What did you all think of Aquanura compared to Dreams, I think both of these shows are completely different and don't have a favorite.
Lets see Aquanura is a water show where Dreams is not a water show. The only show you can compare it to is WOC. :)
I have not heard of Aquanura before, but there is shows similar to dreams every year in late July and August at the Autostadt in Wolfsburg (the place where Volkswagen cars are made). Dreams is just really unique, but the shows that Autostadt puty together each year are also amazing and I go to see at least one of them for the last 4 years now
You can see some vids of some of the shows on their YT channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/autostadt/videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/autostadt/videos%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
(all the way down on the rightmost side and the first one on page 2)
No matter what you think is better, it is just awesome to see different elemts like water and fire come together with music and lots of colours
though that one was not
Quote from: "Robert97"What did you all think of Aquanura compared to Dreams, I think both of these shows are completely different and don't have a favorite.
Perhaps it might be useful to let people see what on earth Aquanura is? Seeing as the first show was only last night and there is only a very slim chance that any poster on this messgae board was actually there to see it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpOOjB0B ... ature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpOOjB0BRCw&list=UUoulm-mYV-JzzRgu4o6rGVw&index=1&feature=plcp%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
That said, I did watch it live on the local TV channel. Very impressive, I thought. But I'm not sure it's valid to compare Dreams and Aquanura as about the only thing they have in common is that they are nighttime shows at a theme park. And presumably you have to see both live in order to make any sort of judgement.
The only thing that occurs to me is that's it's probably easier to get a good uninterruped view of Aquanura. And if you get there early and get a spot by the railings, you can be pretty sure that you are not going to get some late-comer standing right in front of you, as seems to be an issue in Paris!
Pssst... ;) Here is more information about Aquanura on these forums: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10949 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10949%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Maybe these topics should be merged?
Thanks for posting the video. I enjoyed the opening music, Sleepy Lagoon by Eric Coates, very English. I wouldn't compare it to Dreams the shows are very different, and yet Dreams does have more magic and emotion for me. I compare Aquanura more to World of Colour, but it's not as impressive as World of Colour. Not sure about the fireworks around the bay at the end, looked more like an after thought to fit some fireworks in than part of the show, but that's a small point.
Disney Dreams is indeed completely different than AquanurA.
That said, I don't think AquanurA is as emotional as Disney Dreams is when foreign visitors watch it. The music is very well known by Dutch guests and for me it reminds me of my childhood; visiting the Efteling with my grandfather. But people who visit the Efteling for the first time it's "just a nice water show."
Disney has the advantage of having beautiful music that is very well known by a lot of people. Many guests get emotional when hearing the songs they used to love when they were a child.
And also Dreams tells a story with very well known characters, and as you say has the advantage of beautiful music. I did like the music in Aquanura and was surprised to hear Sleepy Lagoon, although it does fit into the show well.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Thanks for posting the video. I enjoyed the opening music, Sleepy Lagoon by Eric Coates, very English. I wouldn't compare it to Dreams the shows are very different, and yet Dreams does have more magic and emotion for me. I compare Aquanura more to World of Colour, but it's not as impressive as World of Colour. Not sure about the fireworks around the bay at the end, looked more like an after thought to fit some fireworks in than part of the show, but that's a small point.
The music used in the show is music used in various attractions, so for someone who knows the Efteling, they are as recognisable as Disney songs, have emotions built in because of that and I think they worked very well with the effects.
The fireworks won't be there normally, neither will the walkway they were around the edge of. There was also a further display that wasn't included in that video, but it was all just for the special celebration last night.
It was mentioned that the show may also be performed in daylight (and that it works very well), so I guess that is one advantage.
I liked the effects and music and think the show worked well. Thanks for explaining about the fireworks at the end not being apart of the show. Thinking about it something like Aquanura could work well on Lake Disney if it were possible and practical for DLP to do that, which it wont be. For nighttime entertainment Disney Dreams is still the winner for me, I've never seen anything quite like Dreams before.
