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Title: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: mattboywonder on September 20, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
Ever notice how you never seem to hear German's in the parks?  Lots of Spanish and Italian....quite a few dutch but rarely German.  Even CM's giving safety talks on attractions TOT or Star Tours sometimes askes "espanol?" "Italiani" but never "deutsche?"

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: dagobert on September 20, 2011, 09:35:06 PM
I'm not a German, but Disney sees Austria as part of the German market.

There are many reasons why there aren't many Germans at DLRP.

First there is no advertising for DLRP in the DACH market (Germany, Austria, Switzerland), which amazed me, because that is a 100 mio people market. Germany, Austria and Switzerland are also one of the richest countries in Europe and are hardly effected by the current economic crisis. So Disney is losing a lot of money.

Another reason is that there are many great themeparks in Germany, like Europa Park, which offer better quality than DLRP for less money.  Especially the  Disneyhotels are often criticized by Germans. Germany has one of the highest hotel standard in the world and Disney's hotels are far away from that for the money you have to pay.

At the end, I think the main reason is the non-existent advertising. Germans travel a lot and Austrians and Germans have never spend more money on vacations than this year, but Disney doesn't want our money. Instead all the advertising money is spent on countries, like Spain or Italy, which are heavily hit by the economic crisis.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Aurora1 on September 22, 2011, 09:32:10 AM
I agree on the advertising, there is hardly any. And if there is you have to go look for it. Sometimes there is an ad on the windows at my travel agents office. But it is more expensive then booking on line.
I`m not agreeing that we are not affected by the economy crisis. We are , since a lot of exporting/importing is done in Euros. A lot of buissnesses have their share of problems.
But a little more advertising might help.
I haven`t seen or better heard a lot of swiss people in the parks. I think the most was in fall last year, when we heard them talking.May be because vacation in Switzerland is different in every region.
Aurora1
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: mausii on September 23, 2011, 09:01:05 PM
I'm from Germany and I think that most of the germans come around Halloween. And another reason is that it's very hard to find cheap offers for our country.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Patrick89 on September 26, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
I totally agree with the missing advertising. Also, Disneyland is perceived as very, very expensive. And as stated above, the hotels and expecially the food are perceived as pretty bad. Also the high number of other theme parks might be a reason.
But in my opinion, the main ones are the high prices and the missing advertising. Also, bookings in Germany have been more expensive than those from UK or France for a couple of years, it was pretty frustrating when comparing exactly the same travel data on the different domains. So high prices and missing advertisement might be the reasons (btw., if there is any advertising, it is focussed on children only, so they don't offer an incentive for young adults or teenagers...). The cliche is that Disneyland is for young children and thus "uncool" for others...
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Farbauti on September 28, 2011, 12:04:31 PM
I always try to invite my fellow countrymen to DLP - and often I'm successful ;)

But you are right: Too less ads, perceived as too expensive, quality of hotels.

Best regards,
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Josh on September 29, 2011, 12:09:25 AM
By the way, what are hotels like in Germany? I've never been to the country before, so I don't know what they're like. :)
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: davewasbaloo on September 29, 2011, 12:34:42 AM
Merph, the theme hotels at Europa park and phantasialand blow all the Disney hotels out of the water (Paris, Orlando and anaheim) go and check out my Easter trip report and you will see. The hotel colloseo, Santa Isabel and the ling Bao are amazing, and cheaper than DLP.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: DisneyBud on September 29, 2011, 03:17:50 AM
I lived in Germany over the past year as part of my university degree, and I found that (particularaly where I was in the east of Germany) it was not that easy to travel to Paris. Even from Berlin there were no cheapish flights, when compared to what you can get from the UK. I think this is part of the problem. Although I heard quite a few German speakers around the park when I was there in April and August, so some must find their way there.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Farbauti on September 29, 2011, 08:45:05 AM
We almost always go by car.
It's a 8-9h drive from Munich to DLP. In general we start at 3am, have a stop at Baden-Baden and another stop for breakfast at St. Nikolaus.
A flight will take 1h plus travel to/from the airports plus waiting times. Thus a flight will save you 2-3h but you are less flexible and the more people the more expensive a flight becomes.

I heared (but never tested) there is a good train connection from north of Germany to DLP directly.

