I've just been reading that the strikers have caused the last Once Upon A Dream parade to be cancelled and then cheered when the announcement was made. Also WDS was closed because of the striking. This is terrible for the guests and what bad timing, I hope it doesn't affect the 20th Anniversary launch.
DLP.info are doing a great job covering it all here: http://www.dlp.info/News/2012/03/breaki ... and-paris/ (http://www.dlp.info/News/2012/03/breaking-news-work-action-inside-disneyland-paris/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;) and http://www.dlp.info/News/2012/03/more-b ... ing-worse/ (http://www.dlp.info/News/2012/03/more-breaking-news-strike-action-inside-disneyland-park-its-getting-worse/%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
EDIT: InsideDLParis is reporting that OUAD parade is delayed rather than cancelled, even though DLP.info reported that the cancellation was announced to guests.
I'm confused as to why they were allowed in the park in the first place?
Maybe they came in as normal and then congregated once inside?
InsideDLParis has just confirmed that OUAD parade has been cancelled. What a shame for it's very last performance. A sad farewell to a great parade and a song that grew on me.
i don't think they should be allowed to do it inside the park, but it's horrible even if they do it outside the gates. This is when the real world comes crashing down on the magic. I don't hold out much hope for Disney Magic on Parade tomorrow. They should find another way of resolving their problems and not ruin the experience for the guests. I'm glad I'm not going in April now.
I hope they get fired.
talk about ruining it for everyone. They should've been taken off park immediately. Thousands have waited for that final performance, they've paid a lot of money, and this group of idiots have ruined it. What exactly are they striking over? As much as it's their right to strike, they should not be doing it the way they are.
Quote from: "Auroura86"talk about ruining it for everyone. They should've been taken off park immediately. Thousands have waited for that final performance, they've paid a lot of money, and this group of idiots have ruined it. What exactly are they striking over? As much as it's their right to strike, they should not be doing it the way they are.
From what I read they are on strike for 4% increase in pay, 25% increase for Sundaywork , and a one time bonus of 359 euro for the 20th anniversary
I think the so called cast members who caused the parade to be cancelled should be ashamed of themselves especially the ones who cheered when it was announced. I understand they may feel the need to strike and they are in the right to do so but in the guidelines to work for Disney isnt part of the job about keeping the magic alive for everyone. I'd be heart broken if I had been there.
Well this came out of the blue, personally I cannot see DLP allowing the strike action to take hold of the press event tomorrow, but who knows, there's always a first. It's also nice to see when the rest of Europe is going through pay freezes and very small pay increases these unions are demanding rather astronomical pay increases by 25% for Sunday work. Well wouldn't it be nice if people were even paid more for Sunday to work in Britain. :roll: Not to mention of course this bonus for the 20th anniversary, just wondering exactly why they should gain a bonus as it is the birthday year, this does sound very strange, as I am sure most of the cast members stating they want this have not even given 20 years service. These strikes seem to have become an annual occurrence of late, I do wonder how long it will be before people striking are banned from inside the park, it does seem rather odd that they should even be allowed within the park and stop the parade so often. But great to hear that characters went out and entertained the guests all the same, well done to the entertainment department. :D
I wonder how many of these staff enjoyed the exclusive preview of Dreams last night?
I work at a theme park, and working weekends is something which is part and parcel of the job, it's the leisure industry. If you want any more pay for working weekends, then a normal 9-5 is for you. Work at a theme park and expect to see yourself working at weekends. Or alternatively, give your employer availability to say you can't work weekends and enjoy them as your days off.
Ruining it for everyone doesn't gain respect, it just dissapoints people.
If they're willing to go to enough lengths to stop the parade and block the entrance to Space Mountain, it goes to show how little these 50 cast "members" respect the guests.
They don't respect the guests, but they've done it before. It's a shame for those going to the press event on saturday because the strikers will probably want to course as much trouble as they can.
I can't believe I'm reading This!!!! When I saw this on twitter, I thought it was "lightning Strikes" that canceled OUADP, Stars and Cars today. Now I'm hearing that it was CM's Strikeing... I loved OUADP and can't believe this happen! I thought that was only aloud outside the park!!! I hope City Hall got a lot of comments today! Tomorrow/today begins DLP's Biggest (and maybe most important) year ever. They now have a fantastic night time show to live up to. It 's time DLP puts it's foot down and steps up! What a shame on OUADP's last day!!!!
Hearing stuff like this really winds me up. Some people may have only been at the park for a day trip and it was ruined by these selfish people. The cast members applied for the job knowing the terms of employment. With any job that I've been in, if I didn't like the pay or the hours, I got another job. In the current climate, they are lucky to have jobs. especially to have jobs at a place where a lot of people would love to work.
It's bad enough for adults who have paid alot of money to go, but they've also ruined it for children, it must be very disappointing for them. The strikers should find another way of making their point.
