Having gone straight from a few days at Disney to a few days at Alton Towers, firstly, I can appreciate what a bloody good job Disney does of adding all those extra touches. Whilst I enjoyed Alton, it made me like Disney a whole lot more :D
One thing I did think though was that there is one ride type there I'd REALLY love to see at Disney and that is a madhouse i.e. a spinning room like Hex or Villa Volta. They are exceptional rides, the illusion is fantastic, the throughput is high and it was the one ride at Alton that I felt could even touch Disney for themeing. I NEVER get tired of riding Hex because of the story and that feeling of your mind and body being confused as to which way up you are.
Is there a type of ride you'd like to see at DLP?
Splash mountain - between Pirates of the Caribbean and Indiana Jones. 8)
I would like Splash Mountain and/or a Little Mermaid dark ride.
I totally agree about Hex. I went to Alton Towers recently and I have to say that it just doesn't touch Disney on theming, It is way too spread out and poorly planned. With the exception of Hex. While not one of the 'big thrill' rides, it is fantastic. A very clever ride for the whole family, one that is often overlooked.
Splash Mountain, Indiana Jones Adventure like 'The Temple of the Forbidden Eye' in Anaheim.
I'd like to see one with an original story. :)
I too would love to see Splash Mountain but maybe have it indoors as the weather in Paris can be changable and cold, I'm sure it would still work just as well. Having been to the Paris park 12 times I think now, I know the rides pretty well but never tire of them. No one can do themes parks like Disney, okay they don't have big rollercoaster rides such as the ones you get at Thorpe Park ot Alton Towers etc but that's not what Disney is about.
jungle baggie, you may wish to try Universal Studios, Efteling and maybe Europa Park/Phantasialand. They also can and do rival Disney.
That aside, for attractions missing in DLP, I would love to see Splash Mountain (it runs in Tokyo - with a winter setting, they get snow and ice too) and Indy.
But I would love more educational story telling attractions akin to what you find at Epcot. Disney used to be more than characters and rides, there were things to be learned as well.
I would love an American Adventure type attraction about European History (though the wonderful Le Visionarium used to do a great job at it - much better than stupid buzz).
I would love a Journey to the Centre of the Earth or 20k attraction too.
anything that is not toon related is welcome.
Also a Mad House could be good, but Villa Volta and the one at Phantasialand are really awesome already, not sure if Disney could plus it more.
Hex is brilliant from what I've seen online, I'd love to try it. Something of that standard would be brilliant at DLP. Maybe for the studios showing how they can create an illusion in the matrix/inception or something. :thumbs:
I would love DL's Indy rather than the coaster which is there now. Splash Mountain would be nice, but I don't think the weather is good enough for it. A Great Movie Ride of some sort in the Studios, maybe a fresher version of WDW's, that would be nice! Also just, more in WDS.
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"I would love a Journey to the Centre of the Earth or 20k attraction too.
anything that is not toon related is welcome.
That would be awesome. I really miss the other Jules Verne rides of Discoveryland.
Concerning Splash Mountain: I don't think this would be the best attraction for Paris. If I was wet and there was a cold and clouded day as it often happens at DLP, it wouldn't be too much fun for me...
But splash mountain is in Tokyo, and TBH, if people don't want to get wet, heres an idea... DON'T GO ON A WATER RIDE! i've been to Thorpe park with friends who have turned round after going on tidal wave and said they didn't want to get wet!!
The Little Mermaid dark ride would be fantastic. I would like to see more Disney renaissance rides as I think the parks are too focused on the golden era of animation.
I'd like to see a completely original attraction that doesn't rely on any existing film or character. For me the best ones are those that create their own story, like Pirates of the Caribbean, Phantom Manor, Cinemagique (I realise this uses already created content, but the real charm is in now it is used and George the best character in the park) and Visionarium. More like those please.
Plus, we haven't had any new attractions like that with their own song, either. It would be great to have another one like that. Not necessarily a dark ride, though.
At this point in time, i'd like to see...
At Disneyland Park:
• The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Undersea Adventure (in Fantasyland)
• A Tangled dark ride (replacing Blanche Neige et les Sept Nains in Fantasyland)
• Splash Mountain with a The Princess and the Frog theme (in a New Orleans Square addition to Frontierland)
• Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril replaced with an Everest/Asia themed Big Grizzly Mountain coaster
At the Walt Disney Studios park:
• Ratatouille dark ride (next to Toy Story Playland)
• Mickey's PhilharMagic (replacing Animagique)
• Soarin' with either an Up or Iron Man theme (situated between CinéMagique and Stitch Live!)