Best regard,
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: dagobert on September 29, 2011, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: "Farbauti"We almost always go by car.
It's a 8-9h drive from Munich to DLP. In general we start at 3am, have a stop at Baden-Baden and another stop for breakfast at St. Nikolaus.
A flight will take 1h plus travel to/from the airports plus waiting times. Thus a flight will save you 2-3h but you are less flexible and the more people the more expensive a flight becomes.

I heared (but never tested) there is a good train connection from north of Germany to DLP directly.

Best regard,

We have also always taken the car, except for once when we took the train from Salzburg. We will never do that again, because we took the night train which wasn't comfortable and it takes the same amount of time when driving.

The car is really more convinient and it takes 9 hours from Salzburg. If we would fly, we need to drive to Munich or Vienna first and it is also more expensive.
When we take the car we always book an extra night at the Disney hotels and so we have the whole day to drive to Paris.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: DutchBrit on September 29, 2011, 10:11:33 AM
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"The hotel colloseo, Santa Isabel and the ling Bao are amazing, and cheaper than DLP.

Hmm. Not sure about this. When I was toying with the idea of going, I went to price things up and found it to be much more expensive that DLP. The hotel prices are roughly about the same, if you don't take all Disney's special offers into account (and usually you can get at least one of those), but the big thing was that the park tickets are not included with the hotel costs, so you had to add them on on top. So all in all, a 3/4 day trip would be at least 200 euros more expensive.

They may well be worth that 200 euros extra, but you've really got to be sure you want to go.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: EVE on September 29, 2011, 07:22:16 PM
i don't see or hear many germans too at the parks and were always a bit curious about that.
maybe we have enough own theme parks in germany . so the only people who visit dlp are disneyfans or families with kids. and its really expensive to go there for the whole family without discount. me and my sister are travelling 5-6 times a year to disneyland since we've becoming AP Holders. We have only a journey by car about 5 hours, thats really ok. so it might be more interesting for the people in west and southwest germany as well...
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: davewasbaloo on September 29, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: "DutchBrit"
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"The hotel colloseo, Santa Isabel and the ling Bao are amazing, and cheaper than DLP.

Hmm. Not sure about this. When I was toying with the idea of going, I went to price things up and found it to be much more expensive that DLP. The hotel prices are roughly about the same, if you don't take all Disney's special offers into account (and usually you can get at least one of those), but the big thing was that the park tickets are not included with the hotel costs, so you had to add them on on top. So all in all, a 3/4 day trip would be at least 200 euros more expensive.

They may well be worth that 200 euros extra, but you've really got to be sure you want to go.

Were you comparing them to the Disneyland hotel? I found that a better than dlh quality, we were getting the trip for the four of us at cheyenne prices this easter.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: DutchBrit on October 02, 2011, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: "davewasbaloo"Were you comparing them to the Disneyland hotel? I found that a better than dlh quality, we were getting the trip for the four of us at cheyenne prices this easter.

Comparing them to all the hotels. For example, the lowest rate you can get at the moment for 3 nights for the beginning of May in the Europa park is 852.50 euros (basic room, El Andaluz ) and that's only with a 3 day entry to the park. So that's pretty near the cost of the HNY with 4 day entry to the parks. And it's pretty likely that the current offer of only 15% off could be improved, so you might even be able to get the DLH for Europa prices at some points.

You must have been quite lucky when you went.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: davewasbaloo on October 02, 2011, 11:06:06 PM
I must have been, I got a fountain view at the hotel colloseo for 2 nights, 2 days for 589 euro for the 4 of us, I remember comparing it to DLP prices and being very pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: DutchBrit on October 02, 2011, 11:20:26 PM
Did that also include entrance to the park? It seems they have really put their prices up:it'd cost you about 200 euros more now if you wanted to go next May.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: davewasbaloo on October 03, 2011, 05:45:19 AM
Yes, that was bed, breakfast and two days in the park.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Aurora1 on October 10, 2011, 07:34:20 PM
This beginning october I heard quite a lot of Germans in the parks. As well as Swiss people.
Just my two cents
Aurora1
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Patrick89 on October 19, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
Signed. Last week I really heard a lot of Germans, more than ever before.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: smurfy74 on October 26, 2011, 10:59:23 PM
we came back 2 weeks ago and there were loads of German people there. We stayed in the Santa Fe and there were loads of Germans and Swiss checking in the same time as us. Normally we only here the odd german accent when we stay at the  NPBC
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: ThBa on October 27, 2011, 07:33:21 AM
Well....I will be at DLP in January 2012.   :D/

I guess the reason why there are not so many German people is because of the non existent advertisement in Germany.