Surly it should be an honour to work at DLP, thats discusting to hear. We where there last week and despite being there 3 times before. Had the most amazing time, looking into going back for the 20th anniversary celebrations now. Our daughter was treated like royality, we cant thank the cast members enough. x
It's absolutely disgusting and I hope that they were actually fired for this. The increases I read of are unreasonable. When you work somewhere like DLP, you don't work there for the money. That's the last thing that should motivate you to work there. I used to work at a theme park, and pay was the last thing on my mind. Working sundays, I'm sorry but it's part of the job, it's one of the busiest days of the week as it's a weekend. They should have an unbderstanding of that when they sign the contract. They have ruined things for many many people. But it's the children I feel most for. And to hear that they cheered at the announcement that the parade was cancelled is sickening. I hope they've all been dealt with.
Quote from: "Auroura86"It's absolutely disgusting and I hope that they were actually fired for this.
The increases I read of are unreasonable. When you work somewhere like DLP, you don't work there for the money. That's the last thing that should motivate you to work there. I used to work at a theme park, and pay was the last thing on my mind. Working sundays, I'm sorry but it's part of the job, it's one of the busiest days of the week as it's a weekend. They should have an unbderstanding of that when they sign the contract. They have ruined things for many many people. But it's the children I feel most for. And to hear that they cheered at the announcement that the parade was cancelled is sickening. I hope they've all been dealt with.
you can't be fired for taking strike action if you are a member of the union.
People are entitled to strike and as Elaine says, you can't be fired for doing so.
While I'm sure it was very disappointing for people hoping to see the parade, there isn't much point in strike action that doesn't inconvenience someone in some way. Perhaps the CMs could think of a visitor friendly strike, like not selling tickets and letting everyone in without them, or not charging for food, but the scope is limited and both would be much harder to arrange.
I hope that most CMs enjoy their jobs, but I'm not sure I'd call it vocational like doctors, nurses or teachers and I think it's a bit unreasonable to expect them to be doing it for love alone.
Quote from: "DutchBrit"People are entitled to strike and as Elaine says, you can't be fired for doing so.
While I'm sure it was very disappointing for people hoping to see the parade, there isn't much point in strike action that doesn't inconvenience someone in some way. Perhaps the CMs could think of a visitor friendly strike, like not selling tickets and letting everyone in without them, or not charging for food, but the scope is limited and both would be much harder to arrange.
I hope that most CMs enjoy their jobs, but I'm not sure I'd call it vocational like doctors, nurses or teachers and I think it's a bit unreasonable to expect them to be doing it for love alone.
I couldn't have said it any better and totally agree. It's their right to strike, but I feel also sorry for the guests. Just because it is Disneyland doesn't mean that everything is fine there. However I think they should not have gone into the park. The resort hub would have been more appropriate.
I don't know how it works in France, but in Portugal when you're on strike, you can't to go inside the facilities.
Hopefully the matter will soon be sorted out and a compromise can be reached between management and unions, which is what usually happens in the end. Everything seems to have gone OK today, so it looks like it's just a minority of CMs taking action. I agree that strikers shouldn't be sacked and it is in France where strike action does seem to be apart of the culture. That said I also agree that the resort hub would have been more appropriate than the park. I do know if I had been there I would have very disappointed to find parades and shows cancelled and rides closed for a time. It is Disneyland and for some people it is once in a lifetime experience. And although I'm not a father myself, I can imagine the situation would have been very disappointing for children.
It's the children that I was thinking of when I said that, just don't see why just because they're part of the union, and are legally striking; that they should be able to get away with ruining things to that extent. Had they been at the hub, I probably wouldn't have been so extreme as to say fired. Just, not allowed to get away with taking it to the extent that they did, and to cheer when the parade was cancelled. So not fired, but definitely given some sort of warning. You know?
I was there yesterday and the reason I was given for the various cancelations was that the power lines which (especially around TS) could be found on the ground along the route made it impossible to run the parade :? Also all the transportation and mini morning parades were cancelled because of this reason. This came from a CM that I was talking to, he could have been spinning me a line though :oops:
The strikers were there obviously but from what I saw it was all good natured, if noisey ;) I have some pics and a video of the events and will post them when I can.
I was at Disneyland on the day of the strike on Friday all protesters were outside the park in the morning nobody thought anything of it as you never expect anything like that to happen.this was my childrens Christmas present and those who choose to strike I hope you all are very happy my children sat waiting for a parade to be met by protests,security,and angry parents that were waiting for a chance to wipe the smile off the protesters.they were cheering when the parade was not going ahead the poor children that had there dreams shattered by total selfish people.go on strike but what right did they have to ruin childrens holidays childrens dreams and memories did they think about the money we spent to go when they were striking about there pay.
