We've been expecting this for a while, but it looks like EDSCA have started the new security checks system. Instead of having the security checks at the entrance to each area (where you must be checked if you must be checked each time if you want to get into the park, the WDSP or the Village (even if you just want to get back to your hotel room!)), you must now only be checked once and you're then given access to each area without being stopped. (So in other words, there's now one big security zone instead of three.)
Because of this, security checks have been popping up all over the resort. It looks like they got it ready just in time for the summer season.
Here's some pictures from @InsideDLParis:
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(Note that some of the security checks have also been moved while they refurbish the pavement in front of WoDS.)
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(No security checks in front of the WDSP gate! :D )
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Hi
Your bags are also X-rayed as you arrive at the entrance of your hotel :-)
I don't quite understand ... this isn't that new?
When we were there in september 2011, the x-rays where already there at the entrance of the Village.
The x-ray to go straight to the park, that one was new!
And this line takes twice as long as the regular checks which are right next to the x-ray line.
If you can, I'd suggest you to avoid the line to go through x-ray, and take the regular check, MUCH faster.
Quote from: "Little mermaid 240"Hi
Your bags are also X-rayed as you arrive at the entrance of your hotel :-)
They've been there for a while. They never seem to notice us, though. xD
Quote from: "nathalie"I don't quite understand ... this isn't that new?
When we were there in september 2011, the x-rays where already there at the entrance of the Village.
If you mean from the resort hub area, then yeah. :) But the difference now is that if you've been checked in the Village, you can then walk to the Studios without any checks.
I kinda like this - I hated having to continuously getting my bags looked at going from the park to the village - also I really hope this will decrease the amount of street artists and performers outside on the hub.
I understand they are only trying to entertain and make money - but they are annoying. I wish Disney would just buy that small bit of land and move the bag checks to the train-station.
But do I like the gates being "open" and free from the horrible tents.
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Quote from: "Josh"Quote from: "nathalie"I don't quite understand ... this isn't that new?
When we were there in september 2011, the x-rays where already there at the entrance of the Village.
If you mean from the resort hub area, then yeah. :) But the difference now is that if you've been checked in the Village, you can then walk to the Studios without any checks.
I honestly can't remember that when we went from the park to WDS, if you needed to get your bags checked, lol.
I did notice indeed though, that that wasn't the case 2 weeks ago.
Must say that I like that it's one check point. One through, it's no need for doing it again.
Let's hope it's a permanent check point.
Does anybody have a google map with the security checks added on because im am still a little confused on how this works now.
Thanks
Quote from: "disneymad1000"Does anybody have a google map with the security checks added on because im am still a little confused on how this works now.
Thanks
I tried making one. I've marked where they are in red. I'm not entirely positive about the positions of the ones near the train station, though. They haven't put them there yet, since they are refurbishing all of the pavement in front of the WODS.
EDIT: Whoops. I forgot to actually embed the image. XD
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Is "Resort Hub" the official name for the area between the Disney Parks and Disney Village? It's not the Resort Plaza or Entry Esplanade?
It's nice to finally have an answer to this question we've been asking for so long regarding the World of Disney security check situation. Also, nice to see they've finally found a use for that strange covered structure between Hotel New York and Cafe Mickey.
It should be interesting to see what they'll do with the square in front of the station next... I hope they'll replace those awful lamp posts at the very least.
As for the name of the hub, if I remember correctly we've seen the word "Esplanade" in at least one Euro Disney document. "Resort hub" works as a description, though.
I think the hub was "Disney Square" on some early maps, while signposts in Front Lot oddly point to "Center Court". Erk. It would be nice if they gave it a proper square name, as it seems much more of a "place" to me than an esplanade. Place d'Isigny, for example...
The new security checks make much more sense. But I hope when they're done with the final repaving, whatever security cordon they settle on becomes a permanent (or as-good-as permanent) fixture. Wire mesh fences, white tents and trestle tables don't quite cut it. Reusing the old tram stop near Hotel New York was a nice idea for that.
