
- backlot becomes Marvel land with Rock and Rollercoaster re-theme to Spidey spinning its web through NYC, Stuntshow to become agents of SHIELD, Armageddon becoming Fantastic Four. New Stark and NYC facades.
- studio 1 becoming 30's Disney Studios theme
- Soarin in Adventureland. Behind Indy (hope not)
- Avengers ride and area
- more landscaping in the studios
- Star Wars land as an expansion of Star Tours 2.0
- more Captain Jack influences on Skull island
Source: http://www.independentguidebooks.com/blog/2014/4/20/disneyland-paris-rumour-incredibly-detailed-10-year-roadmap-from-2014
This entire article is a bunch of crap (excuse my language).
99% is fake and the other 1% is what we already know but the dates are wrong.
Nothing of this is based on real plans!
I hate how this spreads like an open fire and people actually believe this and are getting there hopes up.
The person who wrote this article did nothing more than just sum up all the wishes from the fanbase, that's it.
I don't belive it, From what I've heard from Disneyandmore articles over the past year they will be upgrading the ride control system on Big Thunder so that it doesn't take 1 hour + to restart it after it breaks down but I doubt we will get the new effects from that are at California.
Startours 2 will eventually come but I don't think it will be anytime soon and Space Mountain won't go back to the original themeing, it'll just get new trains at some point maybe for the 20th anniversary (they could then market it next year)
There isn't going to be any new rides for a longtime, Ratatouille was the last ride that TWDC are building for DLRP and from now on EuroDisney have to finance new rides themselves.
Quote from: DLRPWonders on April 22, 2014, 12:58:20 PMThis entire article is a bunch of crap (excuse my language).99% is fake and the other 1% is what we already know but the dates are wrong.Nothing of this is based on real plans! I hate how this spreads like an open fire and people actually believe this and are getting there hopes up.The person who wrote this article did nothing more than just sum up all the wishes from the fanbase, that's it.
I wrote it, and my article is everything but not a "bunch of crap" !
Our team has worked very hard the last 2 months to discover those futur plans, at the highest levels of EuroDisney, Walt Disney Imagineering , Disneyland Paris Imagineering, The Walt Disney Company / Parks&Resorts and the townhall of Chessy. Of course we can't show you any map or concept art (just try to bring out of WDI office one of those or to take a photo of them and you'll understand why) but those are the real plans they're working on.
So how can you say that we lie, and who are you young girl to say so ?
And most, if not all, has been approved since the release of this article in private by many people "who knows"
Many things have changed since the news of last summer, and you'll discover how and why very soon, TWDC want DLP to become the Resort it was always meant to be (great, big and beautifull : a real cash cow), not in a distant future, but in 3 Years from now for the most important, and before 2022 for the remaining.
And for the people who might be interested, the article will be available in english in the coming days ;)
Thank you for the backup. I was suprised by the replies. It is not stated as facts considering the topic title. No one exactly knows what is coming. Even Disneyandmore states theis information always is subject of change, and Alain wrote in his last future related DLP article the future could change any time. Nonetheless I asked his opinion on this matter. I hope that is okay Jeff?
In one way the plans definately sound probable and it fits to let the kingdom shine as it should be after all those struggling years.. Even the Space Mountain part. As it never was reshaped to mission 2 by WDI (if i read it correctly).
@Jeff: 2022? The third park?
Of course, you can ask Alin what he knows about that plan.
No, the third park, at this time, is meant to open in Spring 2032. And that was said officially not even 3 months ago to some people ;)
Until 2022 they will bring the resort to it's full glory and transform the WDS in a real Disney Park, the next 10 Years will more focus on growing by little touches so they can save as much money as possible to finally pay their debt and bring to life that new Park (and never again do the same mistake than with the WDS)
Nice tor read some exciting news!, really excited about the agents of shield part, replacing the stuntshow, that needed something new, will be brilliant to see!
Well jeff than I have 1 question.
If the third gate is to open in 2032 as you say how than can they do that when all other info online states that the contract with the french coverment is clear that it must be open by 2030.
Also a lot of the things you say are well I don't know ??? rumours that are pretty known.
As you wrote:
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Well that is the problem here. You say a lot without any proof. What would you think when someone says a things we all hope/know and doesn't comes with any proof.
I don't think you lie but well don't blame me for being skeptical.
If all these plans will become reality we will have some interesting years ahead of us.
Because that is not what is written in the contract ;)
It just says that Disney must start the actual works on it and begin to use the place before 2030.