Hope Disneyland digs deep in there pockets as I am gonna fight till I get back what I spent on a disaster holiday as should everybody that was there for these pathetic strikes
Quote from: "Maine82"go on strike but what right did they have to ruin childrens holidays childrens dreams and memories did they think about the money we spent to go when they were striking about there pay.
Hope Disneyland digs deep in there pockets as I am gonna fight till I get back what I spent on a disaster holiday as should everybody that was there for these pathetic strikes
Umm, you were only there for one day? If so, then I can imagine that not having a parade would be disappointing, but would that really turn a whole trip into a disaster? I thought I read that several characters did come out and walk the parade route, so that must have been some consolation?
I suppose you can try to get something in the way of compensation, but I wouldn't be holding my breath, to be honest.
No body pays the money they do to go there and not see the parade there were a few characters that came out of the city hall but so many people crowded them it was impossible to see them any way.no matter how many days I was there for I didn't expect to have my children upset when it was meant to be a fairy tale holiday.just say you went to a garage payed for a car you really wanted for someone to tell you when you pick it up that you can't have that one and you have to settle for a old banger but you wouldn't be refunded for the expensive car you payed for.Disneyland has a lot to answer for and after speaking to other parents there,they will not here the end of it for a while off a lot people
Quote from: "Maine82"No body pays the money they do to go there and not see the parade there were a few characters that came out of the city hall but so many people crowded them it was impossible to see them any way.no matter how many days I was there for I didn't expect to have my children upset when it was meant to be a fairy tale holiday.
So in fact you did see the parade, just not on that particular day. I think that does make a difference, really. Also there are no guarantees that ANY entertainment or attraction will be run/be open on any one particular day. I doubt that you can really hope to prove liability.
Most closures/no shows are due to unavoidable circumstances, which of course this was not, so I can imagine it is more annoying. But perhaps just not as annoying as you seem to be finding it! One has to have a sense of proportion about these things.
Unfortunetly or fortunetly people are allowed to strike in all professions, it was just bad luck that you ran into one. You could have been caught up in a transport strike. But I do sympathise, strikes aren't very magical.
I was there for more then one day but didn't see the parade as we were not at that park the time of the parade our last day we wanted the children to see the parade to leave on a high and have a great last memory.
I am not saying I don't agree with people striking but what grown adult would shout and cheer that a parade had been cancelled because of them and see thousands of children unhappy, scared because of there actions people like that shouldn't be working around children any way.wasn't the childrens fault they don't get enough pay but they were the only ones that suffered that day
i think many of us agree that taking strike action inside the park wasn't the right place to do it, but then others say how else do they get their point across. They didn't need to cheer and celebrate stopping the parade. I support the right for people to go on strike but I don't like to be put out when the trains, boats, planes and parades stop running. You were unlucky. Put it down to experience.
I am sure if they had put more thought into it they could have found a way that didn't put so much misery into thousands of children,I hope they don't get a pay rise after what they did they have no sympathy off anybody that had to witness the strike with there children so many people went home with bad memories maybe we should have gone on strike to put are point across.
am disgusted with Disneyland and would never recommend it to anyone
That's probably what the strikers are hoping you will say, they want to cause Disneyland maximum trouble until they get what they want, that's why they try to stop the parades. They know they can hurt the company that way.
Quote from: "Epcot_Boy"I was there yesterday and the reason I was given for the various cancelations was that the power lines which (especially around TS) could be found on the ground along the route made it impossible to run the parade :? Also all the transportation and mini morning parades were cancelled because of this reason. This came from a CM that I was talking to, he could have been spinning me a line though :oops:
The strikers were there obviously but from what I saw it was all good natured, if noisey ;) I have some pics and a video of the events and will post them when I can.
Those power lines where there all week and did not stop the parade the other days. Our family found the striking CMs quite noisy and unpleasant.
Both the parade and the character train went out perfectly on press day, Saturday 31st. The only signs of a strike we saw were a few banners and people handing out leaflets at the gates, who Kristof quietly booed as we passed!
The parade was heavily guarded by "security" though, walking a few metres apart on both sides of the parade for its entire length. It looked like everyone had come out to support the parade and make sure it went through, no matter what. We even spotted Peggie Fariss, head of Paris Imagineering, walking alongside it!
Again, during the press "premiere" of the 20th Anniversary Celebration Train, there were about 20 CMs on each side, guarding its run around the parade route. They began clapping along half way up Main Street.
A great show of solidarity from the 99.9% of the 15,000 hard-working Cast Members who don't want all their efforts ruined by an unpleasant and out-of-touch minority, who could have seriously harmed the resort's reputation on the one weekend it was seeking to cast off its troubled earlier years. I don't know the finer details of what they're requesting, but surely one day these people will realise that disrupting the "product" of their loss-making employer is not the best way to get a raise - and certainly not the way to get any public support.
quite agree Anthony, although after similar disruption (last year?) and identical cheering to a parade cancellation, I think they got their raise!!!
