There's been a petition floating around (mainly on twitter) for a while, asking the public to petition Bob Iger, CEO The Walt Disney Company to get his act in gear and save our European resort before it declines any further!
I thought it a good idea to share it with forum members who perhaps aren't on twitter, or who haven't heard of it.
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Save Disneyland Paris from what I wonder? The Walt Disney Company has always stepped in and saved DLP when the resort most needed it, otherwise it would have closed 20 years ago when the resort faced bankruptcy for the first time. And last year when WDC bought Euro Disney's debt from the banks and hedge funds to give the company more financial freedom.
This is the article that the creator of the petition wrote beforehand:
http://www.leparcorama.com/2013/07/14/t ... ing-story/ (http://www.leparcorama.com/2013/07/14/the-increasingly-bad-state-of-disneyland-paris-a-neverending-story/%22%20target=%22_blank%22%20rel=%22nofollow)
I've tried reading the article and I will try harder. I'm glad that fans care so much about DLP. Euro Disney should be a for profit company. Look at the Studios which has been transformed since it first opened in 2002. TOT was built and Hollywood Boulevard, Crushes Coaster, The Stitch Encounter and Playhouse Disney both in the boring Television Studio Tour. TSPL has added some much needed theming to the Studios and Ratatouille is opening next year. Nothing about Disney Dreams, the best show ever at DLP. It's the same old story about maintenance, yet DLP have been refurbishing their hotels and rightly so. The WOD store has opened in the Village and a new Lego Store is opening in the Autumn.
But It's a good topic anyway.
P.S Gave up with the article.
I think you have to be in the DLP know how to know the park is essentially a franchise, and because of that it won't be as the same as the parks in the US.
The park will always have a catch 22 situation of this ride needs maintenance but we can't close it down as people will complain. If you don't do the maintenance people will complain
I have been to DLP this year and the year before and I thought the resort looked great. Disneyland Park is amazing and I could not see the horrible stuff people talk about.
I think that DLP do the best that they can with what they have to work with.
In WDW you don't see graffiti on the rides inside the attractions etc but I honestly think this is due to the mentality of the people who visit. I would never dream of writing on attraction walls and climbing over fences to sit on manicured lawns etc but sadly a large portion of European visitors to DLP think this behaviour is ok as is proof of the graffiti that I have witnessed on every visit, sitting on the gardens behind the railings when Dreams and fireworks are on etc and the constant pushing and shoving to get to characters etc.
As I said though this is something that you kind of expect when at DLP and you learn to deal with it. DLP have the most beautiful park out of DLP and WDW but customs and cultures vary the world over and as (I believe) DLP has a much larger range of cultures that visit their park, they do the best they can with the budget and time that they have to work with.
I remember when we last stayed at the NBC Hotel, a child, i assume it was child and not an adult, had taken an ink pen and drawn a stripe down the hotel corridor wall. It didn't look good, but I don't blame Disney if they can't redecorate every time someone behaves like that.
Issues about maintenance come up at the Disney Parks in America i'm sure, but on these boards we focus on DLP.
I read the article and its just sounds like one of those people who complains at everything.
Quote from: "orangarnold"I read the article and its just sounds like one of those people who complains at everything.
Totally agree!
Yes, there are many problems at DLP - and I there are many points I critizise, too - but the Petition is by far to harsh and overdoos almost any point.
If one wants his/her opinion to be accepted as serious by the addressee, one should try to describe a realistic state and not a overdone one - because, if you are unrealistic and too harsh in 7 out of 10 points of your list, the addressee will be very likely to disregard the 3 realistic, too, even if it would be wise to think about them, as he expects them to be described unrealistic, too.
Quote from: "orangarnold"I read the article and its just sounds like one of those people who complains at everything.
+1
Having re-read the petition several times and having signed it myself, I can completely see where the author of the petition is coming from.
I agree that DLP is the most beautiful of parks and due to the sheer increasing volume of visitors it needs to be given more of a financial budget to meet the demands of the visiting guests, be them first time or repeat visitors.
In particular I can understand about the ride and attraction situation. When I first visited the resort back in September 2002 and then again for Christmas 2003, you had the streetmosphere acts, the Mickey's Winter Wonderland Show, the Winnie the Pooh show where the new Mickey Mouse meet and greet now resides, the Fantillusion show etc and now these have all disappeared. It would not be such an issue if these disappearing attractions were being replaced by something new or more modern but they are not. In fact you are paying more money for less attractions now a days.
