What's this? Two new rides in 2014!?
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I really like Mr Gas. Although he's still very much a businessman, he seems to enjoy his job a lot.
But yeah, Anthony summed up all of my thoughts: the second attraction couldn't be Sourin' (sadly). It would have to be either a replacement for Armageddon or he's trolling us and is referring to the Ratatouille restaurant. :P
Split this from the Ratatouille topic - very exciting!
Glad you agree with those predictions, Meph. The budget being announced again as €150m seems to confirm it won't be anything too major, as that's what we were expecting Ratatouille to cost, but any of those three suggestions I put out would certainly be a big boost to the park. Does anyone have any other possible ideas?
It might also show they're worried about Ratatouille being too popular for its own good, if they're planning to increase capacity somewhere else alongside it. Probably a very good idea, to disperse the crowds, as the Studios will suddenly be becoming a must-see part of the resort with its own dark ride, if it isn't already.
I think Disney is either replacing Armageddon, because in a round table discussion Mr. Gas mentioned that the licencing agreement on that attraction is running out and you don't invest in 15 year old licences, or they are building a smaller ride next to Ratatouille to increase capacity in that area.
However I would have prefered to see something new inside DLP as well. My choice would have been the Star Tours upgrade.
In the interview Mr. Gas does say that they're also building new hotels and restaurants, so I don't think he's thinking of the Ratatouille restaurant when he mentions a second ride... But the thought did cross my mind that he could be talking about a new photolocation or something like that...
No matter how sad it would make me (I love that show, and now thinking about it I got the song stuck in my head :roll: ), but replacing Animagique by a 4D show makes sense, as Anthony says they could run it non-stop throughout the day, and really increase the park's capacity.
I wouldn't be sad at all to see Armageddon go though. Last time I did it was over 2 years ago, and it was only because there was no queue and it had been a few years since our last visit... I also imagine that it wouldn't bee too difficult to re-theme the whole thing, maybe with a Marvel theme, and keep many of the current elements. An Avengers ride for instance?
I agree with replace for Armagedon- i visit this atraction one time ( only for nothing queue) and nothin give more give me go on this in future.
And i HOPE for Animagique for some next years! Animagique is ONLY ONE big live show in Disneyland Resort with big magic! Please, dont cancel this atraction! I want to see it this year!!!!
It would be really sad to see Animagique go, even if it's 'old' I still enjoy it everytime we go in and see it. It doesn't have this whole outdated feeling like HISTA or Captain EO gives me. I agree with the posts above with 'letting Armageddon go' - it seems to be okay the first time you go in (just ok though, nothing more) but has no repeat value whatsoever.
If Ratatouille is gonna be expensive, would there be any chance the new 'attraction' could be another character meet-up point like the Princess Pavilion (I hope not...)?
Couldnt agree more I think it's time for Armageddon to go its a great attraction but the pre show is just far to long I understand that due to capacity the pre show is that length only went on it this year because it was so cold -6 in January/February. Also maybe instead of building another attraction how about making the Tram tour more exciting apart from Catastrophe Canyon and the Reign of Fire set's what else is there to see how many times can you look at the Dinotopia sets YAWN
I also bet on Armageddon, just because Mr. Gas mentioned it in one of the latest round table discussions.
If WDI really replaces Armageddon, I hope the come up with something that fits there. The new attraction should be based on a Disney live action movie and not on another cartoon. For that we have Toon Studios, Backlot is about action movies.
I also hope they have a masterplan in mind, because the time of quick fixes should be gone by now.
Some here mentioned Philharmagic as a replacement for Animagique. Since Cinemagique is already a screen based attraction, I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to have another one the other side of Studio 1. I'm against Philharmagic, because every cinema offers a better 3D experience. It's not that special anymore than 10 years ago. I know it's going to open in Tokyo soon, but I hope for somethinh new.
So I think it will either be a replacement of Armageddon or a small new ride for Toon Studios, because there it is very easy to add a new attraction. Just take another character and a cheap carnival ride and that's it.