Quote from: "Maine82"I am sure if they had put more thought into it they could have found a way that didn't put so much misery into thousands of children,I hope they don't get a pay rise after what they did they have no sympathy off anybody that had to witness the strike with there children so many people went home with bad memories maybe we should have gone on strike to put are point across.
am disgusted with Disneyland and would never recommend it to anyone
Please tell me how could they have found a better way??????????
I agree with a lot of people here that the way of the strike is not well chosen but what is the best way for a CM to get his way.
Stop the main event that everybody wants to see.
It isn't fun for the guest and very scary for the children but it is their only hard leverage they have.
When the trains or planes go on strike they won't ride/fly a lot of people get stuck and have a bad experiance but we all can relate to them. So way can't we relate to the CM wo were on strike?
Simple we all are selfish and think: hé I paid a lot of money and you just need to work because I paid foir it.
I can understand all the bad thoughts here I really can.
Maine82 you say you are disgusted with Disneyland and would never recommend it so that means the CM on strike won.
You had a bad experiance for 1 day yes I know you wanted your children to have the best memory to take home and not a strike, but if you let that influance you in that way I really hope you never ever get to deal with another strike because than your life will be very dull for exsample if you never want to fly anymore because of a plane strike you won't get to a great place like Disneyland in Anaheim.
I've read on Disney Central plaza that another strike has been called for April 12th surprise, surprise. I hope the strike, if it happens, turns out to be a flop with little or no support from CMs.
Indeed they are planning a strike on the resort hub the 12th, from 8 till 12 am...
Well if it's on the the resort hub and not in the parks that might not be to bad. I hope such a special day isn't spoilt for guests.
For goodness sake, if they aren't happy working for Disney they should just leave.
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"For goodness sake, if they aren't happy working for Disney they should just leave.
Exactly!!!
I doubt any of them are being forced to work there. They will have signed contracts when they began employment there, which meant they agreed to the terms of employment. Unless the terms have changed since they signed the contract, then it's their own fault if they aren't happy. They would get no sympathy from me if their picket line blocked my way into the parks.
From my experience the majority, not all, of the cast members are young adults or teenagers and this is just a part-time job. To me this just comes across as greed. I'm a student and work part-time in retail and would never in my wildest dreams consider striking for a 25(or whatever percentage it is) raise for Sunday work and a bonus. Like I said before, if they aren't happy working for Disney they should go elsewhere.
Come on, this is ridiculous!
You think that working for Disney automatically means forfeiting your rights? Same could be said about every other profession in the world. "You don't like it here? Fine, you are free to leave." God forbid workers fighting for their rights or better payment.
A strike normally stands at the end of failed negotiations so Disney is to blame as well for not preventing the situation to escalate. A strike is the only way for employees to get the company where it hurts. Yes, it is a great inconvenience for the visitors as well as for Disney - but that is the general idea. Nobody here knows what they want and what the company offered them, so don't be so quick to judge people as selfish when you don't know jack about them. The real world does not end at the park gates, if Disney wants to sell the illusion, it is their job to keep their employees happy, not the other way around.
my 2 cents
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"For goodness sake, if they aren't happy working for Disney they should just leave.
Because I'm sure it's really easy to find another job... :|
Quote from: "pfspock"Nobody here knows what they want and what the company offered them, so don't be so quick to judge people as selfish when you don't know jack about them.
But we do. See this post:
Quote from: "DisneyFanB"From what I read, they are on strike for a 4% increase in pay, 25% increase for Sunday work and a one time bonus of €359 for the 20th anniversary.
Quote from: "Josh"Quote from: "15MagicalYears"For goodness sake, if they aren't happy working for Disney they should just leave.
Because I'm sure it's really easy to find another job... :|
That's what winds me up. There are so many people out of work at the moment and so many businesses shutting down because most countries are in a state of recession. They are lucky to have a job. If they want a pay rise, try finding a job that will pay more. Unless Disney have said they're going to be reducing wages or making some other changes that means the cast members are going to be worse off, then I don't think they should be striking. This isn't just because it's Disney either. I think the same for company whose employees decide to strike.
I've got a friend who has been struggling to find work for the past 18 months and has actually applied for a job in Afghanistan as a plumber because he is so depressed about not being able to find work over in the UK. He would be more than happy to take the place of anybody who has a job but decides to strike because they aren't happy about something in their contract of employment that they signed.