No TV or Radio Spot.....no great offers like the "40%" and so on.

Most people think that Disneyland is very, very expensive and far away but if you watch the other country's offers you could get a good deal.

Thorsten from Germany
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Sugaroo_ on October 27, 2011, 10:28:05 AM
With zero advertising and parks like Europa Park (with it's very own famous mouse - Euromaus - Mickey's distant relative?  :P) and Phantasialand, there's no wonder DLRP doesn't see many German guests. Germans have a good theme park + resort market of their own, open almost all year round. We were at Europa Park in January 2011 and stayed at hotel Colosseo...amaaaazing hotel! Great buffet, lovely rooms and overall architecture. 180euro 2 adults for 1 night, without park tickets though. I didn't fall in love with the park, but in all fairness we were there the last day of the season and a lot of rides were closed due to the cold and snow. It is however a beautiful park and the hotel was superb! Conveniant travel connections to DLRP are a big factor. I need 2 planes and train to get there, if it's not the journey time that deters you, it's the cost!
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: davewasbaloo on October 27, 2011, 12:21:31 PM
I do not think I would have fallen in love as much with Europa park in winter. but going in 24 degree temps with late hours and all the shows, it was amazing and would rather be going than to DLP next year. the sad thing is, I feel I need to give DLP one last chance for the 20th. and if we did not have our villa there, I am not sure it would be enough to bring us back. even my kids would rather go to legoland, Europa Park, Phantasialand or efteling before returning to DLP.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Sugaroo_ on October 27, 2011, 12:36:37 PM
Davewasbaloo - That's exactly why we would give Europa Park another go, we surely didn't see it in its prime season, even though the Xmas decor was still up and it was lovely. Also it was for only 1 day and 1 night, a fun stop on our way from Munich to Berlin.

I know this is completely  :offtopic: but is Efteling nice? We will be going in January during our visit to Amsterdam, then right after we're off to Paris & DLRP. PM me if you'd like, I always find your posts insightful!
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: davewasbaloo on October 27, 2011, 01:07:33 PM
Efteling is excellent ,but again, I am not sure i would like it in winter. I never holiday in winter unless it is the caribbean or middle east. DLP is a no go for us between October and April, it is too cold.

But we loved efteling, the ravelijn show, villa volta, sprookjesbos, Fata Morgana, droomflucht, panda droom, the haunted castle, the flying dutchman, vogel rock were all world class, as well as the great scenery, are world class. THe only down side is food options are not great.

But overall we spent 4 great days there. Check out my trip report on this board including pictures.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: BlackPearl on November 20, 2011, 12:52:41 AM
Hi, well, we went to Dlrp last week and apart from my own car I only found two other German cars in the parking lot
of Disneyland Hotel. In the park we only heard two or three other groups speak German.
I can only agree with previous replies: there are as good as no ads for Disneyland in Germany.
I'm really a fan of Disney and the park and always searching the brochures of the travel agencies for special offers,
because it's really expensive otherwise. I'm quite lucky, that it's only a 4-5 hour-drive to Dlrp by car and I don't mind driving. So, I will visit Disneyland again, of course  :D
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: momotaro on January 16, 2012, 12:06:59 PM
same problem with northern europe (any nordic country, sweden, norway, denmark, finaland). no advertisement, rarely any better offers for disneyland, far more for danish legoland, so people go there more (and its cheaper to fly there).
i barely now found a decent offer for us in finland.
and even tho the market is not so huge (maybe around 20-30 million for all 4 countries), still its among the richest markets in europe, so there should be more advertisement.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Someguy on January 18, 2012, 01:07:25 PM
QuoteI'm really a fan of Disney and the park and always searching the brochures of the travel agencies for special offers,
because it's really expensive otherwise.
Quotei barely now found a decent offer for us in finland.
I am not sure I understand this. Booking through the official disneylandparis online site, can't you have the same offers as anyone else? I am not sure where the problem is...
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: BlackPearl on January 18, 2012, 10:06:16 PM
Quote from: "Someguy"
QuoteI'm really a fan of Disney and the park and always searching the brochures of the travel agencies for special offers,
because it's really expensive otherwise.
Quotei barely now found a decent offer for us in finland.
I am not sure I understand this. Booking through the official disneylandparis online site, can't you have the same offers as anyone else? I am not sure where the problem is...