• The Rock 'n' Roller Coaster rethemed to Tron: Legacy
Would you really want to see the Sleeping Beauty ride replaced? I'd have said it's one of the most iconic rides in the park given that the castle is the Sleeping Beauty Castle. I think it's also nice to have a ride featuring Disney's first animated feature.
As fr Iron man, are you suggesting it replaces Cinemagique or is situated near it? If it's the former we can't be friends any more ;) Cinemagique is one of the absolute attractions in DLP for me - such ingenuity and charm, and a bit of cinematic education too.
I think if the park is modernised too much it may put off some of the older fans, and while Disney are targeting families, they need to offer something for everyone.
The problem with replacing classic rides with ones branded to newer themes is that these newer themes will be old hat in a few years but the classic rides remain favourites for decades. I doubt Tron was on anyone's radar before a few years ago and I'd guess it probably won't be by this decade ends.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Sleeping Beauty ride replaced, because it doesn't exist in the first place :-)
As for the Snow White ride, I was thinking ahead. It would be great if the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train coaster that's opening at Walt Disney World in 2014 eventually came to Disneyland Paris. It looks like a ride that the whole family can enjoy together; rather than being either too kiddy (Casey Junior), or too thrilling (Space Mountain). It should appeal to all ages. So, if it came to Paris, our Snow White dark ride wouldn't really be required anymore, because quite a few of the attraction's scenes are replicated in the new coaster.
As for Iron Man, I meant it would be built in between CinéMagique and Stitch Live! CinéMagique is a great attraction, it just needs a better exterior, a pre-show and a digital projection system.
Tron: Legacy could be "old hat" in a few years, true. But Tangled is a keeper. It's really one of the best animated films Disney has ever made, on so many levels.
Also, you said if the park is modernised too much it may put off some older fans. But consider this. The most modern film with its own permanent attraction in Fantasyland is... Sleeping Beauty from 1959. That's a film from 52 years ago! If you look at Disney's ticket pricing, they state that childhood ends at 11. So in those 52 years, 4.7 generations of children have grown up!
So, I think Disney SHOULD modernise the park, fast. Even The Little Mermaid is 22 years old now! If they wait any longer, The Little Mermaid will known as the film your Grandmother grew up with!
Doh, look at me getting my Snow White and Sleeping Beauty mixed up!
Phew on the Cinemagique.
I've not seen Tangled yet - we have it, and my wife and son have seen it several times, I've just not gotten round to it yet. I'm very attached to the old classic rides so I'd personally not like to see a Coaster ride replace the dark ride of Snow White. I don't like coasters so that's no doubt got a lot to do with it. I'll seek out a video of the new ride at WDW and see what it's like.
I know the park has to keep attracting new generations of fans but I fear that it risks losing it's unique charm if there is too much modernisation and change. One I wouldn't mind going though is Armageddon. The pre-show seems to hype you to a level that just ends in disappointment when you enter a space ship themed room that wobbles a bit and has some fire effects.
I think I agree with you, Steve. Old rides shouldn't be replaced just because their theme is not the youngest. Classics like Snow-White, Alice in Wonderland etc. will never be outdatet. As a child, I never missed "new" stories at Fantasyland or complained about the "old" ones. The rides even increased my interest about the stories presented at Fantasyland. So I think, you must not replace these rides. For attractions related to new movies, you can use the Studios, in Fantasyland they wouldn't really fit.
And as already mentioned: I would prefer new rides with an own story, too. All these rides based on recent Disney movies really annoy me. There is nothing fascinating about them in my opinion. For example, even if Crush Coaster amuses me, it will never outdo BTM, because there you have a story the ride and great theming.
But please, do not sacrifice old attractions and replace them with new ones. As Steve already said, this just frustrates people loving the park as it was, also the rides will become outdated soon if dealing with recent movies only. We already have enough rides themed after Disney movies, in my opinion it would be time for something more innovative (like PM, BTM,POTC). If they aren't able to build rides like that anymore, I could also do without new rides.
Quote from: "PirateSteve"...Armageddon. The pre-show seems to hype you to a level that just ends in disappointment when you enter a space ship themed room that wobbles a bit and has some fire effects.
I entirely agree. We found the "show" very underwhelming, especially after the big build up before hand. Not as if the film itself is going to go down as a classic either, but at least the special effects were "special", unlike in the show. My son LOVED the Studio Tram Tour & Moteurs Action, mostly because of the fire, but after the Armageddon show even he was saying "...is that it?". Probably the only disappointment in the park for us, but I think you're exactly right that the pre-show hype and theming of the building made the situation worse, as it builds expectations!