I'm getting sick of hearing that they're striking atill. I'm sorry, I am. And you know what? if I had been there with my son when that happened i would contact Disney and demand a refund. I'm sorry but I would. In the financial state a lot of places are in right now those people are damn lucky to have a job. They don't know how lucky they are. Yes they have the right to strike but what right have they got to ruin everyone's experience/holiday? What right have they got to completely destroy a child's dream? What right have they got to ruin 20th celebrations? If they are striking in May and ruin things in May I WILL demand a refund and will not stop til I get it plus compensation. I'm not having yet another Disneyland trip ruined for my son. I'm not. (I may speak highly of past trips but the highs were far less than the lows, and I dont want to go into why)
Quote from: "Auroura86"If they are striking in May and ruin things in May I WILL demand a refund and will not stop til I get it plus compensation. I'm not having yet another Disneyland trip ruined for my son. I'm not. (I may speak highly of past trips but the highs were far less than the lows, and I dont want to go into why)
What exactly are you going to demand a refund for here. The cancellation of the Parade which are in the terms and conditions of visiting the park.
QuoteThe shows, parades and events are subject to change, postponement or cancellation without prior notice
By visiting you are agreeing to the terms of conditions. Unless the strikes were so severe you were unable to visit the park. You have no right or reason to request a refund. Plus one wouldn't be given to you anyway because its all listed under the terms of use. But I do hope you and your son have a magical time :D
To return to the subject of strikes for the moment. The fact these issues can not be sorted or resolved in a friendly manner proves to me just how poor the current Management team at Euro Disney S.C.A appear to be in the negotiation's. And I'm still struggling to understand why and how admission and access was given for them to enter the park.
I also have a question if more strikes go ahead will we see an increase in security around the parks. Or was the time before only a one off because Euro Disney S.C.A vaule the media and website owners more than its actual paying Guests?
put yourself in a child's shoes. Yes i understand there's instances which mean the parade can't go on. Trust me with what i experienced when i was 16, and from where i used to work; I know that too well. But nowhere, and I mean nowhere in the terms and conditions does it say 'parades may be cancelled due to staff strikes'. Disneyland is a place where dreams are meant to come true. Not a place where kids dreams get shattered by pathetic strikers looking to cause trouble
I would definitely at least demand some sort of compensation. Yes they have a right to strike. No they don't have the right to shatter children's dreams
Quote from: "Auroura86"I'm getting sick of hearing that they're striking atill. I'm sorry, I am.
Sorry but why??? think about it. In Brussel in Belgium all public transport is on strike because of security problems
A lot of people now have problems getting to school or their job. BUT I don't hear you complain about that because they want a safer job
Quote from: "Auroura86"And you know what? if I had been there with my son when that happened i would contact Disney and demand a refund. I'm sorry but I would. Yes they have the right to strike but what right have they got to ruin everyone's experience/holiday? What right have they got to completely destroy a child's dream? What right have they got to ruin 20th celebrations? If they are striking in May and ruin things in May I WILL demand a refund and will not stop til I get it plus compensation.
Good luck with that one.
A refund????? who are you the local comedian.
So you think it is ok to strike when you work for example at Philips or Sony and want more payment, but because now you work for Disney or the Efteling(in the netherlands) or Walibi (Belgium, France or the Netherlands)and work at a themepark you are not alowed to. Where is the logic in that.
Yes it isn't fun that they go on strike and yes it is no fun if you are there and the parade is canceled and yes it is no fun if your childs dream is chattere I can relate to a child I really can, but don't we need to go to the company who is responsible for this strike to happen? Yes I mean DISNEY. They won't pay their staff enough and they don't want them to get a salary that is rightfull. We all need to pay more for our groseries because of the financial state, but the only way for us to pay for that is to get more money from our jobs.
So my advise for you would be cancel your trip in may if you hear about a strike because you won't get a refund.
Like I said before I won't say I like the idea of the CM on strike but I can understand the reasons.
I don't have to like it but well I think they are right to do it.
Also we forget that we all need to eat and pay our rent(ot all CM live in a house from DLP)
Quote from: "15MagicalYears"From my experience the majority, not all, of the cast members are young adults or teenagers and this is just a part-time job. To me this just comes across as greed. I'm a student and work part-time in retail and would never in my wildest dreams consider striking for a 25(or whatever percentage it is) raise for Sunday work and a bonus. Like I said before, if they aren't happy working for Disney they should go elsewhere.
I don't know about your trips but on my trips I see a lot of the same CM and I don't think that a student will work from 10-19 on monday - friday and has time for school.
Also the CM I have seen are a lot older than the average student here in the Netherlands but hé that's just me.
Just about every contract there is temporary. I got offered a job and turned it down due to being pregnant, so yes most are there temporarily. It's up to them if they renew.
And you know what? I didn't come on here to be called names. I came on this forum because of how passionate I am about Disney. Forgive me for having very strong opinions. I'll shut up in future. This "local comedian" has had it. How dare you. Good bye to this forum and good riddance
QuoteBut nowhere, and I mean nowhere in the terms and conditions does it say 'parades may be cancelled due to staff strikes'.
The Park doesn't have to give reason for the cancellation of a parade or show. And certainly doesn't owe you or anyone else a refund or compensation if it has to cancel the parade because of a strike. Your demands would either be laughed at or ignored.