Hi, someguy, there really are different offers. The best I could find on the German site was 20%, on the UK-site
there are offers for 30% or even 40% and you won't find many advertisements on TV. Well, it's not really a problem
for me, but I think they are wasting a chance to get more guests.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: NanookJackal on January 18, 2012, 10:53:32 PM
Oh wow, in the News they said that the Year of 2011 was a record in German Vacations, they almost spend something about 12 billion euros... Thats a lot of money they did spend everywhere else but not at Disney, thanks to the great adverts on german television  :twisted:  
I just don´t get it why not trying to get the germans into the parks, they realy do spend a lot of money vor vacations, but hey maybe disney will get it one day, when its to late and the germans stop spending all they´re money on vacations xD
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: momotaro on January 19, 2012, 09:57:27 PM
I am not sure I understand this. Booking through the official disneylandparis online site, can't you have the same offers as anyone else? I am not sure where the problem is...
--------

first of all, no, i cant..each country has its own offers. northern europe rarely gets good offers. and theres absolutely NO advertisement, nothing, so how can people know more about it.
There are advertisements for Legoland, so naturally people will go there, but nothing about Disneyland. Some people of course go, but there could be more.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: britincgn on January 20, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
No advertising is one problem.
Also I used to go with Germanwings from Cologne which was always quite cheap but they are not flying Paris anymore.
Thalys is also too expensive if you don't book early
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Someguy on January 20, 2012, 02:04:38 PM
Quotefirst of all, no, i cant..each country has its own offers. northern europe rarely gets good offers. and theres absolutely NO advertisement, nothing, so how can people know more about it.
You may not be aware, but you can book from *any* localized eurodisney page. You are not restricted to nordic offers. If you see a better offer on the uk or international or even french page, then book there. Your country address will be wrong, but that is not a problem, no one checks it and it is not really used for anything.

You can even book foreign offers via phone if that offer is not available for your country. The last time I did this, the disney person gave me a random french address and booked the french offer when I mentioned that I saw that offer and wanted it.

The lack of local official ads might be a problem for the casual visitor, but seeing as you visit this forum, the good offers are always advertised here or on other forums.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: momotaro on January 20, 2012, 06:29:18 PM
thanks someguy..well, this time we got a better offer than the germans or brits (i checked both sites), so we went for it since its only valid till feb 15th. that is, i have, hubby has no idea yet that were going to disneyland in oct..i think i might wait with telling him till the day before the trip. :=)
son is all excited but doesnt speak so much yet, so cant tell dad. :=)

and the luck of cheap airlines is really a problem, as one previous poster said, for example that germanwings dont fly to finland anymore..wizzair or ryanair (which i wouldnt fly out of principle) dont fly to paris. from helsinki.
we have norwegianair which is relatively cheap, we 3 could fly there and back for about 250 euros but they dont fly on sundays plus they arrive late at orly and with a small child thats not really so nice when they are already tired and then need to get up early for a long day the next day.