I would be totally ok with losing Animagique. Replace it with Philharmagic, it is essentially the same story anyway. Armageddon can crawl away and die somewhere as far as I'm concerned. Ok that is a little harsh, but it is taking up valuable space.
Hey, is it needs to be something to do with SFX, how about a re-creation of the 20,000 Leagues squid fight? :D
Quote from: "Vegitabeta"Hey, is it needs to be something to do with SFX, how about a re-creation of the 20,000 Leagues squid fight? :D
Now that would be something to see! Like an updated version of the Giant Squid attack from the Nautilus in the DLP? :D
I like the idea of a Marvel retheme for Armageddon. That wouldn't necessarily add capacity, but it would make people actually want to ride the attraction, so the queue line would fill up much more. They'd also be able to create a pre-show that has more of an actual narrative to it. The major reason why that's so boring at the moment is that literally no-one cares about Armageddon, so they had to go with a concept that consists entirely of "scream as loud as you can several times".
But then I wonder... would Disney want their first Marvel attraction to be something small like this? Wouldn't they want to make a big splash with it... or would no-one notice anyway? (Just like no-one outside of Disneyland Paris fans knows Armageddon itself exists as a Disney attraction)
I'd hate to see Animagique go, because it's such a unique show. They could change some of the songs, though, to make it feel 'fresh'. (Then they could say on the brochure that it's "new". :P ) And why should it go? Isn't there an Aladdin show in DCA that's the longest running broadway-like show in the world? :)
Also, they could have Avatar as a replacement for Armageddon. They could talk about the green screens and GGI and have guests interact with them. It'd fit with James Cameron's wishes of having more of his franchise in the parks.
(And I hope this new hotel will be the one they're planning on building where that Disney Events tent is, currently -- near the Disney Lake.)
I really hope Disney don't waste any time or money trying to fix Armageddon by simply retheming it. That building and plot of land is way too small to fit a decent attraction on, so why don't they just turn it into a restaurant or shop?
I'm hoping that Animagique will be replaced by Mickey's PhilharMagic. Sure, the film will be 10 years old by the time it opens (if it opens in 2013), but it's one of the best attractions at the Magic Kingdom in Florida. I think it would be very popular in France, and always have a line of people waiting to see it.
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Could €150 million be enough money to build Ratatouille: Kitchen Calamity and Toy Story Midway Mania!? Apparently Midway Mania cost $80 million to design and build, which converts to €61 million. That leaves €89 million for Ratatouille. Doesn't sound like enough to me.
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Although I also liked Philharmagic, I want to see something new and not a 10 year old 3D movie. Disney has so many possibilites, so please something new.
I would say the other attraction will be even on a smaller scale than TSPL, just a small addition to Toon Studios.
Personally I don't think Animagique should be replaced, DLP is severely lacking in shows compared to other resorts. Plus it's the only theatre production resort-wide that's open year round. Maybe they should just update it if they feel it's a bit dated, what about a Princess & The Frog scene? Can you imagine a fire fly effect in the show? It'd fit perfectly.
Also, I agree with not bringing Philharmagic to the studios. It's badly outdated and 3D shows aren't as impressive as they used to be due to them being widely available at cinemas around the world and almost every new release being in 3D.
In that same interview, Philippe Gas said:
"For fifteen years, we target all families with children. We lost a lot of energy talking to them indiscriminately regardless of their nationality and their profiles. Since 2006, we segment our offers and our communication."
What exactly does he mean? It sounds to me like even families with children wasn't a narrow enough target. So in the past 5 years they've narrowed down their focus even more!
If's that true, it's not good. What about all those people without children that enjoy the parks? What about solo visitors? What about young couples? What about old couples? What about families with teenagers?
I know it may not be anything more than a glimpse of hope, but I would really want the "Second Attraction" to be the
Theatre District placemaking project that was in the pipeline for Production Courtyard not that long ago.