I'm really shocked to read how peole think about striking. I've studied law and have specialized in labour law. I'm glad that we have unions and people who care about the work place and payment, otherwise the companies would do whatever they want.
I guess most people here don't have any background informations about the strike, but complaining is easy. Disney is a company like every other and so the CMs have the same right like every other employee in France or Europe. TWDC knew that before they moved to Europe and now they have to deal with it. It is bad for the guests and I feel sorry for them, but some reactions here are over the top.
I'm glad there are more mature topics and boards than this one.
Quote from: "Auroura86"Just about every contract there is temporary. I got offered a job and turned it down due to being pregnant, so yes most are there temporarily. It's up to them if they renew.
And you know what? I didn't come on here to be called names. I came on this forum because of how passionate I am about Disney. Forgive me for having very strong opinions. I'll shut up in future. This "local comedian" has had it. How dare you. Good bye to this forum and good riddance
I actually agree with you for the most part. I would be livid if their striking upset the holiday I have spent the last year planning and saving for. I know I wouldn't get anywhere trying for a refund though. I think what they are campaigning for is ridiculous! 25% pay rise for Sunday working :shock: and a bonus because it happens to be an anniversary year, are they having a laugh? I strongly disagree with these terms, and this is why they will have no sympathy from me. I work for a bank, can you imagine the uproar if we all went on strike because we wanted bonuses because its a leap year or something? And for those on this thread from the UK who are saying the strikers are well within their rights to do so, regardless of the upset and inconvenience it causes, I hope you'll aall be as supportive when the fuel tanker drivers and the teachers go on strike!
There is no need to be personal about comments, if you disagree with other people's opinions, then say so, respectfully.
Quote from: "dagobert"I'm really shocked to read how peole think about striking. I've studied law and have specialized in labour law. I'm glad that we have unions and people who care about the work place and payment, otherwise the companies would do whatever they want.
I guess most people here don't have any background informations about the strike, but complaining is easy. Disney is a company like every other and so the CMs have the same right like every other employee in France or Europe. TWDC knew that before they moved to Europe and now they have to deal with it. It is bad for the guests and I feel sorry for them, but some reactions here are over the top.
I'm glad there are more mature topics and boards than this one.
It is great that people have the right to strike for what they believe in, I also know from experience that generally the larger the company, the worse they'll try to treat their employees. However, I can't see how it can be considered wrong to disagree with what they're doing and express how upset they would feel if they had been inconvenienced by the action. It's ok for the cast members to voice their opinion, but not the people their action affects?
Quote from: "Auroura86"I would definitely at least demand some sort of compensation. Yes they have a right to strike. No they don't have the right to shatter children's dreams
I agree that you wouldn't get compensation anyway, but also think about who you are asking for compensation
from. The Disney company. The ones the strikers are fighting with. So if you make the company lose money, then you are actually helping the strike action, because it might work out cheaper to give the strikers what they want....
And it's hardly only workers at Disney who could inconvenience you. The ferry workers or airport staff could also cause problems. Should they be banned from striking too? There are names for societies where that is not allowed, but it's not "Democracies".
Also useful to keep a sense of proportion about these things.
Quote from: "dagobert"I'm really shocked to read how peole think about striking. I've studied law and have specialized in labour law. I'm glad that we have unions and people who care about the work place and payment, otherwise the companies would do whatever they want.
I guess most people here don't have any background informations about the strike, but complaining is easy. Disney is a company like every other and so the CMs have the same right like every other employee in France or Europe. TWDC knew that before they moved to Europe and now they have to deal with it. It is bad for the guests and I feel sorry for them, but some reactions here are over the top.
I'm glad there are more mature topics and boards than this one.
Well not all of us have an educated background on the subject, but I'm seeing it from a guest point of view and giving my opinion. Which is that I think it's crazy and unreasonable that CMs are striking for a bonus and extremely high pay rise for Sunday-work. Bonuses are supposed to be one-off rewards for hard work, attempting to sabotage your work place and creating havoc sure as hell isn't going to get you a bonus.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very sorry for the guest and of course they are allowed to complain. But just because someone has a bad experience doesn't justify that the CMs shouldn't be allowed the right to strike. In my opinion it's a fundamental right in the Labour Law. I'm so harsh, because I get the feeling that just because it is Disneyland it means that everything has to be fine there every day and each CM has to love his work, because he is working for Disney. We all know that Disney has been in the news for low wage. I also agree with some here that the strike should not have been held inside the park. Usually that's not allowed, at least over here a strike has to be held outside the company's area. It mainly happens at the front gate, which would be the resort hub. However as long as there is no official announcement I find it hard to believe that the bonus and the raise for Sunday work are the main reason. There's no doubt that the CMs over reacted last weekend, but that was just a small group.
I have seen companies that tried to get rid of the unions just to hire and fire like they want to.
