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[DutchBrit]

I think that just reinforces the argument that you need to play to adults as much as children. Children will believe anything, they're happy with the simplest of things. Adults are tougher to please, but ultimately they're the ones who open their wallets for a trip to Disneyland. There's a certain amount of "ok, I'll pay if it makes the kids happy", but ultimately adults will only return to Disneyland and truly enjoy it (read: open their wallets wider) if they experience that sense of wonder just as much themselves.

Oh, parents will put up with a lot for the sake of their children. I agree that it will help enormously if the parents enjoy Disney, but I think they should be expecting to enjoy things partly with their inner child and partly vicariously through their kids. If people go and really love it, then I think it's great. What is less great is people going repeatedly, yet apparently hating what seem to be absolutely unavoidable elements such as the characters and child-friendly activities. As I have said before, it's like people going to Legoland who hate lego bricks!

But as you say, lets hope that everyone loves the new shows etc and won't go into terrible sulks just because they include the princesses or whatever.

[Josh]

Well yeah, it's ridiculous to be completely against everything child-focused, but these things should only appear where and when they make sense.

For example, I don't know whether anyone has complained about the Ratatouille Kitchen Calamity, but I haven't got a problem with it, as it's not specifically targeted towards children. It's in the Toon Studio (which is set in Toon Town), so it makes sense in the wider story. If people hate toons that much, they can stay away from the area. Plus, whether you'll enjoy the ride has more to do with whether you're scared of rats than how old you are.

However, the the new Princess Pavilion is obviously targeted at children and the niche adult audience that like the characters. Plus, it's in Fantasyland, where people expect these kinds of attractions. It's the same with Dumbo, Casey Jr., Snow White, etc. But all of these attractions can be equally enjoyed by parents, who will appreciate them for different reasons (such as the attention to detail, and nostalgia).

If rides such as these were everywhere, though, there would be a problem. Without the likes of Big Thunder Mountain and Autopia, How can Disney Parks appeal to adults (even if it's just parents returning on their own)?

[DutchBrit]

Without the likes of Big Thunder Mountain and Autopia, How can Disney Parks adults appeal to adults (even if it's just parents returning on their own)?

Is Autopia such a big adult draw? I thought it was rather dull, but my (then) 4 year old loved it, so I put up with it.

The thing is, if I was a parent of older children, or an adult going with other adults, I'm not sure that I would choose to go to Disneyland Paris at all, apart from the odd day. Given the costs involved for longer stays, you might as well go to the US and in WDW particularly, where there is more than enough to entertain the adults.

However most people don't much fancy the idea of a 8 hour flight with children under 8, so that's when you look a bit closer to home. Disney is a global business after all: I think they can afford to specialise a bit. So you market DLP as the (young) family destination for Europeans, give them a good time and then wave them off to to US when they need more than a 1.5 parks to keep them happy...

But perhaps this is a different topic for a different thread: maybe we should let this one get back to the 20th Anniversary!

[DisneyManiac]

Hi guys! Not sure if anyone posted this, but Central Plaza looks great without the stage, just like it used to be.


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[DisneyManiac]

Also guys, I noticed we are going a bit off subject... I know you like a chat, but can we keep on track. Thanks!

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[gingajen]

Without the likes of Big Thunder Mountain and Autopia, How can Disney Parks adults appeal to adults (even if it's just parents returning on their own)?

Is Autopia such a big adult draw? I thought it was rather dull, but my (then) 4 year old loved it, so I put up with it.

The thing is, if I was a parent of older children, or an adult going with other adults, I'm not sure that I would choose to go to Disneyland Paris at all, apart from the odd day. Given the costs involved for longer stays, you might as well go to the US and in WDW particularly, where there is more than enough to entertain the adults.

However most people don't much fancy the idea of a 8 hour flight with children under 8, so that's when you look a bit closer to home. Disney is a global business after all: I think they can afford to specialise a bit. So you market DLP as the (young) family destination for Europeans, give them a good time and then wave them off to to US when they need more than a 1.5 parks to keep them happy...

But perhaps this is a different topic for a different thread: maybe we should let this one get back to the 20th Anniversary!

It is the one place that you can forget about being a grown up with a mortgage, bills to pay etc. I can't think of many adults that wouldn't love to be able to escape it all for a couple of days and just go back to being as carefree as a child and absorb the wonder of it all.
 I love it as a family because I can see the magic of it all through my childrens eyes, and they can see that it's easy as an adult to forget about being all serious for a couple of days. My daughter often gets upset at the thought of growing up for some reason.
 I think that was what Walt wanted, a place where children and adults are on a par with each other, neither is more important or influential than the other.
I know many people who go and haven't got kids. I will still be going when my children are all grown up. Having said that, I think most teenagers would suddenly lose the desire to be 'cool' when they walk through the gates to DLRP, and fully embrace their inner child and wear their Mickey ears with pride.
Everyone becomes more childlike there, so maybe they aren't gearing celebrations toward children, but to all of our 'inner children'.

[Adam]

It looks like the Peter Andre filming was for Channel 5. They have just aired an advert and have got a website for it.

They are running a competition to win two prizes of a holiday at DLP from 11th to 13th April:

    Return travel on Eurostar
    Accommodation in a Disney Hotel, including breakfast
    Meal vouchers
    Park tickets
    1 x Character breakfast
    1 x VIP Fastpass
    Meet & Greet with Peter Andre
    VIP viewing of the Disney Dreams show
    AND feature in a special Disneyland Paris TV ad

To enter, you have to send in a written, video or audio happy birthday to DLP!

Details @ http://www.channel5.com/shows/disneyland-paris

[15MagicalYears]

You can watch the TV Spot here currently airing on Channel 5, here - http://www.channel5.com/shows/disneylan ... he-tv-spot

[lubynoo]

Where did the massive 20 come from? On the castle? Is it video cleverness or is it really there? It isn't there now

[Glstitch]

Where did the massive 20 come from? On the castle? Is it video cleverness or is it really there? It isn't there now

I can't see the video from my county but when the shots have been taken there was a 20th logo projected on the Castle behind Peter Andre.

[Josh]

It wasn't. They overlayed the image in post-production.

[15MagicalYears]

It wasn't. They overlayed the image in post-production.

No, it really was projected on the castle - as seen in these pictures taken during filiming from RadioDisneyClub.fr

[lubynoo]

Oooooh, that's clever, it looks really 3d in the video. I wonder if they will project it as part of dreams or at all during the season, or if it was just for press.

[Josh]

Wow! It honestly looked like it had just been overlayed. Those projections for Disney Dreams are really clear!

[Glstitch]

I don't believe that's projected those are the castle LED's...