So if I understand you correctly if they start building on 31-12-2029 they have done what they need acording the contract
That's it ;)
In fact, i can understand that someone don't trust what we say (even if a lot of people have aleady heard some parts whispered in dlp's backstages).
But i can't accept someone who says, based on nothing more concrete, that we are just liars and that it is just some kind of fanfic.
Oh its fake, lets stem it.
If you could provide proof, happily in private - I'll even back you up.
But right now point by point.
Hotel refurbs - we knew that from What's new What's next. Your order is incorrect though.
Village improvements - to be fair, this have been covered to death, look at the lego store and World of Disney. They're currently putting up the new signage - indulged a little there.
TWDC financing. No large scale financial plans until after Shanghai. Sadly Disney isn't allowed to declare this and then break that, legally. Seriously check this one.
Seasons - we have them already and they've publicly stated they'll be expanded.
Space Mountain is happening.
Big Thunder - definitely no extra carts on the train.
Star Tours 3D - Nope, again Philippe Gas said no.
Armageddon - Nope, again Gas said no.
RnR retheme - nope.
Stunt show is staying as is with the return of the bigger stunts.
Mid Way mania, its never been denied - but again, another attraction in the densest part of the park? Really?
Soarin' - possible probability but theres no solid plan.
New Marvel ride - likely to be the choice of theme, but don't expect it until after the 25th - educated guess.
Red trolley - definitely not anytime soon.
Avatar clone - Definitely not. Made up beyond all comprehension.
New hotel is coming though.
And from where do you know what Gas has decided ? You don't have anymore proof ;)
But, if you know someone well placed inside ED, just ask him what happened early April, and you'll know that I'm telling the truth ;)
I can't say more.
Quote from: Jeff.ED92 on April 23, 2014, 12:06:59 AM
And from where do you know what Gas has decided ? You don't have anymore proof ;)
But, if you know someone well placed inside ED, just ask him what happened early April, and you'll know that I'm telling the truth ;)
I can't say more.
You're kidding right?
Gas spoke at the Shareholders roundtable in London.
Gas spoke at the shareholders annual meeting. - Theres a video on YouTube...
Disney spoke for the earnings report.
The CEO isn't proof enough?
You'll see... And I already accept your apologies ;)
Gas is really the last Man you have to trust. An example ? Last june he said at a round table that the fate of Fantillusion wasn't decided yet, while at the same Time they were destroying 2 of its floats for Halloween.
I say it again: something has changed early April.
Quote from: Jeff.ED92 on April 23, 2014, 12:20:17 AM
You'll see... And i la ready accept your apologies ;)
Gas is really the last Man you have to trust. An example ? Last june he said at a round table that the fate of Fantillusion wasn't decided yet, while at the same Time they were destroying 2 of its floats for Halloween.
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Three of the floats are still safe from Fantillusion. The light fan within would love to see a light cavalcade.
I do trust him, he did take the time to stick around after the roundtable and talk to the fans.
Share wise the company is still the same makeup. Financially DLP have about €300m retainer. I have no high level contacts inside Euro Disney, and the only contacts we do have seem to not have a great deal planned.
The 25th plan is in a working draft stage. Is this the meeting your looking to?
He has just done what he is paid for ;)
Gas is very, very good, in communication. That's why he is still at the head of ED, even if day by day he has less decisional power while TWDC influence rise in Paris with the help of many 100% american people like Schott (and that's why we untitled the article "Game of Thrones" LOL).
No, I'm not speaking of the 25th meetings, that is something totally different, but I think I've said enough for now. Perhaps you will better understand with the english version of our article.
I'm understanding your concept.
However I don't understand a few things:
1. How is it being paid for? Euro Disney doesn't have the money. TWDC has said it isn't spending.
2. I'd be very interested in any source for wide ranging additions outside of Hotels/Village, because its basically dreaming up a larger concept than we've seen green lit across the entire American estate.
1. You're wrong, TWDC "changed" it's minds. In fact since sept.2012, Disney observed everything for a long year, in order to decide the best path for our Resort. In fact the stop of all projets last summer was to work on this new plan with a financial help of TWDC, because now they know the ED won't be able to pay everything by itself for all the works that need to be done quickly : rehab the DLPark and bring the WDS to Disney standards, so the Resort can rise its prices and its overall experience to finally become profitable.
So in a word : TWDC will help ;)
2. Sorry but my weak english dont understand your question :)
TWDC can't say one thing in the annual financial report and then do the opposite. It's illegal.