Another strike is planned for the 12th from what I hear, I know I'd be annoyed if they entered the park again and got the parade cancelled, but I wouldn't come home and complain to Disney and expect a refund. I may let them know my disapointment but to ask for a refund....that would probably give guest relations a laugh.
Well, then you should probably tell Disney to treat their employees better and give them fair raises (4% = greedy? come on) so that there will be no more need for a strike. And considering the 25% raise for Sunday work, do you know what they get right now? No? Me neither. And you don't know if Disney offered them any raise at all. So, again, don't be too quick to judge.
That Disney still acts like an American company that can treat its workers like rightless subjects is not the employees' fault.
I'd be angry, if a parade gets cancelled, if attractions are closed etc. but that's the general idea of a strike: Lower guest satisfaction which will force Disney to negotiate, or they will lose customers. But don't blame the employees alone, it's Disney's fault as well. Disneyland is a business, nothing else. They try to maximize their profit, their employees try to make their share. Nothing more, nothing less.
The cast members knew the terms and conditions of employment when they took the job. No one forces them to work for Disney. If they don't like the work then go elsewhere.
Equally, no one has the right to demand a refund because of industrial action unless that action directly impinges on them. For example travel plans or hotel provision. Entertainment, or lack thereof, is not a justifiable reason for refund.
Finally, I think Aurora86 is owed an apology for the rude comments stated earlier and I trust that an apology will be made to her inbox
As far as pay rises go, I haven't had a pay rise for 3 years.
Quote from: "Auroura86"And you know what? I didn't come on here to be called names. I came on this forum because of how passionate I am about Disney. Forgive me for having very strong opinions. I'll shut up in future. This "local comedian" has had it. How dare you. Good bye to this forum and good riddance
Ever heard of sarcasm??????
Ofcourse you are intiteld to have your opinion, even if it is strong as yourself has put it.
Quote from: "DutchBrit"I agree that you wouldn't get compensation anyway, but also think about who you are asking for compensation from. The Disney company. The ones the strikers are fighting with. So if you make the company lose money, then you are actually helping the strike action, because it might work out cheaper to give the strikers what they want....
And it's hardly only workers at Disney who could inconvenience you. The ferry workers or airport staff could also cause problems. Should they be banned from striking too? There are names for societies where that is not allowed, but it's not "Democracies".
Also useful to keep a sense of proportion about these things.
That is excactly what I ment in my first post on this subject.
Why is this any diffrent than when any other company's employees go on strike.
@15MagicalYears : Speaking for myself. At my work I get a 100% bonus for working on a sunday. In most contries the sunday is still a day to spent with the family etc so that's why a lot of companies give a bonus for working on a sunday.
So I think 25% is not that mutch and just like Dagobert said and I stated more than once.(but in other words)
There's no doubt that the CMs over reacted last weekend, but that was just a small group.
Quote from: "paterdave2"Ever heard of sarcasm??????
Ever heard of the lowest form of wit??????
Quote from: "ford prefect"Quote from: "paterdave2"Ever heard of sarcasm??????
Ever heard of the lowest form of wit??????
In the country I live in we have a saying perhaps I translated it wrongly but the conance is prety simalar
If I would translate it word for word it would say
Are you the funiest at home.
it is really meant sarcastic but she can always report me is she wants.
And sorry no I havent heard about that but that is because I come from the netherlands
The phrase
"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"
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has been wrongly attributed to Oscar Wilde however it is a rather unkind thing t say in English.
Quote from: "ford prefect"As far as pay rises go, I haven't had a pay rise for 3 years.
so what? you didn't get one, no one else is entitled to one?
And as far as the terms and conditions go, well, with this reasoning there would have been no raises or substantial improvements in working conditions in the last 150 years. Come on
Wel where I live sarcasm isn't the lowest form of wit as you put it.
It is more a way to say: hello look at this in a some what funny way.
Yes you always can take it personal but if she had read the reply and than I mean really read it she could have known that it was ment like a joke.
and no I am not apoligising for something that I have said and other people misunderstood.
No, I am merely pointing out that during extremely difficult economic times the idea of expecting a pay rise is unrealistic. I am self employed. I work six days a week for 12 to 13 hours a day.
It is a very competitive world, I manage 3 businesses, am a school governor and a member of a local racing club. I work very hard to provide a good living for my family and contribute to my community.
I have no right to expect more than I earn. No one owes me a living.
I never said no one s entitled to a pay rise, but if you think that you have a god given right to a pay rise then you had better sit down and have a coffee.
A pay rise is not automatic, I have just been forced to reduce the hours and salaries of two of my staff.
If I ad not done that I would have had to make one redundant.
Which is better, 2 jobs at a reduced salary or 1 at a historically average wage.
History does not guarantee the future. Just because people have had pay rises in the past it does not mean an employer can afford to give them in the future.
The needs of the business outweigh the needs of a few unrealistic employees.
Quote from: "paterdave2"Wel where I live sarcasm isn't the lowest form of wit as you put it.