By the sleepy lagoon is used for the fairytale The Magical Clock in one of the oldest parts of the park (Herautenplein). In that part also is the Frog and the princess situated.
The more I see the video of Aquanura the more I see very nice details. Like the way the lights are used to simulate Villa volta, The dancing water lillies which really seem to dance during the show (African Beat), The colors of the knights of Raveleijn. Real memories after a day of Efteling and because the show is about memories it is a well fit for me. :)
I won't compare it to Disney. Allthough it is a big plus for the Efteling as it is being compared to the biggest show makers on earth. But it is impossible as Disney is a show with a story around decades of cinema. Something the Efteling has not, and can not create in my opinion. As for that it are two completely different shows in two completely different environment.
The Efteling did with Aquanura what it is supposed to do with the show: re-live memories of a trip to the Efteling. Even with more detail than I expected. :)
Both shows are great (although Orgue de Fue at Puy du Fou is more like Aquanara. But as I love efteling and it's music, I really love the look of this show. While I give Dreams the edge, Aquanara will be a more civilised experience, no doubt.
I think it looked great. Was a shame to see a lot of Disney fan sites verbally bashing it on Twitter. Like some of you have said, you can't really compare it to Dreams, or WoC for that matter. Some folks were mentioning that there were no projections, but we have to bear in mind that Efteling is a theme park only, and doesn't have film clips that it could project. Projecting the rides onto mist screens wouldn't make sense when you've probably just spent all day riding them!
Quote from: "Vegitabeta"Projecting the rides onto mist screens wouldn't make sense when you've probably just spent all day riding them!
Exactly! AquanurA lets you feel the emotions you had during the day again using fountains to express them. And the music makes you feel nostalgic of you've visited the Efteling in your childhood.
The point is Aquanura fits into the enviroment in Efteling and people who know the park feel the emotion, and Disney Dreams fits into DLP, so both shows work in their own enviroments in my view. One show uses a lagoon and the other a castle. It probably is wrong to compare because the shows are so different, and yet for me as a Disney fan, Disney Dreams is a beautiful show with fireworks, fountains and projections. Fans of Efteling who know and love the park, may have stronger or similar emotions for their fountain show, but clearly the shows are not ment to be the same.
Efteling is an interesting place, in that it is often the one park in Europe that achieves a level of artistic quality and storytelling that can measure up to Disney, yet in so many ways it is also the work of amateurs — which I do not mean in a negative way at all. It lacks a slickness, a corporate vibe, and that certainly has its charms. This is a beloved old bulwark of a park built and frequented by people who love it.
This show is an excellent example of that. You have the super high quality fountain show and the top-notch Efteling music, yet there's something reassuringly unprofessional in the clumsy order of scenes or the lack of anything other than fountains to maintain our short, short attention spans. There isn't the slightest hunch that marketing people are using the show to sell merchandise. It's through-and-through Efteling.
I think it and Dreams can live peacefully side-by-side.
Well said puss! I know what you mean, Efteling has a way of doing things that are very different to Disney, and that is what makes it so charming. Also it is right about different things stirring up different emotions in people. Disney is known by much more of the world, so more people identify with it and its characters...heck, it has 5 theme parks! Efteling is a standalone company who are doing really well, all things considered.
It seems dreams is getting even more competition in August:
//http://www.aquanario.de/
I saw an ad for it on TV just 2 days ago. I am not really planning to see it, Berlin is 2 hours from where I live, but it would be nice if ppl who do go to see it will give their opinion here later
Quote from: "Thaliel"It seems dreams is getting even more competition in August:
//http://www.aquanario.de/
Very original name!
Seriously..? Aquanario? That's just wrong... :')
The video makes AQUANARIO seem really good in my opinion, well edited.