QuoteAfter the 2007 Hollywood Boulevard place-making around The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, Theater District is - or was - a second planned place-making project for the rest of the land, primarily around Place des Stars, CinéMagique and Walt Disney Television Studios and possibly to be completed as part of the also-planned construction of Soarin'.
The Theatre District placemaking will focus entirely on the area surrounding Production Courtyard stage. It is the location where several technologies in movie projections will be demonstrated: Cinémagique, Stitch Live and Soarin' (in the future). The area will likely welcome several new Hollywood-style moviesets in front of the existing buildings. Guests will have to go through these sets to discover the actual attractions.
From viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3305 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3305%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)
Animagique should be replaced, yes. It's boring. It was a great show, but now it's boring. However, do you actually think DLP should cancel another live entertainment show? Another one? Really?
The Studios are enclosed by Studio Tram Tour. This attraction has no sense in that location. It's 'suffocating' the park. Remove this ride or move it!
I've created some beautiful maps.
Actual WDS.
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Area that should be removed.
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The problem with Studio Tram Tour is that the Catastrophe Canyon would be really difficult to move. But the right place for the attraction is next to Moteurs.. Action!
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I would locate Fantasmic! behind Big Thunder Mountain and Studio Tram Tour next to Moteurs.. Action! But I think this is unlikely.
Quote from: "netjack"I know it may not be anything more than a glimpse of hope, but I would really want the "Second Attraction" to be the Theatre District placemaking project that was in the pipeline for Production Courtyard not that long ago.
Then he wouldn't have used the word "attraction", lol
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Nice map, Lorum, but if I'm not mistaken, Disney can't remove that forest. I think I read somewhere that disney is forced by contract to keep a certain portion of it. Maybe someone else knows more about that.
Well, then let's keep the forest. It's from.. e.g. Narnia.
And don't forget that directly behind that forest is where the new water recycling centre for the resort is being built. Sadly, moving the tour will be no easy task. It wasn't even in the original plans for the park that there would be any attractions there. The park was meant to snake to the left; away from the Disneyland Park. :)
Quote from: "Lorum"Animagique should be replaced, yes. It's boring. It was a great show, but now it's boring. However, do you actually think DLP should cancel another live entertainment show? Another one? Really?
Always a shame to lose live entertainment, but in this case I think PhilharMagic would be so much better for the park. I'd love to see a Hyperion Theatre built further up our future Hollywood Boulevard. The reason why DLP has lost so many stage shows is because its theatres aren't big or suitable enough to justify the expense. Installing The Legend of the Lion King in the 400-seat Videopolis was, in hindsight, a ridiculous decision. They really need a proper theatre.
Also, the Animagique building is perhaps the most hideously lacking building in any Disney park in the world. Anything that could see some application of actual
theme added to its façade is fine by me!
Quote from: "netjack"I know it may not be anything more than a glimpse of hope, but I would really want the "Second Attraction" to be the Theatre District placemaking project that was in the pipeline for Production Courtyard not that long ago.
It's unlikely to happen, but I agree it should. As excited as I am about millions being spent on Ratatouille, Euro Disney SCA don't seem to have paid any attention to the rest of the park in about 5 years now. Theater District was meant to happen at the same time as Soarin' was built in that corner, which now probably isn't going to happen any time soon. They really need to push through this project sooner, and please
please just ditch the terrible Production Courtyard name and rename it to Hollywood Studio. A tiny change that would make such a difference.
If Armageddon were to change, I hope they'd also do
something to Backlot. It's always been ugly, but only coming straight from areas like Toy Story Playland do you realise what a genuinely horrible place it is to be.
And this option?
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Disney's Hollywood Studios = 41 Ha
Walt Disney Studios Park (Now) = 16 Ha
Walt Disney Studios Park (Yellow Expansion included) = 24 Ha
That looks about right. And that should leave plenty of room for the third theme park behind it. :)
They could even put the new tram tour entrance at the back of the new land, behind the small forest.