The Esplanade is the entire "approach route from Guest Parking to Main Entrance," according to DLP Nomenclature. That would include everything from the moving sidewalks up to Fantasia Gardens.
Won't this block the Minnie Train that goes around the Disney Lake? (Not that I ever liked that overpriced thing, anyway. :P )
Oh right. Thanks for answering David. So if that whole area is the esplanade, what's the name of this area in the centre of the resort?
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No idea! "Resort Hub" is all that comes to mind though I suppose there may be a better official name by now.
Your circle also includes part of Fantasia Gardens and its Studios counterpart, though (that one has another name, too, but I can't remember it). The actual resort hub is much smaller.
I've just read that disney bought the resort hub area up to the train station too and that will hopefully spell the end of the annoying street vendors. If true, brilliant! :thumbs:
According to the official Nomenclature:
Center Court
Central plaza between entrances to Theme Parks, Disney Village & Parking
Esplanade
Approach route from Guest Parking to Main Entrance.
Fantasia Gardens
Landscaped area in front of Disneyland Park Entrance.
Studio Plaza
Area between Center Court and the entrance to Walt Disney Studios Park
Esplanade Paul Seramy
Access from Parking Vinci to Center Court.
Parking Vinci
Multi-storey car park at end of Ave Paul Seramy (next to Gaumont Cinemas)
"Center Court" just sounds a bit naff and overly American to me...
Excellent information Anthony. I'm making a note of that. I bet the top managers at Disneyland Paris don't even know what those areas are called :-)
Yeah, Center Court is a bad name. It immediately makes me think of tennis:
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"Court" suggests it's in a really enclosed area. It kind of makes me imagine those alleyways between terraced houses.
I think I'll stick to "Resort hub". XD When Imagineering use their "wheel and spoke" designs, they always call the centre part the "hub", so that's why I've always called it that.
By the way, what does everyone think of the new lamps around the "Centre Court"? I really like the art deco look (if that's what it's meant to be).
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Quote from: "Josh"By the way, what does everyone think of the new lamps around the "Centre Court"? I really like the art deco look (if that's what it's meant to be).
I think more Art Nouveau?
They're beautiful anyway, very Parisian/European and help to "ground" the resort area in its actual geographic location and history, making it seem less manufactured. See the awful square lamps nearby that Pussinboots mentioned earlier for how not to do that. I really hope they're able to update those at some point.
Also quite amazing they can apparently spend such money on these when you remember the ugly lamp posts to found throughout certain areas of the Studios, crying out for replacements. I guess they'll get round to those when they get round to the Studios in general...
There must be another reason why they're changing the lamps - surely the "hood" over the white "bulb" and the crown on top of it isn't enough of a reason?
I'm glad that they are finally putting security checks at both ends of the Disney Village. Having them at only one end has always seemed nonsensical when anyone could just catch a Disney hotel shuttle bus and walk in from the lake end.
I find the hotels ' luggage checks rather disorganised. When I arrived at Sequoia Lodge last month I forgot about the security check outside the front entrance there, and just walked into the hotel with my bag and suitcase. No one stopped me.
Quote from: "Anthony"Studio Plaza
Area between Center Court and the entrance to Walt Disney Studios Park
Right, that's what I thought. I believe that this and Center Court have been added very recently to the official Nomenclature...
Quote from: "Columbiad"There must be another reason why they're changing the lamps - surely the "hood" over the white "bulb" and the crown on top of it isn't enough of a reason?
Generally this sort of hood is added to reduce light pollution but I suppose it doesn't really change much on the resort's scale.
I'm glad to see all this security going on around the village, but scanning bags outside the hotels? I think possibly a bit OTT...Maybe because my bags have already been scanned before getting on the Eurostar, last thing I want to do is then try and lift my bag into another xray scanner lol.
Has anyone seen this at the Cheyenne?
Yeah, I think they're at Cheyenne, too. Is it really necessary, though? You wouldn't get this kind of security at any other hotel. They don't even do it at WDW. Aren't they being a bit paranoid?