As has been noticed in recent trip reports, cut backs also have started to effect elements of rides and attractions. For example the Studio Tram Tour in Catastrophe Canyon no longer has as many pyrotechnic effects, dolls on "it's a small world" that used to move now remain stationary, certain sound effects on some rides may be turned off, in "Stitch Live!" it is now hit and miss and to whether you will see a full show or a shortened version.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE DLP and would happily give my last penny ( and frequently do!!) to visit here, but given how much Disney charge to stay here, and the fact this price increases annually, you would hope to have a larger and more updated range of rides and attractions, better quality of counter-service food and better kept condition of facilities now in 2013 compared to what I experienced back in 2002.
At the end of the article, what the author is hoping for is that TWDC buy up Euro Disney and wipe out their debts to solve the maintenance and financial problems, that seems to be his answer to the problem. I don't think that can happen.
When I first went to DLP there was no Space Mountain, no Indiana Jones, no WDS. I regret the cutting of Stage Shows and Fantillusion, but now we have Disney Dreams which is awesome and has been on nightly for people to enjoy, Fantillusion was only on during the Summer and Christmas seasons.
I'm not defending Euro Disney and fans are right to sign the petition if they feel strongly enough.
As yet I'm not persuaded to sign because DLP should be making a profit, it doesn't, and yet with the help of TWDC it survives, not that they could walk away from it.
Disney would never let something with the Disney name be that publicly humiliated by going bankrupt.
It is odd how the park is loosing money like it does though
I think there's a valid point about the attitude of some people - as a Brit, I'm amazingly good at queuing and not being rude, and of course being quietly disapproving . This isn't the same of continental Europeans - the French seem particularly good at rudeness. I will temper my comment with the fact that Swedes, the Dutch, and Germans are also pretty good human beings in my experience.
The attitudes some have when it comes to queueing is just wrong, normally I say excuse me loudly and firmly in French and English.
The problem is its not the park's problem that people don't have the basic courtesy to respect that others are ahead of them.
I go nowhere near as often as quite a lot of forum members but-
I have to say that my only moan was about guests behaviour on our last visit-
People pushing to get into Animagique-so much so little children were crying.
Behaviour of guests in Inventions
People pushing in/queue jumping-I think the greatest tactic is "I need to get to my family!" that seemed to happen on EVERY ride. :roll:
And a womans derogatory comments about dsabled people to a CM at the Parachute drop.
OH! And EVERY morning we would walk into a spotless park-an hour or so later you are seeing CMs sweeping up the endless fag butts and rubbish dropped on the floor!
We also got talking to an American family who are are touring all the Disney Parks over the coming couple of years. They were saying that, in the America Parks, which they frequent often, that if guests carried on the way they saw some behave in our very much loved DLP, they would be kicked out of the park.
As for maintenance-we saw ladies and gentlemen suited and booted carrying lists and blue prints walking up and down Main Street, talking in huddles and pointing at buidlings(I wanted to go listen! But got a look off my kids!)
We saw teams of gardeners out and fresh paint signs around Main Street and Adventure Land.
When we arrived on the Monday, a maintenance crew were starting on the lights from NPB to the Village-fresh paint-the shades washed and bulbs changed-It looked beautiful by the time Saturday night came.
My concern about the article is if people constantly criticize DLP like that it's going to put people of from going, which would be a shame. What's the author in the article saying, Disney can't run theme parks and DLP is falling in to rack and ruin. The Walt Disney Company is one of the most successful companies in the world and DLP is open for business everyday of the year.
I'm sure maintenance is going on all the time around the resort, but some fans like to focus on the faults. I know DLP can be expensive when staying at one of their hotels and some constructive criticism is fair enough and could even be helpful to them. I can see some of it from both sides, as a customer and as someone who is concerned about the financial side of the business.
As far as rude guests are concerned Disney should kick them out, but probably can't. I'm sure you get rude guests in Disney theme parks in America though.
Quote from: "ed-uk"I'm sure you get rude guests in Disney theme parks in America though.
Oh it does and it can be much worse.
I mean, DLP really needs more live show on stages! I love DLP. I was in DLP 5 times (3x in last year), but now i have nothing to go in DLP again in one-two years or so...