Second question, do you not think for a poorly performing resort, spending a lot (more than ever been spent in any park ever) is the best plan?
Illegal ? From where ? They just changed their minds, couldn't say it officialy at the time, ... Just choose the answer you want, I've plenty ^^ If TWDC want to help ED, they can as long as the Board is okay.
So for your second question :
More than ever ? Do you forgot the 1 Billion plan for DCA ? the 1.5/2 Billion for NextGen ? TWDC will survive to a little 300 Million plan ;)
And yes, DLP under performs... But with the economic crisis soon to become past, its the perfect time to prepare the future, and TWDC knows that DLP must be : good as new and up to date as soon as possible if they want to see their money back. Remember Sept.2012, now they have the best reason on Earth to transform DLP (the last mistake of the Eisner Era that has yet to be corrected) into a cashcow ;)
Can I ask a question please - ignore me if it is not too relevent....
It seems to me that DLP is a pretty good Barometer of the current financial situation. I know at the moment we have record number of Brits and Germans going (countries doing, lets be fair, pretty well ATM). I also know French guests (as well as i think Netherlands and Belgium) not so good (countries struggling and pretty much being held afloat by Germany). There seems to be no mention of the situation easing in the Eurozone right now, but hope for a couple of years (especially with positive noises coming from Greece and the like).
So would the following not be a sugestion that thisa might be true?!
1. DLP will want a big draw when the French economy bounces back - something large maybe this will be in two or three years
2. Disney do large bailout plans and they work - look at anaheim
3. Walt Disney Studios is a prime candidate for a big masterplan - lots of space and in dire need
4. Some of these upgrades/new rides will not even need new buildings. Star tours2 with a Jedi training academy and cantina, the buildings are all there. Armagedon is already there, RnR is already there, the stunt show is already there
5. The elephant in the room. what happens if the Paramount park in London gets the green light? that is massive competition and DLP must respond surely? this is due for 2017 isn't it?
6. 25th anniversary 2017
am i talking nonsense or would these things all suggest something must happen?!?
your opinions would be great guys; thanks!
Thanks Jeff! Really exciting plans. Looking forward to it. ;D
1. Definitely
2. True, but Anaheim has the guests already, they just gave people a better reason to visit. Oddly Anaheim suffers a different problem - most of its guests are local.
3. It has a master plan, thats not disputed.
4. Upgrades are nice, but cost a ton to do, and you can't market them anywhere near as well as a new ride. It also doesn't add capacity to the park or enlarge the footprint. The priority is building out currently.
5. May hurt, although I'd doubt it. Universal struggles along in Orlando with Disney just 15 minutes away.
Theres a plan but you'll see some of the DLP insiders are already calling out the "plan" https://twitter.com/disneylandberry/status/458930039422484480
But surely the Orlando Universal is different? they launch a huge new Harry Potter theme with the train to linkt their two parks, and when they attract holiday goers they all have to stay in the Disney hotels because the Universal has so few hotels...they are a positive competition to Disneyworld (something DLP could really do with)
If this Paramount park in London is as big as they say it will be (3rd biggest park in the world), then surely this is competition, and people would go there instead of Disney? especially because London is such a vibrant place at the moment compared to Paris.
I'm not sure how much competition a park in London would be to DLP, other than for the UK market. One of the reasons Paris was chosen in the first place is because it's easy to access for many Europeans - don't forget that people from Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg and of course France can simply drive up there rather cheaply and in a few hours. Personally I wouldn't consider visiting a theme park in London over DLP, travel costs cannot compete.
the second largest visiting market by quite a long way to the resort is the brits...
we make up 700k visitors a year. the rest of europe (excpet Germany) is all down on visitors due to their economic struggles.
the best way to access Disneyland is often by Eurostar from London on a 3 hour rail trip. This is expensive, and it is where the new park will be.
Don't forget Europa park in Rust, Germany has a new Arthur and the Incredibles land launched. between UK and Germany we are talking about 1m guests PA...
Maybe you are right and this will be no competition at all. when the announcement was made though i was very hopeful this might stimulate growth in the Disney Parks.
Thanks for the responses guys!
Disney has a broad fanbase. Paramount does not have this love for a brand. Nor do the other major EU themeparks. For many DLP is a bit more special to visit. I think telling your kids they can meet Mickey or Rango they probably say Mickey.
But hey... aren't we getting a bit too much off topic? :)
I think allot of it depends on the scale - we go to LEGOLAND for a day each year, there's nothing more to visit after a day ( as far as a year's holiday goes anyway), and whilst we pay £1600 for our 7 person family to go to Disney for a week inc. travel, it would cost £400 for us to spend one night at LEGOLAND!, I know which is more magical for us! Size wise nothing in England can compare.