Quote from: "Anthony"I think more Art Nouveau?
I don't really know much about architectural styles anyway. XD
Permanent fences are appearing for the security checks! :D
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I have never really understood the security, I'm guessing it's for weapons or explosives, when we checked into sequoia last Christmas the security was only just opening if we had arrived 10 minutes earlier we wouldn't have been scanned, and he only wanted the suite casees! Not the shopping bags or the cool box!!!! I know someone said about the security to the parks looking for food but I know it's ok to take small picnics in.
Quote from: "Anthony"Reusing the old tram stop near Hotel New York was a nice idea for that.
Ah so that's what that was.
I don't mind Center Court or Esplanade or even Resort Hub, so long as it's used and it's used consistently... When a Disney resort grows, a need emerges for this kind of nomenclature.
Quote from: "DGRavenswood"Generally this sort of hood is added to reduce light pollution but I suppose it doesn't really change much on the resort's scale.
I imagine they could have seized the moment to both reduce light pollution as you said and switch to LEDs. Which produce a different, directional light and generally need to be aimed rather than glowing in 360 degrees in the manner of a tungsten bulb. Putting LEDs in one of those globes would mean having separate LEDs light upwards into the night sky. Not very efficient.
Although, off topic: Someone has finally developed an LED bulb that looks and glows like a 19th century bulb! Good news for Disney perhaps.
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Update: some of the fences are up:
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A great improvement, I really hated to be checked over and over again. All they need now is some nice structures to replace the tents.
Quote from: "Sven_29"All they need now is some nice structures to replace the tents.
I agree. Near Hotel New York, they've transformed a small existing themed building into a security checkpoint. It looks much nicer than the tents. (I wonder what that little shelter was originally for?)
Also, I'd like to see permanent, themed signs. Dear Disney, more of this please:
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Photos from past weekend of the reworked "center court". Construction was still on going:
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And look who we have here:
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I thought Disney owned this area now which means they can't tout there crap anymore?
Well it depends how much Euro Disney got. If it's just the strip behind the new fences, I guess we're still stuck with them.
I wonder if there is any chance of the Disney Village arch being reworked into a "Disneyland Paris Parks and Resorts" sign?
Quote from: "Kristof"Well it depends how much Euro Disney got. If it's just the strip behind the new fences, I guess we're still stuck with them.
But how would they actually get there? Surely the only way to get to that side of the resort hub is via the train or car park. If you want to just walk into the resort hub, don't you have to access it from the roundabout next to the IMAX theatre? They would get stopped by security if they passed through that way. :?
Oh well. :| At least people coming from the Disney Hotels won't have to confront them.
Anyway, great photos, as usual. :D Were the security checks still at the Disneyland Park gates?
Likely they take the RER or have someone drop them of by the train station.
Yes, they still did the checks at the Disneyland Park gate, as well as near the Disney Village Dome and Disney's Hotel New York.
So if I'm coming from the bus stop I will still see these people selling there plastic rubbish? eurgh.
Whilst the fencing does look nice (and its good to see the WDS gates again), its still all a bit of a mess IMO. We all do enough walking at the parks during the day and now when we leave the parks we have to walk the long around to the Village, just so they can temp us into the World of Disney Store.
Its just wrong.
i like the new security checks cause basically once you.ve gone through one as in walknig from hotel new york you dont get checked again??? am i right????
Wherever you come from you only have one check to go through now.
According to NewsDLRP, the rest of the works have been postponed after a judge stopped them! Have a look @ http://www.newsdlrp.com/dlp-12891-contr ... isien.html (http://www.newsdlrp.com/dlp-12891-controle-des-sacs-de-disneyland-paris-tribunal-esplanade-parisien.html%22%20target=%22_blank%22%20rel=%22nofollow) (in French)
Whilst I can appreciate what they are saying, the new fencing makes a lot of sense and works much better than having to go through the security again and the sellers!