No live show (Tarzan, Lion king, Mickey Winter Wonderland, empty castle stage, no Fantillusion...) atraction in bad condition (not all), nothing new... Yes, Dreams are nice, but i want more for all times in the day... I signed this petition for this.
(sorry for my bad english)
Us fans always want more and looking on the bright side the new Ratatouille ride and restaurant opens in the WDS next year. Judging from the photos I've seen it's looking very impressive and a big investment for the future. But I guess whatever Disney do regarding stage shows, or anything else, it has got to make financial sense to them. And I think they've been right to plus the WDS with new rides and theming and expand the park. DLP fans were crying out for it.
It is a shame that we have lost streetmosphere (Although I thoroughly enjoyed the brass quartet on our latest visit-They were there EVERY time we walked by! Very impressive and really gave a huge heapful of Disney magic to Main Street) and stage shows, but, as ed-uk says, we can't have it both ways. We can't have DLP continuously losing money yet develop great rides.
Although money is going to be EXTREMELY tight with my eldest starting University in a few weeks, I am determined to save up and get back ASAP to see the new Ratatouille ride.
Quote from: "tubbsy"It is a shame that we have lost streetmosphere (Although I thoroughly enjoyed the brass quartet on our latest visit-They were there EVERY time we walked by! Very impressive and really gave a huge heapful of Disney magic to Main Street) and stage shows, but, as ed-uk says, we can't have it both ways. We can't have DLP continuously losing money yet develop great rides.
Although money is going to be EXTREMELY tight with my eldest starting University in a few weeks, I am determined to save up and get back ASAP to see the new Ratatouille ride.
I know it means buying the Sun for two weeks, but there is the offer they run around Christmas time for cheap tickets?
Really? Havent seen that! May have to go and investigate! Thank you :)
Quote from: "tubbsy"Really? Havent seen that! May have to go and investigate! Thank you :)
I'll put a post up when it starts up again, I make a point of using them every year as a perfect excuse for a short break
Thank you so much! :D Will keep an eye out
Saw this reported on a few newspaper websites today:
Quote from: The IndependentDisneyland Paris feels fury of disenchanted customers as more than 5,000 visitors sign petition demanding higher standards
Theme park enthusiast starts petition after being shocked by closed attractions and 're-heated food in one of the most expensive restaurants'
Christian Sylt Friday 13 September 2013 (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/disneyland-paris-feels-fury-of-disenchanted-customers-as-more-than-5000-visitors-sign-petition-demanding-higher-standards-8815748.html)
More than 5,000 theme park fans have signed a petition demanding higher standards at Disneyland Paris – amid complaints about poor food, broken rides and a lack of stage shows. The petition was sent earlier this week to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company which owns 39.8 per cent of Disneyland Paris.
Belgian theme park enthusiast Guillaume Gallant was spurred into starting the petition after a disappointing recent visit to park. He says he was shocked to find that four of the shows had been cancelled, two attractions were closed and food in one of the most expensive restaurants appeared to have been re-heated.
"We received our dishes in less than five minutes which is obviously too short a time for our food to have been cooked after we ordered," says Mr Gallant. He adds that "ride breakdowns are already common under normal circumstances but I've never seen so many of them... The loss of entertainment even reaches a critical point this year, as it's the first summer season with not a single stage show at all in the Disneyland Park. This is a first in DLP history and probably among all the Disney parks world-wide."
Ever since its ornate iron gates swung open in 1992, Disneyland Paris has been considered the poor relation to its bigger brother in Florida, which has three times more parks along with consistently better weather. But against expectations it has become Europe's most-visited theme park complex, with a record 16m guests last year. This gives it nearly as many visitors as the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre combined.
However, Mr Gallant says quality has been sacrificed in the drive grow boost attendance figures while reducing costs. His petition has been translated into six languages and, by Friday, had been signed by 5,127 people. The petition is an embarrassing development for Euro Disney's 50 year-old chief executive Philippe Gas. Since he took over in September 2008 Euro Disney, the operator of Disneyland Paris, has made total net losses of €272.3m.
A spokesperson for Disneyland Paris says that "both The Walt Disney Company and the management of Disneyland Paris are dedicated to ensuring that our resort offers each of its guests a magical experience. We take guest comments very seriously and use them to help us evaluate our processes and procedures." Mr Gallant says that Mr Iger's response "will be an opportunity for Disney to show that they care, not only about their guests, but about their product and brand image in Europe".