Exactly. That was the idea. lol
There is an area of 46 Ha behind Backlot. But is that the location for the third park?
Quote from: "Lorum"Exactly. That was the idea. lol
There is an area of 46 Ha behind Backlot. But is that the location for the third park?
For what i've read the 3rd park plot should be the one between the newport bay club and boulevard du parc.
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Indeed, the 3rd park would be built on land over the road from the NPB Club. A few years ago someone had the bright idea of building a F1 race track on it instead, thank goodness that never happened.
No, that's where the volcano-themed water park will go. :) But I might be wrong about where the third park will go. That land could be reserved for Val d'Europe. But there's a lot more room for a third theme park between the Boulevard du Parc and the Circle Road.
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The 3rd park isn't shown on the map so it's hard to say. I thought it was going to be built on land over the road from NPB Club, but as EuroDisney haven't decided to build a 3rd park yet, maybe it doesn't matter? Lava Lagoon, the water park, I don't know if that will ever happen or where it would have gone for sure.
The largest Disney Resorts expansions in terms of 'enough space' could be Walt Disney World, Shanghai Disneyland and Disneyland Paris.
Tokyo Disney Resort is completely saturated, as well as Disneyland Resort.
Walt Disney World:
· Enough space even if they want to double the number of parks.
Hong Kong Disneyland:
· One more park
· Having six hotels at the most.
Shanghai Disneyland:
· No mention. It's going to be huge.
Disneyland Paris:
There's enough space to build at least 4 more Disneyland Parks, apart from the area designated for Val d'Europe expansion.
· Disneyland Park Expansions: Adventureland/Frontierland, Fantasyland and Discoveryland (if they wanted to).
· New land for Walt Disney Studios.
· Two more theme parks.
· One water park.
· Disney Village expansion, including a Cirque du Soleil resident show.
· Two Disney Hotels or more.
Disney did talk about the possibility of a third park at Disneyland in California, but it was put on hold after DCA opened and under performed.
Quote from: "Lorum"The largest Disney Resorts expansions in terms of 'enough space' could be Walt Disney World, Shanghai Disneyland and Disneyland Paris.
Tokyo Disney Resort is completely saturated, as well as Disneyland Resort.
Walt Disney World:
· Enough space even if they want to double the number of parks.
Hong Kong Disneyland:
· One more park
· Having six hotels at the most.
Shanghai Disneyland:
· No mention. It's going to be huge.
Disneyland Paris:
There's enough space to build at least 4 more Disneyland Parks, apart from the area designated for Val d'Europe expansion.
· Disneyland Park Expansions: Adventureland/Frontierland, Fantasyland and Discoveryland (if they wanted to).
· New land for Walt Disney Studios.
· Two more theme parks.
· One water park.
· Disney Village expansion, including a Cirque du Soleil resident show.
· Two Disney Hotels or more.
A few years ago TWDC purchased a strawberry farm near the resort and that offers enouh space for a third park.
Tokyo could do a landfill. If I'm not mistaken, the current resort is also built on reclaimed land. If a company would do such a thing to increase the resort, then I'm pretty sure it would be OLC.
The same goes for Hong Kong. A landfill is always possible, but not very likely since the second park will not be built in the next ten years.
I also don't think WDW is going to build a fifth park in the near future. Currently they can barely maintain the current four parks, like Kevin Yee from MiceChat shows every few weeks. It's better to invest in the current parks, like they do now. EPCOT needs something new and DHS and DAK should be expanded first.
With the current attendance numbers and the financial background, I don't think we will see a third park in the next ten years. I guess ED SCA knows that and that's why they expanded the agreement with the French government until 2030. That gives Disney more time for the third park. Until then TWDC has got a new CEO and maybe ED SCA as well. And these new CEOs may have another interest in what's going to happen. If they are going to build a third park, I think they will use the space opposite the NPBC.