However, they could have done it a bit nicer - with the entrance to Disney Village now used as an exit only and fencing everyone, it isn't quite as a magical anymore!
Quote from: "Google Translate"The Administrative Court of Melun occurred last Thursday on the work of the past few weeks by Euro Disney on the esplanade in front of the park.
Following an order of the President, the work consists in adding gates and checkpoints were stopped.
Interlocutory proceedings judicial allows Justice to order interim measures that preserve rights, prevent injury or to stop unlawful disorder.
The judge took the view that because of the easily reversible construction and progress of the project, the safety commission and the commission of accessibility should have been consulted regarding the addition of these checkpoints.
In addition, the judge noted that "the esplanade is assigned to direct public use" and belongs to "public domain". It is indeed one of the main entrances to the train station and RER Chessy.
The elected SAN Val d'Europe were satisfied that their decision was right. Euro Disney in turn justifies the installation of these checkpoints to improve security ...
The legal battle is not over, it is in effect a temporary decision. An appeal has been filed with the court to set aside the deed of purchase of the plaza by Euro Disney which has recently become the owner.
I thought this was going to be a human rights issue, but some of this seems to be more to do with health and safety, which is a bit ridiculous. :|
And the train station can still be accessed via an underground tunnel, right?
I wonder who the party is that's going against Disney. Since the trial is an appeal to the decision to allow Disney to purchase the resort hub, I hope this can be resolved without Disney losing the rights to the land.
It's not a health-and-safety thing, that was just mentioned as part of the rights and duties of the authority (don't ask me how French law works.) I think the issue is simply that the court believes the esplanade belongs to the public domain since it is after all a public train station and not just Disney's private guest express.
I just heard a story about a local who parked his car at the Vinci structure with the intention of taking his dog on the train. Since pets are not allowed at Disney, he couldn't cross the esplanade. That to me is a serious flaw in this new little configuration...
It sounds like the only solution is to build an underground tunnel to the train station.
Quote from: "Josh"It sounds like the only solution is to build an underground tunnel to the train station.
Or change the new configuration and put things back to the way they were before, which I think is more likely to happen. Speaking as a resort guest I hope Disney don't have to because I liked the new security checks.
Well yeah. I was just trying to think of way to fix it without losing the new security checks.
Isn't there another train station at Val d'Europe? Or is it just one of the lines that go there?
If i remember correctly there is a planned new entrance to the train station near vinci parking included in the disney village expansion plans. may be they thought of it after all :D
Quote from: Whoknew?If i remember correctly there is a planned new entrance to the train station near vinci parking included in the disney village expansion plans. may be they thought of it after all :D[/quot
I don't think that will make much difference, apparently the esplanade belongs to the public domain even if Disney does own the land or part of it, and people should be able to walk around freely, so it will be a matter of principle for the public.
However I did like the new security checks, I felt that the hotels, Disney Village and the theme parks were better integrated into the resort.
Quote from: "Anthony"According to the official Nomenclature:
Center Court
Central plaza between entrances to Theme Parks, Disney Village & Parking
Esplanade
Approach route from Guest Parking to Main Entrance.
Fantasia Gardens
Landscaped area in front of Disneyland Park Entrance.
Studio Plaza
Area between Center Court and the entrance to Walt Disney Studios Park
Esplanade Paul Seramy
Access from Parking Vinci to Center Court.
Parking Vinci
Multi-storey car park at end of Ave Paul Seramy (next to Gaumont Cinemas)
"Center Court" just sounds a bit naff and overly American to me...
Hi Anthony. Great post. Is there a place or website where I can check the official nomenclature from different places of the park?
Thanks
Remember the Sellers that used to be between the parks and Disney Village, well last time I went which was 2 months ago, there were basically none! I felt much better walking through with ease without seeing those menacing Dog toys with light up eyes. Man those things creeped me out!