Disneyland Paris has been battered by a series of scandals with the most recent coming in June this year when a French court fined Euro Disney €150,000 for employing two retired policemen to spy on job applicants between 1997 and 2004. Euro Disney claimed it had been in the interests of security. Last year staff marched on strike through Disneyland Paris calling for a pay increase of at least 4 per cent compared to the 1.5% on offer.
Having read the petition, on the maintenance side, as per the petition, the refurbishments in recent years have been much higher than previously. However, with the backlog, it takes time. It would have been good to cite major examples of where maintenance is needed.
On the shows, I can't really argue with the lack of shows. Equally, the closure times of restaurants is bizarre.
I can't agree with the Studios comments, as clearly, there has been significant investment in new rides and there is a rather big one opening next year, which doesn't get a mention!
Finally, in my experience, the hotels continue to be maintained fairly well and updated and the Village is gradually being updated.
I am sure it won't come to anything - especially as it should really go to Euro Disney S.C.A., but it interesting it got so many signatures before the media attention (which are all typical DLP articles, giving them a good bash).
There was another thread about this. Things like this play into the Xenophobes hands who want any excuse to slag off anything European. ]
The comments on the DM about going to Florida as its the original Disneyland makes me laugh
It looks like the British press has picked up the Save DLP petition story and now the Belgian newspapers are picking it up too.
The biggest Belgian newspaper "Het Laatste Nieuws" published an online article with a poll on the side with this question and options and it has quite an interesting outcome.
Is Disneyland Paris truly in a bad state?
- 19% Yes, this summer (1517 votes)
- 27% No, I haven't noticed (2169 votes)
- 9% It used to, but I don't know now (700 votes)
- 11% Yes, it was always like that (858 votes)
- 34% I've never been to DLP (2670 votes)
Full article in Dutch: http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2/Reizen/article/detail/1704900/2013/09/15/Belg-start-petitie-Red-Disneyland-Parijs.dhtml (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2/Reizen/article/detail/1704900/2013/09/15/Belg-start-petitie-Red-Disneyland-Parijs.dhtml)
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One of my friends linked this to me on facebook and asked for my opinion, I just told him what I thought about disneyland paris. and one thing I pointed out to him was if it wasnt any good/run down etc would I have been 20 times!!! Some of the reviews I read on tripadviser make me laugh too!!! X
The people who have signed this, well the majority, will be the types who went once experienced something they didn't like and did the whole huffy never going there again act.
I've merged both topics. :)
Quote from: Kristof on September 16, 2013, 10:20:19 AM
It looks like the British press has picked up the Save DLP petition story and now the Belgian newspapers are picking it up too.
The biggest Belgian newspaper "Het Laatste Nieuws" published an online article with a poll on the side with this question and options and it has quite an interesting outcome.
Is Disneyland Paris truly in a bad state?
- 19% Yes, this summer (1517 votes)
- 27% No, I haven't noticed (2169 votes)
- 9% It used to, but I don't know now (700 votes)
- 11% Yes, it was always like that (858 votes)
- 34% I've never been to DLP (2670 votes)
Full article in Dutch: http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2/Reizen/article/detail/1704900/2013/09/15/Belg-start-petitie-Red-Disneyland-Parijs.dhtml (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2/Reizen/article/detail/1704900/2013/09/15/Belg-start-petitie-Red-Disneyland-Parijs.dhtml)
Even if the percentage of "No, I haven't noticed" is higher than "Yes, this summer". It's still a very bad outcome for DLP. Because if you add the "Yes, it was always like that" and "It used to, but I don't know now" votes, you have a percentage of 39% of readers who have had a bad experience in DLP. And then you have those who never been to DLP (34%). I'm curious how many of them still want to go after they read this article and saw the percentage of peope, who were disappointed.
11% said yes it has always been like that " in a bad state " that's just nonsense. The petition has certainly put the boot in though which is a shame. I didn't sign it. When you consider that Disney Dreams is a world class show and the new Ratatouille ride and restaurant is opening in the WDS next year, clearly the Walt Disney Company do care. But they probably would like to see DLP making some sort of profit in the future, i would. I've always been aware of Euro Disney's financial problems, but i have visited over 20 times and if it had been in such a bad state i would never have gone.
Maybe the biggest mistake the WDC made was building the resort in rainy, snowy northern France. Although i'm glad they did because i can just get on the EuroStar.