so i decided ill invest some extra money and fly regular with finnair, they have a bit cheaper prices at the moment because of the travel fair. arrive on a friday at 11am, return at 7pm on the sunday, so we have 2 1/2 days aprox.
thats enough for a 3 year old now..next disneyland will probably be in tokyo, since my japanese friends want to see our son, so were off there and if time allows can visit either disney in tokyo or universal in osaka.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Someguy on January 23, 2012, 11:10:20 AM
Did you get a better offer than the irresistible-below-12-for-free that is advertised on the official pages?
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Mshesha on June 19, 2012, 11:52:52 PM
I am from Munich and we need 8 hours by car there. For Example Europapark just 4 hours. I love Disney but really i also love Europapark. For me Europapark really got some things are better. The hotels are so close to the Park u are ther just in a few minutes inside. I really do not like the long way till the village and then to the park specialy when i am tired and my feet are hurting. And also Hotel Collosseo is my favorite hotel.
For me the rides are much better and the theming is really great.
I love Disney for it´s parades and shows and of course all the characters and the people working there are always very friendly. But EP is very close to that.
And we got much other bigger Parks like Phantasialand and Moviepark, Heide Park, Hansa Park.... Then very close to the south of Germany is Italy. Germans love to go there it is one of our favorite countries. There u have Gardaland. Also very nice one and u too got Waterpark there and in Summer go swimming at the lake.
What i miss in Disney ist Waterrides. Europapark really got 2 great one.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: esmeralda on June 20, 2012, 03:28:55 PM
For me it's about 6hours to go to Dlp by car. Our 1st trip was in 1994 and since then we are coming back every year, sometimes even twice. For me there is no better parc than Disneyland. I've been recently to Phantasialand again, which is very close to our home, but it's just not comparable with Dlp!!! They are trying really hard but that's it. Me and my family had to laugh when we noticed copied things, but Phantasialand is simply  missing the Disney magic!!!
I'm also not so much into pure roller coaster rides or any scary fairground ride, and that's what german parcs mostly offer! I prefer rides like potc and well themed rides that don't make you sick. So, for me german parcs are definitely not an alternative to Dlp!!!
I absolutely miss the tv commercials! But nevertheless you can find promotion in travel agencys.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Patrick89 on June 20, 2012, 06:54:32 PM
If I've seen it right, there wasn't even a German flag at the celebrations for the 20th, wenn the CM came up Main Street with nearly every flag of Europe...And no, Belgium is not Germany.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: esmeralda on June 20, 2012, 07:10:16 PM
No, there was a german flag. But first i thought the same till i found it ;-)
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: dagobert on June 20, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: "esmeralda"No, there was a german flag. But first i thought the same till i found it ;-)

I couldn't see it either. Where did you find it?

Even if it wasn't there, I guess it was a mistake and not on purpose, because even my small county Austria was featured with a flag in the celebrations.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: esmeralda on June 20, 2012, 07:48:01 PM
I can't remember what video i've watched, but you really needed to search or pay attention to it. But i saw it!
Cause i also had the impression they would ignore Germany- because of the missing visitors ;-)
If i find it again I'm gonna post it here.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Thaliel on June 21, 2012, 03:26:15 AM
I actually met one german girl at the recption of Newport Bay Club and another in the Beaurau passeport Annuel. There might be more around during the university semester holidays, which would be the time for job students to go to DLP as well as during July/August when most schools have summer holidays so the young ppl can work abroad without missing anything
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Patrick89 on June 21, 2012, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: "dagobert"Even if it wasn't there, I guess it was a mistake and not on purpose, because even my small county Austria was featured with a flag in the celebrations.

I would never claim that it was on purpose, I thought for myself that they just mistook the Belgian flag for the German one. Wouldn't be the first time at DLP ;)
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Reiana on June 21, 2012, 11:13:50 PM
During our stay at the beginning of this month, we've met a lot of germans.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: esmeralda on August 03, 2012, 11:49:06 AM
We are just back from Dlp and heard A LOT german every day!  Very different to previous years. May be germans are back??
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Riebi on August 09, 2012, 10:09:38 AM
I had the same feeling this time. Much more germans in the parks. Less spainish people. And much more asians.
Maybe sometime DLP will be again an international park with diffrent languages  ;)
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: ed-uk on August 09, 2012, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: "Riebi"I had the same feeling this time. Much more germans in the parks. Less spainish people. And much more asians.
Maybe sometime DLP will be again an international park with diffrent languages  ;)

So why more Germans in the parks now, what has changed ?   DLP has always been an international park attracting people from all over Europe, it is Europes most popular tourist destination,  I've noticed more people from Eastern Europe in the parks.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: isani on August 09, 2012, 10:52:00 AM
Quote from: "Riebi"Maybe sometime DLP will be again an international park with diffrent languages  ;)

I study linguistics. To me, part of the fun of the park is listening to all the guests and trying to identify where they're from. On my last trip, I spotted a Korean couple, a Russian group and two different Finnish families.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Aladar on August 09, 2012, 11:16:46 PM
I'm not surprised at reading that less spanish people are travelling to Disneyland. The Crisis is sooooo big here in Spain that people are having very modest holidays.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Riebi on August 10, 2012, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: "ed-uk"
Quote from: "Riebi"I had the same feeling this time. Much more germans in the parks. Less spainish people. And much more asians.
Maybe sometime DLP will be again an international park with diffrent languages  ;)

So why more Germans in the parks now, what has changed ?   DLP has always been an international park attracting people from all over Europe, it is Europes most popular tourist destination,  I've noticed more people from Eastern Europe in the parks.