Meph mentioned the Lava Lagoon Waterpark a few posts above. In my opinion that water park is dead, especially since Disney is doing the joint venture project Villages Nature and that includes a water park or something similar.
i think that the land fill for a second park at Hong Kong Disneyland has already been done?
Yes that has already been done, I meant if they want to expand beyond a second park.
I said in terms of "enough space", not in terms of financial results. I was not predicting anything. I'm talking about areas, not possibilities.
Mouetto over at DCP has had the confirmation from DLP, there was a mistake in the interview transcript... It's only ONE new ride for WDS in 2014 :(
Quote from: "Lorum"I said in terms of "enough space", not in terms of financial results. I was not predicting anything. I'm talking about areas, not possibilities.
I know. :) You made it clear in your post, but I just wanted to go a step further. I wanted to show that no land doesn't mean that expansion isn't possible, while a lot of land doesn't mean that there will be an expansion.
Quote from: "never2old"Mouetto over at DCP has had the confirmation from DLP, there was a mistake in the interview transcript... It's only ONE new ride for WDS in 2014 :(
Honestly I'm not disappointed, because who knows what the small ride could have been. In my opinion there are enough small rides in the park. WDSP needs a crowd eater, like a dark ride. At least we get Ratatouille. And hopefully the proposed table service restaurant!
Well, let's organize the forum. If you want to, we could keep on talking about the attractions here, and expansions in the WDS Masterplan thread.
WDS Masterplan //http://www.magicforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12458
And WDS needs this kind of attractions.
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I assume the hotels being referred to are the new ones in Bailly-Romainvilliers/Serris/Val D'Europe as previously announced (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12456 (https://forum.dlpguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12456%22%20onclick=%22window.open(this.href);return%20false;)) rather than the new Disney hotels near Disney Village.
Quote from: "ed-uk"The 3rd park isn't shown on the map so it's hard to say. I thought it was going to be built on land over the road from NPB Club, but as EuroDisney haven't decided to build a 3rd park yet, maybe it doesn't matter? Lava Lagoon, the water park, I don't know if that will ever happen or where it would have gone for sure.
Lava Lagoon would have been in the smaller space between Avenue Robert Schuman and Boulevard du Parc, while the 3rd park would have been in the larger gap between Boulevard du Parc and Boulevard de l'Europe (Boulevard Circulaire).
Quote from: "Lorum"Well, let's organize the forum. If you want to, we could keep on talking about the attractions here, and expansions in the WDS Masterplan thread.
We also have the Home Imagineering (//http://www.magicforum.eu/viewforum.php?f=14) board for members' own suggestions and masterplans!
Thanks, just to point me in the right direction, is that on the NPB Club side of the resort?
The proof that Euro Disney reads our forums. Disney denies the second attraction and says there was an interview mistake.
Quote from: "ed-uk"Thanks, just to point me in the right direction, is that on the NPB Club side of the resort?
Yes. Here's an incredibly rough and probably completely inaccurate map of where things might vaguely go:
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The 3rd park being the roughest element of that map. It has always been vaguely pinpointed there, but I can't understand how it'd really work in terms of access, parking, park hopping. They'd need to build the park out quite fully for people to bother travelling all the way over there.
Personally I'd love the water park to still go ahead, but Euro Disney SCA seem to have completely forgotten about it. I think it's exactly what they need to get people to stay an extra night and really consider this a "resort".
To bring this back to the Studios, the Backlot Hotel (//http://www.magicforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10747) plan was a very interesting possibility.
Great map! I'm sure you noticed what I thought while I were making the previous map. Euro Disney SCA has enough space even to build a 4th park.
If Disney really wanted, they'd quite easily get a third, fourth and fifth park in the amount of free space around them, it'd ruin the elegance of the DLRP circle but if it were in demand enough they certainly could, outside of WDW its probably the most flexible of all resorts for expansion.
I agree with Anthony, I went for 5 days - I probably wouldn't go for as long again unless there was either a third park or a water park to keep me a bit more occupied.