Euro Disney was the biggest building project in Europe after the channel tunnel, it certainly didn't lack scale or ambition. I can't think of another theme park resort in Europe like it with two theme parks, seven hotels, Disney Village. But if people have something to say about maintenance and service in restaurants i have sympathy with that, but the petition in my view went beyond that.
I genuinely think three things:
1) Disney would not let something with the Disney name fail. It's that simple.
2) It's a franchise, its not going to be spot on as the Disney owned parks
3) How many of the people actually complain when they're in the park?
I can't compare Paris to the other parks, because I haven't visited those but I honestly think there is nothing wrong at this time, nor has there ever been. I've always enjoyed Disneyland and I can't agree with the person who started the petition.
The only thing I might want to see again are the live theatre shows, as a child I saw The Lion King and Tarzan. I would love to see these shows again. Plus, I do think the characters of Disneyland aren't that active anymore than they used to be. There are a few characters visible at the breakfast of a few hotels, and some characters have rounds in the park. But 'back in the old days' you could see characters walking around the park, you could talk to them, ask a signature, etc... Now you have to be able to meet them at a specific hour, wait in line with crazy children (or even adults) who can't keep their calm and mostly I would go home with nothing. By the time I finally get to the character, they are ordered to leave by security. These things, compared to the past, are a bit negative, but they certainly don't ruin the trip for me. And these two things don't convince me to sign a petition that says Disneyland is in a bad state, simply because I think it's not.
That's my opinion on this subject. Long post oops.
Theatre shows would give it that 'not just a theme park' edge, but I guess it's a staffing cost as much as anything.
In an ideal world the debt wouldn't be there and it would solve a lot
They mentioned Phantom Manor, but I thought that by early this year they had completed it's renovation and everything was now working properly.
My last visit was in late 2011, a time where supposedly things started declining, but I didn't notice any signs of it at all. DLP is still wonderful.
Quote from: PrincessA on September 16, 2013, 11:31:02 PM
.... DLP is still wonderful.
Couldn't agree more! the park is still wonderful!
I think you could have started this petition at any point of the parks life, and found 5,000 people to sign (especially when you think how many million people go every year).
I think what has worried people is that a few things are closing (shows in particular) and there seems to be no long term plan. It doens't take much to make some people very negative.
I am hoping that about the time the ratatouille ride is open they will begin to announce more of a master plan (disneyland california style) where everything will be asessed (including shows). I think DLP is very close to really beginning to kick on and grow and make money.
Looks like the person who the petition is adressed to will have the final word in this. Bob Iger himself will talk about the petition this evening on Fox Business Network.
Read the article on Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-disney-bob-iger-talks-to-fbn-on-tuesday-20130923,0,6916222.post
(http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-disney-bob-iger-talks-to-fbn-on-tuesday-20130923,0,6916222.post)
Quote from: Kristof on September 24, 2013, 07:45:03 AM
Looks like the person who the petition is adressed to will have the final word in this. Bob Iger himself will talk about the petition this evening on Fox Business Network.
Read the article on Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-disney-bob-iger-talks-to-fbn-on-tuesday-20130923,0,6916222.post
(http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-disney-bob-iger-talks-to-fbn-on-tuesday-20130923,0,6916222.post)
Impressive, well lets wait and see what happens
Quote from: ed-uk on September 16, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
11% said yes it has always been like that " in a bad state " that's just nonsense
I think this also counts for people who went for a first time much later after is was opened.
I can imagine if your first time was in 2009 or so, you might be able to vote that option.
My first visit was in 2004, so years after it opened, so I really can't compare to how it was before that date.
Quote from: Kristof on September 24, 2013, 07:45:03 AM
Looks like the person who the petition is adressed to will have the final word in this. Bob Iger himself will talk about the petition this evening on Fox Business Network.
Read the article on Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-disney-bob-iger-talks-to-fbn-on-tuesday-20130923,0,6916222.post (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-disney-bob-iger-talks-to-fbn-on-tuesday-20130923,0,6916222.post)
I'm sure he'll spend his time defending the resort and making out nothing is wrong. Even if he has no problems with the amount of repairs, he won't be able to defend the lack of shows or the lack of expansion. I hope the journalists interviewing him will have done their research.
The first time I ever went was December of the year it opened and they were so short-staffed there was no breakfast was served in the restaurant - it was left in a little cardboard Happy Meal style box outside the lifts on each floor. As a child I thought this was brilliant - breakfast in bed every day! I didn't think it was bad then, and I've loved even more every time I've been back as an adult.