In most cases I'd prefer rides weren't replaced, rather new ones added.
I'd like any new dark rides with decent AA's, preferably based on the renaissance period films of Roger Rabbit, Little Mermaid, Beauty & the Beast, or Lion King (perhaps not Aladdin as there are already 2 small attractions from that film).
Splash Mountain would be great, or any attractions with nicely themed queing areas (like ToT, BTM, Star Tours)
I'd also like the stage shows like Tarzan, Lion King etc to run all year round, even if only once a day.
Bring back "Honey I shrunk the Audience", perhaps in hourly rotation with EO for those who'd be upset by it's loss! Oh, and Muppets 4D in time for the new movie!
Quote from: "Patrick89"For attractions related to new movies, you can use the Studios, in Fantasyland they wouldn't really fit.
This very much depends on the subject matter, no? Because I can't see how Rapunzel or a princess with a frog is a worse fit in Fantasyland than, say, Sleeping Beauty or Snow White.
@DutchBrit
Exactly. In fact, the whole of Disneyland Park can be used for "new movies". They just need to fit the theme of the five lands.
True, I could see a Princess and the Frog attraction near the Molly Brown in Frontierland - keeping with the Mississippi theme.
They could turn Panoramagqiue into a house being lifted by balloons, rather than just a balloon :D
But we can't have too many characters, though. It would be nice to have more rides with original characters and stories. There are loads of rides in the Imagineering vaults like that were destined for DLP but were never built. There was even a Hawaiian water park with a volcano!
Agreed, but please no Hawaiian water park, or you know whose face will be plastered all over that!
ooh, i love guessing... umm hawaii, maybe a strange infactuation for elvis presley, a really weird dog?
PLUTO :lol:
no, seriously, i can't see stitch becoming a mascot for a water park, although i'm presuming he's probably the mascot for disneys hawaiin resort.
also, stitch can't swim, he nearly drowns in the movie.
Quote from: "Meph"But we can't have too many characters, though. It would be nice to have more rides with original characters and stories.
Nice maybe, but unlikely. When you get right down to it, why would you try to compete with a huge range of others when you can run a monopoly all of your own? Nobody else can use the Disney films and characters. Makes sense to concentrate on your core strength.
I think the problem isn't when Disney make use of their animated and live-action films. It's when they focus too much on cartoony characters that only appeal to toddlers. I mean, some of the best attractions at Walt Disney World use IPs (Intellectual Properties):
• Splash Mountain
• Mickey's PhilharMagic
• Twilight Zone Tower of Terror
• Toy Story Mania
• Star Tours
• Dinosaur
Disney have such a wealth of films and characters (Disney, Pixar, Marvel, Muppets), to me it makes total sense to use them, particularly in a Studios park.
Quote from: "DutchBrit"Nobody else can use the Disney films and characters. Makes sense to concentrate on your core strength.
That's not what Walt would think. :)
And think about all of the characters in the Haunted Mansion (and our Phantom Manor) and the pirates in Pirates of the Caribbean. We'll be seeing new characters like that in the Mystic Manor in Hong Kong Disneyland. :)
Quote from: "Meph"That's not what Walt would think. :)
No? If he was alive today and running his company, it might well have been. Pretty hard to say how someone who has been dead for 45 years would think.
Quote from: "Meph"And think about all of the characters in the Haunted Mansion (and our Phantom Manor) and the pirates in Pirates of the Caribbean. We'll be seeing new characters like that in the Mystic Manor in Hong Kong Disneyland. :)
Ok, but the ones in Hong Kong are a copy of the ones in other parks, not a new development, which is what this thread was about.
I just doubt that any new, major, ride in any of the current (or future parks) will happen that won't be based on a Disney film or character. And I don't think that's an unreasonable thing for Disney, as a company, to do.
Quote from: "DutchBrit"No? If he was alive today and running his company, it might well have been. Pretty hard to say how someone who has been dead for 45 years would think.
This is true. I'm just going on what came about when Walt was directly involved with Imagineering. A lot of things like It's a Small World and the Haunted Mansion were created during that period. Very few Disney film-based rides were outside of Fantasyland, IIRC.
It's rare to see Imagineering doing that these days, and I'm just saying it would be nice to see them producing those types of rides again, because they usually turn out brilliant. :D