As a side idea, they could shift the massive car park too and run trams like WDW, the space there alone could form another park and it wouldn't be "that" expensive.
Quote from: "Trekkie101"As a side idea, they could shift the massive car park too and run trams like WDW, the space there alone could form another park and it wouldn't be "that" expensive.
Yes, the current car park would make a good spot for a smaller third park. As well as more accessible, it'd be able to share more backstage facilities with the other parks. I suppose it depends how many people they think the resort hub can handle. It's crowded already even with a half-built second gate. Add a third and it might become unbearable, concentrating the resort too much on that one spot.
Quote from: "Anthony"Quote from: "Trekkie101"As a side idea, they could shift the massive car park too and run trams like WDW, the space there alone could form another park and it wouldn't be "that" expensive.
Yes, the current car park would make a good spot for a smaller third park. As well as more accessible, it'd be able to share more backstage facilities with the other parks. I suppose it depends how many people they think the resort hub can handle. It's crowded already even with a half-built second gate. Add a third and it might become unbearable, concentrating the resort too much on that one spot.
I thought the same and that's why I think it's best to build a new park somewhere else. In my opinion the hub can't handle a third park. It's getting to crowded and that would be a security issue.
Thanks for posting the map, Anthony. I wonder if the 3rd park will ever happen and what the theme would be? Please let it not be Marvel themed.
I wonder how people would get to the third park from the carpark? Chances are that we'll be the first standard Disney resort to have a third park, so I can't think how it would happen when everything is meant to be no further than a 20 minute walk away. I guess hotel guests would be able to walk there, but how would you get there from the car park? There would need to be some sort of transport.
Quote from: Vegitabeta on March 14, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
I would be totally ok with losing Animagique. Replace it with Philharmagic, it is essentially the same story anyway. Armageddon can crawl away and die somewhere as far as I'm concerned. Ok that is a little harsh, but it is taking up valuable space.
Hey, is it needs to be something to do with SFX, how about a re-creation of the 20,000 Leagues squid fight? <!-- s:D --> :D <!-- s:D -->
Hahaha! Ok, that really made me laugh! But I do agree, Armageddon is a fairly pathetic attraction. I would be ok if they replaced it with a more entertaining simulator.
Will Armageddon have to go now that Jerry Bruckheimer and Disney have parted company???
Quote from: SGregory27 on September 21, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Will Armageddon have to go now that Jerry Bruckheimer and Disney have parted company???
Very good point! I hope so as Disney Die Hards seem fed up with it and even my fiance, who was visiting for the 1st time, was not interested in proving me right or wrong with this one! :D
Quote from: SGregory27 on September 21, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Will Armageddon have to go now that Jerry Bruckheimer and Disney have parted company???
The only thing is its good to warm you up on cold days
Quote from: SGregory27 on September 22, 2013, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: SGregory27 on September 21, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Will Armageddon have to go now that Jerry Bruckheimer and Disney have parted company???
The only thing is its good to warm you up on cold days
Armagddon will soon close without a replacement, but I don't think this is related to Jerry Bruckheimer quiting Disney. Remember the Pirates movies are from his company too. ;)
Quote from: Kristof on September 22, 2013, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: SGregory27 on September 22, 2013, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: SGregory27 on September 21, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Will Armageddon have to go now that Jerry Bruckheimer and Disney have parted company???
The only thing is its good to warm you up on cold days
Armagddon will soon close without a replacement, but I don't think this is related to Jerry Bruckheimer quiting Disney. Remember the Pirates movies are from his company too. ;)
Hurrah! No Johnny Depp add on! Good thing the movies were based on the rides not the other way round. I love PIrates
If They want more marvel in the park, why just not change the theme of armageddon to a marvel theme like the avangers. They could have the same effects, but with the voices of the marvel heroes. The avengers who save the world from Loki's revenge or something like that. I'm not really a marvel fan, but i think that's maybe a good 'cheap' sollution for the problem of armageddon. Althoug i prefer a more disney kind attraction like Phillarmagic.