Maybe there are now just less visitors from other countries  :lol:
And I read somewhere that the germans didn´t skip any vacation budget. And they love to do their little short trips.
On the other hand DLP has less visitors from UK and Spain. So maybe we have simply to wait how the percents are after this year.
DLP was in the last 5 years more an UK/E/F park. You had a real problem if you couldn´t say a word in english, spanish or french. My hopes are high, that you will have at the end again the DLP of the first 10 years with CMs from everywhere in europe and with a knowing of diffrent languages as italian, dutch, polish,...and yes german.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: ed-uk on August 10, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Is Disney as popular in Germany as it is in Britain and other parts of Europe, do you have a local Disney store I have two in easy reach of me?
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Riebi on August 10, 2012, 12:00:27 PM
Oh Disney is very popular. But Disney is in Munich. And they do here things just around munich and with the munich television companys like Pro 7 / Sat 1 (They even have big Disney Days there with a whole day of Disney and Pixar classics). The other disney city seems to be hamburg for them. Cause there are many "disney families".
For the shop: They closed them in the same time they stopped to have a high quality "Disney Filmparade" or the "Disney Club". Disney in germany means Disney as a movie and television company. Not theme parks and shops. Even if they get much money out of the germans. Cause theme parks and shopping and traveling are things where germans spents a lot of money without any regrets.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: ed-uk on August 10, 2012, 12:14:35 PM
Oh good Disney is popular in Germany because the question was being asked "Where are all the Germans?" in relation to DLP, and I was just wondering if Disney was popular in Germany, if Disney wasn't popular that would help explain why they haven't been going to DLP in the past.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Riebi on August 10, 2012, 01:49:12 PM
Indeed.

But we simply haven´t any big advertising here. You can see campains from Europa Park, from Efteling, from Port Adventura....but not from DLP. They had big campains in the first 10 years but at the moment most germans even don´t know that there are two parks at DLP.  :(
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Aladar on August 11, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
Everyone I know doesn't know that there are two parks in DLP. In fact, they don't even know that WDW has 4 parks and 2 waterparks. And there's more: I know people who have been to DLP and never knew the existence of the Walt Disney Studios Park!!!
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: ed-uk on August 11, 2012, 12:21:18 PM
I can't understand that,  there are people who have been to DLP and can't work out that there are two parks, they must be stupid.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Aladar on August 11, 2012, 12:31:39 PM
A friend of mine who worked at DLP told me about two british families who spent their 4 day holidays together at the resort and they were all the time at Disney Village, they never found any of the two parks!!! when they reached the Disneyland Hotel, they thought it was the castle and the end of the resort, so they turned back and went to the Disney Village again. On their last day they made a complaint acusing Disney of deceptive advertising, because there were no attractions in the park, only shops and restaurants, and that there were no characters. It's a true story!!!
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: ed-uk on August 11, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: "Aladar"A friend of mine who worked at DLP told me about two british families who spent their 4 day holidays together at the resort and they were all the time at Disney Village, they never found any of the two parks!!! when they reached the Disneyland Hotel, they thought it was the castle and the end of the resort, so they turned back and went to the Disney Village again. On their last day they made a complaint acusing Disney of deceptive advertising, because there were no attractions in the park, only shops and restaurants, and that there were no characters. It's a true story!!!

Well if a CM told you a story like that, it's a joke. Two British families go to DLP for 4 days and they can't find the parks only Disney Village, that's silly. I assume this CM friend of yours is now working in a comedy club.
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Aladar on August 11, 2012, 01:06:31 PM
I know, it sounds silly, but my friend says it's totally true!
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: ed-uk on August 11, 2012, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: "Aladar"I know, it sounds silly, but my friend says it's totally true!

This Cm friend of yours, could he find the parks Ok?
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Maarten on August 11, 2012, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: "ed-uk"
Quote from: "Aladar"I know, it sounds silly, but my friend says it's totally true!