I don't think DLP gives the Disney franchise a bad name, I don't think it's in worse shape than either of the US parks, and having been to the California park two years ago and back to DLP since, I now think DLP is better. Compared to other theme parks and resorts, DLP is still miles and miles better. The only thing I dislike is the cold weather - and even that's not that bad!
When the resort first opened i don't remember Disney serving breakfast in the hotels like they do now, at least not at the Santa Fe where we were staying twenty years ago. Breakfast cost extra and we got ourselves a bun or cake in the park.
So by the looks of it he didn't address this in the end? At least not in the video clips I've watched on the FOX website...
I think TWDC already has a business plan and strategy for DLP. It's just not the plan some fans want, however i don't think the company will change direction right now.
Quote from: ed-uk on September 24, 2013, 11:09:06 PM
I think TWDC already has a business plan and strategy for DLP. It's just not the plan some fans want, however i don't think the company will change direction right now.
Tbh I don't think DLP will ever be the big hit that the other parks are, regardless of how much money is put into it and how many new attractions are built. I know many many people who have visited DLP and hated it, vowing never to return. These same people visit the US parks on a regular basis. I know people won't like this, but I truly believe that if a Disney park was to be closed DLP would be it...
DLP is for the long term though, it will grow over time. The American parks are so far ahead, Disneyland in California 58 years old, DLP only 21 years old, Hong Kong Disneyland is even smaller.
I have to say, It's been 3 or 4 years since I last stayed in a "Disney" hotel because of the huge price increases. Our last time was in Davy Crocketts with APD discount, when we checked this year it was almost 3 times the price and without breakfast. We're going back to DLP on 26th October for 6 nights, Hotel Cheyenne was £250 more than we are paying for Magic Circus so it was a toss up between being closer to the parcs and being able to walk back to the hotel or having a more civilized breakfast experience and saving £250....We're in the Magic Circus. It's money that Disney has lost and Vienna Hotels has gained. Forgot to mention, the price at Cheyenne was £250 more and that included our APD discount or it would have been even more expensive.
Quote from: disney-dan on September 24, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: ed-uk on September 24, 2013, 11:09:06 PM
I think TWDC already has a business plan and strategy for DLP. It's just not the plan some fans want, however i don't think the company will change direction right now.
Tbh I don't think DLP will ever be the big hit that the other parks are, regardless of how much money is put into it and how many new attractions are built. I know many many people who have visited DLP and hated it, vowing never to return. These same people visit the US parks on a regular basis. I know people won't like this, but I truly believe that if a Disney park was to be closed DLP would be it...
We returned from DLP a week ago and after lengthy discussion about the way it was and the way it is, my fiance said 'Do you think it'll end up closing?'. My son and I just looked at each other and after a long pause said 'Noooo!'. I would be interested in discussing this with other 'fans'. You raise a moot point! ;)
Quote from: Ravenseye on September 26, 2013, 11:45:09 AM
We returned from DLP a week ago and after lengthy discussion about the way it was and the way it is, my fiance said 'Do you think it'll end up closing?'. My son and I just looked at each other and after a long pause said 'Noooo!'. I would be interested in discussing this with other 'fans'. You raise a moot point! ;)
My view is that ultimately its a business. IF TWDC cannot find a way to make it profitable due to cultural issues then its future is in question.
How on earth they would close the place without seriously damaging the Disney brand is a whole other story though.
Quote from: anthony2k6 on September 28, 2013, 01:06:22 AM
Quote from: Ravenseye on September 26, 2013, 11:45:09 AM
We returned from DLP a week ago and after lengthy discussion about the way it was and the way it is, my fiance said 'Do you think it'll end up closing?'. My son and I just looked at each other and after a long pause said 'Noooo!'. I would be interested in discussing this with other 'fans'. You raise a moot point! ;)
My view is that ultimately its a business. IF TWDC cannot find a way to make it profitable due to cultural issues then its future is in question.
How on earth they would close the place without seriously damaging the Disney brand is a whole other story though.
It won't close, TWDC and the French government have invested too much in to it to see it fail. Hopefully it will make a profit in the future and become a financial success but the parent company will stand by it. I don't think cultural issues are a problem now. It's the huge level of debt Euro Disney has to service, but now at least they can pay the money back to TWDC at a more favourable rate of interest, since TWDC bought Euro Disney's debts from the banks last year.