It is more a way to say: hello look at this in a some what funny way.
Yes you always can take it personal but if she had read the reply and than I mean really read it she could have known that it was ment like a joke.
and no I am not apoligising for something that I have said and other people misunderstood.
If it s misunderstood perhaps that should be explained so other people's feelings are not hurt.
We should always explain ad apologise for misunderstandings.
Quote from: "pfspock"Quote from: "ford prefect"As far as pay rises go, I haven't had a pay rise for 3 years.
so what? you didn't get one, no one else is entitled to one?
And as far as the terms and conditions go, well, with this reasoning there would have been no raises or substantial improvements in working conditions in the last 150 years. Come on
A valid point. However, if every single employee in every company became fed up with their working circumstances and went on strike, everything would come to a stand still. I don't get a pay rise unless my sales targets are met. If I don't reach my targets, I don't get a pay rise. I can't then go on strike because I don't get a pay rise, for one, I knew the conditions of me getting a pay rise and for another all my employer would say is if I don't like it perhaps I should seek employment elsewhere. In the current climate there is no 'elsewhere'!
I genuinely dont mind the cast members strike action, if they did it outside of the parks. I've never heard of action such as this taking place on company grounds. Normally the picket line is on the boundary isn't it?
When Disneyland held the press event, they invited journalists from all over Europe and so there were also some from Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
Now for the 12th birthday tomorrow one of the newspapers released an article about the press event last weekend. The article also mentions the strike. The German Disney employee who catered the German speaking journalists told them the reason for the strike.
Die vertraglich verankerte Gehaltserhöhung von elf Prozent, die Mitarbeitern jedes dritte Jahr zusteht, wurde auf drei Prozent gekürzt.
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That's how it translates: Disney and the employees had a contract that stipulates a pay raise of 11% all 3 years, but DLP cut it down to 3%. That's a reduction of 8% and that's why a small group are on strike.
I know many here still don't understand the CMs, but I would also be angry if I have a contract that gives a raise of 11% and then it gets cut down to 3%. I don't know if that's true, but I guess the German Disney employee isn't lying to the journalists. At least I hope so.
11% is a huge raise in today's economy, but in my opinion it's Disney's fault. They have to be more careful with contracts, especially what the contract stipulates. They have to think first and then hand out a contract.
I'm glad to live in a country where hardly any strikes are held, because the relationship between the companies and the unions is very good and in recent years both sides did everything that we got a pay raise, even during hard economic conditions, and that not a lot of people got fired.
One last word to the Sunday work. Over here you also get the double wage for Sunday work.
This was my last post in that topic, because cultures are different when it comes to strikes and I guess we all have different opinions on that, especially when it comes to the perfect Disneyland.
I've been following this thread for a while and am pretty disappointed by how people have started to talk to each other.
It's a sensitive subject and every one is entitled to his or her opinion. Some see it from the workers point of view, others from a guest point of view and I think both points are legit to some extend. And for the rest: can't we all just agree to disagree?
My personal opinion is that everyone has the right to strike and should do so if everything else fails. What bothers me about the Disneyland Strikes is the way it is done. It seems apparent that they don't strike at any given day but chose specific dates where it will hurt the most, like the last ever OUAD Parade or the 20th Birthday today, 12th of April (though as far as I know, no strikes have happened yet, so that might have just been a rumor)... and the apparent delight of some of the strikers at the cancellation of the Parades. I think that if you work in a Place like Disneyland, the Hotel and Restaurant Industry, you should still always - at least in the back of your mind - have the Customers in mind.
So strike: yes, definitely, it is a way to get heard. But like this? I disagree.
As for the current economy in Europe over all, I might be naive, but I expect people to have some sort of understanding and also some sort of loyalty to the company they work for, especially if this company is struggeling. But again, just one girls humble opinion.
The striking in the resort hub wasn't so bad on the 12th. They were just there with vuvuzelas while security held them back and redirected guests around them. It didn't spoil my birthday, so I was fine with it.
Yes Josh, that's right but a very small number of strikers managed to cause inconvenience to a great number of people, so if that was their aim it worked! I arrived at 0845 for the 0900 opening and was prevented from using the Disneyland park entrance along with hundreds of others and was directed to the WDS entrance,stopped halfway down to the park to have my ticket checked, stopped again outside the Disneyland hotel and had my ticket checked again and then had to wait in a crush of people until about 09.30 before we could get into the park. By the time we got in we had no chance of getting anywhere near the action and had to watch it on the big screens in Town Square before we could walk past the flash mob down Main Street. And do you know what? I would gladly go through this again!! Hundreds of cast members treating you as if you were important,obviously happy in what they were doing, That was a once in a lifetime experience and really made me feel a part of the Disney family and not just a cash cow!!!
If that's the case, I'm glad I came a bit later; even if I missed the flash mob. :(