Aquanario?! Lol yeah nice name...Here is the link if anyone wants to read my Aquanura review. http://eftelinguk.com/2012/06/02/aquanu ... r-verdict/ (http://eftelinguk.com/2012/06/02/aquanura-the-armchair-verdict/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Nice review, though I was hoping it would be based on you seeing it live. I love it and frankly I don't like projections on water, does little for me, so I don't miss it here. What I did miss was hearing a sequence based on the flying dutchman. I look forward to seeing aquanura live one day.
Quote from: "Vegitabeta"Aquanario?! Lol yeah nice name...Here is the link if anyone wants to read my Aquanura review. http://eftelinguk.com/2012/06/02/aquanu ... r-verdict/ (http://eftelinguk.com/2012/06/02/aquanura-the-armchair-verdict/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Good review, although it's JORIS and the dragon, not George! ;)
If the show is meant to be about Efteling memories, then I guess that may explain why the Flying Dutchman and Joris were left out: being relatively new, not many people have built up many memories around them? I haven't even been on them yet myself, although that is more down to the fact that when I go to the Efteling these days I'm always with a very short person who isn't allowed on them. On the other hand, Ravelijn is even newer and that's there. But they couldn't be expected to include every bit of music, I suppose.
You say that 12 minutes will be an advantage in winter, which is true, although it's not going to be actually possible to do it at all when there's a really cold snap. The last few winters we have had a least a couple of weeks where every lake and canal pretty much over the whole of the south has been frozen solid to several centimeters. That would make fountains a bit of a problem. Although maybe the light effects would still work, which would also be rather pretty under ice!
Joris en de Draak has a English counterpart, which is George and the Dragon. In other words Joris is the same as George in this case. So, this is no misstake.
As I have read the winter would not be a problem for Aquanura. The part where the fountains are is said to be heated. :)
I hope they change the show once a while with different pieces of music. I personally love the tracks of George and the Dragon and Fata Morgana. But also the track of Vogel Rok should fit in well. Or in time Hartenhof.
Aquanura's soundtrack is really wonderful in my opinion. The orchestral version of 'By the Sleepy Lagoon' is genius, and the soundtracks of Droomvlucht, Villa Volta and 'Danse Macabre' fit in beautifully. I understand some foreigners may not feel a connection to it, but generations of Dutch recognise it instantly. Shame though that the soundtrack of Fata Morgana isn't used yet. The facade of the attraction on the lake's shore could have been incoorporated by using projections during that scene? 8)
Quote from: "*TIMMIE*"Joris en de Draak has a English counterpart, which is George and the Dragon. In other words Joris is the same as George in this case. So, this is no misstake.
Well so do Assepoester, Doornroosje, Roodkapje etc. But when you are talking about the versions in the Efteling, I think one should stick to the Dutch names!
QuoteAs I have read the winter would not be a problem for Aquanura. The part where the fountains are is said to be heated.
They'd have to be heated to boiling point to combat some of the cold we've had recently, and even then that wouldn't be enough to stop the water freezing in the air, especially at night. Nor would I really fancy standing around to watch at minus 17 (the lowest we got to here, about 40 kms from the Efteling). But you can never be certain that this sort of show won't have to be cancelled occasionally: that will even happen to Dreams at some point!
Quote from: "DutchBrit"Quote from: "Vegitabeta"Aquanario?! Lol yeah nice name...Here is the link if anyone wants to read my Aquanura review. http://eftelinguk.com/2012/06/02/aquanu ... r-verdict/ (http://eftelinguk.com/2012/06/02/aquanura-the-armchair-verdict/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Good review, although it's JORIS and the dragon, not George! ;)
If the show is meant to be about Efteling memories, then I guess that may explain why the Flying Dutchman and Joris were left out: being relatively new, not many people have built up many memories around them? I haven't even been on them yet myself, although that is more down to the fact that when I go to the Efteling these days I'm always with a very short person who isn't allowed on them. On the other hand, Ravelijn is even newer and that's there. But they couldn't be expected to include every bit of music, I suppose.