This Cm friend of yours, could he find the parks Ok?

It sounds very stupid haha. Though there have been quite a few stories about people visiting the Studios and wondering where the castle and Space Mountain were. I also read somewhere that in the early days of Hong Kong Disneyland some Chinese guests apparently walked up and down Main Street and left the park again under the impression they had seen it all. I'm not sure if there's any truth in that though. :)
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: Aladar on August 12, 2012, 11:43:21 PM
I'm sure it is true!! There's a lot of stupid people in this world!!
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: mattboywonder on August 15, 2012, 08:43:07 PM
Quote from: "Aladar"I'm sure it is true!! There's a lot of stupid people in this world!!

I heard about a guest at Universal Islands of Adventure asking a Team Member outside the Jurassic Park Adventure "Is this the ride with Ellen?"  and the Team Member said yes!!  They obviously meant the Universe of Energy at Epcot - that was naughty ;)
Title: Re: Where are all the Germans??
Post by: dagobert on October 11, 2012, 01:09:38 PM
I had the opportunity to chat with someone who has ties to TWDC about the lack of advertising of DLRP in Germany.

Here are some quotes:

QuoteWe've always been told that Germans do not vacation in France hence why they only account for 2% of tourists at the resort - that less than half the number from Italy and less than a fifth the number from Spain. The decision was always not to throw marketing money into Germany/Austria/Switzerland as it would not be effective.

QuoteDepends on your definition of many. In 2011 just 312k Germans visited DLP - that is just 0.4% of the total population. The comparable figures for Spain are 1.4m Spaniards representing 3% of the total population. The comparable figures for Italy are 624k Italians representing 1% of the total population.

There is absolutely no point in wasting marketing budget of the Germanic countries - they just aren't interested in DLP - they prefer beach holidays and domestic theme parks - that is what the research has shown. It has been that way since the park first opened.

QuoteI think we all expected more from unification - sadly East Germany is still lagging a long way behind its Western counterpart in just about every socio-economic metric. Successive governments have failed to create jobs in the east. A country with a population of 81m (the most populous in Europe) with major cities like Frankfurt and Stuttgart being only half a days drive away should be sending more folks to DLP.

The failure of Germany to embrace DLP will forever be a headscratcher to me - but I don't see it ever changing.

QuoteParis gets c.28m tourists annually - and Americans and the British are the two largest constituents - c. 4.9m of each. Very few Americans are converted into DLP visitors (c. 200k) whereas 2m Brits visit DLP (and that is down massively over the last few years). It is easy to assume that Americans skip DLP due to the presence of DLP in their home country (and a significant number of the American visitors to DLP are actually European-based servicemen and their families).

Compare that to Germans - c.2m visit Paris annually - so only 15% of that number visit DLP. A similar number of Italians visit Paris but DLP gets 33% of that number.

QuoteDisney has been popular in Germany ever since the park opened - it hasn't changed. It just isn't as popular as in Spain or Italy.

<<Now an Austrian hotel chain is operating two hotels at DLRP that are aimed towards Germans with special deals.>>

Both of Vienna International's hotels have less than 400 rooms each - that is compared to 5,800 rooms owned by Disney. Magic Circus and Dream Castle only need to fill an inventory of 290k rooms annually - that isn't a lot compared to the 2.1m room nights that DLP needs to fill annually.

The 5 resorts and Davy Crockett Ranch will always be what sunk DLP - the cost of construction combined with the operating costs will always be the noose around their necks.

QuoteOn the real problems with leisure and tourism advertising is that it usually takes a long time to take seed (if you think that a lot of folks plan vacations a year out - even short breaks) and it can cost a lot to maintain a visual presence in the market.

I get your point and don't necessarily disagree but DLP needs to focus their limited resources in markets where they can easy convert marketing spend into visitors - that has historically been the UK, Spain, Benelux and Italy. If the economy was better and DLP gave marketing a larger budget then I'm sure they would go after Germany, Switzerland and Austria - and probably even further east too.

Quote<<I'm far from being an expert on tourism, but I now it relies heavily on the economy and unfortunately it is on a very bad level in Spain, while it is stable here in Germany, Austria and Switzerland.>>

But Spain has been a basketcase for years - unemployment up above 20% has been the new norm for that country - and they still send more guests to DLP than Germany.