I have to say, this new configuration was just great on our last visit this weekend. So much better and really showed The Village in a different more connected light. All they need now are decent security check point areas instead of these vile stupid tents. what is it with DLRP & their obsession with cheap plastic tent construction? Cafe Mickey, Ludwigs, The Security tents and of course the convention tents. Really cheapens things
Quote from: "penfold12"I have to say, this new configuration was just great on our last visit this weekend. So much better and really showed The Village in a different more connected light. All they need now are decent security check point areas instead of these vile stupid tents. what is it with DLRP & their obsession with cheap plastic tent construction? Cafe Mickey, Ludwigs, The Security tents and of course the convention tents. Really cheapens things
Agree with both points. So much easier walking straight from the Parks to the village, and no long queue when you're first going into the clean area in the morning! Good decision but poor choice of infrastructure still. I'm hoping when they're allowed to continue that there'll be some more permanent buildings instead of the tents.
Quote from: "penfold12"I have to say, this new configuration was just great on our last visit this weekend. So much better and really showed The Village in a different more connected light. All they need now are decent security check point areas instead of these vile stupid tents. what is it with DLRP & their obsession with cheap plastic tent construction? Cafe Mickey, Ludwigs, The Security tents and of course the convention tents. Really cheapens things
Speaking to a cast member in Special events yesterday, he said that the reason why Disney use the 'temporary' tents for the security and special events area is so they don't have to get planning permission to have them there, believe it or not the Disneyland Park tent for example is not actually owned by Disney and so when they want to use it they have to pay about €7k a time! But it's the same principle with the security tents.
Wow. I really didn't expect they're renting out those tents. XD I've got to wonder: if they got planning permission for the fences around the resort hub, why not for building more permanent covers?
Personally, I found that if you only wanted to go to the Village, the checks weren't that good. Mostly because in the morning (all we wanted was a sandwich from Earl's) you have to get through the crowd going to the parks, before you have to (basically) walk all the way back. It's also a shame that the Disney Village entrance is now only used as an exit...
If you were just going for a sandwich, did you have bags with you? As we never had bags and never had to go through the security tents. Just ushered through
So were you not staying in any of the Disney hotels?
no we were, we stayed at Sequoia Lodge, but going to the parks or village didnt have bags with us, so they simply either direct you through the exit when there are ques, or speed you through the tent past the machines when quiet.
Seems to be a good system in general, but after the new year celebrations last night, trying to squeeze everyone out through one little exit at the village was a bit tight. Im now six inches taller and a few inches thinner (not a bad thing). :)
I like the idea, as long as the walk ways are wide enough to cope with the vast amount of public at certain times, with there only being a single way in and out.. ;)
Also, someone may have already given the answer to this, but are they having security check points at the rear of the village for people walking from the Newport Bay or New York entering through the back of the village?
Yes they are.
Quote from: "captain rocket"Yes they are.
Thanks for that captain rocket, it's just we'll be coming into the village from the rear as we are staying at the Newport Bay for the first time on our March trip.. :D
Quotewith the entrance to Disney Village now used as an exit only
What, that's insane!
Quote from: "Martyn"Quotewith the entrance to Disney Village now used as an exit only
What, that's insane!
Not really. Bearing in mind I was there between the very busy Christmas and New Year period I thought that people flow through security was much improved by this system. No longer do you go through a security check before entering the parks area and then another for the Village. It's one big free flowing area. Much more efficient. The only people it'd be inconvenient for is those coming from the station wanting to go straight into the Village. But for the majority of the guests for the majority of their stay it's a much better system.
i agree, the system does make sense although lots of people still head towards the entrance as was, lured no doubt by the large sign, only to be redirected to the new security check entrance. My main gripe about the whole system is that it just is not secure! On my last visit in December I followed two families in through the security check near the hotel New York and whilst all bags were searched both families had toddlers wrapped up in push chairs and they were just waved through! Anything could have been hidden in the childrens clothing.
I have sympathy because I think to make Disney as safe as air travel, would cause the same sort of delays and hold ups you get at a busy airport and I can't see any of us wanting to wait 10/20 minutes to get in!
They could do with building a new sign for the Disney Village. That whole area still needs a lot of revamping.