Quote from: never2old on April 25, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
I'm not sure how much competition a park in London would be to DLP, other than for the UK market. One of the reasons Paris was chosen in the first place is because it's easy to access for many Europeans - don't forget that people from Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg and of course France can simply drive up there rather cheaply and in a few hours. Personally I wouldn't consider visiting a theme park in London over DLP, travel costs cannot compete.
Well I don't agree with you on that.
You can fly to london pretty easy and cheap. From Amsterdam it is only an hour flight.
For the travel costs I think with the gas prices here and the peage in france that the plane to london would be as cheap as a trip to paris.
London can be a turn off also. France has a romanticism about it.
Quote from: beenmoff1 on April 25, 2014, 10:17:32 AM
But surely the Orlando Universal is different? they launch a huge new Harry Potter theme with the train to linkt their two parks, and when they attract holiday goers they all have to stay in the Disney hotels because the Universal has so few hotels...they are a positive competition to Disneyworld (something DLP could really do with)
If this Paramount park in London is as big as they say it will be (3rd biggest park in the world), then surely this is competition, and people would go there instead of Disney? especially because London is such a vibrant place at the moment compared to Paris.
Theres a ton of non-Disney hotels in Orlando. I stay in one closer to Universal (International Palms on I-Drive) but in several years I've never missed the mouse but occasional skip Universal.
There may be a small dip, but Disney is Disney and I can't see many being swayed to visit Paramount Park if they're already doing Disney.
I live close to the proposed site of the paramount park but I will certainly being heading to disney. along with all the other theme parks in the uk and like some one commented earlier this place will cost bomb to visit for one day let alone for a whole week...and the magic simply won't be there...
I'd probably give the Paramount park a try, but it won't hold a candle to any of the Disney parks.
Anyway.. the rumours for DLRP are very interesting. I can certainly see some of them happening, some of the others can certainly be in the consideration stage thats for sure. It just all depends on what funds are available and what direction they feel the need to go with the parks (WDS in particular).
Regarding the Paramount park, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not sure whats going on with Paramount, but there have been several long running rumours and announcements of Paramount parks previously around the world that have come to nothing so far.
As for London not being a good location - well the eurostar goes both ways! and so does the euro tunnel, and the ferry's. So if people from anywhere in Europe want to drive to London they can.
Quote from: Jeff.ED92 on April 23, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
1. You're wrong, TWDC "changed" it's minds. In fact since sept.2012, Disney observed everything for a long year, in order to decide the best path for our Resort. In fact the stop of all projets last summer was to work on this new plan with a financial help of TWDC, because now they know the ED won't be able to pay everything by itself for all the works that need to be done quickly : rehab the DLPark and bring the WDS to Disney standards, so the Resort can rise its prices and its overall experience to finally become profitable.
So in a word : TWDC will help ;)
2. Sorry but my weak english dont understand your question :)
Raise its prices? that would be a stupid move. Already many many people realise that DLP is too expensive and that for hardly any extra they can go to WDW instead. Raising the prices further will reduce attendance further.
Quote from: anthony2k6 on May 12, 2014, 12:42:26 AM
Quote from: Jeff.ED92 on April 23, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
1. You're wrong, TWDC "changed" it's minds. In fact since sept.2012, Disney observed everything for a long year, in order to decide the best path for our Resort. In fact the stop of all projets last summer was to work on this new plan with a financial help of TWDC, because now they know the ED won't be able to pay everything by itself for all the works that need to be done quickly : rehab the DLPark and bring the WDS to Disney standards, so the Resort can rise its prices and its overall experience to finally become profitable.
So in a word : TWDC will help ;)
2. Sorry but my weak english dont understand your question :)
Raise its prices? that would be a stupid move. Already many many people realise that DLP is too expensive and that for hardly any extra they can go to WDW instead. Raising the prices further will reduce attendance further.
Yes DLP is expensive but When you can still sleep there and enter the parks for 5 days for €270 I don't think it is that expencive.
I wanted to stay at europa park but those hotels would be over €500 for 4 days.
And if you go to Phantasialand and sleep in one of the hotels you pay about €100 a night without entrance to the park.
That is some other prices don't you think
Any more info on these speculations? Any official (or unofficial) updates?
It was an indulgence in the truth when it was posted. It still fairly is.
Jedi Training Academy seems to be the next project on the cards.