You say that 12 minutes will be an advantage in winter, which is true, although it's not going to be actually possible to do it at all when there's a really cold snap. The last few winters we have had a least a couple of weeks where every lake and canal pretty much over the whole of the south has been frozen solid to several centimeters. That would make fountains a bit of a problem. Although maybe the light effects would still work, which would also be rather pretty under ice!
Lol, well, my site is aimed at the UK folk so I use the English where I can. Never really thought about the ice situation but maybe they will have figured a way around that.
Does Efterling close in the winter? I thought DLP was just about the only theme park in Europe to stay open all year round. I know British theme parks close in the winter.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Does Efterling close in the winter? I thought DLP was just about the only theme park in Europe to stay open all year round. I know British theme parks close in the winter.
No, not any more. For the last few years it did April to November with a winter opening for a couple of weeks around Christmas/New Year, but then they built a lot more on-site accomodation, so now the park is open all year.
I went to the Efteling last week, and the park closed at 6 PM. So, unfortunately I couldn't see all the colors and lights because of the daylight. The only thing I saw was just water. This way it got quite boring actually. I saw the premier of Aquanura on tv, and it looked so much better when it's dark. I really want to go back this summer when the park is opened until midnight,'cause I really want to see the show when it's dark.
Because of all that, it was all kind of underwhelming. The music was great, even though it wasn't the same than the actual music you hear during the rides.
Quote from: "Fairest-one-of-all"The music was great, even though it wasn't the same than the actual music you hear during the rides.
Well actually... It is... :')
Yeah it seems to be the same but 'enhanced' I know that the Brabant orchestra re-recorded it for Aquanura.
Quote from: "JelleP"Quote from: "Fairest-one-of-all"The music was great, even though it wasn't the same than the actual music you hear during the rides.
Well actually... It is... :')
What I actually mean to say is that the music isn't as bombastic as in the rides, which I think is such a shame. Haha, I'm sorry for my bad explanation. :lol:
Quote from: "Fairest-one-of-all"Quote from: "JelleP"Quote from: "Fairest-one-of-all"The music was great, even though it wasn't the same than the actual music you hear during the rides.
Well actually... It is... :')
What I actually mean to say is that the music isn't as bombastic as in the rides, which I think is such a shame. Haha, I'm sorry for my bad explanation. :lol:
Ah, got it ;)
I think it's amazing !
Bart de Boer stated Aquanura has been tweaked. Especially the version by day. Overall there should be more details and they should use more hight in the daily performance.
Aquanura is sub-par compared to Disney Dreams!
Aquanura isn't even in the same league as what i have seen from Disney Dreams.
Saw the Efteling show a few weeks back and it's a "ok" show, especially the fountains and a soundtrack are great.
It's a great addition to the Efteling thou and really needed.
But no Disney magic ;-)
Exactly.
Quote from: "Soap"It's a great addition to the Efteling thou and really needed. But no Disney magic ;-)
Not what the Efteling managment are aiming for though, is it? Disney characters would be out of place in the Efteling, just as the Sprookjesbos could never fit in at Disney. Apples and Pineapples. Both good in their own ways.
Quote from: "DutchBrit"Quote from: "Soap"It's a great addition to the Efteling thou and really needed. But no Disney magic ;-)
Not what the Efteling managment are aiming for though, is it? Disney characters would be out of place in the Efteling, just as the Sprookjesbos could never fit in at Disney. Apples and Pineapples. Both good in their own ways.
What's a Sprookjesbos I wonder ? Indeed, Aquanura and Dreams look like very different shows. Aquanura full of Efteling magic I'm sure, not that i've seen it in person and Dreams more spectacular and full of Disney magic.
Sprookjesbos are, basically speaking, fairytale/stroybook characters, any ppl from BeNeLux correct me plz if I am wrong
Quote from: "Thaliel"Sprookjesbos are, basically speaking, fairytale/stroybook characters, any ppl from BeNeLux correct me plz if I am wrong
Almost: the translation for "Sprookjesbos" is "Fairytale wood", the oldest part of the Efteling and where it all began 60 years ago. It's really a wood with real trees and amongst the trees you find little scenes, figures and attractions representing various fairy tales. https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl ... sUFvCKXBws (https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1160&bih=745&q=sprookjesbos&oq=sprookjesbos&gs_l=img.1.0.0j0i5j0i24l8.749.10934.0.11980.24.18.6.0.0.0.109.1589.17j1.18.0.eqrwrth..0.0...1.9sUFvCKXBws%22%20target=%22_blank%22%20rel=%22nofollow)
It's extremely well done and very pretty, and personally I think it's got a reality and charm that you would never find at a Disney park. But, as with Dreams and Aquanura, comparisions are mostly pointless - they are too different!
Quote from: "DutchBrit"Quote from: "Soap"It's a great addition to the Efteling thou and really needed. But no Disney magic ;-)
Not what the Efteling managment are aiming for though, is it? Disney characters would be out of place in the Efteling, just as the Sprookjesbos could never fit in at Disney. Apples and Pineapples. Both good in their own ways.
Well i dont agree with you there.
The Efteling and DLRP are in the same business (themeparc imageneering) and you can compare them very good imho.
Both try to give you the believe of entering another world, more then for example Sixflags/Walibi kind of parcs.
So i expect surely that Efteling management watched the succes of World of Colour in the US and thought to put
up such a show in the Efteling. And they did a good job with it, that for sure.
But on that level Aquanura is an ok closing show (and great for dutch Efteling visitors!), but Disney Dreams is a more and an almost epic closing event for a themeparc in my humble opinion.
And offcourse Disney characters shouldn't be the Efteling....
But opinions may differ offcourse :thumbs:
I simply do not understand what the urge is to pick which is the better one. The shows are just too different, and both are lovely. I see both use water, but the details and approach is just too different. AquanurA is using water in certain ways to create details, combined with lights, music and some other special effects. It is aiming to give you the feeling of your memories of a day in the park. Dreams is using water, projections, and some other special effects combined with the well known Disney characters. It tells a story of those characters.
I just saw Aquanura for the first time by night last saturday (new version). I love it even more by night. The details are great. The colours used, the details the fountains provide, the music. It all comes together. The raven of Raveleijn shown by the water turning into the horses, the giant fairytale mushroom (red with white dots), the dancing elves on african beat (Indian waterlillies/Indische waterlelies), the hands waving at carnaval festival, the turning of the house of Villa Volta. :)
Solet me one more add in another competitor:
Autostadt wolfsburg
They intentionally planned to show all the 4 different shows from the last 4 weeks, but after the 2nd, tehre was such heavy rain everyone got drenched and it had to be stopped.
well still the 2 shows we saw weare pretty awesome as always.
The shows were moved this year, from the Lagoon near the entrance all the way back to the Harbour pool, with the old Volkswagen Factory being used not only as a background object, but also as projection screen.
This year's theme was italy, to celebrate the 5th anniversary of the Italian guest workers coming to the Volkswagen production
So let us start with the shows I did not see personally.
1st would be "arte e cultura"- Arts and culture
[youtube:2vegdsyk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REmQJYMAUhs[/youtube:2vegdsyk]
and 2nd goes "Gloria e honora"- Glory and honour
(long vid, you can skip parts if you want)
[youtube:2vegdsyk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ednFVexv14o[/youtube:2vegdsyk]
Now onwards to the shows I just saw tonight
1st one is "amore e passione"- Love and passion
[youtube:2vegdsyk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oqnkYqEZuc[/youtube:2vegdsyk]
and the other is "Paradiso e inferno"- Heaven and Hell
[youtube:2vegdsyk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqNf_PxEL8A[/youtube:2vegdsyk]
you might miss any fireworsk, but IMHO they are not really needed. The only time the show had fireworks was in the year the local soccer club became national champions